My family has planned a trip of the UK I. The summer and when I was checking the route of stops (the trip was planned by a company) I noticed that it mostly follows the island boarders, except for Wales which was just excluded from the map which is a very Wales thing to happen.
The Welsh coast doesn't have much in the way of decent infrastructure. There's no direct trains from North to South Wales, and the roads are.. not great
It's because there's shit infrastructure in Wales. If I was planning a road trip across this island I would probably skip Wales as well if I didn't live here.
@@asheiou, it's mostly because of geography and population distribution. There are giant mountains and national parks going through the middle of the country. The only way for a train to quickly get through it is to tunnel through it which would create all sorts of environmental challenges. Furthermore, North Wales is simply not populated enough for any North South train to be economically viable.
Here’s my take as a young person (between 18-21) who was born in Wrexham and lived here my entire life: - My local area, from the city centre to my home, is in an awful state. - Years upon years of poor planning decisions (some at council level, some at government) and selling off council property to balance budgets has meant the high street only has charity stores, low-budget shops, or empty units. - There is no major dining scene in Wrexham. You can count on one hand how many independent cafes we have. - On the outskirts of the town centre are at least 4 retail parks, the largest of which being Eagles Meadow is virtually empty. - The presence of the retail parks and inappropriate/poorly maintained road infrastructure means there’s a lot of congestion and accidents. - There is very limited parking after 8am Monday to Saturday, yet the council-worker-only car parks are newly paved and typically half full throughout the day. - Poverty is predominantly in the centre of the city, with affluent areas being on the outskirts closer towards Chester, Oswestry, and Ruthin. - I am generalising here, but people living in Wrexham who have the ability to travel outward actively choose to spend their money elsewhere - mainly Chester and Liverpool. A reason Chester is such a wealthy city is due to the influx of shoppers residing in Wales. - The public transport is actually okay for coverage, though is expensive, uncomfortable and unreliable due to aforementioned congestion. Both the bus and train stations have anti-social behaviour and are eyesores. - The main college and university are in the city centre, but the students have very little to contribute to (in terms of shops, arts spaces, casual dining) in the city and again spend money elsewhere. - The Maelor A&E hospital (whilst home to many brilliant staff) is very spread out, poorly designed, and badly maintained. It also covers a huge area (including Powys) so resources are always stretched. - I personally have access to a good GP service, but GP services across the area are generally limited and poor quality. - Some people in the area do not take care of their property, whether it be laziness or cultural. That makes the a lot of places visually unappealing both to live and visit. The reason Wrexham is like this is due to failings in both local and national government. It’s the same reason why it takes over 3 hours to get to Cardiff on a train from Wrexham. It’s the same reason why roads gridlock during tourist season. It’s the same reason why 20mph exists on roads that aren’t safe to be that slow. It’s the same reason why investment in Wales is so low. Welsh Labour and UK Labour are NOT the same. Welsh Labour is heavily influenced by Plaid Cymru. Plaids extensive investment, tax reduction policies would bankrupt Wales.
As someone in their late 20s who's lived in a few cities and towns, I can tell you, you're describing the majority of towns and cities in the UK, it's even the case in London. The wandering turnip has a great TH-cam channel going around towns and cities to look at the state of things. There's one common theme though regarding the state of our high streets - high business rates.
I don't see Wales as wanting independence, just more control over its future (which isn't the same thing). The Welsh identity is very important, more so than it seems Scottish or Irish (NI) identity (looking as an outsider) and as long as people can feel Welsh and be Welsh that is more important than being an independent country. Which makes little sense as you would assume identity would go hand in hand with being independence (this is my observation as an outsider looking in).
@@danielwozniak8411 I’d say it’s a pretty good observation! The majority of ‘independence’ sentiment in Wales (as in Scotland, though different in Northern Ireland) stems from huge dissatisfaction with the London-centric, England-centric governance of Westminster. That said, the Welsh government does have a great degree of control over decision making. Welsh Labour have been lead by a far more left leaning set of politicians than Uk Labour currently has, and have been greatly reliant on Plaid Cymru support for many policies. Financially and realistically, these policies haven’t worked. The MP for my area routinely votes against interests of their local people and does little to help us. Wrexham council is a unique set of the absolute worst people to lead our area, there are other councils in Wales that run their localities well. The only thing I think could drastically improve my local area and Wales and the North as a whole, whether it comes through Uk, Welsh, or council spending, is investment in infrastructure. Road networks, hospitals, railways, services. Outside of wealth pockets and the South of the UK, quality infrastructure is a huge limiting factor.
