Why I Bought A Marshall Origin 50 For Metal..
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- Not traditionally considered a metal amplifier by any means, the Marshall origin 50 is more in line with very clean to light break up tones and classic rock. Not your typical metal chug monster. So, why would I buy one as a metalhead?
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#marshall #origin #metal
The IR sounds terrible.
The Origin is a total pedal platform amp.These amps run great with Friedman pedals too.I have the Origin 50C and I can say that I'm blown away with the way this amp performs with my overdrive/gain pedals.The FX loop is the way to go for delay and revebs.
Yeah that’s been my experience as well
Yeah i have this amp and I run a Friedman BE OD in front of it and its sounds incredible
@@Blaze-ing any videos of your rig? I'm looking to do the same thing but I can't find any videos on it
I have a DSL20HR that almost makes my bed lift when cranked in my bedroom with in the big rehearsal room with my loud drummer and the second guitarist bass player running 100W heads and with the same setup at smaller gigs but with this loud band the 20W Marshall head is just not loud enough.
Now the only DSL Marshall seems to build between my DSL20W and DSL100W seems to be a combo at 40W and I do not want a combo and I think the DSL100WHR might be overkill for me. So, I am looking at this Marshall Origin 50W and I am thinking it should suit me perfectly.
It only having one channel should not be a problem since I am running a Line6 Pod GO Wireless into it anyways so that will essentially be like adding a lot of channels to the amp right ?
I really think this 50W head will be perfect for smaller gigs in a loud band setting and it should be more than enough to hang with other band members 100W heads in the rehearsal room
thats what i am thinking @@mathias6423
I think this is a great idea, because it's not necessarily the obvious, tedious, same-same choice for a metal tone. But if you get the chugs dialled in, then it's bringing something pretty distinctive. It's pretty growly and fiery sounding. I like it..
I never play the same ol same ol everyone does for music styles...like right now, I play a Friedman Wildwood PT20 for Doom and Sludge lol, and it doesn't disappoint at all.
Boomer amp? For the most part, any marshall can do metal.
Check out Headfirst Amplification mods for the Origin, the guy has done Jose mods to a 20w and it sounds rad.
Well aware! Actually that and the monomyth mods are what made me even confident what I wanted could be done, and why I bought it!
@@TaylorDanley Haven't seen much about the Monomyth mod, gonna do a wee bit o' diggin.
@@Infernalhermit oh man, that’s the real fire breathing mod, check it out!
@@TaylorDanley I would love to mod one of these. I think Jason at Headfirst and Shea at Monomyth should get a cut of the sales.
@@Infernalhermit th-cam.com/video/NUJSQ2xecoU/w-d-xo.html
Here’s an unlisted video I made after I wrapped up the first one.
*Thanks for the love Taylor.
It sounds crappy. And I am moments away from buying one for 350 bucks. I'm going to do the headfirst mods , then tear out the pcb, sell the pcb or.mod someone's origin. And hand wire a jtm 45 in the chassis.
Wish me luck lol
I had a DSL20 I sold, got the Origin 20 I liked but sold to get the Origin 50 which I'm digging. I use it with a A/B box to use my Princeston Reverb clean/Origin 50 dirty. I use a treble booster and parametric EQ to get those old 70s hard rock/metal tones. So far, so good. I'm using it with the MX212 cab loaded with a pair of old Fanes.
I will never understand why people will choose a harsh high gain distortion with these annoying 10kHz frequencies over the brutal crunchy distortion of a Marshall amp that is just super round and pleasant in that frequency range and is not a total hustle to EQ out to make it sound right in a mix. I mean it sounded great before and then you plugg this disgusting pedal to that beautyful sounding amp? This is a disgraceful act to commit!
It’s one of those weird fazes some people go through. That’s why I’m not a fan of Mesa rectifiers..
Yes! I recently added a Marshall to my stable, it seems like it’s one of those things that I’ve been missing all along!
