I understand why he says you get better results pulling slightly down and outward with facemask, because there is much less resistance from the bone that way. However, I can't help but ask myself why someone would want to do this unless they have a significant vertical deficiency. But more of the people I see with poor facial development tend to have a vertical excess if anything due to downwards growth. Makes me wonder what the option is for someone with vertical excess but front-to-back deficiency.
Maxilla which is too up and forward (deficient growth), causes the nose to bulge and eyes to be pressed against the brow. This is craniofacial dystrophy. Ideal maxilla is down and forward because it allows the lower third to project more. Compare the Mew's twin studies, where one of the twins was a mouthbreather and the other a lip-sealed nosebreather. The better face (lip-sealed) has a maxilla that is down and forward.
The last part is especially interesting; pulling the upper jaw slightly downward. It’s definitely correct in my case, the upper jaw is already quite short. Even though I do not have an underbite it seems the development of the upper jaw might’ve been compromised by either the teeth extractions or the retainer or both. Good to know.
I have upper airway collapse. Thank you Dr. Lipkind for answering my question. I'm currently working with Dr. Newaz to advance my soft palate with a face mask because my airway is very narrow in that specific region of my face. I also plan on getting mandibular advancement surgery to correct the overbite following face mask treatment.
@@highsay9769 So I have rates from last year. $8,700 is the total. The initial first payment is 2,747.25, which is made on the day the MSE is installed. The remaining balance can be paid in monthly payments for 18 months. You can also ask that they be spread out to 24 months which is what I'll be doing. So 24 monthly payments of 248
so it's impossible if someone has a recessed face.. to bring the maxilla forward... the only way is to facemask down and get some forward growth but... with some vertical growth as well... Isn't it possible to achieve counterclockwise rotation?
Wow this is huge info. Too bad the arms of my MSE were cut off and I can't use the facemask anymore 😂 you know I had it pulling slightly upwards too lol Side note: Dr Lipkins voice sounds so similar to Willem Dafoe ahaha
Can you ask if a person after getting a split, expand at a semi rapid rate according to Dr John mew . Maybe that removes the chances of uneven or asymmetric expansion maybe .
Ron can a tooth borne expander split the suture and disrupt all the sutures like an mse can? When I had an expander on the teeth attached to the wings were expanded. Is that indicative that bone borne expansion did not take place?
I really don’t understand this video. The jaw forward? back? The reason why people would want a face mask? I’m not following when you say that people want to bite “this way” but when they smile the bite returns to its regular position. I’m lost…
somebudy thinks their bite is in incorrect position，they feel more comfortablr with their bite when their lower teeth are in a knipped state ,probably because their maxilla is underdeveloped
@@miniweeddeerz1820 lipkins said the maxilla should be moved downwards with FPHG. The thesis Orthotropics is that modern faces have grown downwards due to CFD.
@@JawHacks when i push my jaw forward i look like what you looked like with recessed maxilla a surgeon told me that 30% of patient get more tmj problem 30% improve and 30% dont change is there any way to check the health of the tmj before doing anything? i think one of my joint is luxated for 8 years now wich gives me asymetry only when i push my jaw forward not at rest
How long does the diastema between the two front teeth last in most cases? I'm getting MSE soon but I'm worried that I'll have a big ass gap between my teeth for like 6 months.
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@Oba Instinct I mean you just google it. It's bone anchored protraction with plates that have to be installed surgically. There are even other ways like using tads drilled into the sides of maxilla instead of plates which is done by guys like Juan Carlos Pérez Varela.. The protraction itself is then done again with class 3 elastics but the anchoring is bone borne.
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I would say fix it Speaking as someone who's spent the last few years trying to fix one You don't really realize how much it's affecting your confidence until you actually make some headway in fixing it.
I understand why he says you get better results pulling slightly down and outward with facemask, because there is much less resistance from the bone that way. However, I can't help but ask myself why someone would want to do this unless they have a significant vertical deficiency. But more of the people I see with poor facial development tend to have a vertical excess if anything due to downwards growth. Makes me wonder what the option is for someone with vertical excess but front-to-back deficiency.
I have the same question waiting for an answer)
Maxilla which is too up and forward (deficient growth), causes the nose to bulge and eyes to be pressed against the brow. This is craniofacial dystrophy.
Ideal maxilla is down and forward because it allows the lower third to project more.
Compare the Mew's twin studies, where one of the twins was a mouthbreather and the other a lip-sealed nosebreather. The better face (lip-sealed) has a maxilla that is down and forward.
@@bogdan13579 See above
The last part is especially interesting; pulling the upper jaw slightly downward.
It’s definitely correct in my case, the upper jaw is already quite short.
Even though I do not have an underbite it seems the development of the upper jaw might’ve been compromised by either the teeth extractions or the retainer or both.
Good to know.
Lipkin did my braces its so cool to see you working with him
Nice I'm sure your teeth are in tip-top shape.
Loved this interview.
I have upper airway collapse. Thank you Dr. Lipkind for answering my question. I'm currently working with Dr. Newaz to advance my soft palate with a face mask because my airway is very narrow in that specific region of my face. I also plan on getting mandibular advancement surgery to correct the overbite following face mask treatment.
great plan
what is your age？Dose is it work？
So do you suffer from insomnia and UARS ?
just saw dr lipkin today we are planning out my mse lets GO!
How much does it cost overall?
