I can always swap the head, shield, and sword to my liking. Its those enormous pistols and holsters that drive me nuts. I feel like the bladeguard are over compensating.
Ultramarines can buff these guys up with the Standard of Macragge Inviolate. +1 attack, auto passing morale (admittedly not much of a problem at all for them, but it’s nice to have) and the chance to get one more attack on death is great
A Salamanders Librarian with Obsidian Aquila and Drakeskin/Fire Shield powers would make for a pretty hard to shift unit, on top of ignoring -1 ap. If I want them in an Impulsor, I think 5 man squad + Primaris Libby is what I'd do. If you have points and warlord traits to spare, maybe give the libby +1 to casting powers, so they go off on a 5 instead of 6.
As black templars you can move them in an impulsor, disembark them, move them, and then devout push them into combat. Basically, you can move 26" turn 1 and attack
To address the point in the beginning about how Primaris can be veterans, I’d say that these are probably firstborn vets that crossed the Rubicon Primaris and lived, showing that they have incredible resilience and willpower.
I used the mathhammer page to compare with SW Terminators. Bladeguards are more less equally tough, but they do 50% more damage in terms of number of models killed. They cost more less (5%) the same though. So essentially, you get 50% more damage for Bladeguard, but the teleport and homer for Terminators.
It says it all about SM codex that 18 points 2W T4 3+ models with -2AP pistols and 4 S4 attacks on the charge before doctrines that can turn off enemy obsec are considered...bad.
Even for Space Marine Chapters that aren't especially melee-oriented, five of them and the flag in an Impulsor are a really powerful hammer unit that doesn't necessarily need an HQ to babysit them. For Ultras, Scions of Guilliman is a strong stratagem with this kind of unit.
I'm thinking taking some as Black Templar in an Impulsor with a Jusiciar and maybe captain. Bomb up the board, disembark, Devout Push, fight first due to the Judiciar.
I have been running them for my Raven Guard army, with my chapter master with the master of ambush ability I can place them close to the enemy first turn and charge, completely destroyed my friend's space wolves wolf calvary of 6 by round two while only using three bladeguard and the chapter master.
38 pts for 2+/4++ 3w models extremely effective in cc. always +1atk me a guard player: bullgryn:3w, t5, s5 (at least), count as 3 models for transport purpose, and you chose between +2 and 4++ for each model for 43 points. +1 attack only when they charge. bladeguards should be 5 pts more expensive, or bullgryns should be 5 pts cheaper Imo PS: and don't forget better stratagems and overall support for bladeguards (bullgryns cannot recive orders or reggiment doctrines, rerolls 1 to hit only with yarrick near them)
When the 8th Guard codex came out it far eclipsed marines in terms of power, and did for months and months. Just wait until your next codex comes out and no doubt Guard will be rebalanced into 9th just like Marines and Necrons have been.
@@boxy2k8 the thing is that they probably have all the pdfs for all the codexes ready but they won't realease them digitally all at once. That's why we have the power creep. if everiting is released at the same time the game would be easier to balance because you would see every op unit in a big picture and then decide if would be better to increase or decrese the power of some units. as it is now it's just a shitty anticonsumer practice edit: and I don't like to stomp people so I'm not waiting my codex for that :)
@@krakkentrace6095 for someone who doesn't like to stomp people, you seem to care an awful lot about a power discrepancy between two units in vastly different armies haha. I jest, I jest. Yes, I know, but releasing shit all at once isn't financially viable for GW for various reasons so it'll never happen. I wish it would. Trust me, as a Dark Angels and Grey Knights player I've been on the wrong side of the power creep for the vast majority of the time I've been playing 40k. It's simply how it is. As I say, you can complain, but you'll just have to wait for your codex like the rest of us and pray to the gods you're decent. Or write letters to GW I guess, but they're unlikely to change anything when they likely have the next Guard codex already written as you say.
@@boxy2k8 man I like to make sterile comparisons between units on the web nothing more, nothing less. Comparing a really good unit with a decent/sub par one, that fullfill the same combat role, doesn't seem like wishing to stomp people to me, but to each their own i guess. That said ofc I'll wait, but I like to think and criticize the products that I have and like :) Same thing will happen when my codex will come out
When you field them as. Full squad in crusade force at 10pl.... Combined with the battle honour that gives ability to start in assault doctrine. Then you make them white scars. On turn 1 you advance charge them into the enemy Suddenly you get 25 attacks hitting on 3's s5 -4 flat 3 dmg With the blade guard ancient and white scar ancient relic you can make it 25 attacks hitting on 2's strength 6 -4 flat 3 They suddenly seem increadibly undercosted.