This Origin seems like a really interesting amp to me. Particularly before you added boost… can’t wait to hear it after the mods!
🤘🤘
It doesn't need greenbacks , v30s are fine
Marshall’s are great just as a tube power amp for your multi effects pedals (pods, helix, pedal board ect…) I used an old 70’s Marshall super lead 100 with my pedal board with 2 4x12 cabs. Couldn’t get the volume past 2!!! Sounded killer!!🤟🎸
They are damn loud!
666th like KEEP IT THAT WAY
I work at a music store with pretty much the whole range of the origin stuff, before i started working there all my fellow employees (of which all have a taste for the high gain) panned and hated these amps and ididn’t understand why. I just listened to their two cents and went “i kinda dig em” paired with a modest shrug. On my lunch break after that conversation, i grabbed a boss os-2 from the pedal case, plugged into an origin combo and within seconds I had em running asking “goddamn whats that nasty?!” Boy were they surprised. These things love boosts, op amp distortion, and definitely break up nice with your fav flavor of dirt’s level SLAMMING into the front.
Get an attenuator!!! Marshall use a 1 microfarad on the first cathode, get your tech to swap it out for a 10 or higher . I got the mod from Dave Barber of Barber pedals. It will fix the lows. Then do a blindfold test with a Marshall 1987x and try and guess which one is which, lol. I am 75 and got my first Plexi to play in the Brit Prog Rock band Tallis. in '71. Trust me ...the Origin 50 is indeed a Plexi.
Thanks for the tip! 🙌🙌
I felt like it was a little more JTM45 than Plexi but really, most Marshalls sound pretty similar with enough knob twisting.
@@riffsnoleads It is closest to a JCM 50 model 1987
Sounds killer dude. I love the origins almost bought one and was going to boost it but I love my axe fx ii
Still use my axefx live, but hoping this will be a cool and unique studio sound!
They’re cheap enough to justify buying a used one. I’ve seen them for $300-400 locally. Could be a sick rig to combine the origin and axe fx
@@TaylorDanley th-cam.com/video/aJo8rCuFwzU/w-d-xo.html
the price of these have gone up about 200 bucks since i bought mine about a year and a half ago
Sounded killer with the boost. Not a fan of the IR, your mic did a much better job in my opinion! Not even a contest.
I would totally use one of these boosted by a TS808 or TS9, and then layer it with a metal zone or HM-2 for quad-track. Also, you could always run two different amps, like use the Dual Rec or 5150 into your Mesa cab, and then using an A/B/Y pedal, use the Origin as either a layer as is, boosted, or maybe one of those HM-2, Grindstein or whatever kind of boutique reiteration of the HM-2 you like. You could also run a dry/wet rig.
Hey last i checked boomers invented Metal? I think Ozzy, Scorpions, Iron Maiden is metal... its a Plexi, Put a REV G3 in front of it.,. but the clean sounds with Chorus, for Classic Sabbath, Ozzy etc. for the clean sounds its very clear... I you never, ever play a clean note I would not recommend it.
I still dont get the boostpedal thing.
(Ok, in this case I get it).
To me, a pedal always completely ruins the tone.
It gives a fizzy, fake tone.
Yukh..
If I wanted to sound like a today's metal guitar players I'd buy an organ, cause that's what they sound like. John Lord - a tonewheel organ through a distortion box into a tube amp. But there you go.
OK so I love the guitar - tuned standard. Yes standard! Y'know so the bass player doesn't disappear into non-descript inaudible mud-land. But nevermind all that.
Now I wish I had a dollar for every time someone told me 'it sounds like a 'Plexi' -After 40 years in the music business and owning a couple of plexi's the answer to that statement is 'No it doesn't'. The ONLY thing that sounds like a plexi - IS A PLEXI. but here's the thing - plexi's IMO aren't the Marshalls to get. They're too old to keep working, and they never distorted enough. Beautiful clean amps though. The JMP's from @ '70 - '71' - (to maybe 74) ARE. I'm interested in this (no doubt Chinese made) Marshall 'Origin' ORI50H. Fuck channel switching, fuck effects loops, give me plenty of pre amp, plenty of ass, screaming top end and my fingers will do the rest.
