"The Acolyte" Episode Six: A 'revealing' episode or just more mystery for the sake of mystery?
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Hey Thor, that whole "once you lose everything you're free to do anything" line is just Tyler Durden from Fight Club.
Then they should just give all their money back to their paying customers. Great idea.
That is nothing new to say. It`s part of that dumb saying "The most free (or dangerous) person in the world is someone, who has nothing left to lose." It`s really common. You don`t need to point your finger at that and say "it`s just stolen from an other movie!"
Although I agree with you in general, it's well known that the showrunners explicitly said that Fight club was one of the inspirations foe the theme of the show. She literally made anyone who hadn't seen it watch the film.. so it's not unreasonable to look for the similarities.
🙄. Of course, they can't just reference like old mythology or some sort of philosophy that the Sith were based on. No, they have to use pop culture.
You think Tyler Durden invented Buddhist philosophy?
Here's some western philosophy for you, then: Dumb people think they're smart because they don't even know what they don't know.
The Darth Cheeks joke was nice :)
You could even say that this peeping scene showed the Dark Side of the moon ^^
Darth cheeks is a thing now huh 😂😂
That was good!
Ngl... While stupid. Would've made the episode a little more enjoyable to watch lol
Tyrone Magnus made an interesting point: this show should’ve been Qimir’s story. Now that we’ve learned more about him, he’s been hella more interesting than both sisters! lol
Villains are more interesting than the heroes because we as an audience want to see why they turned evil and how they are different from regular people who are neutral good.
I don't like Tyrone Magnus but he does have a good idea there. I think that would have been very interesting. I do like Qimir's character. I also like Sol too. Don't really care for anyone else.
@@achaudhari101 True, but I wouldn't describe Osha or Mae as heroes so that doesn't excuse how paper thin and boring both of them are.
@@achaudhari101except sisters are very not good heroes
or at least had the main character be Mae, rather than Osha… with a different actress.
and maybe the inciting event is Osha getting killed, because they’re not nearly interesting enough to warrant to separate characters 😑
How Master Sol is the immediate suspect for killing all the Jedi boggles my mind. Are you telling me to believe that someone thinks Sol would go Awol, kill his padawan and everyone on his team, and then do what exactly. It makes no sense that any of the Jedi would only suspect Sol. Like the possibility of a powerful force user ambushing Sols’ party is nonexistent in the minds of the recovery team. The shows answer for how the Jedi didn’t realize the Sith are still around is literally just that the Jedi are incredibly dumb. The writing is just terrible, how can anyone defend it?
We’ll see how it happens next week.
@@achaudhari101 my prediction is that Sol will die and he’ll be blamed for all the deaths posthumously.
He’ll definitely be killed but probably in the final episode since he is the only survivor that would know about Quimir’s existence.
Well he is a man in a Kathleen Kennedy IP.
It makes perfect sense. If jedi are the only force users in the galaxy, and a bunch are killed and the jedi master ran away, why wouldn't you suspect them? Who else could it be? They don't think the twins are capable of killing them all. So who else is there, aside from the master who is missing?
Qimir's scars look an awful lot like he was whipped. Who do we know that has a light whip?. Hmm?
Guess back then lightsabers didn’t kill people either.
Zygerrians?
Yah she put the light whip on Master, so she could whip him for their sex games.
If that is true, Qimir would truly be Smilo Ren
Seems more like a scar from sith lightning.
I think it would be cool to see a "Bad guy" perspective show kind of like that Andor sub-plot. The problem with Darksiders is they're Evil, they aren't misunderstood or painted poorly or whatever. As you explained and as explained by Lucas they are selfish, greedy and lust for power which is definitely something I don't want being glorified or humanized. The big problem acolyte writers don't understand is it isn't a matter of perspective, they're evil, case closed. However, someone fighting for the Empire or helping the Sith or what not would be a cool concept for a story, someone working for Evil but no necessarily evil themselves
@@wookieezzz2551 The end of the Journey to being a Sith is evil and selfish but there is a Journey to get there
Were Anakin Skywalker's motives to joining the Sith evil or was it more complex,
You can have Qimir as the end result a Jedi killer and practitioner of the Dark side but he had a starting point a life and events that brought him there.
This entire show feels like a rough draft instead of finished product.
Wish they didn’t drag out this Sol confession for so damn long. Thought tonight was gonna be the reveal and still nothing 😭
I gotta admit you have a good point. This is why I prefer binging when the episodes are all out.
