Gamers! Thank you so much for 6K! You lot are wild. Quick correction for 7.36c: Dark Seer illusion damage rescaled from 70/85/100% without talent to 70/80/90% - talent still increases by 20% (and now actually works lol) As mentioned: here's the exceptions to the rules regarding Arc Warden and Meepo with items. As mentioned for Arc Warden: every item except Divine Rapier will fully translate over to the Clone. Items that don’t work for Illusions but work for Meepo Clones with the item in Neutral Slot through Pack Rat: Abyssal Blade Active Stun cast Battle Fury Cleave and Quell Active Blight Stone and Desolator Armor Corruption Effects (and Desolator Damage charge increases) Eye of Skadi Cold Attack Harpoon Active Cast Infused Raindrops (Charges on Clones independent to Meepo Prime) Linken’s Sphere (individual single-layer protection. Putting shield on another clone does not provide 2 layers of protection to them. Only benefit is putting it on an ally) Mjollnir Active Effect Items that don’t work for either Illusions nor Meepo Clones: Abyssal Blade and Skull Basher passive Bash chance Divine Rapier Echo Sabre and Harpoon Echo Strike Gleipnir, Maelstrom and Mjollnir Chain Lightning Hope this helps! If you think we missed anything as always let us know and we'll make amendments with credit. Happy Gaming!
You forgot the broken Bane aghs khanda. When he ults someone, the Khanda effect is applied by Bane and his illusions to the target. So basically a one shot combo
True! If we went through item effects along with spell effects this video would have been even longer. We mostly wanted to just cover the spells themselves but then with clones wanted to highlight how they differ from regular basic and strong illusions
These videos are so good. So much detail. Great channel. I'd really like to see a video on the various types of damage block/damage resist. Not just armor and spell resist and different damage types, but the nuance of things like Aphotic Shield, Enrage, Refraction, Fire Shield, Meat Shield, etc.
Great suggestion! Once we get through more general mechanics and have our viewer base up to speed; we'll certainly start going through the specifics of certain spells. We're already flirting with those sorts of nitty-gritty details in our upcoming videos. If you aren't already aware of him even though we shout him out all the time; Adrian does videos specifically on hero abilities and is a great tandem resource. Here's a link directly to his channel :) www.youtube.com/@zzadrianzz
Here is a video idea to get you ripping your hair out. Disperser. It can dispel you, your allies and your enemies. What are moments where you might really consider this? The item is also interesting in how it builds and who it builds on and against who as well. You may also discuss things like the item timing vs what items to expect on your allies and enemy team and how this might affect dispelling them or yourself. Since the more the game goes in the more dispels and disables there are.
Disperser is a fun item. It's actually the best item to get for agility based illusion heroes in order to increase the damage output of their illusions as it's the highest source of agility gain in the game. Most misunderstood part of the utility is just the speed boost to move around the map and even use it as a way to close the gap when you don't have line of sight on the hero. Got a fair few videos in line already but could definitely touch on it in time.
3:41 By the way, dark seer's lvl10 talent +20% wall illusions damage simply does not work. Neither with ulti illusions, nor aghs normal punch illusions, they just dont get that bonus damage from talent.
We did spot that during researching and recording but were expecting it to be shadow patched along with the myriad of smaller updates that have come out since 7.36. Apparently this one has slipped by unnoticed for a while. Kind of crazy that Dark Seer's win rate is doing so well regardless of that issue
I think you have very clear and pleasant speech, but subtitles are nice addition nonetheless. I enjoy this amount of info, too bad I forget it all the second I q into the game and space the fuck out
Thank you for the kind words. Can totally relate to forgetting everything once you queue into a game. Best advice is try not to remember all the specific numbers, but rather try and remember the situational utility that makes skills and items helpful. While you can probably figure out the force with which you can swing a hammer, it's much more helpful to remember that a hammer is good for putting in and taking out nails.
Glad to hear! We've had the odd complaint and I've been trying to fix the issue by changing how I speak but ended up almost losing my voice in the process because I'd been speaking in a way that's totally unnatural for me. We've decided to use subtitles as a way to bridge the gap for those who find my accent hard to understand as well as give more accessibility to those who aren't native English speakers ☺️
Yes, we found this in testing for this video but had assumed it would be remedied in a shadow patch after 7.36 dropped. It appears it has not been remedied yet
Great video, can you explain how lich frost shield dmg reduction work ? I saw in game it doent work for my lane creep , so it works only for heroes and buildings? Do it reduces all dmg times? These things arent specified in spell..