@@danunpronounceable8559Conservative government cut corporation tax and pushed the cost onto local councils who put up business rates. bUt cuTInG coRpOrATiOn iS GoOD fOr iNVeStMEnt.
I'm not trying to be funny mate but I pressed translate just because I wanted to see how it would translate and it translated the Welsh flag to the English flag 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The problem with certain independence movements is that some people want to be independent in spite of the country there currently in without having a 'Actual' economic plan afterwards such as scotland Other places like greenland are doing it smart though by slowly cutting the ties instead of ripping it
Exactly plus the idea of independence often gets romanticised while reality is far more uncertain in a world of geopolitics, proxies and ulterior motives.
what are you balbbering on ? if scotland would be a independent nation 70% of the oil/gas fields that currently get funneld directly to westminster as tax and are coutned as english revenue would be in their seaborders.....scotland would be over night 1,5x its gdp xD
Welsh have been the most successful in reviving their language, greater percentage of Welsh people can speak Welsh language than Irish in Ireland or Scottish Gaelic in Scotland.
There would have to be an almighty shift in demographics for the people of NI to vote to leave the UK, even though it would be amazing to see a united Ireland in our lifetime. I still think the most likely nation to break away would be Scotland, solely on the close vote last time compounded by the disaster that is Brexit
There is already a shift in demographics with Catholics now in a majority. Furthermore the average age of the Catholic population is younger then the Protestant population with higher birth rate in the Catholic population..The largest political party is the Nationalist Sinn Fein,with a Nationalist now holding the position of First Minister.
@@jcym9058No there wouldn't have to be a massive shift. There would have to be a massive shift for NI to remain in the UK for the next 100 years. Out of the 18 Northern Irish MPs, 10 (a majority) are of Sinn Fein, a Republican and abstentionist party. Sinn Fein are also the largest party in Stormont (NI assembly). From recent assembly and local council elections Nationalism/Republicanism and Unionism are both sat at representing about 40% of the electorate each. At the 2021 census results show that those who solely identify as British or Irish represent about a third of the population each. At that census it showed that Catholics are in the majority, this may not mean they support Irish reunification but it tends to do so. Unionism is losing support at each election, at local, Stormont and national levels. Nationalist parties aren't gaining much more than 40% support at elections but what is growing is the middle "non-aligned" parties/representatives and given the continued decline of the UK (socially and economically) and the continued increase in quality of life in the Republic of Ireland, the argument for the Union is pretty much dead whereas the argument for reunification is only growing. Also, if we're all honest, because of Brexit Ireland is now already economically unified with NI remaining in the Single Market to align it's economy with Republic and protect businesses North and South of the border. If you gain a trade deal with the Republic, you also gain it with NI. The UK was more than happy to do this, as they couldn't care less about NI. This is evident from the complete stagnation in NI when compared with the rest of UK and the rest of Ireland.
@@themasterofpuppet1 let's add on that Scotland and Wales would require permission from Westminster (and a whole formal process to rejoin the EU), while Northern Ireland would not (it would simply be part of Ireland, and therefore part of the EU)
@@jwil4286 “it would simply be a part of Ireland”. There would be nothing simple about it. Do you know how many criteria have to be met to even hold a referendum? Hoops have the be jumped through, hoops that involve Westminster, Dublin and Belfast. There’s nothing simple about that process
Honestly as a Canadian I really hope to see Britain stay united, I think Scottish, English and Welsh people in a union is the best case scenario for the island rather than 3 separate factions The rest of the 21st century is going to bring some difficult times and the island is stronger United
As a Welshman I really don't care what Canada does. Welsh history is worth a read if your interested in finding out why there's an independence movement.
