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- Hostile Design or Hostile Architecture is more common in San Francisco than anywhere else. And because of San Francisco's large homeless population, and wealth disparity it's extremely controversial. But is there more to the story than the viral clips you've seen online?
One thing I'm certainly not is a journalist. So Let me know in the comments if I got anything wrong, and be nice!
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No one talk about preventing homelessness. Preventing homelessness cost less than that incurred to react to the problem. The estimated 7,500 homeless in SF negatively impact the $7.7 billion tourist industry. Crime, dirty streets, safety, who wants to lose their heart in San Francisco? What is it going to do to property values and the enjoyment of residence? Good governments are proactive, not reactive.
Well said!
Western governments are reactive. Once the problem is on top of everyone then they'll spring into action. But only if nobody in both houses disagree.n
There's an underlying mental health/ drug use problem the city doesn't have the resources to tackle.
@@MS-ut8fd Precisely, they don't have the resources because they weren't proactive to deal with these human issues.
lots of homeless are from elsewhere, SF gave lots of incentives to bring them in, so they came and now they can't get them out
In some other countries they force people doing drugs in streets to either go to a medical facility and get clean or they go to jail. It seems harsh but it works better than what we’re doing. They also offer better services though to help people get clean and get the resources they need to get back on their feet.
Ah yes jail, well known for "helping people get back on their feet"
Hostile architecture gets peole back on their feet by giving them no place to sit or lie down.
in the US, they cant do that rather unfortunately
This sounds good but what abt the ppl who are just completely broken from trauma and those who don't do drugs? Ppl are having to lie and say they are alcoholics and drug addicts just to get into rehab housing. Then ppl under 18 or even ppl who seem young can't get into these facilities because of the danger or the fact ppl under 18 have no rights.
If some do not want to work nor get help...😢 It's their choice! Let they go and stay in facilities as jail, special camps Or social services work rehabilitation🎉 facilities where they must work be housed get paid learn the value or money again😮or stay as the majority and or be hungry 😊. It is hard to fathom that other cities and governments Feds and States ALL give them MONEY to do NOTHING! So they prefer stay on drugs alcohol. Social services need to be firm, fair faithful, frank to get them of the streets. 😮 They are paid as NGO's. We can all help as church groups with food and clothing, showers. 😢 Caring and CHOICE ALTERNATIVES😮 to them. it's ashame what has happened Statewide, Federal Wise or world wide. ❤I love all my brothers and sisters of any fair faith none and persuasion. How do people let themselves go even as homeless. We allocate billions not just for defense and all other gambits and persuasions. There is so much waste. 🎉 How can we all help as this man suggests? You have more idea than I. Please go on to help or say kind word or speak up. 😮 there is much wisdom in Book of Or Proverbs BIBLE. I like San Francisco and Oakland and the BART system. So many were helpful to be there. I am from Boston and Los Angeles. Thank you so much for making this excellent video. There are more ideas🎉we all have to share. Thank you for everyone here.
Dude thinks spraying water on crap throwing lady is tough to watch🤣🤣🤣🤣. You need to get out more often.
Do you consider door locks to be hostile design, because they deter thieves?
So a war veteran who got screwed over by the government and ended up living on the streets is the same as a thief?
@@allergy5634 screwed over how?
@@robertsabharwal9787are you aware how the US treats veterans?
Being homeless isn't illegal, and everyone has a right to exist.
You house, beyond that locked door, is private space; the public space is...well, public space. These designs lower the comforts of city's inhabitants, and they did not agreed to it.
Will you be fine if the government put booby traps or cameras in your house without asking your permission, all just to catch potential burglars?
Hostile? Passive aggressive at best. Can you blame them though?
It's not passive aggressive at all. It's direct and plain to see, and obviously for a reason.
Alright, speaking as a security guard in SF. A lot of my job is having to do crisis intervention, you hear alot of these people's stories and Im friends with people who were homeless for more than a few years but got back up on their feet. In my honest opinion, I dont entirely believe its just California's fault, its the entire country's. In most states, homeless are seen as just criminals, idiots who cant handle their own financials, and just drug addicts who never learned after their first overdose. After talking to these people, a lot come here because it really is genuinely still one of the better states to be in terms of social services. HOWEVER, Due to california's high cost of living, its hard for these people who have nothing to build themselves up. If say they went to Idaho or some other state with lower costs of living, and still had access to the same amount of services we have here, I genuinely believe it would significantly easier for them(the ones who really do want to be better) to get back up on their feet.
It is constructed to be a bus shelter, not a hotel room.
These people are homeless. Show some compassion.
