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Carl Moore Music
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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 16 ธ.ค. 2010
Musician | Singer/Songwriter Producer | Engineer
Neumann U87Ai vs TLM49 | MMP Ep. 53
Viewers and listeners should understand that this is not a full shootout of the mentioned mics. However, it is a practical example of each mic in action. No post production processing has been added to each mic, however, output gain reduction was added to attempt perceived level matching.
#NEUMANN #TLM49 #u87 #Microphones #HomeStudio #CarlMooreMusic
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Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
0:13 - TLM49 | Manley Force Preamp
1:02 - U87Ai | Manley Force Preamp
1:52 - U87Ai | HA73 Preamp
2:19 - TLM49 | HA73 Preamp
2:42 - Video Sponsor
3:03 - U87Ai | Neve Newton (Red Silk)
3:29 - U87Ai | Neve Newton (Blue Silk)
3:54 - TLM49 | Neve Newton (Red Silk)
4:19 - TLM49 | Neve Newton (Blue Silk)
4:43 - HA73 Pre | Bluey Comp
5:34 - Manley Force Pre | Tubesessor Comp
6:23 - Final Thoughts
#NEUMANN #TLM49 #u87 #Microphones #HomeStudio #CarlMooreMusic
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Timecodes
0:00 - Intro
0:13 - TLM49 | Manley Force Preamp
1:02 - U87Ai | Manley Force Preamp
1:52 - U87Ai | HA73 Preamp
2:19 - TLM49 | HA73 Preamp
2:42 - Video Sponsor
3:03 - U87Ai | Neve Newton (Red Silk)
3:29 - U87Ai | Neve Newton (Blue Silk)
3:54 - TLM49 | Neve Newton (Red Silk)
4:19 - TLM49 | Neve Newton (Blue Silk)
4:43 - HA73 Pre | Bluey Comp
5:34 - Manley Force Pre | Tubesessor Comp
6:23 - Final Thoughts
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Well, maybe my ears are different, but I also hear a better bass on the 103 even in the mix. An no, eq will no make the mics sound the same. I have a pair of TLM 102 and I think the 103 price difference is noticeable.
You got the voice for Christmas music brother. Tis the season 🙌
@@intouch8789 appreciate the love. Here’s a link (below) to the playlist of my Christmas album last year. Working on something new for this year. th-cam.com/play/OLAK5uy_l-WnPttTj14GZ0g2tR_HBAJtQ8_ltIiiU.html&si=VZdX4SuxI3bP-pBI
Dude, your vocal sounds incredible here, dry. Are you sure there is no compression? Can you share your chain? Kind of sound like an SM7B
Appreciate the kind words! If I’m not mistaken, I’m using the Lauten audio Atlantis in the Gentle mode and the HA73 500series preamp from heritage audio
What about floor noise? Does it really matter?
It does matter but I haven’t had an issue with the mic in this video. I will note I have much more expensive mics that are a lot noisier than this one though. I try to strategically use the noisy mics I have
@ Thanks for the response. Always good to hear from experienced guys & excellent singers like you! Between the Manley reference mic & Telefunken copperhead, which would you pick for your singing ? I’m trying to get their GTZ clones !
Yo man wondering if you prefer tracking vocals with iem over headphones
c414 for me! more presence in the high end frequencies, TLM sounds a little more flat and less detailed than I would expect for such a highly touted mic, but both sound really really great!
I'm returning my 103 for a 251. It sounds good but lacks directness and detail when it come to transfers.
Boy ! Love the jazz song & the chords! Where can I hear the full song?
What about the GTZ29+
Mojave 301 is my go to for my voice. I choose it over the u87 and Atlantis. Amazing review as usual.
The SM57 holds it all
@@BILLY-px3hw hahaha great pun! I need to revisit this video with other Mics against the sm57. Thanks for checking out the video and stopping by the channel!
dang dude, you're good! love the sound and the vibe from these two mics. you've probably already mastered, but your beautiful voice needs to be brought up in the mix center stage.
@@nhojcam thanks for the kind words, checking out the video and stopping by the channel. For all of my mic reviews, the entire concept is not mixed. My intent is to display the mics and their characteristics. You can tell by the lack of leveling and inconsistencies in the performance. The final version is on digital platforms though. Here’s a Spotify link but you can listen to it on any outlet you regularly listen to digital music: open.spotify.com/album/6T2THd6hEJ3MKunt6AErRY?si=uhlCJe70RYS2s4vfaRHNOA
Does anyone think the TLM49 is inferior quality to the U87Ai?