I could definitely see making a dark angels (or successor) unit of these using the shields and/or swords from the heresy era dark angels unit coming out (companions I think?) and using the fancy bodies to make very cool veterans. Worth a think...
They are shockingly good as Ultramarines also being able to charge, fall back shoot and charge again makes them an extremly scary counter punch unit, and a massive threat to most armies who want to engage an Ultras army asap. You can also put them in tactical for that extra -1 ap and ofc rerolls to miss and wound like most ultra units a unit of blade guard and victrix together make for a very scary melee threat to any army. I think they are prob best as Dark Angles Ultras or Fists back line counter punch/sweeper. Space Wolves Blood Angles and White Scars require them to be in a transport to keep up with the army. For Dark Angles tho I feel like Terminarors do the same job but are more compeditive.
The ability to bring them back with apothecaries would be good. I was considering the bladeguard ancient for the +1 to hit. Only issue being the amount of other good elites to take crowing it out ofa spot in the army. Possibly a librarian for null zone, epsecially if there's a lot of harlequins in the current meta.
Dark Angels work too. +1 to hit if they haven't moved and they have the Deathwing keyword so the Pennant of Remembrance gives a 5+++ and that Ancient can take Steadfast Example to give them obsec.
5 in an impulsor with an apothecary is going to be a thorn in your opponents side for the entire game. So hard to shift. Just don't get wrapped and stuck in the vehicle!
I used them with a master of sanctity(+1 to wound and +2 to charge), a BG chapter ancient (+1 to hit, ultramarines relic banner +1 attack and ObSec WLT) and a relic contemptor (melta, CML and CW I put wisdom of the ancients to re roll wounds of 1) and they completely destroyed my opponent’s flank, a maxed squad of skorpekhs, heavy destroyers, 5 man immortal unit and a command barge thing (the shooting one I just can’t remember the name) even as ultramarines they are my new favourite unit I’m well on my way to having a mobile melee ultramarines army!
You mentioned auto-hitting assault doctrine for Black Templars. Do we still have unique assault doctrine effects? I didn't see that in the codex or Black Templars index.
One thing I find funny is I have had a 10-man squad of Vanguard Veterans in full Storm Shields + Power Swords since 5th edition, thought at the time "I'm using the word Spartan in my Chapter's name might as well make a shield wall unit right?". They were WAY to squishy back then but with the new Apothecary stats/rules & 1 more wound I think I'll just deploy them as two squads of 5-man Company Veterans since they would gain the "Bodyguard" rule & can take 1 squad without using a elite slot if I have a Captain (Which would then allow me to take a upgraded Apothecary without filling a slot too). On a sub-note is this "Bodyguard" rule just "Lookout, Sir" with a different name or a better version?
10 veterans with lighting claws in a drop pod+ a chaplain on bike. The chaplain runs 20 inches and sings the +2 charge prayer, the drop pod lands at his side, if the chapter has a +1 to charge, you have a 6 inch charge with 50 attacks at str 4, -2 ap rerolling to wound using the veteran unit. I think that wiht blood angels this could be a strong turn 1 trick
Or drop pod with 8 veterans a chaplain and a chapter champion. The chaplain uses the strategem that allows it to recite a litany in any phase successfully, and the champion uses the warlord trait that allows for re-rolls to charge around him. We are now talking 83% chance of a success full charge (92% if the chapter has a +1 to charge)
I do love them in BT. They can swallow so much terrain - 14+3 inch from disembarking, then normal move + rerolled advance, and can still engage with devout push with a 3 inch pile in. Put an apothecary for returning models or a company bladeguard champion to give them obsec and they are a threat that must instantly be dealt with
@@hrvojegrgic-akovic5552 Pretty sure you can't do that. Impulsors allow embarked units to disembark after the impulsor has moved, but the rules for transports state that models within a transport that has moved count also as having moved that turn. You can only move/advance after disembarking if the transport itself hasn't moved.
@@Huckleberry_Sid Units can normally disembark if the transport has not moved. The impulsor allows you to disembark even if it has moved. After the disembarking the units count as if having moved, but there is no rule to stop them from doing a move, fall back or advance. There is no rule stating that you cant move if the transport moved, it says that you cant disembark if the transport moved.
@@hrvojegrgic-akovic5552 From the Transport Rules "For all rules purposes, units that are embarked within a transport model that has made a Normal Move, Advanced, Fallen Back or Remained Stationary also count as having made that same kind of move that turn." I read that as saying if the impulsor has moved, and the unit within disembarks using the impulsor rule that allows them to do such, they don't get to make an additional move because they are counted as having moved already by virtue of the impuslor having moved.