Why can't they do the Netflix model, especially if they want as many people to tune in for the month.
You do it weekly, people are just gonna wanna wait until they're all out in some random month once the hype dies down
This
Well next week is supposed to have a bunch more flashbacks so
@@oXRaptorzXo bro, next week is the second to last episode. It’s so drawn out.
Bruttah alen't you velly exrited tro hlear hlim spreakah tro you lrikah thrisha whlen hre finarry grets to the proint???
It's so frustrating because you can tell there's the bones of an actual really good and interesting story, but the execution just isn't there. So many of the character decisions and motivations don't make sense. Especially Mae. The idea of her only joining the dark side for revenge and coming back to the light when she finds out her sister is still alive is great, but why is she so inconsistent with her decisions? First she wants to turn herself in, then she decides to kill the jedi, then tries to turn Osha to her side, only to then leave her for dead and sneak onto the ship with Sol to kill him? WHAT DOES MAE EVEN WANT AT THIS POINT.
The biggest problem with the show is characters with unclear wants. If every character's wants were clear to the writers, the story will naturally correct itself (there would still be some problems, but the show wouldn't be so broken).
I think the Jedi are not necessarily dumb but are narcissistic caring more about how they are perceived than the will of the force.
I think we can't tell what Mae actually wants because Mae doesn't know what she wants.
Osha, well she just wants to be left alone and nobody will. I understand. From her point of view everybody is intrusive.
Sol ,poor guy he is good hearted like Qui Gon but surrounded by the deaf, dumb, and blind.
I think everyone needs to watch venestra she is the wild card. I believe she was Qimir's former jedi master.
I feel like a lot of people don’t know this, but two writers from House of the Dragon were in the writing room, which is crazy to me. Dialogue is one the best parts of HotD and worst parts of this show, I don’t understand what happened?
Yeah the writer wrote the first ep of HOTD if I recall correctly. It has to be a Disney problem then. What are they saying in those writing rooms?? Every show they come out with save for Andor seems like it's been written by a 13 year old.
Hotter heads have prevailed...
I said the show runner and other people reviewing the script and making changes is the difference between this show and Hotd
The Game of Thrones/HoD audience is WAY more mature than the Star Wars audience. That gives a writer a lot more freedom to craft a story.
The SW fandom broke out into a civil war over Ki-Adi-Mundi's birthday two weeks ago. We have "expert" influencers who know nothing about the franchise except what happened in the first six films. We have "lore purists" who don't know the damn lore. Pleasing this audience is like asking a writer to create a story using a broken typewriter while wearing a straightjacket.
Hey Thor, do you think this lazy written and poorly acted story will keep the well written, superbly acted Andor from ever be given a chance by the fandom. It makes me sad because Andor (at least season one) is sooo good.
This show shines as an example of the vast gulf between "IDEA" and "EXECUTION".
So it's authentic to the prequel films then?
@@Thed538dhsk Not at all. The execution part is when it vanishes like Willow, because there is no box office money. The 180 million dollar budget was the subscription money they already collected.
@@ian8477 wdym?
The last 2 episode were definitle better than the rest honestly. Atleast in my oppinion
man, you tried to compare The fucking Phantom Menace with Acolyte?
Jar Jar binks adventures is better than this. Im watching just for the actors, it not their fault.
I would agree that there are parts to this episode that I found quite engaging. I actually really liked Qimir’s temptation of OSHA because he was doing the classic “show, don’t tell” with her. He wasn’t directing giving her the answer but was instead giving her enough clues and motivation to find the answers on her own.
However, I think this episode displayed the main flaws of the show. Fundamentally, the show has three main angles.
1. The Jedi have become increasingly political and bureaucratic, and the show seeks to demonstrate just how far they have fallen.
2. The Jedi, led by Indarra, committed or were part of some terrible act, and this past has come back to haunt them.
3. A dark side user by the name of Qimir is searching for an apprentice.
If well written, you can demonstrate all three angles working together to form a cohesive story. Unfortunately, due to the writing and the short run times, we’re really only left with bits and pieces of a unified story with most of the plot lines veering around each other and rarely intersecting.
If they had a production team who was more focused on making a quality story than fitting in every tired agenda analog trope, they would have had a chance to pull it off.
I feel like a lot of people don't know this, but two writers from House of the Dragon were on the writing team for this show, which is crazy to me. Dialogue is one the best parts of HotD and worst parts of this show, I don't understand what happened?
