R9T: The BIG 5 ... ISSUES...
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- After watching "R9T: The BIG 5 ... ISSUES...", you'll be in a better position to ensure you get the bike you want, while ensuring the PRICE you agree on with the SELLER includes a DISCOUNT for any REPAIRS required.
I give a "heads-up" on 5 specific issues found in USED BMW R nineT motorcycles which are often reported in online communities. I'll cover :
- How to spot these issues
- How serious each one is
..and
- What they'll cost you to fix them
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Awesome review, straightforward points. Very informative and short. Only major details without any water.
Thanks @antibloggerr70, I'm glad you enjoyed it and got something out of it!😀.
My wife rides a 2015 R9T and has had none of these issues, and no problems at all, apart from changing the rear suspension due to her very light weight & the rear spring being designed for a far heavier rider. She loves the bike and has done many 800 - 1000 km days on it.
Hey @pauljoyquilter359, that's great news and what I'd expect from most R9Ts. Great to hear you both share the passion for motorcycles, especially the R9T. It's a great bike! Then again, riding a bike, any bike on a good day is GREAT! Take care out there 👊✊👍
Thank you for summarizing all of these points of concern for the BMW R9T!
You're very welcome @thesoutherndistance. 👍
Underrated channel!
@ahmadmajed many thanks for your encouraging post! 🙂. Much appreciated. I wish you all the best for you and your bike. 👊✊️👍
I bought the aftermarket metal fuel connectors as soon as I bought the bike. The steering damper I removed, the bike handles better without it. The valve cover bolts leaking is usually due to OVERtightening, it requires only a low torque figure. The TPS can be bought aftermarket Hella make them. Good work , keep em coming.
Absolutely! Thanks @EternalLearner, will do 👊✊️👍
Excellent info, thank you!
You're very welcome @rogerparis😀. I'm glad you got something out of it! 👍👊✊️
Useful video, I’ve owned R9T for 5 years, admittedly I haven’t done high miles but I’m pleased to say it’s been faultless and I would recommend one to anybody. Couple of tiny flaws, no centre stand although you can buy; and no fuel gauge which are little points really.
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Good points, thanks for sharing @billyporter2195😀👊✊️👍
Just bought a 2019 RnineT from a great dealer here in the states. The shop went through eveything and i have in writing that if anything happens they will fix for free. Of course as long as it isnt beat to death or anything.
Good on you @Woogieman02!😁. Yourve bought a great bike. And great you have assurance from the dealer. Enjoy a great bike, with great character! 👊✊️👍
Thanks for the video, very informative! Looking at a used ‘16 with only 1800 miles (there seems to be a lot of low mileage used ones up for sale), I’ll use this knowledge to give it a proper look over.
Hey there @QuasiMotoUSA, great you found the information useful🙂. All the best with your search for a well cared for R9T. Have fun searching 😃👊✊️👍
This helped me find fuel smell, thanks man.
Hi @withoutpassport, reading your comment made me smile😃. My goal with each video is to provide something of value to fellow riders in our global community. So I am glad the video helped you a little. 👊✊️👍
Thanks for the useful video!
You're very welcome 🙂
Should be a series for most popular bikes. Love to see a similar video for the Africa Twin, Triumph Tiger. Thanks!
A series would be great @UncleWally3, if only I had an Africa Twin and Triumph Tiger...both great Adventure bikes!!!🤩... alas my adventure bike isn't one of those, so it's difficult for me to do a genuine "BEFORE YOU BUY..." video for the Twin & Tiger. But thanks for watching this video on the NineT. 🤗👊✊️👍
Thanks for this video. I bought an R9T new in 2021 and it has been brilliant. I've done a couple of decent trips on it (2,000 km + ) and had no issues but it is good to know model specific issues to watch out for. Practical advice is always worth listening to.
Hey Glen, great to hear you are in the R9T community. It's a hell of a great bike isn't it!😁. Brilliant your pocket rocket is running well. What model did you buy exactly? 😃
@@outtheresomewhere I've got the standard roadster with minimal mods. Hepco and Becker rack and top case, Shad tank bag and 20mm Wunderlich bar risers. As far as performance goes, it has plenty for me and with the level of interdependent engineering these days I believe if you want more go, buy a different bike.
Smart choice choosing the standard Roadster, as just as yourve done, it leaves some cash for mods to make it reflect your own specific taste and practical daily usage. And for sure 109HP is plenty for on-road. Personally I love the low-down torque of these boxer engines and their shear simplicity😀. Enjoy that beautiful machine of yours Glen👍👊✊️😀
Plastic fuel connectors are a time bomb. Get the kit no matter what.
