I love your reviews. As an owner of Origin 50H, I can definitely confirm it is loud as f$%k and has far more volume than I will ever need. However, it has a power reduction switch which really does a great job so the amp can be pushed hard at lower volumes. Personally, I think the Origin 50H is a great amp that provides far more in terms of sound than what is worth for its price tag. To have a full-sized EL34 head with effects loop and Marshall label under 600 euros is a case that is very difficult to beat. However, in reviews, I think there is a big injustice made to these amps because they are often perceived as a "poor man's plexi" and somewhat expected to perform as 2000 $+ boutique Marshall heads and are judged through these lenses. I think it is fair to say that Origin is Origin and Plexi is a Plexi. Origin has its own thing going and is a Marshall amp on its own...nowhere did Marshall officially state that this is budget plexi or made comparisons like that. It should be valued for what it is and not for what it is perceived it could or should be. Just my 2 cents. Great review as always, Elmo! ;-)
Thanks for that comment. I am strongly considering entering in to my first Marshall and the Origin seems to fit my budget and needs. Undecided on the 50 or the 20. I gig around but in more of a bar setting but a couple mid sized stages as well.
I have the Origin 20C, it’s plenty damned loud enough through the one 10” speaker, I can only imagine how loud that 50H is through a 4x12. I haven't been brave enough to try the 20C through my old Randall 4x12 yet.
@@scottnoricsson2023 Most of the time I run the Master volume at about 2 or 3 o’clock, and the gain from about noon to 3. Sometimes I run the gain really low when I’m noodling. I have since then run it in the 4x12, holy crap it is loud!! I don’t know how much clean headroom you’d have with a band, though.
Do you think now it gets even closer to the Plexi with the cab/speakers? $500 to 2500? i mean you blow up a $500 on the road buy a new one and can get one easily lol.
I love my origin 50h. Got rid of the fizz completely with a power cap upgrade, and then swapped preamp tubes for tungsol 12ax7rs and rebiased it to run kt66 power tubes... for only a few bucks, there was a dramatic improvement over the stock version which is already a fantastic ( and super LOUD) amp. Considered a transformer upgrade but I honestly like it exactly how it is now.
@@TheZooberman replacement of the power capacitors. The factory ones are kind of cheap and upgrading them to a higher quality makes a noticable difference.
The low end on the vintage Marshall seemed a little flubby, and a little tighter on the origin. The origin seems to have a plexi drive with a more 800 style eq. Thanks for the great video!
@@joehahn8817 - both amps have ss rectifiers. All Marshalls have SS rectifiers. The only exceptions are the earlier versions of the JTM 45 and JTM 45 reissues.
Thanks for the videos you have done on the Origin! I'm currently researching the amp and I am strongly considering entering into the Marshall world and this seems to fit my budget and needs.
Love my origin 20h. Love the hell out of it. Running it on 3w setting to push the volume really makes it pop and honestly makes it so much more accessible to use at home hahaha
In live performance on big stages, the sound engineer if the amps are going to be at high volumes, he adjusts the volume according to the tone that the guitarist is looking for at a specific volume and places the amps far and away from the stage. in order to be able to make the mix on the stage monitors and the sound that comes out to the public. For that reason I have never had to use my amp at full volume and my 50 head orgin sounds spectacular. and obviously in indor places like clubs ext. you will never need a higher volume than level 5, and even less on a plexi
I have a JTM plexi and a 50wt Origin and the Origin just never ceases to amaze me, especially considering it's modest price and lowly status among afficianados (read, cork sniffers).
I know alot of poeple who are not cork sniffers who dislike the origin. It's called preference. Calling poeple names because they have different tastes and preferences is childish and petty
@@adamwatson6916 It gets unreasonably trashed by snobs who probably have never even played through one. If all you've done is voiced a preference, the statement didn't include you. Corksniffer isn't much of an insult BTW, grow a skin.
@rocknroll1973 It holds it's own. It's a little brighter, tighter gain structure, cleans are decent but hard to beat JTM cleans considering the tweed heritage. Doesn't quite have the depth or harmonic range as the JTM but I also have old glass and vintage spec transformers in the JTM.
@rocknroll1973 When I had it built, my tech added the split cathode and bright cap push/pull, as well as a tube/SS rectifier switch. The later Black Flags were SS rectified and I wanted the other two things to tighten the bass up a bit in order for the amp to cover more ground. What I meant about the vintage spec trannies was that my JTM50 was built as a clone and when sourcing the transformers I found a couple that are built to the old Drake specs. I also got NOS preamp tubes, including a 60's Mullard for V1. The thing just sings!
@rocknroll1973 Speakers are down the line for me. I have a crappy low end 2X12 that gets the job done but I do want some Celestions. The Heritage seem like a good buy, I've also noticed people selling old Celestions online. Saw a pair of early 70's 30Wt that were priced fair. Can't afford them yet though as I am in the middle of buying parts for another plexi build. Right now just using ir's through studio monitors and headphones.
I actually use and own both but the Origin 50h more due to ears and being indoors and all. Love the 1987xl more though. The Origin 50h is hard to beat in value and tone!
@@vin9976 get a tone king attenuator or buy a 1x12 amp with volume switch, some have 1w,5w,and then 12/15w. That’s a good thing. Origin does it in their 1x12 but I’m a Femder fan now, highly highly highly recommend the pro junior Iv tweed, their cheap. If you want better a 68 Princeton is hard to beat.