I just played against a SW list that had these in it. Absolutely a brutal unit. They are basically required in all SM list now. They are just too hard to shift without dedicating an absurd amount of firepower to remove them.
Thank you for the sugestion of squads of five. I was planning to get them as stand-ins for primaris commad squad. I might even use the other sergeant as a lieutenant.
personally i think termis with storm shields and lightening claws are still better and cheaper just a bit slower and a bit less versatile though a single troop choice of ranged units that focus on the air targets makes up for their one weakness
I'm a big Crimson Fists fan who wants to play my guys as that chapter, even if its not very good at the moment. I've been thinking about using the Pedro Kantor I just converted. He has two auras: your usual to hit re-rolls to all failed rolls at 6" (like any Chapter Master) and +1 Attack on models (not units) at 6". Would you say that he is a good match with the Bladeguards, or is he better assisting Assault Intercessors?
I used them recently, they did good. What confuses me is that being first company, why are they always shown with gold trims? For Ultramaines they should surely be white or for blood and dark angels they shouldn't have coloured trims. Am I missing something, or does the painting team not care for heraldry and just go for aesthetics?
@Aidan Haughton Yes, precisely this, but why? Almost every single bladeguard vet I've seen since has gold trims and its annoying, when they have taken the time to provide a full painting guide in the heraldry. I painted mine gold originally as I copied the box art and painted white over when I later realised they are first company (Mine are Ultramarines)
Definitely getting them for my Blood Angels. It was a tough choice between them and Aggressors. But I'm happy that Primaris have dedicated melee units and these guys are the best looking.
@@DracoMaverick Thats true, but considering the monsters they were before when they could double tap its still a significant nerf, in my opinion at least.
I have played 2 games with them the first one I could not get the charger and got shot to bets and just managed to get one dude into melee but he killed 4 death guard in one round by himself which I thought was good but not great for the cost of the unit the second game they were up against custodies and they went a lot better 1 on 1 they are pretty similar they held their ground long enough for me to win elsewhere
They really need to get to grey knights even though they were one of the later psychic awakening books because despite being marines they are getting none of the toys....
still wondering why admech is using more or less worse version of volklite weapons w/ our blasters on our dominii being H3, S6, AP0, 1D w/ the volklite MW rules
Ok but can you talk about the fact no one except Necrons and SPACE MARINES THEMSELVES will be a challenge to Space Marines. It's to the point now, playing anything else will be an actual detriment to your fun unless you're really pushing your list hard. A space marine can fart out any list they want and have it do ok where everyone else has to seriously consider every bit of their list to maybe make it to round 2
Dude, you're massively exaggerating. Either you don't play the game or you would lose against three year olds. No one's buying this shit and everyone's tired of the incessant negative whining, just stop it or do everyone a favor including yourself and find yourself a different hobby where you actually enjoy yourself. Enough, just take a break at least.
@@Smilomaniac Many people are "buying this shit", that's why your tired of the incessant "whining". The game is totally unbalanced and shit, he is not whining. Worse, there's nothing but wall to wall MuH REENS releases until next frikken year. At this point, its people defending this crap that are the three year olds.
@@BarringtonDailey Many people are buying that you will die against casual lists before making it to turn 2? Good, I hope they all leave the hobby and never come back, because you'd have to be so monumentally incompetent that you wouldn't be worth having in the hobby in the first place. You'd be a literal waste of time playing against. The game is not 'totally inbalanced', don't take my word for it, by the word of people like Tabletop Tactics and tournament channels like Almost Pro Gaming the balance is very *stable* at the moment. It's not wall-to-wall marine releases, Necrons just got a huge helping of models with more to come, but you don't count that because you're focused on what you don't like and the fact that you're not being personally catered to. Get out of the hobby and do something that actually makes you happy to play. This is not the place for you and I'm not saying it only because a lot of us are sick of negative people like you, but because if you're miserable you're doing yourself a disservice and need to do better. If you're sick of losing by the way, change the way you play, don't blame everything else. 40k is not for everyone as much as they want to sell models, it's a competitive scene even in casual.
@@Smilomaniac my guy, look at the comments. Plenty of people are gonna and already are playing bladeguard. They're tougher than chaos terminators. I would like if Auspex observed the current balance we find ourselves in between codices.
@@michaelharris8111 Auspex isn't about balance, watch Tabletop Tactics instead. The reason Bladeguard are tougher is only because of the Storm Shields, which CSM Termies can't bring. SM Assault Termies are tougher for the same reason, besides the codex W upgrade, which will come to CSM as well. Bladeguard are 2pts more expensive than Assault Terminators, for which you lose teleport/customization and gain attack/leadership and 1" movement. The weapon difference is S5 -3 2d vs. S8 -2 3d. Their advantage is the ability to be taken in Impulsors and the extra attack, and then you contend with the difference of stratagems, of which both have their ups and downs. There isn't a balance issue here, there's a whining issue.