Since you are Canadian, I’d compare the situation of Wales to the situation happening in Québec, Québécois are being pushed out of their homes (housing crisis) and are slowly losing the French language. It’s simply not feasible for this form of government to exist, if a party won EVERY seat in every other uk nation other than england, it still would not be enough. English politicians can do whatever they’d like on a national scale and the devolved governments and politicians can shut it. Westminster can overrule any devolved parliament whenever they want (with no reason provided), and the barnett formula is simply unfair, not to mention the constant influx of English retirees moving to Wales and building expensive houses that locals cannot buy. On a wider scale, the UK is the laughingstock of Europe, if it meant staying in the UK or leaving and joining the EU later on. It would mean our voice would be heard on a continental scale. It’s an unfair deal and personally I’d like out.
@@dafyddtudur6812 understandable but tbh what are you without England? the significance of the UK is mainly just the significance of England as a lone county, wales is nothing in the world. I presume you want significance.
The thing is, if a government's interest is to keep its country together, giving parts of it more autonomy is not wise. Devolution initially came about to stem separatist feeling, and in Scotland, ever since giving it more powers, the more separatist it has become.
It's a ridiculous idea, even if we could fund it independently, as soon as the next major disaster happens, COVID, War, Bad Recession, Natural disaster whatever we would crumble. Small nations need somthing very special to thrive and we don't have that.
Water. It will be even more valuable in years to come. If Wales was independent it would make a fortune selling it's water to England. Also, as if the UK is coping well with any of those (potential) issues outlined. Also, who's starting a war with independent Wales?
@themasterofpuppet1 Water won't sustain a countries Economey. Theres plenty of springs elsewhere, now out EU can take ground water too. The UK has issues, Britain's economy is still strong. Plus Wales has the same issues their mostly global at this point. Flight of any skilled workers wouldnt help. As for war just look at what Ukraine did to prices globally, don't have to be involved. If anyone did go for Britian, an independent Wales would be a good starting place. UK would rush in with aid, slowing their efforts, a humanitarian crisis would make it worse and if they ever made land it wouldn't be too bad of a base, espically for cutting off trade and heading north, barricade the North west, fairly narrow waterways pick up Isle of man while ur there.
You're just talking out of your ass here. There are many European countries with a smaller economy and/or population who did neither better nor worse compared to bigger countries.
@Eteriaa If you look at the smaller countries in Europe that are doing just fine and understand their economy, you will find unique characteristics that make them work. Even in those counties you won't find the same level of public expenditure on Health, welfare, education, enterprise, infastructe and we would see massive cuts to public finances because it simply wouldn't be sustainable.
Welsh people don't care, independency would just simply piss alot of people off that commute daily to work over the 7 bridge. Also, the welsh don't pay for nhs prescription items and still have a valid nhs system for dentistry.
I believe that the Welsh Parliament is helpful in managing the region since it puts less stress on the UK parliament to do certain things. No I don’t believe that the Welsh parliament should be used as a body for legislative independence but instead it should be something used like the state system in the US or Australia, where these legislative body are used to manage local affairs?
Wales has nothing to offer the world as an independent nation. It would be at a huge trade deficit and expect everything at the price of nothing. As a welsh person I am in despair at the idea of Welsh independence. I left because there’s no opportunities for young people with a devolved gov. With an independent gov I expect all non welsh speaking natives to become second class citizens. The welsh speaking population are horrible to the English pop, and the 25% welsh speaking pop are the minority running the country and would be running the independent nation.
The thing with a lot of this is independence shouldn’t be needed, the politicians in London just need to go outside stop trying to ‘roast’ each other in parliament and do something about the rest of the country. But if those wankers keep acting like this they will push the country apart
It’s definitely viable, there are smaller and poorer countries than us that are independent. But the fact is, we’re too dependent on England and any independent Welsh state would need to keep England happy and not get on its bad side. Also, Wales is absolutely obsessed with the Labour Party and socialism. It’s ridiculous at this point. We’re a one party state and that party is not in favour of independence.
I would rather not tbh. The whole notion of Britain as a "union of nations" is rather silly. It exacerbates differences which don't really exist, just for the sake of having something different. It's very backwards. I hope that our politics do not continue to be dominated by such regressive perspectives.
Wales has a larger population (over 3 million) than 7 EU countries, including all of the Baltic states, Slovenia, Malta, Cyprus and Luxemburg. It is only slightly smaller than Croatia. As an EU member it would thrive.
