Portugal gets quite hot in the summer.. 35Cº and around that.. cant really blame them, the beach is 15 minutes away from the circuit.. they probably came from there XD
It happens now, on Fridays and Saturdays. Totally nonsense by the FIA. Apparently the believe accidents only happen on Sundays (Kevin Magnussen's Renault disagreed recently).
+Assoluta Late 80's and early 90's...back when F1 had awesome personalities (Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Berger....), awesome races and awesome Murray Walker. Now it's greased up idiots who have the personality of a baked potato and the races are about as predictable as Donald Trump (very predictable in other words). They don't make F1 like this anymore.
Wow, whenever I go back to the 'childhood days' of my F1 fandom, I'm always reminded of a kind of 'provincial', amateurish element of the sport. In this case, it's Murray commentating via phone line. It's weird, because it's not as if we looked at F1 in the 1980's and thought of it as unglamorous, it's always had the air of glamour around it. But yeah, certain bits and pieces are very much about a sport still in nascence. For example, it's been quite a while since tyre warmers were introduced, but I have a distinct memory of a photo in one of my F1 magazines, can't remember which year exactly but mid-80's, of a car with a mass of hot towels on the tyres.
You're correct, and I believe much of the reason for this is because an F1 car is an eternal prototype. F1 is a never ending experiment in getting the most from the least.
I'm not absolutely sure about what really happened here: either it was Mansell that f***ed it all up on his own, somehow, or the Mclaren mechanics didn't give him enough free space to approach his pit. Either way, pit stops in Estoril surely weren't on Nigel's list of favourite things, because two years later, also when leading the race, a wheel fell off right after his stop, which virtually ended his title hopes that year.
+Heksu99 thatmk you. I mean have you seen their shorts they only go down to mid thigh. Most men today would be embarrassed to wear those. But that was the style of the 80s.
At the 8 second mark, Murray states 'Senna is not out', which confused me for years, having only watched the BBC Highlights aged 8 (can't remember if they showed it live in the UK). This comment made sense watching the live version years later, as a few laps previously Piquet and Caffi collided and I believe Murray thought the Dallara was a Mclaren in the low afternoon sun, before realising his mistake a few laps later🙂
I'm sure it was and I can only imagine, which is hard to do. I love present era Formula One, but the old days were so much different and almost all the footage is exciting to watch.
Sad day for me. Mansell was in total control until this pit stop. He missed the pit stop position because the space that he had was to narrow and he avoid hitting the mechanics. Then he reverse to his position (and for that was black flagged). Mansell did not saw the black flag, so he continue and had an accident with Senna. Senna did not knew Mansell had a black flag either.
@PippinRally Yep, they can. Although the reverse gear is incredibly small, and a driver must be careful to keep the revs low or else he'll cause some serious damage. Supposedly drivers are discouraged from using the reverse gear and you'll see most of them do a burnout to spin around as it's quicker, anyway. This year at Monaco you saw a few cars reversing out of run-off areas during the practice sessions.
Since it's not an automatic DQ, they sometimes took their chances. Piquet did the same in Monaco. It's up to the marshals to call it.. so I guess it's worth to try. What really stinks though is that he took out Ayrton in the process. And he claimed to be the true gentleman of racing. Right..
Haha.. Yeah, "in the good ol' days" - when there were no pit-lane speed limits and cars could rip down there at 200mph (if they were capable)! ..Not all rule changes are for the worse! ;o))
Well as you propably can quess, the safety regulations, especially the safety of the pit crew wasnt really considered to be an issue back then....so no one was wearing protective gear, no helmets, nothing...these times I dont think its even allowed for camera men to work on pitlane, atlest without an helmet when the race is on, but I could be wrong.
Yes Mansell did take out Senna. I've been watching Formula one since 1985, and I saw that race live. Review the 1989 FIA review VHS, 1989 AutoCourse, or check out why Senna retired from the 1989 race in Portugal.
