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Well I have told my Children as for me and my house we are going to serve the Lord, God promises if I will train you up in the way you should live, when you grow up you will not turn away. They did try to say I get free will! Well you do for a season, But Son I have been given a promise that you will be saved. So your in Luck. You don't have to go to Hell.

Jn 1:1 and the Word was #God Phil 2:6 who, being in the #form of #God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God Jn :14 And the Word became #flesh Phil 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the #form of a #bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. Can God cease being divine?

My goodness, everywhere I look, I see false prophets. The Scriptures DO NOT teach Gnostic philosophy. Logos simply means word/speech (and it's synonymous with the Gospel) and not a person. The Septuagint has logos allover the place and NOBODY ever taught it was a person, ever!! The word became flesh at Jesus His baptism, that is the moment He started His ministry and went to preach/teach about the Kingdom of God and Salvation NOT before. Before all of that, Jesus was growing up in wisdom with God and men, living under the Law, reading the Scriptures in the Synagouge, obeying His God and Father, working as a Carpenter. That was UNTIL Jesus was ready to be presented to Israel by John the Baptist! All of this philosophical JUNK has *nothing* whatsoever to do with the Scriptures!!!

The Logos is not a person. Arians are not true Unitarians.

The "plan" understanding of BU is only one way of understanding this text. So no, we're not denying it. "Logos" could also refer to the wisdom of God and it can become flesh, perfectly fitting his understanding. However Tim in this short clipped video did not address the idea that the logos templed among them. This is clearly a reference to the real God(the Father) abiding in His Son via His spirit. Tim is also avoiding the actual context of the entire 1st chapter thinking it necessarily refers to Genesis creation. It can also be referring to the new creation in the spiritual realm. Why? Because it jumps straight to John's baptisms, disputation with religious leaders and then the baptism of Jesus. It is a bit anachronistic to necessarily say John 1 is referring to Genesis creation and then without question jumps straight to John's ministry thousands of years later.

Stafford is more and more Demonic Dude couldn’t be more wrong and He doesn’t see it

"Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power." (Ephesians 3:7) "Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?" (Job 9:12) "Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker? Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly:" (Job 4:17-18) "And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her." (Genesis 20:6) "Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him." (Isaiah 43:7) "He knew what he would do." (John 6:6) "For I know their works and their thoughts." (Isaiah 66:18) "For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us." (Isaiah 33:22) "The Lord preserveth the simple: I was brought low, and he helped me." (Psalm 116:6) "For thou hast delivered my soul from death, mine eyes from tears, and my feet from falling." (Psalm 116:8) "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." (Luke 16:31) "And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil." (Joel 2:13) "The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and he knoweth them that trust in him." (Nahum 1:7) "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is." (1 John 3:1-2) "Walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called." (Ephesians 4:1) "The people willingly offered themselves." (Judges 5:2) "For the Lord hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure." (Psalm 135:4) "But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him." (Acts 10:35) "But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared." (Mark 10:40) "Chosen before of God." (Acts 10:41) "Whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins." (Acts 10:43) "And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge." (Exodus 31:3) "Thinkest thou this to be right, that thou saidst, My righteousness is more than God's?" (Job 35:2) "Return, O Lord, deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake." (Psalm 6:4) "The Lord hath heard my supplication; the Lord will receive my prayer." (Psalm 6:9) "How much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" (Luke 11:13) "Blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it." (Luke 11:28) "When my spirit was overwhelmed within me, then thou knewest my path." (Psalm 142:3) "Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?" (Romans 2:4) "God has called you into the grace of Christ." (Galatians 1:6) "God has called you by his grace to reveal his Son in you." (Galatians 1:15-16) "He openeth also their ear to discipline, and commandeth that they return from iniquity." (Job 36:10) "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required:" (Luke 12:48) "Teach me to do Thy will, for Thou art my God. Thy Spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness." (Psalm 143:10) "If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:" (Deuteronomy 30:4) "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise." (Hebrews 10:36) "Be thou exalted, Lord, in thine own strength: so will we sing and praise thy power." (Psalm 21:13) "O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." (Jeremiah 10:23) "And every wise hearted among you shall come, and make all that the Lord hath commanded;" (Exodus 35:10)

