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Beneath The Veil
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Welcome to Beneath The Veil!
Our aim is to reduce the barrier to entry for new and returning players of DOTA 2. While the in-game tutorial has been a massive improvement to the overall quality of the player base; as the years have gone on and heroes have been released and updated, our dear developers haven't always been that clear about what has actually changed and what each skill or item can do when utilised to the fullest. That's where we come in! Here you'll find comprehensive mechanical tutorials that aim to not focus too much on the numbers and instead give you a holistic view of each item or ability we're highlighting. Understanding their inherent playstyle strengths, weaknesses and mechanical combos that aren't immediately obvious from their skill descriptions. We want you walking away from our videos with a nuanced understanding of each facet of the game so you can play your game, your way. We hope you love our channel! Consider subscribing?
Our aim is to reduce the barrier to entry for new and returning players of DOTA 2. While the in-game tutorial has been a massive improvement to the overall quality of the player base; as the years have gone on and heroes have been released and updated, our dear developers haven't always been that clear about what has actually changed and what each skill or item can do when utilised to the fullest. That's where we come in! Here you'll find comprehensive mechanical tutorials that aim to not focus too much on the numbers and instead give you a holistic view of each item or ability we're highlighting. Understanding their inherent playstyle strengths, weaknesses and mechanical combos that aren't immediately obvious from their skill descriptions. We want you walking away from our videos with a nuanced understanding of each facet of the game so you can play your game, your way. We hope you love our channel! Consider subscribing?
How Spirit Vessel Actually Works
What's going on gamers!
Carrying on with our item breakdowns; this time we're going over a vastly misunderstood and underutilised item in lower MMR: Urn of Shadows and Spirit Vessel.
Sit back, relax and enjoy as Phil takes you through how both items work, who they work well with, who they work against and what other items they pair up well with. Good luck and Happy Gaming!
As always, shout out to @zzadrianzz who popularised this style of DOTA 2 content.
You can find our full playlist of DOTA videos from various creators that explain how items and mechanics of DOTA actually work from creators like Adrian as well as @ZQuixotix @PainDota and @BalloonDota th-cam.com/play/PLH44R6CnLKaIa3FGcQwuifUw6AheM0AKG.html&si=QEQz83gfBjndMiD3
00:00 - Intro
01:18 - Urn of Shadows Breakdown
02:34 - Spirit Vessel Breakdown
03:49 - Who Should Carry Spirit Vessel?
04:49 - Who To Buy Vessel Against?
05:34 - High Healing Heroes
06:52 - High Lifesteal Heroes
08:21 - High Spell Lifesteal Heroes
10:00 - Itemisation Order
10:54 - Use Charges for Fighting or Healing?
13:05 - Buffing Soul Release's Damage
14:34 - Stacking Healing Reduction
18:41 - Heroes Who Give Reductions As Part Of Their Skills
Carrying on with our item breakdowns; this time we're going over a vastly misunderstood and underutilised item in lower MMR: Urn of Shadows and Spirit Vessel.
Sit back, relax and enjoy as Phil takes you through how both items work, who they work well with, who they work against and what other items they pair up well with. Good luck and Happy Gaming!
As always, shout out to @zzadrianzz who popularised this style of DOTA 2 content.
You can find our full playlist of DOTA videos from various creators that explain how items and mechanics of DOTA actually work from creators like Adrian as well as @ZQuixotix @PainDota and @BalloonDota th-cam.com/play/PLH44R6CnLKaIa3FGcQwuifUw6AheM0AKG.html&si=QEQz83gfBjndMiD3
00:00 - Intro
01:18 - Urn of Shadows Breakdown
02:34 - Spirit Vessel Breakdown
03:49 - Who Should Carry Spirit Vessel?
04:49 - Who To Buy Vessel Against?
05:34 - High Healing Heroes
06:52 - High Lifesteal Heroes
08:21 - High Spell Lifesteal Heroes
10:00 - Itemisation Order
10:54 - Use Charges for Fighting or Healing?