Elmo, you are a brave brave person sitting that close to a 50 watt Marshall at full volume! Kudos dude! Both amps sound fantastic. The Plexi is a personal favourite of mine (my custom built 69 Plexi is so awesome) and it has that fatness, girth and fullness. To my ears the bass gets a little loose on that amp. The origin is a real surprise. Not as fat sounding, but low end of tighter, and there is more pronounced high freqs which causes that slight fizz. I kinda preferred it for the Malmsteen rhythms - sound3d tighter - lead tones both cool but Plexi takes it for its fullness. Have an awesome day.
I believe that dB levels are measured at 3 feet, so if you have your meter twice that distance, as I think you said 2 metres, your volume is a little higher than what you thought. But I guess, loud is loud, and when you're up around 110-120 decibels it doesn't really matter (to our ears anyway).
Great video, great playing! I was looking at the origin 20, but for a few dollars more I could have the 50. I like the sound of the 50 better. Thank you Elmo!
Hi Elmo, I bought an Origin 50h. I've owned just about every classic Marshall model worth owning, and I noticed that fizziness too, but I figured out how to get rid of that. The origin seems to work much more like a plexi if you drive the back end a little harder than the front. Also the tone controls are alot more sensitive, and have more range that a plexi. So here is my formula- Master- 9 Presence-1 Treble- 3 Middle -3 Bass-3 Preamp-8 Tilt- 6 Boost- off It is also worth mentioning that the Powerstream power scaling works great. Those setting work great across all power settings. Also the cabinets I'm using are a Marshall 1960AHW, and a Marshall 425B Vintage/ Modern.
Hi Elmo, here is an update on my Origin 50h. I had it for less than 45 days, and smoked the output transformer! Luckily I had 4 days left to return it. The budget plexi to go with is the Bugera 1960 Infinium. I've owned one for several years, and never had any issues. Also it is without a dought one of the best sounding, feature rich amps I have ever owned regardless of cost! My only recommendation with the 1960 is make sure your speakers can handle the power. 150 watts RMS is a conservative rating. It is louder than my Major!
@@seyringheat man I had a bug era 1960 infinitum that I loved until it started overheating and shutting down until a couple hours later when it would cool down and you could turn it on again. Huge bummer, made it unusable for shows
@ seyringheat,, which better couples you think between : origin with 1960 cab vs origin 425? I'm looking forward my new origin with 425,, curious if it's better match. Btw,, why your transformer blew up? 100w cab is enough to handle 50w origin
I can understand concluding that the plexi is better for metal tones. But if you live anywhere from clean to overdriven, I think the origin will yield plenty of classic Marshall vibes for the average consumer who would be shopping in the origins price range anyhow.
I just demoed the Origin 50 for a long time today. It’s like a JTM plexi with all that spank and character. The 1987 is on the opposite end, a hotrodded super lead sorta thing. Glassy up top and wooley…but it’s not that same JTM spank tho. That Origin is pretty great for that! It’s cool and amazing for the price, especially used lol. The combo sounded great too. I think the 50w is the way tho… the little cheap transformers in the studios and origins have sounded thin to me. A lot of the complaints about origins are related to that I think
Awesome video I bought a cheap Marshall 100 watt tube amp it’s crazy loud, way too loud for the room I’m in now. I’m thinking that origin 50 might be the way to go. Thanks
@ James.... i was in the same boat (I have a DSL100H running into a 1960 Lead). I purchased a Bugera PS1 (attenuator) for $100 and it gave me the option of really cranking the tubes on the amp without peeling the paint off the walls. A really really well spent $100. I also have the Origin 50.... it has it's own built in attenuator ..... you can play it at 50, 10, or 5 watts.... but even the 5 watts is REALLY loud. hope that helps.
Imo, hit it with the right boost and it'll be much harder to tell the amps apart. Maybe new tubes etc. It's kinda crazy that you can get in the ball park of the plexi at such a reasonable price. Marshall have done a terrific job on this amp and the dual super lead series as well. Also as always killer playing Elmo.
just curious if you upgraded the tubes?. i bought an Origin 20 head and a tube upgrade was like night and day. awesome demo. in Canada, there is about a $2000 difference for a plexi or $800 more for the SV.. for most of us, the origin plays the part well enough
@@MrPolevaulter honestly, just swap out the V1 and try it again..whatever tubes Marshall used totally compress the sound..still wont make it a plexi, but it but a $20 upgrade brings you that much closer., cheers
Seems like the Origin holds it's own pretty good until you start playing above 320bpm. Then it starts losing articulation and gets kinda raspy. Love them Yngwie jams man!!!
5:45 I can imagine its from those moments where a guy back from the camera's say's ".. Is he gonna talk about the amp? " and the other one say's " NO no no, let him finish..."
@@MrPolevaulter Got IT! if you overload the front end, with a dist/OD, boss EQ ge-7 mid boost, and the origin has presence to 8 an treble to 7 or 8 back them off, also the tilt up to like 3 o'clock, very high back it off, else you get a hiss, and it will cut out... yes stop playing, the amp can't handle either the treble or the gain... the tilt maybe the issue. FYI for all. Its not the tubes.
I have an Origin 50C on the way. This comparison really helped me decide I didn't need a plexi. If I need more than the Origin, there's always other options. Cheers!
@@riffsnoleads Indeed ! But i changed the Preamp ( v1) 12ax7 Marshall labeled tube with a different one ( TAD other manufacturer ) & it changed the gain stage too !