@@highsay9769 So I have rates from last year. $8,700 is the total. The initial first payment is 2,747.25, which is made on the day the MSE is installed. The remaining balance can be paid in monthly payments for 18 months. You can also ask that they be spread out to 24 months which is what I'll be doing. So 24 monthly payments of 248
@@SleepDisorderedBreathing 1 year so i dont think youll respond but is that including braces or just mse? Hope its going great
so it's impossible if someone has a recessed face.. to bring the maxilla forward... the only way is to facemask down and get some forward growth but... with some vertical growth as well... Isn't it possible to achieve counterclockwise rotation?
I have the same question waiting for an answer)
What about class 3 cases with a longer mid-face? What angle should they pull? What does he mean by "slightly downward," -15 degrees? -30 degrees?
You should pull at the angle of your occlusal plane, if you pull upward you will get an open bite.
wondering why lipkin is against the DOME. my doctor recommended it alongside mse treatment to ensure splitting but i think I'm going to decline.
Wow this is huge info. Too bad the arms of my MSE were cut off and I can't use the facemask anymore 😂 you know I had it pulling slightly upwards too lol
Side note: Dr Lipkins voice sounds so similar to Willem Dafoe ahaha
Lol good call.
so is it not possible to upswing maxilla through MSE and facemask?
I have the same question waiting for an answer)
Do you need face mask if upper and lower jaws are deficient? But they're in a class 1, like both jaws are retracted back causing airway problems
How I wish MSE is available in the Philippines. 😅
Ron can you please briefly explain what is the whole hbg ordeal is?
Can you ask if a person after getting a split, expand at a semi rapid rate according to Dr John mew . Maybe that removes the chances of uneven or asymmetric expansion maybe .
이것은 내게 매우 흥미로운 주제이다. 새로운 사실을 알게됨. 충격적
Ron can a tooth borne expander split the suture and disrupt all the sutures like an mse can? When I had an expander on the teeth attached to the wings were expanded. Is that indicative that bone borne expansion did not take place?
You need to take a cbct scan to check but sometimes it has mixed results in adults
I really don’t understand this video. The jaw forward? back? The reason why people would want a face mask? I’m not following when you say that people want to bite “this way” but when they smile the bite returns to its regular position. I’m lost…
somebudy thinks their bite is in incorrect position，they feel more comfortablr with their bite when their lower teeth are in a knipped state ,probably because their maxilla is underdeveloped
⛔️Warning⛔️ This video is NOT Orthotropic approved
@@luke14946 he’s literally the founder of Orthotropics
What do you mean?
@@miniweeddeerz1820 lipkins said the maxilla should be moved downwards with FPHG. The thesis Orthotropics is that modern faces have grown downwards due to CFD.
@@Colin-cb8hv could you elaborate on your abbreviations.
@@miniweeddeerz1820 study orthotropics
hi my maxilla and mandible are recessed i'm going for jaw surgery but scared if it gives tmj problems?
That would be considered a complication of surgery, not a typical outcome.
@@JawHacks when i push my jaw forward i look like what you looked like with recessed maxilla
a surgeon told me that 30% of patient get more tmj problem
30% improve and 30% dont change
is there any way to check the health of the tmj before doing anything? i think one of my joint is luxated for 8 years now wich gives me asymetry only when i push my jaw forward not at rest
@@mdenjoyer831 you can have an mri scan.
Does facemask only work with mse?
아니요. 구개 정중 봉합사를 분리하는 모든 장치에 적용 거능
@@freedom_is_notfree 아니요. 구개 정중 봉합사를 분리하는 모든 장치에 적용 거능 (google translate lol)
Did HBG pay you in crypto or? Because a guy like him has money. I mean he has like 4 clinics filled with mse patients :) You got caught in 4k
How long does the diastema between the two front teeth last in most cases?
I'm getting MSE soon but I'm worried that I'll have a big ass gap between my teeth for like 6 months.
Great question. Someone please answer him.
Enjoy the gap.... rock it like AHHHNOLD
It all depends on how long you expand and how much. It all depends on how soon you get into braces. The gap really isn’t that apparent
my gap lasted for like 2 weeks
Where can I book a consultation with you? Please respond.
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Ronald just tell us where hbg lives and we'll let you off the hook we just want this doc to get what he deserves
Bro hbg should get an oscar for that level of acting. You should be in jail with him for that sham story.
Crazy
Crazy is normal and normal is crazy in this business.
Dr. Green and his boys are about to tear you apart. You must not have given him his cut or had a dispute somewhere.
what are you talking about
hbg actor you've been paid by him to promote bone born appliances it all makes sense now.
Dr. Ericson Green 🚨 if youre reading this we are onto you and ronaId will get his for collaborating with you.
lol u soft
First!
lfg
Bollard Plates > facemask
Only bone borne protraction should be taken seriously
Attaching a facemask to a TAD-expander is bone borne.
Bollard plates does not get as deep into the maxilla as MSE TADs. Plus there is zero documented successful cases in adults with bollard plates.
@@JawHacks True but not attaching a facemask to an MSE molar arms. In fact you can even use a facemask with bollards.
@Oba Instinct you getting results?
@Oba Instinct I mean you just google it. It's bone anchored protraction with plates that have to be installed surgically. There are even other ways like using tads drilled into the sides of maxilla instead of plates which is done by guys like Juan Carlos Pérez Varela.. The protraction itself is then done again with class 3 elastics but the anchoring is bone borne.
mogger Ron
Mogger? Dunno. Jogger? Definitely, 2 miles every morning before breakfast.
@@JawHacks hahahaha. And health is beauty.
absolute mogger
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what are you talking about??
I have an underbite but its not visible in my case when i close my mouth. Should i get it fixed or its okay to live with it as it is ??? @JawHacks
as same as yo
I would say fix it
Speaking as someone who's spent the last few years trying to fix one
You don't really realize how much it's affecting your confidence until you actually make some headway in fixing it.