13:05 - Buffing Soul Release's Damage
14:34 - Stacking Healing Reduction
18:41 - Heroes Who Give Reductions As Part Of Their Skills
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In simple way, nullifier is "support killer" item
Great work! Keep them coming! Make a playlist also if u can :P
Thanks! Look in the description for the playlist :)
but if i go stick first, how can i get 3 wraith bands asap?
It's almost like you shouldn't D:
TLDR: Nullifier good
Not guna lie i never buy this cause i dont really bothered with it
Most people don't buy it simply because they don't understand it. It's not good in every game, but hopefully you understand now when it's really good to get :)
2:03 but there is
Please name one. The only effects that require a Strong Dispel to remove are Stuns and Hexes. The only Hex that is considered a buff is the Pig Out! Active if Pig Pole, which isn't a main item. There are no stuns which are considered buffs
@@beneaththeveil omniknight's repel, cannot be dispelled with basic dispel but can with strong
@@DivineDemonLord You're misled. Repel is dispelled by basic dispels which pierce debuff immunity. Such as Shadow Demon's Demonic Purge, Doom and Winter's Curse. There are no Strong Dispel abilities which can be cast on a enemy
@@beneaththeveil oh ye u right
@@DivineDemonLord it's ok. Game is hard. Lots of weird interactions
What can Nec do to counter Nullifier? Thanks!!!
Great question! His only real options unfortunately are BKB to temporarily suppress the constantly applied dispels, or get a Linken's Sphere if the enemy don't have a single target spell or item which can easily remove the spell block. Otherwise, it's kind of a case of you need to end the game before the Nullifier comes online. Typically, most core heroes don't want to get a Nullifier until at least their third major item (not including boots) so Necro has a decent time to run the map before a Nullifier might come out - but you always have to check enemy itemisation in case they might be greedy and rush a quick Nullifier (extremely rare, but it can happen) which a BKB pickup would counteract.
@@beneaththeveil Thanks! I have many Nec games where I was dominating until Null comes in
Love your vids man keep it up!!
Glad you like them!
damn bro i didnt even know nullifer gives a +75 dmg boost. Goes to show how much I use the item lmao
Would advise. Still omega OP. The 75 damage boost puts it in the top 5 items for pure damage increases. Same with the Armor gain. It's really solid
"Due to every player starting with 600 gold." Alchemist Facet 1: "Are you sure about that?"
To be fair: this was released before 7.36 lol
Nice vid, we should play sometime :)
Thank you!
New players are welcome Just don't be on my team
Some of the worst players we've struck have been the ones with upwards of 5,000 games. At least the new players are mouldable
This item is shadow demon ultimate basicly, cmiiw
Essentially, yes! Though it doesn't pierce debuff immunity like Demonic Purge does
@@beneaththeveil wow thank you for replying! I saw people who said its too hard, too long to learn about nullifer. But it mostly explaining about dispel and disjoint. Iirc it old mechanic, and i think everyone already knew it 😅
@@magia136 no need to thank us, engaging with the community is the best part of all this :) Yeah it's been around for ages but it's constantly misunderstood which is why we made the video. The item has changed a tonne over the years. It used to mute items from being used as well. Was ridiculously strong.
@@beneaththeveil ah I see. My brother also like: Just use it, force staff and eul magicly disabled lmao. Seems hes cofused too
I'm a GM bird player. Sunray with SV and ethereal blade is enough to kill 6 slot huskar
Been spamming a bit of Phoenix lately. Fun hero, the lack of a stun outside of Egg can at times be a bit hairy though lol. Was doing the same thing to a mid NP, he wasn't happy being melted by a position 5 with just SV + Shiva's
I took me a second to realize this video is for 3k and below. Glad it showed up though, I can send it to some friends
If you want to affect change, gotta start from the ground up ;)
as a support player, i know this item too well, fucking hate it.