@@JoRoq1 I don't really think this show suffers from agenda messaging so much as it suffers from bad writing in general. There have been a couple elements, like the witches and oppression along with the Jedi and who has the right to wield power.
However, I think a competent writer could have combined these elements and written a compelling story.
I recently watched through all of The Orville, and the political messaging is quite clear throughout the show. However, the writers approach the topics with a lot of nuance, and they generally don't bash you over the head with their perspective.
3:24
to be fair “when you lose everything, thats when your finally free” from a darkside perspective can be interpreted as
“when you lose everything you love, thats when you can enact your freedom”
lose implies something is stolen or taken by someone as if someone is trying to take away their possesions
from a sith perspective freedom isn’t liberty but instead power, individuality & victory
which contrasts the jedi’s idea of freedom as selfnessess, fulfilment and greater wisdom
so losing everything would give a darkside an excuse to enact revenge and later achieve power and victory
qimir saying the phrase and also other lightside things was a way for him to make osha more trusting towards him for him to further corrupt her, hence the name of the episode “teach/corrupt”
"Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me."
If you see loving others as a chain, then it _does_ all make sense.
Very well said, I was just about to comment something like this.
Whenever Qimir talks about wanting to be free to do as he pleases, he's probably referencing the Sith code, not denouncing the Jedi as oppressive or unjust.
Freedom (as in the ability to use one's power to change the galaxy as one sees fit) is the ultimate objective of all Sith; friendship, family and relationships are obstacles to real freedom as they impose limits on one's actions, that's why many Sith end up killing people they deeply cared about, by doing that they free themselves from the last thing that still anchored them to their humanity. Darth Malgus killed his lover, Anakin killed Padme, Palpatine killed his family, Dooku killed Yaddle; there are likely many other examples, but yes, Sith in a way let go of attachments too, because at the end of the day the only thing they care about is power and if anything lessens your power or restricts how you can make use of it, it should be eliminated.
Qimir's character is definitely one of the few good parts of this show, I think he pretty much nails what it means to be Sith.
It seems like Venestra was the master of Qimir. I mean, just look at his scar the fact that Venestra is carrying a whip
@@svetabogush8266 - whip lashing scars should be straight, and wouldn’t a lightsaber whip just go straight through him?
what is even the purpose of a light whip? just having long range?
Ha you figured it out. I hadn't even thought about that
@@Sam_T2000 Well, it might be a few scars overlapping though. And a whip cracks, if you're at the very end of the laser whip and it cracks on your back it would just cut you, not slice through you.
@@carlopaez3380 - I guess so 🤷🏻♂️
I think maybe it was in the High Republic books first, but it just seems like a silly, impractical weapon for a Jedi to have.
@Sam_T2000 The lightwhip has been around in Legends for a while. I'm not sure what it's first appearance was, but the one that comes to mind is the Sith Githany, Darth Bane's girlfriend.
Come to think of it, the only time in Legends the lightwhip has come up has been from a dark side user. To my knowledge, at least.
“At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we will have our revenge…except for that time when a NAMED Sith turned up and killed like ten Jedi…” - Darth Maul in the Phantom Menace.
sometimes Sith happens
Hey Thor, first question ever made. Moving away from the Acolyte topic for a bit, I always wondered what was Kylo Renn refering to when he said "Ill finish what you started". What did Vader start that Kylo Renn felt that he had to finish? In my canon the sequels never happened but even when ep VII came out and I was exited for it i was like "what the heck is he talking about?" thank you, love your channel
I bet with 100% confidence this show used the first draft they wrote with ZERO revisions or rewrites, that's why the writing is so flimsy and amateurish.
Or the notes/revision from Disney, KK, and others needed to Disneyfy-dumbo it down. There were reported ‘reshoots’ in this monstrosity of a Star Wars series along with the delays. Ep. 6 was long, boring and drawn out….I’m expecting it to have a very lame ending.
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Yeah. Leslie said that she wrote a story that she loved then KK said, “that’s a good Star Wars story, now write a good Leslie headland story.” So she changed a ton. I’m guessing that change didn’t go through much editing. I wouldn’t be surprised if those leaks from a while ago with “darth paul” and all that were from the original script. Then everything got changed around. This show had lots of potential.
@@fortheloveofpipes8432….Likely by a factory reset Trash dumpster droid!
@@oXRaptorzXo I recall Meg covered that leak well….some plot threads are similar.
A story about a Sith apprentice and their philosophy vs a Jedi apprentice and their philosophy at the same time has already been done to perfection levels of success and story writing.