RIP Lemmy. Jaysus, we miss you.
Boosted…sounds just like I would expect a marshall to sound with a badass boost 🤘🏼
The JHS black box didn’t work. Got a real one from Carls Guitar Work.
I run a Rat into and it gets pretty nasty. People always hate on it but we’re usually hitting most amps with a tube screamer any way. I just have a tube screamer and a Rat now
Marshals are mandatory for metal unless you want to be "UNIQUE" Ive always stayed way away from that move when it comes to amp tone personally. Ive known other guys that try to get that all inclusive so called warm thing but explosive when you yank volume knob all the way over. ya you get to the point when you gotta ask yourself, am I a volume knob guy? or a volume pedal guy.?
Im not a nob guy. I can be but I gotta have series and way too loud. thats a non negotiable....sory about that . your sound is cool, and so is that knob tone concept shit. what your doing is fine but I get wanting to have her moded so you're plug and play. After you do your mods then your going to come to the next level in your search for that end of days MOSTER tone and that only comes from Daisy chain stacking in series using a slave to punch you're master series through , in this world brown is pink or might as well be. thats why you dont forget its all about mids . that scoop tone is a wash. and the power conditioner or voltage regulator you have youll always use that . WALL of 412's bound you are , I can smell it. It's the only way to get there. I make that prediction for you.
These are pretty fun for modding into fire breathing monsters all on their own even before you add pedals :D
Plenty of room on the faceplate for adding switches and knobs, too, which is always nice
It can't be beat for the price. I got one in a trade a little while back was a couple of months old and dude had receipt and box and everything. Basically $250 lol dude told me it was flat and lifeless. Got home and cracked it with a load box and voila. It's not an amp for low volume settings as you said but pass the middle on the master and it's very very good
Yeah, I agree. I actually like playing through it a lot! Which is surprising with all the other gear I have to play with, lol.
@@TaylorDanley I like that it brutally unforgiving. Makes you play cleaner than the high compression counterparts. I enjoy that a lot
Blend your 5150 or another amp with low low end with both into your 4x12 that's what I do.
That guitar sounds awful clean. Glad you got it to chug, but with the right pedal any tube amp will “chug”
It's definitely an amp that shines best with dynamic playing and guitar volume/tone control adjustment.
I use it stock for HM2 dbeat with no problems.
I plugged the Swedish steel into it the other day and was pretty surprised at how awesome it sounded!
I want one and ill boost it with my helix overdrives using 4 cable method
Wrong pedal, try a Tumnus in front, I know,, just try it, takes care of the woof, lol
Shit, If you can hear the difference in that its not worth modding believe me . Just give me the amp.!
Imo, the mic'd cabinet sounded better than the IR. The IR sounded overly scooped
Given that this series is made in Vietnam, is there any evidence that Marshall is cutting corners on quality as well ?
I'm a drummer mostly, but I keep two amps on a 2x12 with a v30 and greenback and those amps are an origin 50 and evh 5150iii stealth. This amp is THE amp for fuzz pedals.
I've got the 50 head with 16ohm 25watt greenbacks installed into my code cab 4x12. It's perfect. Tone heaven
I normally put the MV on max and use the gain knob for volume. I then use pedals for my gain tone
you got to turn that master up to about at least 6 before it starts sounding good.
would definitely recommend cranking the MV on these, so much of the plexi tone comes from the power amp and these sound a bit limp when they’re run at lower settings.
when it’s modded it’ll be more like a jcm 800 where the sweet spot is quieter. Are you doing Jason Tong’s Headfirst mod? Cool tones with the Mesa cab regardless, although those Greenback IR’s sounded off to me
def gotta push that master volume.
