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People who don't listen to Frank Zappa are like flat-Earthers.

So, if Charlie Daniels denied being progressing rock...? 🤔

Sgt. Pepper is prog rock to the core.

If you were there to see the 70's it becomes a part of you. Lucky me. I've seen the best.

Laura often made up words or expressions that were uniquely her own. Surry. Tendaberry. Winter was a snowbell. Love weyll. That was part of her artistry. She was a poet. Sometimes the sound of the word was more important than the meaning. For me 'surry down to a stone soul picnic' conjured up a visual of different kinds of people coming together on a sunny day for a groovy picnic. You said she only used a couple chords, but the bridge is really quite harmonically interesting.

They were the very first band I saw live. Absolutely loved them and still listen to them today..

It’s not that they don’t like his music, it’s that Frank Zappa was a total prick

Zappa: “you’re all dumb” Ween: “we’re all dumb “

Prog is pretty underrated these days. Even bands who were once well known like Yes or ELP are rarely played on the radio these days and you only really hear the post Hackett era of Genesis on the radio.

My problem with ween doesn’t lie in the band itself, but in the fact that they are embraced by the jam band community, and so a large percentage of their fans are jam band people, who are awful. Jam band people are the absolute worst music fans to be around.

Rush?

This channel is some sort of joke then?

He's exaggerating. This must be a joke. I mean look at this guy.

Is this some kind of joke channel? I don't get it. It's not really funny but must be a joke channel. I would see AI but no intelligence.

This was such a waste of everyone's time. What is this a joke channel or something?

Zappa’s lyrics are sour to the point where it feels like he is being “whiny”? For lack of a better word. He combines that with being notoriously pretentious about composition and how to play the guitar “right”. Never gotten a hint of any of that from Ween despite their lyrics being much more chaotic. Deaner is spot on about Zappa

Can someone confirm the rumor that live, Bill played LOUD!

How can this music qualify for those labels thrown at it in comparison to today’s world of self absorbed, narcissistic, self indulgent ‘ME’ culture mind poison passed off as music ?? Most of the time it is so infantile in lyrical and musical content it is pure insult to any higher mind focus and is deliberately created that way for all the mindless sensory junkies to yum up by the bucket or happy meal.

people read RS magazine???

I ain't gonna sing you no love song How my heart is all sore Will not beg your indulgence Cause you heard it before FZ

Dip your toe in with 'You Are What You Is' or 'Sheik Yerbouti'. An easilly accessable start point. Then roll back to Apostrophe, Overnight Sensation & One Size Fits All. Not forgetting The Man from Utopia. As for Ween, no comparison. But brilliant.

I honestly don’t care what anyone says, this is my favorite album of all time.

I think ween can embrace a less acerbic tone because Zappa and others took aim at the pretense and self-importance of artists, politicians, and the like.

Look now, the world the world in my hands We'll see it relish in the span of a guy knowingly tranced Inbetween ever-laughing scream of the taunted and begged moose So easy to get lost in the buttocks of lads Your blood is the slew-styled knight corpse And see the outward size to make it to thyself In which I'm fully locked off and safe And it's going to rain and lies spread to the land To avoid it you masturbate the philosophers The dawn of the first flight rings an idea Beaconing back, by illusions of things that you touch Tired of missing beauty and life and such Balance is for men, who learn to know

Who cares? They will never be as relevant or prolific as Frank Zappa. Some of the most talented professional musicians around the world have formed bands to perform Zappa's music, as a labor of love, whether exactly as written or interpreting it. I don't think Ween will ever be respected or loved as much. One of the best out here is Ed Palermo's Big Band. His live shows are a joy and often Zappa alumni's like Napoleon Murphy Brown or Mike Keneally among others drop in

This was concise?! Ultimately, you seem to have gotten the feel and message of this singularly great song, but not before going off on some idiotic, cerebral tangents. When you call Laura's upper range "obnoxious", it's an opinion you are entitled to, but to me it says more about you than the artist. (I don't love it either, but it's her being her.) She invented many words in her songs, e.g. 'tendaberry', 'lovelight', 'lovething'. You won't find them in any dictionary, but the song tells you everything you need to know if you have the soul to hear it. Btw, 'stoned' in this song and in the 60s did not need to mean LSD, just blissed out - on weed, wine, Nature, good vibes, good friends, etc. One definition says "soul revealing - amen to that! Try a little less Stone Cold Creamery fare, and more of the natural stuff when listening to Nyro and other soul singers.

