Full GHB was spoiled right before I was going to upload, so I changed a whole bunch of stuff last minute, forgive the mess. Also, Current Season Update: Bloodpelt Hunter briefly good as a "Get Victory Points Dude"
@@jeromeace1282 no. maybe 4th edition book if they try to do internal balance, but that's all buffs for the other stuff imo and not nerfs to FL. as always who knows
Firebelly is my favorite all-time model. The perfect mix of Maori Islander, Hawaiian fire dancer and Pyromancer. The sculpt is perfect and the fluff is amazing.
It's a bummer he's so janky. Same with Icebrow Hunter; that guy should really be a suicide shock trooper with a horde of cats that jumps into people's faces the turn before the cavalry actually shows up. Flinging two half-assed inaccurate shots then falling over sucks.
One change for Thundertusk I personally think would be good for it is to have its frost breath give an enemy a movement penelty. Like -2". And give Huskard on Stonehorn a 25 point cut. Beastriders also should have both Harpoon Launcher with Blood Vulture by default to make up for their smaller save, everyone takes BV on those mounts anyways and Harpoon is just an added option for some potential dmg spikes, it is two Ogors on a mount after all issuing commands would be a very nice cherry on top. Mornfang should be counted by default as a unit of 4 instead of 2 so they actually can get all their benefits on their warscroll maybe have their points go up by 25 bringing them from 175 to 200 just to prevent spamming. Finally everything Gluttons and Ironguts could honestly go down by 10-15 points.
I would love to see any brand new models. For example, the slaughter master is a copy and paste skragg the slaughterer from the ogre kingdoms, which feels very unimaginative. Another example outside the mawtribes is that the chief warlock engineer for the skaven is basically a copy and paste ikit claw.
i think bloodgullet could work with a gutbusters focus and also a frostlord +1 to the attacks of non-monster (fun fact, hits mournfang tusks too RAW) is nuts, giving an enemy -1 to hit is great and molten entrails makes a charging frostlord somehow scarier because his mount attacks are now at +2 damage probably not the best list, but this feels like the best way to get all the juice outta the gutmagic to me. also gambling magic
I really like seeing/hearing people talk about things they really enjoy/are passionate about, and that's clearly the case here. Like, he stopped the video when he got to the Frostlord on Stonehorn warscroll just to talk about the lore because he thinks it's so cool. I love it.
I mean, technically speaking, Leadbelcher cannons are more like blunderbusses; they don't load cannonballs, they load whatever crap they find lying around with a hefty pile of gunpowder to make it work, so D3 shots and 1 dmg actually checks out imo
Fantastic job as always Mr Woah, we're still checking with the experts, but this could be potentially the biggest faction focus yet. Heres hoping for a new wave of models to push for a LRL/DOK situation and get a new, better book.
For those interested in building the Gutbusters side of the army, and need to fill out models, I point to Wargames Atlantic (as I, the eternal Wargames Atlantic simp, am want to do). They recently came out with a plastic kit of Landsknecht Ogres. The kit gives 9 ogre bodies for $35. A bit lower than I thought it would be, but it's still better than GW's 6 Gluttons for $55. Moreover, those sprues are full of weapon, equipment, and head options. Hand weapons, great weapons, hand cannons. Even pistols, for those looking to make Maneaters. So most of the foot infantry range is covered by this one kit. (It's also a double kit, with an entire separate set of parts for Sci Fi, so 40K players can use them as cheap Ogryn. Not Bullgryn, though, they don't have big shields.) If you don't mind them looking like German mercenaries, the kit is a very solid and economical option. Especially if you take the multi-box deals, for an increasing discount. If you want to build a full army or just fill out your battleline, you can do a lot worse. EDIT: It would probably help players looking to make Landsknecht Ogre armies to have similarly themed Ogre _characters,_ and not just by kitbashing a normal ogre model. For this, I'd recommend Warmonger Miniatures. Under their "Orcs" (not "War Orcs", that's different) heading, they have "Ogres/Great Orc Characters" as a category. It contains a load of Ogre-scale metal models in Landsnecht style, that look pretty unique. Pick a model that appeals to you to act as your Hero models, or as flavorful Sergeants for your normal units. Metal models are more expensive per model than plastic, but you probably don't need that many of them.
Im considering doing this. Ive been a heywoah enjoyer for quite some time, and his ogor propaganda is working. Cities happens to keep a few ogors around. Why wouldnt they have enough around to form a regiment. Yea... its an expansion to my cities army. Not an entirely different one. Why would you ever think that?
Love these videos, they are actually making me possibly move from 40K into AoS. Know you've done a lot of chaos focus but a Khorne video would be amazing since they seem to have a pretty interesting playstyle.