@@puketai '..should have faced attempted murder charges, or something like that....' - 😂Wow! That's a bit OTT, in my opinion! What part of it was 'covered up'?? The incident was plain for everyone to see! Maybe you mean something other than 'covered up'?
no they don't do refuelling anymore, but they still have to wear protective gear and helmets, even though from 2013 on cars will only be allowed to use the pitlane in the electric-motor-mode (!).
No, the mechanics pushing the car back into the correct position is the procedure for when a driver overshoots his pit box. The regulations say that you cannot use a reverse gear while in the pit lane, hence the black flag.
There was no refuelling back then, it was not required a fire suits. Since 1994, only five years later, the pit crew is like today, with all the equipment for the safety.
I cant recall what year they banned shifting into reverse in the pit lane. These days you cannot back up in the pit lane, the team can push you back if you havent passed the pit exit line but otherwise no going backward. Watching Mansell do it there is now wonder it was outlawed, that sure looked like an accident ready to happen.
@zabraoota He actually did not lead a race, he won friday qualifing at the French GP 2003, when he was the only one with his teammate to use dry tyres on fast drying track
Technically he did, but it was still a Toro Rosso rather then an actual Minardi, plus to me too many changes took place between Toro Rosso and Minardi for them to be truly considered the same team IMO.
I assume for safety reasons. He should have gone out and come in on the next lap instead. You can't have guys reversing around in the pit since it would be total chaos.
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Mechanics dressed like they are on vacation. Imagine that this would happen now
Portugal gets quite hot in the summer.. 35Cº and around that.. cant really blame them, the beach is 15 minutes away from the circuit.. they probably came from there XD
It happens now, on Fridays and Saturdays. Totally nonsense by the FIA. Apparently the believe accidents only happen on Sundays (Kevin Magnussen's Renault disagreed recently).
I think that was happening even up in early 2000s season.
You are incorrect; it stopped in 1994.
Yeah it was 1994. That's when they started refueling during pit stops, which was previously banned in 1984, and then later in 2010.
No pitlane speed limits in those days (until '94) - f'in crazy!
I don't know how there wasn't more major incidents in pitlane!
Just luck.
lmao, everyone was in shorts, no helmets.
Better drivers
Quelle erano corse:ora solo TEATRO!
cause everyone was on fear and paid as much attention as only could + luck for sure
disqualified in '89, Won it in '90, Disqualified in '91 for illegal pit stop, Won it in '92. Also won it in '86
Lol what a relaxed pit crew... just wearing regular t shirts as you do...
Assoluta Who needs skin, right?
+Assoluta no refuelling back then as it is today :) no need for fireproof clothes, you often see todays mechanics in shorts during practice
+Assoluta Late 80's and early 90's...back when F1 had awesome personalities (Senna, Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Berger....), awesome races and awesome Murray Walker.
Now it's greased up idiots who have the personality of a baked potato and the races are about as predictable as Donald Trump (very predictable in other words).
They don't make F1 like this anymore.
Berger? One of the most boring drivers in F1.
BLITZund DONNER True...but the ones driving today are even more boring. And at least Berger had his moments.
This video's been on youtube for 10 years and it still says Brand Prix.
almost 13 now
14 and still
@@ForzaPolska06 maybe they died.
@@kryten88 maybe
@@kryten88 damn...
Look at the cute little steering wheel
xXxMartin96xXx that had flappy paddles
much more exciting than now
lol... I would not even have guessed those gearboxes have a reverse :)
+Darude Sandstorm It is mandatory to have one
Yes, since between 1966-69.
Vince D they have since 1970 or something.....
you idiot
@@jasmine-jx3sc o_o
And this led to a Minardi leading a race for the first (and only) time. :) Just for one lap though.
If i become a billionaire i will bring Manardi back. I said if and F1 is if bsckwards.
+Mark Mallone Meant Minardi, phone sucks.
Mark Mallone Who would you get engines from? Ford-Cosworth, Ferrari, Mercedes Benz, BMW, JUDD, or Honda?