*Calvinism is a FALSE GOSPEL.* Jesus died for *ALL of us* (John 1:29), (John 3:16,17), (John 4:42), (2 Corinthians 5:14, 15), (Romans 5:18), (1 Timothy 2:6), (1 Timothy 4:10,11)... etc. A “god” who, being able to choose, chose the *immense majority* of humans to be destroyed in hell!!, not to be saved… *is NOT a loving God, is NOT a merciful God.* My calvinist friend, you are not better than anyone. God didn't see anything special in you. Nothing. You are not worth a cent more than any of the billions of souls that your “god” is going to send to hell without any possibility of choice. The only reason God could choose you without violating His character, without being a respecter of persons, (Romans 2:11) is because He knew in advance that you would respond positively to His call. “For many are called, but few *CHOSEN.* ” (Matthew 22:14) *FREE WILL = LOVE!!* "I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; *CHOOSE,* therefore..." (Deuteronomy 34:19). Also, *the Bible does NOT say that we are totally depraved beings.* Be very careful friends! This statement could well come from the mouth of satan himself, who is completely depraved. *We still carry the image of God!* Let's not forget it. And because of that, we can *BELIEVE* and respond freely to God's call for salvation. *That limited atonement is an abomination.* Heresy of great caliber. There is nothing exclusive or limited about the cross. Nothing!! *He paid for ALL our sins* (Isaiah 53:6), (1 John 2:2), (John 12:47), (1 John 4:14), (Titus 2:11), (Hebrews 2:9). That is why Jesus commands us to preach to every creature in every nation. Irresistible grace? Not only is it a heretical concept (Acts 7:51), but it is absurd in its essence. Grace is a gift by definition. A gift that cannot be refused... is not a gift, it is an imposition. *Once saved, always saved, no matter what you do, it is one of the devil's biggest and best lies.* The Spirit of God is not up to nonsense! The entire New Testament is full of warnings, from Jesus and Paul, against apostasy. Warning someone of a danger that does not exist is stupid. The Spirit of God would never do such a thing. We need to study the Bible, but we urgently need to take off our Calvin glasses so we can see. Prayer and fasting. By the way, cessationism is another heresy. *All* the gifts of the Holy Spirit operate today for the glory of the Lord. God wants you to know it. (Sorry for my english) *THE END IS NEAR.*

Sam and James white should debate each other on stage

Can't listen to this in light of his history of sexual sin and deception. He's been kicked out of FAI. for a history and repeated episodes of immoral activity.

What? Because a poetic verse of the Praise to God says "one day for God is a thousand years for us" this means that God is bound by time? How bluntly literal can you be? This verse is clearly metaphorical, because it is trying to grasp the concept of God's timelessness in a way human's can understand. It's actually a praise of God for the glory of His timelessness. A "day" means nothing from God's perspective because He doesn't live on a planet with a sun. But we cam worship Him using language like this if it helps us speak forth something that really be put into words. Shall we also say that God (the eternal substance of God, not Jesus) has hands because the binle says "great are the works of your hands"? This is just silly...

Why speculate when these two can debate it publicly. I think it would be great

Sorry Sam , you are simply wrong on this matter!

In Jeremiah 31 God said He would make a New covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. So when Jesus took the kingdom from the unbelieving Jews he gave the kingdom to believing Jews (Matthew 21:43 - this transition period was from 30 AD to 70 AD). So the believing Gentiles are wild olive branches being grafted into the people of Israel and Judah who are trusting in Jesus. All unbelieving Jews (broken off branches) and unbelieving Gentiles (wild olive tree) are not connected to the root of the olive tree, Israel & Judah. Only believers in Jesus are connected to the olive tree of Israel and Judah (the church/assembly/ekklesia of God). This means the Israel of God from the Old Testament continues on forever in the New Testament, but in the new covenant all of its members know God. No one has to teach their neighbor to know God like they had to do under the Mosaic covenant. =========================== By the way, the word for church (ekklesia in Greek) in the New Testament is the same word to describe Israel in the Septuagint (Greek translation of the Old Testament). Numbers 14 : 5 "Then Moses and Aaron fell facedown in front of the whole Israelite ASSEMBLY gathered there." Deuteronomy 31 : 30 "And Moses recited the words of this song from beginning to end in the hearing of the whole ASSEMBLY of Israel" Psalms 22 : 22 "I will declare your name to my people; in the ASSEMBLY I will praise you." Matthew 16 : 18 "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my CHURCH, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it." Acts 8 : 3 "But Saul began to destroy the CHURCH. Going from house to house, he dragged off both men and women and put them in prison." Colossians 1 : 24 "Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the CHURCH."

