I don't think it foreshadows Dany's turn but the destructive nature of dragons. George has said dragons are the equivalent of nukes in this world, and this was just a taste. In just a few moments, a young dragon killed over 200 hundred people, now imagine what they will do when they take commands in battle. The shock in the show wasn't "dragons kill" but the fact that Dany made a decision to kill innocents, which she doesn't do here. I think her last chapter, when embraces her words is more of a foreshadowing of a dark path than this chapter.
Dany is aware of how dangerous her dragons are to innocents, but she still considers them to be her children and protects them. And she feels no remorse after Drogon kills all those innocent people
@@MiraArrr what???? She locked them up after drogon probably killed one girl, and is constantly thinking how they are monsters and so is she. "What horror have I unleashed upon the world?" She's TOO aware I'd say.
You can say that when Daenerys decides to face Drogon, it was precisely because of the fear of the dragon simply destroying the city that she had been working so hard to keep safe. I fail to see how at the end of the TV series she just burns an entire city down out of "rage".
11:30 I took that line as her saying that if she fell to her death at that moment, getting the chance to ride a flying dragon would still have been worth it despite dying after. Not the slaughter at the pit.
Always felt Dani missed a trick when re-opening the Pits, I thought she'd insist that if it is such an important religious tradition then Hizdar should fight the first fight hence he'd most likely and she'd be free to marry again.
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I think they didn't portray it like it happened in the books because they NEVER meant to get into dragon lore. If they had shown Dany using a whip to tame her wild beast of a dragon, then the easy peasy excuse that dragons and their riders just have a wonderful bond would be shattered. They would have to explain more, and explanations take way too much time and effort. They would have had to play the whole thing out properly after as well when Drogon settled on "Dragonstone." I wish they would have. It would have made more sense to show that Drogon probably loves his mother as much as any flying nuke does, but has become wild enough to not want to listen to her fully. Or they could have highlighted that Dany said herself that she didn't really want to go back to her city so why would Drogon want to go? I guess they also didn't want to show Emilia Clark shitting herself to death and they kind of wanted to forget about the witches words about her not having children. Fuck this show man. It's so hard to watch when I know where it's headed. Like a Rollercoaster straight into hell.
They straight up ignored the dragon lore from the book! Jon rode Rhaegal that would have made them bonded, but he just went for a joyride! They could have added actual tension in the show by having Jon and Rhaegal bond and Dany losing one of her children to someone who also has a stronger claim to the throne then hers! Imagine Dany calling to Rhaegal and him ignoring her and staying with Jon, that would have been way more devastating than Rhaegal getting sniped because Dany forgot about the enemy forces and couldn’t see a fleet of ships from dragon back.
She will turn darker but for her own good and good for the slaves she will free. Jon will turn dark too. Dany won't be the villain except for the slavers and some lords in westeros.
@@balqeesbaloch5213 doesnt make that inturpataion any less wrong and disengenuous there's nothing villainous about dany especially in this event it was an accident not like she called drogon there to do what he did .
7:20 she grabbed a whip and beat Drogon into submission. I know in one sense dragons are animals, but they’re analogous to the direwolves, and they’re supposed to be as intelligent as humans. Idk if this is supposed to be a signal
Daenerys once said a dragon is not a slave. Kill the masters. Kill those who wear a tokar. Kill those who hold a whip but harm no child under 12. She wore a tokar. She takes 1/10th of the profit of those who sell themselves into slavery. She holds a whip. She chained her own children. She became the very thing she swore to destroy
A darker path does not necessarily mean evil...... I feel like the whole Mereen storyline is to show how pointless it is to make peace with slavers... Even during this chapter we see a few freed slaves and it's basically the same as when they weren't freed.. Fire and Blood is coming to Essos once Dany comes back to Mereen... Fire and blood across Essos, Yunkhai, volantis and Pentos, Qarth as well.. No more negotiations the dragons are freed the gloves are off.. It's war
I mean indiscriminately executing members from every family in Meereen is a very good way to turn everyone immediately against you and your rule. Taking hostages on top of it makes it even worse and considering the people she sentenced to death didn't even get a trial nor justice they likely figured their hostages were as good as dead anyway and they might as well plan to avenge them. Dany had already fucked up as queen before she even began imo.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 those are slave masters not normal nobles the slaves will not be upset by that ,people take hostages all the time it's a vary basic tactic to keep people in line , those people were guilty there was no need to be a trail why are there so many slave apologists in this fandom?