@@Puggy42069Exactly. He’s probably some dumb fuck who makes 6 figures and doesn’t care about anybody else.
@@Puggy42069why don’t you house them then?
@user-oe7oe2fl8q What a nice and kind response that serves to add nothing to the conversation! Thank you!!
@@carotman4969 you’re welcome 😂
Imagine being called hostile when people are robbing you and living on your property. Get a clue.
It's public property though 🙄
@@Maxrepfitgmyes it is there to be utilized by the public as a whole, not to be a bedroom for a select group of people
@@mttcrs8044only some of us understand this unfortunately. Public is EVERYONE. Therefor there is no reason why I shouldn’t be able to access a park or walk down a sidewalk because someone else decided they didn’t want to move. It’s crazy to me that some people don’t see the irony in what they’re saying 😅
@@mttcrs8044 Or outdoors bathroom
Yep I agree but where are these people supposed to go? They can’t afford to rent a place so what’s the answer?
Yeah….90% of people think these are a good idea. How dare these businesses build things to keep homeless from making escapements in front of their business.
@hamburglar83 you need to check your facts sir.
i am a waiter in Chicago i had to go out on to my restaurants outdoor seating area and try to stop two homeless people from fighting each other in front of my customers i dont have the answers to the homeless issue.i do feel less safe in my own city
the glass is gone because people kept breaking them...
glass companies are using them to experiment with types of glasses. Gorilla and bulletproofed glasses are now used.
Yup. Vandalism was, and still is a huge issue.
That's what he said in the video.
Exactly!
good for san fran, make it clean again.
Finally they do something that works. San Francisco has been bending over backwards for generations to help out the homeless and it never worked. Good for them
they were spending a billion a yr. or more on homeless, it didn't work
@@michaelsix9684because the ones who are supposed to “solve” homelessness would stop receiving billion dollar handouts from the federal government for their pockets if they ended homelessness
@@JellyAntz I agree totally. Govt. programs help lots of people running programs get rich but homelessness remains. They don't want to solve the problem and lose that payout.
SF gets most homeless people from elsewhere! The city has given too many incentives to draw them in. SF spends a billion plus per year on this problem. No success!
@@michaelsix9684It isn't necessarily that the cities are giving the homeless something that is the draw. Cities with the largest numbers of homeless tend to have fair weather conditions year round, along with giving them access to panhandling.
The people that love to defend the homeless are never the ones trying to stop people from being homeless
Nah, they're the same people big dog. Imagine the inverse.
@@roastbeefy0weefyyou sure about that? The lgbtq center is participating anti homeless tactics and they’re the ones who are usually at the front lines of the whole support the homeless/help others movement. (This is not a homophobic comment, just an observation)
@@alexibarra4675 Yeah but you're treating a group as a monolith / strawmanning. It's good for a quick standup bit but doesn't really make sense. If the original commenter's point is true, then who does actually try to help homeless people? Those who hate them? Get real. Of course some people are all talk, but the group that isn't are still a subgroup of the group that talks about it.
@roastbeefy0weefy 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ just saying it's a little ironic. There's nothing to get real about. I have my opinion and my perspective, and I'm sticking to it, so it's harder for me to look contradictory than these people who say we have to help but take no action towards helping. I understand your point, but until people start to actually take action, they're just words. I support the anti homeless stuff because in my line of work, they're a nuisance and constantly create shitty situations for me or the people who work for me.
I called this a long time ago.
If you deprive, lots of people of private space, public space will be degraded.
That's good. When I try to sit on a bench either to rest or wait for a bus, there are sometimes homeless people sleeping. Benches are supposed to be used for sitting for some limited time, not sleeping. It's the city responsibility to solve the homeless problem permanently, but are not doing it.
I very much support homeless outreach, mental health, drug and alcohol treatment, job training etc. I don't however believe that anyone has a right to live on a public sidewalk and one of the worst trends we have seen is the normalization of homelessness and treating them as an oppressed minority
Well said fenian! The cowardice displayed by politicians all over the country regarding homeless bums is revolting and pathetic!!!!!!!! :( I remember reading about the prevailing attitude in San Francisco of being compassionate. Well, what about the homeless having to show accountability? :(
its the worst trend yet you all vote for people who dont care about it, left and right. homeless arent all drug addicts, and there are families who live in their vans now because the rent is too high.
Criminalizing homelessness is not the answer either. Giving someone a criminal record on top whatever other problems they have just makes it even harder for them to pick themselves up.
if you make the city homeless friendly, you will see homeless people coming to SF all over the world. It's disaster. LOL
They already do. The city is extremely friendly to homeless people in some ways. But extremely unfriendly in others.