'as an EU member it would thrive' there is literally no data to support that statement, the welsh GDP per capita is £27,000 as part of the UK it has a GDP per capita of £46,000 unless you are suggesting joining the EU would instantly double the size of wales economy(it wont) then wales would not even be at the level it is now let alone 'thrive'
Switzerland could teach the whole of Europe the main path to peaceful coexistence....A Confederation that unites the different souls of a State! Simple, right? 😉👍
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I don't see Welsh Independence occurring before either Scottish Independence or Irish Reunification.
"re-unification" ireland has never been an independent unified state
@@Kad.d Tell that to the Irish Republic (pre-1921)
@@joshuawells835 it claimed all of ireland but it never controlled all of it
Lol go home english skum @@Kad.d
@Kadwaladr free state actually existed for a day before NI opted out, so it was legally united for a day
It wasn't a parliament until 2007. The original devolution offer to Wales was much smaller in scale.
My family has planned a trip of the UK I. The summer and when I was checking the route of stops (the trip was planned by a company) I noticed that it mostly follows the island boarders, except for Wales which was just excluded from the map which is a very Wales thing to happen.
The Welsh coast doesn't have much in the way of decent infrastructure. There's no direct trains from North to South Wales, and the roads are.. not great
Avoid barrow and blackpool
It's because there's shit infrastructure in Wales. If I was planning a road trip across this island I would probably skip Wales as well if I didn't live here.
@@asheiou, it's mostly because of geography and population distribution.
There are giant mountains and national parks going through the middle of the country. The only way for a train to quickly get through it is to tunnel through it which would create all sorts of environmental challenges. Furthermore, North Wales is simply not populated enough for any North South train to be economically viable.
Here’s my take as a young person (between 18-21) who was born in Wrexham and lived here my entire life:
- My local area, from the city centre to my home, is in an awful state.
- Years upon years of poor planning decisions (some at council level, some at government) and selling off council property to balance budgets has meant the high street only has charity stores, low-budget shops, or empty units.
- There is no major dining scene in Wrexham. You can count on one hand how many independent cafes we have.
- On the outskirts of the town centre are at least 4 retail parks, the largest of which being Eagles Meadow is virtually empty.
- The presence of the retail parks and inappropriate/poorly maintained road infrastructure means there’s a lot of congestion and accidents.
- There is very limited parking after 8am Monday to Saturday, yet the council-worker-only car parks are newly paved and typically half full throughout the day.
- Poverty is predominantly in the centre of the city, with affluent areas being on the outskirts closer towards Chester, Oswestry, and Ruthin.
- I am generalising here, but people living in Wrexham who have the ability to travel outward actively choose to spend their money elsewhere - mainly Chester and Liverpool. A reason Chester is such a wealthy city is due to the influx of shoppers residing in Wales.
- The public transport is actually okay for coverage, though is expensive, uncomfortable and unreliable due to aforementioned congestion. Both the bus and train stations have anti-social behaviour and are eyesores.
- The main college and university are in the city centre, but the students have very little to contribute to (in terms of shops, arts spaces, casual dining) in the city and again spend money elsewhere.
- The Maelor A&E hospital (whilst home to many brilliant staff) is very spread out, poorly designed, and badly maintained. It also covers a huge area (including Powys) so resources are always stretched.
- I personally have access to a good GP service, but GP services across the area are generally limited and poor quality.
- Some people in the area do not take care of their property, whether it be laziness or cultural. That makes the a lot of places visually unappealing both to live and visit.
The reason Wrexham is like this is due to failings in both local and national government. It’s the same reason why it takes over 3 hours to get to Cardiff on a train from Wrexham. It’s the same reason why roads gridlock during tourist season. It’s the same reason why 20mph exists on roads that aren’t safe to be that slow. It’s the same reason why investment in Wales is so low.
Welsh Labour and UK Labour are NOT the same. Welsh Labour is heavily influenced by Plaid Cymru. Plaids extensive investment, tax reduction policies would bankrupt Wales.
As someone in their late 20s who's lived in a few cities and towns, I can tell you, you're describing the majority of towns and cities in the UK, it's even the case in London. The wandering turnip has a great TH-cam channel going around towns and cities to look at the state of things. There's one common theme though regarding the state of our high streets - high business rates.
