CORRECTIONS: (1) At 5:15 we say 'only a slight majority [in Bornholm] want independence', when we meant minority (2) At 6:30 was say that 'more than 8 million people claimed Silesian identity in the 2011 Polish census', when we meant 800,000 Both of these were typos on the writer's part (Zac/me, the guy writing this comment), so apologies for that; we'll try our best to improve in the future
9:58 you used Catalonia's flag to talk about an independence referendum in Basque Country (although the same thing happened in Catalonia around the same time, so I understand the source of the confusion). Besides, you said ETA fought a guerrilla war with Spain for "half a decade", when I think you meant "half a century".
How could you miss Corsica, who actually became the first European modern democracy during its short lived independence, and which is still to this day so riddled with a violent independentist movement that it has the highest murder rate per capita in Europe (source : BBC news). 3 out of our 4 representatives at the national legislative chamber of France are from the independentist party. We have our own assembly, a separate tax status from the rest of France, and even Macron is now adopting a politic in favor of more autonomy in order to quench Corsican’s thirst for independence. I love you guys, but that’s a pretty big miss.
@Joshua Walker Such a mature response... not. Every time I see a video about some independence movement or other I desperately hope that the childish/ignorant or just plain stupid comments won't be there, and that an adult discussion can be held. And, of course, I am always disappointed. Your pathetic attempt at humour apparently amuses you, but you are literally the only one.
You forgot Corsica. There is an independantist party in the island, even though they are far to be the majority. There was also some sort different liberations armies which used to be in competition, and perhaps related with mafias. But the attempt on Yvan Colonna' life (The murderer of prefet Erignac) in prison turned into violent reactions in the island.
In the Corsican assembly the two main parties are autonomists (32 seats) and bonapartists (17 seats), the autonomists are not really rooting for independance, the Bonapartists are French patriots, but as well attached to their local culture.
I think TLDR have fallen victim to Danish humor. Faroe islands definitely have a real independence movement - and they will definitely achieve it in our lifetime. But a lot of Danish islands and region in Denmark "proper" have joke independence movements. Vendsyssel (the northern part of the Jutland peninsula) had a big joke independence party back in the 90's. The funny part is, that you actually missed the biggest real separatist movement in all of Danish territory: Greenland, which is a very active and extremely interesting situation, that deserves an episode of its own
You entirely forgot Corsica and Sardinia. Both regions have had a serious independence movement for decades. While the situation in Sardinia appears to be comparatively calm - with many Sardinians being proud of their region but also of their "Italianness" - situation in Corsica is more unstable. Sicilian indipendence has never been a thing, at least not in the last few decades. Sicily has no viable economy and no competent administrators, it wouldn't survive without money from Rome. Sicilians know that all too well. An independence movement that is fairly in fashion is for the former Borbonic kingdom (the South of Italy, to make it simple) to be reinstated. Many people say that the kingdom was economically viable and that it became poor because of the centralised government in Rome robbing them of money and resources.
'Sicily has no viable economy and no competent administrators, it wouldn't survive without money from Rome. Sicilians know that all too well. ' Sounds like Corsica to me
Sicily would fairly survive. In fact, Sicily gives to the central government almost the same money as the funds it recives as being a Region. Also, Sicilian separatism was always a thing(and it was among the strongest in Italy), but it has shrinked since some decades.
I can't wrap my mind about excluding nearly all of the Balkans (Bosnia, Kosovo) and even Transnistria, but mentioning Bavaria, which isn't even a thing.
As someone else said Transnistria and Kosovo are already independent in reality and I would add Kosovo is actually recognised by a ton of countries as well. Also they said the movements they know of so maybe they don’t know of the Bosnian ones. Also your telling me no one on Bavaria has ever wanted independence?
A couple of comments about the Danish separatists. The Danish government and public are not against Faroese independence, but the loss of Danish government fund would devastate the Faroese economy. There is an idea that the Faroes should have an economy that can survive independence, before it is declared. Also, Bornholm independence movements only exits on online lists of independence movements. To say that a majority of Bornholmers wants independence is plainly wrong. There is a Bornholm independence party, but they could not even gain a single seat in the local government. I would not even call Bornholm independence a joke, because not enough people would get it. Edit: I think the reason that he said majority must have been a script mistakes, because he says it later, when he clearly ment a minority. But i would not expect such clear mistakes to become published.
Interesting info there. So in general the Danes seem more concerned with sorting Faroese economy first to make sure they're ready for independence? Quite strange, usually you'd see countries hold onto separatist areas for dear life.
You missed Sardinia. The Sardinian Action Party, Partito Sardo d'Azione, or PSdA, has the largest number of members in Sardinia's regional council. Sardinian nationalist parties in general gained nearly a third of the vote in 2019
@@FrancescoLeddamagneto Still, we have a lot of independentist parties. A poll also showed that a majority of Sardinians identify themselves as either only Sardinians of more Sardinian than Italian. They also didn't mention Corsica, where last months there were several riots
@@FrancescoLeddamagneto Everywhere I look they are described as separatist. At least everywhere I can find in a language I understand. I don't speak Italian, or Sardinian, so I can't read their official site
Most Serbs in Republika Srpska and Croats in Herzegovina both want outright session from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and, to either join Serbia (or Croatia) respectively, or to become completely independent states. Serbs in BiH are nearing the de-facto realization of this goal, given President Milorad Dodik, the Alliance of Independent Social Democrats, and their parliamentary allies successive efforts to withdraw the territory of Republika Srpska from the Judiciary, Tax Administration, and Military of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s central government. Unlike other independence movements, these efforts in the Balkans not only have a real chance of success, but are also likely to produce “explosive” consequences. I don’t know how you all missed the elephant in the room.
Real chances of success? Give me a break. I dont know if you are from the Balkans but if someone mentions the breakup of Bosnia its just for political points. RS has been announcing refrendums since 2008 and its a nothingburger.
@@LaughingMan0X Agree - so none. The key difference between RS and the other regions is that Bavaria, Corsica, Istra etc. were not built on genocide and ethnic cleansing. In my view as someone from Bosnia even the existance of RS is like keeping the 3rd Reich and all of their symbolism and administration after WW2.
Honestly the South Schleswig Separatist/autonomy movement (in North Germany) is, even though still unlikely, much more likely to gain independence than Bavaria
Germany will never allow Bavarian independence. Since this is where the nazis actually came from and after WW2 all the wealth was transferred from the North (especially Berlin) to the South, they will have to pay us for ever and longer 😂
There are also movements in "Friesland" (Frisia) in The Netherlands, "Bretagne" (Brittany) in France. But the one I mostly missed was "Corse" (Corsica) in France. They have been fighting for independence for quite some time. Lastly: I don't really think that Bavaria succession is realistic. What is more realistic: The region of Franken within Bavaria would like to not be part of Bavaria anymore.
I was really missing Corsica also! They just had huge riots before the french presidential election. The whole situation had a really interesting "another man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" thing going on!
The FNP (Frysk Nasjonale Partij) is not actually in favour of independence of Friesland, only in favour of more autonomy. As a Frisian I feel like there are very few people who are actually convinced that independence is a good thing.
There's also Åland, which is an autonomous region of Finland. The separatists Ålands Framtid (Future of Åland) was founded in 2001 and at most has held three seats in the 30-seat regional parliament.
They probably would have joined Sweden if given the opportunity around WW1 and maybe WW2, but now it seems like they have a really sweet deal with Finland. Total independence seems like it would be pointless.
@@Theorimlig when Finland gained independence, the people of Åland wanted to join Sweden which caused bit of a conflict between the two countries. The autonomy deal was basically a compromise to avoid a bigger conflict. The fact that the separatists have managed to only get three seats at most definitely suggests the people are generally happy
@@eerokivisto5103 one also have to see it in the context of the situation. It wasn't only that Finland gained it's independence, it was that there was a civil war between the white ( Germany supported) and red ( bolsjevik) supported. During the war when nobody really knew what the outcome would be, Sweden was really worried that Finland would become a ( politically)unfriendly bolsjevik state. The threat of having a potentially hostile country at such a strategic location as the Åland islands was terrifying, neither was the support for the red movement large in Åland. Sweden actually briefly invaded Åland, only to hand the occupation over to Germany. Nowadays Åland has a sweet deal and what country they belong to Is a non issue, but it's true that there is a small movement and I believe that the movement could increase if something drastically changed.
@@melonlord1414 i mean... There is a lot of irrational and frankly unfair Bavaria hate... It being the state that basically finances half the other state together with Baden Württemberg. The CSU is also not ad stupid as the CDU. Söder is spineless, but I'd take him over Fritze Mertz every day of the week.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 And there has to be a place where the traffic ministers come from who either ruin the German railwail or waste billions for a toll system only to get it declared illegal ...
You missed a couple. * There's a lot of seperatist sentiment in Northern Italy, either as independent provinces (like Venice becoming independent) or the concept of "Padania" * While you might not want to count Transnistria since they've already seperated, Gagauzia is another area of Moldova where secessionism might be popular * Corsica
Exactly. Most Germans who used to inhabit the region before WWII were expelled after Nazi Germany was defeated, so the people who live there now are predominantly of Polish ancestry and have a Polish identity. So why would TLDR list them in this video?
Commenting on the Belgium situation, one of the parties you mention in the video is called 'Vlaams Belang' and since 1989 there's been a cordon sanitaire established, meaning that no party is ''allowed'' to make a parliament with them, in other words they would need to have a majority themselves to rule. Secondly while N-VA used to have a really outspoken separatist stance it has severely diminished over the years. Flanders separating from Belgium is very unlikely to happen as it stands. Interesting video nonetheless!
As a fellow Belgian, I agree with this. Separation is very unlikely. Certainly, with all the crises we've had, this subject has been wiped off the table.
If VB gets decent share of the votes together with N-VA, the other parties will have to create a coalition consisting of every single party except for those two, which is likely to result in an even more divided government then it already is and will piss of more and more people since the 2 largest parties won’t be in government, again. So I wouldn’t say it’s unlikely really
There's also the simple matter that most ordinary flemishmen don't actually care *that* much. Because of the cordon sanitaire VB votes are two-fold: genuine separatists, but also protest votes(since nobody will ever work with them, voting for VB makes politicians' lives difficult). The separatist movement mostly exists in politics and not so much in the streets.
They also didn’t take into account that only a very small percentage of the people who vote for the vlemish nationalist parties believe in their separatist ideas. Secession is therefore very unlikely, and will probably never happen.
True. The main reason the NVA has gotten more votes over the years is because they toned down the separatist talks. There's still a faction within the party that really wants this. But the overall stance on separation has been severely muted in the past decade. It only really flares up on occasion (like the Flemish regional holiday, July 11, or when other regions in Europe try to go for independence). And honestly, I don't think VB was ever really part of the separatist angle. I always thought it was only NVA that really talked about an independent Flanders.
Including Istria (no real separatism here), but not Republika Srpska (BiH) with open and declared separatist goals by present leaders is an interesting choice :D
That seperatist movement cant sucseed politicaly because Dayton shuts it down, RS even had a referendum for independence like 1y ago but the data is no where to be found because it was held just so Dodik could gain more love to keep being in power. With military actions it isnt impossible but they would need a lot of support from Serbia and even seperatists movements from Croats in the south because on their own they dont stand a chance, iako si svjestan toga vec
@@dzenanbrkic9606 Lol Srpska never held a referendum for independence, it was referendum about having 9th january (day RS was founded) as a national holliday. Dude you dont know what the hell you are talking about 😂. Also if Serbia somehow gets militarly involved in Bosnia and NATO doesnt react, there wont be any Croat help needed belive me. Anyway i think and hope that military conflict is impossible.