Its a book called The Rule of Two, the second novel in Darth Bane.
JJ's mystery box strikes again!
Jar Jars fuckery box 🤹🏼♂️🎪🤡
Disney demands 6-8 episodes so you buy 2 months of Disney+ to watch it. That's it. That's the only reason. They've shown for years now they don't care if they have enough content to actually fill that many episodes.
I find this show interesting. I'm looking forward to the next episode.
I think Mae initially planned to kill him then change her mind, as Mae always does, so she could find out from Sol the truth of what happened with the witches. Sol always knew it was her, which is weird because he was ok leaving Osha with the Sith.
Mae pointed out to Sol that when you are distracted, like emotional or distressed, upset (as he was) that your mind gets clouded. To which he gave her a look and seemed to calm down some. Shortly after he decided that she was really Mae, not Osha. It was the first time I think that he actually looked her in the face on the ship. Her forehead tatoo was evident after she was stunned.
Watch them still find a way to make Sol stretch out explaining everything next week.
It was intentionally drawn out. The think they made the greatest mystery masterpiece ever. You just don't recognize there genius.
Watching Osha get hot and bothered seeing the Sith naked after witnessing him murder mutiple Jedi she actually knew was the same as seeing Rey get turned on seeing Kylo shirtless right after witnessing him murder Han solo. So I’m just gonna say are sociopaths writing Star Wars or do women just like psychopathic murders?
Latter.
The answer you’re searching for, is YES
Absolutely! Made no sense to me that Rey was the one not willing to give up on Kylo when all she had seen was his murdery side (instead of Luke, his own flesh and blood who had years of happy memories of his nephew). Any same woman would be trying to stop any kind of link with a killer, not thirsting after him! This is less space opera and more "You: Space Edition."
Of course we do - in fiction. Look how many times more fan edits Crosshair has than the other Bad Batchers - most by people with names like Darth Sharon
Women like assholes, been that way for a thousand years.
Didnt they Said the Show was all about the twins? They feel more Like Plot driven Sidekicks for soel and quimir then Protagonists themself
Yeah, Osha feels really passive and is only there for Audience Surrogacy. Which leads me to believe the entire show is from her perspective and as each episode goes on the Jedi get worse and the Sith look better.
Qimir's vision of freedom is very twisted, as was shown in Ep. 5. He wants to be free to kill people and be more powerful in the Force. Also using "lose" instead of "let go" hints at what he really believes in, as Thor mentioned.
Sol is in his Dark Cave moment, fighting his Dark Side after suppressing it for years.
I could understand Maes thought process this time. She wanted to sneak on Sol and kill him, but then he said he wanted to confess to the council. She than wanted to help him get there, so he could confess.
Sols mind is more clouded. He wants to confess, I don`t really understand why now? He was clouded by his feelings, which is probably why he didn`t sense it`s Mae and not Osha?
3:23 Losing (or Let go) aren`t really a Jedi or Sith thing. Both sides say you should let go, but they differ in what and how.
Jedi want you to hold the things/people you love close be ready to let go, when something/-one you love gets lost and you have to live without it. And they don`t want you to get too close with that something/-one, so that it doesn`t cloud your mind to much.
The Sith want you to actively cut your ties with everything you love, because that holds you back to become powerful, or at least want you to ignore that. And when you lose it/them, it shouldn`t matter to you.
The Jedi still want you to care about the things/people you lose and the Sith want you to care about nothing but yourself.
What Qimir says is more in line with the Sith than the Jedi, because he talks about everything being better, when you don`t have something else to care about than yourself.
(I hope I made myself understandable. I`m really bad at explaining as specially in an other language.)
Oh my god these episodes need to be longer than 30 f*king minutes
They don't have anything to fill them with.
So your masochistic?
@@ian8477no they do.
These episodes are certified idiot sandwiches.
This is looking like they could have made this into 5 episodes - 1&2, 3, 4&5, 6&7, 8. Really throws the flow off with the episode structure they have.
@@charles3688 I agree, it feels like a movie script/length cut into episodes. Disney plus would’ve been better off hyping it up as a movie and releasing it on their platform
Hey Thor, is it interesting that Ki Adi Mundi might be covering up a scandal, the same thing Headland is frequently accused of herself for how she got this show?
Amandla Stenberg has all the range of a Daisy air rifle.
