I have a question, I have Origin 50 combo... you put presence and treble at max (okay, you set tilt at 5) - how come it's not harsh and fizzy? I have that problem with my Origin...
It's probably the speaker, I use the Torpedo Cab M with the simulation of a Bogner 4x12 loaded with greenbacks. For my taste, greenback speakers are the way to go with Marshall amps
@@TheGuitalian sounds great! I just got one. What settings are you on for your opening lead solo? Sounds perfect! Also, have you tried the fx loop? Mine drops volume dramatically and doesn’t sound good at all. It actually works better as a volume booster for solos if I only put a clean boost pedal in the loop. Otherwise, it’s useless
Most of your tone comes from pedals which you covered very briefly. I wish you would talk more about which pedals you are using and where are you connecting, front or back? I bought an Origin 50H and it doesn't sound like most of your tone. Thanks
The tone you got at the 5:00 mark is a great tone. Especially, for a sub $500 20watt amp. The kids on a budget, or even adults wanting a bedroom amp are in a GREAT era of gear. Absolutely, nothing wrong with this amp. And, if you're good with a soldering iron, Headfirst made this amp sound beyond spectacular. Watch that video, and you won't believe your ears, and what's actually possible with a 20w amp.
Great review! I think the idea of an amp like this being for a "mature" player is a really great point. I remember as a kid playing through someone's single channel classic Marshall. I had no idea how to handle the amp and why the older guy I was jamming with sounded so much better on the very same setup. I hadn't yet developed those dynamics, pick attack, or *feel* that can really bring the best out of a low gain single channel amp.
Just got to play a 20 watt combo. I agree with the review completely. I think the best way to describe the amp is touch sensitive in the manner of Joe Bonamassa, Roben Ford, or Larry Carlton. Using the guitar volume and tone knobs and pick attack changes the sound dramatically. Want clean-ish? Back off the volume and your attack. Want more gain? Harder attack and more volume. Want more still? Take your choice of boost, over drive, distortion, or fuzz pedals. Most pedals were designed around these amps to begin with.
I like the amp, I have the 50 watt combo but I removed the amp from the speaker cabinet and I have it installed in a head cabinet on its own. I have a Randall for Metal, for everything else this Marshall does the trick. To optimize the gain, I have an attenuator. That way I can keep the volume at a reasonable level. None the less I like the tone, distorted or clean.
Your English is ace! I have owned the combo for two yrs. This is the best review and most descriptive I’ve seen. Well done you ! And by way, you are right ….. this amp rocks!
The 20 doesn't work for smaller clubs ? I was thinking about buying one soon. So I'm glad I read in the comments. So you think the 50 is best choice for me ?
@@stormyweather2837 The 20 should work for smaller club gigs. I generally have to use my 50 on the lowest power setting through my 2x12 cab and it is still painfully loud.
I was told by Marshall that the Origin 20 and 50 are both A/B circuits, both use 3ea 12ax7's and 2ea EL34's, but the 20 puts out much less power because it's power-tubes run at a much lower voltages, and so will see longer power-tube life. and a pedal platform, I like it! and I have well over 30 vintage tube amps!
Finally someone who knows how to handle this amp^^ So many "reviews" where they dont really are able to get good tones out. I have it myself since 2 years, its really versatile. I use it for Hendrix stuff nostly but it can do a lot. The only downside for e is that its abnormal loud. Even on 5 Watt, it wont be possible to play alone/without the whole village listening in.^^
Great playing! I love my Origin 20H. Best amp i’ve had ( and i’ve had a few....). Putting an EQ pedal in front is the way to go for a more aggressive tone.
I run my Boss G7 Eq pedal thru my Bugera G5 (5 watt!!) in the FX loop, yes, and it sounds monster!! But this Marshall 20h with a EQ pedal would probably sound incredible...
@@gretzkyan sure. An EQ pedal would get you full control over all frequencies - much more than you could on the EQ section of the amp. When you boost the volume on the EQ pedal (when the amp is already overdriving) you will push the tubes even further, and get a more aggressive drive-tone. Try it! The Boss GE-7 is cheap and does the job.
Awesome review! Thanks for the video, Sir! Your review helped me to pull the trigger on buying the ORI20H head. I also purchased the MX212AR cabinet. They have been a joy for me.
@@stormyweather2837 works great for me. so much so that I now also have a full stack Origin 50H + 2 Origin 4x12 cabs. I can get JTM 45, JTM45/100 and early '70s SLP tones I want from the Origin. The key for me is to get the power section going; I have the presence max, and master at 8+. Cheers!
I'm trying to find someone showing that percussive bass, plexi tone that Eddie got when doing muted runs. This one is promising starts with a striped series, me like.
Great video. You did a very good job of demoing all the sounds you can get out of this thing. I love my Marshall Origin. I think it’s my favorite amp that I own, and I own 3 tube amps.
Ciao! bellissimo video, come sempre..una domanda, la DI out suona decentemente (per studio a casa) secondo te? è utilizzabile senza attaccare una cassa? ha una load box interna ?