Can't believe you didn't even mention Brittany, which has a very strong Celtic culture and own language and had a period of strong terrorist action with the Breton Liberation Front
The UDB(Union Democratique Breton),Parti Breton and Christian Troadec's party...they might have it very difficult to succeed on centralist France(with its electoral system) with debatable awareness among the population but of course they are there and deserve attention,there is also the subject of Breton unification with the Loire Atlantique that contains Nantes snitched away by Hollande's government given to the neighbouring Pays de Loyre to "boost their economy". Also guys my homeland's nationalist movement Galicia with the BNG(Bloque Nacionalista Galego) leading the political fight was also forgotten,which is strange cause it is a classic to Separatist political movements.
@@quiquemarquez3211 Yeah, France is extremely centralist, electoral triumph would be very difficult in this 5th Republic. I think it's extremely strange how they decided which to include. Bavaria and Bornholm might have less of an independence movement than fuckin Castile. Pretty much all Spanish autonomous communities except Murcia and La Rioja have an independence movement stronger than Silesia.
@@osz804 Concerning the Iberian case,I would argue from first hand experience that they are not on the same level,Galicia/Catalonia/Basque Country have been recognised since the return of the democracy after the death of the dictator Franco as "historical nationalities" within the system and were originally the only ones that were to be granted Autonomus status mainly due to on the times of the Spanish Second Republic being the only territories/peoples that had already a Statute of Autonomy or were on the way to have it approved. Spanish Socialist Party with President Felipe González at the head changed this policy in order to extend this to his home Andalucía breaking the original format and extending the Autonomus Community format to all territories historical,cultural or artificially created like La Rioja and kinda Murcia or even Cantabria. I am mentioning my homeland Galicia cause we have the electoral results to back it,a strong nationalism since the SXIX century with its own political theory redacted which doesn't have the great majority of other Spanish territories which pretty much lack the characteristics of the three original historical nationalities.Their nationalisms without any kind of real political impact and created from one day to another. If those territories(Asturias,Comunidad Valenciana etc) have a stronger nationalism than Silesia?I wouldn't say as no idea about Silesia's case but really no separatist parties have any kind of success there,I could mention some autonomist movements like Compromis or Foro Asturias but their own origins and murky/debatable with their members often coming from the Socialist Party or the People's Party(PP) so yeah take it how you will what are their true intentions. There is even a political party in O Bierzo/El Bierzo "Partido Berciano" an old disputed territory between Galicia and Castile(even speaking a variant to the Galician language) that also had their own Autonomus yet not Independent agenda,they had nearly no success as well so just a fast nitpick for all of those curious. But just rambling made my case pretty good I think. Thanks to those who read the whole thing,Greetings from Galiza!
6:30 - Big mistake here. Actually only arund 847,000 people claim Silesian idenety. About 8 million people live in three Silesian voivodeships (Lower Silesia, Opolskie, Upper Silesia) Only some people from Opolskie and Upper Silesia have Silesian culture and some of them are considered themselfs as Silesians. Most Silesians, however, do not want independence and consider themselves to be Silesian and Polish.
@@nickthurn6449 Sadly, there where. As my polish Grandparents from Eastern Galicia. I could not find a survey showing how many people from Germany currently consider themselves as Silesian. The latest I know is from the 70s. You can let me know if you find a more updated one. Nevertheless, I doubt that these people care about the autonomy of modern Silesia.
You mentioned Wales, Bornholm and Silesia but not Brittany, The Aaland Islands, Cornwall, Galicia, Northern/Southern Italy split, Bosnia, Corsica and a myriad of other separatist movements. Brittany and Corisca are pretty major omissions and this video makes it seem like the UK is the only one under any threat from Separatism, even you threatening that Wales will go if Scotland go. Well what happens if Catalonia leaves Spain? You think that will keep the Galicians onboard?
I disagree for Brittany. The independentist movement in Brittany is close to non existent despite a strong regional identity. Corsica on the other is actually a pretty big omission.
If you speak about the Belgian breakup, you forgot the third player involved: the german-speaking minority in southeastern belgium. They even had a kind of terrorist movement, if you count painting over the french names for the villages on the motorway exits. In russia, it would surely count as acts of terrorism. The independence movement is not so active at the moment because they gained a lot of autonomy as a side effect of the conflict between the other two regions. But earlier when they tried to suppress the german language the movement was more active. But should Belgium break apart, it could easily be in three parts instead of only two with the german-speaking part seeking unification with either Luxembourg or Germany.
Eupen und Malmedy zurück zu Deutschland, Flandern zu den Niederlanden und Wallonien zu Frankreich. Brüssel wird freie Stadt und behält ihre Funktion als Hauptstadt der EU. Oder die Benelux-Staaten einigen sich endlich mal und werden wieder ein Land. Eine solche Wegrationalisierung von Klein- und Kleinststaaten wird ohnehin nötig sein, wenn zumindest Westeuropa zu einem Land zusammen wachsen soll.
@@ogerpinata1703 stimmt so nicht ganz. Malmedy ist schon französischsprachig und wird bei Wallonien bleiben wollen. Ich habe auch keine Durchmischung gefunden, auf der französischen Seite der Sprachgrenze können Passanten kein Deutsch. Wobei aber Luxemburg zumindest für die südliche Hälfte der DSG die attraktivere Wahl wäre, historisch allemal als das Herzogtum Luxemburg noch groß war. Aber selbst wenn es immer wieder erwartet wird ist Belgien noch nicht auseinandergebrochen ....
@@ogerpinata1703 The only part of your "zurück" (back) statement that is historically correct is the Eupen & Malmedy, back to Germany part. The only part of Wallonia that was ever French is Hainaut (that was historically often linked to the 2 Flanders). The bishopric of Liège (Lüttich) was part of France only between 1801 and 1815. That is only 14 years during the Napoleonic area. Compared to the 800 years as part of the Holy Roman Empire (with the exception of a short, 9 years Burgundian period). Throughout history, the 2 Brabants (Brussels & Antwerp) were a little bit of everything: 100y of HRE (1190-1288), 150y of independency (1288-1430), 281y of Spanish rule (1430-1711), 84y Austrian (1711-1795), 20y French (1785-1815), 15y Dutch (1815-1830)... In short, what Brabant was for the longest period, historically speaking, is Spanish. On the Flemish Part, the 2 Flanders were for 700y French or Burgundian (850-1550), for 240y Spanish (1550-1795), 20y french again, then 15y Dutch So, if you want the parts of Belgium "back to some historical group", it should be more like: - Liège, Limburg and Luxembourg, back to Germany - Brabant and Antwerp, back to Spain - Two Flanders and Hainaut, back to France. - Namur... well, I don't know, the little research I did shows a very chaotic history that I couldn't put in a clear timeline.
I could tell you right now in russia it would not be an act of terrorism. Because in russia they would already have use of their regional language as is in the case of many oblasts and republics and even other European countries. Strange the german minority had to do that.
Come on, how could you mention Bornholm, Silesia, Bavaria or Sicily and not Galiza? It has a well established identity, autonomy, and and the second biggest party in the local assembly, the Galician Nationalist Bloc, is pro independence. Union with Portugal is also popular in some sectors. Also worth mentioning -Åland -Sápmi -Republika Srpska -Elsass/Alsace -Brittany -Occitania -Corsica etc You should do a Part II
Well, the BNG has recently reborn after some years of total obscurity, but still, the majority voted party is PP local branch, which is not pro independence at all.
I frequently go to Galicia since most of my family and some friends are from there and I have never seen, or heard any kind of real separatist intentions anywhere. (This could be due to the regions which I visit being exceptions to the movement, Pontevedra and A Coruña, so I can't really comment on the subject)
About French separatist movements, there's also Corsica, French Polynesia and New Caledonia. Corsica has some history of wanting independance, having even been troubled by terrorism in favour of independance. The French government has, in the past 30 years, made several concessions towards autonomy. And Corsican politics are dominated by pro-independance or autonomist movements. I don't know much about French Polynesia, but they also have a lot of concessions and autonomy. They have their own currency, government and laws. Same goes for New Caledonia, which has also been troubled by violent movements. A recent referendum on independance was lost by the Caledonians, but it was mostly because of ethnic French living there (a crushing majority of natives there want independance). The two latters are oversea but they're still kind of European. And I only covered the most well-known but I think all French overseas territories have an independance movement for themselves. I think Martinique and especially Guadeloupe are very pro-independance. And there's even Brittany (which, to be honest, is a very unlikely independance candidate - especially compared to all the other places I named). So I think this is a very important piece missing in that video.
I think he's only counting places IN Europe, not anywhere controlled by European countries, because probably most overseas territories have SOME kind of independence movement, in addition to foreign voices and the UN "decolonization" agenda always quietly suggesting it across the board. Corsica's probably a good point, though, as other comments have asserted.
He also doesn't appear to he mentioning anything that has never been in the EU, because he didn't mention Gagauzia or Chechnya. He also didn't mention Kosovo, Transnistria, Donetsk, Lugansk, Abkhazia South Ossetia, or Artsakh (except as "breakup of Yugoslavia" and "Russia's various conflicts with its ex-Soviet neighbors"), but those all have de facto independence combined with foreign occupation and influence, and the last three, especially the very last one, can only very dubiously be called "Europe".
Martinique and Guadeloupe are actually quite against it. The former rejected independence by 79% in a referendum held in 2010 French guyana rejected independence by 70% the same year. The latter rejected independence by 73% by a referendum helf in 2003 and New caledonia had 4 referendums in 25 years each voting against despite electoral rules being strongly against the ethnic french living there. In fact there's so much money in being French that territories like Mayotte voted to become part of France itself in 2009 rather than just be an overseas collectivity. There's a reason 50% of Mayotte's population is made up of illegal immigrants from the Comoros and they regularly vote for Marine Lepen/ the far right.
@Shanti Andía In France people know about the basques but they've calmed down recently theyve stopped armed terrorism in the 90s and now unlike in Spain, in the French basque country the numbers of Basque speakers are goign down as the population becomes more french. the catalans nobody I've ever heard of consdiers them a real seperstist movement.
CORRECTION: the number of Polish citizens who declared Silesian identity in 2011 census was 800 thousand, not 8 million. 8,5 million is roughly the entire population of Silesia, so it would be quite impossible for all of them to declare themselves a separate people and it flying under everyones radar. On a separate note, almost all of those calling themselves Silesians live in Silesian Voivodeship, which is the eastern part of Silesia. Western part, voivodeship of Lower Silesia, is mostly populated with Poles resettled from Lviv area after the end of the 2nd world war, so there is no strong sense of regional identity there.
what about Greenland? They also want to become independent from Denmark. A majority of Greenlanders support secession at the point which it would not lower their standards of living. Right now the current government is working on setting up the economy in a way that would make Greenland self-sustaining, as they ideologically want independence.
Probably because Greenland is considered to be part of North America, not Europe. Though I do think Greenlandic independence is one of the most likely from any European country.
I think you should have covered Corsica. Independentist and Autonomists entered an alliance making them win big at the legislative elections of 2017 but I'm expecting them to stay as MPs at the elections next week. Additionnally if you count former colonies that are still under European control, there's referendums in Tahiti going on but it's already a Territory and not a Department which means it's lowkey autonomous.
Ayy, finally someone talks about the Faroe Islands, nice! Really thankful for the shoutout, but "fara út vit einsamallur" is just a word-for-word translation that sounds like gibberish to us. The more accurate translation would be something like "Gev okkum frið!". I assume the writers used Microsoft Translator; their English-Faroese functionality was only launched very recently, so there are still a lot of glitches and kinks that need to be worked out. You got everything else right though!
Some people in Corsica wants more autonomy but not independence. They want to have the same status as French Polynesia (article 74 of the Constitution) which gives more autonomy to the overseas departments but no one wants independence. And even the minority who wants autonomy it's only a few minority. I go to Corisca every summer and I've never met in my life someone who wants autonomy (every July 14th they have a proud French parade in Ajaccio and fireworks everywhere to celebrate France :)
@@vivelafrance1800 Hush up French imperialist. Just a month ago people from all over Corsica were protesting for more autonomy and a small minority for indep.