I don't see Wales as wanting independence, just more control over its future (which isn't the same thing).
The Welsh identity is very important, more so than it seems Scottish or Irish (NI) identity (looking as an outsider) and as long as people can feel Welsh and be Welsh that is more important than being an independent country. Which makes little sense as you would assume identity would go hand in hand with being independence (this is my observation as an outsider looking in).
@@danielwozniak8411 I’d say it’s a pretty good observation!
The majority of ‘independence’ sentiment in Wales (as in Scotland, though different in Northern Ireland) stems from huge dissatisfaction with the London-centric, England-centric governance of Westminster.
That said, the Welsh government does have a great degree of control over decision making. Welsh Labour have been lead by a far more left leaning set of politicians than Uk Labour currently has, and have been greatly reliant on Plaid Cymru support for many policies. Financially and realistically, these policies haven’t worked.
The MP for my area routinely votes against interests of their local people and does little to help us.
Wrexham council is a unique set of the absolute worst people to lead our area, there are other councils in Wales that run their localities well.
The only thing I think could drastically improve my local area and Wales and the North as a whole, whether it comes through Uk, Welsh, or council spending, is investment in infrastructure. Road networks, hospitals, railways, services. Outside of wealth pockets and the South of the UK, quality infrastructure is a huge limiting factor.
@@danunpronounceable8559Conservative government cut corporation tax and pushed the cost onto local councils who put up business rates. bUt cuTInG coRpOrATiOn iS GoOD fOr iNVeStMEnt.
How can a road be too unsafe to have 20mph?
Cymru am byth 🏴
I'm not trying to be funny mate but I pressed translate just because I wanted to see how it would translate and it translated the Welsh flag to the English flag 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
For me too@@RoanThomas-Cardona
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Lmao the translation roast 😂
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The problem with certain independence movements is that some people want to be independent in spite of the country there currently in without having a 'Actual' economic plan afterwards such as scotland
Other places like greenland are doing it smart though by slowly cutting the ties instead of ripping it
Exactly plus the idea of independence often gets romanticised while reality is far more uncertain in a world of geopolitics, proxies and ulterior motives.
Most countries don't really have a proper economic plan. They just go with the flow.
scotland has oil, it's fine.
@@lynxfresh5214Russian money be like
what are you balbbering on ? if scotland would be a independent nation 70% of the oil/gas fields that currently get funneld directly to westminster as tax and are coutned as english revenue would be in their seaborders.....scotland would be over night 1,5x its gdp xD
Welsh have been the most successful in reviving their language, greater percentage of Welsh people can speak Welsh language than Irish in Ireland or Scottish Gaelic in Scotland.
As a welsh I believe that we should be independent and have more land
Tldr would be happy to see Europe divide even further.
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As would I , Cymru am byth! 🏴
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Now how about Northern Ireland (the most likely breakaway from the UK)?
There would have to be an almighty shift in demographics for the people of NI to vote to leave the UK, even though it would be amazing to see a united Ireland in our lifetime.
I still think the most likely nation to break away would be Scotland, solely on the close vote last time compounded by the disaster that is Brexit
There is already a shift in demographics with Catholics now in a majority. Furthermore the average age of the Catholic population is younger then the Protestant population with higher birth rate in the Catholic population..The largest political party is the Nationalist Sinn Fein,with a Nationalist now holding the position of First Minister.
@@jcym9058No there wouldn't have to be a massive shift. There would have to be a massive shift for NI to remain in the UK for the next 100 years.
Out of the 18 Northern Irish MPs, 10 (a majority) are of Sinn Fein, a Republican and abstentionist party.
Sinn Fein are also the largest party in Stormont (NI assembly).
From recent assembly and local council elections Nationalism/Republicanism and Unionism are both sat at representing about 40% of the electorate each.
At the 2021 census results show that those who solely identify as British or Irish represent about a third of the population each.
At that census it showed that Catholics are in the majority, this may not mean they support Irish reunification but it tends to do so.
Unionism is losing support at each election, at local, Stormont and national levels. Nationalist parties aren't gaining much more than 40% support at elections but what is growing is the middle "non-aligned" parties/representatives and given the continued decline of the UK (socially and economically) and the continued increase in quality of life in the Republic of Ireland, the argument for the Union is pretty much dead whereas the argument for reunification is only growing.