Fascinated with the ogor army, I want to get a list together for gutbusters, but I'm holding out for a full model range update, it's just too hard to find most of them in plastic
you won't see anything updated. This most recent book was their time to do that and they chose not to do so. Its a ton of fun to play Ogor's even with the butt ugly finecast.
@@HeyWoah Fair enough. A partial success, however accidental, is worth celebrating, especially one that is replacing a more holistic failure. Still, I had been pretty impressed with the early battletomes of 3rd edition - or at least soulblight and nighthaunt, since my focus is mostly on the undead. It really seemed like the rules writers for those books were taking a careful and considered look at each and every unit in those factions, with an open willingness to completely re-write warscrolls from the ground up where the previous rules failed to bring that unit to (un)life on the tabletop. Very little in either book was blindly copied forward without thought. At the time I had been hoping that this sort of energy would be carried forward to 3rd edition battletomes in general, and my lack of attention for non-undead factions had allowed me to believe that was the case until this video pulled me back to reality.
Just finished up my slaughtermaster kitbash. Corpsecart + Skaven bell (as the pot) + Cursed City Ogor hero! Cut the mace hand off, drill a hole in the hand so corpse-eater can hold some jewelry chains and he honestly looks perfect(I admit I am biased)!
having slammed out nearly two dozen hours into ogre kingdoms in TWW3 i wanna know when i can cast fist again. also if i dont get an overtyrant soon i WILL get a Guo to kitbash into one. Edit: as the proud owner of the hungriest meatfists, whomst ate to death both Gotrek Gurnisson AND Yndrasta, back to back in the same game, i can say that gulping bits 10/10 rule. believe me or no, it did happen Edit 2: “Krayons brawlerguts meatfist, if your trying to meme.” *whistles*
Great timing considering I just got two start collecting beast claw raider boxes. Edit: too bad about Mournfang and the rest of beastclaw (besides frostlord on SH). Still have no regrets lol.
This vidéo (and HeyWoah channel in general) really got me into playing ogors, my recent Highlight with them was to wipe a unit of 10 Nighthaunt Bladegheist with a single cast of my Butcher Voracious Maw, the number of Sixes i rolles for and 4+ AND the D3 MW was absolutely disgusting (doing like 10 or 11+mw). I was on a high, my oponent was mad, It really felt like winning the Jackpot in a casino. Still lost the game tho.
"Because only one thing counts in this life! Get them on the line which is 3' A-B-C. A-Always. B-Be. C-Charging. Always. Be. Charging. Always be charging!"
Regarding the non character ogors on Thunder tusk and stone horn being unable to give themselves commands I agree its dumb but I think the fix over all is to just cut back on the amount of units in the game that can act totally independently. Make it a real weakness for some armies and a real strength for others. Stormcast are all elite warriors so they should be able to command themselves across the board on the other end of the spectrum, Skaven are all cowards, most undead are totally mindless and gitz are insane so it should be harder for them to follow orders.
When they add new stuff one day I mean like like 4-6 models. If I can dream it would be new gnoblars I know I'm the odd man out for that, new monsters, and something with fire for sure and even ice. I love they put the ogres together again. But I loved ogres for a long time from the forgotten times about around the 7th edition for sure.
Hey dude, found your channel and love these deep dives. Started with Skaven, using Christmas money to get an Ogor Vanguard cause I want a more elite army also. I don't wanna work with resin, know any good proxies for firebellies or slaughtermasters? I'm gonna use a Blood bowl ogre and glue a cleaver to his hand as a butcher.
Ttcombat have some good Ogor proxies. Best to check places like Etsy for a slaughter master - or get creative and hack together a pot with your Ogor model of choice?
@@cassetticons4651 I was thinking a tyrant, get a cauldron 3D printed, saw off his spear and make a spoon tip out of greenstuff, cut his hand off and make a rounded end where I can stick a weapon into, and then give the tyrant an Ogor head with a 3D printed chefhat.
Slaughter masters' Rockchomper spell should have instead been Gluttons can use gulping bite twice instead of d6. Bloodgullet would be so much fun with that.
Great review, seems gw aren’t interested in giving Ogremawtribes the attention they deserve 😢. A, B, C always be charging. I played a little underbelly’s in 2nd. For cannons id rather have a one shot heavy dmg hitter. Lets gamble on some broadside shots!