It's a tough life, for sure
it's not so good against morph especially at late game
As with many things in dota: the later the game goes the less effective they become overall, yes.
5:46 why is tree here? He barely heals anyone with E
Treant Protector heals not only through Living Armor but also through Leech Seed, which with the Sapling facet allows him to provide heals and damage in a particular area rather than having to tie it to an enemy. Leveraging Spirit Vessel on a hero Treant is trying to keep alive with both Living Armor and Leech Seed heavily hinders his effectiveness at doing so.
finally i'm going to learn about that item, i've never really understood how it works and never bought it since i started game and since my 500 mmr (i'm 6k now), but i play only sup roles so its not that bad, i guess...
Sometimes as a support this item can still be just what you need!
The comparisons are well made, thank u for the effort.
Thanks for watching!
Wow I didn't realize Nullifier could this be powerful in this meta. Truly underutilized!
i think the point with magic stick is more nuanced, it's value comes much with mana regen, you can eat cheap tangos for health at any point. if you are not casting spells the extra stat points from iron branch can be vital for last hitting which really trumps anything else
Totally agree that it's nuanced! Though if you're sitting in lane with maxed out mana you're wasting your passive mana regeneration and that's a different issue to be addressed. Something we didn't really belabour was the outplay potential that Wand gives you versus Stick. Suddenly gaining 300 HP rather than 150 HP with max charges can make the difference between a won and lost engagement. Especially in the early game when net worth and XP swings due to dying first or second are so valuable, Wand becomes very potent. You're totally right though in that sometimes the burst of mana is just what you need in order to get that last spell off in a combination to secure a kill. There's so many intricacies even in the early game
This channel is giving good advices thank you so much❤
You're so welcome!
Does it removes the stacks from bristleback?
Stacks of Warpath are not dispellable, no
one of the friends i frequently play with has never started a game with a build other than just 4 slippers. help me.
Ooft. The greed is all well and good until you come across players who know how to punish you. It's why so many people love Boots of Speed to start lane :'(
@@beneaththeveil though to be fair we play turbo most of the time, so its easy to get away with it. when it comes to ranked though, 90% of my tangos goes to him 🤣
@@ranenchua9146 checks out
Boots+Tango, got it <3
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Gamers! 7.37 has arrived and made this video slightly irrelevant. Love that for us :') Urn and Spirit Vessel no longer give attributes. Instead they give 125/375 HP. Still helpful. The cooldown on Soul Release has been increased to 10s and the damage per second for Vessel has been decreased to 25 which puts it back in line with Urn now. However it still deals 4% of HP per second. It also had its healing reductions boosted by 5% to 50%. This means your peak healing reduction with Orb of Corrosion, Vessel, Shiva's and Skadi is now 82% dropping down to 78% if you sell Orb of Corrosion. Orb of Corrosion and Vessel now give 60% reductions together so that earliest powerspike is even stronger than it used to be. Due to the reduction in damage: strategy of when to heal using charges and when to fight with them may go back in line with Urn's strategy but that's something we'll be playing around with. Happy Gaming!
move speed is king, no exception. You cant beat being at the right time in the right place
I never knew whqts nullified items do. Wow thanks. This items is actually amazing
It is!
In conclusion, if u r hitter like pa , just get a damn nullifier
Kind of, but not always. Sometimes just building crits is better. If you're a hitter and the enemy itemize to stop you doing that: Nullifier is usually the answer (but not always)
The best way to use the scpter is when the support need ti disengage out of a fight Most important when upgreated to wind waker you can jump of to a high ground giveing a time to tp
600 Golds - I always start with Boots and quelling blade and Doom's 2nd skill. Early kill and harassment in lanes.
Would encourage you to try buying stats to start in lane to secure more CS and denies and see how that treats you instead. If that itemisation is working better for you though, more power to you
To sum up ,everything item depends on situation and hero
True!
DIslikes disabled by owner... Wonder why, lol
People can still like/dislike we're pretty sure based on what we can see. Did you not like the video?