Also, if we're all honest, because of Brexit Ireland is now already economically unified with NI remaining in the Single Market to align it's economy with Republic and protect businesses North and South of the border. If you gain a trade deal with the Republic, you also gain it with NI. The UK was more than happy to do this, as they couldn't care less about NI. This is evident from the complete stagnation in NI when compared with the rest of UK and the rest of Ireland.
@@themasterofpuppet1 let's add on that Scotland and Wales would require permission from Westminster (and a whole formal process to rejoin the EU), while Northern Ireland would not (it would simply be part of Ireland, and therefore part of the EU)
@@jwil4286 “it would simply be a part of Ireland”. There would be nothing simple about it. Do you know how many criteria have to be met to even hold a referendum? Hoops have the be jumped through, hoops that involve Westminster, Dublin and Belfast. There’s nothing simple about that process
Wales will probably get independence before Scotland. For two reasons 1. They are no where near as valuable to Westminster.
2. To spite us Scots 😂
I fully support welsh independence
I just shocked how fragmented Europeans seem to be.
Wales needs to explore independence, if only because it would mean wall to wall tv news coverage, and daily debates in parliament about "Welsh-it"
Honestly as a Canadian I really hope to see Britain stay united, I think Scottish, English and Welsh people in a union is the best case scenario for the island rather than 3 separate factions
The rest of the 21st century is going to bring some difficult times and the island is stronger United
As a Welshman I really don't care what Canada does. Welsh history is worth a read if your interested in finding out why there's an independence movement.
As a Welshman, I strongly disagree. We've been marginalised for too long and have had no voice in shaping our future.
Since you are Canadian, I’d compare the situation of Wales to the situation happening in Québec, Québécois are being pushed out of their homes (housing crisis) and are slowly losing the French language. It’s simply not feasible for this form of government to exist, if a party won EVERY seat in every other uk nation other than england, it still would not be enough. English politicians can do whatever they’d like on a national scale and the devolved governments and politicians can shut it. Westminster can overrule any devolved parliament whenever they want (with no reason provided), and the barnett formula is simply unfair, not to mention the constant influx of English retirees moving to Wales and building expensive houses that locals cannot buy. On a wider scale, the UK is the laughingstock of Europe, if it meant staying in the UK or leaving and joining the EU later on. It would mean our voice would be heard on a continental scale. It’s an unfair deal and personally I’d like out.
@@dafyddtudur6812 understandable but tbh what are you without England? the significance of the UK is mainly just the significance of England as a lone county, wales is nothing in the world. I presume you want significance.
As an Englishman I really hope the union fails and we all go our separate ways
Wales should probably be given more autonomy similar to Scotland
The thing is, if a government's interest is to keep its country together, giving parts of it more autonomy is not wise. Devolution initially came about to stem separatist feeling, and in Scotland, ever since giving it more powers, the more separatist it has become.
The best way for Wales to achieve independence is that they just stop caring about what happens in Westminster.
Well, butty. Anyone want a sheep? 🏴
Welshman will not yield.
It's a ridiculous idea, even if we could fund it independently, as soon as the next major disaster happens, COVID, War, Bad Recession, Natural disaster whatever we would crumble. Small nations need somthing very special to thrive and we don't have that.
Water. It will be even more valuable in years to come. If Wales was independent it would make a fortune selling it's water to England.
Also, as if the UK is coping well with any of those (potential) issues outlined.
Also, who's starting a war with independent Wales?
@themasterofpuppet1 Water won't sustain a countries Economey. Theres plenty of springs elsewhere, now out EU can take ground water too. The UK has issues, Britain's economy is still strong. Plus Wales has the same issues their mostly global at this point. Flight of any skilled workers wouldnt help. As for war just look at what Ukraine did to prices globally, don't have to be involved. If anyone did go for Britian, an independent Wales would be a good starting place. UK would rush in with aid, slowing their efforts, a humanitarian crisis would make it worse and if they ever made land it wouldn't be too bad of a base, espically for cutting off trade and heading north, barricade the North west, fairly narrow waterways pick up Isle of man while ur there.
