Exclusive: Can This Trailer's Suspension Revolutionize The Way You Tow? We Test To Find Out!
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Have you all tried the speed binders ? I haven't found an episode yet?
In the future Float Ride Trailers should work with Koni Suspension on implementing Koni FSD dampers, maybe as an upgrade option. FSD stands for Frequency Selective Damping, it was developed for F1 racecars after the series banned active suspension technology. The short and simple version of how they work is on slow forces they firm up (preventing body roll in cars) on big hits they allow the suspension to absorb the hit. They work great on my 2009 VW GTI. I had Koni FSD's installed with stiffer Eibach Pro-kit springs and my GTI rode smoother after the change despite the springs being stiffer.
Looked it up on Koni's website. They don't call it FSD anymore, but instead they call it "Special Active". In the text they say it is "KONI’s latest generation of Frequency Selective Damping Technology". Here is the link: www.koni.com/en-US/Cars/Products/Performance/Special-Active/
I wonder what all the added motion in the goose neck does to the movement/inertia of load on the trailer itself? If it’s lessened, I could see this being a viable design for Horse trailers to also reduce stress on the animals- equestrian people I know have no sense of budget, they care more about the horses than their kids
They should weld a Ruler on the neck of the Trailer across the gap so you don't have to have a tape measure it will be fixed on it.
or a leveling valve like on a big truck
Just put an angle gauge on the pivot side.
Cool trailer, have they thought of a way to integrate this onto a horse/stock trailer. On a different note has Mr. Truck lost weight?
jackpotvmc that’s the only thing that I saw they could add :)
you could just mark the shock
The dynamic duo. Andre and Mr. Truck!
I hope Mr Truck doesn't go away once Andre passes his testing
Just because he passes the test sure as hell doesn’t mean he actually knows what he’s doing. We see that with every video. It’s kinda like towing 13,000lbs with your F-150 just because it says you can on the sticker. Many many things are still a bad idea for most people when it comes to towing.....especially large loads.
@@specforged5651 I agree but I wasn't commenting on how well he can drive. Plus I'm sure Mr Truck's time isn't free
EGGINFOOLS ...Very true....However driving might be what he’s best at, it’s the rest of the stuff he doesn’t to now his ass from a receiver.
@@EGGINFOOLS I've worried that too. They make a great pair.
The bucket crushed your tape measure.. Ouch😮
Seems like since there's no air ride on the suspension there would be no haul premium from a shipper. Shipper wants air between the road and their load, they don't care about driver comfort.
This suspension also takes care of vertical cushioning, not just horizontal.
Incorrect, science tells you that it has zero effect on trailer bed to axle cushioning. This is for jerking and driver comfort, has zero road cushion for load.
@@RedskinzFan i disagree, if the rear tires of the truck hit a large bump the point where the trailer is attached to the truck goes up , but the front of the trailer does not. due to the location of the pivoting point on the trailer the truck can change position vertically ( momentarily) without changing the angle or elevation of the trailer. they are moving more independently.
@@TheDaltonmichaels I'd say split the difference...but if you have air bags on the truck, not much difference!
@@TheDaltonmichaels and then the trailer hits the bump and no air ride.
Interesting concept. Question is. Can you drive the trailer when you have a problem with the air suspension. For example: what if an airbag fails. Do you have to wait for repairs or is there a way you can fixate it and drive it as a normal trailer.
Put it up with the jacks and strap the neck to the trailer and put n pice of wood between them bevor straping it down it gets you where you can repair it. But i dont have seen anything ment for it on there
My question too. Easily sabotagable too.
That's a hell of a design... Only problem I see is that if you wanted 40ft of deck the trailer would be to long overall for a dually pickup. You'd have to get less deck space or have a chassis cab to comply with the 65ft rule.
RIP tape measure. Lol
I pull a standard gooseneck two car hauler. My experience is the unladen ride of a HD truck gets smoother with the load of the trailer. This is another great video. Well done guys
I have seen hardware that installs as part of the down leg of the gooseneck. It would be great to see a comparison of that option too
In the braking test you could see that the float trailer even transfers that horizontal braking load to a lateral load on the rear suspension. Instead of pushing the truck forward and upsetting the geometry of the truck it pushes weight down on the rear axle adding to the braking weight of the rear axle. Amazing
1:22 that crooked spare tire is triggering me
Haha, better go to your safe space.