@@motorrebell it likely just had slightly more output gain than the tube that was in there. I would be willing to bet a modern JJ 12ax7 could get the same results.
You really should be using hearing protection at such high volume. You can damage your hearing and think you're fine and not have any symptoms until a few years later, long after the damage has already been done. I don't know about you, but as a music lover, self inflicted deafness isn't high on my list of priorities.
The Origin 50 is in between a jmp and a jcm800 and a plexi ... it has sounds and tones similar to all those but also its own thing ... people have the bad habit of expecting cork sniffer tones out of cheap amps ... there is a reason some amp sell for 3000$ US and some others 500$, its all about expectation and how much premade ideas are worth. Tone chasing is a sickness and we all know it, some people are more sick than others and convince themselves that shelling out thousands of dollars is always better and justified.
it's in the hands and in your head. if you have your thing going on as a player, and know how to play with gear to make it do what you want -> you spend a LOT less money than some hairspray commercial with a mouth full of hubba bubba.
Great review Elmo I like the origin 50 but I think i would go for the 1987x its just a better amp .I have a jvm 205 h 50 watt head that sounds pretty damn good but nothing sounds like a plexi to me except a plexi . I can hear the difference in the mid range snarl . For the money and at lower volume the origin would do . But for giggin I would go with the 1987x
hi , thx for the vid elmo .. question: so master and gain needs to be pretty much on max... is 20 enough for a loud band and gigging at max? is 50 on max too much for a loud band? thx vm
On full volume the Origin starts acting like it doesn't like life all that much. I'd say you don't need to have it full blast most of the time, unless you're doing outdoor shows on big stages. 20W should be enough imo, unless you have a drummer who beats the living daylights out of his drums.
@@MrPolevaulter...i had a mig 100h for decades ,from mybmetal days...never ran it above 6n6 , even then crazy loud...origin 20...i run 3watts at home ,but thats loud enough for a small club...on 20w?yeah its loud enough on half n half ,to give you ear damage...otherwise get roadie to mic it up...
Well partly, but not exactly. The DSL is more it's own thing, whereas the Origin kind of aims to be a Plexi type thing. That's basically the way I've understood it.
I think it's not a shame to buy an affordable amp if it sounds good. To me buying an used Plexi is always risky, because of aesthetics and technical reasons. If you consider electrolytic capacitors can last more or less 15 years... you can image you'll have to replace them all, when you'll receive your old tube amp. In case you already own one... keep it!
Elmo Karjalainen I would use the DSL for lead solos and metal stuff, and the origin for classic rock. Maybe it would be more versatile if I get those two, I don’t know...
I think the harsh and fizzy thing you’ve heard with the origin is related to the stock tubes which I assume you’ve used in this video? The EL34 are ok, but the preamp tubes need to be swapped immediately for something smoother and stable. I like an all JJ Preamp, because even with loads of gain they stay tight and fat.
Thank you Elmo! I recently purchased an Origin 20 and I agree with everything you said about it so I sent it back. It just didn’t do what I think a Marshall should do! So I sold some stuff and my wife let me purchase the SV20 Mini Plexi and man does it sing!!! I love it!!! It has tons more drive than the Origin! I’m also using a volume pot in the effects loop, the JHS Little Black Box. I also want to try a good attenuator so I can get the power section to sing too! Loving it all so far! Thanks for your reviews!
Hey Elmo, great video and awesome playing! Thinking about getting an Origin 50, looking for that Plexi thing , pushing power amps versus high gain pre amp, and hoping to ad it alongside my DSL100HR. Does the do that and is it a keeper for you? I found the DSL od 1 and 2 channels unable to handle the Malmsteen overdrive with a Malmsteen strat like you experienced in the DSL 20 video. How does the Origin react? Thank you!
@@MrPolevaulter thanks for the answer! It is hard to have an answer when a channel is that good!! Keep going! That video and answer, made me buy the marshall origin! I’m literally waiting for mine to come! Thanks a lot for the answer that you gave to me (again)!! Cheers!!
I also ordered the Origin 50, should be here Monday!! Thank you Elmo for all the wonderful demos, you really helped me decide that this is a worthy purchase. Cheers from southern Mississippi 🍻
@@CalitranoN Probably, although the drummer is the one who determines how loud the band is. If he has big drums, and hits hard, the rest of you can't be quiet :D
Hi Elmo, for me the only similarity between the 2 amps is the logo😃. The 1987 is more dynamic, sounds like a tube amp, even if its darker and less nitid than the other.
I liked the Origin just as much as the other amps. Your comments though are nothing but cork sniffing. A lot of people do wonderful things with the amp.
Thought they both sounded great. 😀 I prefered the Marshall..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 120 db. Yikes. 😂 My ears. 😂 I used to shoot machine guns without ear protection back in the 70s working for an ammunition company, but back then people would say it wasn't permanently damiging. Of course. They were soooo wrong. Huh? 😂 What ya say? Is my most repeated phrase the last few years. 😂 Sounded pretty good to me.. I want to see you do a demo of your axefx vs the plexi and see if you can get a really close match...
Nice one! Monster amps and monster guitarist! Thanks for that Elmo. I have to agree, the plexi sounds better but the origin is good too, especially for the price. And nice t-shirt
Great Demo as always! I bought a slightly blemished floor model of the Origin 50H and got a great deal on it, mainly bought as a backup for my Studio Vintage 20H. You said you didn't think the Origin 20 would be able to hang with the band your in, how does that compare to the SV20H as far volume is concerned?
