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Jude 11 warned the Orthodox and protestants of Korah's rebellion. Numbers 16: 3 is what they say to the Asher Al Habayit/Royal Steward that the Davidic King left over His church.

lol the Novus Ordo strikes again

Dan, I love what you’ve done with your hair

Key phrase in this video: "yes the early church is aniconic."

Thanks for the quick reply! That clears things up for me.

I was reminded of this video while watching "Mass of the Ages". I'm not Catholic, but if I was to become Catholic, I would need to see Vatican ii as infallible. Yet I am attracted to the Latin Mass. I think in the past I was confusing criticism of the Novus Ordo as criticism of Vatican ii, which, in my mind, would be questioning the infallible Church. However, today it clicked that maybe what people criticize about the Novus Ordo is about how liturgical reformers errored in carrying out Vatican ii. So my question is, what changes to the Mass were considered infallible. In other words, what absolutely needed to be changed per Vatican ii? Could it be that if the liturgical reformers just applied the minimum required changes that there would have been very little change to the Latin Mass?

Really great information from historical perspective. So much of this type of content has nothing to do with true Christianity.

I do early medieval crafts and education (Anglo-Saxons, Picts, Vikings etc) and I'm finding your work very useful in shewing away early modern preconceptions of Christianity, you know, forgetting everything I thought I knew, starting at the beginning and working forwards. Thanks for all your work, it's greatly appreciated - especially by this orthodox Anglican

I am learing so much from your videos. From the bottom of my heart, Thank You.

As a cradle traditional Catholic I love listening to conversion stories and Erick's story is fascinating. I appreciate the sheer hard work invested in research to find the true church, the Holy Catholic Church founded by our Lord Jesus. I pray that our protestant, orthodox brothers and sisters come to know the truth. For people who lament about Francis I say this, Francis is only the house keeper a sinner like the rest of us. He is a liberal Jesuit therefore our prayers should be for our Lord to intervene at his appropriate time to rescue his church from bad influences. God bless your work.

I think one issue here that I see and I’m halfway through the video at the moment. Is that in Nicea 2 there are very clear anathema’s to people against veneration to images. This means that if someone is convicted to not do so they will be looked at as an unfaithful follower for not bowing to an image. I feel like this is of a spirit of Nebuchadnezzar in the sense that what they have done is forcefully made a rule that should be left to the faith of the believer. Not only that but are adding a burden to the souls of the faithful that has no need to be pressed. You don’t judge faithfulness to Christ on whether or not someone venerates images or statues.

Francis(Bergolio) has engaged in numerous heresies by both word and deed. Which means he's not Catholic. Therefore since he's not Catholic, then he doesn't hold office as Pope.

A Catholic should never attend the novus ordo mass. The Vatican II sect literally has gay pride novus ordo masses.

There's several teachings from the Vatican II council which contradict past infallible dogmatic teachings of the Church

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In Kansas City we hold St. Lawrence to be the patron saint of barbecue.

Another very substantial episode. Thanks guys!

Shabbat. Lots of speculation but think how it also reminds of betrayal not just celebration. The happy Christian not so much they're in hiding . The Roman's are trying to destroy them by root and branch. Oh that kiss is left out 364 days a year . These were jews . Some herodian some hashemites others maybe gentile . This idea that Paul's so cool arises only after his role in martyring Stephen. Oh there were many more sacraments in early Christianity.

In college our Newman Center was being re-constructed, so we rented out an event space at the school’s alumni center. In order to make an impromptu “apse,” an art student painted 3 life-sized icons on plywood of the Immaculate Conception, Christ in Majesty, and St. Joseph Terror of Demons. These things were huge and gorgeous. They have been preserved in basement study rooms of the new Newman Hall. Will they be there in 30 years? Maybe. Will they be there in 1900 years? Almost certainly not. I feel like some Protestants expect that if icon veneration were common in the early church that we would find a ton of examples. But that seems as silly as expecting our plywood paintings to survive 2 millennia. Especially since our Newman center has a higher Christian population than all of Italy did in the first century.