Had the 20 but got rid of it and am now considering getting another one and modding it. The cleans are really good on this amp as well as a basic / lighter crunch rhythm for classic rock when pushed, but the circuit just didn't have enough gain in it when I need to get up into that seering solo territory to cut through the mix. "Headfirst Amplification" in Australia created a JCM mod for this thing that sounds AMAZING which I'm now considering...
@@joshmuz9018 Not yet. I have two other amps ahead of it; one is a hand wired 50 watt Marshall 1986 Bass Head clone. I'm having the Metropolous Zero Loss effects loop installed right now. The next one is a Trainwreck Express clone that will get the same mod done to it, then I'll buy a 20 and have the mod done. If you have a 20 I would go ahead do it but make sure you have a loop installed as well.
@@joshmuz9018 When you get it back, please post a review here in the comments. This video is convincing but it's always good to have other opinions. The main advantage I see with modding the 20 is a lower overall output volume which allows you to get fully up into the power section of the amp w/out blowing everyone out. That is always the challenge when you're playing smaller venues
Im not liking that the valves and pots are PCB mounted, my 79 Marshall mk 2 master vol combos are still gigging with no problems, im not too sure how long the origin will last though.
I haven't heard any particular complain on reliability so far, however it's really affordable, so I'm not sure about stressing it too much like in a tour
I had the combo version of this amp, the gain interacted weird with the volume, it also got a lot of hiss with high volume, and a buzzy sounding speaker, maybe it was just the one I had.
For me, the one I had did not break up and saturate like my Plexi replica. It was kind of brittle in the high end and losse in the low end, which would be by design. It would have been good for a edge of break up dynamic tone though, especially at the price. My Plexi sounds quite old school, but the O20H was even more old school like early JTM I guess. I just ordered a mini Silver Jubilee head for more modern tones and will not mod the Plexi to do Jose mod type sounds, so I have both (I think if I mod the Plexi to do more modern sounds I might lose some of the Plexi-ness, so I will leave it alone). Italian huh? My dad's family were from there. Brescia where they had been for over 1000 years after travelling all the way from Bergamo lol. They moved to England in exile during the revolution. We are in NZ now. We mostly forgot the lingo, but not the cooking and eating.
@@unabonger777 Yeah, I have a bunch of old Mullards in NOS condition, plus some old 6CA7s etc. However, providing the tubes are working as designed, they do not make a huge difference brand to brand etc. Far more of the tone and character of an amp is in the circuit design and component values etc. Check out the changes this Aussie fella makes to the circuit to get it to sound more like a hot rod JCM800, which the OR20 does not really do due to the circuit being so different to classic ones, i.e. OR20 does not have same the preamp stages, plus it is not fixed bias. Tube changes ain't going fix that. th-cam.com/video/Q_hiXjOS1Y8/w-d-xo.html
@@aquilarossa5191 In my experience tubes can be the difference between sounding good or not. Yeah, if you don't like the character of the amp tubes won't help. You aren't going to get power tube saturation out of a pair of EL34 running at 20 watts anyway, so the tone of this amp must be in the pre-amp. I don't see anything better at this price range, though. It sounds pretty good.
@@unabonger777 I am not too familiar with the exact points of clipping in a OR20, but generally you can get a pair of EL34s to clip in a low power config. A common way is called power scaling, or voltage mods. It reduces the clean headroom of the valve, so it saturates earlier. That's how builders get power amp saturation out of lots of amps that have a low power mode. The principle can be seen in reverse with higher voltage. Clean headroom for a pair of EL34 can be as high as 60 watts, or higher headroom in a 18v overdrive pedal is another example. The FAQs from a mod maker explains it quite well. londonpower.com/power-scaling-faq/
Plexi Tone? on a Marshall? for $650.00? (I just checked that out)..........Man that Bang for the Buck is really, really, really tough to beat. I have a Marshall Vintage Modern, which is JTM45 Style as it uses KT66s........and it's an amazing sounding amp, but I really want to have the Hendrix EL34 type of tone so I was thinking on saving money for a Studio Vintage (which costs 3 Times this), but after seen this video I NEED TO REEVALUATE. Great Playing, great playing. 🎸🎸🎸
IIRC, early Hendrix was JTM 45/100, which was Marshall's first 100W (actually 80W but peaks close to 100?), and also used KT66. It was 68 or 69, maybe late 67 when he switched to the Super 100 (EL34). If I got any of this wrong, please correct. JTM 45/100 was used by many in the mid to late 60s, and that's the tone I'm after; hoping my inbound Origin 50C gets me there. If not, next up Ceriatone. Cheers!
@@zoomzoom3950 Yeah, I am not sure though if JTM45/100 made it till the late 60s, my understanding is that by 68 Marshall have switched to Plexis. But you are correct early Hendrix is KT66. Jimi's tone from Monterrey (KT66) is massively different from Albert Hall.