Steve Allen I’ve made my own cry closet since all the schools are closed.
Hugh Jinvaney Genius, I may have to steal that idea.
it is a little loose better take out the tools and bring it back to the top
Random Stuffs that’s cool. Let’s hope this is all over soon.
Very cool technology and the comparison testing to go with it. Nice job guys. Like the TFL Studios intro better than the old intro.
A load height position valve would be much easier than having to manually change the air pressure every time you load something.
I think that the air ride goose neck is pointless without air ride suspension. That setup also adds a lot of weight to the trailer with the double frame. I think an air ride hitch setup like some big RVs use and air suspension would be less expensive to build and give a better ride.
I don't do any towing with a truck, but I've followed Mr. Truck for years, as well as the TFL guys. However, I really enjoy watching these videos! A lot of information and entertainment!!!! Keep it up!
Really should be setting the truck's park brake when loading and unloading the trailer.
David Burgess what I do is keep it in neutral and have the emergency brake on so I don’t damage the pin to park
Amateurs. I load tractors while someone is driving the truck down the road like knight rider.
I saw that and I cringed ``of that poor park pawl``! I never park ANY vehicle with a trailer without setting the parking brake first!
The best way is to have someone in the truck pressing the brake pedal.
Always attach the trailer emergency breakaway brake control to something other than the safety chain loop.
They did it legal.
The definitely have to add a self leveling valve like a semi. At some point there will be an air leak and it will deflate while driving down the road.
and a valve control in the truck for when you are crossing the scales LOL! Might need a bigger compressor, tho!
@@eldonjons7442 - Why?
@@dustintunis9347 Transfer weight from one axle to another
@@eldonjons7442 - You pull the whole truck and trailer on the scale and it has multiple scales so they weigh all of the axles at the same time.
@@dustintunis9347 Ever scaled on portables??
Always good to see some innovation in a rather static segment.
Awesome content definitely checking these guys out
It does add another failure point but those airbags should last a long time. Especially if they were covered to protect the rubber from the sun...
That would be awesome for typical chucking on 5th Wheel RV’s!! Absolute Game Changer!!
It seemed like the air trailer needed a heavier shock to stop some of that bouncing during the brake test.If it bounced bad on a icy road it could be tricky.
Good point.
As if a "shock" mounted horizontally like that is ever going to last.
Or a better damper, like Koni FSD (Frequency Selective Damping). www.koni.com/en-US/Cars/Products/Performance/Special-Active/
Looked it up on their website and apparently they don't call it FSD anymore. They call it "Special Active", but in the text it says it is the most recent generation of Frequency Selective Damping.
That Float-ride trailer is a Beast. Thanks for sharing Kent & Andre great review.
Thank you for watching.
Very interesting, thanks for the video.
I watched the tow review on this trailer from "The Fast Lane Truck channel" it looks incredible. They where towing a 22k backhoe and it handled so well
You two are fun to watch!
The backhoe was farther back with the floatride, this will make a huge difference no matter what trailer you pull. Also, you crushed my tape measure. lol
Wouldn't it be better if the the suspension was air ride not the gooseneck ? Horse trailers will benefit the most I would think.
I don't know much about goose kneck trailers but from my experience in on highway trucks air suspension makes a huge difference particularly when load weight is changed multiple times a day and when pulling 2 or more trailers such as carting gravel in regional Australia
Thank you for your commitment to your viewers in continuing to post new video content during this public health crisis. May you and your families remain safe and healthy! On a side note, did that bucket crimp the end of the tape measure at 11:30 into the video? Great video and a very interesting product.
Good air ride on a vehicle is great. This looks like it'll keep you from loosing your mind on choppy road.
I'd like to see this tech put on travel trailers too. It'd be nice to get to the camp ground with no broken things, etc.
Already available I've owned it. Reese air fifth wheel . Very smooth
You can also get the retro fit the travel trailer suspension for air ride
Excellent good job guy's. I want one too!
So having to measure 10 3/4 to get the best ride? Is there not a way to have that as a preset feature so I don’t have to pull out the tape measure every time?
