Didn't Robert Sungenis Already Refute James White on Hebrews

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  • @sodetsurikomigoshi2454
    @sodetsurikomigoshi2454 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    my phone is ABLE to call, my dad is ABLE to teach me how to drive, food is ABLE to nourish, Jesus is ABLE to save us. For all these, completion of the task is dependent on a reciprocal action. School is ABLE to be a venue for learning, but not if i'm absent.

    • @fernandodeleon4115
      @fernandodeleon4115 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Faith and Works are needed for salvation in the letter of Hebrews.
      In Heb 6:9 the word (accompany) in Greek is echo which means (to have) salvation. The Hebrews do not have salvation in this letter. Future Hebrew believers will receive salvation at the second coming of Christ. Heb 9:28/Rom 11:26-27/Eze 36:25-38.
      Rom 11:27 (My covenant with them)Future Israel only, when I will take away their(Israel's) sins, cross reference with Heb 8:7-12/Jer 31:31-37
      The First Covenant is near to vanishing away = Heb 8:13, meaning the New Covenant has not started yet.

    • @PETERJOHN101
      @PETERJOHN101 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Philip__325
      Jesus has already told you the answer to that question. Keep the commandments (Mark 10:19). Faith is the precedent, obedience is the antecedent. This is again affirmed by John, who wrote, _he that saith he knows him, but keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him._ (1 John 2:4)

    • @lawrence1318
      @lawrence1318 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No. When the bible says God is able to do something, it means He will do it. Otherwise it's a useless statement.
      Now ... concerning Jesus' intercession for the elect. The bible teaches us that if we ask anything according to God's will, we know we have what we ask for. So given that Jesus' intercession for the elects' salvation is always in accord with God's will, we know that He has what He asks for and therefore that our will plays no part in the matter or our salvation. And so the scripture says: "it is not of man who wills, but God who shows mercy".

  • @Light2eternity
    @Light2eternity 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Once shaved is NOT always shaved. You got to do it daily.

    • @t.d6379
      @t.d6379 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Saved* edit this

    • @Howhardisittofindausernamebruh
      @Howhardisittofindausernamebruh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I was saved yesterday, I'm saved today, and i pray to be saved tomorrow

    • @AstariahJW
      @AstariahJW 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Howhardisittofindausernamebruh
      If you think your saved then your not saved

    • @Howhardisittofindausernamebruh
      @Howhardisittofindausernamebruh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AstariahJW read it again

    • @AstariahJW
      @AstariahJW 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Howhardisittofindausernamebruh
      Read what ?

  • @ryanbeaver6080
    @ryanbeaver6080 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    John 6 tells us that ALL who are drawn by the Father and given to the Son, that he will lose NONE of them, but raise them up on the last day.

    • @PedroHenrique-x17
      @PedroHenrique-x17 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not before judgment , and only those who die in state of grace.

  • @jmctigret
    @jmctigret 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yes! Robert showed James is wrong!

  • @joshuafriedrick
    @joshuafriedrick 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thanks for putting these clips together! Robert nailed it

    • @ThePristineFaith
      @ThePristineFaith  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He absolutely did! I appreciate you watching.

    • @chrslrpg
      @chrslrpg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Did you watch and listen the video? Did you even see that sungenis read the book and has mistaken his understanding of the theology? You failed to understand that your work don't merit anything. Your work should be the manifestation of your salvation NoT the cause. If you preserver thru the end that thru faith, faith that is given by God .

    • @joshuafriedrick
      @joshuafriedrick 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrslrpg Thanks for making assumptions about what you think I don't understand :)
      What you're perhaps failing to understand is that faith isn't a work. Maybe chew on that for a while.

  • @MuttonBiryani1994
    @MuttonBiryani1994 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    James the Arrogant.

  • @soundwaynes3885
    @soundwaynes3885 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Sungenis whops james white on the calvinism debate

  • @seeyaatthebema
    @seeyaatthebema 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Nowhere does the Bible say that believers go to heaven at death, nor does it say that sinners burn forever in hell.

  • @ProselyteofYah
    @ProselyteofYah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    James' views all come from a lack of understanding of the law of atonement in the Jewish sacrificial system. Because they don't recognise or realise that Jesus died in 'accordance' to the Law, they don't understand how he fulfils it and what that means for us.
    “And YHWH spoke to Moses, saying, ‘Speak to the people of Israel, saying, If anyone sins unintentionally in any of YHWH’s commandments about things not to be done, and does any one of them, if it is the anointed priest who sins, thus bringing guilt on the people, then he shall offer for the sin that he has committed a bull from the herd without blemish to YHWH for a sin offering. He shall bring the bull to the entrance of the tent of meeting before the Lord and lay his hand on the head of the bull and kill the bull before the Lord“. - Leviticus 4:1-4
    “For since the Law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. [...] for it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins [….] But [...] by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified“. - Hebrews 10:1-3, 12-14
    “…if we go on sinning wilfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the enemies....” - Hebrews 10:26
    The Son of God died for our sins in order to pay the debt we could not, to be our sacrifice and payment where our own good works cannot "pay" or "make up for" the sins we have committed.
    But the Torah which Jesus came to fulfil, states that a sacrifice was for “unintentional” (or in other words repentant) sins (Leviticus 4:2-3, Isaiah 1:11, 13, 16-20). Without repentance and an active effort to change our ways and to become "the new man" in Christ, the sins remain “intentional”, and thereby the Law of sacrifices - of which Jesus himself was sacrificed in ‘accordance’ to, decrees the sacrifice provided for us as ineffectual - hence, the warning for us in Hebrews that “wilful unrepentant sinners”, even if they are believers in Jesus, have “no sacrifice” for their sins.
    By faith alone in Jesus, the sins we commit are paid for, not by our works which cannot pay the debt of sin. But by obedience and repentance only is that faith in Jesus' sacrifice actually effective, of which faith alone without active repentance and the striving of obedience, does not achieve.