This amp is nothing like a real plexi. I also love when people say plexi tones. Which plexi tones? There are about 10 different types of plexi amps.
@@Panic42000 origin is sort of a reference to the older Marshalls with no MV. cranking the MV on the origin is what makes the tone more like those older models.
there are lots of models and variation between marshalls but anything pre 1976 has a very similar pre amp section amp to amp. Main differences are whether they are split or shared cathode, one coupling cap value and the tone stack (of which there are 2). Not saying there aren’t other differences, but there are more similarities than differences in their design. Of course there are different power sections, transformers, valves, tube rectifiers etc but there are clear similarities between them which the Origin is evocative of.
The fact you can so easily mod an Origin into a plexi style amp is a clue as to what the basis of the preamp is from
I wish you used a distortion pedal instead of that overdrive.
Hmmm.... The Origin series is the opposite of a boomer amp.. It's a modern cheap china made, poor sounding excuse of a Marshall.. Should've gone with a Dsl series at least. Check out Psionic's review of the Origin for a detailed review...
Lol no. Origin is more a jtm45. Classic rock to clean tones. Not for metal dal too tinny
Someday, when I'm not broke as fuck, I plan on buying this amp.
I wonder if this could take fuzz for stoner doom
Most definitely. It's a true pedal platform amp.
@@TaylorDanley post a stoner doom short right now!!!! Lol
@@TheDistortionPrinciple I wouldn't be the guy to do it justice, and besides that the amp is actually being modded right now so I don't have it
@@TaylorDanley yep wonder how that mods gonna sound
Found an origin 20w in Canada for like $400 I'm very tempted
👀 idk about the 20w, but if it’s anything like this, it’s probably kick ass!
If you wanted a Marshall you should have gone with a DSL, much better gain tones without needing a pedal to help it.
I owned that Origin amp, returned it after 1 week. I prefer to get my gain from my preamp tubes instead of pedals. The clean channel was okay but the gain channel was just too bright and harsh, sounded more like a fuzz pedal. If you like Hendrix tones it may work for you, I prefer a Wylde or Hetfield tone, and I get those tones plugged straight into my cheap Blackstar ht 50 or even cheaper Bugera!
Dude that sounds incredible. Where would be ideal to have one modded?
Lots of people mod them. I found out through modding them from the headfirst TH-cam channel and the Monomyth TH-cam channel.
This amp from the few times I've been able to play with it is an *amazing* pedal platform. Seriously.
I want to get one for just a nice pedalboard rig for home recordings!
Can confirm, great for that
Hopefully, the mods save that thing. That thing sounds nastier than the Toxic Avenger.
It’s not the amp, it’s the guitar. The amp doesn’t sound like that at all
This one has been on my radar to try. I never considered modding but the headfirst amplification guy's vid sounds great. Makes me wonder how different something like the Mr Scary module would work instead.
Also, have you seriously been waiting nearly 2 years for the mod work to get done? I didn't see a follow up video and thought maybe you had it done and it didn't really do it for you and you quietly let it slide or you decided against getting it modded and sold the amp.
Awesome presentation! I have the Origin 50 and absolutely love the versatility of this amp! It's a fantastic pedal platform and great for the studio. Here's an interesting way that I have been using it when I want a citrus flavored high gain - I run the effects send from my Orange Terror Stamp to the return on the Origin to bypass the Marshall preamp and capture the Dark Terror voicing! Or if I want the hotrodded Marshall tones, I just use the Friedman BE-OD Deluxe for a full 3 channels of increasing gain. IMO, Marshall really knocked it out of the park with the Origin, and the stem power scaling is such a wonderful feature! Cheers!
Yeah I haven’t even messed with the fx loop yet!
Hi I'm using a marshall origin too for a clean pedal platform but I'm struggling to dial it in.