Now that's some ripping like I like to see on a review yeah 👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥 when it's making you happy baby that's all it takes I probably would've been laughing and having fun too LOL🤣
I own a 1987x 50 watter. Lemme tell ya, I get all kinds of sweet amazing Marshall tones outta that bad boy! I play it thru a Carvin 4x12 stereo cab with greenbacks. My setup blows away a Mesa 50 watt recto running v30’s. So I know the origin don’t stand a freaking chance! 😂😂😂😂
I like your videos dude but I still don't get why karjabalajajaliaialjnen should be hard to pronounce. JK keep up the good work. I think I will stick to this guy.
how much is labour in vietnam,and then in england,an id like to see someone diassect all the parts in the plexi,an the origin, of course england is noted for taxes,an they get paid way more than the probable 2 or 3 dollars an hour which is probably what vietnamese get, my 50 watt origin head,done went bad,an was oscillating,an now my mini jubilee at over 1300.00 dam dollars is not right eighther as i wait on them to give me a refund....i love the looks,an i have a 93 model,...1987x plexi reissue im afraid of,it sounds way incredible,an will bring the house down,an there around 2000.00 used or more.....made in england.
I love your reviews. As an owner of Origin 50H, I can definitely confirm it is loud as f$%k and has far more volume than I will ever need. However, it has a power reduction switch which really does a great job so the amp can be pushed hard at lower volumes. Personally, I think the Origin 50H is a great amp that provides far more in terms of sound than what is worth for its price tag. To have a full-sized EL34 head with effects loop and Marshall label under 600 euros is a case that is very difficult to beat. However, in reviews, I think there is a big injustice made to these amps because they are often perceived as a "poor man's plexi" and somewhat expected to perform as 2000 $+ boutique Marshall heads and are judged through these lenses. I think it is fair to say that Origin is Origin and Plexi is a Plexi. Origin has its own thing going and is a Marshall amp on its own...nowhere did Marshall officially state that this is budget plexi or made comparisons like that. It should be valued for what it is and not for what it is perceived it could or should be. Just my 2 cents. Great review as always, Elmo! ;-)
You might be on to something there. Cheers :)
Thanks for that comment. I am strongly considering entering in to my first Marshall and the Origin seems to fit my budget and needs. Undecided on the 50 or the 20. I gig around but in more of a bar setting but a couple mid sized stages as well.
I have the Origin 20C, it’s plenty damned loud enough through the one 10” speaker, I can only imagine how loud that 50H is through a 4x12. I haven't been brave enough to try the 20C through my old Randall 4x12 yet.
@@corneliuscrewe677 I am interested, the Gain knob - on which setting do you have it? - in relation to the master volume knob?
@@scottnoricsson2023 Most of the time I run the Master volume at about 2 or 3 o’clock, and the gain from about noon to 3. Sometimes I run the gain really low when I’m noodling. I have since then run it in the 4x12, holy crap it is loud!! I don’t know how much clean headroom you’d have with a band, though.
I have an origin 50 running thru a 4x12 with v30’s and that took care of the fizzy sound. And yeah that little monster has some volume.
Cool :)
Do you think now it gets even closer to the Plexi with the cab/speakers? $500 to 2500? i mean you blow up a $500 on the road buy a new one and can get one easily lol.
SEMPER FIDELIS BROTHER.
I love my origin 50h. Got rid of the fizz completely with a power cap upgrade, and then swapped preamp tubes for tungsol 12ax7rs and rebiased it to run kt66 power tubes... for only a few bucks, there was a dramatic improvement over the stock version which is already a fantastic ( and super LOUD) amp. Considered a transformer upgrade but I honestly like it exactly how it is now.
What’s a power cap upgrade?
@@TheZooberman replacement of the power capacitors. The factory ones are kind of cheap and upgrading them to a higher quality makes a noticable difference.
rowdy johnson right on thanks man
rowdy johnson I realize there’s not a standard price, but what was the cost of that cap replacement (assuming you had it done by a tech). Thanks!
What do those KT66s do for the sound? I was thinking about doing the same thing
The low end on the vintage Marshall seemed a little flubby, and a little tighter on the origin. The origin seems to have a plexi drive with a more 800 style eq. Thanks for the great video!
Cheers!
Tube vs. Solid State rectification would be my guess for the difference in low end response.
@@joehahn8817 - both amps have ss rectifiers. All Marshalls have SS rectifiers. The only exceptions are the earlier versions of the JTM 45 and JTM 45 reissues.
Thanks for the videos you have done on the Origin! I'm currently researching the amp and I am strongly considering entering into the Marshall world and this seems to fit my budget and needs.
Glad I could help!
I just bought an origin 50 today and instantly fell in love with it.
I came for the amp tones, stayed for the awesome playing. Nice work, sir.
Cool, thanks!
Just bought an Origin 50...before watching this vid. Thanks for a great head-to-head. Awesome, dude!
Cool banans! Thanks :)
Love my origin 20h. Love the hell out of it. Running it on 3w setting to push the volume really makes it pop and honestly makes it so much more accessible to use at home hahaha
Glad you enjoy it!
@@MrPolevaulter Glad you demoed it so well!
I thoroughly enjoyed this as I am looking into the Origin and wanted Honest Opinions. Great playing and information, I’ll be back 👍
Glad you liked it 👍
Having played an origin 50h now myself, I'd totally recommend it for beautiful cleans to classic rock.
The origin sounded a helluva lot better imo
With the greatest of respect you are an expert on decibels my friend.