This is the best video. Sounds great. I’ve tried to record mine, I have the origin 50h, but it doesn’t sound very good when i record it, in the recording it doesn’t sound the same way I hear it. I mic the amp, use a 4x12 cab, sure 57 microphone, focusrite 3rd gen interface, epiphone Sg standard, FL studio. I don’t know what is wrong, maybe it’s too loud still at 5w, maybe the mic is too close, maybe it’s my interface, maybe the mic isn’t good enough, I don’t know. Thank you
Hi Don, thanks for your comment. Regarding the recording issue, I don't think it's the gear, unless something is broken. I suggest to you to keep experimenting with the mic placement until you get the sound you want. It's not an easy task cause the mic placement does massive differences on the final sound. Cheers
Awesome demo! I bought one last week and so happy with! But a question: do you add reverb/delay in the fx loop? Because when I put my pedals in the fx loop and crank the master it sounds not very good.. Is that because cranking the master? Thx for your help
No, I use a different setup using the torpedo captor and plugging the fx after the cab simulation. In studio I rarely use an fx loop I don't have any live loud experience with the origin, sorry :)
I have the 20H and it has a noticeable hum even when all knobs are on zero. The hum comes from the speaker and I find it very annoying. I’ve read that it’s a problem with this amp. Is yours humming too?
Hi!🤟I really like this amp but I don't know if the 20w with a 4x12 cab is enough for (hard rock) band practice and smaller gigs or should I go with the 50w head?🤔 I'm mostly playing EVH kinda sounds he's my number one inspiration for everything that goes along with music so... probably i would put the volume on 11😝 Thanks! G
@@TheGuitalian I would buy a PAF style pickup too and then just roll back the volume pot on my guitar for cleans😄 But idk if 20w is enough when it's cranked/50w is too much?🤷
The 20 is right on that edge of being not loud enough but the 50 may be too much. The tone of these amps jump in at high volume. Smaller clubs it would be ok, but with louder/bigger crowds, you might have to mic it. Just depends on where you play. For band practice, it definitely will hold its own. The cranked 20 will get you that tone, but the cranked 50 might be too much
Bonjour, seen them all and i must admit best review so far. Bravo for the work. Must work now to get tones as good as yours from mine. I would like to have your opinion on a head I would like to buy. I want a "fender hotrod deluxe like" 20/or 30watt tube head amp for clean blues and pedal plateform. Do you have any suggestions please? Fender heads are not common, expensive and not as cool looking as marshall heads.. Thank you in advance and Congratz again. A new follower from Bordeaux France.
It depends on the drummer, the speaker you’re using and the sound that you want. If you use a 1X12 with a 20 watt speaker playing super clean funk music with a super loud drummer probably not. If you’re using crunch and lead tones yes, especially with a larger cab and more powerful speakers like v30
Hey man, would this origin 20 be too loud for home use running at 0.5watts? I'm considering this but I want to be able to use this to play at home too. Cab is 2x12 vertical with V30s in it. I could also get a 1x12, would that make a big difference?
It depends on your expectations. If you want a full sound like the one I’m getting on this video, yeah, it will be too loud. The thing is that if you use a 12 inch guitar speaker it will always be loud if you want that typical full guitar sound, especially on lead and crunch tones. That’s why the reactive load + IR is the solution for me. It’s just my opinion of course
@@TheGuitalian Thanks for the answer man! You have any idea how loud would it be? Like extremely loud or just loud that my neighbors would listen to it?
@@TheGuitalian not plexi sounding though, and apparently have the common problem of mismatched channels which makes the shared eq a fail. There is no solution for me for lower cost. I am trying to think of how incandescent make this work for cleans and dirt without too much effing around.
I like them. It just isn't very usable to me because it needs to be run up too loud to sound good and you won't be able to do that with modern stage volume restrictions. They have little to no clean headroom either. I got mine cheap (£250) on a blowout and sold it for £250. I had fun but nowhere near the holy grail.
@@matt926uk1 Seriously though, no I haven't. Couple of reasons: 1. They are in many cases more expensive than my amplifier, sometimes by orders of magnitude. I'm not that rich. 2. I find it distasteful and silly using digital to record analog. There's a reason why we use tube amps and its not because they are practical. I'm sure digital can sound just as good or close enough as makes no difference - but it won't FEEL like analog. That said.. I was talking to Kid Anderson recently on here about his setup in his recent Greeny tribute: th-cam.com/video/gHNB-XYcm_g/w-d-xo.html He's using my favourite amp (a 70's silverface) dimed in to an OX and the recorded sound is all IR. In fact he said he frequently doesn't even use a speaker in the room for recording. I can't deny that sounds great. I just don't like it. :P
@@cgavin1 That Albatross cover does indeed sound great. Fair enough man If it's not your thing. For me, recording at home it's the best option, I can't play too loud but love valve amps, I think they still sound great used like this (slightly better than my helix) but I agree in a perfect situation you'd want to be all analog. I have a captor x and I run various valve amps into it and out through my studio monitors, I think it sounds great and I'm having a lot of fun anyway. I do think it's a bit silly having a valve amp and only turning it up to 1 or 2, that's like buying a ferrari and only driving at 30mph lol. I don't know about the 'feel', it's supposed to be there with them but with latency and everything it's a different experience, not the same as being in the room with a roaring amp and having the guitar and speaker interact.