Have you tried the Manley ref cardiod ?
th-cam.com/video/2gy_p8oMZ8I/w-d-xo.htmlsi=xs3R_xjNxM8NfdVf
Carl!!! Great video as always man! I know this isn't suppose to be a "one is better than the other" type of video, but I definitely prefer the sound of the U87. I've realized that the TLM49 has a more pinched/nasally sounding midrange that i'm not the biggest fan of, especially when compared to the U87 midrange. And man the figure 8 pattern on the U87 is so good! I recorded an acoustic singer songwriter album where I used it on the artist vocal and there was so little guitar in the recording I was speechless! The null point is so good!
This is an interesting take on the TLM49 mids! I respect it. When you say pinched do you feel like a certain point is more focused like there’s a narrower bell around that area? The newton silk blue on the TLM49 was my favorite option of what I put together in this video. The u87 is consistent. I just personally don’t feel like it moves me in the way other vintage mics do. I realize comparing it to mics below its quality point keep it elevated, but I feel like the mics that punch above it showcase another level of desirable qualities… at least for me and what I expect from “high end” mics. Thanks as always for interacting with me on the videos and supporting the channel!
@CarlMooreMusic Haha yea very different take than most people, but yes that is exactly what I mean! It's like someone applied a big boost with a narrow Q somewhere between 800Hz-2kHz. That's what I hear in the midrange compared to other clips of mics I've listened to over the past few months. I do agree the TLM49 sounded best with the Newton channel! Of course man, always gotta support!
I hope this song is out this is fire bro, new sub
Love ya voice bro, reminds me dwele
Great Video, I also sing i would like to know which is your go-to microphone and which is your favorite you've tried? thanks
Thanks for checking out the video commenting. Whenever I’m asked this question, I always respond the same way. I can’t say that I have a favorite microphone but I do have goto mics/ideas for specific sources and tonal goals. U87ai, 414xls, Lauten Audio Atlantis are 3 all around mics that I use on anything from lead vocals all the way to drum Overheads to hand percussion. I can’t think of my favorite mic that I’ve tried but I really like Elam 251s
@CarlMooreMusic Anytime I'll be back if you keep em coming, love the content, and I need that song plz "God have his way" I really love your demonstration with the mics in that song. Overall I like how you showcase the mics it gives me a idea on what I'm looking. Hope we can collab someday as well 🙏🏾 cheers bro
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@@DoctorBrute appreciate the kind words!
Always awesome to see a new video from you!! Cheers :)
@@DapperDanLovesYou much appreciation for the support!!
I really appreciate the effort you put into making this comparison. I liked the clean samples really. For some reason I find Black Lion Audio 1176 a bit annoying and the full music samples do not sound very... convincing, like the voice and the arrangement weren't meant to be together, so to say, lol. But i really appreciate it, thanks.
Thank you for checking out the video and commenting
I love my tlm49. It’s got a vintage vibe and a mid-rangey color that’s perfect for my baritone. It handles the lows so smooth with beautiful, detailed highs and doesn’t grab onto my nasally qualities. This is a bare-bones premium mic that punches way above its price point.
Couldn’t agree more. Sometimes I feel like good is what works without issues and should be considered “standard” and in my personal opinion, more mics should possess that trait like this mic does.
Great video and just at the right time. There are really mot enough videos on the Tlm 49🔥
@@mikereisert2803 I would agree. I’ve always felt like this mic should get more love. Thanks for checking out the video and stopping by the channel!
@CarlMooreMusic I'll probably buy the TLM 49 soon but I'm still not sure if I shouldn't reach for the U87 Ai
It’s the more versatile tool for sure but the TLM49 made me respect the neve newton more in this example. Both red and blue silk options served extremely usable purposes here and the fact that it’s a channel strip with relevant options makes It even more of a plus. There’s no EQ engaged here just light compression for basic containment made me also realize how well the TLM49 takes EQ. All and all, both mics will do the job… just depends on the job needed
@CarlMooreMusic thanks for the info! I mainly want to record rap vocals, so I guess it should be enough. I've also seen that Bushido, the most selling German rapper has recorded some songs with a tlm 49 so I really think it should be enough for my purposes. As for external preamps and compressors I guess I'm just going to aim for the Apollo Twin X to begin with. Do you think that it's going to be enough?