Space Marine "Tactics" is an oxymoron at this point. Let me guess, stuff undercosted, overpowered units into a transport that breaks the rules of the game by allowing you to disembark in the movement phase. Said unit with invulnerable save does a "squatting slav" impression on the objective - genius!
what the fuck, balance is absolutely all over the place with 9th. this is messed up. 70 points for 6 good in melee guys, whereas a slightly outfitted guard squad is 70 points and would do hardly anything to these guys before they rape them.
Why do I feel like I'm on a transatlantic flight and the pilot is taking the opportunity to tell the passengers about his Warhammer hobby.
At least that'd make the flight interesting for some people, can't say he wouldn't have a lot to talk about.
The best rule these guys have is the rule of cool - they are absolutely awesome looking.
I personally had to kit bash mine with the Assault Intercessor bodies. I dislike how much crap they have all of their armor.
Love them too, and now mine will get 3d printed Dadao swords to look more white scarsy
@@Russmansur personal taste I guess, I collect heresy Dark Angels so I absolutely love the gothic knights vibe.
I can always swap the head, shield, and sword to my liking. Its those enormous pistols and holsters that drive me nuts. I feel like the bladeguard are over compensating.
Would like to kit bash some wolf guard variants with round shields and axes just for the look
Solid option for the Black Templars, given that they ignore mortal wounds on a 5+
also they are top tier aesthetic win with BT
Ultramarines can buff these guys up with the Standard of Macragge Inviolate. +1 attack, auto passing morale (admittedly not much of a problem at all for them, but it’s nice to have) and the chance to get one more attack on death is great
5 of these + Kor'Sarro hits absurdly hard with the Scars doctrine bonus. Put them in an Impulsor and move that party bus foward!
Doctrine kicking in on turn 3 can be hard though. Most games Ive played are all but decided by turn 3.
@@inscrutablewut adaptive strategy stratagem
@@phrikaphrak40k this
These guys alone have tempted me to start playing marines. I want an army of them.
I would play them as blood angels or black templars
A Salamanders Librarian with Obsidian Aquila and Drakeskin/Fire Shield powers would make for a pretty hard to shift unit, on top of ignoring -1 ap. If I want them in an Impulsor, I think 5 man squad + Primaris Libby is what I'd do. If you have points and warlord traits to spare, maybe give the libby +1 to casting powers, so they go off on a 5 instead of 6.
Salamanders already ignore ap-1 right? so your storm shield terminators can ignore up to ap-2 basically?
@@niolelo no thats not how it works but there very good.
As black templars you can move them in an impulsor, disembark them, move them, and then devout push them into combat. Basically, you can move 26" turn 1 and attack
And with a Judiciar you fight first, right?
@@DaemonicPossession yup
Dont you have to disembark before the tank moves??? Is that a special templars rule?
@@davewalker3873 impulsor has a special rule
@@SuperHalberd ahhh, youve just talked me into buying one......
To address the point in the beginning about how Primaris can be veterans, I’d say that these are probably firstborn vets that crossed the Rubicon Primaris and lived, showing that they have incredible resilience and willpower.
Or as I like to call them, the unit the Impulsor was made for
I like that they can pile into an Impulsor. I agree on the pistols - is only buy one if I had points left over & nothing else to spend then on.
I used the mathhammer page to compare with SW Terminators. Bladeguards are more less equally tough, but they do 50% more damage in terms of number of models killed. They cost more less (5%) the same though.
So essentially, you get 50% more damage for Bladeguard, but the teleport and homer for Terminators.
Poor reivers not even remotely considered as a melee option alternative, especially when you consider they're an elite.
Yeah. They are so cool. Something needs to be done about that. I REALLY want to use them, but never will.
Just use them in a vanguard detachment. I do that here and there for fun. The point is to have fun right.
It says it all about SM codex that 18 points 2W T4 3+ models with -2AP pistols and 4 S4 attacks on the charge before doctrines that can turn off enemy obsec are considered...bad.
@@Skyvlk its bad for an Elite. Its its a troop it would get play. But seriously even on another army what elite would you swap off for this unit
@@shadowknght22 thats my thoughts on reivers. They’d get play a ton as a regular troop unit.
Even for Space Marine Chapters that aren't especially melee-oriented, five of them and the flag in an Impulsor are a really powerful hammer unit that doesn't necessarily need an HQ to babysit them. For Ultras, Scions of Guilliman is a strong stratagem with this kind of unit.