@@thatoneblackdude3333 No, they weren't all guilty. Dany specifically had them executed indiscriminiately regardless of involvement. When she could've easily found out the guilty parties and yet...she didn't bother. She later reflects back on this with doubt when familymembers/slaves come forward saying their executed kin/masters were in fact good people and innocent of the crimes they were charged with. I'm aware it's a basic and effective tactic; but not when you've already established you're essentially going to murder people on a whim regardless if they did something or not. She did it the first time over the crucifying of those kids and did it again when Selmy was killed. That just shows those hostages will be murdered on a whim at some point regardless of what their family does or doesn't do. I'm hardly a slave apologist and merely pointing out Dany's poorly thought out and aribitrary actions are a big reason of why her rule in Slaver's Bay flopped.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 that only happened in the show in the books dany spacificly targets those involved so no it wasn't indiscriminate , once again show only in the books there was no such thing except for hizdar who is a unreliable narrator. Once again your using show only events in a video about the books this never happened dany doesn't kill anyone on a whim and does nothing to suggest she'd harm hostages in fact she outright refuses to do so when she is suggested to by her advisers , the slavers aren't retaliating because danys some violent tyrant there retaliating because they don't want to let go of there evil practice and want to maintain control , danys mistakes are a factor in her rule of Marren but it is not because she's incompetent or a bad ruler it is because she's being lenient and compromising with people who don't want compromise.
I had to think about it to be fair. I almost said Tywin. He had a lot of people terrified. Euron is also a good choice. He will most likely be the subject of a dark theory video one day
I love your videos my dude!! But I don’t think I’m fully with you on this one. You’re right about Drogon killing indiscriminately, but Dany doesn’t just shrug it off, but almost leans into it. Her last chapter of TWOW is a turning point. The whole idea of “dragons don’t plant trees” kind of shows where her headspace is at. I don’t think Daenerys is denying her feeling of guilt, but rather realizing that she needs to wield her dragons and actually take responsibility for them. Also the woman in the green tokar seems to symbolize the green grace. And while it’s said that she was shielding a child, and people on fire were running around her, it never explicitly says that said woman and child die. We also have to keep in mind that there was absolutely an assassination attempt on Daenerys at the pit. Those locusts were poisoned. And given the fact that the Direwolves/Dragons seems to have a pseudo magical ability to know when their soul bonds are in danger, that’s why Drogon could have come in with full force. We also know that at least TWO enemy sell sword companies were in attendance, and I think that’s where the show comes in-there was no guarantee that the locusts were going to kill Dany, not to mention if anyone else ate them Daenerys would be on guard and who knows who she would have taken it out on (Hizdahr told her to eat them after all). So this was their ONLY shot to catch her unawares. You can absolutely be sure that if they had one plan, there was another plan going on just as well. Especially since the two main pit fighters that were going to be the “finishing act” were also now the ones being bodyguards to Hizdahr.
Yes, her final chapter shows us that the peace Daenerys has tried to establish is no longer an option. Now she will no longer relent or be as compromising as she was before. As Martin has said, she will embrace her Targaryen heritage and there will be fire and blood to follow. If the disaster at Daznak's is any indication, a lot more innocent people are going to die as she embarks on her crusade. Because it is always the innocents that suffer the most when the high lords go to war.
Those same people were just minutes before complaining that they failed to see a dwarf going to his death with only a wooden sword against a lion. How quicly the waves turned. Didn’t they wish for a show? Not so funny when you are the one dying screaming with no way to defend yourself, is it…
I think “turn” implies a change of direction but in reality it’s just letting out the leashes of one dragon for its very correct instinct that was perilous fucking whupping coming back around…it’s still all there
Good video! Also, I am subscribed and it’s still not sending me any notifications, had to manually type your name in to see if you had posted anything 😮
I often feel as if Drogon isn't Dany's bonded dragon. He never seems to really listen to her. Sure, she flew him but that's mostly it, where he takes her was his own decision. I wonder if Dany really just wanted Drogon to be her dragon because he's the biggest or named after her late husband but I just feel like the only reason Drogon let her ride him is because she's his "mother." But this is just a theory lol.
