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The dog wags the tail, not the other way around. All athletic motions especially the peak level athlete (top .01%) that are on tour are flukes of nature. To analyze them is purely for coincidence and not to be taken at an amateur level. You must teach the average golfer who fits in a mold of their own. The best in the world are working with two static variable, earth and club lie angles. The best in the world have figured out to use those two static object and work around them based on their body limitations. It just so happens the best in the world share few things in common with each other. The rest needs to stay at bay, and golf instructors trying to teach these moves reserved for the elite to average Joe’s are doing a huge disservice to them. My opinion of course. Thanks for the comment!

@@liongolfacademy Tour golfers are not athletes ini the sense that pro football, soccer or basketball players are. Their physical attributes are not above the average decent athlete IMO on average. Many male golfers for example have the physical capabilities to achieve 165-175 mph driver ball speeds which is in the tour average range, In fact, many better than average athletes can easily reach above 175 mph but all of this is dependant on good technique, of which they are fully capable. I am not guessing at this because I have been on both sides of this issue. I won a provincial college tournament at 18 and am a fairly above average athlete in many respects. I have never been able to play huge amounts of golf in my life so keeping up my game was not easy even though I reaached a + handicap for stretches. With body changes, layoffs, etc., I have "lost" and "regained" my swing many times.and have come to know how important technique is to the game of golf. I was reaching 175-180 mph ball speeds with accuracy in my mid-fifties but it was very dependant on my technique, i.e. being able to feel how to leverage the club. In periods where I had difficulty with that, speeds might drop to the 150s with much poorer accuracy and consistency. Once in a while, I would leverage the club so well (and sometimes it was a particular club or range of clubs) that I would gain massive amounts of distance and the purity of the strikes became unreal, such as a perfectly struck 7-iron that carried 210 yds.still in my fifities. I have had experiences of this kind throughout pretty much the entire T-G bag. Over the years, I have come to understand what makes the difference in these contrasting periods and without a doubt it is understanding (and feeling obviously, but the understanding helps A LOT) how to move the club. What was changing in these episodes of bad to very exceptional ball striking was not my ablility to tilt, turn, rotate, stand, etc. which weren't changing. It was my ability to feel and understand how to synchonize those elements with the proper relative motion of my arms, hands, and the club which is the secret sauce of the golf swing. I also know from experience that this is what pros are better at, strive for, and have learned to achieve consistency with. Golfers that are not working towards this are wasting their time with regard to playing their best golf. This is obvious from a logical standpoint, the club is a moving pendulum in an inclined plane, The motion of this variable-length pendulum is being synchronized with the motions of many other moving systems in the golf swing but the pendulum's arrival at a certain point in the arc and it's orientation at the point must be extremely precise for good striking. Clearly, ALL variations in how the system(s) move including tempo will necessitate a very accurate ablility to determine (feel) the proper leverage dynamics of that pendulum for that particular combination of elements, This more than anything else is what differentiates tour pros from people of average physical abliity that struggle to play high quality golf. However, many of them are not even trying to learn to do this because they are being taught so many ideas, concepts and myths that by comparison are relatively useless. This is in contrast to golfers such as tour pros for whom this ability is the bread and butter of their exceptional skill. A further substantiation of this, is a simple survey of youtube golf videos which will reveal a plethora of golfers that have changed 1 or two things in their swings and suddenly achieved something much closer to a tour type distance with one or a range of their club(s) with vastly superior striking. I know that I have seen this many, many times. Cheers.

I’m not sure if you are an instructor or make a living instructing but I can tell you if you are you would know it’s never this cut and dry when dealing with average golfers, if you aren’t an instructor then let me tell you it’s never this cut and dry when teaching average golfers 😂. Trust me when I tell you that average golfers may have the capabilities to get into positions on occasion but the work ethic and lifestyle requirements are usually the crutch in development. I would respectfully disagree on your claim that golf professionals are not athletes such as others in their fields. These your golfers bodies are built and designed around a high level repetitive motion, much like other athletes in their craft. You would not pit an MMA fighter with a rock climber and vice versa. Thanks for the comment! Best of luck in your teaching.