I'm so glad I am a pantheist and I don't have to try to make sense of any of this stuff. Sounds like arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

What we consider as a day unless you dispute Truth is not the same. 2 Peter 3:8...temporal is Shiva, Buddha and any false gods of mimicry with inclusion of fault, sin and betrayals. Man does enjoy trying to climb that same old tower of Babel... fin.

The first to guys talking about their processions dogma need to go back and read their bible. For God speaking through his angel calls himself The Existing One so He alone operated outside of time if there was anyone else or anything else with him then the concept of time comes into being. That is why in Isaiah God says he created all things by himself with no beside him. To say that someone created for him would nullify his timelessness.

This sounds like doctrines of demons not of Christ. He knew peoples thoughts he transcended time because he knew was “man” made. And you also completely trample the words of Christ himself when he claims to be ALPHA AND OMEGA, the 1st and the last.. repent the time is at hand. Revelation 1:8 King James Version 8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

The more I find out about Arianism, the more I can understand why Catholics went to such extreme lengths in order to snuff out this ontologically bankrupt nonsense.

If God is temporal, then God is limited. If God is limited, He isn't God.

That would mean that God isn’t Omniscient or Omnipotent, which the Bible does say

Sam… lol…. Be nice the brethren lol

Sam… lol…. Be nice the brethren lol

If you have to use fancy wordplay in a verse to rescue your Calvinistic pet doctrine, maybe your pet doctrine is a false doctrine.

The tragedy of Sam Shamoun... 😢

Their resistance was ordained of God, Jn 12:39, "Therefore they could not believe, because Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them." The Jew's rejection of Christ was a judicial blindness ordained by God because of their rebellion. Because of the rebellion of the Jew's God in his sovereignty always intended to set them aside so that he could reveal more of the mystery of his will. This mystery was revealed to Paul and is found in Eph.3:6, "That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel." Matt. 23:37-39 has more to do with the sovereign purposes of God than any thing else. Jesus was not giving the why behind their rejection. He was just stating the fact and the consequences of their rebellion. Truth is God always had a bigger and wider plan than just the Jew's. Praise the Lord he uses the sinfulness of men to fulfill his purposes. This was not a contingency plan or plan b it was always in the mind of God to fulfill his plans through the actions of angels and humans and because he knew all he coordinated them to absolute perfection. My final thing I want to say is this. Don't get so lost in your Greek that you forget to compare scripture with scripture.

Imagine unironically thinking that Sam Shamoun could refute James White. OOOOOOF.

Welcome to the world of Calvinism. The following words found throughout holy Scripture will now be highly logically problematic - both to the natural reasonable man, and the spiritually illumined one: "If" "Reward" "Choose" "Punishment" (now practically meaningless and totally incoherent in light of the Reformed theory of compatibalism and irresistible / effectual grace) The following words will now also have to be somewhat "tweaked" (utterly changed from what they clearly and simply mean)... "Love" "Desires" "World" "Sovereign" "Whoever" "All" Finally you need to get used to cherry picking a couple of verses outside of the context of the entire swathe of the Book, Epistle or Gospel where they are found, and conflate and confuse individual justification / incorporation into Christ with corporate ministry and election. Oh! And please DO NOT research about how Augustine of Hippo practically reinvented the meaning of the word "Predestination" or the view of the human will and its relation to the Divine one as it was classically understood in the early Christian Church, and how one of his greatest fans - John Calvin - picked up this novel (non Christian) doctrine (double predestination) in the 16th century and stuck it on steroids: John Calvin calling it "the terrible doctrine" - which it is of course - but not for the same reasons he was applying the term... Now that you're a Calvinist you will be keenly aware that this doctrinal system (see the doctrines of grace) seems to tarnish the character of God and human moral responsibility and accountability (even though it sincerely and rightly seeks to stress the primacy of grace)... but remember! You are honoring God and His Scripture by swallowing this hard to swallow view of Sovereignty (meticulous determinism), Election and Reprobation (unconditional election), and man only having the illusion of free will (total depravity / inability)... The thing is though (between you and me and the entire Christian East and much of the West who do not hold to Augustinian Calvinism, and who all but you minority of Reformed folk, reject double predestination) you're not actually honouring God or his word in conforming to this system, you're actually simply honouring the thoughts of these men and their interpretive tradition)