Just needs a leveler put in there and an override to unhook and to manually adjust
Paint a line on the shock
You would think that number would change based on the load.
@@Lex-Rex the pressure will change but the distance will remain .
They should add a witness rod like you see on a front end loader.
Thats a really smart design. Maybe someday i will buy one
At 5:40 normal trailer
At 13:05 air trailer
I can see a big difference in these two shots
Nice work Chad!!
What are the locks for, They were mentioned but i didn't see what they are for or how and when they are used. Standard ride rite compressor and standard Firestone air bags. Wonder on the hinges why not 100% weld? seems to be the place for it.
Is it possible to run conventional air ride on the suspension too?
👏🏼 Applause all around on the design, well done!
The sound at the end of the brake test vs the bounce of the flow neck... do they make enclosed trailers
11:30 tape measure is toast
Cool video, be interesting to see how this technology changes things. Where in Texas are y'all at?
Just a thought where your hinges below the airbags is it possible to put grease able pins in there
Great trailer looking forward to see one in my travels
I would like to see what size/GVWR rated trailers they will offer once they get this design dialed in along with pricing. You guys do excellent videos, keep it up!!
Thats really cool technology
I can see how that trailer would help improve breaking as it shifts more weight to the rear axle increasing traction I love that trailer!!!
Yeah lifting the back of a vehicle when you’re loading something on it can be very dangerous because it can take enough weight off the tires if you happen to be on any slope at all the truck will swing around and you’ll jackknife it I had a friend do that after I had told him to make sure he put a block under the back of the trailer when he was loading a very large Bacot and he simply put the truck in park didn’t even set the parking break !! He damaged the parking pin and when he drove up on the truck which was angle downhill it picked up the back of the truck and the trailer rolled forward and jackknifed the truck damaging the cab of the truck and totaling it!! Needless to say he was fired and then sued for the damage...
You can't sue an employee for damages to a company vehicle....nice story though!
Nice!! Effective mechanism... :-)
@floatride needs to add a bar at the hinge so the customer doesn’t need a tape measure
Small chain or lanyard would work too.
Any twisting issue? Two hinges with no triangulation?
Give me a torque tube and less moving parts...
I like the new design and I do believe that it will catch on quickly. Adding air ride to the axels in my opinion would greatly improve this design. Truly fabricating a ruler on the double neck design would add a level of convenience to adjust the air bags This design looks like it would add more weight capacity to the trailer. Add air ride to this trailer, a 12ft power tail, power monster jacks and hardwood flooring and and I want one. I’m checking out their website now. Also put this trailer behind the CHEVROLET 4500 / 5500 the RAM 4500 / 5500 and FORD 459 / 550 do this same testing plus run them up the IKE GUTLET mileage test plus heads up 0 to 60 test. Please Audra //. Mr. Truck. As prospective buyers we all would enjoy those test by the big 3. PLEASE?? THANKS.
Cool but if it's not hot shot I don't see it worth the extra money and parts if I'm only going to pull it once a while. I would get it on a livestock or horse trailer though.
I'll agree that the air ride can reduce transferring some forces onto the truck, mainly bounce.
But I want to say I noticed a couple things that I think swayed this test.
You say the float ride rode better, but I can clearly see the rear wheel of the backhoe even with the front axle of the float ride, and ahead of the front axle on the control trailer. You guys measured the front of the deck itself. What was the wheelbase from the pin to the center of the axle spread, and if there's any difference in neck length to the front of the deck? If the wheel base like I referenced is the same, then there was clearly less weight transferred to the truck, I'm sure enough to give you the difference in squat you described. I'd like to see the test done with the same static loaded weight on the hitch itself. And as well, was the control trailer a walking beam suspension? I believe that would affect the weight location too.
Seems like there would be some odd angles on the hitch and frame under a heavily-loaded hard braking situation. Maybe even a slight upward stress when the front of the flatbed drives and the gooseneck pivots to meet it?
I'm sure the highway ride is great but I wonder about the undulations and how much it really porpoises on a bad road and what that does to a truck frame and hitch over time. Maybe I'm over thinking but maybe this is something the OEMs havent designed their trucks for...