@@liongolfacademy I never said that golfers are not athletes but to compare them to athletes whose livelihood depends largely on some combination of their power, speed, or agility is not really appropos in many cases. Their average liabilities in this regard don't need to supercede the average by very much in order for them to be successful in the sport. In that regard, comparing golfers to either rock climbers or MMA fighters seems lopsided. Again, leveraging the club properly is what leads to positions, not the other way around. So whatever positions amateur golfers get into are likely to be fairly useless unless they have been taught how to leverage the club. Top golfers arrived at their somewhat dissimilar "positions" because they learned slightly differently how to leverage the club well. Such an approach would I believe revolutionize golf instruction but of course, it has to be understood first which I am not sure is easy to convey in writing, potentially explaining the current impasse. I am happy to leave it at that while retaining no less conviction in what I have said. Cheers.

I hear you but what you speak of is nothing I have not heard before. Nothing in the golf instruction is new. People have dedicated their lives to figuring out the swing for past 200 years. There are no secrets to the swing, no quick way to fix it, no hidden move with leverages, it’s all been done and said multiple times. The best way to identify issues is all individually based, and each user is limited to their body they have at that time. It’s pretty simple and when utilized individually works wonders, which is why I can happily say it has kept me employed for 25 years as an instructor, and opened 5 academies based on this philosophy. I don’t doubt you think any less of your views, and you should not if you whole heartedly believe in them, stay with your passion. I can just tell you, from an instruction point nothing is new.

Hey doglover, thanks for the comment and I am glad you found some useful instruction. Instruction and instructors are much like car mechanics, some are great and honest, some not so much and try to upsell you. Thanks for stopping by!

Based on that definition the club isn’t shallowing it’s just staying in your plane. Plane is all dependent on your setup as an individual and club length. Shallowing it trying to get under the plane which is only reserved for those with higher than average rotational and tilting needs.

Better than slicing and stiff

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Thanks for the watch and comment though!

Appreciate that comment! Means a lot to me and the purpose of the channel.

😁I am sure it works for some out there, but its like a lottery draw!

Thanks thisway! appreciate you always watching and commenting! I hope it helps

100% it does. I stopped giving tips to magazines for this reason alone as I realized I was probably making people worse than helping. FYI this channel is all about swing analysis of golf swings, teaching you cause and effect of your golf swing. Join us as well on Sundays as we go over these things!

I’ve learned so much from this channel. Tony always talks about how important it is to work with someone and steers clear of those quick tip shortcuts

@@liongolfacademywell said Tony

Thanks Steven! The golf instruction industry is just like the fitness industry. Always changes, rewording phrases and releasing them as a "secret", promising this and that for little or no effort, creating chachkis to sell to fill the void of practice and work.....

Agreed!

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It’s not that difficult really. The problem is we want further and straighter, this is a game where people are celebrated as hero’s for their distance, even at an amateur level, and ego comes into play very quickly. When ego comes into play, we seek for more and more, and we go out searching for the answer and ruin our natural motion in that pursuit.

😂 that’s a good reference

What is milo lines?

@@liongolfacademy oh it was the golf coach in the video you watched 😂

@@liongolfacademy hes very pro squat in the doownswing and turn the chest sidebend all that which i remeber trying to copy during a phase because i thought squating was the key to stop my early extenstion never hit so many fat shots in my life hahaha

😂 I thought it was a line program for analysis you were talking about. Let me just say that if someone is teaching everyone a “method” you best stay away from that. Chances are it won’t work for you. Sure there may be a chance it does, and this is why you hear people defend professionals as what they teach works for them. Unless your coach is disciplined NOT to apply a method to you when evaluating your swing and body mechanics / limitations, stay away.

@@liongolfacademy lesson learnt yes 🤣

💯 this is the main reason why most should not attempt this.

@@liongolfacademy yes defo

Sorry to hear that! Hope all is well with you now

lol doc sad reality is I can’t see without those glasses. Many decades in the sun have ruined my eyes.

With the invention of steel shafts players started to exhibit signs of stack and tilt due to the ability of the shaft keeping up with rotation and tilting, unlike the hickory which has to be timed more. “Stack and tilt” is a coined phrase by two instructors, but the positions have been around for decades prior.

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Not sure who Tony Finnow is, and Tiger is right TH-cam golf instruction videos hurt more than help, its a business. It all started going this way in the 60's when golf magazines were competing with each and invited tour pros to give golf tips, then is blossomed into what it is now. They should have also corrected the fake ball flight monitor to match his description LOL

Hey Gary! Are you speaking in general terms or to me?

@@liongolfacademy in general

@@garymarshall3579 Yes time and effort does play a part, but we also need talent and skillset as well!

Thanks Thisway!