@@rayian536 I said few wants autonomy (last protest there were 5000 people on a island with 350 000 people. Its only a minoirty they even voted a majority for Le Pen in Corsica and Le Pen is anti autonomy when Macron is in favour of autonomy. If they wanted autonomy they would have voted for Macron and not for le Pen with huge majority in Corsica
@@vivelafrance1800 In the 13th of March 7000 people showed up in Bastia (according to SkyTG24). Since in Corsica live 340.000 people, it's as if 1,4 MILLION people showed up during a protest in Paris. I will now report he parties in the Corsican Assembly, with their respective ideology (according to Wikipedia): - "Femu a Corsica" (32/63 seats): autonomist, corsican nationalist, centrist; - "Les Républicains" and CCB (17/63): unionist, conservative, centre-right; - "Partitu di a Nazione Corsa" (7/63): autonomist, corsican nationalist, centre-left; - "Corsica Libera" (1/63): independentist, corsican nationalist, leftist; - "Core in Fronte" (6/63): independentist, corsican nationalist, far-left; So, you have a majority of 46/63 for the Corsican Nationalists.
Another minor addition to the UK succession list - Cornwall. Its much less likely to happen, but there has been a significant minority of Cornish separatists for quite some time. They are on the south western 'leg' of England - and a lot of Cornish people will only grudgingly access being 'English' as they have their own cultural identity and customs that are closer to the Celtic culture of Wales, Scotland and Ireland (and even their own language that's nearly extinct due to... you know... the English forcing the matter, as they tend to do). Only reason why succession is unlikely is Cornwall's economy is very small and its population very rural, relying mostly on tourism and fishing, and the UK (aka, English) government isn't willing to pay any attention to them. Not that its stopping the Faroe Islanders.
@J B that seems to be a theme that the British government pushes, but it’s not the reality. The U.K. is not a super power, and nobody is trying to weaken it by promoting independence of any country or region. Isle of Wight is English, Cornwall is Celtic. Case for Indy, yes for Cornwall, if that’s what it’s people want.
Sorry what? Cornish lad here, where tf you getting your info on Cornwall? We're West Country Brits/English, with a Celtic heritage still living on through our heavy regional accents, but Independence? Who tf you been talking too.
@@hakdirt6458 Most Cornish people I've met want independence from England not the UK. We got granted the national minority status in 2014 giving us the same national recognition as the Scottish, Welsh and Irish - we are forgotten by Westminster and would be better off running our own affairs
Ideas for a Part 2 - Corsica, Venice, the Serb Republic, etc... Maybe do more videos like this for other continents - North and South America, Africa, Asia, etc...
This video has some spectacularly sloppy writing, as noted even by the author in the pinned comment. It might be best to disregard it entirely, the writer might have had a bad day. A Monday product so to say.
Super interesting topic but the video had numerous errors and weird choices in regards to which movements were included. This is most certainly not a definitive list and some of the ones included are not worth mentioning, such as the one on Bornholm.
6:33 - That's incorrect, according to the 2011 census about 809 000 people declared Silesian identity, 418 000 declared it on the first place, above Polish.
Worth mentioning (yet another) "United" Kingdom one here - Cornwall. The main Cornish nationalist party, Mebyon Kernow, tends toward autonomy rather than full independence. Support for autonomy generally runs fairly high, but very low for full independence. MK has been around since the 50s, and generally holds 4-6 seats on Cornwall council at any one time. They usually only contest one or two WM seats and usually poll really badly, but do consistently better in council votes, especially in poorer towns like Camborne, Pool and Redruth where few people from England live. I'd say not likely, but as a long running and fairly consistent force in a region with a *very* strong regional identity I think they deserve a mention.
do we have any data for the claim that support for autonomy runs high? I've never met a Cornish person that actually wants autonomy, and never met one that doesn't identify as English as well
@@benbezuidenhout626 That's not true. Everyone around here is very anti-London. Whilst there's probably not support for independence, there is significant support for separating off the North within the UK (or expelling London from England). This is especially true in Yorkshire and the North-East.
Although the Bavarians emphasize that they are first Bavarians and then Germans, a split is unlikely. Bavaria almost provided the German Chancellor this time, but the prospects in the elections were rather poor, the Bavarian Prime Minister left the place of the loser to someone else from North Rhine-Westphalia. Bavaria has often raised its finger and received special requests, which would not be possible as a separate state.
@@philipkoene5345 Yeah, it even being mentioned in this video is weird. It's not just "unlikely" it's extremely unlikely. Whenever it is mentioned, it's meant as a joke. The good old Bavaria and Prussia rivalry.
You forgot Isle of Man… it’s basically independent anyway but there is strong support for even further independence, especially at national political level 🇮🇲
Majority of People I know think Isle of Man & Gibraltar are independent just like Ireland is & they have a agreement with U.K. for military support if they get attacked. As a Welsh person for Independence I also support Independence for Scotland & United Ireland. You did forget Greenland tho.
Strange that Birnholm was mentioned but not Greenland... Other notable exclusions include Transnistria, Circassia, Turkish Kurdistan, Corsica and some others
Greenland is in North America, not Europe. If he had to include overseas regions outside of Europe he basically had include almost all island owned by European countries
Well they did say IN Europe which Greenland isn't. If they did Greenland then there should probably also be some more French and British independence movements.
Greenland is in North America, Transnistria is basically already a country, Circassia is difficult to monitor as it's in Russia, Kurdistan is in Asia... but yes Corsica could have been mentioned!
The problem is that the seperatist parties have 50% of the votes but only 20-25% wants an independent Flanders. A lot of people vote for these parties because of the migration problem. The migration problem has to be taken serious if we want to keep our country together. The separtist also have already too much influence with their 25%. Their is already enough power transfered to the regions.
Of the two you mentioned from Denmark, I'm surprised you didn't mention Freetown Christiania or Greenland. Regardless, pretty good TLDR of some of the seperatist movements around Europe.
@@M.M.83-U True. But If all EU overseas territories were included, the video would be too long. New Caledonia, French Guiana, la Réunion and dozens of others have some separatism
7:28 Romania: The Székelys don’t ask for independence, the vast majority of them just want autonomy. There are predominantly Hungarians in the region, 600K of them, who historically lived there. It's outstanding that they still don't have autonomy. It's also true that they have plenty of rights, almost same as having an explicit autonomy - they just don't have it officially recognized.
Veil of ignorance lifted for me. I never knew there were so many Separatist in Europe. This was a great video for me! P.S. Is there going to be a video on the vote of no confidence on PM Boris J?
Boris Miletić said back in 2016 that he wants less of a centralised country where the profits mostly go to each županija but no one every said or mentioned anything about leaving Croatia and forming a new country. You just exaggerated the situation way to much tldr. I'm really curious where you even got that information. Can you send me your sources?
Seeing as some other groups with low desire for separation are also on this list, I would think you would talk about the Friesland province in the Netherlands too. It's kinda like our version of Wales
Serb Republic in Bosnia is possibly the most significant one you could have missed given the tragic death toll of the war in the 90s and NATO involvement.
First of all, the Székelys in Romania want autonomy, not independence. Second, Viktor Orbán is Prime Minister, not President. Would be lovely if you would actually get your facts right.
This title is misleading. It shouldn't be every separatist region in Europe, but only in the EU. You missed a number of major ones that are going on in non-EU member states. It's weird that you still treat terms "Europe" and "EU" as sinonimes even though you live in European but non-EU county.
It's one of those intentional mistakes, at least where I live in eastern Europe. If not pro-Europe ( pro-EU) then you must be pro-Russia or an isolationist. Somehow neutrality never seems to occur to them or that we could engage in trade with the EU without being part of it.
The UK is not in the EU, so it's technically right to say Europe, though they do seem to be more focused on Western Europe rather than those in the east.
I worked in a company in Paris that had no less than 10 Faroese wirking for them ( out of about 100 people) we used to joke we had 5% of the population. Good people I enjoyed their company.
6:14 I think you mean Flanders. And when differentiating the 2 regions we prefer that you use the correct flanders/wallonia flag and not the dutch and french one... proud Belgian here btw.
I think they assume either region would get absorbed by the Netherlands and France respectively. Making the flanders and wallonia flags irrelevant. Kind of a good example of how there isn't even a plan for how this would all happen. Its nothing but empty loud populism for easy votes.
you forgot about the Frisian seperatist movement. Over here in the netherlands a grassroots movement has started to get the province of Friesland their independence. Although this movement has not originated in Friesland, it has garnered wide support throughout the other 11 provinces.
I agree. I could tell from the title that the comments were going to be brutal. To cover so many locations, many of which I was sure they weren't familiar with, would be difficult. Anywho, appreciate the content though.
Can't believe you missed Republika Srpska and Herzeg-Bosnia in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Vojvodina in Serbia. They're some of the strongest independence movements in Europe, especially the Bosnian ones.
True, I can confirm, I'm from Bosnia. The thing is, though, those are blocked by the peace treaty, so they cannot legally secede. Doing so would outright start a new war.
@@emp96ElminD yeah, but so can't Istria legally leave Croatia and they still covered it. Even though it's barely an independence movement compared to these...
@@iellachich1894 they did cover Istria, because there is no legal mechanism for independence inside the Croatian constitution. RS and HB are both constitutionally impossible. Legally speaking Istria is light years closer to independence.
@@iellachich1894 nah, I hang out with Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs that are my age. We would all sooner leave then fight again. Fuck war and fuck the politicians who start them. I was speaking from a legal perspective nothing more. :D
Everyone can have a case for independence (down to a mere neighborhood in a city if you wish) but not everyone is capable to face bullies like Putin, a reality many Europeans are now being reminded. Everyone is sold the goodies (and there are plenty of administrative advantages on being independent if, and only if, well managed) but not everyone is reminded of the disadvantages. “I want to be free (and usually rich)” and “I want to be helped and saved” are two cries that can be heard simultaneously. Lastly is worth mentioning that most independence movements don’t end in the very fact of independence alone: they are paired with ideological-political conceptions and some (some) of them are quite nefarious (a cue given by those who resorted to commit acts of terrorism and killing political opponents while also terrorizing those who didn’t support them with money, locally).
You are amusing 💩 on one hand you say you are liberal and support freedom of choice but on the other hand don't support the same. Are you friends with hunter Biden? Secondly for every short coming of the west they blame Putin guys like you remind me the importance of education 🙄
Good points, but a lot of those continent-level functions are filled by the EU, raising the question why have an intermediate level of government between cohesive regions (like some of those mentioned) and the EU. All that intermediate layer of government seems to do is bicker, and slow agreement on, say, Ukraine, and such crises, and other areas of what should be common interest.
One thing that the USA, UK and Russians have in common, they are ruled by political elites, and hidden establishments that control the media, and control who takes the power, and they can topple the leaders at any moment. And these are the war mongers, not the Norwegians, Scots, Irish, Finns etc etc So by your mentality we will be left with 2 empires, America (with England as its overseas state) and Russia, nobody allowed to talk any language but English and Russian? The EU encourages European languages. The British establishment has attempted to destroy the Celtic languages of its neighbours. and they call that a 'Union' No, I 'm sticking with the EU, Scandinavian and Irish model, not the Anglo Saxon England /America & Russian one, which is all about hierarchy and pecking orders, empires and wars
Kudos for the list but it was a bit of a weird one. When it comes to Bosnia and Herzegovina, it's a freaking mess that is barely holding together yet you mention Istria in neighbouring Croatia? That one is more comparable to Vojvodina in (neighbouring) Serbia, being interested in more autonomy inside the state rather than aiming to separate.
There's a few other ones that he missed. Mostly in Russia. There's also technically a tiny Sami separatist movement although they have very little actual support among the Sami people as most of them just want more autonomy within Norway, Sweden and Finland.
You also forgot that we sicilians made our own Group during WWII named "EVIS" (Esercito Volontario per l'Indipendenza della Sicilia) and we fought battles for indipendence and the sicilian kingdom is the oldest living kingdom in europe and we were also the richest kingdom
It seems strange that Corsican, Breton and Basque independence movements are not mentioned. Perhaps successful state suppression of independence movements were part of TLDR's selection procedure?