Just goes to show you that government won't fix the homeless situation and they lack the skills to actually solve the homeless problems because they are more focused on keeping their lifestyle than doing their jobs
Socialist cities doing what they do best. Running their cities like a rathole, they create a “solution“ to a problem they’ve created in the first place 😂😂😂
How you help a good for nothing homeless addict if they dont want help we need more money spent on thesse even in canada the best way to help them is to force them or make living on the street such a hell that they go get help ps. More like make them get a job no 1 should spend a cent on thosse people
Stay in your lane Drake.
@@SebastienChouinard-oq8vj you say that like a homeless person can find a job to pay them enough to live in the city
@@taffinjones8641 are they forced to live therre if you want to live in the big aple dont expect to aford it wotking at a fast food place even a toddler know that..
If you don't do that, the homeless will take over the bus shelters for themselves and build a shack there.
We need more of this design. I think the narrator's efforts would be better used working to solve the issue of homelessness rather than insinuating that people should give up public spaces for "tents" and "sleeping" areas. Homeless people often do not respect the property or the space of others. Perhaps, creating jobs, providing those jobs to the homeless would help. Perhaps, bringing back sanitariums would help those who do not have the capacity to work. This is not about how awful it is that people want to enjoy there spaces, but rather a government that has manufactured homelessness by taking away jobs, allowing costs to outpace earnings, and making it seem like homelessness is normal. Why was homelessness not such an issue decades ago?
I agree with a lot of what you said. Unfortunately this design makes is harder for everyone to use. You see more people than ever sleeping in bus stops. But now they're useless for everyone else.
Do you ever watch " News For Reasonable People"? Sean, the host echoes my opinion: this is not a "homeless" but much more so a "drug and mental illness" one 🙏.
@@SeanA.Skeete-wd4vi I’ll check it out! is that you? I agree mental health and drugs are a huge part of the issue.
answer to the last question, because of housing abundance, if that city wasn't stuck with fascists increasing their money numbers we would see same development as in Europe or for an actually human system we would see housing is human right approach & just build min 5 story apartments everywhere where single fam duplex or quadruplex stands now.
You don't need more of that design. You need more social housing and rehabilitation problems. And more affordable housing, not 24 empty houses bought for investment purposes for 1 homeless person.
And look at how much many goes on that design.
PS: Yes, there're still issues with homelessness in the EU, but it's not even close to the US numbers. Japan is closest to the solution. 0.003%
Ah yes, fighting the symptoms instead of the disease
Like our health care system!
Thanks so much for this video. What a difficult, sad, and complicated topic. I visited SF last year and just came back this month for a family graduation. I saw a large decline in homeless encampments. I was not sure why but understanding now what you raised makes sense. San Francisco is such a beautiful city and ALL of its residents are lovely, in their own special ways.
Not inhumane. Meant to be used for short periods of time - that's all.
Have you seen these design decisions reverted? Here in SF, that hasn't happened.
@@AdamDoesNotExistHollywood California just demanded a bunch of planters be removed or fines would be handed out… so technically yes, but I guess it might take longer to get to the more liberal sides of the state?
@@AdamDoesNotExist I think he means the benches are designed to be used for short periods of time. In other words, they’re not meant for sleeping or living, but for the people who come to bus stops to wait for a bus.
HAHAHA! Gotta love the politicians...always a bandaid ....never the cure.
This is why people are so upset. Plus the bandaid isn't that effective.
There is no cure.They enjoyed doing their drug.They won't stop
Yes the aggressive homeless druggies are very hostile.
wow hostile design sounds great. Why are you having a problem with it. You can't use a bus stop if there is a person sleeping there. You can't use a door if there is a person sleeping there. You can't tend a garden if there is a person sleeping there. So your saying that old people, handicapped people, children and women don't matter. Because you don't like hostile design. Mentally ill people are not sleeping on the street because they are poor. They are sleeping on the street because they can't fill out a form, clean themselves or show up anywhere on time. They can't take responsibility. And if they had an apartment they would not go there. Mentally ill people need a place. But they don't want to or can't fit in any rules. A city lives on its rules. And there in lies the rub.
I don’t think he’s saying it’s bad. He’s saying how the way they’re addressing it is inefficient and a huge waste of money. He’s capturing how nothing is working well and what ideas are being used.
Exactly! Thank you
They use glass breakers to shatter the glass. The City removed the glass to prevent it.
U call it hostile, I call it smart design. no one wants drug dealing in front of their houses.
Of course not. But the drug dealing and homeless issue is worse than ever. Whatever you call it, it isn't working.
@@AdamDoesNotExist Pretty much everything you showed in the video was new. And SF has cleaned up remarkably in the last 6-9 months. So why do you say that it isn't working?