Porsche engines would be a good choice seeing as they (VW) need to improve their image after the emissions cheating scandal.
Lamborghini V12 engine would be the best. The Minardi M192 had a great sound.
Wow, whenever I go back to the 'childhood days' of my F1 fandom, I'm always reminded of a kind of 'provincial', amateurish element of the sport. In this case, it's Murray commentating via phone line.
It's weird, because it's not as if we looked at F1 in the 1980's and thought of it as unglamorous, it's always had the air of glamour around it. But yeah, certain bits and pieces are very much about a sport still in nascence. For example, it's been quite a while since tyre warmers were introduced, but I have a distinct memory of a photo in one of my F1 magazines, can't remember which year exactly but mid-80's, of a car with a mass of hot towels on the tyres.
that's so well put. you're right. no matter how unrefined things were, F1 did always have that sense of glamour about it
This comment is seriously underrated.
You're correct, and I believe much of the reason for this is because an F1 car is an eternal prototype. F1 is a never ending experiment in getting the most from the least.
Hot towels!
They really did everything that's possible at that time...
The bad audio quality is just because of poor exporting onto youtube you can find the same race with way better audio
Such bold fashion statements back then.
Love how casual this is, it's like he is just cruising into a space in a supermarket car park!
How beatiful the F1 car was at that time...
Most beautiful F1 car to me, ever.
I'm not absolutely sure about what really happened here: either it was Mansell that f***ed it all up on his own, somehow, or the Mclaren mechanics didn't give him enough free space to approach his pit. Either way, pit stops in Estoril surely weren't on Nigel's list of favourite things, because two years later, also when leading the race, a wheel fell off right after his stop, which virtually ended his title hopes that year.
Gotta love the 80s fast cars and short shorts
short circuits? Today's cars race on short circuits....
+Ian Excalibur where did you pull word circuit? He is talking about the mechanics' clothes
+Heksu99 thatmk you. I mean have you seen their shorts they only go down to mid thigh. Most men today would be embarrassed to wear those. But that was the style of the 80s.
You should work on your reading comprehension..
@Jonathan Bovier But modern circuits today are crap, apart from the golden oldies and then they have been made tooooooo safe.....
aaah, the good old confused ferrari-pitstop days! ;)
Like last week?
Not so old
James hunt and Murray Walker were legends in the commentary box.
Just because they wear protective gear for cars coming at them at 60mph doesn't make them wimpy.
He was driving too fast. You can see him locking up both front wheels. Quite a remarkable error for such an experienced driver.
No pitlane speed limit back then, it was because he reversed in the pitlane.
That's the first F1 Car (Ferrari 640) which have semiautomatic gearbox.
No helmets or suits in the pit. Good old times.
Sacriphyx Well, good old times but happy they wear helmets now, you know, after all this is dangerous.
Sacriphyx Good old times of people getting burnt alive, huh?
Grim Bonkers No, but good old times when you had to have balls.
having balls>getting burnt alive
No refuelling back then
At the 8 second mark, Murray states 'Senna is not out', which confused me for years, having only watched the BBC Highlights aged 8 (can't remember if they showed it live in the UK). This comment made sense watching the live version years later, as a few laps previously Piquet and Caffi collided and I believe Murray thought the Dallara was a Mclaren in the low afternoon sun, before realising his mistake a few laps later🙂
in 1989 there were no pitlane speed limits
Only in 1994 after the Imola GP it was implemented.
+الأخ حسام yeah after someone's wheel hopped up to the press box and almost killed a spectators.
+supercooled
Good to know these things.
Just imagine :)
Racing was way more exciting back then.
I'm sure it was and I can only imagine, which is hard to do. I love present era Formula One, but the old days were so much different and almost all the footage is exciting to watch.
Sad day for me. Mansell was in total control until this pit stop. He missed the pit stop position because the space that he had was to narrow and he avoid hitting the mechanics. Then he reverse to his position (and for that was black flagged). Mansell did not saw the black flag, so he continue and had an accident with Senna. Senna did not knew Mansell had a black flag either.