You use mourn fang cuz you wanna larp. I use mournfang cuz they came with the start collecting box and can't be bothered to spend money on gluttons. We are not the same
@@HeyWoah it is part joke, part *very* generous reading of the lore tidbit that Beast Claw Raiders share food they have hunted (their main economic activity) communally. I am sure there are people who really think of them as "communists" but mostly it is because that image is so incongruous that it is funny
@@baphometsvomitcomet2350 It's mostly a bit, yes. The idea is that, unlike Gutbusters whose leadership is entirely "Might Makes Right", the Beastclaw Raiders "earn" fealty of other ogres by providing them with the biggest pile of food at the end of a hunting competition. In effect, a form of egalitarian democracy where the candidate who best provides for the needs of their constituents gets power. It's just that ogres are single issue voters. That issue being "HONGRY".
I’m mulling over two lists for Adepticon: Meatfist and Underguts, so I have a question for both. A) For a Meatfist list, what’s a good ratio of Gluttons to Ironguts? Is it better to run fewer packs of reinforced Ironguts or go Glutton spam with maybe one big group of Ironguts supporting them? And 2) I know that Ironblaster spam is so hot right now, but is it worth trying to fit Mack daddy Frostlord on Stonehorn into the list at the expense of an ironblaster? If not, should I just run double butchers for my HQs and call it good? Would love to know your thoughts. Hope to see you at Adepticon!
A) 1x8 Ironguts the rest Gluttons imo. Get your money's worth on that squad for sure and don't throw it away killing 1 thing only to get counter-charged next turn. Big Risk Big Reward. 2) FLoSH +IBs was the go-to before ghb23 points spoilers. People still discussing, but I think he's more important than the 4th IB. I'll be at Adepticon with some garbage stonehorn spam meme list.
The frustrating part about the T-tusk, is that it is so easy to fix. If the sneeze had a normal hit on a 4+ instead, 3+ against 10 or more models and 2+ against 20 or more models, it would actually be quite decent. If it is still too weak, just give it more range. Having 7 T-tusks sneezing 12 dices each from 30" away with hit chance of 50% or more, would probably be way over the top, but it shows how just small details adjustment is needed to take it from furry to fury. The T-tusk Huskard took a hard blow for me. It used to dish out the prayer Curse on a 2+. Now it's on 4+. Curse is one of my favourite tools. Even Gnoblars are scary against cursed targets. Having nearby T-tusks boosting chanting was a bless, sadly gone now. I don't think T-tusks should be good at melee. We have everything else for that. Buffing and shooting is enough. But their unique monster ability should be when not charging, like the Alvagr Ancient mount trait they scrapped, and maybe on a 2+. I like Yhetees. You can have 39 models of them (13 units if you don't reinforce), invisible all the way up to charging distance. Probably not going to be a meta list, but hey.. why so serious? ;) Icebrow Hunter can be priest when general. Use Heal or Pulverising Hailstorm, Arcane Tome, an endless spell and stay outside of 12" for invisibility. Cheap annoyance. Frost Sabres... are just pure waste of points. The only scenario you bring them, is if you use Icebrow Hunter to spend only 240 points on battleline. I can't think of a situation where this pays off, though. :D
Most of the Gutbusters stuff was once again a letdown. Everything is way overcosted and there's no interested army building opportunities because the traits and artifacts are mostly bad. I hate that the Tyrant is still a joke in combat. I hate that Slaughtermasters still can't pick their buff. I hate that Leadbealchers are still toothpick launchers.
There are some prominent SoB players in my discord that would have more exact advice than a yt comment could give. The spoiler for next season temporary rules seem horrifying for an SoB player, but luckily those are only for 6mo
I know this is an old video but id be really interested in knowing what you'd do to fix thundertusks. I think theyre in my top five aos models and definitely my favorite model in ogorawtribes. Would it be as simple as giving them better, reliable melee damage and changing their ranged attack to be more akin to dragon breath attacks so they can actually do mortal wounds to elite units? Id be really interested to know what you think
I'm a new player and haven't painted much for warhammer, would these guys be an army that a beginner could pick up? I do love their look and playstyle. Ogres are cool
Ogors will be slightly more difficult to paint considering there is a lot of skin, but they're supposed to be ruddy and dirty so mistakes blend well. It's a fine starter army game-wise, with a simple initial plan, but a surprising skill ceiling (which you want, as you'll grow into it and don't want to get bored if the army is too easy).
What would be a good way to start them? I'm thinking 500 points would be a good start, and then what should I look for after that? Sorry for all the questions but I really do appreciate the help
Looking at these guys I think Ogors biggest issue balance wise is that things have to be costed around the factions impact hit mechanics. They kinda have to be mediocre in combat because they have an insane ceiling for damage every time they make a charge.
Great work! Question on the vulture shooting attack, if I am in combat does the vulture have to go into the unit I am stuck in combat with or can I send him off to give a MW to anyone on the table?