The planters - new. The bus stops - new. The fare gates - new. The benches - new. etc. You get the picture.
Try living here with all the drug dealing and unhinged drugged up crackheads for a while then we'll see how you sing.
Imagine that you're allergic to oranges and get rush because of that. You try to make your skin look better by putting a foundation on that rush AND at the same time you continue to eat oranges and even increase the consumption.
It is a smart behavior? Hell NO. And that hostile architecture is the same. They spend a huge ammount of money to construct and install that and keep pumping housing prices up. There are 24 empty properties for 1 homeless person in the US. There is no shortage, just sheer greed.
The democrats do they don't care
@@AdamDoesNotExist The democrats don't care they seem to like it for some reason
I have been subscribed to you for a couple months now, and normally I’m a silent viewer but I want to express how great your content is! You always deliver quality videos, with well written scripts in a thoughtfully edited format. This video in particular sticks out to me as someone from the bay and aspiring to be a civil engineer for the city for the reason of helping eradicate hostile architecture or bandaid solutions - instead, to cultivate community and get to the root of what hostile architecture is actively avoiding to figure out. Thank you for sharing and I can’t wait to see what you have for us next!
Thank you! That means a lot to me. The work you're talking about it important. A lot of money is spent on symptoms in the bay area, not the actual cause. The result so far seems to be just a lot of frustration.
If someone is throwing their own poop at you, you have every right to spray them with a hose. I understand having compassion for those who struggle with mental illness and poverty. Iv spent many days talking with and feeding the homeless. The problem is that our taxes are going to a billion different things we can’t even choose instead of going to housing programs and mental institutions to help a lot of these people struggling on the streets. Instead, people want to get mad at businesses owners for having to deal with a problem that shouldn’t even be theirs in the first place. Come guys, people being Holmes’s should be a right to impede that on everyone else. Like even the term “hostile architecture” is joke. It’s not hostile at all. It’s smart. Getting HEP C from a homeless person throwing a crack needle in your arm is hostile. Having people throw their own poop at you is hostile. An uncomfortable seat for a bus?… ingenuity.
If the people who died in supportive housing in 2020, what percentage of them died from COVID? That said, sleeping on the street was probably safer in terms of avoiding COVID than sleeping in a shelter.
If they make it more comfortable, they'll just make it a toilet
Hahaha. Anything can be made a toilet with a bit of creativity.
Which toilet would you suggest these people use?
@@ssbohio not our problem
@@TCskatesThey'll just poop in your grass then. Problem solved. 😂
@@TCskates Not our problem, but our responsibility. Public sanitation is a community responsibility, and has been since at least Roman times.
I propose the ultimate in anti-homeless architecture: Build homes.
That would require them to get a job or hustle, and maintain a mortgage. Phahahhahahahaaha
@@Aw3someOpZ Not actually. People who can't afford housing can still be housed.
@@Aw3someOpZ many homeless people do have jobs, they just dont pass as homeless
when you have basic needs met you can be a functioning part of society eaier
Ah... but how do you intend on making people Behave ??.... and is it too much to ask that if. they are provided Shelter ... they Remain Sober ~ or is that Too much for you ??
@@michaelWells-ef9bx Their having shelter isn't preconditioned on anything. It's a human right, not a prize they win.
Once they have shelter it becomes vastly easier (and cheaper) to address their other issues, including drug addiction. This has been shown again and again where it's been tried.
The more hostile to vagrancy, the BETTER! Those business owners didn't work hard and establish credit so moochers could sleep there.
Its About Time - Great Job......
Lord forbid the junkies wont be able flop down in front of my business door.
During the early 90’s the fountain at UN Plaza wasn’t cordoned off. It was a regular sight when I took the bus to school to see the homeless and drunks peeing into the fountain. And sometimes tourist kids played there.
What if all the effort to make homelessness invisible to tourists was directed toward actually doing something to help the homeless?
I think hostile architecture is GREAT! In fact why call it hostile? Just call it architecture. People shouldn't be camping out, doimg drugs & ruinimg a city.
@@xxzinks Not on footpaths, blocking taxpayer's homes, or in front of businesses, ruining their businesses. Perhaps in a shelter? Or a forest? Or an empty block of land somewhere?
@@Sammy-il1qf What if they work nearby? How would they get to their job from the forest or some "empty block of land somewhere"?
@denisemayosky1955 Those that work are living in cars, not doing drugs in front of someone's business 🙄
Your attitude is EXACTLY why the city has become a shithole. Suicidal empathy. Wokeness.
Trying to figure out why what that shopowner did was "not ok". Also trying to figure out why it's ok to say not ok.