For sure! We actually want to talk about Lich's innate at some point so we can cover Frost Shield at the same time since it's the same hero! We've got a fair few videos to do before that but we'll put it on the list for you :)
We have added Spanish captions for you and will continue to do so moving forward :) Regarding MK clones: they are invulnerable and uncontrollable and work very similarly to Meepo's Rat Pack mechanics. Items that work for regular illusions (such as Diffusal/Disperser and critical strikes) fully work for them. They also get the on hit benefits of Orb of Venom/Orb of Corrosion, Eye of Skadi as well as applying the armor corruption of Blight Stone/Desolator. If MK has Radiance the clones will also give the burn aura even if MK's Radiance is toggled off. MK is the only one whose clones benefit from having Divine Rapier - that damage fully translates over to them. There are certain on hit effects from neutral items like the silence of Mind Breaker which don't translate, but most do. As far as we know, the only regular items that don't benefit MK clones are the chance to bash from Basher/Abyssal Blade, the bonuses from Armlet and the movement speed slow/double attack of Echo Sabre and Harpoon.
@@beneaththeveil Ohh, thank you very much, you are the best, I wish you the best and that your channel grows a lot, you deserve it for your great quality, cheers up✨
Hi thanks for the videos, very informatic. May I ask if you can a video regarding how heart of tarrasque works? it seems like whenever I completed building the item, thee HP regen of my hero will go down drastically to none at all. Hoping you can help me out, thanks 😊
We can certainly put that on the list for you! Though we think your HP Regen going down may be an indication of some other Debuff affecting you. Our next video will shine a light on some of that for you so make sure to subscribe if you aren't already ☺️
@@nos_gaming fascinating. I can't seem to recreate it. Which hero are you using in demo mode? And are there any other heroes in the demo mode with that hero?
I first notice it while playing rank games, then i checked again in demo mode,.centaur warrunner is the hero I use where I notice that the heart of tarrasque loose the HP regen if not the value went really down
@@nos_gaming again, fascinating. We can't replicate the issue you were having. Any time we add Heart of Tarrasque into our inventory our HP regen raises significantly as expected
Gamers! Thank you so much for 6K! You lot are wild.
Quick correction for 7.36c: Dark Seer illusion damage rescaled from 70/85/100% without talent to 70/80/90% - talent still increases by 20% (and now actually works lol)
As mentioned: here's the exceptions to the rules regarding Arc Warden and Meepo with items.
As mentioned for Arc Warden: every item except Divine Rapier will fully translate over to the Clone.
Items that don’t work for Illusions but work for Meepo Clones with the item in Neutral Slot through Pack Rat:
Abyssal Blade Active Stun cast
Battle Fury Cleave and Quell Active
Blight Stone and Desolator Armor Corruption Effects (and Desolator Damage charge increases)
Eye of Skadi Cold Attack
Harpoon Active Cast
Infused Raindrops (Charges on Clones independent to Meepo Prime)
Linken’s Sphere (individual single-layer protection. Putting shield on another clone does not provide 2 layers of protection to them. Only benefit is putting it on an ally)
Mjollnir Active Effect
Items that don’t work for either Illusions nor Meepo Clones:
Abyssal Blade and Skull Basher passive Bash chance
Divine Rapier
Echo Sabre and Harpoon Echo Strike
Gleipnir, Maelstrom and Mjollnir Chain Lightning
Hope this helps! If you think we missed anything as always let us know and we'll make amendments with credit. Happy Gaming!
Damn 10 years playing dota and i didnt know doppleganger's illusion have that property
Learn something new every day
U voice makes me wanna play with my weapon ❤
We sincerely hope by weapon you mean your mouse and keyboard. Good luck and happy gaming.
@@beneaththeveil lmao gaslighting 🤣
You forgot the broken Bane aghs khanda. When he ults someone, the Khanda effect is applied by Bane and his illusions to the target. So basically a one shot combo
True! If we went through item effects along with spell effects this video would have been even longer. We mostly wanted to just cover the spells themselves but then with clones wanted to highlight how they differ from regular basic and strong illusions
These videos are so good. So much detail. Great channel. I'd really like to see a video on the various types of damage block/damage resist. Not just armor and spell resist and different damage types, but the nuance of things like Aphotic Shield, Enrage, Refraction, Fire Shield, Meat Shield, etc.
Great suggestion! Once we get through more general mechanics and have our viewer base up to speed; we'll certainly start going through the specifics of certain spells. We're already flirting with those sorts of nitty-gritty details in our upcoming videos. If you aren't already aware of him even though we shout him out all the time; Adrian does videos specifically on hero abilities and is a great tandem resource. Here's a link directly to his channel :) www.youtube.com/@zzadrianzz
The einz and zwei tip is mad. Thank you.
No problem! Happy to help :)
Very high quality videos my guy keep it up! ❤
Thanks, will do!
Here is a video idea to get you ripping your hair out.
Disperser. It can dispel you, your allies and your enemies.
What are moments where you might really consider this? The item is also interesting in how it builds and who it builds on and against who as well.
You may also discuss things like the item timing vs what items to expect on your allies and enemy team and how this might affect dispelling them or yourself. Since the more the game goes in the more dispels and disables there are.
Disperser is a fun item. It's actually the best item to get for agility based illusion heroes in order to increase the damage output of their illusions as it's the highest source of agility gain in the game. Most misunderstood part of the utility is just the speed boost to move around the map and even use it as a way to close the gap when you don't have line of sight on the hero. Got a fair few videos in line already but could definitely touch on it in time.