I disagree %100! This amp is perfect for the greenhorn who luvs classic and classic hard rock. It is simple, luvs pedals and That is Old School my friend! What ever ya want can be had via pedals and processors, using the FX loop! Other amps are more tone specific. This one you can mold to be your own! Me? I front end it with a Bogner Blue Mini Pedal, and run a Lexicon MPX100/110 in the loop, thru a single Celestion G15V-100 Fullback cab or two1x12 Heritage G12H-30 cabs.
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I have a question, I have Origin 50 combo... you put presence and treble at max (okay, you set tilt at 5) - how come it's not harsh and fizzy? I have that problem with my Origin...
It's probably the speaker, I use the Torpedo Cab M with the simulation of a Bogner 4x12 loaded with greenbacks. For my taste, greenback speakers are the way to go with Marshall amps
@@TheGuitalian sounds great! I just got one. What settings are you on for your opening lead solo? Sounds perfect! Also, have you tried the fx loop? Mine drops volume dramatically and doesn’t sound good at all. It actually works better as a volume booster for solos if I only put a clean boost pedal in the loop. Otherwise, it’s useless
You look like an idiot with earrings in both ears Bro, are you a pirate or are you a fruit loop?
Most of your tone comes from pedals which you covered very briefly. I wish you would talk more about which pedals you are using and where are you connecting, front or back? I bought an Origin 50H and it doesn't sound like most of your tone. Thanks
The tone you got at the 5:00 mark is a great tone. Especially, for a sub $500 20watt amp. The kids on a budget, or even adults wanting a bedroom amp are in a GREAT era of gear. Absolutely, nothing wrong with this amp. And, if you're good with a soldering iron, Headfirst made this amp sound beyond spectacular. Watch that video, and you won't believe your ears, and what's actually possible with a 20w amp.
Great review! I think the idea of an amp like this being for a "mature" player is a really great point. I remember as a kid playing through someone's single channel classic Marshall. I had no idea how to handle the amp and why the older guy I was jamming with sounded so much better on the very same setup.
I hadn't yet developed those dynamics, pick attack, or *feel* that can really bring the best out of a low gain single channel amp.
I've owned the combo for a couple years and this is the most accurate review I've seen so far. Well done!
Thanks man, really appreciated!
Just got to play a 20 watt combo. I agree with the review completely. I think the best way to describe the amp is touch sensitive in the manner of Joe Bonamassa, Roben Ford, or Larry Carlton. Using the guitar volume and tone knobs and pick attack changes the sound dramatically. Want clean-ish? Back off the volume and your attack. Want more gain? Harder attack and more volume. Want more still? Take your choice of boost, over drive, distortion, or fuzz pedals. Most pedals were designed around these amps to begin with.
A new Marshall "Classic" amp for sure.
A very nice one indeed
I like the amp, I have the 50 watt combo but I removed the amp from the speaker cabinet and I have it installed in a head cabinet on its own. I have a Randall for Metal, for everything else this Marshall does the trick. To optimize the gain, I have an attenuator. That way I can keep the volume at a reasonable level. None the less I like the tone, distorted or clean.
Your English is ace! I have owned the combo for two yrs. This is the best review and most descriptive I’ve seen. Well done you ! And by way, you are right ….. this amp rocks!
Thanks!
Nailed the Hendrix and Zeppelin tones!
Thanks!
Black sabbath?
I have both the 20w (for my home studio) and 50w (for my live gigs) and they are both amazing amplifiers.
Just uploaded a YT short with the 50!
The 20 doesn't work for smaller clubs ? I was thinking about buying one soon. So I'm glad I read in the comments. So you think the 50 is best choice for me ?
@@stormyweather2837 The 20 should work for smaller club gigs. I generally have to use my 50 on the lowest power setting through my 2x12 cab and it is still painfully loud.
@@davidbrowning6762 awesome thanks for the reply cheers !!
I was told by Marshall that the Origin 20 and 50 are both A/B circuits, both use 3ea 12ax7's and 2ea EL34's, but the 20 puts out much less power because it's power-tubes run at a much lower voltages, and so will see longer power-tube life. and a pedal platform, I like it! and I have well over 30 vintage tube amps!
Finally someone who knows how to handle this amp^^ So many "reviews" where they dont really are able to get good tones out.
I have it myself since 2 years, its really versatile. I use it for Hendrix stuff nostly but it can do a lot.
The only downside for e is that its abnormal loud. Even on 5 Watt, it wont be possible to play alone/without the whole village listening in.^^
Great playing! I love my Origin 20H. Best amp i’ve had ( and i’ve had a few....). Putting an EQ pedal in front is the way to go for a more aggressive tone.
Thanks man! Yeah, the EQ pedal is a nice tool, I should consider using it more often. Cheers!
I run my Boss G7 Eq pedal thru my Bugera G5 (5 watt!!) in the FX loop, yes, and it sounds monster!! But this Marshall 20h with a EQ pedal would probably sound incredible...
