I'd love to see a "Second look: After playing a lot of games review" of this game and Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game. These walkthroughs are good and all, but I'd love to hear opinions. Why is M:CP a good game, where does it shine, what are the not so good things.
I believe the movement sticks are indeed 3, 5 and 7 inches, but you have to use the bevel on both sides. If you measure from the middle of the curve to middle of curve accounting for the round base it is actually just inches nothing proprietary other than using it instead of a ruler.
looking at the movement sticks they are front of base to back of base so it incorperates the length of the base too. so that means bigger base minis move further for the same move range. that may be why they are non standard by the looks of it.
@@colinpritchard2067 Much to the fact they went from metal to a crappy resin formula (also, the true size minis are too thin at ankles, wrists, etc and break too easily). The stats changed too much from 1st to 2nd ed, which they barely told the retailers they were doing, which then invalidated much of the stores stock (old cards). Now they are moving on to third edition which appears to have the same stats change issues AND their new releases now keep packing new models with old ones that players already own or at price points that are way to high (you can buy them separate cheaper). They just plain suck at communication and doing anything to help retailers and their customer service is DREADFUL!
Thanks for adding the comment about the licensed game surcharge. Many folks dont think about that. The Marvel License is the most expensive on the market right now and has been for years.
40:00 Small correction, after reading the rules, Captain Marvel's passive works during BEAM attacks, not during ENERGY attacks, which is a special type of attack that uses the attack ruler as a 'beam' , as shown by the picture of the Hulk, as you did that. It doesn't matter at all but it bothers me.
@@kaibe5241 Batman Miniatures Game. It's been out for about 10 years now and on its 3rd edition. You play a crew (Riddler, Joker, Militia, etc) and have about 5 to 10 models each. It's all street level DC (Green Arrow types) and ties in TV and movies as well as comics. The DC Universe Miniatures Game.is a spin off variety, all powered heroes and villains (Superman, Black Adam, etc). Before Crisi Protocol, Knight Model had the Marvel miniature game. They were a company known for its quality models, and then they built a game. Roll forward 10 years... we have Crisis Protocol.
I'm really curious to see what the cross-section will look like for Marvel fans that have never played a hobby game before, trying to get into this without experiencing something like it before and running unexpectedly into assembly, painting and the cost.
Is the distance for the move sticks a whole number if you add the base diameter to it? IE as if you measured front of base to front of base in a regular game.
The movement sticks for FFG are usually designed to me just not the same distance as the range rulers. Example, in Star Wars legion range 2 is just farther than speed 2.
Man, if only this came out 5 years ago, lol. I'm just super heroed out at this point. Kinda like the GoT game, or even Star Wars Legion. The me of 5 years ago would have jumped at any of those. Now... Eh. It'd be interesting to learn more about the IP licensing process for these games, or how/when/why they decide now is the time.
I think the reason for "why now" is Asmodee has exploded in size in the past 5 years. They have had/are having great success with the Star Wars license (also owned by the Mouse) and now has the money, a great track record, etc and likely can now afford the Marvel License (the most expensive out there), possibly at a discount from the Mouse due to the success they have with Star Wars. Their original SW license only encompassed the original trilogy and the new movies. The prequels were not in it. The release of the Clone Wars for Xwing and Legion minis shows they must have expanded/re-negotiated the license.
@@patrickweaver3405 true. But I feel like asmodee has been a power house for years. Post avengers endgame just seems late. I mean it's not like marvel hasn't been a hot IP for a decade. But without talking to them we'll probably not really knowm
ZeeLobby it takes time to put these together. So chances are they started well over two years ago. Design and then play testing putting it together then months to print and ship.
I bought it but I don't see any extras pieces and no way they can match easily. Even a friend that is a professional model painter told me that he had a hard time with glue and all this plastic that don't match.
I'm 80% on this now. I would love to see Fantastic Four. Seeing an announcement for Ka-Zar would make my head explode; not because I like Ka-Zar, but it would mean they're going deep into Marvel without focusing on MCU stuff.