@mikereisert2803 to be honest, I don’t utilize gear because other people use it. When you consider a commercial artists like the one you’ve mentioned, he’s probably recording in an extremely nice sounding/intentional recording studio. Room tone plays a big factor. Another element is conversion. Modern gear has improved vastly, but your artist could be (and often times are) experiencing a truer more accurate sonic capture with better converters. My goal is always to test a piece of gear and understand what it’s doing as it pertains to my needs sonically and my audio setup. I’ve returned gear from “high end” brands because it didn’t serve the purpose I identified. I said all this to say, I don’t think you’d be disappointed at all with the TLM49 but try/test it yourself and make that determination. Hopefully this helps
I love my TLM49 but it doesn't get a lot of love in the forums. Glad to see it featured and holding up well.
I’m right there with you. Not that long ago I had a client who needed some v/o work for some 30 sec & 60 sec radio ads and they were more than happy with the TLM49 for the final takes. I use it with no issues at all. It’s held up well for me too. Thanks for stopping by the channel, checking out the video and commenting!
The big problem with the TLM49, which wasn't shown here, is it's built in compression circuit - it doesn't take loud passages, or belting, well at all...
U87ai has one as well, no?
@@LoveAxe No, U87ai has a minimal signal chain: one FET, and a transformer, that's it - this minimalism makes up a big part of it's excellence. The U87ai stands sturdy till it starts clipping, while the TLM49 has much more headroom, but starts sounding faint and thin at higher volumes.
Note taken that could’ve been shared but in a realistic scenario for me, I would swap out the mic if it was too much of an overload or I wouldn’t holler like that into the mic. I don’t think what was mentioned are details that take away from the solid product the TLM49 yields. Thanks for the comment.
@@CarlMooreMusic Welcome, and thanks so much for this beautiful performance, Carl - I came for the mics, but stayed for the music. Yes, horses for courses - I just think it's important to know were the limits of the TLM49 are, and for vocals, that's anything loud: Opera, RnB belting etc... it's the more important to know this, as it sounds great on lower volume vocals.
@tom_k_d thank you for the kind words. I’ve actually found similar traits with a bunch of mics on the market. Some with the bigger names and reputable badges. Audible overloading when moderate or low levels on a pre. I just try my best to pay attention to gain staging on those mics.
Hi Carl, I own both as well and I love my TLM49.
@@frubo_ssg I think the price tag deters potential owners but I dig that mic too. For me, It’s been used on a bunch of projects! Thanks for checking out the channel and commenting!
Biased on the 87 and no I don’t own it but I when I hear it, I love it. But with my eyes closed, the 49 and neve is super good man
@@eleven27mediagroup dude that u87 and silk red is money! That combo made me appreciate the newton channel strip more! No EQ engaged and just light compression. Levels are a little more jumpy than I’d like for a final Vox but throwing in another comp in that chain would be all I needed. Thanks bro for interacting with the channel as always and watching!
Cool video!! If you’re into old rack gear I’ve just uploaded a few videos!! Thanks for this video
Definitely appreciate the kind words. I’ll be heading over to your channel
The tlm 103 is the winner the Akg is good but more harsh and sibilant the 103 a bit warmer and rounded
Interesting take. I respect the opinion. I don’t agree that it’s a clear winner because if you need multiple polar patterns it’s a wrap with the 103 but I do feel like it’s a usable microphone.
@ I agree the Akg does have more versatility
Mfc don’t answer emails or social media
Interesting. I’ll try to reach out to them myself
@ please do I am trying to get work done
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If I get my hands on one I’ll do a review for sure
I wanted the Stam to win but my ears don’t lie. The Neumann wins.
Ehh I think it depends on the tonal goal. If you want accentuated top end, the u87 isn’t going to give you that. I’m happy with whah the SA800G offers and when I need that tone, it nails it. Plus it takes processing well. Thanks for checking out the channel, watching the video and commenting
thanks for the video, what exactly were the mods done on the cv12 sounds great. do you know the cost
I’m 100% not sure as the mic came modded. I didn’t send it into them but it was sold this way. I could look at the specs of the original avantone mic and see what BLA lists on their website.
Manley force and M251 sparkles!!