@@eldel6398 Not in connection with France it wasn't. Neither were the Corsicans or Basques. It is as if TLDR think France is a monolthic whole. Surely an oversight?
@@Game_Herothere are less and less szekels and hungarians in romania, "szekelyland" was made up by 3 romanian counties Mures Covasna and Harghita, Mureș was like 60% hungarian now it is only 30%, Covasna and Harghita ≈90% now they are at 80% and still going down from 1.200.000 hungarians in 2011 now there are ≈900k-1.000.000
Basque separatist here! I am thrilled to see that, just for once, someone talks more about the Basque National Party than about the ETA. Great video! : )
Galician nationalist/separatist here! Nowadays they could talk about Bildu too as it has lots of support and is what the second political force on the Basque country?Even reached Navarra's parliament as well.For the first time on forever there is a second option for Basque nationalism with its own labor union and all.
South Tyrol German speaker here, we already have near full autonomy from Rome, all the taxes stay here, most services are local managed, only our law can't go against national law, we have small independence movements, but not big enough for a rally
as a dutch guy living in belgium i can tell you its a pretty messy affair. The belgians seem to want to split but not join their respective neighbors. I honestly just hope to see the benelux get unified one day. i know its far away and i know theres a lot of different cultures at play here i think in the modern day we could unify without screwing one and another over like the netherlands did with the belgians after the 80 year war. ceceded the benelux from the Habsburg spanish empire that inherited the title of Burgundy (80% or so of the benelux). afterwards we had a kingdom that was ruled by a protestant king whilst anything south from the dutch borders were mostly catholic. Honestly nowadays there's not as much hate between the catholics and the protestants and don't really play a big role in our politics anymore.
As a EU federalist nationalist (from Italy) I want too to see Benelux, I want mascrostates (like Benelux) being a thing with way less power than nowadays countries, in favor of a lot of power to regions inside (like Wallonia, Flanders, Holland) and to the Union outside as the European Federation. Or like Iberia but instead of power to Portugal and Spain, the power into Catalunia, Andalusia, Basque etc and all the foreign, monetary, army policies etc in Europe. What a paradise that would be.
"Seem to want" is doing alot of work here. Probably about 1 in 4, of which half don't even fully grasp the implications. It is presented as a simple handshake and see ya later lmao.
Belgium is as complicated and divided as it is because theres a divide between 2 different cultures. Hoping another 3 or more cultures join in isn't really realistic
@@B4byl0ni4 Italy Is worst, way more than two, same other countries, more we divide, more weak we are, the entire Italian hymn Is about that, so people should Just stop acting like children
The region you depicted as the Basque Country is only just three out of the seven Basque provinces. While the autonomous Basque region in Spain is indeed only those select three, the entirety of the Basque Country also includes the province Nafarroa within the Spanish border, as well as the three provinces Lapurdi, Zuberoa and Nafarroa Beherea within the French border
@@Maria-ln3xc Eso no es del todo cierto. El independentismo/nacionalismo vasco tiene su presencia en todos los territorios mencionados, con representantes de Geroa Bai y EH Bildu en Navarra y recientemente en Francia también, con un escaño de EH Bai en la Asamblea Nacional como parte del Nuevo Frente Popular. Y en su acepción en el idioma original "país vasco" (en el cual se tiene en cuenta a los vascohablantes) engloba como mínimo la parte norte de Navarra y la zona francesa.
Seems to me that most of these places don't actually want independence, they want autonomy. And who could blame them [insert capital here] are often culturally different from these regions which are, again, often near the edges of the nation's territory. But actually going independent and getting recognized by the international community as well as setting up legal frameworks and agreements/alliances once they are flying solo is a lot of work. While simply having more control over things that matter more on a local level actually staying at the local level rather than being centralized is much easier to accomplish...
7:18 is an important point. According to international law - unless we're talking about a union of autonomous countries like Yugoslavia or the Soviets - it is illegal for a separatist group to unilaterally declare independence from its parent state. This is the reason why the Russian declarations of independence in Crimea and Donbass are illegal. There is a good reason for this: If separatist movements were actually given legal permission to secede by international law, the whole world would quickly be embroiled in civil war.
You should seriously consider a part 2. Here are some suggestions. -Republika Srpska (Bosnia & Herzegovina.) -Greenland (Denmark) -Corsica & Brittany (France) -Northern Cyprus (Cyprus, duh) -Åland (Finland) -South Ossetia & Abkhazia (Georgia) -Transnistria (Moldova) -Vojvodina (Serbia)
The party for independence of Bornholm received approximately 160 votes in 2013 and didn't even participate in the last two local elections, so I would really like your source that a "slight majority want independence".
Regarding Belgium: you didn’t take into consideration that only a very small percentage of the people who vote for the vlemish nationalist parties believe in their separatist ideas. Therefore secession is unlikely to happen.
Mate how could you include Wales nationalism and mention all other prominent movements on the Iberian Peninsula but forgot the third biggest one there on Galicia,Galician Nationalism lead by the BNG(Bloque Nacionalista Galego). As a voter and a scholar about the subject I must say that was disappointing. They have been there since forever with far more successful electoral results than half of the movements listed. Also even if it is nearly dead cause France is the centralised country that it is,make some mentions too to the several political movements advocating for independence and cultural survival for minority ethnic groups there,like the UDB of the Parti Breton on Brittany without much success or the ever strong Corsican nationalism. Leaving behind Sardinia,Veneto,Greenland(alright they are not a political part of the UE but within Denmark and geographical Europe) even Alsace. The video lacked research on that we all can agree.
I had a very good online friend who was a separatist who wants his people to be independent. Not call all separatists bad. I’m myself supporting Palestine 🇵🇸 independence but that’s nationalism not regionalism
CORRECTIONS:
(1) At 5:15 we say 'only a slight majority [in Bornholm] want independence', when we meant minority
(2) At 6:30 was say that 'more than 8 million people claimed Silesian identity in the 2011 Polish census', when we meant 800,000
Both of these were typos on the writer's part (Zac/me, the guy writing this comment), so apologies for that; we'll try our best to improve in the future
You forget about Corsica independence movement
At least Ur publishing a correction rather than shifting the blame to "bad info" or "fake rumours"
also, half a century not half a decade for the Basque Country
Also, Orban isn't a president, he's a Prime Minister.
9:58 you used Catalonia's flag to talk about an independence referendum in Basque Country (although the same thing happened in Catalonia around the same time, so I understand the source of the confusion). Besides, you said ETA fought a guerrilla war with Spain for "half a decade", when I think you meant "half a century".
How could you miss Corsica, who actually became the first European modern democracy during its short lived independence, and which is still to this day so riddled with a violent independentist movement that it has the highest murder rate per capita in Europe (source : BBC news). 3 out of our 4 representatives at the national legislative chamber of France are from the independentist party. We have our own assembly, a separate tax status from the rest of France, and even Macron is now adopting a politic in favor of more autonomy in order to quench Corsican’s thirst for independence. I love you guys, but that’s a pretty big miss.
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Genoa: we’re about lose this island
Also Genoa: *hey France*
@@level_breaded5364 we're based what can we do BeLIN
Surprised as well - i am Dutch and did not know about half of these movements. But I did miss Corsica. And Cyprus.
@Joshua Walker Such a mature response... not.
Every time I see a video about some independence movement or other I desperately hope that the childish/ignorant or just plain stupid comments won't be there, and that an adult discussion can be held. And, of course, I am always disappointed.
Your pathetic attempt at humour apparently amuses you, but you are literally the only one.
You forgot Corsica. There is an independantist party in the island, even though they are far to be the majority. There was also some sort different liberations armies which used to be in competition, and perhaps related with mafias. But the attempt on Yvan Colonna' life (The murderer of prefet Erignac) in prison turned into violent reactions in the island.
And brittany...
I think they missed french sep mouvements altogether.
The Corsican independence movement is considerable, I surprised they forgot about this one.
@@Soenglish44 Brittany is not really trying to leave.
@@huquui8789 well according to them bornholm isn't either sooo...
In the Corsican assembly the two main parties are autonomists (32 seats) and bonapartists (17 seats), the autonomists are not really rooting for independance, the Bonapartists are French patriots, but as well attached to their local culture.
I think TLDR have fallen victim to Danish humor. Faroe islands definitely have a real independence movement - and they will definitely achieve it in our lifetime. But a lot of Danish islands and region in Denmark "proper" have joke independence movements. Vendsyssel (the northern part of the Jutland peninsula) had a big joke independence party back in the 90's. The funny part is, that you actually missed the biggest real separatist movement in all of Danish territory: Greenland, which is a very active and extremely interesting situation, that deserves an episode of its own
"and they will definitely achieve it in our lifetime"
doubtful.
Greenland is(geographically at least) in North America, not Europe, that's why they didn't talk about it
Greenland isn’t in Europe
Faroe islander here: Definitely maybe, in like 50 years hvfdr
Greenland is in North America tho
You entirely forgot Corsica and Sardinia. Both regions have had a serious independence movement for decades.
While the situation in Sardinia appears to be comparatively calm - with many Sardinians being proud of their region but also of their "Italianness" - situation in Corsica is more unstable.
Sicilian indipendence has never been a thing, at least not in the last few decades.
Sicily has no viable economy and no competent administrators, it wouldn't survive without money from Rome. Sicilians know that all too well.
An independence movement that is fairly in fashion is for the former Borbonic kingdom (the South of Italy, to make it simple) to be reinstated. Many people say that the kingdom was economically viable and that it became poor because of the centralised government in Rome robbing them of money and resources.
'Sicily has no viable economy and no competent administrators, it wouldn't survive without money from Rome. Sicilians know that all too well. '
Sounds like Corsica to me
In the end no Italian, South or North, really wants to separate itself
Sicily would fairly survive. In fact, Sicily gives to the central government almost the same money as the funds it recives as being a Region. Also, Sicilian separatism was always a thing(and it was among the strongest in Italy), but it has shrinked since some decades.
Sardinia doesn't have a serious separatist movement for decades.
@@esti-od1mz How? Sicily actually takes more money than it gives.
And Sicilian separatism wan't really a thing
I can't wrap my mind about excluding nearly all of the Balkans (Bosnia, Kosovo) and even Transnistria, but mentioning Bavaria, which isn't even a thing.
Over-compensation for burying "sensitive" movements states probably don't want mentioning.
Kosovo and transmistria can’t really be considered since they’re already de facto independent, but Sprska could be on here ig
As someone else said Transnistria and Kosovo are already independent in reality and I would add Kosovo is actually recognised by a ton of countries as well. Also they said the movements they know of so maybe they don’t know of the Bosnian ones. Also your telling me no one on Bavaria has ever wanted independence?
This. Bavarian independence is not even a joke anymore, it's an absolutely irrelevant topic.
The video was dedicated to cover EU states.
Uh, no Republika Srpska?
Things are getting quite heated here in the Balkans over this issue.
He could probably make a separate video just for the balkans tbh
@@kieranwalsh2058 ...or 2, or 10 Balkan is complicated to put it mildly.
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Oh yea Bosnia... How could someone forget Bosnia?
not part of the EU. Cyprus would probably have been a good addition though
A couple of comments about the Danish separatists. The Danish government and public are not against Faroese independence, but the loss of Danish government fund would devastate the Faroese economy. There is an idea that the Faroes should have an economy that can survive independence, before it is declared. Also, Bornholm independence movements only exits on online lists of independence movements. To say that a majority of Bornholmers wants independence is plainly wrong. There is a Bornholm independence party, but they could not even gain a single seat in the local government. I would not even call Bornholm independence a joke, because not enough people would get it.
Edit: I think the reason that he said majority must have been a script mistakes, because he says it later, when he clearly ment a minority. But i would not expect such clear mistakes to become published.
Interesting info there. So in general the Danes seem more concerned with sorting Faroese economy first to make sure they're ready for independence? Quite strange, usually you'd see countries hold onto separatist areas for dear life.
It doesn't matter. If the people who live there disagree, they should be allowed to go their own way.