Yeah she's brutal. And the fact that she's playing two main characters really brings the show down a peg further
Can't fathom why this episode crawled so slowly. Super annoying to wait a week for basically nothing.
fathom
@@TheMinskyTerrorist autocorrect
Sol not being able to detect Mae for that long was ridiculous... especially when she's about to kill him
Either that, or he chose to play dumb for that amount of time because…reasons. Do the writers really think that the audience would believe that Sol is an idiot?
I can’t make my mind up about this show.
I will say, Qimir and Sol are doing a lot of the heavy lifting, and it's great. We don't know what darkness Sol is hiding, and Qimir is really doing a great job of sewing seeds.
In fact, part of me wouldn't be surprised if he is no longer "Sith" (I was convinced he was after last week's episode, now less so). Hard to say without knowing more, but I could see him having been an apprentice to a Sith Lord, but being cast aside.
I was also convinced that this week we would see what happened on Bendok, or at least be told more about it.
And instead, it doesn't feel like a lot was covered.
Even my kid said "That's it?" when the credits began. There were nice moments, good dialogue with Qimir, little things. But ultimately the pacing of the story and it being 30 min episodes and it being a week apart really kills the momentum and enjoyment.
I just wish all episodes were dropped at once, or at least, dropped in 2 or 3 batches. I feel like anyone watching the show when everything is out will have a better experience since the "necessary, but slow" episodes can be immediately followed up by the more engaging and revealing ones.
If nothing else, I just wish there was more. I don't need a fight between Osha and Qimir before she begins to listen. I just want more conversation between all these characters. They're fine, but just brief.
I want to hear more from Qimir as he tries to persuade Osha to follow him.
I want Osha to go more into her conflicted feelings about the Jedi and killing Qimir.
I want Mae to go more into her conflicted feelings about Qimir and killing Jedi.
I want to hear more about the politics that is going on with the Jedi.
What is Vernestra thinking?
All of the scenes we had could have had more time to breathe and expand. Longer episode with a bit more depth.
And I don't know if that is a writer thing or a Disney thing. Did Leslye and the writing room say "30 minute episodes"? Or did Disney?
Could they have pushed back and said "release it in batches. Or all at once."?
I can only hope the last two episodes actually have depth to them.
A Force user is never unarmed. Folks need to be told that.
As a twin myself I used a cheeky "oh... and I promise my brother is the evil twin... not me" when flirting with a woman... because its such a cheap soap opera trope - that its intentionally gringe. I sooooo hope they dont really switch Osha to the dark side and Mae to the light side. So cheap that it hurts.
I doubt Mae is turning to the light. Mae will be vindicated after Sol confesses and sacrifices himself.
@@leefchapman I don´t watch it. So I dont know what exactly happend in this episode till Thor tells me. But yes - I hope Mae doesn´t turn from killing is bad unless you are a bug to the dark side because there are bad Jedis.
@@TB-iq7gx You probably should watch the show also,
This is only Thorskywalker's perspective
And while I enjoy seeing other people's perspectives and what I do and do not agree with,
The only way to do that with a solid foundation is by having my own experience of the show.
@@neutronstarpilot4393 oh no - I am a picky eater when it comes to storytelling I have to pay for. I really enjoy people geeking out about lore, storytelling, structure and so on. But shows have to be the right way for me. An episode of Law and Order will never be as cool as The Wire and I pretty much pay to see The Wire and I maybe watch Law and Order when it comes on. (but I watch the "is this copaganda" youtubevideos for both of the shows)... same with star wars. Andor is The Wire for me - I pay for it and enjoy every second... Acolyte is like Law and Order - if it would be on standard cable I probably would watch it when it comes up.
The only difference between the Law and Order/The Wire and Andor/Acolyte is, that I think the Law and Order guys are aware that they make formularic "Cable TV" and I am not sure The Acolyte Showrunner know they are making the equivalent - what we now call "Streaming Content"
;-) Oh and I am not as much of a snob as it sounds like. I enjoy bad and mid-level Content. I think its just ... growing up with cable makes you not wanna spend money on TV thats not cinema.
One could say we almost saw "the dark side" of the force in this episode 🌑
I kinda liked this episode. Qimir, or whatever his real name is, is easily the most interesting character in the series, and I think the show would've been better if it was all about him instead of the twins. The Sol and Mae scenes were mostly good, though he should've realized it was her sooner. I assume next week will be another flashback to Brendok told from Sol's perspective, which I guess I'm interested in. The weakest part was Vernestra, who continues to be an emotionless robot, and the idiot Padawan, who looks at the dead Jedi and assumes Sol did it. At least the orange dust was just dust and not hallucinogenic spores.