    • @ThePristineFaith
      @ThePristineFaith  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This is 🔥 Very informative!

    • @ProselyteofYah
      @ProselyteofYah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ThePristineFaith Appreciated. I have much more written on the topic on my blog here if it interests you :).
      proselyteofyah.wordpress.com/2021/09/03/faith-or-works/
      (I also have written much in defence of non-trinitarianism here too which I'm sure you'll appreciate, brother).

    • @ProselyteofYah
      @ProselyteofYah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Philip__325 Unintentional sin can be many things. The Bible literally uses the word "unintentional sin" verbatim from God YHWH himself, it's not a phrase I made up. So if you say there is no such thing, you call God himself a liar:
      “If one person sins *unintentionally*, he shall offer a female goat a year old for a sin offering. - Numbers 15:27
      However it's all about semantics.
      An unintentional sin can be weakness, someone who strives to be good, but still makes mistakes in life. That would be an unintentional sinner. An intentional sinner is someone sticks up his middle finger to God and says "I'm sinning on purpose", and isn't repentant over sin. An intentional sinner isn't sinning because of temptation or weakness or fault in his character, but because he 'wants' to sin against God.
      Addiction to porn can be unintentional sin, someone being 'tempted' to do something he shouldn't, but does it because he caves into weakness or impulse, is unintentional sin. Getting drunk by accident, could be an unintentional sin. A sin that he could not resist, or tried to resist, but ended up doing it anyway.
      Another unintentional sin is when someone does what is sinful, but doesn't know it's a sin, until he finds out, which 'then' makes him guilty and in requirement of repentance (this is said also verbatim in the Torah).
      And then are 'intentional action' sins such as telling a lie to someone, or 'planning' to murder someone (as opposed to the heat of passion, which is another unintentional sin). However, even sins that were done "on purpose" (murder, stealing, etc), can be repented of, and thereby, the person changes who they are. But if a person never repents, even of mistakes, then the sins 'become' intentional also, and in the 'state' of "intent", Jesus' sacrifice doesn't take effect.
      So "Intentional sin", is all about the attitude one retains toward their sins, as well as the details of the pre-meditation, etc.
      So no, I 'do not' sin intentionally every day at all, (and I imagine you don't either as a brother in Christ) because I do not actively rebel against God or sin on purpose against him, but I do constantly make mistakes and have weaknesses of the flesh, because as a man, I have sinned, just as all men have sinned. And that's why we all need Jesus.

    • @esoterico7750
      @esoterico7750 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So does the sacrifice have nothing to do with intentional sin? Is repentance not enabled by the cross?

    • @ProselyteofYah
      @ProselyteofYah 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@esoterico7750If you had read my comment closely you'd know the answer to that because I already mentioned it. A sin only 'remains intentional', if you are non-repentant over it. All sins can be forgiven by the cross, 'if' they enter the state of non-intention, which is repentance and 'seeking' to not sin that sin anymore.

  • @Justpassintrue7
    @Justpassintrue7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Oh my JW believes his own crap.

  • @rangercisco1
    @rangercisco1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does he know who the book of Hebrews was written to, it's in the title, these were recent concerts, that the Pharisees were persecuting 🤟🏼

  • @Justpassintrue7
    @Justpassintrue7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Ty lol he just smacked him lol

    • @Justpassintrue7
      @Justpassintrue7 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would never have the time to find all these gems Ty brother. We are waiting on something any day now!!

  • @CalebPreach4245
    @CalebPreach4245 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Are you also going to make a video highlighting how James White already refuted the catholic churches eisegesis of 1 Corinthians 3?