Best looking SM unit currently.
I'm thinking taking some as Black Templar in an Impulsor with a Jusiciar and maybe captain. Bomb up the board, disembark, Devout Push, fight first due to the Judiciar.
Just primed my blade guards, didn't know they could be in units of 6. Converted my ancient, lieutenant, captain and judicar to look like wolf guards
They made that change when the codex dropped. BGV and Eradicators got bumped up to 6 man squads. Outriders stayed at 3 man max.
Nice👍
I really want to paint up an Impulsor in Deathwing colours as a personal taxi for these guys.
I have been running them for my Raven Guard army, with my chapter master with the master of ambush ability I can place them close to the enemy first turn and charge, completely destroyed my friend's space wolves wolf calvary of 6 by round two while only using three bladeguard and the chapter master.
I like to pair them with a warlord with the trait that allows a unit he is near to be obsec.
There basically a squad of lieutenants
These guys still look amazing. Can't wait for the muli-part kit!
I have had a single one of these guys lock up units for 2+ turns. Great unit to stymie annoying shooting units or a solid deep strike screen.
Love these guys, impatiently waiting for the standalone kit for the awesome poses they showed in the codex show!
38 pts for 2+/4++ 3w models extremely effective in cc. always +1atk
me a guard player:
bullgryn:3w, t5, s5 (at least), count as 3 models for transport purpose, and you chose between +2 and 4++ for each model for 43 points. +1 attack only when they charge.
bladeguards should be 5 pts more expensive, or bullgryns should be 5 pts cheaper Imo
PS: and don't forget better stratagems and overall support for bladeguards (bullgryns cannot recive orders or reggiment doctrines, rerolls 1 to hit only with yarrick near them)
When the 8th Guard codex came out it far eclipsed marines in terms of power, and did for months and months.
Just wait until your next codex comes out and no doubt Guard will be rebalanced into 9th just like Marines and Necrons have been.
@@boxy2k8 the thing is that they probably have all the pdfs for all the codexes ready but they won't realease them digitally all at once.
That's why we have the power creep.
if everiting is released at the same time the game would be easier to balance because you would see every op unit in a big picture and then decide if would be better to increase or decrese the power of some units.
as it is now it's just a shitty anticonsumer practice
edit: and I don't like to stomp people so I'm not waiting my codex for that :)
@@krakkentrace6095 for someone who doesn't like to stomp people, you seem to care an awful lot about a power discrepancy between two units in vastly different armies haha. I jest, I jest.
Yes, I know, but releasing shit all at once isn't financially viable for GW for various reasons so it'll never happen. I wish it would. Trust me, as a Dark Angels and Grey Knights player I've been on the wrong side of the power creep for the vast majority of the time I've been playing 40k. It's simply how it is.
As I say, you can complain, but you'll just have to wait for your codex like the rest of us and pray to the gods you're decent. Or write letters to GW I guess, but they're unlikely to change anything when they likely have the next Guard codex already written as you say.
@@krakkentrace6095 or hey, maybe we'll get a big FAQ soon to address some of the imbalances. Though I think that'll likely be April
@@boxy2k8 man I like to make sterile comparisons between units on the web nothing more, nothing less.
Comparing a really good unit with a decent/sub par one, that fullfill the same combat role, doesn't seem like wishing to stomp people to me, but to each their own i guess.
That said ofc I'll wait, but I like to think and criticize the products that I have and like :)
Same thing will happen when my codex will come out
A duel/battle between Lychguards and these guys is something I would absolutely LOVE to see.
Very promising :) I for one welcome my new wolf Guard brothers :D
When you field them as. Full squad in crusade force at 10pl....
Combined with the battle honour that gives ability to start in assault doctrine.
Then you make them white scars.
On turn 1 you advance charge them into the enemy
Suddenly you get 25 attacks hitting on 3's s5 -4 flat 3 dmg
With the blade guard ancient and white scar ancient relic you can make it 25 attacks hitting on 2's strength 6 -4 flat 3
They suddenly seem increadibly undercosted.
I could definitely see making a dark angels (or successor) unit of these using the shields and/or swords from the heresy era dark angels unit coming out (companions I think?) and using the fancy bodies to make very cool veterans. Worth a think...
They are shockingly good as Ultramarines also being able to charge, fall back shoot and charge again makes them an extremly scary counter punch unit, and a massive threat to most armies who want to engage an Ultras army asap. You can also put them in tactical for that extra -1 ap and ofc rerolls to miss and wound like most ultra units a unit of blade guard and victrix together make for a very scary melee threat to any army. I think they are prob best as Dark Angles Ultras or Fists back line counter punch/sweeper. Space Wolves Blood Angles and White Scars require them to be in a transport to keep up with the army.