Better safe than sorry @d.f.9064 👍👊✊️
Well done.
Great video!
Thanks @madsthornsen... I'm glad you enjoyed it!😃.
Thanks 👍
Im glad you liked it @tungkaling6628!😃👊✊️👍
Mine has been a gem no problems, its been a few years...
Great to hear @jetcarddude 👍😃, yeah fortunitely most don't have these issues. Although mine had the flange seal leak at just over 20,000km. But mines been good overall and it gets a hammering. Poor girl. Great to hear you've got a goid one!👊✊️👍😀
Sold mine at 52000kms had zero issues they are rock solid bikes but very informative video didn’t know about those commun problems but they don’t seem too bad easy fix
Yeah they for sure are great bikes😃, are you missing yours just a little Clem?😉 What are you riding now? Did you get that Adventure bike in the end?
"Rattles at low rivs"
Lol.
Thanks mate
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Common on low mileage version are the rear main oil seal leaking. Expensive big job.
Hey @johnwan9644, finding your rear main seal leaking, would make for a real bad day out on your bike. A monster job that one. 😆
when searching I've seen 2014 and 2015 bikes with very low km for the age, as the owners didn't ride them enough have leaking rear main oil seals.
Thanks for sharing that @bonusshaker9260, thats one no bike owner wants to see for sure!
Its another one to add for a future video. 👊✊️👍
I'm planning to buy a secondhand Nine T Racer. Thank you for your review. Hate the plastic fuel connectors, same as my MV F4. They crack.
Im really glad you enjoyed it @movistar7. As nice as your Agusta is! Ive always admired them, an R9T just has a heap of retro character which really puts a smile on your face while riding. So naturally I highly recommend an R9T. All the best with your search😃👊✊️👍
I bought a new UGS RnineT in 2018 and I would add to watch for oil consumption. Mine burned 1L/10000km...when I asked BMW dealer about it, they said anything under 4L/10000km is considered "normal" oil consumption and not covered under warranty, if it burns above that, than they tear the engine down to investigate. Quite insane tolerances for a modern bike. But the engine character, torque and sound was just SO good...if you're not smiling riding these bikes, you need to see a doctor.
@Speedytrip ..."...if you're not smiling riding these bikes, you need to see a doctor." 😂 So true, I couldn't have said that better myself! Just so you know @Speedytrip, my original 2014 R9T which I ran on Mineral Oil during it's run-in period, burnt through the "black stuff" like there was no tomorrow. But once the engine was run-in, the oil consumption reduced. I've run full synthetic in recent years for on-track. But in my opinion on-street it could have stayed on mineral oil forever, especially given it's such a low reving bike. BUT WHAT A BIKE! ALl the best with the beautiful Urban!! Enjoy 👊✊👍
Excellent video - thanks! Two questions: Are flange seal leaks common on air/oil cooled Boxers? And, have idler gears been an issue? I ask these two questions because, back in the day, both were problems I had with my 1150GS, the seal leaks were minor but the labor cost for the idler gear was absurd. Aside from the “character” of a dry clutch, it’s these past problems that have kept me from now buying an R9T.
@UncleWally3, thanks for the question. From my experience in the R9T community, the flange seal issue isn't a "common" issue. But it is worth checking closely when buying used as it has failed on some owners shaft driven Beemers (including my own). As for the idle gear, personally I haven't heard of anyone in my immediate circle of riders mention it in the context of the R9T. After saying that, any shaftdriven bike has additional components which chain driven don't have, and which naturally can fail. But I wouldn't place those in the "common" group for the R9T, just the "possible" group for shaftdriven bikes, if that makes sense. It's not common, I'd be more concerned about the Swing Arm Pivot Pin coming loose, which was added as a recall item by BMW after this video was made. Hope this helps a little. Take care out there 👊✊️👍
Useful video. I did 91,000 miles on an R1100GS in GB and Europe between 1996 and 2010.
Rode my 2015 R Nine T for 88k km and had no issues. It was a rock solid bike and I would have kept it if I had the space for more than one bike.
That's great to hear @PhilG221!!💙👍😃. Yes, that old delima, if only we riders could all afford a mini warehouse and a bottomless bank account, I too would have more bikes. Out of interest what are you riding now?😀
@@outtheresomewhere I'm now on a BMW R1250GS. Doing long distances and quite a bit of off-roading during my trips.
Good-on-ya ;)
Thanks!