Haha...this.was.fun.to.read...anyway.lovely.races.and.drivers...nobody.like.them.anymore
0:38 - He will crash with Senna after knowing that he is black-flagged
0:32 He loves his team mates..
Back when F1 was watchable
@PippinRally Yep, they can. Although the reverse gear is incredibly small, and a driver must be careful to keep the revs low or else he'll cause some serious damage. Supposedly drivers are discouraged from using the reverse gear and you'll see most of them do a burnout to spin around as it's quicker, anyway. This year at Monaco you saw a few cars reversing out of run-off areas during the practice sessions.
Back in the day Pitt crew dressed like we are in barbecue party lol love it
lol you guys seen how the Crew members were totally surprised by his entrance lol
why did he reverse in the pitlane? he must know that for this is disqualification!
He probably thought he could maybe JUST get away with it.
Since it's not an automatic DQ, they sometimes took their chances. Piquet did the same in Monaco. It's up to the marshals to call it.. so I guess it's worth to try. What really stinks though is that he took out Ayrton in the process. And he claimed to be the true gentleman of racing. Right..
I think in that moment you have a lot of other things on mind than that specific regulation
He's driving a Ferrari, that's allowed!!
well he wasn't disqualified soooo...yeah
Haha.. Yeah, "in the good ol' days" - when there were no pit-lane speed limits and cars could rip down there at 200mph (if they were capable)!
..Not all rule changes are for the worse! ;o))
He thought he could catch new tyres at 150 km/h, No wonder he missed the service station!
Sad pit lane speed limitation didn't exist then...
They're F1 cars, never underestimate their ability to catch fire lol. Remember Heidfeld at Hungary in 2011?
They just let the pit crew wear shorts? Am I really seeing this?
Hot work.
Well as you propably can quess, the safety regulations, especially the safety of the pit crew wasnt really considered to be an issue back then....so no one was wearing protective gear, no helmets, nothing...these times I dont think its even allowed for camera men to work on pitlane, atlest without an helmet when the race is on, but I could be wrong.
They didn't do refuelling those days, so it was considered there's no need for fire protection. Refuelling was re-introduced in 1994.
they changed tyres in short trousers
Yes Mansell did take out Senna. I've been watching Formula one since 1985, and I saw that race live. Review the 1989 FIA review VHS, 1989 AutoCourse, or check out why Senna retired from the 1989 race in Portugal.
@@puketai '..should have faced attempted murder charges, or something like that....' - 😂Wow! That's a bit OTT, in my opinion!
What part of it was 'covered up'?? The incident was plain for everyone to see! Maybe you mean something other than 'covered up'?
Mansell never did have much luck in the pits at Estoril.
The first BRAND prix i've ever seen :D
Do you know a single thing about what you're talking about? today's races are with a single tank, there is no more refueling in F1.
no they don't do refuelling anymore, but they still have to wear protective gear and helmets, even though from 2013 on cars will only be allowed to use the pitlane in the electric-motor-mode (!).
Wait, I didn't know they could reverse!
I remember this one. Mansell black flagged for reversing into his pitbox.
The moment Senna's 1989 title was destroyed.
didnt button do the same thing but forwards?
retroceso?
Lol 😂 good of McLaren to change Nigel’s tyres for him haha
No helmet, T-shirts, shorts.
pit crew still in t-shirts and shorts!! :D
crazy times.
@proGoalie88
i noticed that too lol
but then realized refueling was banned back then..... hence why no fire safety equipment.....
No, the mechanics pushing the car back into the correct position is the procedure for when a driver overshoots his pit box. The regulations say that you cannot use a reverse gear while in the pit lane, hence the black flag.
I've been watching too many fails, i read the title as back-flip pitstop
Nigel wasn't too lucky with the pitstops at Estoril. At first this, in 1991 another failure.
Still he did win in 1990 (thanks Caffi crash), Senna almost thanked him for that!