Assaulting people is "not ok." That's what the shopowner did with his water hose.
When the story came out, none of the background on the lady throwing feces or his repeated requests being ignored was included. So people thought the lady was only there for a night or few hours and he, unprovoked, just started spraying her.
With all of the information coming out, his actions are a last straw against someone who has been making his life hell.
"Houses are for living in, not financial speculation." ~ Xi Jinping
Just because he's a communist doesn't mean he's wrong about everything.
Sure, if Xi says it it's gotta be right 😏 China is a dictatorship and has its own homeless crisis.
Finally they get their city back
Idk a part of me feels bad that hostile architecture exists in sf, but another part of me is aware the public spaces were never designed for sleeping in the first place while also aware that if you dont have a home you dont have choice buf to sleep in public. Idk ive always been on the edge when it came to homeless issues. I only recently moved to sf and the homeless issue is very prominent
there are so many resources available to homeless people, there’s really no excuse for them to be living on the street.
this statement has already been debunked one hundred million times
Historically there were wedges in corners to prevent public urination. Noise speakers to scare away loiterers. High pitch mosquito noise only young ears can hear or use cultural classical music.
Difficulty to find public restrooms when we can't have nice things. Many places around the world charge them or otherwise with top of the line free restrooms in Japan which doesn't have many homeless or addicts to begin with.
Thats so horrible. "Only old white people allowed here. Fuck off teenagers"
Ottawa is doing the same thing in there bus stop shelters...I see people piggy backing to evade paying transit fares all the time.
First time stumbling upon your channel man. Great explainer, instant sub!
Amazing! Glad to have you here!
If junkies broke into your car 3 times a year and curled up steamers on your porch you'd be hostile, too.
Thanks for giving Cathenge a cameo in your "Hostile Design" video which I think is valuable information people should be aware of since, as you point out, it is often cleverly camouflaged.
My art installation, "Cathenge", is actually a paragon of "friendly design". It's a sculptural installation that provides a space where people of all kinds are welcome to gather. It's been really gratifying to see that the installation has been well respected by everyone - including homeless people. From the beginning of its display, the homeless have spent time at the installation, but I've never found any damage or problems that I could attribute specifically to the homeless. Indeed, individual homeless persons have taken time to speak with me and convey their appreciation of the art, and the space it has created. I believe that if people put more creative energy into "friendly design" there would be a lot less problems on the streets. Creating inclusive art spaces that foster community is a great approach to more friendly principles in urban planning.
I should clarify that Cathenge has not been a homeless hangout especially. That's not what I meant above. Homeless people do visit it, but they don't dominate it at all. The installation has been shared by people of all economic classes as far as I can tell, and people of all races, nationalities, and religions. I think that demonstrates that if one does make a pleasant space it doesn't mean that the homeless are just going to take it over. That hasn't happened at Cathenge at all
Cathenge is amazing! There’s a handful of things in the video that aren’t at all hostile design. They’re just there between scenes because SF has so much cool stuff to see. Thanks for your work!
Great start. Keep it up and looking forward to more😊🙏.
you have to make it uncomfortable for homeless to just put up a tent. Will encourge them to get actually housing.
Unfortunately, it hasn't worked. And there isn't any more housing.
We'll never happen.They can't take their drugs with them
@@Wildman-zh8lg Why is that a requirement for housing? Wouldn't it be easier to recover from addiction disease if you had stable housing?
@@AdamDoesNotExistunfortunately housing won’t help 99% of these people. They need to be institutionalized in mass for their own safety and the publics. It’s very obvious every “progressive” approach is not even an attempt to resolve the issue. You cannot just give housing to mentally ill people, a huge portion of which have intense drug addiction. They need treatment, therefore the solution is to build many, nationwide MASSIVE drug rehabilitation/homeless housing relocation centers and if they can’t be corrected through that program they do not get to interact with the general public. Ever. These programs also CANNOT be permanent housing solutions UNLESS they can prove they’re fitness for society. Granted housing is more complex than this however there’s literally hundreds of millions of Americans struggling right now and not everyone is homeless, therefore proving some people have serious issues that run deeper than just the average issues affecting society. The US and the world cannot afford the ridiculous, dangerous worldview of the left, progressive, communist, marxist, liberal approach to this issue. Not to mention the OUTRAGEOUS abuse that happens through any of these homeless programs which in reality is just a homeless industrial complex. Most of these organizations just steal billions of dollars and quite literally enrich themselves off of tax payer dollars meant to actually fix the problem. Enough is enough. California has done MOST things wrong since the 60s and unfortunately, because they think they’re smarter and better than everyone else they feel they should keep doing EVERYTHING from an extremist left wing perspective. The state is a disaster and yet they feel they should export this ridiculous mindset that doesn’t even work in California and DEFINITELY doesn’t work in the rest of the world. That’s what happens when people spend generations being in a bubble separated from the real world. In comparison to everywhere else on earth, California is NOT normal and they do not handle problems in intelligent ways. Been living in this state for almost a decade and it never ceases to be shocking at the ridiculous level of insane and stupid things that people think is normal and ok smh
It is actually been proven that is true. NYC did this experiment about a decade back now. Giving housing no strings. Kept the support service and what happen was once they got a home they started seeking help. Funny. Once the experiment end it was never picked up. So European countries have used to help with there homeless. It still works. So many of thing that Europe does is stuff we came up with first. But we have to many people here that think no one should get a hand out
This is a similar concept to bird spikes that keep pigeons from landing on lamp posts, building eaves and other areas birds like to land on and hang out on.
