For those who don't know. On the hairpin Mansell decided to wave his hand to the fans. And because of that he never shifted down gears. He took the hairpin on 5th gear. As you can imagine RPM went down dramatically. And because of that the electric central box from his Williams "understood" the engine was above to blow and immediatelly shut down the engine. And that was it.
Me lembro de ter visto em uma entrevista que o carro parou por pane seca , ele vinha abusando fazendo sucessivas voltas rapidas no final e isto comprometeu a corrida dele. Senna tambem perdeu o podium pelo mesmo motivo na inglaterra, o carro ficou sem gasolina na ultima volta
@@2mmarcelorj Marcelo yo también escuché esa teoría, pero no es cierta. Existe otra teoría que es que Mansell apretó sin querer el botón del paro automático del motor, pero esto no fue así tampoco. El verdadero motivo fue que Mansell no disminuyó las marchas del carro para tomar el hairpin en primera o segunda marcha. Las RPM cayeron tan brúscamente que la central eléctrica del Williams "comprendió" que el motor estaba por quebrarse. En consecuencia la central eléctrica del Williams detuvo inmediatamente el motor antes que explotara (situación que por supuesto nunca hubiera ocurrido).
Ernesto, what you did explain is correct. Patrick Head confirmed it. after that, the central box was reprogrammed. But what a mistake from Nigel. Senna could do this because a manual gearbox does not "think", it is just manual.
it was purely hydraulical, not electrical. The revs dropped too low, the hydraulic pressure dropped, then he even tried to downshift, but the hydraulic system did not have enough power anymore, the engine died.
"Piquet, What do you think about Mansell?" "Well, he's a fast idiot. He could be 4 times world champion. 3 times he could win the Championship easily but failed" Despite Nelson is word wide known for talking too much shit, in this case, i have to agree with him. Nigel was impressively fast but he never used his brains. He didn't know the time to take easy with the car, never raced thinking in score points. Instead, he forced too much the cars, resulting in not finish crucials races when he most needed. Drivers like Prost and Piquet were the opposite. They knew how to handle the races. They never worried in win every race. They always drove to finish more races and score more points as they could. If you are in the last 15, 10 laps, you must drive as carefully as possible because you want score some points to be World Champion in the end of the Season, obviously. It's better a 3rd or 5th than leading 69 of 70 laps but not finish in the points. Nigel never did like this, Mansell committed mistakes for not being gentle whit his cars in so many races... But, anyway, he was an amazing and very, very fast driver. I miss the 80's and early 90's F1 times.
He had 86 in the bag. That was an engineering issue, he would have known about it but had no choice but to stay out. He may not have been a Senna, Prost or Piquet as far as tactics were concerned. He did win 1 world Championship. That in my mind makes him a top level driver. It was an incredible period in GP history. Alan Jones I live in Australia) who I respect very much won 1 championship too, was always knocking Nigel.He is not a small guy, the Japanese’s accident would have hurt anybody. He was consistently racing close with Senna, the Monaco victory where he lost by less than a car length after a puncture I think was an amazing drive.
Or even Senna who could take a car with one gear and win. Mansell was good, but this race and Adelaide in 1986 show why he did not win as much as he should have.
Thats the typical Mansell thing... but thats why we love Mansell: the super talent super fast driver... but he is just your neighbour that you could go out to have a pint.
Ed and I were sitting at the hairpin that year, and as we were both big Mansell fans, were stoked as to what was about to happen. But then....disaster! We didn't find out that day what the problem was, but I seem to remember that it was a glitch in the nascent electronic transmission selector system. Am I correct or not? There are a host of opinions shared below.
According to Adrian Newey, while Mansell was waving to the crowd, he forgot to change down as he approached the hairpin, and of course he let the engine's revs drop too low and it stalled.
He forgot to downshift, which caused the engine to shut off. Same thing would happen today I believe if you tried to take a slow corner in a high gear.
When they got the car back it fired up no problem and selected all the gears. I do know that this Williams had gremlins that were not obvious. The crash at in Japan was caused by the active suspension. It lowered to far and caused Mansell to spin out. You have listen to the engine with the onboard replay to detect it
Patrick Head said on a podcast that Mansell let the revs drop too low. The alternator couldn't produce enough power to fire the engine AND the electrohydraulic gearbox, so the engine cut out when he tried change gears with revs to low. In typical Mansell fashion he let his victim complex takeover and blames the car! Don't get me wrong, Nigel is an absolute steel balled fearless beast. Yet he is a total boofhead at the same time. Edit: Anti-stall wasn't a thing back then.
and so Portugal, where the crew fucked him with wheel change, and in Brazil with electronic problems, and Imola with a hit from behind... that 91 he had lots of problems, this was his mistake, but the rest no.
really? forgetting Brazil where electronics fucked him, Imola where he was hit from behind, Portugal where pit crew didnt do his job and left a wheel lose... yes, THIS was the time, sure lol
wtf you all commenting y'all never driven F1 car in your life and talking "he didn't have a brain" or some shi* like that. Mansell is one of the best driver Ever and me or neither none of you couldn't even drive this suicide bolids.