This is one of the reasons I started this channel, as I got tired of teaching students who came to me with such complex moves and issues as a result of watching TH-cam. It’s a big game now, and so many are making millions off of it, and it is alarming that a majority of them never taught a lesson, or made a living as an instructor prior. Thanks for the watch! Join us Sundays as well as I help you guys for free on your golf swing! I’m not in this for the money, I am in this to give back to the game that has given me so much in life.

🙏 appreciate it!

Appreciate the watch and comment gturner!

Hey Benjamin, I do have Aberg up on my channel, but are you asking for a more detailed version?

@liongolfacademy yeah for more detailed. Maybe how he sets up with iron vs driver.

@@benjaminsarmiento8150 I will see what I can do

Good pick up! Let me try and put it this way, these players are TV are the outlier’s and are freaks of nature. The fact that a few can do what these two do, and no others really do it, just shows you how hard this is to accomplish. It could multiple variations of what you stated. I chalk it up to just plain freak of nature.

@ yeah I’d like to think I can get my swing into position where it ticks all the checks for perfection but the more I learn and try I start to realise it’s not that simple would you agree that once it gets to the best swings in the world it’s genetic in terms of hitting all the positions and retaining Perfect posture

Just like every professional, it’s 99% genetics and 1% work ethic (but think that the 1% is like our 100%). All professional athletes need the genes to be at that high level. I know plenty of people (in the golf world) who have such dedication, work ethic, and discipline to be a tour pro, but they just don’t have the genes to do it, they aren’t good enough to be the top.0001% of golfers.

@ brutal reality check

Yeah unfortunately think of it this way in the U.S. for golf. If you are the best high school player in your school, and win multiple junior tournaments in your area, and are top 10 junior in your city/county, you will get into a college and compete with other children of your ability. Now the top 10 collegiate players out of all those kids will maybe be good enough to qualify for the tour either by way of exemptions or qualifying. Out of those top 10 you would be lucky to ever hear of 1 of those. The separation at each level is ridiculously tough. In other words if you cannot break 70 EVERY round you play at amateur level golf courses, don’t even bother thinking tour level. Those guys are girls are anywhere between a +3 to +8 handicap.

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You are so right, being taller makes what they do even tougher! Thanks for the comment!

Correct, I experimented with this idea - I cut down an old spare set I had and it was alot easier to swing like this. Easier to 'cover' the ball. And the shorter clubs seem to necessitate a shorter swing. I lost some distance but my ball-striking was more consistent. I still take that set out once in a while. If I were to do it seriously I would have to find a softer flex shaft and hard-step them to get the shaft-club combos correct. And for driver I'd have to use a 5 wood shaft or something.

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Yes this is due to the lie angle of the club and earth. Their bodies have to form to those two limitations and they all do it so well. How they started vs how they get to impact are so different, even post impact is different. This is what happens when you give highly skilled people who are gifted athletes a tool that has limits to use. They all find a way.

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You would be amazed, it only happens naturally if things fall in place. But most amateurs have issues with this due to aging, loss of rotation, flexion, etc. You will get there eventually! 😂

@ I’m 61

@@ayotollaofrockandrolla7219 its all relative I guess...I bet if an 81 year old read this, they would be dreaming of being 61 again! I guess the best way to say this, is a sedentary lifestyle will make this harder to increase your tilt, remain in the posture, and rotate. But that also depends on the grip placement, grip placement determines how much more you need to tilt, turn, or both. That also stems from setup, so its a huge domino effect.

@ maybe I’m old school . But I also feel a correct grip takes care of 90% of all amateur swing issues

You would think so! But what is a “correct grip”? There is no correct grip, every swing evolves around the grip and vice versa, every body has a different swing that evolves around the limitations of it. Every 10 years the structure of your body changes, so everything stemming from it changes. The bottom line is most of the stuff they have been teaching and writing for you to study and read has been false. Every swing is different.

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It all depends on consistency of it happens every time to same amount and you can compensate it consistently, nothing wrong with it!

This where it becomes touchy, it could be as simple as moving the foot to support hips, or command a complete overhaul of the posture. The important thing is to watch the plane lines as they too will shift around when we start to realign the setup to support the center of the swing. Using the arm/torso/leg length ratios to their advantage is also key. I would not have someone with a smaller arm ratio promote a steeper swing and vice versa. It can be a complicated change, or it can be a very simple change. My best advice to anyone is to always go to a teaching professional (that has done this for many years) that has a good client base and reputation.

Yeah man! Sorry I totally forgot the tree lighting ceremony in the city. Wife reminded me this morning 😂