Any tips? I use EHX EHX Sovtek bigmuff deluxe.
EHX OpAmp.
Wren and Cuff Garbage face.
Looking for a nice Grungy vibe.
The origin 50 also sounds great with the celestion Ceamback M65 which is basically a 65 watt greenback but a bit darker and smoother and has a bigger and tighter low end with a woody lower midrange. Sweetwater does an exclusive version with the Creamback M65 as the stock speaker and they posted a comparison video between the stock origin 50 and the creamback loaded version and it sounds so much better with the Cremback . More clarity tighter low end and more vintage sounding .
That pedal made that amp sound killer!🤘🏿
When are you going to do a comprehensive review of that Boss Katana MkII head you have in the background and give us your opinion on that?
Soon!
Sorry. But sounds horrific!
Hi, Taylor…What guitar is that, please? Need one of those..
Grimoire by Deviant Guitars
Where are you sending it to get moded
Had this amp for 1.5 yrs never really loved it until I started cutting the treble back and cranking the presence , cut most of the bass too , mids to taste. And also sweet spot on master volume is around 5 (low power mode)
Mids and presence is where marshalls live. You can run it with the tilt on half, bass on 2, mids all the way up, no treble at all, full presence, and you get the classic marshall tone, of course after you turn up the gain and volume.
>greenbacks
Stahp
Check out the dsl20hr it rips
I second this, surprised the shit outta me.
I contemplated that as well, but in the end that plexi style charm won me over lol
Maybe I’m a little bit drunk 🥴...
I am. ...
But.
An EQ out Front ?
Loop ?
A Marshall Jackhammer ?
Etc...
I heard an AMAZING Base TONE.
Pure MARSHALL
I’ll. Smoke some now. 🌱. 😁
And get back to ya. 😁
This amp just arrived at my apartment and i'm shocking surprised with the quality of it!
Now i just need some new Dist pedals to make it chugg, for now the metalzone is doing it tho, fantastic tone!
Me personally modded yes running it through a board like the helix would boost that shit up without you spending all the money.
I seriously think that clean portion would be a nice adition to the stomps on the helix may be a huge difference do a vid on that you will have a winner since you already have one helix thats a awesome all in one rig!!
I’m looking for something very specific with the mods that just can’t be done with external processing. You can get close with distortion and EQ, but this amp has sort of a compressed tight low end that needs some work
@@TaylorDanley george lynch tube mods check that one out that may reach the tone you're looking for
Listen to some of the you tube vids there arent just one kind of mod bro always think outside the box!!!
keep the krank amps i see in the background buddy, i bought two of these long ago for 500€ each, now they are just at 2500€ ...got r1 plus and krankenstein plus..cheers 🎸🎸
The main difference between a boomer and a gtr guru such as yourself is protools. A close 2nd is horrible time🤣snaaaaap it to the grid🤣God do I miss the major label days. You know, when you ACTUALLY had to know how to play?
Dude
Marshall is metal tone
Annnnnd one must find 11 not 2 not 8 not 10 but 11
There is where the metal lives
Not a pedal , not a gain knob but rather @ 11 .
My old nutts have spoken
i would buy a dsl 100hr instead, much more bang for your buck imo, got mine for 450€ b stock at thomann , cheers 🎸👍
Can't wait too hear the "Moded" version! At least you're not one of the girly men too afraid to turn the volume up, around all their vintage guitars!! What total knobs!!
7:07 reminds me of the Kerry King Beast JCM800. Sounds perfect to me. No modifications "needed" really.
Greenbacks definitely sound better in my opinion but I prefer greenbacks or greenback imitations from my own amps (peavey's or Marshalls)
There's a origin 50 combo at the shop near me and compared to other amps its sounds awesome for chugs. It almost sounds like down tuned just by changing amps.
Their made in Vietnam
parts are all cheap
I bet that amp would sound smoking with one of those Legendary Tones Hot Mod in it.