I feel like on paper it sounds like frank does what you say he does but in practice he doesnt. Does he think he's better than everyone else? I don't think so but the way you're explaining it make it sound like he does. That steve vai story was very clearly frank messing with steve because he already got the part. Frank DID write sincere songs. Check out the some of the stuff on "freak out". Check out "uncle remus". Frank also wrote a lot of just silly songs similar to ween that aren't really putting down anyone like lots of the Joe's garage album, apostrophe, over-nite sensation, "Conehead". I feel like this is acting like Zappa songs are either instrumental or something on "have i offended someone". Ultimately I do think it's a valid critique on especially some of the early 80s albums where songs were either instrumental or attacking some group, or part of society.

It’s true that most prog originated in the UK, you left out mention of two of the most incredible prog bands. One from Canada ( Rush) and the best of all, from the U.S. (Kansas). Kansas has always been my favorite, and Kerry Livgren is the finest prog composer, orchestrator, lyricist, and multi-instrumentalist.

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To be fair, sure Frank often spoke and wrote in a very professorial tone, he was almost always the smartest guy in the room. Understandable, if ya think about it

Ween is absolutely inferior to Frank Zappa.

I discovered Be-Bop Deluxe on the radio in Spokane, Washington, in the States. Live In The Air Age was my first and favorite album of theirs. As so much of Bill's music is visually stunning, how are they not on sound tracks of movies and shows?

I love you, even if you don't.

Pretty good vid, until you did that adorable part where you couldn't pronounce that guys name, and you tried and failed a few times. That was so cute I stopped watching. Very GEN Z, dawg. Thumbs down. Try harder.

I have a love hate relationship with Zappa. The songs with dumb lyrics like "I am the Slime", and "The Torture Never Stops" drive me nuts. But his instrumentals, like Peaches en Regalia", "Zoot Allures", or "The Dog Breath Variations" are pure genius.

1) "Prog" is more of an adventurous attitude than a genre, 2) in my world, the words "pompous" and "pretentious" are not dirty, but can be quite the opposite, as they often stand for "grand searching," "spiritual" and "sensual," and 3) at its height, it is the best genre there ever was, is and will be. The day "prog" dies out (it will never happen, of course) music dies. And of course Zappa and Bush were prog! Can't think of more innovative composers than those two.

Every single song is a joke? This dude has obviously listened to about 1 Percent of Zappa's music. Zappa made joke song because he got bored with making some of the best music ever.

love ween 'ate zappa simple as

I've been listening to prog since 1979 and only just discovered Gentle Giant 😮 Try Curved Air if you already haven't. Cheers 😊

Who the fuck is this guy

To the VERY London-centric music industry, a band from an unfashionable northern town (city, actually) was low down on their totem pole. I doubt that Bill Nelson cares much - he's still a highly respected musician and artist, which by the standards of most people in the Arts is the ultimate measure of success.

Petition to get Rolling Stone discontinued, it's literally is one of my pet peeves

This ia a really good intro to prog, I hope you keep doing this kind of stuff!

I am a huge Zappa fan (I love Ween too), and I agree with your general assessment. However, I think a huge detail is overlooked in any comparison or summary of Zappa is he fought his whole career for some of the things we take for granted. Yes, he was a pioneer, but his means to that was his aggressiveness. His first album was in 1966, which contained a song about the (now forgotten) Watts riots, and he made it into the first double album in Rock & Roll (if that label applies). He, in fact, fought to crank out 5 records out of a 3- record deal. On those albums, he verbally fought The Conservative Right (Pigs = cops etc.) and the mindless drug, drug-addled Left (Ponies = phony hippies). He fought to own the rights to his music (almost never done back then and rare today). He fought to not be labeled in any one genre. He fought to film the very first full-length movie on videotape (unwatchable as it is, but 200 Motels was the first). He fought the Democratic Party Wives who started Lyric Warning labels and then told people to vote for them because the Republicans were worse. I think Zappa was smarter than most, but he also was committed to breaking the system of stupidity. He never finished, but we are better for his commitment and the actions of those who listened. I can imagine that once you surround yourself with enough people who agree with you, reality is out of touch. I assume that he was surrounded by people who were as upset as he was and opted to stay angry. One of the people Frank worked with was Lenny Bruce, who killed himself to avoid going to jail for pushing the edge of his right to free speech. Like Lenny, Frank changed things that we have no idea used to be the norm. I say he earned the right to be an asshole.

Any band that allows humor in their songs, but doesn't meet the definition of a comedy band is, in fact, a human band.

This was dooooope!!!!

Rush: Gryffindor Yes: Hufflepuff Genesis: Ravenclaw Pink Floyd: Slytherin

It's interesting how close Progressive Rock and Classic Heavy Metal were in the beginning, the two genres basically evolving from heavy psychedelic rock, and in the early days some bands swam between them before falling on one side or the other, like Deep Purple (and arguably even Led Zeppelin).

Gryphon - Red Pawn to …queens heart? Or something like that. Featuring bassoon to great measure

It's pronounced Vinnie Colly-Yuta.