That might be true there but Denmark keeps Greenland because its mining industry is located there.
They also forgot Christiania.
@@chadgaston8615 They could leave via referendum if they wanted as well.
You missed Sardinia. The Sardinian Action Party, Partito Sardo d'Azione, or PSdA, has the largest number of members in Sardinia's regional council. Sardinian nationalist parties in general gained nearly a third of the vote in 2019
Psd’az is not an indipendentist party though
Also Corsica was missed :/
@@FrancescoLeddamagneto Still, we have a lot of independentist parties. A poll also showed that a majority of Sardinians identify themselves as either only Sardinians of more Sardinian than Italian.
They also didn't mention Corsica, where last months there were several riots
@@matteopani9291 yes of course, I am an indipendentist my self. I was pointing out that psd’az is merely autonomist
@@FrancescoLeddamagneto Everywhere I look they are described as separatist. At least everywhere I can find in a language I understand. I don't speak Italian, or Sardinian, so I can't read their official site
Feel like if you're gonna use a map with Serbia owning Kosovo it's pretty ironic not to include them as a separatist movement.
Didn't count partially recognized states. See: Transnistria.
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Most Serbs in Republika Srpska and Croats in Herzegovina both want outright session from Bosnia and Herzegovina, and, to either join Serbia (or Croatia) respectively, or to become completely independent states.
Serbs in BiH are nearing the de-facto realization of this goal, given President Milorad Dodik, the Alliance of Independent Social Democrats, and their parliamentary allies successive efforts to withdraw the territory of Republika Srpska from the Judiciary, Tax Administration, and Military of Bosnia and Herzegovina’s central government.
Unlike other independence movements, these efforts in the Balkans not only have a real chance of success, but are also likely to produce “explosive” consequences. I don’t know how you all missed the elephant in the room.
Did Republika Srpska end up leaving the military or is that still being planned
They gave up on that, it’s was just a stand-off and political show as always
Real chances of success? Give me a break. I dont know if you are from the Balkans but if someone mentions the breakup of Bosnia its just for political points. RS has been announcing refrendums since 2008 and its a nothingburger.
@@j.m.5642 they have as realistic a chance of secession as nearly every other region on this list.
@@LaughingMan0X Agree - so none. The key difference between RS and the other regions is that Bavaria, Corsica, Istra etc. were not built on genocide and ethnic cleansing. In my view as someone from Bosnia even the existance of RS is like keeping the 3rd Reich and all of their symbolism and administration after WW2.
Honestly the South Schleswig Separatist/autonomy movement (in North Germany) is, even though still unlikely, much more likely to gain independence than Bavaria
Bavaria is never gonna get independent - it's a ridiculous claim
Didn't hear anything about it
Germany will never allow Bavarian independence. Since this is where the nazis actually came from and after WW2 all the wealth was transferred from the North (especially Berlin) to the South, they will have to pay us for ever and longer 😂
Never heard of it as someone living in Germany...
@@JustFun-wl3jf about what?
There are also movements in "Friesland" (Frisia) in The Netherlands, "Bretagne" (Brittany) in France.
But the one I mostly missed was "Corse" (Corsica) in France. They have been fighting for independence for quite some time.
Lastly: I don't really think that Bavaria succession is realistic. What is more realistic: The region of Franken within Bavaria would like to not be part of Bavaria anymore.
I was really missing Corsica also! They just had huge riots before the french presidential election. The whole situation had a really interesting "another man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" thing going on!
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Could you elaborate on why the region of Franken would leave Bavaria?
The FNP (Frysk Nasjonale Partij) is not actually in favour of independence of Friesland, only in favour of more autonomy. As a Frisian I feel like there are very few people who are actually convinced that independence is a good thing.
Franken (German) = Franconia (English)
There's also Åland, which is an autonomous region of Finland. The separatists Ålands Framtid (Future of Åland) was founded in 2001 and at most has held three seats in the 30-seat regional parliament.
This is the best joke ever. Since when did Ahvenanmaa want to get out of Finland
They probably would have joined Sweden if given the opportunity around WW1 and maybe WW2, but now it seems like they have a really sweet deal with Finland. Total independence seems like it would be pointless.
@@Theorimlig when Finland gained independence, the people of Åland wanted to join Sweden which caused bit of a conflict between the two countries. The autonomy deal was basically a compromise to avoid a bigger conflict. The fact that the separatists have managed to only get three seats at most definitely suggests the people are generally happy
@@eerokivisto5103 one also have to see it in the context of the situation.
It wasn't only that Finland gained it's independence, it was that there was a civil war between the white ( Germany supported) and red ( bolsjevik) supported.
During the war when nobody really knew what the outcome would be, Sweden was really worried that Finland would become a ( politically)unfriendly bolsjevik state.
The threat of having a potentially hostile country at such a strategic location as the Åland islands was terrifying, neither was the support for the red movement large in Åland.
Sweden actually briefly invaded Åland, only to hand the occupation over to Germany.
Nowadays Åland has a sweet deal and what country they belong to Is a non issue, but it's true that there is a small movement and I believe that the movement could increase if something drastically changed.
It’s never gonna happen lol, no one actually wants independence.
Putting Bavaria here is a bit odd, as no major party wants secession, it's a tiny splinter movement that's mostly voted as a means of protest
Support for bavarian secession is probably higher outside of bavaria than in bavaria. Many people would love to get rid of the CSU
@@melonlord1414 i mean... There is a lot of irrational and frankly unfair Bavaria hate... It being the state that basically finances half the other state together with Baden Württemberg. The CSU is also not ad stupid as the CDU. Söder is spineless, but I'd take him over Fritze Mertz every day of the week.
@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 And there has to be a place where the traffic ministers come from who either ruin the German railwail or waste billions for a toll system only to get it declared illegal ...
@@stephanbrunker dont you mean chief lobbyist for the automobile industry
You missed a couple.
* There's a lot of seperatist sentiment in Northern Italy, either as independent provinces (like Venice becoming independent) or the concept of "Padania"
* While you might not want to count Transnistria since they've already seperated, Gagauzia is another area of Moldova where secessionism might be popular
* Corsica
Silesia, believe it or not, does not want to break away from Poland.
@UCbxoIy3QnLDHxzdZEC2qwtQ The separatism in Upper Silesia is like 0,5%. It‘s just non-existent
Exactly. Most Germans who used to inhabit the region before WWII were expelled after Nazi Germany was defeated, so the people who live there now are predominantly of Polish ancestry and have a Polish identity. So why would TLDR list them in this video?
@@Nkej1919 the numbers in favor of independence?
@@Nkej1919 why do you want independence from Poland? Is your goal to rejoin Germany or to become an autonomous country?
It is autonomy movement, not separatist.
He got everything wrong about it including flag
Commenting on the Belgium situation, one of the parties you mention in the video is called 'Vlaams Belang' and since 1989 there's been a cordon sanitaire established, meaning that no party is ''allowed'' to make a parliament with them, in other words they would need to have a majority themselves to rule. Secondly while N-VA used to have a really outspoken separatist stance it has severely diminished over the years. Flanders separating from Belgium is very unlikely to happen as it stands. Interesting video nonetheless!
As a fellow Belgian, I agree with this. Separation is very unlikely. Certainly, with all the crises we've had, this subject has been wiped off the table.
If VB gets decent share of the votes together with N-VA, the other parties will have to create a coalition consisting of every single party except for those two, which is likely to result in an even more divided government then it already is and will piss of more and more people since the 2 largest parties won’t be in government, again. So I wouldn’t say it’s unlikely really
There's also the simple matter that most ordinary flemishmen don't actually care *that* much. Because of the cordon sanitaire VB votes are two-fold: genuine separatists, but also protest votes(since nobody will ever work with them, voting for VB makes politicians' lives difficult). The separatist movement mostly exists in politics and not so much in the streets.
They also didn’t take into account that only a very small percentage of the people who vote for the vlemish nationalist parties believe in their separatist ideas. Secession is therefore very unlikely, and will probably never happen.
True. The main reason the NVA has gotten more votes over the years is because they toned down the separatist talks. There's still a faction within the party that really wants this. But the overall stance on separation has been severely muted in the past decade. It only really flares up on occasion (like the Flemish regional holiday, July 11, or when other regions in Europe try to go for independence).
And honestly, I don't think VB was ever really part of the separatist angle. I always thought it was only NVA that really talked about an independent Flanders.
Including Istria (no real separatism here), but not Republika Srpska (BiH) with open and declared separatist goals by present leaders is an interesting choice :D
Jedva si docekao da spomenes Sumsku jelde?
That seperatist movement cant sucseed politicaly because Dayton shuts it down, RS even had a referendum for independence like 1y ago but the data is no where to be found because it was held just so Dodik could gain more love to keep being in power. With military actions it isnt impossible but they would need a lot of support from Serbia and even seperatists movements from Croats in the south because on their own they dont stand a chance, iako si svjestan toga vec
@@dzenanbrkic9606 Lol Srpska never held a referendum for independence, it was referendum about having 9th january (day RS was founded) as a national holliday. Dude you dont know what the hell you are talking about 😂.
Also if Serbia somehow gets militarly involved in Bosnia and NATO doesnt react, there wont be any Croat help needed belive me. Anyway i think and hope that military conflict is impossible.
@@biglebowsky6586 that referendum took place in 2016, im talking about 1-2 ys ago😂
@@dzenanbrkic9606 Yes you are even more wrong, there wasnt any referendum 1-2 years ago hahahah.
Can't believe you didn't even mention Brittany, which has a very strong Celtic culture and own language and had a period of strong terrorist action with the Breton Liberation Front
The UDB(Union Democratique Breton),Parti Breton and Christian Troadec's party...they might have it very difficult to succeed on centralist France(with its electoral system) with debatable awareness among the population but of course they are there and deserve attention,there is also the subject of Breton unification with the Loire Atlantique that contains Nantes snitched away by Hollande's government given to the neighbouring Pays de Loyre to "boost their economy".
Also guys my homeland's nationalist movement Galicia with the BNG(Bloque Nacionalista Galego) leading the political fight was also forgotten,which is strange cause it is a classic to Separatist political movements.
@@quiquemarquez3211 Yeah, France is extremely centralist, electoral triumph would be very difficult in this 5th Republic. I think it's extremely strange how they decided which to include. Bavaria and Bornholm might have less of an independence movement than fuckin Castile. Pretty much all Spanish autonomous communities except Murcia and La Rioja have an independence movement stronger than Silesia.
@@osz804
Concerning the Iberian case,I would argue from first hand experience that they are not on the same level,Galicia/Catalonia/Basque Country have been recognised since the return of the democracy after the death of the dictator Franco as "historical nationalities" within the system and were originally the only ones that were to be granted Autonomus status mainly due to on the times of the Spanish Second Republic being the only territories/peoples that had already a Statute of Autonomy or were on the way to have it approved.
Spanish Socialist Party with President Felipe González at the head changed this policy in order to extend this to his home Andalucía breaking the original format and extending the Autonomus Community format to all territories historical,cultural or artificially created like La Rioja and kinda Murcia or even Cantabria.
I am mentioning my homeland Galicia cause we have the electoral results to back it,a strong nationalism since the SXIX century with its own political theory redacted which doesn't have the great majority of other Spanish territories which pretty much lack the characteristics of the three original historical nationalities.Their nationalisms without any kind of real political impact and created from one day to another.
If those territories(Asturias,Comunidad Valenciana etc) have a stronger nationalism than Silesia?I wouldn't say as no idea about Silesia's case but really no separatist parties have any kind of success there,I could mention some autonomist movements like Compromis or Foro Asturias but their own origins and murky/debatable with their members often coming from the Socialist Party or the People's Party(PP) so yeah take it how you will what are their true intentions.
There is even a political party in O Bierzo/El Bierzo "Partido Berciano" an old disputed territory between Galicia and Castile(even speaking a variant to the Galician language) that also had their own Autonomus yet not Independent agenda,they had nearly no success as well so just a fast nitpick for all of those curious.
But just rambling made my case pretty good I think.