Calvinism and now 7-point Calvinism a la John Piper is The GOSPEL! Perhaps direct Sam Shamoun to Romans 9.

SAM IS CONFRONTING But I CANNOT FAULT Him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sam, with all love i must say you have a dirty vocabulary. Try changing that, you will reach much more people. God bless you!

Try You’all for the plural.😁

Sam- an illiterate by comparison to white is criticizing a Greek Master? That’s hilarious. Get outa here man.

We have God's word in English. Perfectly preserved, inspired, inerrant in the King James Bible. NEVER bother with the "Greek", dead language. God has moved on. Study to shew thyself ... The author of the word is inside all believers, He will lead you into all truth.

Like a lot of what Sam has to say and his teachings against JW's and Muslims is spot on, but he's just plain wrong here. I also watched another vid where he spoke of Christians having demons. He seems right as an apologist against JW's and Muslims, but doesn't get much else right.

Roman 9: 10-24 alone destroys Arminianism and proves Calvinism. Everything you need to know about why God chooses some over others is within the Book of Romans. How much clearer about this can the writer be? Dr. Piper and all people who you refer to as Calvinists understand this and accept that WE ARE NOT THE POTTER, WE ARE THE CLAY. Remember that The Sovereignty of God is what Satan rebelled against too. Look where that got HIM! Test what you believe against the Scripture. Look to whom it is written and Believe what it Says. This is my unsolicited advice. May God Bless you.

Jerusalem didn't kill the prophets the children did

Why people keep mentioning the fake PhD White amazes me. He is not a scholar and never will be. His arguments here are the same as he holds now. He is a walking parrot and the only thing he has changed over the years is his eschatology and it is obvious why with his constant annoyingly references to the regime and synergist and rebels BS. Not saying Sungenis said anything much but one can go to the bible and make whatever doctrine they believe in work. That is what apologists do. Make pretzels to fit their agendas. The bible can be twisted any way one twists it to fit their view

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life... This verse says it all

Why don't you read Ephesians chapter 1 and 2. Read Romans chapter 8 and 9. Read Gospel of John chapters 1,6 10 and 17 for starters. Humans never had complete free will; you have limited free will (Remember the Tree of knowledge of good and evil and the consequences from eating from it). Read John 6:44 in the Greek. No one can come to Him, unless the Father who sent Him, draws him. We are all sinners and fallen short of the Glory of God and there is no one righteous and no one who seeks after God. We are slaves to sin. We are dead in trespasses in sin. We cannot make a spiritual decision to receive the Grace of God as being spiritually dead. The Grace of God and the saving faith needed to make that acceptance to receive Christ as Savior and to repent are gifts (Ephesians 2:8-9). All have sinned. The wages of sin is death. Some receive mercy and some receive justice. No one receives injustice. 2 Peter 3:9 is talking to the called/chosen. Read Acts 13:48!!! Saving Faith is a gift!! Read the word for "death" in Ephesians 2:1. Read the word "draws" in the Greek for John 6:44. Salvation is 100% from the Lord!!! This biggest problem with predestination people have is they think its unfair. Hmmm....what if the LORD chose to not save anyone, and let the entire human race (which have all sinned and are worthy of death) perish???? He could let the entire human race perish and go to hell and he would be just to do it. His choosing to save some is an act of mercy, like a governor giving clemency to criminals that have been judged guilty of their crimes. Clemency is an act of mercy to ones that are guilty of their crimes. Humans are guilty of sin (Read Romans chapter 3). God's decision to save some out of a myriad of humans that are guilty is an act of mercy and grace (unmerited favor).

oh good grief, the bible teaches God's sovereignty in salvation, "chosen in him before the foundation of the world", and man's free choice, "enter in at the narrow gate.." and many more. They can't be reconciled.