43:30 Counterpoint: Superhero miniatures games are not all tied to big licensed IPs. Four-Color Figures' Supersystem rules have been through multiple editions for around 20 years now, and Pulp City has been around almost that long. There are many "generic" supers figs on the market from manufacturers like Old Glory, Crossover Miniatures, and Reaper, to name a few. None of them are paying licensing fees, many are downright bargains, and nost "independent" rules systems let you design your own characters so you can even play with your Marvel/DC/whatever supers if that's what you want to do. You could even use the Crisis Protocol figs. And as an extra plus, all the other rule sets use tape measures instead of proprietary gimmicks. :)
Definitely apples and oranges. Getting minis in heroclix is basically like buying a pack of magic cards, blind boxes/ ever-expanding collection. Crisis Protocol is more like Warhammer, you grab the 10 models you want in your army, paint them up, and you're good to go until (or if) your affiliation gets support
Heh. "Has ten dice it, should be enough for you and your opponent." Few weeks later and the Hulk can be rolling 14 dice at max before outside modifiers. Going to need more dice. :)
Bar 3 or so figures not really heroes and villains that appeal to me. A bit of a shame as it means that to get into the game I have to invest basically into a ton of figs I do not want. I think i'll skip.
Nice review. I really think the Knights game is better and has simpler mechanics. Seems like this game just ripped it off. 8 sided dice, power, etc. I dislike the custom dice here, just makes things annoying, and the measuring devices is sort of annoying.
Good luck find a store or community playing a KM game. My group won't touch anything made by them and i don't know of any stores with 75 miles that are willing to stock it. MCP is being sold by every game store near me and my ENTIRE group is diving in.
Better is relative, but KM having simpler mechanics? I don't think so....each character in KM have tons of skills and abilities that gives modifiers to different things, and remembering them all is not simple at all. I like KM game but this appears much more streamlined
@@tomryan3768 ya, KM burned too many retailers and distributors. They are in for a rude awakening I think. Not to mention the fines they had to pay for illegallng selling the Marvel minis they made.
I'd love to see a "Second look: After playing a lot of games review" of this game and Middle Earth Strategy Battle Game. These walkthroughs are good and all, but I'd love to hear opinions. Why is M:CP a good game, where does it shine, what are the not so good things.
Cant wait for a lets play
with the measuring, usually it comes out to a pretty normal distance when you add a base into it. IE measuring from front of base to front of base.
or rather, if you measure the insides of the movement tools. that's when you get the expected 3, 5 and 7 inches.
I believe the movement sticks are indeed 3, 5 and 7 inches, but you have to use the bevel on both sides. If you measure from the middle of the curve to middle of curve accounting for the round base it is actually just inches nothing proprietary other than using it instead of a ruler.
Baron Zemo :D ! Not A list? He was a solid Captain America villain, ran the Masters of Evil vs. the Avengers, and lead the Thunderbolts "hero" team.
I think Ash has admitted he is more into the gritty heroes, as a long time comic nerd I was laughing at his name guesses.
@@Justted227 It's pretty rare I can give him the gears on a gaming commentary so I chose my battles like Baron Xena :P .
The miniature for Galactus will just be a pair of size 23 purple Doc Martens
The extra bits are genius! Tiny, fiddly bits always give me anxiety when I glue them (inevitably to my fingers too).
For plastic models I recommend tamiya plastic cement
It's not sticky and messy like super glue
Baron Keto slaying carbs!
looking at the movement sticks they are front of base to back of base so it incorperates the length of the base too. so that means bigger base minis move further for the same move range. that may be why they are non standard by the looks of it.
Sooooo...thoughts on this vs. Knight Models DC minis game?
This game will be EVERYWHERE.
I don't know any store that sells DC in the Boston metro area
Yeah the problem with Knight is the distribution. Game stores have given up on them as well.
@@colinpritchard2067 Much to the fact they went from metal to a crappy resin formula (also, the true size minis are too thin at ankles, wrists, etc and break too easily). The stats changed too much from 1st to 2nd ed, which they barely told the retailers they were doing, which then invalidated much of the stores stock (old cards). Now they are moving on to third edition which appears to have the same stats change issues AND their new releases now keep packing new models with old ones that players already own or at price points that are way to high (you can buy them separate cheaper). They just plain suck at communication and doing anything to help retailers and their customer service is DREADFUL!
Patrick Weaver well knight models is a very small company... asmodee on the other hand....
I wonder if a DBA/Xwing single measure stick style would work well.
Thanks for adding the comment about the licensed game surcharge. Many folks dont think about that. The Marvel License is the most expensive on the market right now and has been for years.
Holy cow, Q3 and Q4 are pretty insane when it comes to reviews!
What are the measurements from the top of the arc? Looks like the measurements would be closer if not dead on from the top of thearcs.
Good review as always! I hope they make 2 starter for the X-Men as well
What rules aren't included with the Core Box?