Totally. I thought about doing a section about that and all the other forms, but left it out
The drug situation is completely out of control.
Also the reason that they don't have glass is because people kept breaking it. You'd have to be utterly uninformed to not realize that all the glass got broken, repeatedly, until they just stopped replacing it. They had to replace some stops dozens or hundreds of times if they wanted to keep the glass on them.
Yup. That's what I said!
Bus stops are intended as places to wait for your bus, not encampments.
They have money to build anti-homeless designs, but not money to give them homes
Open asylum and force them to get help
Great video Adam.
I think is a good idea what San Francisco Goverment been doing .
I have seen many documentry/ videos about homeless in San Francisco & California.
When i was in New York i have seen Homeless / druggy around . I think California is most highest when come to homelessness people. Sad to see what is happening .
American Government they must give free place for homeless to stay in empty buildings / malls . Make more rooms .
There is certainly a lot of work to be done!
@@AdamDoesNotExist agree with you. Have a great day brother.
Hugs from Malaysia
Why not put spikes on all seats, benches, everywhere??? the homeless should go and sleep in the city hall
There's a brief shot in this video of someone sleeping on the lawn in front of City Hall. It's common!
So, you don't want to sit anywhere, not even in the park? You do realize that not just the homeless use seats and benches and whatnot. But I guess you'd just rather stand everywhere...
When I went to college in San Francisco in 1980, the city actually put raised person-sized corrugated metal drainage pipes in some of the parks for the homeless to sleep in and be out of the weather.
Wow. A lot has changed. I believe the scale of the issue has increase quite a bit since then.
The issue isn’t that homeless people are getting in the way of things it’s that people don’t have homes bruh build more public and rent controlled housing and form tenant unions
Just a possible cure. SF why not prevent the problem by offering free or affordable housing? Newsome and Pelosi r to blame for homelessness.
I cant blame them at this point. Everyone cried about it but no one wants to ACTUALLY help them. Just complain that the bench isnt comfy.
Good. It’s dangerous to have homeless camping and pooping all over the storefronts in the city. I don’t like stepping over needles either.
Thank you for all these GREAT IDEAS ! We'll get right on this.
Cheers from Canada.
What was the estimated cost for all this hostile architecture vs the estimated cost for improving the shelter system?
I loved this video! My bf and I were just in SF and we definitely noticed the hostile architecture. I'm curious as to your thoughts on the SF cleanup for Xi Jingpin's arrival...
Thank you! That was pretty wild. A lot of people were pissed at how fast they were able to do it. The city has said for years that they're doing everything they can. But they just pushed people into other places, and today, it's basically back to the way it was before. They didn't actually solve anything.
its llike cleaning up before guests arrive at your house for a family party llol
Yes, this bothered me. The leadership finally decides to clean up for foreigners visiting, not for the taxpayers. Kinda tells me where their priorities lie.
Another day in paradise Phil Collins (1989)
America gave up on the homeless crisis long ago . Remember all these ways to prevent degeneracy require studies, and lots of money. This will get way worse before it gets better .
Hostile architecture doesn't move homeless people. They will make a shelter. Why do you think people pitch their tents anywhere
Government: "Should we do anything to try and combat the skyrocketing housing and rent costs? Which is probably the biggest (not only but biggest) contribution to the increase in homelessness. Na? Well do whatever it takes to increase homelessness and then whatever it takes to make their lives even worse.
Thankyou for these explanations. I like your video production, great job!!
Thank you!
It's extremely costly to provide shelter to all 686,000 homeless people in California , and how many prefer to go back to work to people get of street ?
How many are willing to accept help or prefer to stay in the situation they are in ?
Charity and shelters can only help so much especially with limited financial resources.