What a great insight, thank you a lot. As an almost-beginner in this expensive hobby I want to ally both fun and good. When I read the battletome I was mostly happy about the changes but with some warscrolls I watched them and I said : Why GW did that ? Why a Tyrant, litterally the most powerful ogor of the tribe has so few attacks ? Why the Bloodpelt hunter hits on 4+ with already very few attacks... Why the thundertusks profile is SO bad while having such a cool model? Why Mournfangs aren't better considering their cost and the same units we can find in other battletomes? I still enjoy this army and I will play it because ogors are such a cool theme. Thanks to your review I will maybe avoid some useless frustration against OP lists. Thank you and have a wonderful year 2023 HeWoah !
You. You Hey Woah. Answer this. Should I abandon 40K for AoS? AoS seems really cool and I don’t have an army. I know a ton of 40K lore and AoS keeps whispering to lure me. Do you think it’s worth looking much into to abandon 40K?
So I don't play 40k and don't know much about it beyond the setting, which is way better than AoS'. But Game-wise and community-wise I'm very happy with my choice, and the more I observe the more confident I am. However, the way local scenes and friend groups work, you should probably choose the game people around you play, logistically. Although getting into the game at the same time as friends is the ideal way to go.
Dang, well, after an extended hiatus of NIT playing Warhammer Fantasy (yeah, AOS used to just be called “warhammer” or “Warhammer Fantasy”, I’ve decided to get back into the game. I initially chose Ogor Mawtribes but after watching your video (v, v controversial…) I have decided to look elsewhere for an army that GW cares more about than Ogors. Thanks for the detailed review!
For Old World players I guess, but I have less than no interest in a rank and flank game. I thought WHFB was awful to be honest. Just not for me, but I really hope it's good for all the people who want it.
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Full GHB was spoiled right before I was going to upload, so I changed a whole bunch of stuff last minute, forgive the mess.
Also, Current Season Update: Bloodpelt Hunter briefly good as a "Get Victory Points Dude"
That must have been a shocker o:
I am currently deeply struggling with a 600pts Path to Glory Ogor army. And the ironblaster nerf made me cry.
Forgiven.
Out of curiosity, do you think the designers would nerf frostlord on stonehorn?
@@jeromeace1282 no. maybe 4th edition book if they try to do internal balance, but that's all buffs for the other stuff imo and not nerfs to FL. as always who knows
Just when the world needed him most, he finished his plate at the all-you-can-eat Great Maw Buffet🍖🍖🍖 The king lives
Firebelly is my favorite all-time model. The perfect mix of Maori Islander, Hawaiian fire dancer and Pyromancer. The sculpt is perfect and the fluff is amazing.
It's a bummer he's so janky.
Same with Icebrow Hunter; that guy should really be a suicide shock trooper with a horde of cats that jumps into people's faces the turn before the cavalry actually shows up.
Flinging two half-assed inaccurate shots then falling over sucks.
@@OrigamiShinigami I make the Firebelly work! The spells are decent enough that he's not over-costed
Ive Been thinking about making a tropical island themed ogor army so The firebelly would Be perfect
Would really appreciate a “Changes I’d like to see” type video where you try improving the Ogor’s based on your experience
One change for Thundertusk I personally think would be good for it is to have its frost breath give an enemy a movement penelty. Like -2". And give Huskard on Stonehorn a 25 point cut. Beastriders also should have both Harpoon Launcher with Blood Vulture by default to make up for their smaller save, everyone takes BV on those mounts anyways and Harpoon is just an added option for some potential dmg spikes, it is two Ogors on a mount after all issuing commands would be a very nice cherry on top. Mornfang should be counted by default as a unit of 4 instead of 2 so they actually can get all their benefits on their warscroll maybe have their points go up by 25 bringing them from 175 to 200 just to prevent spamming. Finally everything Gluttons and Ironguts could honestly go down by 10-15 points.
I read this as “charges I’d like to see” which would also be a sweet topic tbh.
I would love to see any brand new models. For example, the slaughter master is a copy and paste skragg the slaughterer from the ogre kingdoms, which feels very unimaginative. Another example outside the mawtribes is that the chief warlock engineer for the skaven is basically a copy and paste ikit claw.
One thing about the slaughter master is his base size. You can get those spells farther out while still standing next to the maw pot.
"My average lifetime is two mortal wounds with no repeat"
Well this officially validates my choice to play a Bloodgullet Gutbusters army.
i think bloodgullet could work with a gutbusters focus and also a frostlord
+1 to the attacks of non-monster (fun fact, hits mournfang tusks too RAW) is nuts, giving an enemy -1 to hit is great and molten entrails makes a charging frostlord somehow scarier because his mount attacks are now at +2 damage
probably not the best list, but this feels like the best way to get all the juice outta the gutmagic to me. also gambling magic
I really like seeing/hearing people talk about things they really enjoy/are passionate about, and that's clearly the case here. Like, he stopped the video when he got to the Frostlord on Stonehorn warscroll just to talk about the lore because he thinks it's so cool. I love it.
