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Yes, both had their moments but were mostly clean

I’m too young for that, but he stacked up well against Ayrton

I never claimed to be an expert

@@nedzosf1gridbox I was not pointing a finger at you mate, no criticism there. You mentioned experts. I find there are too many wallies out there on TV and on the internet that blab on like they're experts yet none of them have ever actually driven a Formula 3 car let alone an F1 car. Your vid was spot on.

I will defend Hungary 2010, he left one cars width, that’s the rule

@@nedzosf1gridbox still not the best treatment of his ex-teammate who made a vital part to achieve his 2003 title.

@nikitamedvedev4696 as I said in the video, nice guys don’t win, you shouldn’t make concessions for people who you’re fighting against

Oh yeah sending Frentzen into the gravel while it was in reality the fault of the marshal who was supposedly signaling the drivers leaving the pit to watch for other cars. When Schumacher exited he was NOT at his post!

This is very Lewis biased. He mainly went for gaps that weren’t there in 2011, perfect examples are Massa and Maldonado in Monaco. To brush them off as just racing incidents seems very biased

@@nedzosf1gridbox Like I said, reasonable people can disagree. I see Massa opening the door, Lewis going through it, and a panicked Massa choosing to crash into him. At least most of the time.

@@nicomeier8098 bro didn’t watch the video

Please make it stop. By Max's own standard, Lewis was entitled to the entire width of the track, plus another 30 meters of runoff. Max necessarily turned inn one Lewis and hit him, causing Max to crash. End of.

@@nostooge blud yapping with the smarts of the average farm mule

@@Jalopezlag If you want to go down that route, this whole thread will devolve into people shouting "Na*i C*nt!!" at each other.

@@nostooge I don't need to go further down the route you've already proved you don't understand racing at all.

Crazy how I criticised both him and senna

The dirty professor ?

@@nedzosf1gridbox The stewards for the 1989 Japanese Grand Prix were John Watson, James Thompson, and Dennis Joswick,, pretty sure that John Watson has made this clear that there their decision was that Senna did not respect the racing line and was push started, it wasn't just the push start as often stated John Watson is still around and is going to be on FFS shortly, what not post a question and ask him to confirm that Balestre did not sway their decision fwiw - there was a lot of lead up to that corner, not only in the race but pretty much from the end of 1988 all through 89 - Prost had 5 team mates that were or would become F1 champions, don't remember Lauda, Rosberg, Hill calling Prost dirty, Murray Walker and Jackie Stewart called Senna dirty in interviews, Mansell didn't like Prost because Prost showed him a clean pair of heels in 1990 and Frank Williams offered the drive to Prost in 1993 over Mansell This season has seen some of the closest racing I've seen for a long time, 2025 is shaping up to be pretty good as well

Prost did turn in on senna at Suzuka 89, way before the usual turn in point. And he turns in weirdly, taking a few stabs at the wheel

Prost was crafty and did intentionally turn in at Suzuka early than normal but other than that he had no big moments

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm... interesting one still.

Are you one of those who call anyone who criticizes anything a "hater"? Because that's just pathetic.

@@nicomeier8098 Bro are you seeing the comments? basically an interaction online that would not have happened in real social interaction, which is what the comments are doing, sort of mob mentality. And your whole comment is weak, first making assumption about me "one of those people..." and second of no value "pathetic". Both bring nothing to address the whole thing. All I see is a bunch of emotionally driven comments including yours.

At least there is the universal constant that makes us all agree that we hate Stroll

True, people in F1 are just trying to dodge shitstorms and most of those come from the British media.

Correct with Senna statement. Only Schumi was warned after Jacques Sauber practice/quali incident by Max Mosely himself and he still did by knowing that he would be ripped in pieces by FIA.

Baku 2017, forgot about that. I’ll stand by what I said on Adelaide

A little wheel bump to get his attention totally blown out of proportion as only the entitled British are capable of.

Then don't bottle the first races and get into the lead. DNF makes no scence when your behind. It's all risk managment and mind games.

So Senna sending another driver clearly into the gravel (and even with possible injuries considering the safety standards at that time) is not dirty? Schumacher wasn't that hard

Lol

"Oops, I did it again".

@@DenUitvreter you have seen this video as well

Probably

Exactly

Lando's overtake on Russell was great in Brazil, but came to nothing when the red flag came. That's it.

Passing Max at Zandvoort.