Daenerys just needs more time with him. He is her dragon now that she has ridden him. She's just incredibly inexperienced and even bonded dragons can be disobey and be fickle. I do wish we had a moment where Dany wonders which dragon she would ride. She does know she can only ride one but she never considers "Hmm, the green, the white, or the black? A mother cant have a favorite." (In my head, she's most impressed by Drogon, Rhaegal is a headache, and Viserion is mama's baby but that's just my goofy thoughts)
@@KevinPendragon haha yeah, I guess you're right and since dragons can't ever truly be controlled, they do often go against their riders. Hopefully now that she has ridden him, he may stop throwing teenage temper tantrums and give his poor mum a break lol.
My understanding is that melees are not to the death (but do sometimes result in deaths) and that the fighting pits are. Also, and this is the really important one: people join melees willingly. Most fighters in the pits don't.
season 5 was the start of the butchering from start to end they should have made AFFC&ADWD in 2-3 seasons and end the series right there in a cinematic, open-end way, do the prequels, and come back to asoiaf once last 2 books were finished or almost
She already thought that she knows what’s good over other people? Really does sound like the GOT ending could happen if she’s pushed enough. I could definitely see her gaining a god complex with 3 dragons at her command.
Love the "Fascinating Horror" take in this video :)
I don't think it foreshadows Dany's turn but the destructive nature of dragons. George has said dragons are the equivalent of nukes in this world, and this was just a taste. In just a few moments, a young dragon killed over 200 hundred people, now imagine what they will do when they take commands in battle. The shock in the show wasn't "dragons kill" but the fact that Dany made a decision to kill innocents, which she doesn't do here. I think her last chapter, when embraces her words is more of a foreshadowing of a dark path than this chapter.
The Daenerys portion of this video _is_ from her last chapter in Dance.
Dany is aware of how dangerous her dragons are to innocents, but she still considers them to be her children and protects them. And she feels no remorse after Drogon kills all those innocent people
@@MiraArrr what???? She locked them up after drogon probably killed one girl, and is constantly thinking how they are monsters and so is she.
"What horror have I unleashed upon the world?" She's TOO aware I'd say.
@@MiraArrrit’s like u read her chapters with your eyes closed…
Nailed it! The scene could have foreshadowed Danys turn.
Even autocorrect is against Danerys now
It would have been the perfect set up for season 8
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You can say that when Daenerys decides to face Drogon, it was precisely because of the fear of the dragon simply destroying the city that she had been working so hard to keep safe.
I fail to see how at the end of the TV series she just burns an entire city down out of "rage".
11:30 I took that line as her saying that if she fell to her death at that moment, getting the chance to ride a flying dragon would still have been worth it despite dying after. Not the slaughter at the pit.
Always felt Dani missed a trick when re-opening the Pits, I thought she'd insist that if it is such an important religious tradition then Hizdar should fight the first fight hence he'd most likely and she'd be free to marry again.
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I think they didn't portray it like it happened in the books because they NEVER meant to get into dragon lore. If they had shown Dany using a whip to tame her wild beast of a dragon, then the easy peasy excuse that dragons and their riders just have a wonderful bond would be shattered. They would have to explain more, and explanations take way too much time and effort.
They would have had to play the whole thing out properly after as well when Drogon settled on "Dragonstone." I wish they would have. It would have made more sense to show that Drogon probably loves his mother as much as any flying nuke does, but has become wild enough to not want to listen to her fully. Or they could have highlighted that Dany said herself that she didn't really want to go back to her city so why would Drogon want to go? I guess they also didn't want to show Emilia Clark shitting herself to death and they kind of wanted to forget about the witches words about her not having children.
Fuck this show man. It's so hard to watch when I know where it's headed. Like a Rollercoaster straight into hell.
They straight up ignored the dragon lore from the book! Jon rode Rhaegal that would have made them bonded, but he just went for a joyride! They could have added actual tension in the show by having Jon and Rhaegal bond and Dany losing one of her children to someone who also has a stronger claim to the throne then hers! Imagine Dany calling to Rhaegal and him ignoring her and staying with Jon, that would have been way more devastating than Rhaegal getting sniped because Dany forgot about the enemy forces and couldn’t see a fleet of ships from dragon back.