I mean, technically speaking, Leadbelcher cannons are more like blunderbusses; they don't load cannonballs, they load whatever crap they find lying around with a hefty pile of gunpowder to make it work, so D3 shots and 1 dmg actually checks out imo
Fantastic job as always Mr Woah, we're still checking with the experts, but this could be potentially the biggest faction focus yet. Heres hoping for a new wave of models to push for a LRL/DOK situation and get a new, better book.
For those interested in building the Gutbusters side of the army, and need to fill out models, I point to Wargames Atlantic (as I, the eternal Wargames Atlantic simp, am want to do). They recently came out with a plastic kit of Landsknecht Ogres. The kit gives 9 ogre bodies for $35. A bit lower than I thought it would be, but it's still better than GW's 6 Gluttons for $55.
Moreover, those sprues are full of weapon, equipment, and head options. Hand weapons, great weapons, hand cannons. Even pistols, for those looking to make Maneaters. So most of the foot infantry range is covered by this one kit. (It's also a double kit, with an entire separate set of parts for Sci Fi, so 40K players can use them as cheap Ogryn. Not Bullgryn, though, they don't have big shields.)
If you don't mind them looking like German mercenaries, the kit is a very solid and economical option. Especially if you take the multi-box deals, for an increasing discount. If you want to build a full army or just fill out your battleline, you can do a lot worse.
EDIT: It would probably help players looking to make Landsknecht Ogre armies to have similarly themed Ogre _characters,_ and not just by kitbashing a normal ogre model. For this, I'd recommend Warmonger Miniatures. Under their "Orcs" (not "War Orcs", that's different) heading, they have "Ogres/Great Orc Characters" as a category. It contains a load of Ogre-scale metal models in Landsnecht style, that look pretty unique. Pick a model that appeals to you to act as your Hero models, or as flavorful Sergeants for your normal units. Metal models are more expensive per model than plastic, but you probably don't need that many of them.
Im considering doing this. Ive been a heywoah enjoyer for quite some time, and his ogor propaganda is working. Cities happens to keep a few ogors around. Why wouldnt they have enough around to form a regiment. Yea... its an expansion to my cities army. Not an entirely different one. Why would you ever think that?
If you need a 3" charge, then Belligerent Charge does an average of 0.417 extra mortal wounds. 🙃
Love these videos, they are actually making me possibly move from 40K into AoS. Know you've done a lot of chaos focus but a Khorne video would be amazing since they seem to have a pretty interesting playstyle.
I love these types of videos. Wish you did more of them.
Ogors present an unrealistic dadbody ideal that is impossible for most dads to achive
Fascinated with the ogor army, I want to get a list together for gutbusters, but I'm holding out for a full model range update, it's just too hard to find most of them in plastic
It pains me when good armies are locked behind a desperate need for a range update, like seraphon or old legions of nagash
you won't see anything updated. This most recent book was their time to do that and they chose not to do so. Its a ton of fun to play Ogor's even with the butt ugly finecast.
*cough* Saken *cough* currently using metal models from 1993...
A genuine pleasure to watch, as always. Thanks for putting so much effort in king
What I'm hearing here is that rarely has a gw faction book more clearly been written by devs who have never played that faction even once.
And still did a pretty good job with a third of it!
i can only pray the 3e updates to FEC & OBR are more considered... though hopes are slim.
@@HeyWoah Fair enough. A partial success, however accidental, is worth celebrating, especially one that is replacing a more holistic failure. Still, I had been pretty impressed with the early battletomes of 3rd edition - or at least soulblight and nighthaunt, since my focus is mostly on the undead. It really seemed like the rules writers for those books were taking a careful and considered look at each and every unit in those factions, with an open willingness to completely re-write warscrolls from the ground up where the previous rules failed to bring that unit to (un)life on the tabletop. Very little in either book was blindly copied forward without thought. At the time I had been hoping that this sort of energy would be carried forward to 3rd edition battletomes in general, and my lack of attention for non-undead factions had allowed me to believe that was the case until this video pulled me back to reality.
Just finished up my slaughtermaster kitbash. Corpsecart + Skaven bell (as the pot) + Cursed City Ogor hero!
Cut the mace hand off, drill a hole in the hand so corpse-eater can hold some jewelry chains and he honestly looks perfect(I admit I am biased)!