It certainly does!!! And I have decided for myself that I’m getting a 2nd mic!! Thanks for checking out the video and stoping by the channel!
The 102 has a bump on the low end that sounds cool but you get a fullness out of the 103 that I feel would work for more voices overall. The 102 also has something on the high end that I can't really name but it sounds almost not broad enough on the high end boost.
I personally prefer the low end of the 102 over the 103. If they were to make that adjustment, I believe it would change the nature of the 103 in a positive direction in my opinion. Thanks for checking out the video and stopping by the channel
@CarlMooreMusic Definitely think so. I love your videos. I would love to see more Mojave mics if possible. I feel like they took Neumann's sound and added a thickness to the midrange. I love the Mojave MA-50 but I don't see it anywhere on TH-cam .
@flashiestfreshman I’m got the 201 fet and I like it. Sizzle on that top end but it’s a solid mic. I just need to get my hands on some of royers other condensers. I am working on a few videos of his ribbons
I can see the Antelope Orion SC. , love it!
I’m a big fan of Antelope Audio. This is actually the 2017 Orion studio but it still punches hard. Thanks for commenting on the video!
The difference in the microphones can easily be made nonexistent through basic equalization, so the price difference considered, the 102 is definitely the better bargain here by far.
yo great stuff - you remind me of me back in the mid 2000's - if i stumble on this joint i did i will forward to you. These days in my life i am recording country, do you think the TLM 102 is good for it ?
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Great content as always. Yeah, people need to stop worrying about the gear they have and focus on the most important thing - the music.
Great Word of encouragement and conviction depending on who's listening 👀. Heard and received. Thanks for sharing its always appreciated
Both mics sounded great. That being said, I would never let go of the SA 87T. If they ever go out of production it would be practically impossible to replace and I would hate to imagine how their price would skyrocket on the used market. You're a lucky man to have one!
Ima a fan of the sa87T for sure! It’s versatile and it has a vibe to it in my opinion. I don’t plan to get rid of it at any point. Thanks for checking out the video, commenting and stopping by the channel!
All these mics sound really good and can have their own place in a studio. For me, the TLM49 has the most polished sound. But for this price range I would pick the Stam SA87T which I think is above all of these mics from here. Great review you did on the SA87T too! Cheers!
I'm not feeling mid range of the utfet47 but its nothing that cant be fixed with a lil eq... still an amazing mic. The TLM49 just sounds more balanced to me and like less work in post. Both sound good but that TLM49 is shining in this shootout
I think it sounded more 3 dimensional on your Voice. Doesnt fit any Voice, but your Voice Pops out of the mix extremly well!
@@finngleitze5712 thanks for the comment! I kept the mic for as long as I could. I just didn’t feel like it offered a variant tone from the other options in my locker. My subjectivity is speaking but I feel like the F mode on the Eden does a better job than this mic and it has more features useful for the recordings I work on. Goes without saying, interactions like this mean a great deal. Thanks for stopping by the channel.
Like you voice so much . great singing too!
Thank you for the kind words!
I just bought the atlantis after hearing you talk so much about it, I mean, if someone who sings so well tells me it has more weight, apart from your songs on spotify are great
@@sand8286 appreciate the kind words and finding my music on Spotify. The Atlantis is an awesome mic. I hope you enjoy it
Great work Fam! 🔥
Much appreciation for the love! Trying my best to present good quality work
Ohh my god the link mod Sounds soo good. It has this Sony low end power and the smooth creamy highs. The normal wa8000 is ok for the Price, lows are a Little Bit thin and the highs harsh but for the Price ok. Stam is better than the wa8000 but flat and boring sounding. For me the winner is the link Mod. 1. link mod max 2. Stan 3. wa8000 normal
Surely appreciate your comment here. I was grateful MFC Network inquired on how I wanted my mic voiced. I asked for the option of a little more low end and it worked out for the best
The best part of this mic is made in the USA 🇺🇸
me looking at his amazing lighting and videography man you are doing great DPMO😭 just subbed tho cus u seem cool and well informed
@@jediae can’t say thank you enough for the kind words. Trying my best to provide insightful, relevant content that helps music creators reach their goals.
@@jediae thank you for the sub!!!! People don’t know how far that stuff goes!
@@CarlMooreMusic in my eyes you are doing amazing and are very on par with “bigger” creators so KEEP IT UP!