Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live. Trinity nonsense refuted in one verse. ONE true and most high God Yah the father. One Lord Jesus Christ. If the manmade Trinity nonsense were true this verse would have said: Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, the son and the holy spirit from whom all things came and for whom we live. But is doesn’t.
Eternally proceeds from the Father. It's absolutely necessary if Jesus is "I AM" then He by NATURE is YHWH. He IS ETERNAL GOD. EVERYTHING GOD DOES IS FROM ETERNITY If God does it, He does it from eternity. It is NOT logical to believe that a TRUE SON of GOD so to speak must somehow have a temporal beginning. John 1 talks about an eternally existent Son. Jesus eternally preexisted. But He also proceeded forth in his incarnation. There IS a two-fold concept to "proceeding" and "coming forth" when it comes to Jesus. Isaiah says, "Unto us a CHILD is BORN (humanity-- born of a woman, born under law) Unto us a SON is GIVEN (the eternally existing Son manifested in space and time)." The humanity of God's Son was BORN, proceeded forth physically. The eternal Son was GIVEN. He already existed but was manifested in the flesh. He decided in eternity (Phil 2) to empty Himself and take on the form of a man. And this "true son" concept needs to be addressed. It's NOT logical, when you are dealing with an ETERNAL SON OF GOD. IF GOD has a TRUE SON, He must by NATURE ETERNALLY PROCEED from GOD. Anything else is less than God. This is just rehashed Arianism.
"Physician, heal thyself." I used scripture as well as reason. Make an argument, not a statement, please. And you're truly begging the question when you say, "the bible's portrayal of a true "begetting" of the Son." That's the point up for contention here, and for which I offered scripture as well as interpretation. And you and your group seem to bring your own human understanding of "begetting" and force that upon the Son of God, the "I AM," YHWH manifested in the flesh. @@ThePristineFaith
@ThePristineFaith Sure. You have a few-- take them. I'll take the rest. Church Fathers are very useful for study. We can find out a much better picture of what things were like during the first and second centuries. BUT they’re not to be taken above Scripture. AND even Paul warned the Christians at Ephesus in Acts 20 WITH TEARS about falsehood coming in quickly after he left: “I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” Acts 20:29-31 This means that EVEN IN THE FIRST CENTURY there were going to be false teachers rising up to make their own disciples. Much of the falsehoods we still see today were written about and against in the New Testament-- things like Gnosticism, legalism, and Arianism.
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Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Trinity nonsense refuted in one verse.
ONE true and most high God Yah the father. One Lord Jesus Christ.
If the manmade Trinity nonsense were true this verse would have said:
Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, the son and the holy spirit from whom all things came and for whom we live.
But is doesn’t.
Eternally proceeds from the Father.
It's absolutely necessary if Jesus is "I AM" then He by NATURE is YHWH. He IS ETERNAL GOD.
EVERYTHING GOD DOES IS FROM ETERNITY
If God does it, He does it from eternity.
It is NOT logical to believe that a TRUE SON of GOD so to speak must somehow have a temporal beginning.
John 1 talks about an eternally existent Son.
Jesus eternally preexisted. But He also proceeded forth in his incarnation.
There IS a two-fold concept to "proceeding" and "coming forth" when it comes to Jesus.
Isaiah says, "Unto us a CHILD is BORN (humanity-- born of a woman, born under law) Unto us a SON is GIVEN (the eternally existing Son manifested in space and time)."
The humanity of God's Son was BORN, proceeded forth physically. The eternal Son was GIVEN. He already existed but was manifested in the flesh.
He decided in eternity (Phil 2) to empty Himself and take on the form of a man.
And this "true son" concept needs to be addressed.
It's NOT logical, when you are dealing with an ETERNAL SON OF GOD.
IF GOD has a TRUE SON, He must by NATURE ETERNALLY PROCEED from GOD.
Anything else is less than God.
This is just rehashed Arianism.
You are making assumptions about the "divine nature" that you cannot prove, and side-skirt the bible's portrayal of a true "begetting" of the Son.
"Physician, heal thyself."
I used scripture as well as reason.
Make an argument, not a statement, please.
And you're truly begging the question when you say, "the bible's portrayal of a true "begetting" of the Son."
That's the point up for contention here, and for which I offered scripture as well as interpretation.
And you and your group seem to bring your own human understanding of "begetting" and force that upon the Son of God, the "I AM," YHWH manifested in the flesh. @@ThePristineFaith
@@sketchbook1by "you and your group," are you including the ante-Nicene church fathers too? :-)
@@sketchbook1 please watch this for an explanaiton of the "I AM" statements: th-cam.com/video/KyE6zlQFTGo/w-d-xo.html
@ThePristineFaith
Sure. You have a few-- take them.
I'll take the rest.
Church Fathers are very useful for study. We can find out a much better picture of what things were like during the first and second centuries.
BUT they’re not to be taken above Scripture.
AND even Paul warned the Christians at Ephesus in Acts 20 WITH TEARS about falsehood coming in quickly after he left:
“I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.” Acts 20:29-31
This means that EVEN IN THE FIRST CENTURY there were going to be false teachers rising up to make their own disciples.
Much of the falsehoods we still see today were written about and against in the New Testament-- things like Gnosticism, legalism, and Arianism.