In live performance on big stages, the sound engineer if the amps are going to be at high volumes, he adjusts the volume according to the tone that the guitarist is looking for at a specific volume and places the amps far and away from the stage. in order to be able to make the mix on the stage monitors and the sound that comes out to the public.
For that reason I have never had to use my amp at full volume and my 50 head orgin sounds spectacular.
and obviously in indor places like clubs ext. you will never need a higher volume than level 5, and even less on a plexi
I have a JTM plexi and a 50wt Origin and the Origin just never ceases to amaze me, especially considering it's modest price and lowly status among afficianados (read, cork sniffers).
I know alot of poeple who are not cork sniffers who dislike the origin. It's called preference.
Calling poeple names because they have different tastes and preferences is childish and petty
@@adamwatson6916 It gets unreasonably trashed by snobs who probably have never even played through one. If all you've done is voiced a preference, the statement didn't include you. Corksniffer isn't much of an insult BTW, grow a skin.
@rocknroll1973 It holds it's own. It's a little brighter, tighter gain structure, cleans are decent but hard to beat JTM cleans considering the tweed heritage. Doesn't quite have the depth or harmonic range as the JTM but I also have old glass and vintage spec transformers in the JTM.
@rocknroll1973 When I had it built, my tech added the split cathode and bright cap push/pull, as well as a tube/SS rectifier switch. The later Black Flags were SS rectified and I wanted the other two things to tighten the bass up a bit in order for the amp to cover more ground.
What I meant about the vintage spec trannies was that my JTM50 was built as a clone and when sourcing the transformers I found a couple that are built to the old Drake specs. I also got NOS preamp tubes, including a 60's Mullard for V1. The thing just sings!
@rocknroll1973 Speakers are down the line for me. I have a crappy low end 2X12 that gets the job done but I do want some Celestions. The Heritage seem like a good buy, I've also noticed people selling old Celestions online. Saw a pair of early 70's 30Wt that were priced fair.
Can't afford them yet though as I am in the middle of buying parts for another plexi build. Right now just using ir's through studio monitors and headphones.
Killer! That origin sounds great to me and it shows there is nothing like a cranked tube amp!! Fantastic playing 🤘🤘
Impressed how good the origin sounds.
I actually use and own both but the Origin 50h more due to ears and being indoors and all. Love the 1987xl more though. The Origin 50h is hard to beat in value and tone!
Hey how is a good way to tame the volume on these loud amps? Have you tried one of those JohnH attentuators?
@@vin9976 get a tone king attenuator or buy a 1x12 amp with volume switch, some have 1w,5w,and then 12/15w. That’s a good thing. Origin does it in their 1x12 but I’m a Femder fan now, highly highly highly recommend the pro junior Iv tweed, their cheap. If you want better a 68 Princeton is hard to beat.
Elmo, you are a brave brave person sitting that close to a 50 watt Marshall at full volume! Kudos dude! Both amps sound fantastic. The Plexi is a personal favourite of mine (my custom built 69 Plexi is so awesome) and it has that fatness, girth and fullness. To my ears the bass gets a little loose on that amp. The origin is a real surprise. Not as fat sounding, but low end of tighter, and there is more pronounced high freqs which causes that slight fizz. I kinda preferred it for the Malmsteen rhythms - sound3d tighter - lead tones both cool but Plexi takes it for its fullness. Have an awesome day.
You too 👍
Siempre ayudándome con algún review de un futuro regalo de navidad 😂
Loving this not so subtle comparison! Crank her up Elmo! 😊
Thanks :)
Thx! I prefer the plexi, but nice to hear both side by side.
Both sound great, but the Plexi sounded more greaterer. Greatissimo maximo.
I believe that dB levels are measured at 3 feet, so if you have your meter twice that distance, as I think you said 2 metres, your volume is a little higher than what you thought. But I guess, loud is loud, and when you're up around 110-120 decibels it doesn't really matter (to our ears anyway).
Let's see if I can wrap my head round this-
Plexi style power, with higher gain pre amp to drive the tubes, plus an 800 style eq.
Great video, great playing! I was looking at the origin 20, but for a few dollars more I could have the 50. I like the sound of the 50 better. Thank you Elmo!
And thank you :)
Elmo is among the most likeable guys making guitar amp reviews on the entire TH-cam Channel.
Thanks 😊
Hi Elmo, I bought an Origin 50h. I've owned just about every classic Marshall model worth owning, and I noticed that fizziness too, but I figured out how to get rid of that. The origin seems to work much more like a plexi if you drive the back end a little harder than the front. Also the tone controls are alot more sensitive, and have more range that a plexi. So here is my formula-
Master- 9
Presence-1
Treble- 3
Middle -3
Bass-3
Preamp-8
Tilt- 6
Boost- off
It is also worth mentioning that the Powerstream power scaling works great. Those setting work great across all power settings. Also the cabinets I'm using are a Marshall 1960AHW, and a Marshall 425B Vintage/ Modern.
Cheers!
Hi Elmo, here is an update on my Origin 50h. I had it for less than 45 days, and smoked the output transformer! Luckily I had 4 days left to return it. The budget plexi to go with is the Bugera 1960 Infinium. I've owned one for several years, and never had any issues. Also it is without a dought one of the best sounding, feature rich amps I have ever owned regardless of cost! My only recommendation with the 1960 is make sure your speakers can handle the power. 150 watts RMS is a conservative rating. It is louder than my Major!
@@seyringheat Sorry to hear.