Can you explain more?
@@gretzkyan sure. An EQ pedal would get you full control over all frequencies - much more than you could on the EQ section of the amp. When you boost the volume on the EQ pedal (when the amp is already overdriving) you will push the tubes even further, and get a more aggressive drive-tone. Try it! The Boss GE-7 is cheap and does the job.
Hey, thanks for this video! I actually already bought this amp a few weeks ago, but you really showed me how to dial in that Marshall crunch! Sweet!
You're very welcome Frank! Enjoy your new amp!
Awesome review! Thanks for the video, Sir! Your review helped me to pull the trigger on buying the ORI20H head. I also purchased the MX212AR cabinet. They have been a joy for me.
Excellent review! Clear and concise, no fluff. Nice images and explanation. Thanks!
Here in Brasil that "budget amp" equals the price of a vintage jcm in the western world, but: its worth every cent. Waited almost 4 years to buy one.
Great Demo!
I sold my Origin 50H and bought the 20H instead! Don't need all the volume!
I love mine. I use it with a 2X12 with Greenbacks.
Just subscribed. I really like your playing and how in depth you go into the overall settings.
Thanks man, I really appreciate!
Those clean tones sound amazing! Definitely buying one asap
The only accurate review so far! Awsome!
Thanks!
Best evaluation of these amps I have seen, and I have watched a lot.
Thanks
Thanks!
I'm late to the party, I have an Origin 50C on the way.
Good review, demo and tones!
How do you like your 50 I am thinking of getting the 20c cheers
@@stormyweather2837 works great for me. so much so that I now also have a full stack Origin 50H + 2 Origin 4x12 cabs.
I can get JTM 45, JTM45/100 and early '70s SLP tones I want from the Origin.
The key for me is to get the power section going; I have the presence max, and master at 8+.
Cheers!
@@zoomzoom3950 thanks for reply cheers !!
Yep mine sounds like that! I stack a tube screamer and blues driver in front of it and it’s a monster as needed. Great tonz in this review!
Thanks man. Enjoy your amp!
@@TheGuitalian your summary at the end is bang on. An inexperienced electric guitar player will probably find the DSL20H more forgiving.
Agreed
I'm trying to find someone showing that percussive bass, plexi tone that Eddie got when doing muted runs. This one is promising starts with a striped series, me like.
Great video. You did a very good job of demoing all the sounds you can get out of this thing. I love my Marshall Origin. I think it’s my favorite amp that I own, and I own 3 tube amps.
The video that i was waiting for this kind of gear !!!
Best review I've seen on this amp. very helpful, thanks!
Thanks a lot!
Righteous tones.
Great playing, thorough review. Thanks a lot.
Thanks, very appreciated!
Been looking at this amp a lot lately. I feel like it might be perfect for what I'm doing right now. Excellent playing, by the way!
Thank you!
Dude great playing I really love your vibrato
Thanks Peter!
Ottima idea il secondo canale in inglese! Grandissimo
putting a 12 ay7 in V1 will clean up the clean sound and give you more headroom
Great video!! loving this amp at reviews, but i'm a little worried about it's headroom, it's enough to play loud with humbuckers?
If you want a super clean sound I wouldn't be so sure. If you're happy with crunchy sounds I think you're pretty good if you have a nice cab
Ciao! bellissimo video, come sempre..una domanda, la DI out suona decentemente (per studio a casa) secondo te? è utilizzabile senza attaccare una cassa? ha una load box interna ?
I’m planning on buying one! Thanks for the video, it helps me make up my mind
Glad to help!
Great review !! I subscribed Love the Hendrix and Zeppelin tones !! What settings for those ?
Thanks! Actually I don’t really remember 😅
@@TheGuitalian no worries my Amp arrived today I will find those tones. What a great Amp I love it so far !!!!! Cheers
Mine is in the mail can’t wait! Great playing and review! ❤
great vid..came here from the group..what speaker rig are you using..little head sounds awesome
Hey mate, I’m using the two notes torpedo captor and cab m, I’m using the “Bogreen” virtual cabinet that actually is a Bogner 4x12 with greenbacks
Hi bro, wow ur tone is amazing, please tell me who is your chain for this tone?
ofc man, guitar - Soul Food - amp - Torpedo Captor - Torpedo Cab M - Strymon Timeline and Flint
Had the 20 but got rid of it and am now considering getting another one and modding it. The cleans are really good on this amp as well as a basic / lighter crunch rhythm for classic rock when pushed, but the circuit just didn't have enough gain in it when I need to get up into that seering solo territory to cut through the mix. "Headfirst Amplification" in Australia created a JCM mod for this thing that sounds AMAZING which I'm now considering...
I am looking at doing that mod right now? Have you done it yet?
@@joshmuz9018 Not yet. I have two other amps ahead of it; one is a hand wired 50 watt Marshall 1986 Bass Head clone. I'm having the Metropolous Zero Loss effects loop installed right now. The next one is a Trainwreck Express clone that will get the same mod done to it, then I'll buy a 20 and have the mod done. If you have a 20 I would go ahead do it but make sure you have a loop installed as well.