Thanks to those who read the whole thing,Greetings from Galiza!
@@IHaveAHobby
Arthur: I'm the king of all Britons
Peasant: well, I didn't vote for you.
you forgot Corsica which has an important and sometimes even violent separatist movement
6:30 - Big mistake here. Actually only arund 847,000 people claim Silesian idenety.
About 8 million people live in three Silesian voivodeships (Lower Silesia, Opolskie, Upper Silesia)
Only some people from Opolskie and Upper Silesia have Silesian culture and some of them are considered themselfs as Silesians.
Most Silesians, however, do not want independence and consider themselves to be Silesian and Polish.
Weren't a few million German speaking Silesians expelled post WW2 - Including my mother in law and her family?
@@nickthurn6449 Sadly, there where. As my polish Grandparents from Eastern Galicia. I could not find a survey showing how many people from Germany currently consider themselves as Silesian. The latest I know is from the 70s. You can let me know if you find a more updated one.
Nevertheless, I doubt that these people care about the autonomy of modern Silesia.
@@rafstary3706 we'll definitely not my mother in law because she's dead - but in 1945 she was only 15.
@@nickthurn6449 I am sorry to hear that. Keep her legacy in you.
@@rafstary3706 not an issue - she had a good life and her baby sister is still alive in Germany somewhere...
You mentioned Wales, Bornholm and Silesia but not Brittany, The Aaland Islands, Cornwall, Galicia, Northern/Southern Italy split, Bosnia, Corsica and a myriad of other separatist movements.
Brittany and Corisca are pretty major omissions and this video makes it seem like the UK is the only one under any threat from Separatism, even you threatening that Wales will go if Scotland go. Well what happens if Catalonia leaves Spain? You think that will keep the Galicians onboard?
this guy hates the UK and british people. typical remainer/self hater
Cornwall is my personal favourite.
@@KazeHorse It's practically nonexistent
@@lordgemini2376 that’s why it’s my favourite. Like a parody separatist movement.
I disagree for Brittany. The independentist movement in Brittany is close to non existent despite a strong regional identity. Corsica on the other is actually a pretty big omission.
If you speak about the Belgian breakup, you forgot the third player involved: the german-speaking minority in southeastern belgium. They even had a kind of terrorist movement, if you count painting over the french names for the villages on the motorway exits. In russia, it would surely count as acts of terrorism. The independence movement is not so active at the moment because they gained a lot of autonomy as a side effect of the conflict between the other two regions. But earlier when they tried to suppress the german language the movement was more active. But should Belgium break apart, it could easily be in three parts instead of only two with the german-speaking part seeking unification with either Luxembourg or Germany.
Eupen und Malmedy zurück zu Deutschland, Flandern zu den Niederlanden und Wallonien zu Frankreich. Brüssel wird freie Stadt und behält ihre Funktion als Hauptstadt der EU.
Oder die Benelux-Staaten einigen sich endlich mal und werden wieder ein Land.
Eine solche Wegrationalisierung von Klein- und Kleinststaaten wird ohnehin nötig sein, wenn zumindest Westeuropa zu einem Land zusammen wachsen soll.
@@ogerpinata1703 stimmt so nicht ganz. Malmedy ist schon französischsprachig und wird bei Wallonien bleiben wollen. Ich habe auch keine Durchmischung gefunden, auf der französischen Seite der Sprachgrenze können Passanten kein Deutsch. Wobei aber Luxemburg zumindest für die südliche Hälfte der DSG die attraktivere Wahl wäre, historisch allemal als das Herzogtum Luxemburg noch groß war. Aber selbst wenn es immer wieder erwartet wird ist Belgien noch nicht auseinandergebrochen ....
@@ogerpinata1703 The only part of your "zurück" (back) statement that is historically correct is the Eupen & Malmedy, back to Germany part.
The only part of Wallonia that was ever French is Hainaut (that was historically often linked to the 2 Flanders).
The bishopric of Liège (Lüttich) was part of France only between 1801 and 1815. That is only 14 years during the Napoleonic area. Compared to the 800 years as part of the Holy Roman Empire (with the exception of a short, 9 years Burgundian period).
Throughout history, the 2 Brabants (Brussels & Antwerp) were a little bit of everything: 100y of HRE (1190-1288), 150y of independency (1288-1430), 281y of Spanish rule (1430-1711), 84y Austrian (1711-1795), 20y French (1785-1815), 15y Dutch (1815-1830)...
In short, what Brabant was for the longest period, historically speaking, is Spanish.
On the Flemish Part, the 2 Flanders were for 700y French or Burgundian (850-1550), for 240y Spanish (1550-1795), 20y french again, then 15y Dutch
So, if you want the parts of Belgium "back to some historical group", it should be more like:
- Liège, Limburg and Luxembourg, back to Germany
- Brabant and Antwerp, back to Spain
- Two Flanders and Hainaut, back to France.
- Namur... well, I don't know, the little research I did shows a very chaotic history that I couldn't put in a clear timeline.
@@ogerpinata1703 flanders doesn't want to go to the Netherlands, we'd rather just have independence
I could tell you right now in russia it would not be an act of terrorism. Because in russia they would already have use of their regional language as is in the case of many oblasts and republics and even other European countries. Strange the german minority had to do that.
Come on, how could you mention Bornholm, Silesia, Bavaria or Sicily and not Galiza? It has a well established identity, autonomy, and and the second biggest party in the local assembly, the Galician Nationalist Bloc, is pro independence. Union with Portugal is also popular in some sectors.
Also worth mentioning
-Åland
-Sápmi
-Republika Srpska
-Elsass/Alsace
-Brittany
-Occitania
-Corsica
etc
You should do a Part II
I am surprised Republika Srpska didn't make the cut. Maybe opinion polling didn't meet the threshold.
Well, the BNG has recently reborn after some years of total obscurity, but still, the majority voted party is PP local branch, which is not pro independence at all.
Scania?
I frequently go to Galicia since most of my family and some friends are from there and I have never seen, or heard any kind of real separatist intentions anywhere. (This could be due to the regions which I visit being exceptions to the movement, Pontevedra and A Coruña, so I can't really comment on the subject)
Basque? Wales?
About French separatist movements, there's also Corsica, French Polynesia and New Caledonia.
Corsica has some history of wanting independance, having even been troubled by terrorism in favour of independance. The French government has, in the past 30 years, made several concessions towards autonomy. And Corsican politics are dominated by pro-independance or autonomist movements.
I don't know much about French Polynesia, but they also have a lot of concessions and autonomy. They have their own currency, government and laws.
Same goes for New Caledonia, which has also been troubled by violent movements. A recent referendum on independance was lost by the Caledonians, but it was mostly because of ethnic French living there (a crushing majority of natives there want independance).
The two latters are oversea but they're still kind of European. And I only covered the most well-known but I think all French overseas territories have an independance movement for themselves. I think Martinique and especially Guadeloupe are very pro-independance. And there's even Brittany (which, to be honest, is a very unlikely independance candidate - especially compared to all the other places I named). So I think this is a very important piece missing in that video.
I think he's only counting places IN Europe, not anywhere controlled by European countries, because probably most overseas territories have SOME kind of independence movement, in addition to foreign voices and the UN "decolonization" agenda always quietly suggesting it across the board. Corsica's probably a good point, though, as other comments have asserted.
He also doesn't appear to he mentioning anything that has never been in the EU, because he didn't mention Gagauzia or Chechnya. He also didn't mention Kosovo, Transnistria, Donetsk, Lugansk, Abkhazia South Ossetia, or Artsakh (except as "breakup of Yugoslavia" and "Russia's various conflicts with its ex-Soviet neighbors"), but those all have de facto independence combined with foreign occupation and influence, and the last three, especially the very last one, can only very dubiously be called "Europe".
Martinique and Guadeloupe are actually quite against it.
The former rejected independence by 79% in a referendum held in 2010
French guyana rejected independence by 70% the same year.
The latter rejected independence by 73% by a referendum helf in 2003
and New caledonia had 4 referendums in 25 years each voting against despite electoral rules being strongly against the ethnic french living there.
In fact there's so much money in being French that territories like Mayotte voted to become part of France itself in 2009 rather than just be an overseas collectivity. There's a reason 50% of Mayotte's population is made up of illegal immigrants from the Comoros and they regularly vote for Marine Lepen/ the far right.
@@willgreen9861 79% against still means 21% for. I don't know if that means there's a "movement".
@Shanti Andía In France people know about the basques but they've calmed down recently theyve stopped armed terrorism in the 90s and now unlike in Spain, in the French basque country the numbers of Basque speakers are goign down as the population becomes more french.
the catalans nobody I've ever heard of consdiers them a real seperstist movement.
CORRECTION: the number of Polish citizens who declared Silesian identity in 2011 census was 800 thousand, not 8 million. 8,5 million is roughly the entire population of Silesia, so it would be quite impossible for all of them to declare themselves a separate people and it flying under everyones radar.
On a separate note, almost all of those calling themselves Silesians live in Silesian Voivodeship, which is the eastern part of Silesia. Western part, voivodeship of Lower Silesia, is mostly populated with Poles resettled from Lviv area after the end of the 2nd world war, so there is no strong sense of regional identity there.
what about Greenland? They also want to become independent from Denmark. A majority of Greenlanders support secession at the point which it would not lower their standards of living. Right now the current government is working on setting up the economy in a way that would make Greenland self-sustaining, as they ideologically want independence.
Bornholm can join Sweden 👉👈
Probably because Greenland is considered to be part of North America, not Europe. Though I do think Greenlandic independence is one of the most likely from any European country.
greenland isn't in europe tho
Wasn't Donald Trump buying Greenland? 🤣
@@TheJayjayforce I really would not say so. Greenland has a a lot of issues you dont hear about.
I think you should have covered Corsica. Independentist and Autonomists entered an alliance making them win big at the legislative elections of 2017 but I'm expecting them to stay as MPs at the elections next week.
Additionnally if you count former colonies that are still under European control, there's referendums in Tahiti going on but it's already a Territory and not a Department which means it's lowkey autonomous.
Ayy, finally someone talks about the Faroe Islands, nice! Really thankful for the shoutout, but "fara út vit einsamallur" is just a word-for-word translation that sounds like gibberish to us. The more accurate translation would be something like "Gev okkum frið!".
I assume the writers used Microsoft Translator; their English-Faroese functionality was only launched very recently, so there are still a lot of glitches and kinks that need to be worked out.
You got everything else right though!
Do I think independence will happen? I mean this vid made it sound like Denmark has no plans to let it happen so if they don’t will there be a war?
I love Eivør's music in Faroese. I always listen to it while studying.
Not a word on Corsica ??? Independentist movement exist there since 1914 and used guerilla warfare in the 60 and 70
Some people in Corsica wants more autonomy but not independence. They want to have the same status as French Polynesia (article 74 of the Constitution) which gives more autonomy to the overseas departments but no one wants independence. And even the minority who wants autonomy it's only a few minority. I go to Corisca every summer and I've never met in my life someone who wants autonomy (every July 14th they have a proud French parade in Ajaccio and fireworks everywhere to celebrate France :)
@@vivelafrance1800 Hush up French imperialist. Just a month ago people from all over Corsica were protesting for more autonomy and a small minority for indep.
@@rayian536 I said few wants autonomy (last protest there were 5000 people on a island with 350 000 people. Its only a minoirty they even voted a majority for Le Pen in Corsica and Le Pen is anti autonomy when Macron is in favour of autonomy. If they wanted autonomy they would have voted for Macron and not for le Pen with huge majority in Corsica
@@vivelafrance1800 In the 13th of March 7000 people showed up in Bastia (according to SkyTG24). Since in Corsica live 340.000 people, it's as if 1,4 MILLION people showed up during a protest in Paris.