Hostile architecture is hostile to disabled people. People who need to stop and take a break either must spend their money to buy some portable seat, or be unable to go to places they want to go to.
I don't know, I think I could find a tent that fits around those planters.
Such a bummer. I get that these are public spaces and why we do not want to encourage people sleeping on benches. But all these changes are ugly and in the long run make things worse for everyone. I think we'll look back at this time and regret what we've done to our cities.
It's not "hostile architecture" ... it's trying to keep hostile people out.
Lending a hand to take care of your brother is a lot of time and effort… finding ways to detour and ignore him…
We’re #1 at blame, hate and fear.
So sad..that this city has to do this. Definitely not solving the problem of honeless.
Anti homeless and pro illegal + pro criminal. That is the California way
If that were true, they'd love trump! He's a criminal married to an illegal.
Its not a home, its a bus stop.
Those rapid-close subway gates are a nightmare if you're pulling a suitcase, wearing a backpack or using a cane or crutches.
You missed showing all of the hostile architecture at the Church and Market Safeway where all of the concrete surfaces have bumpy metal grates on top of them! I've tried to pick up a quick sandwich and eat it outside but it's impossible! I've had to walk all the way over to Duboce Park -which isn't close - and try to find a bench! Worst thing was the very next day after the election to outlaw tents all over the place failed to pass! They were EVERYWHERE after that!
I filmed so much stuff that didn't make it in the video. Once you know to look for it, it's absolutely everywhere.
See? It affects regular people too, not just the homeless! And what if someone trips over that uneven surface, especially someone who is elderly? They could really get hurt! Sounds like San Francisco is setting itself up for a lawsuit!
really good video. I saw the planters pop up over night off harrison street after they did a ‘sweep’ on tents and it was super obvious what was goin on (especially with yes, how awkward the planters look lol) I understand where people are coming from when they say this architecture is a useful preventative measure, agree there are legitimate grievances over sanitary safety too, just feel like these bandaids need a lot more backup as you mentioned, then the city has been doing. i.e. they provided plane tickets to a ton of houseless people to go to their families recently, but that taking place after the city spent $22 million on the Tenderloin’s harm reduction/drop in homelessness service center only for them to shut it down less then a year later; again (and cliche) seems like trying to clean the mirror when what’s in the mirror needs to be tended to. bonus and to add insult to injury, these harm reduction sites maybe difficult for some people to wrap their heads around, I get that, but there is plenty scientific evidence/data on how these sites are a legitimate tool for overdose prevention..
Thank you!
You should see what they’ve done to New York City talk about nasty uncomfortable I’m elderly I need to sit waiting for bus and occasionally sit from walking. It’s a nightmare.
I've seen the new "benches" on subway platforms. I'm sorry to hear it's been difficult for you.
Never been.
To california but it's bad here in tucson arizona
Blame the homeless not the government. The homeless have ruined a lot of great things California once had. They destroyed our metro here in LA
@@grod805 It's NOT the fault of the homeless!! They're victims of a society that doesn't bother to care about ALL its citizens, but instead caters exclusively to the very wealthy. If they didn't allow private corporations to buy up housing in bulk then turn around and rent it out at exorbitant rates and turn housing into a commodity to get rich off of instead of as a need that should be for everyone, there wouldn't even *be* any homeless, or there'd be very few that can be worked with! You're doing just what the corporations want - to turn on the victims of this messed-up system instead of fighting the ones who are benefitting from it. And that's why things will never get done - because people are trained to attack the victims of a problem instead of the problem itself!
Wit respect, I live in a suburban area. I would not choose to live in an urban area where people could live outside my home and obstruct walkways with their bodies and/or shelters. I must pay taxes to live in a place. I must work to provide myself with food , shelter, clothing.
Who gets to decide how much I must pay for others survival and how much less I have to provide for my own needs and wishes?
Who gets to decide and by what right how much of my income is Mine and by what authority?
Going with the Proportion of an individual's income is required for survival (need) vs. wishes (everything else), what is the proportion of the income of the people who make these decisions that I must give up what is mine for other people's use without my individual consent?
Isn't it Theft to take what belongs to someone else?
I do not see hostile architecture.
I see a futile attempt to retain control of property from those who wish to steal its use from those who pay for it.
What is the origin of authority homeless people have to do what they want , where they want and not pay for it?
How does one keep shelters safe without endless 24 hr cameras and guards and on site police?
You decide how much money goes to this by voting for the people that direct your tax dollars how you want. And if you pay any federal or state tax in the US, your money is paying for these services.