That's awesome
MrTruck: We don't need no stinking tape measures.
Good stuff, can you still pull a load if the air bags popped?
Was the fact that the load to toung distance is at least 2-3 ft longer on the float ride trailer considered when measuring the squat on the truck. That distance gives the trucks suspension more leverage over the load.
3ftx2,500lb (payload rating) = 7,500 ft/lb of additional force that the suspension can apply to the trailer because of the extra toung length.
Great product... :-)
It's an air-cushioned tongue. Yes, that makes things smoother.
A lot of dump trucks have been using similar, airbag-equipped trailers (on their pintle hook), for years.
How did the 7.3 do pulling that much weight around? I've watched all your Ike gauntlet runs but they didn't weigh nearly as much as this.
With this many gears available, HP is HP. At lower elevation where the turbo doesn't have as much advantage this should pull trailers very nearly as well as the diesels.
@@mdocod doesn't the diesel have double the torque?
@@ryanh1222 Doesn't the gas have double the RPM?
@@mdocod that is irrelevant. As the diesel probably makes its 950lbs of torque at 1900 rpms where the gasser makes it's 430 lbs of torque at 3500.
@@ryanh1222 How is that irrelevant? Crank torque alone does not define how much work the engine can do. Work performed is literally a function of torque X RPM. Remember all those gears? The diesel might have twice the crank torque but if the gas can operate at twice the RPM, then it can be in a lower gear and get more torque multiplication from gearing, so at the wheels, there's not going to be much difference. The Diesel is a more powerful engine because it has a flatter power curve and higher HP ratings, so it will technically be slightly better, but the amount that it is better by is directly proportional to how much more average HP it makes. With this many gears available the amount that is is better has nothing to do with peak crank torque.
If you're having trouble believing this, consider the M1 Abrams Tank. It weighs nearly 140,000 lbs. It is powered by an engine that only makes ~250-400lb ft of torque at 10,000-30,000 RPM. (torque declines at higher RPM). Maximum power (and vehicle speed) is achieved at 30,000 RPM X ~250lb ft torque = ~1500HP. They use gearing to match the power band of the engine to the load. At the end of this driveline, the only thing that matters is how much work is done. It wouldn't matter if the engine turned 300RPM with 25,000 lb ft of torque or 300,000RPM with 25lbft of torque, with proper gearing all of these possibilities would motivate the tank the same speed over sand.
I can't tell if the editor unnecessarily fluffed up the engine sound or if that Godzilla is just an Absolute Monster!
Wow, what a great invention. Way overdue in the trailer world. Would like to see a cover (metal maybe) over the air bags to protect them from vandalism and the rays of the sun.
Isn’t that just extra maintenance? How long will that last up top exposed to the elements? The ones underneath are at least a little shielded from the sun. That’s my main concern. Sun on rubber can cause dry rot.
Now try it with a shockerhitch installed on the float ride trailer! There will still be some vibration transfer through the hinge of the trailer, but if you got a shockerhitch connection for the front then you would truly isolate the trailer vibration at all points
So guys, at about 14:35 you say you're towing 22,000 lbs. But when checking the charts published by Ford that truck is only rated at 24,000 lbs GCWR (under CDL requirements for my state at least), putting the trailer tow rating at 16,000 lbs or so. Are you towing beyond the rating? Is that really a F350/7.3L/3.73 crew cab?
They killed that tape measure!
I think It adds unnecessary parts to maintain, weight, cost and complexity.
They reached out to me as well to do a sponsored video and I passed because of the reasons above.
500# extra hotshotting will add up over time...especially non CDL
my gooseneck bounces more when i am empty not when loaded
Just buy a shocker hitch? All this is cool, I guess, but I just throw a shocker hitch on it and roll. Also, you can move the shocker hitch around, use it on all your trailers.
Love Texans innovation!
I would have a guard over the two airbags ,to keep the sunlight from abusing the rubber....also the shock mounts could use a double ear mount for both end of shock to really strengthen the mount...just 2 of my observations....
Awesome trailer guys.
Can you guys test the standard gooseneck with the shocker hitch
Happy St. Patrick's day tfltruck
I pull a 40' PJ with air ride suspension and i think overall that's a better setup
I agree. I work for an airline and full air ride is required to move our turbine engines. I purchased a PJ Trailers and a RAM 2500 with rear air suspension to accomplish that. the ride is fantastic.