@@oliverreno4734 this was never proven, but I believe it. Some mechanics also believe it was the fact he was driving so slowly, that he simply stalled.
Nigel itself said it was a technical failure and he didn't something wrong - and I believe him. He was a veteran player by this time and wouldn't make foolish things. When he did foolish things it was only because he was in a desperate position and had to go all in.
And to add insult to injury, his most bitter rival (the racist, homophobic, and now coup sponsor) Nelson Piquet won the race. His 23rd, and final victory.
Piquet is never boring, just says whatever occurs to his mind. That and his will to win in F1, in business and with woman. The guy lived in a Yacht in Montecarlo and had his helicopter. Top that
For those who don't know. On the hairpin Mansell decided to wave his hand to the fans. And because of that he never shifted down gears. He took the hairpin on 5th gear. As you can imagine RPM went down dramatically. And because of that the electric central box from his Williams "understood" the engine was above to blow and immediatelly shut down the engine. And that was it.
Me lembro de ter visto em uma entrevista que o carro parou por pane seca , ele vinha abusando fazendo sucessivas voltas rapidas no final e isto comprometeu a corrida dele. Senna tambem perdeu o podium pelo mesmo motivo na inglaterra, o carro ficou sem gasolina na ultima volta
@@2mmarcelorj Marcelo yo también escuché esa teoría, pero no es cierta. Existe otra teoría que es que Mansell apretó sin querer el botón del paro automático del motor, pero esto no fue así tampoco. El verdadero motivo fue que Mansell no disminuyó las marchas del carro para tomar el hairpin en primera o segunda marcha. Las RPM cayeron tan brúscamente que la central eléctrica del Williams "comprendió" que el motor estaba por quebrarse. En consecuencia la central eléctrica del Williams detuvo inmediatamente el motor antes que explotara (situación que por supuesto nunca hubiera ocurrido).
Ernesto, what you did explain is correct. Patrick Head confirmed it. after that, the central box was reprogrammed. But what a mistake from Nigel. Senna could do this because a manual gearbox does not "think", it is just manual.
it was purely hydraulical, not electrical. The revs dropped too low, the hydraulic pressure dropped, then he even tried to downshift, but the hydraulic system did not have enough power anymore, the engine died.
That explain why Mansell's helmet had 2 open gaps on the top, so he could let his long donkey ears out... just kidding... but funny...
"Piquet, What do you think about Mansell?"
"Well, he's a fast idiot. He could be 4 times world champion. 3 times he could win the Championship easily but failed"
Despite Nelson is word wide known for talking too much shit, in this case, i have to agree with him.
Nigel was impressively fast but he never used his brains. He didn't know the time to take easy with the car, never raced thinking in score points. Instead, he forced too much the cars, resulting in not finish crucials races when he most needed. Drivers like Prost and Piquet were the opposite. They knew how to handle the races. They never worried in win every race. They always drove to finish more races and score more points as they could. If you are in the last 15, 10 laps, you must drive as carefully as possible because you want score some points to be World Champion in the end of the Season, obviously. It's better a 3rd or 5th than leading 69 of 70 laps but not finish in the points. Nigel never did like this, Mansell committed mistakes for not being gentle whit his cars in so many races... But, anyway, he was an amazing and very, very fast driver. I miss the 80's and early 90's F1 times.
All that is why he is so loved though. You need a combination of calculated drivers and passionate drivers to make the sport compelling to watch.
He had 86 in the bag. That was an engineering issue, he would have known about it but had no choice but to stay out. He may not have been a Senna, Prost or Piquet as far as tactics were concerned. He did win 1 world Championship. That in my mind makes him a top level driver. It was an incredible period in GP history. Alan Jones I live in Australia) who I respect very much won 1 championship too, was always knocking Nigel.He is not a small guy, the Japanese’s accident would have hurt anybody. He was consistently racing close with Senna, the Monaco victory where he lost by less than a car length after a puncture I think was an amazing drive.
Piquet criticising another for not using their brains? Oh boy, that hasn’t aged well now 🤣
Big Piquet! 🇧🇷👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Or even Senna who could take a car with one gear and win. Mansell was good, but this race and Adelaide in 1986 show why he did not win as much as he should have.
Don’t be hard on Mansell. I think everyone of us has experienced this hard lesson in life at least once: It’s never over, until it’s over.
Reading the comments, no one picked up "The Curse of Murray Walker" reference. Nice to include it !!! Very funny that !!!
Whay does that mean?
@@nordimejia5790 look it up
I caught it. I just simply had the good manners not to mention it. 😉😆
@@patriciarossman8653 you just did
@@pressureworks mention what? See? 😉
Agonizing to watch, even 23 years later. 😫
2:24 notice Piquet waving to Mansell 🤣
Good spot!
No he didnt you pillock
Nope
why does this feel like yesterday to me? 🤷♂️
Great Nelson! 😷👍
Thats the typical Mansell thing... but thats why we love Mansell: the super talent super fast driver... but he is just your neighbour that you could go out to have a pint.