Very informative. TPS’s are also a rather common problem on these resulting in rough idling and stalling. A new sensor is around $150 but it can also potentially be salvaged by rebuilding it if the problem was moisture getting into it
Hey John, that's interesting to know👍. I've only recently seen that issue on a friend's old Buel. So thanks for giving us here in the community a heads up on that one. But you've now created a problem🤔, I'll need to add it to the video🤣. Maybe I'll have to do a BIG 10 sequel 😄
@@outtheresomewhere LOL, or “The TINY 5” 😜
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Pressure washing or even snow foaming the bike electrical components will give you gremlins.
I love Germany.hi thanks for this.
Im glad you enjoyed it @pooryaradpoor3156 😀👊✊️👍
Thank you! Bottom line, if you bought a Euro bike brand new, just cough up the cash for all the dealer service intervals. It gets logged into their system, and you can get your value when its selling time. I wouldnt buy a used Euro w/o checking if it had all of its service done properly via the dealer 1st.
I'm glad you enjoyed it @AllboroLCD 🙂
What exhaust do you have? Looking to buy a 2015 and I want a short exhaust that shows off the wheel like yours does
Hey @mitchbeck01, sorry for the late reply, I've been on the road often out of cell phone range. It's a Race Pro GP-S1. I review it here th-cam.com/video/vurWZ_KWo2o/w-d-xo.html
Cheers 👊✊️👍
Failing fuel line connectors is an unacceptable safety hazard on motorcycles with such high price tags. Besides the obvious fire hazard the possibility of fuel getting anywhere near the rear tire is unthinkable. In addition to the things you mentioned there’s the widespread issue of failing driveshaft universal joints - a more common problem with BMW after about 2005. In 48 years of riding motorcycles I’ve never ever had a catastrophic failure of a chain or sprockets. Glad I sold both my BMW’s and switched to Japanese brands. Pity though as I loved the character of the boxers.
Ah the ol "it's a shaft drive so nothing can ever ever go wrong" gang.
Yeeeaaaahhh, shaft drives have advantages, but definitely aren't completely maintenance free. And when they go wrong, it's sometimes more costly than just a new chain.😋
I took the steering damper off. Rides so much better without it. (If you do it, it`s at your own risk)
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BMW has been using those crappy plastic fuel connectors for years. I had one go out on my K1200rs. There had been a recall on them, but mine had already been replaced under the recall and they weren't honoring another. It was replaced with a metal connector at my expense.
The steering dampers that BMW uses are good for about 20K miles and new ones are not cheap. Buy aftermarket dampers-Adjustable and money well spent.
Hey there @Yoda8945, thanks for sharing your experience with your K1200rs. Yeah rather interesting. I personally haven't "yet" had the fuel connector issue, but I had the steering damper fail dramatically mid corner at full lean angle (on track fortunitely). The steering characteristics changed instantly causing a severe head shake, sitting the bike up ended me on the grass , but I was upright🙃. Except I was still doing over 100kmph on the grass with wet with K1 slicks on😬. No braking was possible (I tried). The tire wall came rushing ever closer towards me😵💫. I had to jump off the nineT (that was emotionally hard..she was mint😥). In short she hit the wall and I eventually did also, but not as fast or as hard as she did. She was broken into too pieces😭, I just severed two ankle tendons and hobbled around on crutches for a month of so🤕. So they fail for sure, I know im not the only one. So thanks for also sharing your experience of the fuel connectors. Take care out there @Yoda8945👊✊️👍
@@outtheresomewhere Sorry to hear about your R9T.
I had one for four years until it was killed by a lady in a 79 Beetle Convertible that turned in font of me. I wasn't hurt and the cylinder probably saved my foot.
Only new bike I have ever owned.
BMW in their infinite desire to complicate simplicity made removal of 16 bolts necessary to change a battery and the use of about 8 different sizes of Torx drivers to remove the handlebars and controls.
@Yoda8945 awww....that's a frightening story😬. I'd much rather come off on the track than be hit by a car. But great we both came out ok🤗. It's the exact reason I race more than ride on road. Ironically I find it safer. After saying that I do ride my other bikes offroad and normally ride them on road to get to the back country off road routes. The older I get the less I enjoy riding on public roads. Maybe Im just getting old enough to finally see my mortality😆. Take care @Yoda8945! 😀
Hello, question, is it easy to install a ohlins steering damper by ourself? is it a bolt on bolt off installation?
