This is the kind of content that will help the Orthodox, Catholic and Coptic etc to return to unity, why because we need to remember our common heritage, God bless you.
The Lord be with you. Hello and good evening Catholic Brothers Thank you very much for your informative programme. I am àn Anglican from the Diocese of Cape Town at the tip of the African continent. Our diocese once had 156 parishes: the archbishop and five suffragan bishops, but has split into three - now the diocese has 56 parishes. The Catholic Archbishop, Stephen Brislin was appointed a cardinal and will be accompanied by our Archbishop, Thabo Makghoba to the Vatican to receive his red beretta/ zucchetto. Our diocese is extremely high church / six low church parishes. Evensong in some parishes sounds and looks like something out of England - more Catholics at Evensong than Anglicans. The office of morning/evening prayer (Book of Common Prayer)+ compline are important disciplines in my life. "Most gracious God, we humbly beseech Thee for Thy Holy Catholick Church. Fill it with The truth; in all truth with all peace. Where it is corrupt, purge it; where it is in error, direct it; where anything is amiss, rectify it; where it is right, strengthen and confirm it; where it is in want, furnish it; where it is divided and rent asunder, make up the breaches of it; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." BoCP
Please keep up this work it is very important and your work goes well with the Lord of the spirits podcast, I am Orthodox and I thank you, God bless you
When I get a notification from you guys it's akin to a big T Bone Steak falling on my plate. I eat it up, and then pick over the bone lol.....( Weird Analogy perhaps ) Still, I never knew that Josephus wrote about the Jews casting out a Demon in Solomon's name....! I'm going to find that, it's super interesting to understand what thought process, belief, lies behind this. Also, the idea of the Nephilim in relation to exorcism. I have to listen over this again to see the distinctions you make between the Watchers and how you source information from the Old Covenant Scripture and New Covenant Scripture with historical sources filling in many gaps we have today. The Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran seem like another providential T Rex Bone in relation to filling in gaps or confirmation of the genius & and sincerity of early translation. Time to listen again! Thank you so much, I love this series and I enthusiastically recommend it when opportunity allows. 👍
@58:43 - happily, the practice of fasting STILL survives in the current catechumen ritual (albeit demoted to a 'recommendation' and practically, a bit of a dead-letter as it's rarely told to catechumens) - c.f. RCIA n.185, esp. #1.
Consistently outstanding content guys! This video reminded me a lot of a recent multi-part series on the Amen app I listened to about the life and missionary work of St. Patrick. I really appreciated how they went as far as detailing the demonic activity behind the pagan cults that dominated Ireland, while including instances of St. Patrick confronting that evil, and overcoming it through a pretty epic exorcism. Really fills me with joy seeing you both faithfully use your gifts and talents to serve God. Keep it up!!!!!
Hey guys! 👋 Someone mentioned your channel in Reason & Theology’s livestream so, I came to check you out & watched a couple of videos. I came, I watched, I subbed. 👍
@43:50 - interestingly, that line "whether thrones or dominions, or principalities" is missing in the Col 1:16f segment in the standard English Translation of the Liturgy of the Hours. It is there in the Latin, however. A curious omission in the English translation, given it's 'angelic' overtones.
Do you guys think their is a way to reconcile Heiser's view of three angelic falls with St. Thomas Aquinas view that the angles fell immediately at their creation?
I would like to add that the first century church was filled with converts prepared for the Gospel such as Priests from the Temple (Acts 6:7 ), Essenes, Jews who had seen Jesus and his miracles and teaching and one more very important group Gentile God-fearers who met with the Jews in the synagogue but did not want to be circumcised or become officially Jews such as Cornelius. The dead sea scrolls tell us that the religion of the Essenes both in teachings and their calender fully predicted Jesus as messiah and the teachings of the Apostles. The early Church was set up by God to be stronger then many understand. God bless you.