Have you been watching all my recent sessions refuting Greg?

Sam, without love, your words mean nothing. We pray for, not Muhammad, since he is dead, but for those who worship him.

I disagree also with what he said about understanding Scripture. I read the KJ, yet that's not why I understand Scripture and God's will. It is because He has shared His Spirit with me, and He guides me to all the truth and wisdom of God. I thank God, through Jesus Christ.

I agree with same with the I but not with the L. YetI do not agree with Calvin of today on why it is limited. It's not limited because God only desires certain people to be counted for election, but because salvation is limited to those who believe. You can not be saved without believing. Therefore, it is limited and exclusive. God is Soverign, and it is God's will.

atonement is only in the new man, the new nature, or the old man has no power over you IF IF IF you REMAIN in the new nature, outside of the new nature you are lost and he never knew you in that nature, this is the spiritual battle going on in all true believers, you have two natures, one is dead, or rather has no power to live through you, IF you remain in jesus, redemption, grace, salvation, the blood, the spirit, heaven, the kingdom of god, the father, the promises, EVERYTHING IS IN CHRIST JESUS, and we are members of his flesh and of his bones in our NEW NATURE, the NEW MAN, the old nature and the new are contrary one to the other so that you cant do the things your old nature WILL DO IF YOU LET HIM, if you walk in the spirit you will not do what the FLESH MAN WANTS TO DO, the OLD MAN, once saved always saved ONLY IN THE NEW NATURE, thats why jesus said IF IF IF you remain in me i will REMAIN IN YOU, he will not live in the old nature, so if you resort back to that nature you are LOST outside of christ, and he will tell you on that day IF your in that old nature, I NEVER KNEW YOU, depart from me.

Acts 6:7 NKJV Then the word of God spread, and the number of the disciples multiplied greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were obedient to the faith.

Mathew as we should always remember is not inspired scripture. Mathew believed that to be a Christian one must obey all of the Jewish laws, food laws, circumcision etc. All Christians reject this. Mathew said that Christ said the Kingdom would come before his generation passed away. Not true. Stop quoting Mathew. Why are so few paying attention. I am not saying that Mathew is a grifter just not inspired. Can't make a silk purse from a cow's ear.

brothers and sisters, i know that some may be arminianists ,others calvinists as am i. but let's on both sides the scriptures talk. i want you to consider these verses,BROTHER SAM don't just look at one verse,and then come up with un sound conclusion , PLEASE LOOK AT THESE VERSES AND SHOW ME HOW GOD DOES NOT ELECT: Matthew 22 For many are called, but few are chosen." 1 Thessalonians‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭NIV‬‬ For we know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that he has chosen you. Ephesians‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭NIV‬‬ [4] For he chose us in him [before the creation of the world] to be holy and blameless in his sight John‬ ‭15:16‬ ‭NIV‬‬ [16] You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit-fruit that will last-and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. Not only so, but Rebekah also conceived by one, by our father Isaac. For being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him who calls, it was said to her, “The elder will serve the younger.” Even as it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? May it never be! For he said to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I caused you to be raised up, that I might show in you my power, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” So then, he has mercy on whom he desires, and he hardens whom he desires. You will say then to me, “Why does he still find fault? For who withstands his will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, “Why did you make me like this?” Or hasn’t the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor? What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath made for destruction, and that he might make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory, us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Romans 9:10-24( the case is that our minds can not understand it fully ,then we come up with our conclusion with one verse out of a context!!, but we have to accept the truth.)

Many other texts Sam. You are just examining one. It’s all throughout Scripture if you just open your eyes to it. More to the point that the Lord opens your eyes to this truth.