@@GTX1123 yeah I am gonna send it to Jason and he will do the mods and the loop as well.
@@joshmuz9018 When you get it back, please post a review here in the comments. This video is convincing but it's always good to have other opinions. The main advantage I see with modding the 20 is a lower overall output volume which allows you to get fully up into the power section of the amp w/out blowing everyone out. That is always the challenge when you're playing smaller venues
Get the 50watt its only $100 more
Great and a very insightive review, Luca.
Thanks ;)
Great solo tone, awesome demo
Thanks!
Im not liking that the valves and pots are PCB mounted, my 79 Marshall mk 2 master vol combos are still gigging with no problems, im not too sure how long the origin will last though.
Hey dude, amazing review ! can I ask what studio desk you're using ? It's look pretty awesome
Thanks! It’s millennium180 if I remember correctly
That's a great review. Thanks!
Nice review, thanks! Sounds great!
Nice review. Had a question on the reverb you were using in this demonstration? What type of reverb was it? Was it a hall, plate, spring, or analog?
it's the 80s reverb in strymon flint that should be a hall rack reverb
Great tones seems a good amp but a bit loud too?
Thought started playing Judas Priest Highway in the hi gain section
Very Intelligent and well presented review, nice playing too.
Thanks!
Is this amplifier a professional model or a Marshall Amateur model? Are electronics good? Great video !!!
I haven't heard any particular complain on reliability so far, however it's really affordable, so I'm not sure about stressing it too much like in a tour
I had the combo version of this amp, the gain interacted weird with the volume, it also got a lot of hiss with high volume, and a buzzy sounding speaker, maybe it was just the one I had.
What speaker cabinet and speakers were you using with the Marshall origin 20?
What kind of cab are you playing thru?
No real cab, just the torpedo captor and cab m with a 4X12 greenback speaker ir
I’m really digging this review and for the cost of it - it may just end up in my living room yet ..
On the "best hi-gain tones" section, are you running the Soul Food in front or in the loop?
In front
Where’s the reverb coming from?
For me, the one I had did not break up and saturate like my Plexi replica. It was kind of brittle in the high end and losse in the low end, which would be by design. It would have been good for a edge of break up dynamic tone though, especially at the price. My Plexi sounds quite old school, but the O20H was even more old school like early JTM I guess. I just ordered a mini Silver Jubilee head for more modern tones and will not mod the Plexi to do Jose mod type sounds, so I have both (I think if I mod the Plexi to do more modern sounds I might lose some of the Plexi-ness, so I will leave it alone).
Italian huh? My dad's family were from there. Brescia where they had been for over 1000 years after travelling all the way from Bergamo lol. They moved to England in exile during the revolution. We are in NZ now. We mostly forgot the lingo, but not the cooking and eating.
Enjoy the pasta, my dear Red Eagle ;)
Cheers!
did you try different tubes in it?
@@unabonger777 Yeah, I have a bunch of old Mullards in NOS condition, plus some old 6CA7s etc. However, providing the tubes are working as designed, they do not make a huge difference brand to brand etc. Far more of the tone and character of an amp is in the circuit design and component values etc.
Check out the changes this Aussie fella makes to the circuit to get it to sound more like a hot rod JCM800, which the OR20 does not really do due to the circuit being so different to classic ones, i.e. OR20 does not have same the preamp stages, plus it is not fixed bias. Tube changes ain't going fix that. th-cam.com/video/Q_hiXjOS1Y8/w-d-xo.html
@@aquilarossa5191 In my experience tubes can be the difference between sounding good or not. Yeah, if you don't like the character of the amp tubes won't help. You aren't going to get power tube saturation out of a pair of EL34 running at 20 watts anyway, so the tone of this amp must be in the pre-amp. I don't see anything better at this price range, though. It sounds pretty good.
@@unabonger777 I am not too familiar with the exact points of clipping in a OR20, but generally you can get a pair of EL34s to clip in a low power config. A common way is called power scaling, or voltage mods. It reduces the clean headroom of the valve, so it saturates earlier. That's how builders get power amp saturation out of lots of amps that have a low power mode. The principle can be seen in reverse with higher voltage. Clean headroom for a pair of EL34 can be as high as 60 watts, or higher headroom in a 18v overdrive pedal is another example.
The FAQs from a mod maker explains it quite well. londonpower.com/power-scaling-faq/
Plexi Tone? on a Marshall? for $650.00? (I just checked that out)..........Man that Bang for the Buck is really, really, really tough to beat. I have a Marshall Vintage Modern, which is JTM45 Style as it uses KT66s........and it's an amazing sounding amp, but I really want to have the Hendrix EL34 type of tone so I was thinking on saving money for a Studio Vintage (which costs 3 Times this), but after seen this video I NEED TO REEVALUATE. Great Playing, great playing. 🎸🎸🎸
Thanks man :)
IIRC, early Hendrix was JTM 45/100, which was Marshall's first 100W (actually 80W but peaks close to 100?), and also used KT66. It was 68 or 69, maybe late 67 when he switched to the Super 100 (EL34).