You're just talking out of your ass here. There are many European countries with a smaller economy and/or population who did neither better nor worse compared to bigger countries.
@Eteriaa If you look at the smaller countries in Europe that are doing just fine and understand their economy, you will find unique characteristics that make them work. Even in those counties you won't find the same level of public expenditure on Health, welfare, education, enterprise, infastructe and we would see massive cuts to public finances because it simply wouldn't be sustainable.
@@R1chardH What's so remarkable about, say, Slovenia?
Welsh people don't care, independency would just simply piss alot of people off that commute daily to work over the 7 bridge.
Also, the welsh don't pay for nhs prescription items and still have a valid nhs system for dentistry.
Welsh people do care
Cronwall also
Would be a good way of restoring the Irish Sea trade that was important to ports like Holyhead if independent led to rejoining EU.
As a Welshman independence is a idiotic idea deemed to failure and I believe in shutting down the welsh parliament
wow, ok why is that?
Would your opinion change if Scotland became independent and Ireland unified?
I believe that the Welsh Parliament is helpful in managing the region since it puts less stress on the UK parliament to do certain things. No I don’t believe that the Welsh parliament should be used as a body for legislative independence but instead it should be something used like the state system in the US or Australia, where these legislative body are used to manage local affairs?
Wales has nothing to offer the world as an independent nation. It would be at a huge trade deficit and expect everything at the price of nothing. As a welsh person I am in despair at the idea of Welsh independence. I left because there’s no opportunities for young people with a devolved gov. With an independent gov I expect all non welsh speaking natives to become second class citizens. The welsh speaking population are horrible to the English pop, and the 25% welsh speaking pop are the minority running the country and would be running the independent nation.
@@DanPlimmerIt’s a good thing for wales to promote the indigenous language. It would be wise for you to learn it
Is england gonna becone independent?
🏴🏴🏴
YES
Brits honestly just forget about NI. Fine by me but it really must sting for those loyalists in the North. Loyal to what?? 😂
Brrxit disaster
Why do snowflakes hate their own country.
I fucking hope not
Why?
Because of the ARMY POLICE NHS .
The thing with a lot of this is independence shouldn’t be needed, the politicians in London just need to go outside stop trying to ‘roast’ each other in parliament and do something about the rest of the country. But if those wankers keep acting like this they will push the country apart
It’s definitely viable, there are smaller and poorer countries than us that are independent. But the fact is, we’re too dependent on England and any independent Welsh state would need to keep England happy and not get on its bad side. Also, Wales is absolutely obsessed with the Labour Party and socialism. It’s ridiculous at this point. We’re a one party state and that party is not in favour of independence.
Oh the UK is crumbling :c
And it'll only afget regular people, like my friends and family.
I would rather not tbh. The whole notion of Britain as a "union of nations" is rather silly. It exacerbates differences which don't really exist, just for the sake of having something different. It's very backwards. I hope that our politics do not continue to be dominated by such regressive perspectives.
Why not?
Wales has a larger population (over 3 million) than 7 EU countries, including all of the Baltic states, Slovenia, Malta, Cyprus and Luxemburg. It is only slightly smaller than Croatia. As an EU member it would thrive.
'as an EU member it would thrive' there is literally no data to support that statement, the welsh GDP per capita is £27,000 as part of the UK it has a GDP per capita of £46,000 unless you are suggesting joining the EU would instantly double the size of wales economy(it wont) then wales would not even be at the level it is now let alone 'thrive'
Freedom Wales, and Scotland, saorsa gu a Chuim Righ agus Alba
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What freedoms do you not have?
@@ryder_hdidk man, just ignore him
@@ryder_hd Exactly, thanks to the UK who fought tyranny worldwide, they have freedoms.
@@Tay12345 didn’t Iain paisley say that?
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Yes 🏴
At this point, sadly, if wales became independent it would become an Islam State
No?
I think that would apply more to England than Wales
Short answer no long answer baaaaaaaaaaaaa 🐑
Switzerland could teach the whole of Europe the main path to peaceful coexistence....A Confederation that unites the different souls of a State! Simple, right? 😉👍
stop using that sound effect when the country breaks away please omfg
Don’t watch then
Why would they want to be smaller, less influent, less important and less powerful? And be a tiny fish in a big pond.