I just got into it, I've been utterly amazed at the miniature quality. Like... these miniatures are seriously fucking good!!!
How do the cars compare, size wise, with the plastic ones from the Walking Dead?
Roughly the same. Maybe slightly bigger but you wouldn’t notice
Do you think BMG terrain works for this?
Looking forward to boosters of certain characters, a little disappointed how big they are, but it doesn’t seem too bad.
Honestly they're not much bigger than a Space Marine or Warmachine figures. Any of your terrain should work fine with these.
Looking forward to the "Let's Play." I am curiouse how you compare this to the Batman Miniture game...
How does it compare vs Marvel Universe Miniatures game?
I'd be interested just for the models to paint really.
Needs more Nightcrawler
Are the sticks maybe reasonable numbers in mm?
Range 1 - 1”
Range 2 - 3”
Range 3 - 6”
Range 4 - 8”
Range 5 - 10”
@@DanteMustLearn I meant the movement ones.
@@BrinPaints I mean; I didn't check but all the Range Rulers were in Imperial... so I don't know why they'd suddenly switch to metric lol.
@@BrinPaints Short: 85mm
(2 moves of 42.5mm)
Medium: 130mm
(2 moves of 65mm)
Long: 185mm (2 moves of 92.5mm)
@@DanteMustLearn those sound more like they were designed in cm then 🤣
40:00 Small correction, after reading the rules, Captain Marvel's passive works during BEAM attacks, not during ENERGY attacks, which is a special type of attack that uses the attack ruler as a 'beam' , as shown by the picture of the Hulk, as you did that. It doesn't matter at all but it bothers me.
Really looking forward to the Let's Play for this.
This is the review I've been waiting for. Expecting a real BMG v MCP comparison.
Probably more similar to DCUMG
BMG?
@@kaibe5241 Batman Miniatures Game. It's been out for about 10 years now and on its 3rd edition. You play a crew (Riddler, Joker, Militia, etc) and have about 5 to 10 models each. It's all street level DC (Green Arrow types) and ties in TV and movies as well as comics.
The DC Universe Miniatures Game.is a spin off variety, all powered heroes and villains (Superman, Black Adam, etc).
Before Crisi Protocol, Knight Model had the Marvel miniature game. They were a company known for its quality models, and then they built a game. Roll forward 10 years... we have Crisis Protocol.
I'm really curious to see what the cross-section will look like for Marvel fans that have never played a hobby game before, trying to get into this without experiencing something like it before and running unexpectedly into assembly, painting and the cost.
Asmodee rulesets give me a headache
Is the distance for the move sticks a whole number if you add the base diameter to it? IE as if you measured front of base to front of base in a regular game.
No not quite
I really like that the learn to play book really looks like a comic
Game: Measuring sticks exist Ash: *triggered*
are the movement sticks perhaps standard lengths when measured from middle of indent to middle of indent?
Range 1 is the width of a stick indent know if that's what you mean
Really looking forward to this. /Watches review to see if hype is justified
The movement sticks for FFG are usually designed to me just not the same distance as the range rulers. Example, in Star Wars legion range 2 is just farther than speed 2.
Man, if only this came out 5 years ago, lol. I'm just super heroed out at this point. Kinda like the GoT game, or even Star Wars Legion. The me of 5 years ago would have jumped at any of those. Now... Eh. It'd be interesting to learn more about the IP licensing process for these games, or how/when/why they decide now is the time.
I think the reason for "why now" is Asmodee has exploded in size in the past 5 years. They have had/are having great success with the Star Wars license (also owned by the Mouse) and now has the money, a great track record, etc and likely can now afford the Marvel License (the most expensive out there), possibly at a discount from the Mouse due to the success they have with Star Wars. Their original SW license only encompassed the original trilogy and the new movies. The prequels were not in it. The release of the Clone Wars for Xwing and Legion minis shows they must have expanded/re-negotiated the license.
@@patrickweaver3405 true. But I feel like asmodee has been a power house for years. Post avengers endgame just seems late. I mean it's not like marvel hasn't been a hot IP for a decade. But without talking to them we'll probably not really knowm
ZeeLobby it takes time to put these together. So chances are they started well over two years ago. Design and then play testing putting it together then months to print and ship.
I bought it but I don't see any extras pieces and no way they can match easily. Even a friend that is a professional model painter told me that he had a hard time with glue and all this plastic that don't match.
Those character cards seem a bit flimsy in your hands, are they thicker/tougher than they looked here?