There was no refuelling back then, it was not required a fire suits. Since 1994, only five years later, the pit crew is like today, with all the equipment for the safety.
Full speed in the pits in those days too
When Nigel messed up this pitstop it allowed Pierluigi Martini to take the lead, he was the one driving the Minardi.
where the cars at that time really that much faster than nowadays or does it just seem this way?
with the 2017 regs cars should be at their fastest they have ever been
Those were the days, there was no pit speed limit, hence they got into the pits at very high speed. Some excited the pit lane at well over 150 mph.
More like get killed by a driving machete at 150 mph in the pits
Nigel met la marche arrière tranquille ! No panic ! Ce mec est épatant !
He back to race and hits the Senna's car, after passed by the black flag 3 times... aff...
I love this man
Incredibile driver
Mansell forever
If he had let the mechanics push him back he would've been fine. No wonder it took him until his final season really to win the world championship 🙃
can some1 explain 4 me?
@seban678 no duh.... but refueling was reinstated back in the early 90's up until last season when they banned it againi
Wish I could reverse park that quickly ^_^
Shame for Mansell, he was set to win the race quite easily.
Half of the mechanics in the pit area are wearing short-shorts...
" Mansell : A eternal idiot faster" By Nelson Piquet.
yes, 2007 in monaco kimi raikkönen used it after he crashed and he didn't get the next corner, so he used it!
Damn This video is 10 years old
it's in Portugal, very hot summers!
Cars seemed so much faster with the on board camera.
Nigel Mansell was rumoured to be taking part in a Wall Stadium Speedway race, but turned out to be untrue.
Mansell did not get on with that Estoril pit lane.
Beautiful cars!
schumi used reverse on the grid at indy in 2002... not sure on the year, but he missed his grid slot and had to reverse
I cant recall what year they banned shifting into reverse in the pit lane. These days you cannot back up in the pit lane, the team can push you back if you havent passed the pit exit line but otherwise no going backward. Watching Mansell do it there is now wonder it was outlawed, that sure looked like an accident ready to happen.
I think he locked his wheels up and just didn't want to run into the pit team.
Schumacher would've just run em over, team boss jean todd would've fined or fired them for being in the way, and under the wheels.
more a formality than anything else. they're not going to catch fire while the tyres are changed...
You fucking did my day
@zabraoota He actually did not lead a race, he won friday qualifing at the French GP 2003, when he was the only one with his teammate to use dry tyres on fast drying track
I like your spider :)
@ssssroryssss2 not the only time. I've seen it a few times. (I clearly remember 2 of them)
I can hear the commentator sound is *very* familiar.Anyone can guess?
Technically he did, but it was still a Toro Rosso rather then an actual Minardi, plus to me too many changes took place between Toro Rosso and Minardi for them to be truly considered the same team IMO.
was he disqualify for reversi g? if so why is that even an infraction.
I assume for safety reasons. He should have gone out and come in on the next lap instead. You can't have guys reversing around in the pit since it would be total chaos.
That was 1989 - pit stop crew in shorts .....
does the commentator think that mansell's in a mclaren ??
If he got pushed back by his pit crew, would he still have been black flagged? I swear Ive seen that done before if they overshoot the box badly.
To they're descharge, it is FIA's and insurance's obligation...
what ? how ? I never knew Mansell drove for Minardi
Did Nigel Mansell ever race in IndyCar?
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Can somebody say to me what really happend here? I'm trying to get a clue but i cant...
I didn't even know F1 cars had reverse gear. Maybe I was thinking about planes.
some of the crew are dressed for a day at the beach
And thus, a Minardi led a lap.
You're not allowed to reverse in the pitlane :/
U spelt grand wrong in the description!
Brand Prix has changed so much. Even the name
Those days you could enter the pit full speed...
I couldn't believe that
The pit crew look like they just rocked up from a BBQ !ROFL!
They didn't refuel at the time, so they didn't need fireproof clothing.