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Do you feel like the deck needs alternate wincons? How often are the valuable

@@BasedDeckDept when you play as stella, twisted fealty is the most common wincon. One game I played, I took risk to cast twisted fealty without a counter spell but got countered. I casually played jace wielder of mysteries and used copied unlimited refocus and won the game from there. same happened where I niv mizzet parun on the field and pinged all my opponents from there with unli copy of twitch. It's better to have plenty of tricks up your sleeve.

Probably not that much difference. Probably a better mana base

I know! It's so good now.

Fair question especially for a newer player. Watch from 11:18 for about a minute. You chain Simian Spirit Guide into Rite of Flame into Desperate Ritual, which makes 3 red mana for you out of nowhere. Exiling Simian Spirit guide from your hand gives you the first red mana, even if you have no untapped lands. Hope this helps!

​@BasedDeckDept Awesome. I see now. It chains and you get off the three mana to get the combo off. I feel scared with that route as you leave yourself open without counter protection, haha.

@@xavrikxify Great :) And to be fair, that combo line and total of 6 mana does include a single blue mana for a counterspell or protection. So technically the 3 red mana from drawing the deck should be in addition to a blue mana. But such is the joy of playing combos :D

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. Some solid card choices there. Traverse Eternity and Baral's Expertise stand out as solid additions especially.

@@BasedDeckDept There was one more card on my mind that I couldn't remember the name at first but it was Sunbird's Invocation which is like a Kodama of the East Tree for this deck. I usually don't like greedy, high cmc cards but for the inner timmy's, this is a card that will pay dividends big time.

Yeah he is an incredible amount of fun. Not every single person will like the play pattern, but I'd say 90% will based on my experience. And it's always fun because sometimes giving someone 15 cards may backfire for us, but that's part of the fun.

Yeah I can appreciate that. I would also rather run Eris within the precon. You should watch my recent video about Melek. He's far from fiddly 😁

​@@BasedDeckDeptI came here after watching that one! :). Melek also looks cool. I do like that melek doesn't require balancing payoffs vs spells. I think I'll stick with Eris for Izzet though. I'm a green player at heart and pumping out 4/4 prowess dragons is definitely in my wheelhouse.

@@NateFinch Haha, yeah look if you're a stompy man at heart, Eris is the perfect fit.

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Hah, thanks again. Glad you enjoyed the Stella video. You should check out my new Melek video for a slightly different Izzet build :D

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it :D

Glad you're enjoying the deck. To be fair it outperforms even that $75 price tag by about 5 times :D

@@BasedDeckDept I can see that 😀 Keep up with the Great decks 🫡❤️

@@nokthar97 Thank you friend 🙏

🙏🙏 Glad you enjoyed it. Now on to the next one!

Good catch. I have since realized my mana rock creature error :D Melek does however hold down the fort all by himself 😁

​@@BasedDeckDept But what about the 2 that are in your mana rocks section XD

@@TheDevonshireMint that's what I was thinking about

@@danielharrison2383 I know..lol

Hahahahaha. You're right. I didn't even think of them as creatures. I stand corrected

Yes I definitely wouldn't touch the Guide, Rite, Ritual synergy. A word of caution that I haven't tested Jeska's much, so how it fits in to the overall flow of the deck, I'm not sure. Could be clunky. That said, given it's part draw, I'd probably swap a draw spell. Highway Robbery, Demand Answers, etc. Cathartic Reunion would be my pick for the swap target.

@@BasedDeckDept Thanks! What about spellseeker? (caved in and got one since it was not as expensive as the others). My guess would be muddle the mixture since its the only 3 mana tutor, but the flexibility of also being a counterspell makes it tempting to keep it.

@@ssgod101 probably one of the card draw spells, maybe one of your cheap cantrips. The card draw really exists to assemble your combo, so if you've got another tutor you have less need for it. 90% of the time you want to go Stella -> Haste Enabler -> Wisps, so the need for the cantrips is minor.

Yeah I did. I've played the deck a whole bunch. Too much to go into detail of different pods, at varying deck strengths, but the win rate is high, winning at least half the games I've play with it. The deck is very resilient. I've pulled out a win copying chandras ignition 4 times and using Sauron as the target.

@@BasedDeckDept I like this deck, and i think i will buy that. Needed some answers 👍🏻

@@poldosfamily2490 Hope you enjoy playing it! If you have any questions about playing it later, by all means ask.

Glad you enjoyed it! You could definitely fit either card, although I'd personally only consider Dizzy Spell, as I much prefer the wisps line in the deck. Definitely worth it I think.

It depends exactly which cards, but you can for the most part swap out something similar. Swap out You Find the Villain's Lair and Unwind for Swan Song and Fierce Guardianship. Swap out swamps for the nonbasic black lands, and swap out Mizzix Mastery in favour of Lier. Bowmasters if you have it can probably replace some removal like Dark Withering

It depends exactly which cards, but you can for the most part swap out something similar. Swap out You Find the Villain's Lair and Unwind for Swan Song and Fierce Guardianship. Swap out swamps for the nonbasic black lands, and swap out Mizzix Mastery in favour of Lier. Bowmasters if you have it can probably replace some removal like Dark Withering

@@BasedDeckDept Thanks for clarifying, just built this and playing it today!