Hey there @JL-po3wl, thanks for the question. Yes a Steering Damper is easy to replace yourself. There are literally only a couple of bolts. Just make sure that you take note of the position of the existing rubber shim and retainer of your existing steering damper as you take it off. You will likely need to reuse those parts with your new Ohlins damper, as it's unlikely they will supply new ones in the package. Also, by taking note of the existing shim and it's retainer positions you will see which way around those two small components should be reinstalled with your new Ohlins shock. Its one of the easiest jobs to do, but If in doubt, run it past your local mechanic or suspension shop. As it's important to do it right. Finally make sure you buy an adjustable steering damper. Most are adjustable by default an enable you to reduce or increase the firmness to your specific preferences.
All the best. 👊✊️👍😀
Thank you for the info@@outtheresomewhere
You're very welcome@@JL-po3wl
What i take away from this video; is that my R nine T is solid and reliable as hell. And the big 5 are only "minor inconvenience" when they do happen. I got another one for the "Big 6-7" .. the headlight loom wiring failing on the early R nine T models. Also an easy fix but can cause some weird things if you dont know where to look. And perhaps the Flapper seizing after x amount of km's (which happens at most BMW's) but can also be fixed easily.
Hey @HuskyRides, I think for those who feel comfortable pulling out the tools, you summed it up well👍, although the flange seal could be a little more challenging, unless they have some tig or mig welding skills to make such a puller as buying one costs an absolute fortune as its a BMW Tool. As for the Big 6-7 you're a legend!! I can feel a future video coming on!😁. 👊✊️👍
Or just sell it & get a Thruxton. Much better handling & problem free.
😯🙁☹️😳....😂. The Thurston's a lovely bike. Beautifully finished. But the power and torque of the R9T is for (me at least), the decision maker. But a Thruxton next to my R9T in the garage would be a magic! 😁👍👊✊️
What would an R NineT be without a Triumph troll making some snotty remark 😆🤦🏻♂️
BMW and their infamous crappy plastic.....play safe, just give BMW'S a miss.
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Common issues are 1. Very noisy, 2, Carbon canister. 3. Uncomfortable, 4. BMW poor build quality due to accountants interference, 5. Where is the centre stand?
This is childish
@@oceanbancfilms8288it’s his opinion. That is all. If anything is childish, it’s your reply.
I am riding a R Nine T Urban GS Build 2019. Bought it as a testride machine at my BMW- Dealer with 1700 km. I agree that it is too loud and uncomfortable on longer distances. Also - if You buy it new it is expensive although it is very basic. About the building quality I have to disagree! The Finish of my bike is excellent. The engine has a good performance and relatively low fuel consumption. The Air- oilcooled flat twin is absolutely reliable. I think it is used a good buy, but for more comfort the rear suspension should be upgraded, e.g. with a oehlins shock if driven mainly on asphalt. I installed a center stand and a bigger windscreen and a heightening for the handle bar. Everything from Wunderlich.
I suspect the r nine t is too raw for you.
6. It’s build for small people.
Cringeworthy accent is making this hard to listen to. IMHO. Else, valid info.
You hurt my mojo 😭🤧. ....😁
Such an overrated bike … like all BMW bikes 😅
It's always great to see an apposing opinion to challenge the mainstream and keep everyone reviewing their beliefs. Thanks @mohmdakel👍👊✊️
@@outtheresomewhere No pun intended 😁
To be fair these issues can be applied to most BMW's. Some may show up quicker on the 9T because most who buy them don't really ride them much. Fuel goes off, corrosion can set in and of course oil seals can dry out and perish. I've owned my 9T Racer from new and in over six years have had no issues in 25,000 miles. A BMW mechanic once told me that this shared engine and transmission is one of the most reliable, and the problems seem to turn up with the bikes doing stupidly low mileage, and so spending most of their lives sitting idle. It's no good for any vehicle. They're designed to be used.
I'd be very cautious of a six year old 9T with a couple of thousand miles.
Great points @pokie6087! I had a non-BMW bike which I left in storage while in Europe for 7 years. Long story short, I failed to empty the tank before leaving New Zealand (was chasing a German girl back to her home country 😆), so Icame back to failed gaskets, seals and vacuum pump..not to forget to mention a host of other issues. The bike was never reliable after that. So exactly, bikes are made to be ridden..and regularly maintained. Like any machine. Fortunitely I ended up marrying the German girl, so not all was lost, it was a win overall 😄👍👊✊️
@@outtheresomewhere
I had the final drive radial seal fail on a second hand R1200C I owned many years ago a couple of days after buying it. I got it fixed by my local AD who said it was symptomatic of a bike that hadn't been used much. I hadn't had a really close look at the history but when I checked the MOT certificates, (annual safety checks) I found that the most the bike had done over the previous 5 years was 250 miles 😳