They left a lot out of the dragon lore. They were just Dany's pets
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It's a little less silly and more spooky on this side 😈
She will turn darker but for her own good and good for the slaves she will free. Jon will turn dark too. Dany won't be the villain except for the slavers and some lords in westeros.
If only more people like you existed in this fandom it would be significantly more bearable.
@@balqeesbaloch5213 doesnt make that inturpataion any less wrong and disengenuous there's nothing villainous about dany especially in this event it was an accident not like she called drogon there to do what he did .
7:20 she grabbed a whip and beat Drogon into submission. I know in one sense dragons are animals, but they’re analogous to the direwolves, and they’re supposed to be as intelligent as humans. Idk if this is supposed to be a signal
Daenerys once said a dragon is not a slave. Kill the masters. Kill those who wear a tokar. Kill those who hold a whip but harm no child under 12.
She wore a tokar. She takes 1/10th of the profit of those who sell themselves into slavery. She holds a whip. She chained her own children. She became the very thing she swore to destroy
A darker path does not necessarily mean evil......
I feel like the whole Mereen storyline is to show how pointless it is to make peace with slavers... Even during this chapter we see a few freed slaves and it's basically the same as when they weren't freed..
Fire and Blood is coming to Essos once Dany comes back to Mereen... Fire and blood across Essos, Yunkhai, volantis and Pentos, Qarth as well.. No more negotiations the dragons are freed the gloves are off.. It's war
I mean indiscriminately executing members from every family in Meereen is a very good way to turn everyone immediately against you and your rule. Taking hostages on top of it makes it even worse and considering the people she sentenced to death didn't even get a trial nor justice they likely figured their hostages were as good as dead anyway and they might as well plan to avenge them. Dany had already fucked up as queen before she even began imo.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 those are slave masters not normal nobles the slaves will not be upset by that ,people take hostages all the time it's a vary basic tactic to keep people in line , those people were guilty there was no need to be a trail why are there so many slave apologists in this fandom?
@@thatoneblackdude3333 No, they weren't all guilty. Dany specifically had them executed indiscriminiately regardless of involvement. When she could've easily found out the guilty parties and yet...she didn't bother. She later reflects back on this with doubt when familymembers/slaves come forward saying their executed kin/masters were in fact good people and innocent of the crimes they were charged with.
I'm aware it's a basic and effective tactic; but not when you've already established you're essentially going to murder people on a whim regardless if they did something or not. She did it the first time over the crucifying of those kids and did it again when Selmy was killed. That just shows those hostages will be murdered on a whim at some point regardless of what their family does or doesn't do. I'm hardly a slave apologist and merely pointing out Dany's poorly thought out and aribitrary actions are a big reason of why her rule in Slaver's Bay flopped.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 that only happened in the show in the books dany spacificly targets those involved so no it wasn't indiscriminate , once again show only in the books there was no such thing except for hizdar who is a unreliable narrator.
Once again your using show only events in a video about the books this never happened dany doesn't kill anyone on a whim and does nothing to suggest she'd harm hostages in fact she outright refuses to do so when she is suggested to by her advisers , the slavers aren't retaliating because danys some violent tyrant there retaliating because they don't want to let go of there evil practice and want to maintain control , danys mistakes are a factor in her rule of Marren but it is not because she's incompetent or a bad ruler it is because she's being lenient and compromising with people who don't want compromise.
@@SimplymeSVEN18 your not a slave apologist yet criticises dany for how she treats slave masters .
Nice remaster, better audio for sure. Unrelated, but which of the major antagonists in the series is your favorite?
Thank you! and Lord Varys 🕷
Should have taken your three part series as a hint, but not my sharpest moment, I guess. Mine's Euron btw
I had to think about it to be fair. I almost said Tywin. He had a lot of people terrified. Euron is also a good choice. He will most likely be the subject of a dark theory video one day
I love the music you chose...disaster!
I love your videos my dude!! But I don’t think I’m fully with you on this one.
You’re right about Drogon killing indiscriminately, but Dany doesn’t just shrug it off, but almost leans into it. Her last chapter of TWOW is a turning point. The whole idea of “dragons don’t plant trees” kind of shows where her headspace is at. I don’t think Daenerys is denying her feeling of guilt, but rather realizing that she needs to wield her dragons and actually take responsibility for them.