    • @fernandodeleon4115
      @fernandodeleon4115 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Works and Faith are needed for salvation in the letter of Hebrews.
      In Heb 6:9 the word (accompany) in Greek is echo which means (to have) salvation. The Hebrews do not have salvation in this letter. Future Hebrew believers will receive salvation at the second coming of Christ. Heb 9:28/Rom 11:26-27/Eze 36:25-38
      *Rom 11:27 (My covenant with them)Future Israel only, when I will take away their(Israel's) sins, cross reference with Heb 8:7-12/Jer 31:31-37
      *The First Covenant is near to vanishing away = Heb 8:13, meaning the New Covenant has not started yet.
      *Nowhere in the bible does it say that the church is part of the (new covenant). It's only man's opinion.
      *We are servants of the new covenant 2Cor 3:6
      *We benefit from the blood that was shed for the new covenant 1Cor 11:25
      *in HEB 4:1 the promise of the rest was made to Israel not the church. Look at Deu 12:1-10,
      Israel did not obey God's covenant. Another example is in Deu 20:16-18 Israel did not destroy all the people named in v.17)
      (God made a new covenant with Israel because they broke His covenant in Jer 31:31-34) (David also has spoken of another day of rest for Israel in Heb 4:7-8/Psa 95:7-11
      *Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest(land, kingdom, Millennial kingdom) for the people(Israel) of God.
      King James bible:
      *In HEB 4:1 we (the church) don't need to fear to enter His rest.
      In HEB 4:11 we don't need to labor to enter His rest.
      Our citizenship is in heaven---
      Phi 3:20/2Cor 5:8

    • @ezekielizuagie7496
      @ezekielizuagie7496 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      James White did no such thing

    • @fernandodeleon4115
      @fernandodeleon4115 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ezekielizuagie
      James white and the Catholic Church
      do not teach this truth:
      In Hebrews 4:2,
      The gospel of Christ was not preached because to (them) the gospel of Christ was a Mystery = Eph 6:19/Rom 16:25,26, before Jesus death, nobody knew about Jesus death burial and resurrection.
      In Heb 4:2, when it says = (us), that's the gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches from Jesus ministry = Mat 9:35/Mat 4:17, Jesus mentions the rest = Mat 11:28.
      When it says =(them), that's the gospel of the land, which is the rest from = Deu 12:1-10
      These 2, the (us) and (them), received the same gospel, which is the land, the rest, the Kingdom, the Millennial Kingdom.
      We need to read Heb ch 3 and 4 in it's context to understand.
      In Heb 4:1, it says = Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
      👉They can fail to enter the rest, in this gospel. Just like in the gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches, they can fail to enter the rest.
      The Church does not need to fear to enter His rest.👉 2Timothy 1:7.
      Our citizenship is in heaven = Phi 3:20/2Cor 5:8
      The Church does not need to labor to enter His rest= Heb 4:11
      👉In the gospel of the kingdom of heaven approaches. Israel must endure unto the end to be saved = Matthew 10:22/Matthew 24:13..
      In the letter of Hebrews salvation is not given yet = Heb 6:9, the word accompany in Greek is echō, which means ( to have) salvation.
      In the gospel of Christ, the Church is saved Today= 2Corinthians 6:2

    • @ezekielizuagie7496
      @ezekielizuagie7496 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@fernandodeleon4115 Your first paragraph has a contradictiom so i am not going take time to read every thing you posted because its too long. But why not summarize what truth James White and the catholic church dont teach.

    • @fernandodeleon4115
      @fernandodeleon4115 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ezekielizuagie7496 No contradiction, Where does it say that these Hebrews have Salvation in the letter of Hebrews?

  • @josiahpulemau6214
    @josiahpulemau6214 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Robert is a little more mature than Leighton with his snark remarks. He got stuck when reading from JWs book and the same point JW is trying to make with Roberts “exegesis” of the text, Robert himself showed what that actually looks like when he took JWs quote from his own book, out of context hence the comment from JW “so much for context.”
    JWs argument here aligns with his debate with Leighton in John 6. Biblical consistency from JW. Unfortunately, not so much from Roberts

  • @BigGuy86ed
    @BigGuy86ed 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    James and Hebrews are to thoe in the time of Jacbs trouble. Don't take the mark...

  • @kapmahn
    @kapmahn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    James 100 percent correct. Scripture teaches He saves His people not b ytheir choice so as to have any pride in themselves, but limited to whom He chose. Scripture and logic support it

    • @ThePristineFaith
      @ThePristineFaith  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      That’s neither logical nor Scriptural. Monergism is not required to alleviate all pride.

    • @easternRomanOrthodox
      @easternRomanOrthodox 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This is blasphemy 101

    • @kapmahn
      @kapmahn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ThePristineFaith Ephesians 2, the Scriptures, would disagree with you. Maybe you should be defining your logic by Scripture, not your worldly understanding.

    • @kapmahn
      @kapmahn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@easternRomanOrthodox I assume from Orthodox, you hold to that faith which worships and venerates idols. Yahweh will punish all who have created their own gods. Repent. No Saint will save you. No act of man can help you. God alone can remove you from your utter arrogant disobedience.

    • @easternRomanOrthodox
      @easternRomanOrthodox 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @kapmahn No, pagan we don't worship, and thanks for showing everyone here how braindead you are that you cannot even differentiate between veneration & worship🤦Keep believing in your imaginary invisible church & worship your antisemitic Antichrist Martin Lucifer & his sun god😅