I will now report he parties in the Corsican Assembly, with their respective ideology (according to Wikipedia):
- "Femu a Corsica" (32/63 seats): autonomist, corsican nationalist, centrist;
- "Les Républicains" and CCB (17/63): unionist, conservative, centre-right;
- "Partitu di a Nazione Corsa" (7/63): autonomist, corsican nationalist, centre-left;
- "Corsica Libera" (1/63): independentist, corsican nationalist, leftist;
- "Core in Fronte" (6/63): independentist, corsican nationalist, far-left;
So, you have a majority of 46/63 for the Corsican Nationalists.
When you mentioned Basque you said half a decade but you meant half a century. Great video !
Another minor addition to the UK succession list - Cornwall. Its much less likely to happen, but there has been a significant minority of Cornish separatists for quite some time. They are on the south western 'leg' of England - and a lot of Cornish people will only grudgingly access being 'English' as they have their own cultural identity and customs that are closer to the Celtic culture of Wales, Scotland and Ireland (and even their own language that's nearly extinct due to... you know... the English forcing the matter, as they tend to do).
Only reason why succession is unlikely is Cornwall's economy is very small and its population very rural, relying mostly on tourism and fishing, and the UK (aka, English) government isn't willing to pay any attention to them. Not that its stopping the Faroe Islanders.
In Scotland most people are aware of Cornwall, as part of the Celtic league. Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, Brittany
@J B no it’s not. Isle of Wight is England
@J B that seems to be a theme that the British government pushes, but it’s not the reality. The U.K. is not a super power, and nobody is trying to weaken it by promoting independence of any country or region.
Isle of Wight is English, Cornwall is Celtic. Case for Indy, yes for Cornwall, if that’s what it’s people want.
Sorry what? Cornish lad here, where tf you getting your info on Cornwall? We're West Country Brits/English, with a Celtic heritage still living on through our heavy regional accents, but Independence? Who tf you been talking too.
@@hakdirt6458 Most Cornish people I've met want independence from England not the UK. We got granted the national minority status in 2014 giving us the same national recognition as the Scottish, Welsh and Irish - we are forgotten by Westminster and would be better off running our own affairs
Ideas for a Part 2 - Corsica, Venice, the Serb Republic, etc...
Maybe do more videos like this for other continents - North and South America, Africa, Asia, etc...
At 3:20 it is stated that there are 49 Scottish seats in Westminster - there are actually 59.
No mention of Republika Srpska?
Also Istrian autonomy or independence is more of a meme than an actual proposal by IDS.
Is this only in the EU? Because your missing some pretty strong (relatively) movements in Serbia and Bosnia
... the UK and the Faroes aren't in the EU
This video has some spectacularly sloppy writing, as noted even by the author in the pinned comment. It might be best to disregard it entirely, the writer might have had a bad day. A Monday product so to say.
Greenland wants to separate from Denmark
Super interesting topic but the video had numerous errors and weird choices in regards to which movements were included. This is most certainly not a definitive list and some of the ones included are not worth mentioning, such as the one on Bornholm.
Good video, if you make a second video you should add the Semi-serious Jämtland and Skåne(Scania) independence movements
6:33 - That's incorrect, according to the 2011 census about 809 000 people declared Silesian identity, 418 000 declared it on the first place, above Polish.
Worth mentioning (yet another) "United" Kingdom one here - Cornwall. The main Cornish nationalist party, Mebyon Kernow, tends toward autonomy rather than full independence. Support for autonomy generally runs fairly high, but very low for full independence. MK has been around since the 50s, and generally holds 4-6 seats on Cornwall council at any one time. They usually only contest one or two WM seats and usually poll really badly, but do consistently better in council votes, especially in poorer towns like Camborne, Pool and Redruth where few people from England live. I'd say not likely, but as a long running and fairly consistent force in a region with a *very* strong regional identity I think they deserve a mention.
Well they got their own specific video!
do we have any data for the claim that support for autonomy runs high? I've never met a Cornish person that actually wants autonomy, and never met one that doesn't identify as English as well
Don’t forget that Northern England is also trying to separate from England
@@erozionzeall6371 it really isn't lol, Northern English independence is a fringe movement lmao
@@benbezuidenhout626 That's not true. Everyone around here is very anti-London. Whilst there's probably not support for independence, there is significant support for separating off the North within the UK (or expelling London from England). This is especially true in Yorkshire and the North-East.
It’s wrong that 8 million people declared Silesian identity in 2011 census. Where did you get this from?
80.000
8 people
From ass. Also flags are wrong 🤦♂️
8 miliardów hanysów
Yeah he switched this up with the population of Polish Silesia
“Here are all the separatist movements… just don’t count the ones that aren’t separatists”
To include Bornholm's non-existent separatist movement but not Scania's separatist movement is simply ridiculous
Although the Bavarians emphasize that they are first Bavarians and then Germans, a split is unlikely.
Bavaria almost provided the German Chancellor this time, but the prospects in the elections were rather poor, the Bavarian Prime Minister left the place of the loser to someone else from North Rhine-Westphalia.
Bavaria has often raised its finger and received special requests,
which would not be possible as a separate state.
I am Bavarian. Independence is not something that is talked about in 99% of the households here. It will never happen.
@@philipkoene5345 Yeah, it even being mentioned in this video is weird. It's not just "unlikely" it's extremely unlikely. Whenever it is mentioned, it's meant as a joke. The good old Bavaria and Prussia rivalry.
You forgot Isle of Man… it’s basically independent anyway but there is strong support for even further independence, especially at national political level 🇮🇲
Majority of People I know think Isle of Man & Gibraltar are independent just like Ireland is & they have a agreement with U.K. for military support if they get attacked. As a Welsh person for Independence I also support Independence for Scotland & United Ireland. You did forget Greenland tho.
@@NicholasJH96 The Isle of Man has a Treaty with the UK. It's free to repudiate it. Gibraltar is a British Crown Colony.
@@adrianwhyatt1425 what I mean is they have deal with UK government to protect them if they come under attack
@@NicholasJH96 you are completely wrong, Gibraltar voted against independence
Given how often it has been in the news with relation to the Ukraine war I'm surprised that Transnistria wasn't mentioned in this.
Not really a "secessionist" movement, since its been de facto independent for 30 years. Same reason why Northern Cyprus wasn't mentioned.
Strange that Birnholm was mentioned but not Greenland...
Other notable exclusions include Transnistria, Circassia, Turkish Kurdistan, Corsica and some others
Greenland is in North America, not Europe. If he had to include overseas regions outside of Europe he basically had include almost all island owned by European countries
Well they did say IN Europe which Greenland isn't. If they did Greenland then there should probably also be some more French and British independence movements.
Turkish Kurdistan is located in Asia thats why
Greenland is in North America, Transnistria is basically already a country, Circassia is difficult to monitor as it's in Russia, Kurdistan is in Asia... but yes Corsica could have been mentioned!
@@benbezuidenhout626 I see
Meanwhile I forgot the biggest ommision of all - Turkish Cypress... Republika Srpska also deserves a mention
i love how only regions of a country are marked in the thumbnail, and then there is just the entire country of Belgium
Admittedly the whole thing is a mess lol
The problem is that the seperatist parties have 50% of the votes but only 20-25% wants an independent Flanders.
A lot of people vote for these parties because of the migration problem. The migration problem has to be taken serious if we want to keep our country together.
The separtist also have already too much influence with their 25%. Their is already enough power transfered to the regions.
Of the two you mentioned from Denmark, I'm surprised you didn't mention Freetown Christiania or Greenland. Regardless, pretty good TLDR of some of the seperatist movements around Europe.
Greenland isn't in Europe
@@Juho221 Greenland is part of the EU throught Denmark.
@@M.M.83-U It's not. Greenland left the EU in the 70s.
@@koobyn It remains a special overseas territory of the EU
@@M.M.83-U True. But If all EU overseas territories were included, the video would be too long. New Caledonia, French Guiana, la Réunion and dozens of others have some separatism
7:28 Romania: The Székelys don’t ask for independence, the vast majority of them just want autonomy. There are predominantly Hungarians in the region, 600K of them, who historically lived there. It's outstanding that they still don't have autonomy. It's also true that they have plenty of rights, almost same as having an explicit autonomy - they just don't have it officially recognized.
The Hungarians in Romania are very disadvantaged. They were so under the dictatorship of Ceasescu and they continue to be so.
Nu au și nu vor avea
Veil of ignorance lifted for me. I never knew there were so many Separatist in Europe.
This was a great video for me!
P.S. Is there going to be a video on the vote of no confidence on PM Boris J?
And they even failed to mention a couple
Really, sometimes I feel like every tiny region has an independence movement somewhere.
Yes, i guess you're right.
8:45 ''Jesse what the f*ck are you talking about?''
Boris Miletić said back in 2016 that he wants less of a centralised country where the profits mostly go to each županija but no one every said or mentioned anything about leaving Croatia and forming a new country. You just exaggerated the situation way to much tldr. I'm really curious where you even got that information. Can you send me your sources?
I'm surprised the Scottish independence vote in 2014 wasn't mentioned?
Silesian independence movement is about as serious as “scouse not English”
Because it's autonomy movement, not separatist 🤷♂️
Seeing as some other groups with low desire for separation are also on this list, I would think you would talk about the Friesland province in the Netherlands too. It's kinda like our version of Wales
It isn't that low in Wales. Boris is the gift that keeps giving.
Serb Republic in Bosnia is possibly the most significant one you could have missed given the tragic death toll of the war in the 90s and NATO involvement.
First of all, the Székelys in Romania want autonomy, not independence.
Second, Viktor Orbán is Prime Minister, not President.
Would be lovely if you would actually get your facts right.
This title is misleading. It shouldn't be every separatist region in Europe, but only in the EU. You missed a number of major ones that are going on in non-EU member states. It's weird that you still treat terms "Europe" and "EU" as sinonimes even though you live in European but non-EU county.
So UK is EU?
It's one of those intentional mistakes, at least where I live in eastern Europe. If not pro-Europe ( pro-EU) then you must be pro-Russia or an isolationist. Somehow neutrality never seems to occur to them or that we could engage in trade with the EU without being part of it.
The UK is not in the EU, so it's technically right to say Europe, though they do seem to be more focused on Western Europe rather than those in the east.
@@Giotsche It was for almost fifty years
But he listed Scotland, NI and Wales. They aren't part of the EU either.
Southtyrolean here... Especially the twenties and thirties were really hard for the German speaking population. Today we enjoy a lot of autonomy.
I worked in a company in Paris that had no less than 10 Faroese wirking for them ( out of about 100 people) we used to joke we had 5% of the population. Good people I enjoyed their company.
Something fishing or shipping related?
I love how in the thumbnail the entire of Belgium just wants to separate from itself
0:18 Slovakia : Am I a joke to you?
6:14 I think you mean Flanders. And when differentiating the 2 regions we prefer that you use the correct flanders/wallonia flag and not the dutch and french one... proud Belgian here btw.
I think they assume either region would get absorbed by the Netherlands and France respectively. Making the flanders and wallonia flags irrelevant.
Kind of a good example of how there isn't even a plan for how this would all happen. Its nothing but empty loud populism for easy votes.
The best thing about Bavarian independence is that the Bundesliga would become interesting again
HaHaHa.... So it would just be between Dortmund and Leipzig for the title every year? LoL
Breakup of Yugoslavia in early 2000? I live here and I am pretty sure that it was in early '90es
Montenegro and Kosovo put an official end to end, Serbia still called itself Yugoslavia before Montenegro became a sovereign state in 2006.
@@Game_Hero Well, you are wrong. Yugoslavia crumbled in bloody wars in Croatia and Bosnia in 90's. How serbia called itself is irrelevant.
@@nfo981 It is relevant as Yugoslavia continued existing in the first half of the 2000s, just with less members in it.
What about Corsica?? One of the most rebellious regions in Europe for over 2 centuries has again seen violence for months now
you forgot about the Frisian seperatist movement.
Over here in the netherlands a grassroots movement has started to get the province of Friesland their independence. Although this movement has not originated in Friesland, it has garnered wide support throughout the other 11 provinces.