Not really. But they’re probably easily sleeved with photo covers
I'm excited for this game! My one worry is the game system hasn't let them give the characters personality
Still concerned?
I don't think I'm buying into another game, but if I were, this looks pretty cool! Good overview Ash.
Smart man. If you're like any of the rest of us, you have 3-4 systems already.
I'm 80% on this now. I would love to see Fantastic Four. Seeing an announcement for Ka-Zar would make my head explode; not because I like Ka-Zar, but it would mean they're going deep into Marvel without focusing on MCU stuff.
Well they had Modok as a first wave model... so they’re not messing around with sticking to MCU!
whats the scale ?
Can you use these minis with the Knight Models rules?
I mean, will ninjas come to your house and stop you?
KM ones are ~32-5mm scale and these are ~35mm, maybe a bit bigger so they should be fine.
Great looking models and HIPS is always a good choice. Shame about the non-standard measuring. Review is gold as always ;)
Yeah but this isn't Kill Team 2 measuring (fuck me dead), we can deal with these tools np :)
43:30 Counterpoint: Superhero miniatures games are not all tied to big licensed IPs. Four-Color Figures' Supersystem rules have been through multiple editions for around 20 years now, and Pulp City has been around almost that long. There are many "generic" supers figs on the market from manufacturers like Old Glory, Crossover Miniatures, and Reaper, to name a few. None of them are paying licensing fees, many are downright bargains, and nost "independent" rules systems let you design your own characters so you can even play with your Marvel/DC/whatever supers if that's what you want to do. You could even use the Crisis Protocol figs. And as an extra plus, all the other rule sets use tape measures instead of proprietary gimmicks. :)
Would you say this is better or worse than Heroclix? Or is it apples-oranges?
Definitely apples and oranges. Getting minis in heroclix is basically like buying a pack of magic cards, blind boxes/ ever-expanding collection. Crisis Protocol is more like Warhammer, you grab the 10 models you want in your army, paint them up, and you're good to go until (or if) your affiliation gets support
I personally would put many many beer bottles on Irons mans base.
I cannot believe you just compared Baron Zemo to Crossbones... or compared Bane to Crossbones
You should save the Starbucks cup for your Stark army....just saying...missed opportunity.
👑
I totes agree with this review.
I like the idea and set up of this game, but the custom widgets annoys me
Heh. "Has ten dice it, should be enough for you and your opponent." Few weeks later and the Hulk can be rolling 14 dice at max before outside modifiers. Going to need more dice. :)
"Avengers: Unassemble!"
My big fear is they don't let the characters have enough personality through the ability design.
The game seems surprisingly complex?
If they make this box but with X-Men, I am so in.
RIGHT?!
Good box opening, but gee, you're brutal! :D
Probly metric system. Only 3 countries in the world that use inches. Sorry for the bad english.
Except the ranges are all in inches!
I hope they put out an X-Men one
RIGHT?!!!!
Bar 3 or so figures not really heroes and villains that appeal to me.
A bit of a shame as it means that to get into the game I have to invest basically into a ton of figs I do not want.
I think i'll skip.
Inches suck. Metric system should be standard everywhere.
Baron Zemo is B+ - list!
AWWWW YEEEAH
Ah yes the classic FFG awkward movement rulers
Don't forget the token fetish!
Baron Chemo 😂😂🤣🤣
"And of course Captain Marvel". Of course? She was never even C-list Avenger.
But she’s in the movies... meaning she’s in the box.
@@GuerrillaMiniatureGames fair enough! 🙂
its like heroclix
"Baron Chemo" XD
Nice review. I really think the Knights game is better and has simpler mechanics. Seems like this game just ripped it off. 8 sided dice, power, etc. I dislike the custom dice here, just makes things annoying, and the measuring devices is sort of annoying.
Good luck find a store or community playing a KM game.
My group won't touch anything made by them and i don't know of any stores with 75 miles that are willing to stock it.
MCP is being sold by every game store near me and my ENTIRE group is diving in.
Better is relative, but KM having simpler mechanics? I don't think so....each character in KM have tons of skills and abilities that gives modifiers to different things, and remembering them all is not simple at all. I like KM game but this appears much more streamlined
Tom Ryan we play knights games a few times a week here.
@@tomryan3768 ya, KM burned too many retailers and distributors. They are in for a rude awakening I think. Not to mention the fines they had to pay for illegallng selling the Marvel minis they made.
The Doc Ock model/design is the worst xD
Seriously? You are reading in a video?