You just gave me an amazing idea! Did you use a Rhinox the pull the cart?
@@YourTrustyHonkey9716 no, I just have the corpse water guy pulling it. He’s perfectly positioned for it.
It is unfortunate that the Ogre Mawtribes battletome is not as good as this video!!
Listened to it at work twice, and now I'm gonna watch it at home. Great video.
This makes me want to start Ogors
having slammed out nearly two dozen hours into ogre kingdoms in TWW3 i wanna know when i can cast fist again. also if i dont get an overtyrant soon i WILL get a Guo to kitbash into one.
Edit: as the proud owner of the hungriest meatfists, whomst ate to death both Gotrek Gurnisson AND Yndrasta, back to back in the same game, i can say that gulping bits 10/10 rule. believe me or no, it did happen
Edit 2: “Krayons brawlerguts meatfist, if your trying to meme.” *whistles*
Great timing considering I just got two start collecting beast claw raider boxes. Edit: too bad about Mournfang and the rest of beastclaw (besides frostlord on SH). Still have no regrets lol.
Return of the king!
This vidéo (and HeyWoah channel in general) really got me into playing ogors, my recent Highlight with them was to wipe a unit of 10 Nighthaunt Bladegheist with a single cast of my Butcher Voracious Maw, the number of Sixes i rolles for and 4+ AND the D3 MW was absolutely disgusting (doing like 10 or 11+mw).
I was on a high, my oponent was mad, It really felt like winning the Jackpot in a casino.
Still lost the game tho.
Watched it twice. Masterpiece.
"Because only one thing counts in this life! Get them on the line which is 3' A-B-C. A-Always. B-Be. C-Charging. Always. Be. Charging. Always be charging!"
I'm stopping in before I watch the video to hope for more comparisons between Ogors and Goldlewis Dickenson.
I thought it was Golddick Lewisson because that name would make more sense
25:12 Please post a photo when you finish it. As a fellow midwesterner, that idea sounds fantastic.
Babe wake up, new Heywoah video just dropped.
Regarding the non character ogors on Thunder tusk and stone horn being unable to give themselves commands I agree its dumb but I think the fix over all is to just cut back on the amount of units in the game that can act totally independently. Make it a real weakness for some armies and a real strength for others. Stormcast are all elite warriors so they should be able to command themselves across the board on the other end of the spectrum, Skaven are all cowards, most undead are totally mindless and gitz are insane so it should be harder for them to follow orders.
Waited for this so long
BIG
I can't wait for an OBR faction focus when it gets updated.
Fingers crossed it'll be a good tome
My first ( and so far only) game of AOS with my free city boys got wrecked by these hungry fat boys. I will have my revenge
I really enjoy your videos and never played AoS and prob never will.
I have 2500 points of KO, but now I want to start collecting Beastclaw Raiders
I'm not really into ogres, nore am in really into AoS but for some reason I just watched this entire video....good shit 😎
Absolutely HUGE content!
When they add new stuff one day I mean like like 4-6 models. If I can dream it would be new gnoblars I know I'm the odd man out for that, new monsters, and something with fire for sure and even ice. I love they put the ogres together again. But I loved ogres for a long time from the forgotten times about around the 7th edition for sure.
Hey dude, found your channel and love these deep dives. Started with Skaven, using Christmas money to get an Ogor Vanguard cause I want a more elite army also. I don't wanna work with resin, know any good proxies for firebellies or slaughtermasters? I'm gonna use a Blood bowl ogre and glue a cleaver to his hand as a butcher.
Ttcombat have some good Ogor proxies. Best to check places like Etsy for a slaughter master - or get creative and hack together a pot with your Ogor model of choice?
@@cassetticons4651 I was thinking a tyrant, get a cauldron 3D printed, saw off his spear and make a spoon tip out of greenstuff, cut his hand off and make a rounded end where I can stick a weapon into, and then give the tyrant an Ogor head with a 3D printed chefhat.
Great video as usual. Would love one of these for Seraphon, Cold One Riders always seem to punch way above their weight when I play.
You always make me want to play mawtribes, though models don’t really excite me. Goid job
Irongut, gluttons and Gnoblars need a point drop.... I was really hoping season 2 would do that.
Slaughter masters' Rockchomper spell should have instead been Gluttons can use gulping bite twice instead of d6. Bloodgullet would be so much fun with that.
Cool video! Yeah kinda weird so little units got priced right, thought the army is so elite, some pointdrops could really make a difference
This. Is. BIG.
A LARGE video. Incredibly based
Our lord and saviour! OVERTYRANT HEYWOAH!
All the destruction factions are fun. They get me pumped up to play. I love the maw tribes and their philosophy on might makes right.