@@AdamDoesNotExist With respect, I haven't seen or heard political candidates promise " I will take your money to fund schools,maintain streets and bridges and distribute the rest as a "come one come all" endless open house for people who are not paying taxes?
With respect, that politicians are voted into office and spend tax money as is useful to them does not answer the question of authority granted to homeless people to utilize public streets that they do not maintain by their efforts nor pay to maintain as their personal property.
I can pay taxes on a commercial property that no one wishes to visit because of the refuse from and bodies that must be stepped through to access said property.
In theory it is sensible to run one's personal finances as a business by not spending more than one's income.
Taking a small percentage of that gross income to provide "for the public good" is reasonable.
How is it good business to keep increasing the expenditure until an increasing number of people start to lose the ability to provide for themselves?
Thank you for responding to my questions.
I bet we agree on more than we disagree. None of this is good business. SF wastes so much money on all of this. I completely understand why there are so many planters on the streets. But they aren't working. I saw a few people sitting on them dealing drugs. Anyone who lives in SF has seen that. It's frustrating.
@@AdamDoesNotExist A lateral problem. Theory being everything, those voted into office do what they promise as opposed to what suits them.
In the past, political platforms were promises of actions to be taken as compared to now when the political rhetoric focuses on name calling and spending tax dollars to publicize each and every social faux pas while shielding or ignoring the inadequacy of role performance.
@@AdamDoesNotExist Yes. Problem solving is a skill. As with programmers and hackers, what one person devises another can destroy or overcome.
As with some others of my generation, I have grandparents who used outhouses as children and hand pumps for water at the kitchen sink.
I am fascinated with the question of what determines the rise and fall of prosperity in families.
Non-fiction is not my daily go-to, however, I read "The Psychology of Money" by Morgan Housel recently and got "White Trash" by Nancy Isenberg from the "to sell" rack at the library and recommend them both.
Perhaps it is hardest for those such as myself whose families could have but did not fall into depths of poverty that sucked away all energy needed to continue striving.
And such musings do not solve immediate problems such as clearing streets of bodies camping out.
Acknowledging that there is no "magic" to make it all go away, what actions do you see as possible beginning partial solutions to this issue?
Thank you again for this discussion.
Planters are there to keep homeless from setting up tents and linining up the curb and sidewalks with them.
I have seen the uncomfortable benches in my state also,not very comfortable to sit on !
We need more prisons.
Aren't those a lot more expensive than shelters, drug programs, and mental health services?
Housing, even supportive housing, is much cheaper than prison.
Why, so we can arrest people for being too poor? How DARE people not work a job that pays millions!!
the $$$ they spending on anti homeless can be used to actually help homeless people
The solution to homelessness is affordable housing. More money is spent on homeless proofing than actually helping them.
Good
I think hostile architecture is a good idea. I worked in downtown Philadelphia and you couldn't cross the street without being accosted by pan handlers. It was intimidating to enter a store or restaurant because of men hanging around the entrances. I'm sorry for the homeless who are in that situation through no fault of their own. I support programs to get the homeless working and self sufficient. There should be more subsidized housing but there should be a work requirement. Enact old vagrancy laws and make those who refuse to work keep moving.
American Humanity at its finest way to go Gav. Oh by the way did you ever punish the many public officials who owned and rented out the low income properties. I’m willing to bet it was quietly swept under the rug.
I admire your empathy for the unhoused, but based on the comments here, and sentiment in general, I'd say that hostile architecture is just the beginning. Next will be new legislation, and then increased enforcement staffing. Jails will be built and expanded upon, and this will be the homeless shelter of the future. I really see it going this way in the USA.
True! Judging by the comments, people are becoming more and more cold-hearted towards the less fortunate. I can understand some of it stems from frustration, but turning on these poor souls who have nowhere else to go is NOT the way we solve this problem!!
Why not fix the homeless problem itself rather than... forcing them to go other places? I can only see this problem getting worse if we implement more hostile architecture. Also how will this effect old people or disabled people?
so about the 1/4 of people leaving shelters due to death: obviously that's super high, but that was in 2020. is that similar in recent non-covid years? or is it that very few people leave otherwise?
So, let's be real. The city allocates 300 million dollars every year in the department charged with solving the homeless issue. Yet, no one questions where all that money is being spent or, asks the question, wouldn't it be simpler and more humane to just build more housing for people instead of ways to make their lives more miserable. As if being homeless wasn't inhumane enough, let's punish the homeless for daring to be comfortable. In the same city where Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg live, we can't find a way to come up with the money to build more housing for poor people. Really?
SF is good for public transport tho, it's almost allways not rainy and it doesn't get too cold or hot.
Many bus stops in the LA/OC area have no bench or shelter at all