@@beneaththeveil looking forward to those videos and this item hopefully in the near future
This video is good, but I would start it with describing common mechanics of illusions. Like which items work on them, which not, etc.
That's literally what the video we uploaded before this one does :)
@@beneaththeveil fair
3:41 By the way, dark seer's lvl10 talent +20% wall illusions damage simply does not work. Neither with ulti illusions, nor aghs normal punch illusions, they just dont get that bonus damage from talent.
We did spot that during researching and recording but were expecting it to be shadow patched along with the myriad of smaller updates that have come out since 7.36. Apparently this one has slipped by unnoticed for a while. Kind of crazy that Dark Seer's win rate is doing so well regardless of that issue
@@beneaththeveil I wonder for how long it was broken that way. Wont be surprised if it was back from it was added in 7.30 haha
It is now fixed as of 7.36c :)
@@beneaththeveil great news!
I think you have very clear and pleasant speech, but subtitles are nice addition nonetheless.
I enjoy this amount of info, too bad I forget it all the second I q into the game and space the fuck out
Thank you for the kind words. Can totally relate to forgetting everything once you queue into a game. Best advice is try not to remember all the specific numbers, but rather try and remember the situational utility that makes skills and items helpful. While you can probably figure out the force with which you can swing a hammer, it's much more helpful to remember that a hammer is good for putting in and taking out nails.
I like illusion heroes, send illusion on a lane to push waves and bring pressure to the enemy team
Exactly
Im sharpening my sword rn
good luck on the fields of battle, gamer
No need to worry about ur accent, its pretty much understandable ^^
Glad to hear! We've had the odd complaint and I've been trying to fix the issue by changing how I speak but ended up almost losing my voice in the process because I'd been speaking in a way that's totally unnatural for me. We've decided to use subtitles as a way to bridge the gap for those who find my accent hard to understand as well as give more accessibility to those who aren't native English speakers ☺️
currently the dark seer level 10 talent to increase wall of replica damage doesnt work
Yes, we found this in testing for this video but had assumed it would be remedied in a shadow patch after 7.36 dropped. It appears it has not been remedied yet
As of 7.36c this has now been remedied :)
Great video, can you explain how lich frost shield dmg reduction work ? I saw in game it doent work for my lane creep , so it works only for heroes and buildings? Do it reduces all dmg times? These things arent specified in spell..
For sure! We actually want to talk about Lich's innate at some point so we can cover Frost Shield at the same time since it's the same hero! We've got a fair few videos to do before that but we'll put it on the list for you :)
@@beneaththeveil thanks !
Exelent video but i have a question;
How Monkey King clones work?
PD: I like to see spanish captions pls
We have added Spanish captions for you and will continue to do so moving forward :)
Regarding MK clones: they are invulnerable and uncontrollable and work very similarly to Meepo's Rat Pack mechanics. Items that work for regular illusions (such as Diffusal/Disperser and critical strikes) fully work for them. They also get the on hit benefits of Orb of Venom/Orb of Corrosion, Eye of Skadi as well as applying the armor corruption of Blight Stone/Desolator. If MK has Radiance the clones will also give the burn aura even if MK's Radiance is toggled off. MK is the only one whose clones benefit from having Divine Rapier - that damage fully translates over to them. There are certain on hit effects from neutral items like the silence of Mind Breaker which don't translate, but most do.
As far as we know, the only regular items that don't benefit MK clones are the chance to bash from Basher/Abyssal Blade, the bonuses from Armlet and the movement speed slow/double attack of Echo Sabre and Harpoon.
@@beneaththeveil Ohh, thank you very much, you are the best, I wish you the best and that your channel grows a lot, you deserve it for your great quality, cheers up✨
Hi thanks for the videos, very informatic. May I ask if you can a video regarding how heart of tarrasque works? it seems like whenever I completed building the item, thee HP regen of my hero will go down drastically to none at all. Hoping you can help me out, thanks 😊
We can certainly put that on the list for you! Though we think your HP Regen going down may be an indication of some other Debuff affecting you. Our next video will shine a light on some of that for you so make sure to subscribe if you aren't already ☺️
Yes, im subscribed to your channel, there were no debuff affecting my hp regen that time, checked it on demo hero mode and same thing happened
@@nos_gaming fascinating. I can't seem to recreate it. Which hero are you using in demo mode? And are there any other heroes in the demo mode with that hero?
I first notice it while playing rank games, then i checked again in demo mode,.centaur warrunner is the hero I use where I notice that the heart of tarrasque loose the HP regen if not the value went really down
@@nos_gaming again, fascinating. We can't replicate the issue you were having. Any time we add Heart of Tarrasque into our inventory our HP regen raises significantly as expected
lol the accent is fine, it's just a hard g for Mordiggian
Never realised the pronunciation of a Lovecraftian god was so highly contentious lol
Please consider too add Persian language in caption
We have added Persian for you and will continue to do so moving forward :)