Yeah, specifically on the track with piquet 😂

@ off the track the guy was Loki himself 😂 pure trickery and shenanigans

He (Piquet) was very clean when he starting fighting Eliseo Salazar when he got punted at the Ostkurve at Hockenheim in 1982

@ that’s a good one

Generally the majority of early F1 champions were very clean, because back in the day a crash could very easily also mean your death. So the drivers were very much motivated to keep things clean and tidy. Fangio, Clark, Hill, Moss, Ascari, Brabham, Stewart, Fittipaldi, and the others all fit this description. But since cars and tracks got safer and death is quite unlikely now, drivers like Schumacher or Verstappen can do what they do, because they're not scared of crashing anymore.

Exactly

At least when Senna was sending it into the inside, he attempted to keep the car inside the track, not what Maxi here was trying to do. And I like Max.

@ he sure tried to keep it on track in Suzuka 1990

⁠​⁠@@georgesantana3888para com isso jorge 🙌 but in all realness you're just splitting hairs

@@georgesantana3888 you dont know what you are talking about. 1990 in Japan would be a slamdunk disqualification if Max did that nowadays.

Yea

Suzuka he was racing on appeal and 10 seconds a lap must be an exaggeration

@@nedzosf1gridbox Fair enough, i still felt that counted as dirty as he was disqualified anyway. Having watched the race recently when Irvine made the overtake on the outside of Schumacher and Villeneuve on the same corner, i am almost certain he pulled out a 13 second lead in a lap to a lap and half. I can recheck it, i watched it last year.

@@nedzosf1gridbox I've checked it, my memory is definitely a little off he overtook them in separate corners on the same lap, pulled around 5 seconds on Villeneuve in the 1st lap the 4 seconds each on the next 2 laps, then Villeneuve was forced to pace up as it clearly falling into Ferrari's hands. Happy to correct myself and it's amazing what the memory does to warp itself, though 10 seconds was an exaggeration but it was definitely at least half that lol. So it was 13 seconds in 3 laps not a lap and a half.

Glad I have fans who are happy to engage in healthy conversation

@@nedzosf1gridbox Yes Social media can be a bit volatile with differing views, as we all become raging Narcissists that only see things as all good or all evil with no in-between. The lack of reasonable face to face discussions have definitely crippled our social etiquette over the last couple of decades.

A bit extreme but you’re right in that Lando does not know how to drive against Ver. If he wants to ever win a WDC he’s gotta learn from Lec and Ham. Alonso or maybe even George could fight, or at least be much closer, to Ver if they had the McLaren

I really don’t see the British bias at all here.

That explains a lot…

Because he famously won in the late season in 2008, had a great overall season in 2010, and the Ferrari also got a lot better in 2012, maybe it’s just that Aston Martin don’t know how to bring good upgrades mate

​@@nedzosf1gridboxThat Ferrari didn't get better in 2012, the Redbull and McLaren were just doing their best to lose races. His cars have generally gotten slower even in the two years he won titles, he will find a way to make the car slower.

@Don-Royall he went from struggling to get into Q3 on Saturdays and scraping decent results to regularly being in podium positions and getting top fives in qualifying, stop lying to discredit him

@@nedzosf1gridbox The car had some huge upgrade mid season and went back to back again. Finishing the season with 4,5,6, 9, 8.

@@nedzosf1gridbox This season still qualify as exactly with his trend in his career. His car for some weird season get slower, you can probably find only two year in his entire career with actual improvement as the season ends.

I also think it was because for example in F1 there were just less events, around 10 in Graham’s era

J’ai étudié le français pendant j’allais au l’école secondaire et au lycée. La chose seulement que je ne peux pas entendre c’est « BB ». J’aime ça quand j’obtienne une occasion quand je peux parler encore dans une langue que j’ai oublié!

​@@nedzosf1gridboxBrigitte Bardot.

Not so sure about that, for me the "coolest looking guy in F1 history" will always be François Cevert... and he surely didn't need Ray-Bans. 😍 But everyone to their own. 😉

​@@aoife1122 Keke is the peak male form. Then again, I'm American and even if Keke was broke and not a world champion, he'd be a hit with the ladies here.

Re-you-te-man

That’s literally how you pronounce Reutemann

@@nedzosf1gridbox I know... cept most English speaking pundits tend to use the "sort-of" German pronunciation to this day. Reminds me a bit of Marc Surer. ;)

@aoife1122 yea, I learnt Spanish in school so I try those pronunciations, only problem is that I can’t roll my R’s