If I got any of this wrong, please correct.
JTM 45/100 was used by many in the mid to late 60s, and that's the tone I'm after; hoping my inbound Origin 50C gets me there. If not, next up Ceriatone.
Cheers!
@@zoomzoom3950 Yeah, I am not sure though if JTM45/100 made it till the late 60s, my understanding is that by 68 Marshall have switched to Plexis. But you are correct early Hendrix is KT66. Jimi's tone from Monterrey (KT66) is massively different from Albert Hall.
Best demo of this amp. Grazie mille Gitalian e cordiali saluti :-)
Thanks Mikel, appreciated!
This is the best video. Sounds great. I’ve tried to record mine, I have the origin 50h, but it doesn’t sound very good when i record it, in the recording it doesn’t sound the same way I hear it.
I mic the amp, use a 4x12 cab, sure 57 microphone, focusrite 3rd gen interface, epiphone Sg standard, FL studio. I don’t know what is wrong, maybe it’s too loud still at 5w, maybe the mic is too close, maybe it’s my interface, maybe the mic isn’t good enough, I don’t know. Thank you
Hi Don, thanks for your comment.
Regarding the recording issue, I don't think it's the gear, unless something is broken. I suggest to you to keep experimenting with the mic placement until you get the sound you want. It's not an easy task cause the mic placement does massive differences on the final sound. Cheers
@@TheGuitalian thank you so much, I’ll keep trying. Ciao!
Awesome demo! I bought one last week and so happy with! But a question: do you add reverb/delay in the fx loop? Because when I put my pedals in the fx loop and crank the master it sounds not very good.. Is that because cranking the master? Thx for your help
No, I use a different setup using the torpedo captor and plugging the fx after the cab simulation. In studio I rarely use an fx loop
I don't have any live loud experience with the origin, sorry :)
@@TheGuitalian allright thank you so much for answer!
anytime!
Great revue.
Love your guitar
I have the 20H and it has a noticeable hum even when all knobs are on zero. The hum comes from the speaker and I find it very annoying. I’ve read that it’s a problem with this amp. Is yours humming too?
I actually can’t remember right now, not that I really care actually on an amp, if I’m not playing I simply use the standby switch
i just bought this how do i hook the pedal up that came with it is it an overdrive off on ?
Hi!🤟I really like this amp but I don't know if the 20w with a 4x12 cab is enough for (hard rock) band practice and smaller gigs or should I go with the 50w head?🤔 I'm mostly playing EVH kinda sounds he's my number one inspiration for everything that goes along with music so... probably i would put the volume on 11😝
Thanks!
G
Maybe you'll not have super clean cleans, but for distorted ones you should be alright
@@TheGuitalian I would buy a PAF style pickup too and then just roll back the volume pot on my guitar for cleans😄 But idk if 20w is enough when it's cranked/50w is too much?🤷
The 20 is right on that edge of being not loud enough but the 50 may be too much. The tone of these amps jump in at high volume. Smaller clubs it would be ok, but with louder/bigger crowds, you might have to mic it. Just depends on where you play. For band practice, it definitely will hold its own. The cranked 20 will get you that tone, but the cranked 50 might be too much
my friend i have a cabinet 1x12 blackshadow mesabogie.... This amp can sound very well whit this 1x12?
Bonjour, seen them all and i must admit best review so far. Bravo for the work. Must work now to get tones as good as yours from mine. I would like to have your opinion on a head I would like to buy. I want a "fender hotrod deluxe like" 20/or 30watt tube head amp for clean blues and pedal plateform. Do you have any suggestions please? Fender heads are not common, expensive and not as cool looking as marshall heads.. Thank you in advance and Congratz again. A new follower from Bordeaux France.
Not really easy, I was searching for the same kind of amp. Probably Morgan amps would be cool, as well as Dr Z. However I haven’t tried them yet
@@TheGuitalian merci beaucoup!!! keep up the good work. Ciao !!
Hi, What speakers are you using to output the Simulated Cab... Are you using your Yamaha monitors (HS5 or HS8 ) ???
Yes, I'm always using the hs5, actually the hs50 that are the older model since i had them for more than 10 years
Can you share what chorus effect you're using at the clip's start?
It's a Strymon Mobius
I just bought this head. The question is: will it sit on my 115, 212 or 410 cab?......
I'd probably go for the 212, especially if it's greenback loaded
@@TheGuitalian ah, it does have green backs
I'd have no doubt then
@@TheGuitalian right have have you ever played through proper 115?
not really, does it have too much bass freq?
do you think it's loud enough to jam with a band?
It depends on the drummer, the speaker you’re using and the sound that you want.
If you use a 1X12 with a 20 watt speaker playing super clean funk music with a super loud drummer probably not.
If you’re using crunch and lead tones yes, especially with a larger cab and more powerful speakers like v30
Awesome brown sound!!
Can i get the same tone with a Marshall dsl 20 hr and soul food pedal too?