@@legendtito20 Good luck! Hope you enjoy it

Yeah it arguably has the most chance of winning in a cEDH than any of my strong yet casual decks.

Good luck! I wasn't a big fan of the Sauron precon, big fan of this Sauron though 😁

To be fair to cEDH, I think it's arguably more balanced than casual EDH, because it's clear what the most broken things are, and it's no holds barred. None of the power level or social hi jinx to get through. All that said, this list is meant to be a cheap way to play against people with powerful decks below cEDH, as it's definitely not quite at cEDH level, nor could it be without thousands of dollars. Get's surprisingly close though.

Thanks!

She's great! Hope you got something out of the video

Haha, given our curve they're really not that bad. The opportunity cost is very low.

Stella with infinites is not a casual deck in any way 😂😂😂

@@BasedDeckDept well like obviously not hence rulezeroing a draw around any combos. The point was deck variety for a final game because even he was sick of Rocco and a million triggers after 3 other games.

@@granite_4576Yeah fair How did he win whilst avoiding his combos? Eris / Dragons?

@@BasedDeckDept Niv mizzet shenanigans, alas.

@@granite_4576 Alas indeed

Glad you enjoyed it! Any particular commanders in mind?

Will do! My current one is far away from being budget. Would you prefer a budget build or the full cost one?

Do the best budget one for the Chanel, and you can put your current in the description cause I’m curious on what your running 💪 ( I’m thinking on doing a atla one or your Sauron)

Too many pips in the casting cost for non mono-U.

$2.50, double blue mana and slower than any of our one mana counters pushing our combo back a turn. The one mana counters typically perform the same function as a fully fledged counter on turn 4-5 as no one has two+ untapped mana after they've cast a spell attempting to stop us.

@@BasedDeckDept Dominica Remastered version is about $1.

@@BasedDeckDept also, Muddle the Mixture and Mission Briefing are already in the deck, so ...

@@user-ts7rf1up2g Muddle the mixture doubles up as a tutor which far outweighs the value of Counterspell to me. And I don't mean that all double blue casting costs are bad. Mission briefing is great, although I hope I never have to cast it. I'm not against subbing in Counterspell, but this is why I won't be

How do you know I'm not on Star Trek?

Don't listen to this guy BDD you take all the pauses you like

Yeah good suggestion. I'll do that in future videos. In this case it's safe to assume that cards would replace their cheaper / worse counterparts, one for one starting with the weakest or slowest cards in the category. For example, Fierce Guardianship would probably replace Negate, Pact of Negation could replace Daze. Then Dockside and Mox could replace our two worst mana rocks. You get the idea. If there's a specific card you're unsure about, I can tell you what I'd take out

@BasedDeckDept thank you! Sometimes it takes several plays with a deck before I can gather what to repace.

@@nathancarlk It's a pleasure. Happy to help!

Depends on your definition 😉

@@BasedDeckDeptOK, subbed, but I would prefer it if you avoided female commanders and furries.

@@MisterWebb You love to see it (re subbing). What about bears?

@@BasedDeckDept I kind of don’t mind female spellcasters, but absolutely no female fighters. Quadrupedal bears are fine.

@@BasedDeckDeptit’s a shit look to pander to people like that honestly.

Thank you! Glad you liked it. March from the black gate is great, but it doesn't synergize with our graveyard or spell slinger strategies at all, and more importantly, combat damage is our secondary win condition, so this card will do nothing, or be quite slow 99% of the time since we are typically hiding behind our orc army and need it as a blocker.

🤜🤛 Saruman is fantastic. Good luck with Sauron!

Maybe a case of player diff 😃as that's the polar opposite of what I've seen. What lines enable 40 damage by turn 5?

@@BasedDeckDept handful of creatures into a Pyretic Charge. In my first game, I resolved a Rousing Refrain into Mizzix Mastery into this card. Extremely glass canon though. I was out of gas after that.

She's a powerhouse, that's for sure. I don't know what's worse, that, or that the fumbled the build of the precon that badly. Not saying they should put infinites in the precon, but it doesn't do her justice at all.

@@BasedDeckDept But wouldn't the rest of the precon being bad actually make her more expensive.. Less people bying multiples of the precon so not that many Stellas baing sold as singles? of course if the precon has OK other cards but just does not play well it might result in people who bought it being disappointed.. But I don't think there's easily much demand for any commander only card that's available in precons as long as the precons are available.. And I suppose Stella deck is just not that much fun to play in casual and if you really go for cEDH .. you'll mroe likely be buying the precon rather than a single - just too much trouble finding a singles seller - maybe -- or if you do bother bying and selling - you could be selling the cards you do not use from the precon..

@@Jawzah fortunately the precon has a lot of decent staples so despite the construction being a bit wonky, lots of people have picked it up

Yeah this build definitely isn't a low power casual deck We're basically doing the same thing with Simian, Petal, Sol ring, and Simian, Rite and Ritual aka draw deck = free Twisted Fealty. Which cards in my list did you omit to fit the petal?

Glad I was on the money! Wish I was in your shoes in having all those cedh staples

STELLAR!

Appreciate the feedback. Will contemplate trying to work that in!

Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks! Also, happy you found a flavour led list that you enjoy! Love the idea of thinking about cards Sauron might have played

Thank you 🙏 Glad you enjoyed it