@@seyringheat man I had a bug era 1960 infinitum that I loved until it started overheating and shutting down until a couple hours later when it would cool down and you could turn it on again. Huge bummer, made it unusable for shows
@ seyringheat,, which better couples you think between : origin with 1960 cab vs origin 425? I'm looking forward my new origin with 425,, curious if it's better match. Btw,, why your transformer blew up? 100w cab is enough to handle 50w origin
I can understand concluding that the plexi is better for metal tones. But if you live anywhere from clean to overdriven, I think the origin will yield plenty of classic Marshall vibes for the average consumer who would be shopping in the origins price range anyhow.
They both sounded incredible. And you shred!!!!!
Cheers!
Thank you for sharing your other channel!
In my opinion the origin sounds a tiny bit better cause it seems to be less dull and more brown sounding
Origin is ok . But the player .... wow man excellent ! A very nice comparison of 2 good Marshall amps new and old . Cool vid , bro .
Thanks a lot! :)
Am I the only one that would prefer the origin by a long shot? I don't think one is actually better than the other, it's what sound do you prefer?
I just demoed the Origin 50 for a long time today. It’s like a JTM plexi with all that spank and character. The 1987 is on the opposite end, a hotrodded super lead sorta thing. Glassy up top and wooley…but it’s not that same JTM spank tho. That Origin is pretty great for that! It’s cool and amazing for the price, especially used lol. The combo sounded great too. I think the 50w is the way tho… the little cheap transformers in the studios and origins have sounded thin to me. A lot of the complaints about origins are related to that I think
Awesome video I bought a cheap Marshall 100 watt tube amp it’s crazy loud, way too loud for the room I’m in now. I’m thinking that origin 50 might be the way to go. Thanks
Yep. They can get quite loud :D
@ James.... i was in the same boat (I have a DSL100H running into a 1960 Lead). I purchased a Bugera PS1 (attenuator) for $100 and it gave me the option of really cranking the tubes on the amp without peeling the paint off the walls. A really really well spent $100. I also have the Origin 50.... it has it's own built in attenuator ..... you can play it at 50, 10, or 5 watts.... but even the 5 watts is REALLY loud. hope that helps.
Imo, hit it with the right boost and it'll be much harder to tell the amps apart. Maybe new tubes etc. It's kinda crazy that you can get in the ball park of the plexi at such a reasonable price. Marshall have done a terrific job on this amp and the dual super lead series as well. Also as always killer playing Elmo.
Cheers!
Wingnut Valvestem would be proud. 🤟
I can't believe the original plexi was a little harsher sounding than the origin.🤔
Haha :D Wingnut Valvestem :D
just curious if you upgraded the tubes?. i bought an Origin 20 head and a tube upgrade was like night and day. awesome demo. in Canada, there is about a $2000 difference for a plexi or $800 more for the SV.. for most of us, the origin plays the part well enough
No. Original tubes.
@@MrPolevaulter honestly, just swap out the V1 and try it again..whatever tubes Marshall used totally compress the sound..still wont make it a plexi, but it but a $20 upgrade brings you that much closer., cheers
@@robd754 Already sold it.
@@MrPolevaulter Original tubes are very bad, terrible, harsh and fizzy...
I vote origin on this one. Great video, thank you.
Cheers!
The dislikes are grunge fans...
:D
wha- what??
Grunge is cheap.
Seems like the Origin holds it's own pretty good until you start playing above 320bpm.
Then it starts losing articulation and gets kinda raspy. Love them Yngwie jams man!!!
Cheers!
5:45 I can imagine its from those moments where a guy back from the camera's say's ".. Is he gonna talk about the amp? " and the other one say's " NO no no, let him finish..."
I have the same issue, some hiss, when i push the origin with the EVH overdrive., i'm thinking maybe the tubes should be changed?
Nothing wrong with it. It's normal. A noise gate will solve it.
@@MrPolevaulter Got IT! if you overload the front end, with a dist/OD, boss EQ ge-7 mid boost, and the origin has presence to 8 an treble to 7 or 8 back them off, also the tilt up to like 3 o'clock, very high back it off, else you get a hiss, and it will cut out... yes stop playing, the amp can't handle either the treble or the gain... the tilt maybe the issue. FYI for all. Its not the tubes.
I have an Origin 50C on the way. This comparison really helped me decide I didn't need a plexi.
If I need more than the Origin, there's always other options.
Cheers!
2:59 Origin
5:43 Plexi
I preferred the fullness of the plexi but the origin did ok
Awesome MARSHALL POWER ! ! Maybe using the same Tubes / Valves in both Amps would get the Tone -Volume identical !
having the same speaker will do more than having the same tubes.
@@riffsnoleads Indeed ! But i changed the Preamp ( v1) 12ax7 Marshall labeled tube with a different one ( TAD other manufacturer ) & it changed the gain stage too !
@@motorrebell it likely just had slightly more output gain than the tube that was in there. I would be willing to bet a modern JJ 12ax7 could get the same results.
I bought the origin 50h. In my opinion is great.. Not really big difference with yjm100
You really should be using hearing protection at such high volume. You can damage your hearing and think you're fine and not have any symptoms until a few years later, long after the damage has already been done. I don't know about you, but as a music lover, self inflicted deafness isn't high on my list of priorities.
You're right of course.
Pardon?
@@WibblyWobblyBob About half eleven.
I'm guessing the "kind of clean" tones got cut out 🤷♂️
Ear plugs anyone? Great review. Nothing wrong with either amp IMHO.