I remember watching this, oh how I cheered! Still at least Mansell was justified in blaming the car this time instead of his usual whinging.
Ed and I were sitting at the hairpin that year, and as we were both big Mansell fans, were stoked as to what was about to happen. But then....disaster! We didn't find out that day what the problem was, but I seem to remember that it was a glitch in the nascent electronic transmission selector system. Am I correct or not? There are a host of opinions shared below.
It must have been agonising to actually be trackside when it happened! One can imagine what the atmosphere was like!
@@DaveJamesOnair Yup...it was!
According to Adrian Newey, while Mansell was waving to the crowd, he forgot to change down as he approached the hairpin, and of course he let the engine's revs drop too low and it stalled.
Don't believe that for a second.
He forgot to downshift, which caused the engine to shut off. Same thing would happen today I believe if you tried to take a slow corner in a high gear.
Piquet monstro, pilotava muito. O Brasil viveu bem a decada de 80, só alegria.
"it's been a long time since the Italian company had a victory."
"one day, we gonna change that." someone at the Pirelli HQ, probably.
Quel giorno ho pianto come un bambino... Nigel Forever my Hero
This was heartbreaking.
That was so bloody funny at the time, and still is now, lol
Whatever floats your boat
@@stewartgrindlay9760 it is funny. Mansell was an idiot that lucked out into fast cars
grande Nelson 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🏆🏆🏆
When they got the car back it fired up no problem and selected all the gears.
I do know that this Williams had gremlins that were not obvious.
The crash at in Japan was caused by the active suspension. It lowered to far and caused Mansell to spin out.
You have listen to the engine with the onboard replay to detect it
The FW14 in 1991 did not have active suspension. Williams only had it one year later - on the 92 FW14b.
@@RicardoSilva-qp4bb it did have active suspension. The FW14 B was a modification on it
Patrick Head said on a podcast that Mansell let the revs drop too low. The alternator couldn't produce enough power to fire the engine AND the electrohydraulic gearbox, so the engine cut out when he tried change gears with revs to low. In typical Mansell fashion he let his victim complex takeover and blames the car! Don't get me wrong, Nigel is an absolute steel balled fearless beast. Yet he is a total boofhead at the same time.
Edit: Anti-stall wasn't a thing back then.
@@blackflagqwertyAnti-stall was made once they went to paddle shifting, right?
No man, the active suspension was TESTED in 91, but it wasnt used in any race of 91.
Ya, sure.
The Adelaide Tyre blow out was more dramatic and cost him the world Championship from memory.
Typical Mansell. Many problems, crashes, but a fast driver.
Adelaide was only one moment that could resume many races in his career.
Nah. He blew the championship at Rio earlier in the year with that stupid overtake on Ayrton that saw him spin himself off and out of the race.
@@blackflagqwerty Dude, Williams fucked up with Mansell so after that they called in Piquet to change tires.
O Bottas é o Mansel dos anos 2020!
funniest f1 moment I can think of
1:25 1:30
There goes the 1991 championship
and so Portugal, where the crew fucked him with wheel change, and in Brazil with electronic problems, and Imola with a hit from behind... that 91 he had lots of problems, this was his mistake, but the rest no.
That lost him the 1991 championship
really? forgetting Brazil where electronics fucked him, Imola where he was hit from behind, Portugal where pit crew didnt do his job and left a wheel lose... yes, THIS was the time, sure lol
wtf you all commenting y'all never driven F1 car in your life and talking "he didn't have a brain" or some shi* like that. Mansell is one of the best driver Ever and me or neither none of you couldn't even drive this suicide bolids.
Campari Anyone?
Nelson Piquet 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🏁🏁🏁🏆🏆🏆
brazil won 7 races in a row
So did we ever find out the cause of his stoppage ?
As he was waving to the crowd his forearm caught the ignition switch, what an absolute sponge.
@@oliverreno4734 this was never proven, but I believe it. Some mechanics also believe it was the fact he was driving so slowly, that he simply stalled.
He stalled the engine. You Can Read it Andrian newys book
@@oliverreno4734 Well, Nigel never was a clever guy. 🤣
Nigel itself said it was a technical failure and he didn't something wrong - and I believe him. He was a veteran player by this time and wouldn't make foolish things. When he did foolish things it was only because he was in a desperate position and had to go all in.
hahahahahahaha, Mansell all was a disappointment
Macho, essas Willians eram movidas pelo satanás. Kkkk
I only won when others broke
And to add insult to injury, his most bitter rival (the racist, homophobic, and now coup sponsor) Nelson Piquet won the race. His 23rd, and final victory.
You forget to say liberal, fascist, nazi, whateverphobic etc.
Piquet is never boring, just says whatever occurs to his mind. That and his will to win in F1, in business and with woman. The guy lived in a Yacht in Montecarlo and had his helicopter. Top that
I'm sure he's twice the man you'll ever be. Whoever you are
Senna o melhor piloto do mundo
Shoemaker
just shut up, Senna fans you are the worst, a video nothing related to Senna and have to moan the same. Your exhausting.
Grande Nelson!!!!!! Poi, Tutto il resto è noia!!!!!!