I enjoyed this audio and video
Man, you’ve got to get a shirt with the Frostlord silhouette from the intro
Great review, seems gw aren’t interested in giving Ogremawtribes the attention they deserve 😢.
A, B, C always be charging. I played a little underbelly’s in 2nd. For cannons id rather have a one shot heavy dmg hitter. Lets gamble on some broadside shots!
You use mourn fang cuz you wanna larp.
I use mournfang cuz they came with the start collecting box and can't be bothered to spend money on gluttons.
We are not the same
That's like actually the reason I play them as well haha
omfg. 1 hour! lovely!
"Every beastclaw player in the world" meaning all 15 globally were disappointed
:( but also true
"Unless you're part of that one subreddit that thinks ogors are communists for some reason"
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I don't go on reddit but someone told me about it.
I can only hope the place is ironic memeing
@@HeyWoah it is part joke, part *very* generous reading of the lore tidbit that Beast Claw Raiders share food they have hunted (their main economic activity) communally. I am sure there are people who really think of them as "communists" but mostly it is because that image is so incongruous that it is funny
@@baphometsvomitcomet2350 It's mostly a bit, yes. The idea is that, unlike Gutbusters whose leadership is entirely "Might Makes Right", the Beastclaw Raiders "earn" fealty of other ogres by providing them with the biggest pile of food at the end of a hunting competition. In effect, a form of egalitarian democracy where the candidate who best provides for the needs of their constituents gets power. It's just that ogres are single issue voters. That issue being "HONGRY".
I’m mulling over two lists for Adepticon: Meatfist and Underguts, so I have a question for both.
A) For a Meatfist list, what’s a good ratio of Gluttons to Ironguts? Is it better to run fewer packs of reinforced Ironguts or go Glutton spam with maybe one big group of Ironguts supporting them?
And 2) I know that Ironblaster spam is so hot right now, but is it worth trying to fit Mack daddy Frostlord on Stonehorn into the list at the expense of an ironblaster? If not, should I just run double butchers for my HQs and call it good?
Would love to know your thoughts. Hope to see you at Adepticon!
A) 1x8 Ironguts the rest Gluttons imo. Get your money's worth on that squad for sure and don't throw it away killing 1 thing only to get counter-charged next turn. Big Risk Big Reward.
2) FLoSH +IBs was the go-to before ghb23 points spoilers. People still discussing, but I think he's more important than the 4th IB.
I'll be at Adepticon with some garbage stonehorn spam meme list.
@@HeyWoah Thanks for the quick reply! I'll be sure to throw you a sub next time I can catch your stream.
New HeyWoah vid?! Letttts gooooooo!
The frustrating part about the T-tusk, is that it is so easy to fix. If the sneeze had a normal hit on a 4+ instead, 3+ against 10 or more models and 2+ against 20 or more models, it would actually be quite decent. If it is still too weak, just give it more range. Having 7 T-tusks sneezing 12 dices each from 30" away with hit chance of 50% or more, would probably be way over the top, but it shows how just small details adjustment is needed to take it from furry to fury.
The T-tusk Huskard took a hard blow for me. It used to dish out the prayer Curse on a 2+. Now it's on 4+. Curse is one of my favourite tools. Even Gnoblars are scary against cursed targets. Having nearby T-tusks boosting chanting was a bless, sadly gone now.
I don't think T-tusks should be good at melee. We have everything else for that. Buffing and shooting is enough. But their unique monster ability should be when not charging, like the Alvagr Ancient mount trait they scrapped, and maybe on a 2+.
I like Yhetees. You can have 39 models of them (13 units if you don't reinforce), invisible all the way up to charging distance. Probably not going to be a meta list, but hey.. why so serious? ;)
Icebrow Hunter can be priest when general. Use Heal or Pulverising Hailstorm, Arcane Tome, an endless spell and stay outside of 12" for invisibility. Cheap annoyance.
Frost Sabres... are just pure waste of points. The only scenario you bring them, is if you use Icebrow Hunter to spend only 240 points on battleline. I can't think of a situation where this pays off, though. :D
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Another banger! Great video, thanks
Promise you’ll revisit the Gitz once the new book comes out 🙏🏻
Most of the Gutbusters stuff was once again a letdown. Everything is way overcosted and there's no interested army building opportunities because the traits and artifacts are mostly bad. I hate that the Tyrant is still a joke in combat. I hate that Slaughtermasters still can't pick their buff. I hate that Leadbealchers are still toothpick launchers.
I get sick when comparing the Mournfang with piggies from Warclans :S
I'm curious if you want a named frost lord with a unique new model. Have you ever said if you like named characters?
Yeah more HeyWoah time!