You guys are incredible! Love your content 😎😎😎

We are to worship God in spirit and truth. Graven images of God are strictly forbidden. If you think that Christian icons are harmless fun, then I present the crying Mary statue "miracle." This nonsense is where humans instinctively take this. They reduce God to superstition. Tribal peoples that come from a tradition of animalism will use these graven accoutrements to mix in their old beliefs. Habitual traditions are very difficult to break.

How are we to interpret the scriptural passages of God calling the reforms of Josiah pleasing if the New Testament authors seemed to find them so distasteful?

Very much needed. Thank you!

“Husband of one wife” is an idiom for not sleeping around. There are a number of arguments that have pretty much proven this. Even Chrysostom who knew Greek said a woman could be a husband of one wife.. Regarding clan leaders like Abraham being priests. What is the evidence for this? What is the evidence that kings were considered priests? An even bigger question, why should we model our churches off of the priesthood of the Old Testament when the task of a priest was entirely different then compared to now?

Interesting timing on me finding this video! Just yesterday on 60 Minutes Pope Francis was asked “[F]or a little girl growing up Catholic today, will she ever have the opportunity to be a deacon and participate as a clergy member in the Church?” His Holiness’ answer: “No.” The interviewer pressed a little bit and asked if the female deaconate was “something you’re open to?” Pope Francis reiterated: “If it is deacons with holy orders, no. But women have always had, I would say, the function of deaconesses without being deacons, right? Women are of great service as women, not as ministers, as ministers in this regard, within the holy orders.” Great stuff!

I am greek , I was baptized an eo but I wasnt ever rrly that inclined into orthodoxy. I researched almost all of the religions of the world at my late puberty trying to see wich fits me. Almost in all of these religions I was initially excited to learn about them but over time they didnt quench my spiritual thirst. Then I started studying about catholicism and the more I got to know about the church the more convinced I was. Only thing I have to say is that I love Jesus for everything he has done for me

Also, do you two have a recommended publication of the Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs for someone wanting to read it physically? Thanks!

Do you guys have a recommended translation/edition of Origen’s “On First Principles” (in English)? Thanks! I know the original full text is lost, but what is the best of what we have available?

I would like an updated video using AI to have Dave sing to Clement’s hymn!

1:23:00 And the Holy Spirit who spoke through the prophets!

Dr. John Bergsma of Franciscan U. has an interesting write-up on the Rabbis’ theories of the two messiahs. He suggests that the lesser Elijah-esque messiah of Levi was fulfilled in John the Baptist (and that Jesus attests to this by calling John “Elijah”), and that the greater Messiah of Judah was fulfilled by Christ (obviously).

Just become byzantine. Its literally orthodox in communion with rome

I think we all need to stop sayings things like, “Protestants don’t see things that are clearly there because they just don’t want to see them.” Or the converse: “Catholics see things that AREN’T really there because they so badly WANT to see them.” Paradigms can be seen to skew-or accurately direct-our perspectives on things. So much of what the Catholic Brothers conclude about historical matters seems ad hoc to me. I start counting non-sequiturs, as they rain down fast and furious. But I’m fairly certain they would see my arguments in similar fashion! Gavin has requested that we stop referring to each other as disingenuous. It’s really easy to say of one’s opponents that nobody could honestly believe what they believe. That their stances appear ludicrous on the face of things. We’ll all be a lot more productive in our discussions if we quit the incessant triumphalism.

@TheCatholicBrothers. Most of this video was presented as if the contention nowadays was between a docile Christian use of representational art and an historic, extremist factional iconoclasm. Robin Jensen wrote of the church going from idol to icon, but there is also the very real progress of Christian worship from icon to idol, as you yourselves documented with the touring Lady of Fatima story. You said, “If eating meat causes my brother to fall, then I’ll never eat meat again.” Should I hold you to that? Because if I did, you’d immediately cease venerating icons! Their misuse is ubiquitous in the Church! Where I’m at, Catholics will buy small statues of St. Joseph and bury him upside down in their yard to help their house sell. If it sells, they dig him up and proudly display him in their new house! Gavin has no problem with representational art in worship. His dad is an Anglican, for goodness’ sake! There is a difference, though, between honoring a deceased love one by visiting their grave…and divvying up their bones to act as lucky charms. Icon and relic veneration became (and still often is) incredibly superstitious and magical…and magic and superstition are, when it comes right down to it, basically demonic. Nehushtan, the bronze serpent set up by Moses, was torn down by Hezekiah…not because of some newfound aniconism…but because the people were burning incense to it.

what's your take on utraquism?