I have always considered Marshalls a traditional metal amp, everyone used them in the 80s.
Those are really cool! I think the first mod that you do with these amps is reconfiguring the fx loop tube to a preamp tube, which is probably similar to running one of those legendary hot mods.
Unfortunately the hot mod is incompatible with the origin series.
Hey I’m seriously thinking about buying this amp. I can’t find that pedal you’re using? Can you point me in the right direction
dudeee what guitar is that?? i love the leviathans cross on the inlay
I guarantee a 50w head and cabinet with distortion pedals will sound 💯 better than any modeling or sim when playing live
Sounds nice but the whole attenuator, boost pedals, volume issues, workarounds with amps generally is why I went modelling years ago and have never looked back.
dude you got a gnarly as @$%^ sound with that like really gristly steak like grizzly bear steak
Great video, & Tool are famous for using 1970s Marshall plexi’s
I award you one Like for using the Audix i5. Great mic!
I know it aint chug.. but how would u people go about getting the best gary moore tone through these amps.. got the combo
"Marshall is not known as a metal amplifier."
Oh sweet child...
Who are you getting to do the mod work?
Shea from This Heavy Earth Effects
So the Plexi is a "boomer" thing? I consider it the icon of badassery.
Great Demo. I run mine thru a Marshall 1965A cab (4x10 Mid Monster) & w/a Boss DS-1 or a Marshall Jackhammer. (or other nasty dirt makers) ha-ha. I just got a 7 band EQ w/a 15db boost gonna try that to tighten things up. Gibson Les Paul or a 2001 Les Paul Jr. P-90's Love this Amp! Rock-n-Roll!! I don't have an Attenuator, been thinking of getting one though.
Is there a link to the mod vid of the origin?
Still waiting for it unfortunately 🫠
Did you mod it?
Nice ampero ii in the background.
Always on standby lol
Ooh yea that sounded great once you boosted it.
That boost is a game changer.
Thanks for the video. I recently brought a Marshall origin 50
I like playing Grunge style guitar. Ambient soundscapes too. I'm a bit puzzled why the amp has no reverb?
I'm playing it super clean and using a EHX sovtek deluxe Bigmuff. A Wren and Cuff Garbage Face and a EHX OpAmp
And a EHX Littlw Bigmuff.
Not all at the same time!🤣
I try and dial them in different to each other.
Reverb I have a EHX Oceans 11
A EHX holy grail.
I'm still though kinda struggling with this amp.
Your right its very hard to get the master volume up past 3..4..
I'm using a old 100 watt Marshall 4 ×12" speakers and I'm in a little room!🤣😂
Help!!. Any tips on dialling in thus amp would be really appreciated.
Hope you can help.⭐
Thankyou.⭐
When an amp makes you cuss and say nice things about it when you don't want to.
I see you in the background Spider V head, eventually you'll get your time in the Sun-nO)))
But I tried the origin at sweetwater with one of the diezel preamp pedals in front and it works pretty well. I'd say it's a pedal platform type head.
It does work pretty well with pedals... unless you want a Plexi type tone, then it's perfect for that.
I like it
sounds bad
Sounds sick man! Good shit! Looking forward to see more of it!
Boomer lol
Now here's a stupid idea! The best metal amps are easily made out of solid state amps, not tube! Real Metal doesn't need tubes and sounds far better without them!
Comments for the algorithm. Thanks for the awesome content ❤
Do it have a clean sound and distortion with foot pedal that comes with it
ooooooo finally the review I was searching for!!!!!
you think for me buy this beast using for some chrunchy tones from his own channel and with a band for metal (as power amp going in the return on the back, specific a Mooer preamp live in it) will give me the thightness I need? I was looking ad the dsl20, but im scared of the 20 watt in a metal situation, I think that with an energic drummer I will be so low.
Have you tried the Mooer 005 in the effects loop? For the price, this head seems like it would be good for pushing a high gain preamp through.