THANKS so MUCH
I think you can, but the speaker does a great part in the final tone
@@TheGuitalian i have a 212 open box with greenbacks loaded!?
It probably will do the job
which chorus are you using in your cleans?
Strymon Mobius, the factory preset "call the cops"
Sounds killer
Damn this sounds amazing
How do you think this compares to the DSL's?
The origin is more vintage oriented, while the DSL is more modern
I bought this about 3 monts before this video was made for 399 i just looked and it is now 649
And ......it sounds like looking for love from whitesnake and Sykes solo...
I love mine
This amp does NOT get the respect it deserves. I have the O20H. It runs through 2 G12M's in a 23x29 enclosure. This thing is sweet as honey.
I agree!
Hey man, would this origin 20 be too loud for home use running at 0.5watts? I'm considering this but I want to be able to use this to play at home too. Cab is 2x12 vertical with V30s in it. I could also get a 1x12, would that make a big difference?
It depends on your expectations. If you want a full sound like the one I’m getting on this video, yeah, it will be too loud.
The thing is that if you use a 12 inch guitar speaker it will always be loud if you want that typical full guitar sound, especially on lead and crunch tones.
That’s why the reactive load + IR is the solution for me. It’s just my opinion of course
@@TheGuitalian Thanks for the answer man! You have any idea how loud would it be? Like extremely loud or just loud that my neighbors would listen to it?
your neighbours will definitely listen to it :D
Oh buddy! The fingers on ya
If only it was 2 channel with a dedicated clean.
You should check out the DSL line
@@TheGuitalian not plexi sounding though, and apparently have the common problem of mismatched channels which makes the shared eq a fail. There is no solution for me for lower cost. I am trying to think of how incandescent make this work for cleans and dirt without too much effing around.
Yep, plexi amps are usually single channel. I Think there is not a lot of choice in this price range for the thing you’re searching for
great review :)
Thanks, appreciated
This is exactly what I was looking if this thing is lightweight too I am sold!!!
I like them. It just isn't very usable to me because it needs to be run up too loud to sound good and you won't be able to do that with modern stage volume restrictions.
They have little to no clean headroom either. I got mine cheap (£250) on a blowout and sold it for £250. I had fun but nowhere near the holy grail.
That's what attenuators and loadboxes with IR's are for
@@matt926uk1 Ready meals and Dominos Pizza. No thanks.
@@cgavin1 Lol, have you tried them?
@@matt926uk1 Seriously though, no I haven't. Couple of reasons: 1. They are in many cases more expensive than my amplifier, sometimes by orders of magnitude. I'm not that rich. 2. I find it distasteful and silly using digital to record analog. There's a reason why we use tube amps and its not because they are practical. I'm sure digital can sound just as good or close enough as makes no difference - but it won't FEEL like analog.
That said..
I was talking to Kid Anderson recently on here about his setup in his recent Greeny tribute:
th-cam.com/video/gHNB-XYcm_g/w-d-xo.html
He's using my favourite amp (a 70's silverface) dimed in to an OX and the recorded sound is all IR. In fact he said he frequently doesn't even use a speaker in the room for recording.
I can't deny that sounds great.
I just don't like it. :P
@@cgavin1 That Albatross cover does indeed sound great.
Fair enough man If it's not your thing.
For me, recording at home it's the best option, I can't play too loud but love valve amps, I think they still sound great used like this (slightly better than my helix) but I agree in a perfect situation you'd want to be all analog.
I have a captor x and I run various valve amps into it and out through my studio monitors, I think it sounds great and I'm having a lot of fun anyway.
I do think it's a bit silly having a valve amp and only turning it up to 1 or 2, that's like buying a ferrari and only driving at 30mph lol.
I don't know about the 'feel', it's supposed to be there with them but with latency and everything it's a different experience, not the same as being in the room with a roaring amp and having the guitar and speaker interact.
Had this amp. Wish I didn't sell it lol
What did you use for reverb?
Strymon Flint
I disagree %100! This amp is perfect for the greenhorn who luvs classic and classic hard rock. It is simple, luvs pedals and That is Old School my friend! What ever ya want can be had via pedals and processors, using the FX loop! Other amps are more tone specific. This one you can mold to be your own! Me? I front end it with a Bogner Blue Mini Pedal, and run a Lexicon MPX100/110 in the loop, thru a single Celestion G15V-100 Fullback cab or two1x12 Heritage G12H-30 cabs.
He says how great it sounds with humbuckers and then plays a song that was recorded on a tele. lol
ITS MORE A JTM45 THAN A PLEXI
Its NOT A PLEXI!!! the design intentions of this amp were pre-plexi, vintage voiced
"Nice Hands"...write some songs and demo them!
what do you mean?
This amp is a gutless turd. I have owned over 30 Marshall amps. This is the worst of the bunch. Save your money and buy a real Marshall.
too much babbling and not enough demo!
Are those effects @3:35 in the fx loop?
compressor and chorus in front of the amp, delay and reverb after the torpedo captor, in stereo feeding in the audio interface