Welcome to the true one true catholic and apostolic church

I’d never seen this channel before, but I’m intrigued by Ybarra’s story-I’ve read his blog before-and appreciate the interview. I’m writing this comment over a month after you posted the video, so probably no one will see this, but I wonder-I’ve long wondered-what Catholic apologists say for a person who’s getting pulled in the opposite direction. In my case I am a cradle Catholic who deeply loves the Anglican tradition and has a strong pull towards that (my spirituality, to be honest, is more English than Italian or Greek). I also have strong doubts, based on my studies, about papal infallibility and, even more so, universal papal jurisdiction. The upshot of all these stories is that the convert was convinced that Catholicism is true (I’m thinking of Chesterton’s “Why I Am a Catholic,” of course), whether intellectually or spiritually. So what about the person who’s intellectually-and, maybe more drastically, spiritually-unconvinced? I don’t know, maybe there isn’t a good answer, but I keep asking.

You mention around 24:30 that the Didache was written by the apostles. How come it wasn’t determined to be inspired? Any good videos that talk about why some early writings didn’t end up being considered inspired by the Church?

This has come up several times, and it's the only problem I have with you guys' historical legwork. The series is a real blessing. I just can't understand what reasons there are not to identify James the Just (brother of Jesus) with James the Less (the Apostle, son of Alphaeus). Mary of Clopas is pretty clearly indicated to be the mother of James the Just in Scripture, and it's pretty well-established that Clopas and Alphaeus are the same name translated from Hebrew to Greek. Why the hesitation? Is there something I'm missing here? Brant Pitre covers this fairly well, and came up with the same conclusion that I did separately. Have you guys mentioned this in a later episode, or were you not aware of this nugget of information? How am I mistaken here? The only thing conflicting with that which comes to mind is the alleged authorship of the Protoevangelium of James, which was rejected by the Gelasian Decree, presumably as it appears to be a sort of Christian "midrash" type of work. I'd love to get your thoughts on this, because I've always considered it to be a fascinating topic, and I'm a huge fan of James the Just and his epistle.

1:30 "There's always money in the banana stand."

“I’ve seen the fisherman.” Fantastic last statement. God bless you guys.

3:30 That's a pretty great point, about the "two missions," given the context of what you said in the last few episodes about the original Jewish notion of the Messiah "converting" the Jews before converting the Gentiles. Fascinating stuff, guys. I started watching this series today, and I'm binging it like crazy. Keep up the great work, lads!

This video deserves more airplay, despite being difficult message for many to accept. There certainly should be an institutional separation of Church and State generally, but one can't or shouldn't separate religion/faith/morality from politics. That creates the need for institutional cooperation, which has always been very tricky and difficult to find the right balance. At the same time, politics must be prudent, not blindly applying one principle (which is the definition of ideology). It should also be noted that, though there are capitalist secularists, capitalism, properly defined, has never been condemned in itself like socialism has.

Pope Pius XII made it clear that going back to the liturgy of apostolic times and rejecting the liturgy created by the Popes and the Councils was wrong!

So you mentioned that some baptisms were possible done only in Jesus’s name. I was under the impression that is an invalid baptism according to the Church? Am I wrong? Or does this fall into the binding and loosing authority?

Hebrews 4 : 4, 8,9, 10,11.

Psalms 111 : 7,8,10. Matthew 24 : 20. Revelation 12 : 17.

What is the difference between before and after Vatican II?

Where can I get that Didache you are reading there? Can I have the ISBN?

The critics cannot see the Church’s duty to enlighten the Word of God in times we live. The times that were pointed out were different from each other. I kiss my scapular, and my picture of Christ and yes an anathema if I was of idolatry.