Start here, and then branch out: www.amazon.com/Name-Jesus-Exorcism-among-Christians/dp/0801027454 www.amazon.com/Unseen-Realm-Recovering-Supernatural-Worldview/dp/1577995562 www.amazon.com/Religion-Apostles-Orthodox-Christianity-Century/dp/B097FBNQHV/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=Q2lb0&content-id=amzn1.sym.ae1d87ab-6680-4296-ada1-5366169507b8&pf_rd_p=ae1d87ab-6680-4296-ada1-5366169507b8&pf_rd_r=133-3437383-2810520&pd_rd_wg=r8KwB&pd_rd_r=77acf84b-7e36-4217-a7e5-f8ade46669e1&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
Glad you guys are back! Also, how would you recommend a young Catholic in Chicago find community? My parish doesn’t really have a young adult ministry and the one event they did throw was basically a singles event.
I learned whole lot more about historical demonology/exorcism here than anywhere else (including Jimmy Akin's own channel, though it had a different focus). Demons in the New Testament are primarily spirits of Nephilim?? Never heard that before. Book of Jubilees (Dead Sea Scrolls) and the AnteNicene fathers make the connection back to Nephilim? Interesting. Maybe have to look that up.... There's a difference between fallen angels/demons and unclean spirits?? Knew the early fathers thought the pagan gods were demons, but had never thought of that in terms of a public denunciation of paganism, cultural revolution, and secondary evangelization technique. By the finger of God (Lk 11:20). I imagine God flicking his finger to defeat a demon. No strong right arm needed, lol. I remember Michuta's book _Hostile Witnesses_ mentions documentation of pagan Egyptian magicians using the name of Jesus too, not just the Jews using it. The Didache is still very early, perhaps when apostles still existed, so not sure that speaks to post-apostolic exorcism or not. Justin Martyr mentions the fasting before baptism too. Nice to have the likely exorcistic context/purpose of that from Clement of Alexandria. Love the Suan Sonna and Jewish saintly intercession reference.
Great video, thanks. How is the divine counsel different from the “standard” angel cosmology? Aren’t powers and principalities and small-g gods the same thing? I guess the fact that the most high God consults them is a novel discovery.
Also, then does one think of Buddha or the Hindu gods or the Sikh (singular pantheistic god) as these fallen gods? One would think some are more fallen than others? What does that mean for evangelisation and ecumenism?
Hey there! I know…! Our personal lives got really busy the past 2 months with our day jobs (plus Daniel owns a business on top of that), so time allocation has been tough, but we’ll get back on track here in October. Thanks for checking on us though and making sure we’re still alive 😅 lol! Next episode coming soon.
Is there any Catholic source for the Divine Counsel theory? Also, from everything that I've heard from exorcists, all the evil angels fell at one period of time and this was when the good angels received the Beatific Vision. Also, is the Book of Jubilees even a valid source for any of this or is it just a text that's good for giving historical context? Great talk, you guys.
Thank you Catholic Brothers! Doesn‘t the church teach that there was only one instance of an angelic fall? Meaning that isn‘t Michael Heiser wrong on this claim of several fallings of angels? Thanks…
1:16:30, I think Tertullian can be refuted in each & every point regarding the Pagan gods. It seems he starts off by making a lot of assumptions of what rules a divinity is supposed to follow & strictly adhere to. None of which apply. Nice sophistry there but nothing much of substance. He first of all makes a claim that indeed Christians drive out demons posing as pagan gods which no one is there to substantiate on an individual basis. Secondly makes a rhetorical assumption that for a divinity to be true divinity, it has to follow these set of rules which come from a non pagan background/Hebrew texts & hence stand inapplicable on a pagan context.
There you guys are! You have been missed! Thank you for continuing to share your knowledge with us on the first 500 years of the church.
This is the kind of content that will help the Orthodox, Catholic and Coptic etc to return to unity, why because we need to remember our common heritage, God bless you.
Thanks!
with the Catholic Brothers......always Like first then watch
I have been patiently waiting for a new video. Very excited to watch this. Thanks.
The Lord be with you.