Also the woman in the green tokar seems to symbolize the green grace. And while it’s said that she was shielding a child, and people on fire were running around her, it never explicitly says that said woman and child die.
We also have to keep in mind that there was absolutely an assassination attempt on Daenerys at the pit. Those locusts were poisoned. And given the fact that the Direwolves/Dragons seems to have a pseudo magical ability to know when their soul bonds are in danger, that’s why Drogon could have come in with full force. We also know that at least TWO enemy sell sword companies were in attendance, and I think that’s where the show comes in-there was no guarantee that the locusts were going to kill Dany, not to mention if anyone else ate them Daenerys would be on guard and who knows who she would have taken it out on (Hizdahr told her to eat them after all). So this was their ONLY shot to catch her unawares. You can absolutely be sure that if they had one plan, there was another plan going on just as well. Especially since the two main pit fighters that were going to be the “finishing act” were also now the ones being bodyguards to Hizdahr.
Yes, her final chapter shows us that the peace Daenerys has tried to establish is no longer an option. Now she will no longer relent or be as compromising as she was before. As Martin has said, she will embrace her Targaryen heritage and there will be fire and blood to follow. If the disaster at Daznak's is any indication, a lot more innocent people are going to die as she embarks on her crusade. Because it is always the innocents that suffer the most when the high lords go to war.
Those same people were just minutes before complaining that they failed to see a dwarf going to his death with only a wooden sword against a lion. How quicly the waves turned. Didn’t they wish for a show? Not so funny when you are the one dying screaming with no way to defend yourself, is it…
They came for a show and they got one for sure
I think “turn” implies a change of direction but in reality it’s just letting out the leashes of one dragon for its very correct instinct that was perilous fucking whupping coming back around…it’s still all there
Good video! Also, I am subscribed and it’s still not sending me any notifications, had to manually type your name in to see if you had posted anything 😮
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I often feel as if Drogon isn't Dany's bonded dragon. He never seems to really listen to her. Sure, she flew him but that's mostly it, where he takes her was his own decision. I wonder if Dany really just wanted Drogon to be her dragon because he's the biggest or named after her late husband but I just feel like the only reason Drogon let her ride him is because she's his "mother." But this is just a theory lol.
Daenerys just needs more time with him. He is her dragon now that she has ridden him. She's just incredibly inexperienced and even bonded dragons can be disobey and be fickle. I do wish we had a moment where Dany wonders which dragon she would ride. She does know she can only ride one but she never considers "Hmm, the green, the white, or the black? A mother cant have a favorite." (In my head, she's most impressed by Drogon, Rhaegal is a headache, and Viserion is mama's baby but that's just my goofy thoughts)
@@KevinPendragon haha yeah, I guess you're right and since dragons can't ever truly be controlled, they do often go against their riders. Hopefully now that she has ridden him, he may stop throwing teenage temper tantrums and give his poor mum a break lol.
Great video but a little harsh on dany 😭😂😂😂
Thank you! And the Mother of Dragons could use some harsh criticism when her son kills a bunch of people
Are the fighting pits THAT much different than melee's in westeros? Lol
My understanding is that melees are not to the death (but do sometimes result in deaths) and that the fighting pits are. Also, and this is the really important one: people join melees willingly. Most fighters in the pits don't.
Book version: A wild animal behaves as a wild animal does.
Show version: #girlboss!
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Early gang
season 5 was the start of the butchering from start to end
they should have made AFFC&ADWD in 2-3 seasons and end the series right there in a cinematic, open-end way, do the prequels, and come back to asoiaf once last 2 books were finished or almost
They would have benefited from having knowledgeable book readers advise them. Not diehard superfans but people that know the material well
Fascinating-and horrible!
Indeed 🤭
She already thought that she knows what’s good over other people? Really does sound like the GOT ending could happen if she’s pushed enough. I could definitely see her gaining a god complex with 3 dragons at her command.
"Up here in her garden Dany sometimes felt like a god, living atop the highest mountain in the world." - A Storm of Swords - Daenerys VI
I swear you sound like the story really happened.
Thank you. That was the intent
thank you for thıs classy video mate
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