I would simple buy the recipe first or the most expensive component
Fair enough!
Fuck me if I decide to play like that It’s soooo petty I wanna enjoy the damn game !!!
We enjoy winning, personally. But you do you
Kiwi?
Yes indeed :)
Everytime i against timber, i always pick winter wyvern and buy orb corrosion + vessel, those item combo has insane regen reduction that even timber at full stack lvl 4 passive cannot ressist it, and will forced him to buy dispell item asap, while eul isn't great early item for timber, and lotus is kinda expensive, and at later minute of the game my carrybband other cores usually build shivas+skadi that goes through lotus. Those item combo also worked insanely good against axe that usually has vanguard, which the reduce regen + vessel dmg will make him squishy, because we already know that axe isn't really that tough hero, he is relying on his call and regen items to maintain his hp not droping fast. I love how those cheap ass items could fcked up enemy offlaner in early game. To be fair, the vessel kinda expensive for support heroes in early game, but it is a great invest and can be stil impactful at late game
Very true!
I liked the video and that little history and etymology skit :D
Glad to hear!
pls explain on flat movement speed and percentage MS. which to prefer when and why? i get stuck on this dilema when picking neutral items
Movement speed is a topic we could do a whole video on for sure :)
actually good video
Thank you!
At 4:25 I see mostly heroes with DOT sources. Poison touch, Treant's Q, Malefice, Swarm, Battery Assault, Phoenix is basically perfect for amping his damage with urn, cause its all damage over time, ES ult and Veno's whole kit as well. I see it is nice to get a support item that synergizes with your builtin damage over time, but why is nobody talking about THAT?
It's strong with DoT sources for sure which most of these heroes have in their kit; but the reason it's popular for them is due to the way they play fights. Being constantly on the edge or weaving in and out of a fight with their spells, they're much more likely than most other heroes to build up and use multiple charges each fight. That's where the real power is, even before you start looking at the synergy of other sources like with Veil and Shiva's. Lion for example can find success with Urn and Vessel, but it's so much harder for him since most of the time once he's in, he's kind of stuck there. Veno can throw wards on the flank to slow down heroes trying to sneak into a fight in order to hold his position whereas Phoenix can use Icarus Dive to reposition if he finds himself too deep in a fight. Treant sits in the trees the whole fight and just tree walks if someone tries to go on him while Dazzle typically only pops out to save someone or Debuff someone. It's the positioning aspects of these heroes which makes them the strongest carriers for Urn and Vessel, but their spells that damage are just bonuses
the funny thing about this is that I learned how to do this purely by sheer logical thinking, it's a topic not being talked a lot and yet is extremely important
We're continually surprised at how uncommon common sense seems to be ;) A shocking amount of people completely underestimate how important a small bump to certain stats drastically changes your power in the earliest stages of the game
@@beneaththeveili think a big reason for this is that people usually just follow the guides ingame, so they dont really think anything of it since if it is provided by the game there is no need to worry about it. If it says core items: stick boots, they just focus on getting this items in whatever order they have money the fastest
@@zvEr348 agree 100%
Your videos are super helpful from someone who just came back to Dota2 after 4 years. I subbed!
Glad to hear! Welcome aboard :)
Please consider too add Persian language in caption
We have added Persian for you and will continue to do so moving forward :)
Level 18 Nyx assisin with octarine core, dagon 5, khanda, shard can burst most of the tanks except aba
It's pretty nuts. With level 25 talent Nyx can apply Break on Abaddon. Combine that with some sort of disable to stop him manually casting Borrowed Time and it's game over for him. We discuss that in our upcoming video on Break :)
Great video! Commenting for the algorithm
Legend! Appreciate it
Z Adrian Z
He's one of the homies :) helping educate the dota community together
As a razor main , I usually never have to fear much but this thing is starting to scare me , I want to main another hero but don't know how spell amp works , would love a video on that.
It's on the list
The entire information is in item description tho
Reading is hard for some people. Applying the information can be even harder