Dayum! The comments are eating you guys alive! However, kudos to the team for attempting to make such an ambitious video. Love you bunches! 😚😍
I agree. I could tell from the title that the comments were going to be brutal. To cover so many locations, many of which I was sure they weren't familiar with, would be difficult. Anywho, appreciate the content though.
Can't believe you missed Republika Srpska and Herzeg-Bosnia in Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Vojvodina in Serbia. They're some of the strongest independence movements in Europe, especially the Bosnian ones.
True, I can confirm, I'm from Bosnia. The thing is, though, those are blocked by the peace treaty, so they cannot legally secede. Doing so would outright start a new war.
@@emp96ElminD yeah, but so can't Istria legally leave Croatia and they still covered it. Even though it's barely an independence movement compared to these...
@@iellachich1894 they did cover Istria, because there is no legal mechanism for independence inside the Croatian constitution. RS and HB are both constitutionally impossible. Legally speaking Istria is light years closer to independence.
@@emp96ElminD tbh, it seems likely to me that we will see a new war in Bosnia before seeing Istrian independence
@@iellachich1894 nah, I hang out with Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs that are my age. We would all sooner leave then fight again. Fuck war and fuck the politicians who start them. I was speaking from a legal perspective nothing more. :D
Everyone can have a case for independence (down to a mere neighborhood in a city if you wish) but not everyone is capable to face bullies like Putin, a reality many Europeans are now being reminded.
Everyone is sold the goodies (and there are plenty of administrative advantages on being independent if, and only if, well managed) but not everyone is reminded of the disadvantages. “I want to be free (and usually rich)” and “I want to be helped and saved” are two cries that can be heard simultaneously.
Lastly is worth mentioning that most independence movements don’t end in the very fact of independence alone: they are paired with ideological-political conceptions and some (some) of them are quite nefarious (a cue given by those who resorted to commit acts of terrorism and killing political opponents while also terrorizing those who didn’t support them with money, locally).
Bornholm can join Sweden 👉👈
You are amusing 💩 on one hand you say you are liberal and support freedom of choice but on the other hand don't support the same. Are you friends with hunter Biden? Secondly for every short coming of the west they blame Putin guys like you remind me the importance of education 🙄
Petoria is strong, Petoria can face any army
Good points, but a lot of those continent-level functions are filled by the EU, raising the question why have an intermediate level of government between cohesive regions (like some of those mentioned) and the EU. All that intermediate layer of government seems to do is bicker, and slow agreement on, say, Ukraine, and such crises, and other areas of what should be common interest.
One thing that the USA, UK and Russians have in common, they are ruled by political elites, and hidden establishments that control the media, and control who takes the power, and they can topple the leaders at any moment. And these are the war mongers, not the Norwegians, Scots, Irish, Finns etc etc
So by your mentality we will be left with 2 empires, America (with England as its overseas state) and Russia, nobody allowed to talk any language but English and Russian?
The EU encourages European languages. The British establishment has attempted to destroy the Celtic languages of its neighbours. and they call that a 'Union'
No, I 'm sticking with the EU, Scandinavian and Irish model, not the Anglo Saxon England /America & Russian one, which is all about hierarchy and pecking orders, empires and wars
When talking about the Basque Conflict, I think you meant "half a century" when you said "half a decade".
Kudos for the list but it was a bit of a weird one.
When it comes to Bosnia and Herzegovina, it's a freaking mess that is barely holding together yet you mention Istria in neighbouring Croatia? That one is more comparable to Vojvodina in (neighbouring) Serbia, being interested in more autonomy inside the state rather than aiming to separate.
Where did you get 8 million from when discussing Silesians? It was 800k, quite a big difference
How to say you view everything though a British lens without saying it: Describe Irish reunification as a "separatist" movement.
There's a few other ones that he missed.
Mostly in Russia.
There's also technically a tiny Sami separatist movement although they have very little actual support among the Sami people as most of them just want more autonomy within Norway, Sweden and Finland.
I have never heard about any Sami seperatist movements. Could you give me any names of leaders of this movement or names of the movement itself?
They would never give up their subsidice and grants.
Are any of the Russian ones in Europe? This video only concerns Europe.
@@Mishn0 Russian Samis live on the Kola Peninsula which is in Europe.
@@Nabium Well, "tiny" and "very little actual support" might have kept them off the list too.
Great video!
You also forgot that we sicilians made our own Group during WWII named "EVIS" (Esercito Volontario per l'Indipendenza della Sicilia) and we fought battles for indipendence and the sicilian kingdom is the oldest living kingdom in europe and we were also the richest kingdom
It seems strange that Corsican, Breton and Basque independence movements are not mentioned. Perhaps successful state suppression of independence movements were part of TLDR's selection procedure?
“Basque isn’t mentioned” did you watch the video?
@@eldel6398 Not in connection with France it wasn't. Neither were the Corsicans or Basques. It is as if TLDR think France is a monolthic whole. Surely an oversight?
@@markaxworthy2508 Not only that but the Bretons too!
It feels like you guys maybe added some independence movements which don't have a chance of success (like Borno, Bavaria, Szekelyland...)
but they exist, so its informative to include them. Who knows? Maybe they'll have more chance in the future.
@@Game_Herothere are less and less szekels and hungarians in romania, "szekelyland" was made up by 3 romanian counties Mures Covasna and Harghita, Mureș was like 60% hungarian now it is only 30%, Covasna and Harghita ≈90% now they are at 80% and still going down from 1.200.000 hungarians in 2011 now there are ≈900k-1.000.000
@@papianto1 Time is running out for them, where are they all going?
@@Game_Hero going to the west like everyone in this country
Basque separatist here! I am thrilled to see that, just for once, someone talks more about the Basque National Party than about the ETA. Great video! : )
Galician nationalist/separatist here!
Nowadays they could talk about Bildu too as it has lots of support and is what the second political force on the Basque country?Even reached Navarra's parliament as well.For the first time on forever there is a second option for Basque nationalism with its own labor union and all.
Ur Chanel is amazing! Congrats guys
South Tyrol German speaker here, we already have near full autonomy from Rome, all the taxes stay here, most services are local managed, only our law can't go against national law, we have small independence movements, but not big enough for a rally
Do you also know italian? I'm from Emilia-Romagna and i always found the situation in South Tyrol really interesting
We have to learn it.
as a dutch guy living in belgium i can tell you its a pretty messy affair.
The belgians seem to want to split but not join their respective neighbors.
I honestly just hope to see the benelux get unified one day. i know its far away and i know theres a lot of different cultures at play here i think in the modern day we could unify without screwing one and another over like the netherlands did with the belgians after the 80 year war. ceceded the benelux from the Habsburg spanish empire that inherited the title of Burgundy (80% or so of the benelux).
afterwards we had a kingdom that was ruled by a protestant king whilst anything south from the dutch borders were mostly catholic.
Honestly nowadays there's not as much hate between the catholics and the protestants and don't really play a big role in our politics anymore.
As a EU federalist nationalist (from Italy) I want too to see Benelux, I want mascrostates (like Benelux) being a thing with way less power than nowadays countries, in favor of a lot of power to regions inside (like Wallonia, Flanders, Holland) and to the Union outside as the European Federation. Or like Iberia but instead of power to Portugal and Spain, the power into Catalunia, Andalusia, Basque etc and all the foreign, monetary, army policies etc in Europe. What a paradise that would be.
"Seem to want" is doing alot of work here. Probably about 1 in 4, of which half don't even fully grasp the implications. It is presented as a simple handshake and see ya later lmao.
Gosh no, the Benelux is fine as is. Can you imagine the disaster of not being able to immediately identify Belgian drivers? ;)
Belgium is as complicated and divided as it is because theres a divide between 2 different cultures. Hoping another 3 or more cultures join in isn't really realistic
@@B4byl0ni4 Italy Is worst, way more than two, same other countries, more we divide, more weak we are, the entire Italian hymn Is about that, so people should Just stop acting like children
The region you depicted as the Basque Country is only just three out of the seven Basque provinces. While the autonomous Basque region in Spain is indeed only those select three, the entirety of the Basque Country also includes the province Nafarroa within the Spanish border, as well as the three provinces Lapurdi, Zuberoa and Nafarroa Beherea within the French border
Eso es lo que los nacionalistas españolas quieren ni Navarra ni Francia piensan siquiera en el tema
@@Maria-ln3xc ez jakin gaztellianaz dut, herbeheretakoa naiz
@@Maria-ln3xc Eso no es del todo cierto. El independentismo/nacionalismo vasco tiene su presencia en todos los territorios mencionados, con representantes de Geroa Bai y EH Bildu en Navarra y recientemente en Francia también, con un escaño de EH Bai en la Asamblea Nacional como parte del Nuevo Frente Popular.
Y en su acepción en el idioma original "país vasco" (en el cual se tiene en cuenta a los vascohablantes) engloba como mínimo la parte norte de Navarra y la zona francesa.
Seems to me that most of these places don't actually want independence, they want autonomy. And who could blame them [insert capital here] are often culturally different from these regions which are, again, often near the edges of the nation's territory. But actually going independent and getting recognized by the international community as well as setting up legal frameworks and agreements/alliances once they are flying solo is a lot of work. While simply having more control over things that matter more on a local level actually staying at the local level rather than being centralized is much easier to accomplish...
7:18 is an important point. According to international law - unless we're talking about a union of autonomous countries like Yugoslavia or the Soviets - it is illegal for a separatist group to unilaterally declare independence from its parent state. This is the reason why the Russian declarations of independence in Crimea and Donbass are illegal. There is a good reason for this: If separatist movements were actually given legal permission to secede by international law, the whole world would quickly be embroiled in civil war.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
You should seriously consider a part 2.
Here are some suggestions.
-Republika Srpska (Bosnia & Herzegovina.)
-Greenland (Denmark)
-Corsica & Brittany (France)
-Northern Cyprus (Cyprus, duh)
-Åland (Finland)
-South Ossetia & Abkhazia (Georgia)
-Transnistria (Moldova)
-Vojvodina (Serbia)
Breakup of Yugoslavia in the early 2000s? :|
Also you missed the separatist movement of Serbs in Bosnia
Yugoslavia officially ceased to exist in the early 2000s but the break up started ten years earlier.
@@linusfotograf Fully aware of that, but the Yugoslavia we tend to think of when just saying "Yugoslavia" broke up in the early 90's, not 2000's
@@ImStevan Yeah, I’m thinking the writer must’ve just googled ”when did Yugoslavia break up?” and went with that
The party for independence of Bornholm received approximately 160 votes in 2013 and didn't even participate in the last two local elections, so I would really like your source that a "slight majority want independence".
Regarding Belgium: you didn’t take into consideration that only a very small percentage of the people who vote for the vlemish nationalist parties believe in their separatist ideas. Therefore secession is unlikely to happen.
Yorkshire: 😐”missed me bro”
Yorkshire? That’s a new one
I miss good old days when TLDR used to advertise countries pins in intros to their videos
Venice has a pretty big independence movement but it's likely to fail, like most of these
They never wanted independence. It's just another bunch of clowns
Mate how could you include Wales nationalism and mention all other prominent movements on the Iberian Peninsula but forgot the third biggest one there on Galicia,Galician Nationalism lead by the BNG(Bloque Nacionalista Galego).
As a voter and a scholar about the subject I must say that was disappointing.
They have been there since forever with far more successful electoral results than half of the movements listed.
Also even if it is nearly dead cause France is the centralised country that it is,make some mentions too to the several political movements advocating for independence and cultural survival for minority ethnic groups there,like the UDB of the Parti Breton on Brittany without much success or the ever strong Corsican nationalism.
Leaving behind Sardinia,Veneto,Greenland(alright they are not a political part of the UE but within Denmark and geographical Europe) even Alsace.
The video lacked research on that we all can agree.
Also - Corsica. A big issue for literally centuries, and has repeatedly turned violent.
I had a very good online friend who was a separatist who wants his people to be independent. Not call all separatists bad.
I’m myself supporting Palestine 🇵🇸 independence but that’s nationalism not regionalism
50 years is pretty long for half a decade