For Dark Angles tho I feel like Terminarors do the same job but are more compeditive.
Been thinking how with my Space Wolves and Space Sharks how to maximize them in an Impulsor. One apothecary and a captain perhaps?
The ability to bring them back with apothecaries would be good. I was considering the bladeguard ancient for the +1 to hit. Only issue being the amount of other good elites to take crowing it out ofa spot in the army. Possibly a librarian for null zone, epsecially if there's a lot of harlequins in the current meta.
Chaplin is a must
Ive just played them with adrax and the banner. Didnt work amazingly but still did damage, ill be trying tge banner and a chaplin next.
Dark Angels work too. +1 to hit if they haven't moved and they have the Deathwing keyword so the Pennant of Remembrance gives a 5+++ and that Ancient can take Steadfast Example to give them obsec.
Surely the fight on death ability makes the ancient worth it?
I think so, yeah. In Ultramarines you can give the ancient a relic banner, which also adds +1 attack and auto-pass morale, so even better.
5 in an impulsor with an apothecary is going to be a thorn in your opponents side for the entire game. So hard to shift. Just don't get wrapped and stuck in the vehicle!
I used them with a master of sanctity(+1 to wound and +2 to charge), a BG chapter ancient (+1 to hit, ultramarines relic banner +1 attack and ObSec WLT) and a relic contemptor (melta, CML and CW I put wisdom of the ancients to re roll wounds of 1) and they completely destroyed my opponent’s flank, a maxed squad of skorpekhs, heavy destroyers, 5 man immortal unit and a command barge thing (the shooting one I just can’t remember the name) even as ultramarines they are my new favourite unit I’m well on my way to having a mobile melee ultramarines army!
You mentioned auto-hitting assault doctrine for Black Templars. Do we still have unique assault doctrine effects? I didn't see that in the codex or Black Templars index.
I know I love to pair these guys with the judiciar and the captain. So much power
I wonder why they have 3 wounds, when veteran Intercessors only have 2 wounds. These must be even more veteran than the other veterans!
maybe the shields?
Wondering whether to put them in a DW army just as a solid melee for when SIA fails me
One thing I find funny is I have had a 10-man squad of Vanguard Veterans in full Storm Shields + Power Swords since 5th edition, thought at the time "I'm using the word Spartan in my Chapter's name might as well make a shield wall unit right?". They were WAY to squishy back then but with the new Apothecary stats/rules & 1 more wound I think I'll just deploy them as two squads of 5-man Company Veterans since they would gain the "Bodyguard" rule & can take 1 squad without using a elite slot if I have a Captain (Which would then allow me to take a upgraded Apothecary without filling a slot too).
On a sub-note is this "Bodyguard" rule just "Lookout, Sir" with a different name or a better version?
9th Edition Deathstar unit. Expensive in two Impulsors with characters and a squad of 6, but I've yet to find something they can't reach out and kill.
10 veterans with lighting claws in a drop pod+ a chaplain on bike. The chaplain runs 20 inches and sings the +2 charge prayer, the drop pod lands at his side, if the chapter has a +1 to charge, you have a 6 inch charge with 50 attacks at str 4, -2 ap rerolling to wound using the veteran unit. I think that wiht blood angels this could be a strong turn 1 trick
Or drop pod with 8 veterans a chaplain and a chapter champion. The chaplain uses the strategem that allows it to recite a litany in any phase successfully, and the champion uses the warlord trait that allows for re-rolls to charge around him. We are now talking 83% chance of a success full charge (92% if the chapter has a +1 to charge)
@@tristomand In any phase? I must have read it wrong then...
@@jaimedelamotasanchis6205 Jep any phase other than command
@@tristomand Even better, since I play minotuaurs I can put Ivanus Enkomi inside of the drop pod
@@jaimedelamotasanchis6205 and unlike the other way you don't risk the litany failing :D but it does cost 2 CP
I use them as imperial fist :D
I do love them in BT. They can swallow so much terrain - 14+3 inch from disembarking, then normal move + rerolled advance, and can still engage with devout push with a 3 inch pile in. Put an apothecary for returning models or a company bladeguard champion to give them obsec and they are a threat that must instantly be dealt with
Are you moving your units after disembarking from a vehicle that's moved in the same turn?
@@Huckleberry_Sid Yes, you can move and advance after disembarking from an impulsor that moved, you just cant charge
@@hrvojegrgic-akovic5552 Pretty sure you can't do that. Impulsors allow embarked units to disembark after the impulsor has moved, but the rules for transports state that models within a transport that has moved count also as having moved that turn. You can only move/advance after disembarking if the transport itself hasn't moved.