Hello and good evening Catholic Brothers
Thank you very much for your informative programme. I am àn Anglican from the Diocese of Cape Town at the tip of the African continent. Our diocese once had 156 parishes: the archbishop and five suffragan bishops, but has split into three - now the diocese has 56 parishes. The Catholic Archbishop, Stephen Brislin was appointed a cardinal and will be accompanied by our Archbishop, Thabo Makghoba to the Vatican to receive his red beretta/ zucchetto. Our diocese is extremely high church / six low church parishes. Evensong in some parishes sounds and looks like something out of England - more Catholics at Evensong than Anglicans. The office of morning/evening prayer (Book of Common Prayer)+ compline are important disciplines in my life.
"Most gracious God, we humbly beseech Thee for Thy Holy Catholick Church. Fill it with The truth; in all truth with all peace. Where it is corrupt, purge it; where it is in error, direct it; where anything is amiss, rectify it; where it is right, strengthen and confirm it; where it is in want, furnish it; where it is divided and rent asunder, make up the breaches of it; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." BoCP
Welcome Back Brothers!! You have been sorely missed!
Very unique and always great commentary
Please keep up this work it is very important and your work goes well with the Lord of the spirits podcast, I am Orthodox and I thank you, God bless you
When I get a notification from you guys it's akin to a big T Bone Steak falling on my plate. I eat it up, and then pick over the bone lol.....( Weird Analogy perhaps )
Still, I never knew that Josephus wrote about the Jews casting out a Demon in Solomon's name....! I'm going to find that, it's super interesting to understand what thought process, belief, lies behind this.
Also, the idea of the Nephilim in relation to exorcism. I have to listen over this again to see the distinctions you make between the Watchers and how you source information from the Old Covenant Scripture and New Covenant Scripture with historical sources filling in many gaps we have today.
The Dead Sea Scrolls found at Qumran seem like another providential T Rex Bone in relation to filling in gaps or confirmation of the genius & and sincerity of early translation.
Time to listen again! Thank you so much, I love this series and I enthusiastically recommend it when opportunity allows. 👍
Hey pop!👋 thanks for mentioning these guys in today’s livestream.
@@TrixRN You're welcome Theresa. Enjoy! 😊
Can’t wait to watch. I hope you guys get into how we replace the fallen Elohim, in God’s divine council :)
@58:43 - happily, the practice of fasting STILL survives in the current catechumen ritual (albeit demoted to a 'recommendation' and practically, a bit of a dead-letter as it's rarely told to catechumens) - c.f. RCIA n.185, esp. #1.
Consistently outstanding content guys! This video reminded me a lot of a recent multi-part series on the Amen app I listened to about the life and missionary work of St. Patrick. I really appreciated how they went as far as detailing the demonic activity behind the pagan cults that dominated Ireland, while including instances of St. Patrick confronting that evil, and overcoming it through a pretty epic exorcism. Really fills me with joy seeing you both faithfully use your gifts and talents to serve God. Keep it up!!!!!
Top-notch episode. Fascinating in its details. Well done.
Hey guys! 👋 Someone mentioned your channel in Reason & Theology’s livestream so, I came to check you out & watched a couple of videos. I came, I watched, I subbed. 👍
@43:50 - interestingly, that line "whether thrones or dominions, or principalities" is missing in the Col 1:16f segment in the standard English Translation of the Liturgy of the Hours. It is there in the Latin, however. A curious omission in the English translation, given it's 'angelic' overtones.
Do you guys think their is a way to reconcile Heiser's view of three angelic falls with St. Thomas Aquinas view that the angles fell immediately at their creation?
@@BlindBart_Mk10-51 it would be interesting to try. But I’ve never really given that a go. Have at it! 😉
I would like to add that the first century church was filled with converts prepared for the Gospel such as Priests from the Temple (Acts 6:7 ), Essenes, Jews who had seen Jesus and his miracles and teaching and one more very important group Gentile God-fearers who met with the Jews in the synagogue but did not want to be circumcised or become officially Jews such as Cornelius. The dead sea scrolls tell us that the religion of the Essenes both in teachings and their calender fully predicted Jesus as messiah and the teachings of the Apostles. The early Church was set up by God to be stronger then many understand. God bless you.
You guys are incredible! Love your content 😎😎😎
I’d love to read more about this! Any books you know of that you would recommend? Thanks!