@@ianweight6444 and it doesn't look as goofy!
I would be interested to know the weight difference between the two trailers. If you hot shot comfort is a big deal, but so is carrying capacity. Its a great idea but basically having two gooseneck uprights in the front seems like it would reduce capacity. If it doesnt then heck yeah I would pull one!!
both of these tests were done with 32 ft. trailers and the floatride weights about 380 lbs more.
What is the weight delta? I assume it adds weight to the trailer lowering the payload.
I’m sold
And it's still got leaf spring suspension on the axles.
So is the overall length increased or is the load surface shorter? Also is the weight capacity reduced due to the additional weight of the trailer?
My fifth wheel has an air ride pin box it works well.
Great idea, but trailers typically sit outside uncovered, or are in use outside; what's the expected lifespan of those airbags?
In 20 years of tractor-trailer use I have lost 1 airbag, and that was in a 15 year old rig.
Legal hook is the chains hooked to the chain, not the stake pocket. That’s a fine in Minnesota. The pivot should be bigger with weight transfer to under slung air bags so they couldn’t potentially blow in your face.
Chains go criss cross Andre
Yes they do for a conventional / bumper pull setup to cradle the hitch from underneath. Not for a gooseneck trailer.
Nice trailer 😎👍 If you rly wanna test it. Test it against shocker hitches and the other brands of hitches.
Can you guys get a 7.3 dually to test out!! Thing sounded amazing and also compare a 6.2 to the 7.3 both 10 speeds
That is a 7.3 dually
My question is how much does this cost to fix. If you hotshot and use it 7 days a week how well does it hold up? Do they warranty the parts?
Well these are the types of components that are used on heavy equipment all day everyday, so I would say it will be pretty dang robust. Doesn’t mean I don’t agree with your thoughts, just my opinion.
@@specforged5651 most bags are under the trailer, with these in the sun all the time, wonder if the shortens the life span
Bill Thorsby..Very true. Although you would think that would be just as hard on them with the road grime and especially salt where I live. Just cool to see something different, especially for us guys this that pull large equipment regularly. I’m already trying to figure out a way to make this work on my 40’ gooseneck snowmobile and sand car trailer. When we fill the tank under the floor with race gas and get six sleds and all our gear in there we are getting up around 16,000lbs and it sure would be nice. Pretty sure it’s. It going to work with the enclosed, but hey lol.
Bill Thorsby yea I wonder if we’ll see some sort of protective housing on later models
I'm trying to understand how they were able to tow that much weight with 7.3 gas v8?? that backhoe and trailer weigh at over 30000 lbs.. I thought only the diesel engine was able to tow that much
Try that air ride trailer with the air ride Ram dually. 🌴🌴🌴
I would love to see how this compares to an air ride gooseneck
Great idea now try to make a small rgn with this type of system
I feel like adding air suspension to the truck and trailer would make more sense
A cool series would be to do these types of tests with hitch setups on half tons etc... Hensley arrow, the eliminator setup, pro-ride and then do the fifth wheel setups like here in the video. I know Hensley has something with air ride on it too but not like this.
I suggest axle weighing both those trailers on a certified scale and see what it does to weight distribution. (If you already have, sorry I’m new!)
Gen-y Hitch also has an elastomer goose-ball hitch, you should test one.
Airbag hitch also available
That is pretty sweet. A float ride behind an air ride truck would possibly be Cadillac. Thank you.
What is the empty weight difference between the two?
How did the truck preform as a dually and 7.3 with all the wait?
What would it have to form in advance? That is what preform means, right?
A F450 with Limited interior, and a 6 air bag auto leveling Kelderman lift. A 40 ft trailer with 4 bags per axle that's also automated. And finally a neck that has this system. Trucks closing in on 40k of towing and with all this air ride is really crazy to think about just where pickups were 10 years ago.
I wonder how it would be with all air ride. Air on the truck like the Ram, that air ride gooseneck and air on the trailer suspension.
I think it would still flex because of the shocks
Screw the trailer, I love that truck! ❤️