@@Huckleberry_Sid Units can normally disembark if the transport has not moved. The impulsor allows you to disembark even if it has moved. After the disembarking the units count as if having moved, but there is no rule to stop them from doing a move, fall back or advance. There is no rule stating that you cant move if the transport moved, it says that you cant disembark if the transport moved.
@@hrvojegrgic-akovic5552 From the Transport Rules "For all rules purposes, units that are embarked within a transport model that has made a Normal Move, Advanced, Fallen Back or Remained Stationary also count as having made that same kind of move that turn."
I read that as saying if the impulsor has moved, and the unit within disembarks using the impulsor rule that allows them to do such, they don't get to make an additional move because they are counted as having moved already by virtue of the impuslor having moved.
I just played against a SW list that had these in it. Absolutely a brutal unit. They are basically required in all SM list now. They are just too hard to shift without dedicating an absurd amount of firepower to remove them.
Thank you for the sugestion of squads of five. I was planning to get them as stand-ins for primaris commad squad. I might even use the other sergeant as a lieutenant.
Finally a good reason to get an Impulsor!
BT Doctrine doesn't exist in their FAQ any more. We still get re-roll charges/advances but no auto-wounding any more.
personally i think termis with storm shields and lightening claws are still better and cheaper just a bit slower and a bit less versatile though a single troop choice of ranged units that focus on the air targets makes up for their one weakness
Definitely about to build a 4 x Impulsor with 5 x Bladeguard w/Apoth, White Scars army.
They are more or less mini custodes
I cannot wait for these guys to walk up the field with ragnar or a judicier. Very much looking forward to the MTO indomitus boxes finaly shipping.
Why do they get 3 wounds? Why do the bikes have 4? And the gocart 8?
Because, marines. Duh.
Heavy armor, but not as heavy as gravis probably
@@BIFInvaider heavier than terminator plate though
@@michaelharris8111 not as efficient though, mankind can't replicate them
I'm a big Crimson Fists fan who wants to play my guys as that chapter, even if its not very good at the moment. I've been thinking about using the Pedro Kantor I just converted. He has two auras: your usual to hit re-rolls to all failed rolls at 6" (like any Chapter Master) and +1 Attack on models (not units) at 6".
Would you say that he is a good match with the Bladeguards, or is he better assisting Assault Intercessors?
BT Litaines, the one that gives you a 5+++ would be really good
I used them recently, they did good. What confuses me is that being first company, why are they always shown with gold trims? For Ultramaines they should surely be white or for blood and dark angels they shouldn't have coloured trims. Am I missing something, or does the painting team not care for heraldry and just go for aesthetics?
@Aidan Haughton Yes, precisely this, but why? Almost every single bladeguard vet I've seen since has gold trims and its annoying, when they have taken the time to provide a full painting guide in the heraldry. I painted mine gold originally as I copied the box art and painted white over when I later realised they are first company (Mine are Ultramarines)
Definitely getting them for my Blood Angels. It was a tough choice between them and Aggressors. But I'm happy that Primaris have dedicated melee units and these guys are the best looking.
Doesn't hurt that aggressors got hit with the nerf stick.
@@Wildcat425B it didn't seem that bad a nerf. They still have lots firepower on the move
@@DracoMaverick Thats true, but considering the monsters they were before when they could double tap its still a significant nerf, in my opinion at least.
I have played 2 games with them the first one I could not get the charger and got shot to bets and just managed to get one dude into melee but he killed 4 death guard in one round by himself which I thought was good but not great for the cost of the unit the second game they were up against custodies and they went a lot better 1 on 1 they are pretty similar they held their ground long enough for me to win elsewhere
Good thing every other chapter has useful bonuses to melee but we better take away ANYTHING f-ing useful for Imperial Fists.
black templars dont have the auto wound on 6's anymore. we lost our superdoctrine
ragnar + 5 of them in and impulsor with 5++, basically a kill everything durable af party bus thank you GW
Bladeguard with judiciar and devot push for black templars is an easy win
They really need to get to grey knights even though they were one of the later psychic awakening books because despite being marines they are getting none of the toys....
Can you take then As 5 man squads instead of 6?
Salamander s strength of primarch strats is all i'm saying :)
All i see are bits for primaris Sanguinary Guard
SW and DA give them bonus keywords it would be amazing if BA could give them the Black Rage by making them death company
Why are they first company with gold trim? All Ultramarines have gold trim apparently. 🤦🏻♂️
Take squad of three with bladeguard ancient and bladeguard Lt in an impulsor
And the judicar. The go hunting character's.