Start here, and then branch out:
www.amazon.com/Name-Jesus-Exorcism-among-Christians/dp/0801027454
www.amazon.com/Unseen-Realm-Recovering-Supernatural-Worldview/dp/1577995562
www.amazon.com/Religion-Apostles-Orthodox-Christianity-Century/dp/B097FBNQHV/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=Q2lb0&content-id=amzn1.sym.ae1d87ab-6680-4296-ada1-5366169507b8&pf_rd_p=ae1d87ab-6680-4296-ada1-5366169507b8&pf_rd_r=133-3437383-2810520&pd_rd_wg=r8KwB&pd_rd_r=77acf84b-7e36-4217-a7e5-f8ade46669e1&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
Glad you guys are back!
Also, how would you recommend a young Catholic in Chicago find community? My parish doesn’t really have a young adult ministry and the one event they did throw was basically a singles event.
Private message us at thecatholicbrothers@gmail.com (include there what parish you go to)
Take this algorithm!
Could You Add Time Stamps?
You read my mind lol
On my agenda for this week.
I learned whole lot more about historical demonology/exorcism here than anywhere else (including Jimmy Akin's own channel, though it had a different focus).
Demons in the New Testament are primarily spirits of Nephilim?? Never heard that before. Book of Jubilees (Dead Sea Scrolls) and the AnteNicene fathers make the connection back to Nephilim? Interesting. Maybe have to look that up....
There's a difference between fallen angels/demons and unclean spirits??
Knew the early fathers thought the pagan gods were demons, but had never thought of that in terms of a public denunciation of paganism, cultural revolution, and secondary evangelization technique.
By the finger of God (Lk 11:20). I imagine God flicking his finger to defeat a demon. No strong right arm needed, lol.
I remember Michuta's book _Hostile Witnesses_ mentions documentation of pagan Egyptian magicians using the name of Jesus too, not just the Jews using it.
The Didache is still very early, perhaps when apostles still existed, so not sure that speaks to post-apostolic exorcism or not. Justin Martyr mentions the fasting before baptism too. Nice to have the likely exorcistic context/purpose of that from Clement of Alexandria.
Love the Suan Sonna and Jewish saintly intercession reference.
Great video, thanks. How is the divine counsel different from the “standard” angel cosmology? Aren’t powers and principalities and small-g gods the same thing? I guess the fact that the most high God consults them is a novel discovery.
Also, then does one think of Buddha or the Hindu gods or the Sikh (singular pantheistic god) as these fallen gods? One would think some are more fallen than others? What does that mean for evangelisation and ecumenism?
Where have you both been?
Hey there! I know…!
Our personal lives got really busy the past 2 months with our day jobs (plus Daniel owns a business on top of that), so time allocation has been tough, but we’ll get back on track here in October.
Thanks for checking on us though and making sure we’re still alive 😅 lol!
Next episode coming soon.
Is there any Catholic source for the Divine Counsel theory? Also, from everything that I've heard from exorcists, all the evil angels fell at one period of time and this was when the good angels received the Beatific Vision. Also, is the Book of Jubilees even a valid source for any of this or is it just a text that's good for giving historical context? Great talk, you guys.
Your work is consistently amazing! However, the editorial choice to include a modern image of a riot seems to bring in a bit too much modern politics.
Thank you Catholic Brothers!
Doesn‘t the church teach that there was only one instance of an angelic fall?
Meaning that isn‘t Michael Heiser wrong on this claim of several fallings of angels?
Thanks…
1:16:30, I think Tertullian can be refuted in each & every point regarding the Pagan gods.
It seems he starts off by making a lot of assumptions of what rules a divinity is supposed to follow & strictly adhere to.
None of which apply. Nice sophistry there but nothing much of substance.
He first of all makes a claim that indeed Christians drive out demons posing as pagan gods which no one is there to substantiate on an individual basis.
Secondly makes a rhetorical assumption that for a divinity to be true divinity, it has to follow these set of rules which come from a non pagan background/Hebrew texts & hence stand inapplicable on a pagan context.
It will help very much if you talk louder. Thank you!