Yep. Get ear plugs when using these amps :D
Do you have a comparison to Marshall 1987X to Marshall JCM 2000 50w ?
Nope, sorry.
Prefer the Marshall Origin 50 Watt
I ll go for the Ori 50
Is awesome
Plexi 87 more for pro or wealthy guys
Me simple aficionado!
The Origin 50 is in between a jmp and a jcm800 and a plexi ... it has sounds and tones similar to all those but also its own thing ... people have the bad habit of expecting cork sniffer tones out of cheap amps ... there is a reason some amp sell for 3000$ US and some others 500$, its all about expectation and how much premade ideas are worth. Tone chasing is a sickness and we all know it, some people are more sick than others and convince themselves that shelling out thousands of dollars is always better and justified.
it's in the hands and in your head. if you have your thing going on as a player, and know how to play with gear to make it do what you want -> you spend a LOT less money than some hairspray commercial with a mouth full of hubba bubba.
A jmp and a plexi are the same amp. Different faceplate... jcm has master volume and a gain stage in the preamp
Great review Elmo I like the origin 50 but I think i would go for the 1987x its just a better amp .I have a jvm 205 h 50 watt head that sounds pretty damn good but nothing sounds like a plexi to me except a plexi . I can hear the difference in the mid range snarl . For the money and at lower volume the origin would do . But for giggin I would go with the 1987x
hi , thx for the vid elmo .. question: so master and gain needs to be pretty much on max... is 20 enough for a loud band and gigging at max? is 50 on max too much for a loud band? thx vm
On full volume the Origin starts acting like it doesn't like life all that much. I'd say you don't need to have it full blast most of the time, unless you're doing outdoor shows on big stages. 20W should be enough imo, unless you have a drummer who beats the living daylights out of his drums.
@@MrPolevaulter...i had a mig 100h for decades ,from mybmetal days...never ran it above 6n6 , even then crazy loud...origin 20...i run 3watts at home ,but thats loud enough for a small club...on 20w?yeah its loud enough on half n half ,to give you ear damage...otherwise get roadie to mic it up...
So, basically... The origin is kinda like Plexi sound and the DSL is more like a JCM800? Is that it?
Well partly, but not exactly. The DSL is more it's own thing, whereas the Origin kind of aims to be a Plexi type thing. That's basically the way I've understood it.
Dsl its more chameleonic.
Origin won the favorite riff test (I don't have to spell it out, you know what it is).
Friends, Is the Original 50 Head Good? Does it tend to give you a lot of Recurring problems?
have had mine for over a year now with no issues and i ride the volume and gain high and hard for long periods of time.
I think it's not a shame to buy an affordable amp if it sounds good. To me buying an used Plexi is always risky, because of aesthetics and technical reasons. If you consider electrolytic capacitors can last more or less 15 years... you can image you'll have to replace them all, when you'll receive your old tube amp. In case you already own one... keep it!
Blazing💫
Mr. Karjalainen, what do you think it's a better option:
Getting the Marshall DSL100HR or getting the DSL20HR & the Origin 50 Head?
What do you need it for?
Elmo Karjalainen I would use the DSL for lead solos and metal stuff, and the origin for classic rock. Maybe it would be more versatile if I get those two, I don’t know...
@@kettenlaiho Just get the Origin and a decent overdrive for solos
Hi elmo try reviewing the combo version of the origin 50 thanks!
Bee thinking of reviewing one of the combo versions. Might be a smaller one though.
What do you think, for playing RHCP Frusciante tones on a budget in a band, would you reccomend the Origin 50 or 20 or something else?
I think the harsh and fizzy thing you’ve heard with the origin is related to the stock tubes which I assume you’ve used in this video?
The EL34 are ok, but the preamp tubes need to be swapped immediately for something smoother and stable. I like an all JJ Preamp, because even with loads of gain they stay tight and fat.
Sounds great, you need a little air in your riffs but still entertaining.
The 50 watts version it's better compared to the 20 watts?
Thank you Elmo! I recently purchased an Origin 20 and I agree with everything you said about it so I sent it back. It just didn’t do what I think a Marshall should do! So I sold some stuff and my wife let me purchase the SV20 Mini Plexi and man does it sing!!! I love it!!! It has tons more drive than the Origin! I’m also using a volume pot in the effects loop, the JHS Little Black Box. I also want to try a good attenuator so I can get the power section to sing too! Loving it all so far! Thanks for your reviews!
Yeah, the SV20 is absolutely great :)
Hey Elmo, great video and awesome playing! Thinking about getting an Origin 50, looking for that Plexi thing , pushing power amps versus high gain pre amp, and hoping to ad it alongside my DSL100HR. Does the do that and is it a keeper for you?
I found the DSL od 1 and 2 channels unable to handle the Malmsteen overdrive with a Malmsteen strat like you experienced in the DSL 20 video.
How does the Origin react?
Thank you!
The Origin handled it fairly well, but at high volumes it got a bit weird. I didn't understand a part of your question. Is which amp a keeper?
@@MrPolevaulter thank you for getting back to me! Sorry, my question is were you impressed enough with the Origin 50 to keep it?
@@X9Eric No. I already had two Plexis, so the Origin had to go.
hey elmo, what song is the riff at 5:44 from?
"I'll See The Light Tonight" by Yngwie Malmsteen.
Hi Elmo!! I’m planning to buy a origin 50h. How loud is it (db)? Is it clearly listenable in a middle of a jam with a drum, a bass and another guitar?