I think taking a chaplain instead of a judiciar might be more effective
@@TrumpIsYourPrez2024 agreed the interrogator chaplain for DA are especially good as they have inner circle
Because of Deathwing they get all the deathwing command buffs. Ancient banner and relic banner invuln etc.
still wondering why admech is using more or less worse version of volklite weapons w/ our blasters on our dominii being H3, S6, AP0, 1D w/ the volklite MW rules
Ok but can you talk about the fact no one except Necrons and SPACE MARINES THEMSELVES will be a challenge to Space Marines. It's to the point now, playing anything else will be an actual detriment to your fun unless you're really pushing your list hard. A space marine can fart out any list they want and have it do ok where everyone else has to seriously consider every bit of their list to maybe make it to round 2
Dude, you're massively exaggerating. Either you don't play the game or you would lose against three year olds. No one's buying this shit and everyone's tired of the incessant negative whining, just stop it or do everyone a favor including yourself and find yourself a different hobby where you actually enjoy yourself. Enough, just take a break at least.
@@Smilomaniac Many people are "buying this shit", that's why your tired of the incessant "whining". The game is totally unbalanced and shit, he is not whining. Worse, there's nothing but wall to wall MuH REENS releases until next frikken year. At this point, its people defending this crap that are the three year olds.
@@BarringtonDailey Many people are buying that you will die against casual lists before making it to turn 2?
Good, I hope they all leave the hobby and never come back, because you'd have to be so monumentally incompetent that you wouldn't be worth having in the hobby in the first place. You'd be a literal waste of time playing against.
The game is not 'totally inbalanced', don't take my word for it, by the word of people like Tabletop Tactics and tournament channels like Almost Pro Gaming the balance is very *stable* at the moment.
It's not wall-to-wall marine releases, Necrons just got a huge helping of models with more to come, but you don't count that because you're focused on what you don't like and the fact that you're not being personally catered to.
Get out of the hobby and do something that actually makes you happy to play. This is not the place for you and I'm not saying it only because a lot of us are sick of negative people like you, but because if you're miserable you're doing yourself a disservice and need to do better.
If you're sick of losing by the way, change the way you play, don't blame everything else. 40k is not for everyone as much as they want to sell models, it's a competitive scene even in casual.
@@Smilomaniac my guy, look at the comments. Plenty of people are gonna and already are playing bladeguard. They're tougher than chaos terminators. I would like if Auspex observed the current balance we find ourselves in between codices.
@@michaelharris8111 Auspex isn't about balance, watch Tabletop Tactics instead.
The reason Bladeguard are tougher is only because of the Storm Shields, which CSM Termies can't bring. SM Assault Termies are tougher for the same reason, besides the codex W upgrade, which will come to CSM as well.
Bladeguard are 2pts more expensive than Assault Terminators, for which you lose teleport/customization and gain attack/leadership and 1" movement.
The weapon difference is S5 -3 2d vs. S8 -2 3d.
Their advantage is the ability to be taken in Impulsors and the extra attack, and then you contend with the difference of stratagems, of which both have their ups and downs.
There isn't a balance issue here, there's a whining issue.
Sadly as cool as they are they are a non-unit until Primaris get a non-idiotic looking transport.
Assault Termies are still the kings of CC
Shhhh, they will hear you
Imagine Blood Angels +1 to damage rolls as well
I think thats white scars
Space Marine "Tactics" is an oxymoron at this point. Let me guess, stuff undercosted, overpowered units into a transport that breaks the rules of the game by allowing you to disembark in the movement phase. Said unit with invulnerable save does a "squatting slav" impression on the objective - genius!
Can I stick these guys in a drop pod?
Nah Primaris boys don't fit
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Looks disappointed at wraithguard, blade units. Get outmatched by humans with a cross shields. WTF 😒
Ah but they’re badass lookin humans with cross shields
@@jamesdo8988 you like what you like. The first words that comes to mind when I look at marines is thick boy, thunder thighs/calves
Skull shield is dumb. Breaks lore of Primaris moving away from skills for "MORZ SKILLZ!" for no reason.
what the fuck, balance is absolutely all over the place with 9th. this is messed up. 70 points for 6 good in melee guys, whereas a slightly outfitted guard squad is 70 points and would do hardly anything to these guys before they rape them.
Sorry, might have been a bit unclear in the slide, 35pts per model!
My friend plays BA and has these. I hate them.
Salamanders ignore ap-1, making these guys even more annoying.
oof that opening line. Everyone with the ability to deduce information, to answer the question. Granted few and far between in the hobby.
Can you take then As 5 man squads instead of 6?