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Do you have tips for a new sob player
There are some prominent SoB players in my discord that would have more exact advice than a yt comment could give. The spoiler for next season temporary rules seem horrifying for an SoB player, but luckily those are only for 6mo
This deep dive is both deep and BIG
Yasssss love these videos
I know this is an old video but id be really interested in knowing what you'd do to fix thundertusks.
I think theyre in my top five aos models and definitely my favorite model in ogorawtribes.
Would it be as simple as giving them better, reliable melee damage and changing their ranged attack to be more akin to dragon breath attacks so they can actually do mortal wounds to elite units?
Id be really interested to know what you think
I've been thinking about doing a feedback video for the next battletome for ogors, might talk about it there
@@HeyWoah but that could be ages and I want it nooooooow
I'm a new player and haven't painted much for warhammer, would these guys be an army that a beginner could pick up? I do love their look and playstyle. Ogres are cool
Ogors will be slightly more difficult to paint considering there is a lot of skin, but they're supposed to be ruddy and dirty so mistakes blend well. It's a fine starter army game-wise, with a simple initial plan, but a surprising skill ceiling (which you want, as you'll grow into it and don't want to get bored if the army is too easy).
What would be a good way to start them? I'm thinking 500 points would be a good start, and then what should I look for after that? Sorry for all the questions but I really do appreciate the help
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Looking at these guys I think Ogors biggest issue balance wise is that things have to be costed around the factions impact hit mechanics. They kinda have to be mediocre in combat because they have an insane ceiling for damage every time they make a charge.
Cool man. I've never played AOS. I was juts thinking of getting the Warcry Orges for fun lol . Are they crap then for AOS?
Great work! Question on the vulture shooting attack, if I am in combat does the vulture have to go into the unit I am stuck in combat with or can I send him off to give a MW to anyone on the table?
It is not a shooting attack because it doesn't have a ranged weapon profile. It is just an ability, and as such it follows no shooting rules.
I just wish the models were slightly better overall
true, I've had to convert all mine, though that's fun in its own right
I played Ogres against my friends and now they hate me. I like the Frostlord on Stonehorn the most.
What a great insight, thank you a lot. As an almost-beginner in this expensive hobby I want to ally both fun and good. When I read the battletome I was mostly happy about the changes but with some warscrolls I watched them and I said : Why GW did that ? Why a Tyrant, litterally the most powerful ogor of the tribe has so few attacks ? Why the Bloodpelt hunter hits on 4+ with already very few attacks... Why the thundertusks profile is SO bad while having such a cool model? Why Mournfangs aren't better considering their cost and the same units we can find in other battletomes? I still enjoy this army and I will play it because ogors are such a cool theme. Thanks to your review I will maybe avoid some useless frustration against OP lists. Thank you and have a wonderful year 2023 HeWoah !
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Can you do the full model review for all faction focus
You. You Hey Woah. Answer this. Should I abandon 40K for AoS? AoS seems really cool and I don’t have an army. I know a ton of 40K lore and AoS keeps whispering to lure me. Do you think it’s worth looking much into to abandon 40K?
So I don't play 40k and don't know much about it beyond the setting, which is way better than AoS'. But Game-wise and community-wise I'm very happy with my choice, and the more I observe the more confident I am.
However, the way local scenes and friend groups work, you should probably choose the game people around you play, logistically. Although getting into the game at the same time as friends is the ideal way to go.
Skaven next!
The dig at Sigmarxism was delicious. Good breakdown in general!
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The king of meat ! cant wait for the new STD vid !
Well, seems like all I got is trash, thanks HeyWoah to make me sell all my ogor army and save me some money!
Not at all! They did a great job with half of it or so
When will the Ogors get named characters?
Who’s the buff lady?
I googled "muscle chick" and her name is apparently natasha, then photoshopped utada hikaru's head onto her.
Haha Ogordon Ramsey.
cool
Dang, well, after an extended hiatus of NIT playing Warhammer Fantasy (yeah, AOS used to just be called “warhammer” or “Warhammer Fantasy”, I’ve decided to get back into the game. I initially chose Ogor Mawtribes but after watching your video (v, v controversial…) I have decided to look elsewhere for an army that GW cares more about than Ogors. Thanks for the detailed review!
Kinda sold me on ogors as an army. Not going to lie.
Hopefully they’ll be better in the old world
For Old World players I guess, but I have less than no interest in a rank and flank game. I thought WHFB was awful to be honest.
Just not for me, but I really hope it's good for all the people who want it.
Belligerent Charger is LITERALLY a brick printed in a book. It does actually nothing. That is so insulting, I'm so sorry.
you got a faction focus for the fire dwarves with the stupid name?
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