More than loud enough. I measured 120db when I made the video.
@@MrPolevaulter thanks for the answer! It is hard to have an answer when a channel is that good!! Keep going! That video and answer, made me buy the marshall origin! I’m literally waiting for mine to come! Thanks a lot for the answer that you gave to me (again)!! Cheers!!
@@goncalopinto8963 No problem 😊
I also ordered the Origin 50, should be here Monday!! Thank you Elmo for all the wonderful demos, you really helped me decide that this is a worthy purchase. Cheers from southern Mississippi 🍻
Hi Whats the brand of your Pickups ? Thanks
YJM pickups
Origin sounds more focused. Plexi more muddy.
Play Loud !!
Yep :D
Tone wise what do you prefer The bugera 1960 or the Marshall Origin 50H ????
Probably the Bugera.
So you would suggest the 50 watt origin instead of the 20 watt if i wanted to use it to practice, jam and play gigs?
Yep. Depends on how loud you need it to be.
@@MrPolevaulter playing classic 80s metal with 2nd guitarist... soo...
@@CalitranoN Probably, although the drummer is the one who determines how loud the band is. If he has big drums, and hits hard, the rest of you can't be quiet :D
Hi Elmo, for me the only similarity between the 2 amps is the logo😃. The 1987 is more dynamic, sounds like a tube amp, even if its darker and less nitid than the other.
Thanks for the video since I considered buyin' an origin.
Glad to be of help :)
You video helped convince me to try the Origin.
The Origin 50C was better than I expected.
Now, I also have an Origin 50H with two 4x12 Origin cabs.
😁
The Plexi was beautiful !!!
I liked the Origin just as much as the other amps. Your comments though are nothing but cork sniffing. A lot of people do wonderful things with the amp.
If you're comparing two amps, why are there three amps there?
Thought they both sounded great. 😀 I prefered the Marshall..😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
120 db. Yikes. 😂 My ears. 😂
I used to shoot machine guns without ear protection back in the 70s working for an ammunition company, but back then people would say it wasn't permanently damiging. Of course. They were soooo wrong. Huh? 😂 What ya say? Is my most repeated phrase the last few years. 😂
Sounded pretty good to me..
I want to see you do a demo of your axefx vs the plexi and see if you can get a really close match...
Cheers :)
I actually sold my Axe-FX. Might make a video about that.
@@MrPolevaulter ah. Interesting..
They sound pretty close. 1987 a little warmer and complex. Awesome demo
Thanks!
Nice one! Monster amps and monster guitarist! Thanks for that Elmo. I have to agree, the plexi sounds better but the origin is good too, especially for the price. And nice t-shirt
Cheers Mat :)
Great Demo as always! I bought a slightly blemished floor model of the Origin 50H and got a great deal on it, mainly bought as a backup for my Studio Vintage 20H. You said you didn't think the Origin 20 would be able to hang with the band your in, how does that compare to the SV20H as far volume is concerned?
Never compared the two, so I'm not sure. Maybe the SV20 was a tad louder, or at least handled high volumes better.
it took me 2 seconds to realize the caps in that old plexi are shot.
sounds like fucking shit.
$50 in parts and a soldering iron man!
Yeah. It sound like shit.
The origin's box is too small, less is less, lol.
Elmo, you make my day.
Now that's some ripping like I like to see on a review yeah 👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥 when it's making you happy baby that's all it takes I probably would've been laughing and having fun too LOL🤣
Thanks :)
Neighter are any good.Just get an early 70,s 50 wattter(point to point wiring)with the laydown transformer and the search is over.
THIS GUY!!! He's great!!! Is the decibel meter calibrated? Just kidding!!! Hahaha. Thanks for all your reviews.
What drive pedal?
Strymon Sunset.
Great playing and thanks
@@chasingtone5748 Thanks :)
110 - 120 dB(A) ... is just crazy. Watch out !
Yep :D
I own a 1987x 50 watter. Lemme tell ya, I get all kinds of sweet amazing Marshall tones outta that bad boy! I play it thru a Carvin 4x12 stereo cab with greenbacks. My setup blows away a Mesa 50 watt recto running v30’s. So I know the origin don’t stand a freaking chance! 😂😂😂😂
Yep :)
sounds like evh
I’m not going to buy the Origin or a vintage Plexi. I am going to sell all my guitars, sell all my amps. I give up. Ill never play like this.
Don't do that. Have fun with it regardless of level. Oh, and buy a Plexi. It's so loud, no one will care if you can play :D
Elmo Karjalainen Dude, Haha I went ahead and bought the Origin. No way I can afford a Plexi. Thanks man
@@ELMENDORFX Cool :)
I actually liked the sound of the origin better!!!
I like your videos dude but I still don't get why karjabalajajaliaialjnen should be hard to pronounce. JK keep up the good work. I think I will stick to this guy.
Cheers :)
Ok - KO!
:)
how much is labour in vietnam,and then in england,an id like to see someone diassect all the parts in the plexi,an the origin, of course england is noted for taxes,an they get paid way more than the probable 2 or 3 dollars an hour which is probably what vietnamese get, my 50 watt origin head,done went bad,an was oscillating,an now my mini jubilee at over 1300.00 dam dollars is not right eighther as i wait on them to give me a refund....i love the looks,an i have a 93 model,...1987x plexi reissue im afraid of,it sounds way incredible,an will bring the house down,an there around 2000.00 used or more.....made in england.
Dont you know clean tones???
Clean? Never heard of it 🤔