I agree. This was actually the first episode that kept my attention. Whoever wrote this episode shouldve done the first 5. Much more excited now.
Planks of wood act better than Venestra’s actor.
Hey Thor, I have been hating the Acolyte but this episode I actually enjoyed. I found that Hanelle Culpepper’s direction brought out good visual storytelling aspects that have been missing from this show. The Qimir and Osha scenes were definitely a strong aspect of why I admire this episode. I think the direction in the episode brought out really good emotional acting in these characters, especially Amandla. It was very surprising to see her actually cry.
I do believe this planet to be Ahch-To because it would be very poetic to have once had a civilization that peacefully coexisted with others that have religious ties to both the Light and Dark. However I do see people suggesting it is Bal’Demnic from the Plagueis Novel.
I felt this episode was attempting to allude to the Force being more than just a dichotomy but this still conflicts with what George established. I think this has nice implications for an underlying message but sadly it just conflicts with the lore of Star Wars.
The Qimir and Osha nakey scene felt very weird but I think this was an attempt by Qimir to play on her baser emotions and coerce her.
There absolutely was potential in this episode but the poor writing and overall direction of this show heavily detracts from it.
I’ve seen very interesting discussions arise from this episode. A really good theory is that Osha may have the ability to use Battle Meditation which would be a decent explanation for why Mae’s desires keep changing seemingly on a whim. It’s still really dumb that Sol allowed the bugs to carry a literal Sith away and then be so apprehensive about telling the Order that they’ve returned.
I still don’t like the show but this episode definitely stood out for me.
Your theory about Vernestra being the Sith Master has some hope yet. The curvy scar on Qimir's back and the introduction to Vernestra's lightsaber whip is no coincidence. If Qimir was rejected by Vernestra as her apprentice, maybe he wants to start over and get revenge against her too. Vernestra would be eager to clean up this part of her life which she apparently covered up before. Two scandals in one show! BicepsGate is here!
Uh idk dude, so far there is nothing conecting both characters
Lightsabers don’t cut people in half. Only moths I guess…
This show had potential but the writing is just so bad. Especially the dialogue which has cringe line delivery that is even worse than AOTC. At this point, Bazil is the only one who has clear motivations that don’t flip flop every 5 minutes.
The Sol-Mae stuff was a head scratcher. Why was he so eager to get off the planet and leave so many unresolved things behind? Did he realize it was Mae relatively quickly and observe her? Did Basil have to tell him? Did he figure it out when she mistreated Pip as some have suggested? Were we supposed to learn anything from this or was it just filler to get her alone with Sol in a convoluted way?
Exactly. Call the council from the planet and await orders.
And if you don't recognize that you have Mae in your presence than you are the dumbest Jedi ever.
This whole show needs a factory reset
Men, I haven't watched or am planning on seeing it, but the fact you are sitting and watching it through gives me respect for you.
I haven’t am planning either.
You respect weird things, I respect that.
He's taking the bullet so we don't have to!
Why do you people even watch these vids then?
I mean, it's his job.
I think you can’t “lore check” Qimir’s dialogue with Ohsa bc he’s trying whatever he can to turn her. Also the idea that the Jedi aren’t perfect and can fail and don’t always operate in perfect morality but are still the obvious net positive for the Galaxy is a great, nuanced lesson for the real world
Agreed
"Also the idea that the Jedi aren’t perfect and can fail and don’t always operate in perfect morality but are still the obvious net positive for the Galaxy is a great, nuanced lesson for the real world." You mean what the Prequels did? The problem is almost every time we see the Jedi we see a flawed version of them, until now so many people just think the whole idea of the Jedi is flawed.
@@thorskywalker I don't comment much, but I've always said that this is the main failing of the sequels in my opinion. The sequels should have answered one simple yet broad question. What, truly, does it mean to be a Jedi? Or even "What is a Jedi"? So many nuanced plots and directions to go with that.
@@thorskywalkerI defend the prequels to the grave! Haha they teach the lesson of how democracy willingly gives itself to fascism. You do great work btw man.
I hate to bring politics into this, but it’s necessary to convey my point. The topic is unrelated but the concept applies: “This idea of purity and you’re never compromised and you’re always politically woke (swap this for perfect morality) and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly,” he said. “The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws.” -President Obama
Qimir's desire for a friend makes perfect sense.
Don't forget that Darth Plagus had a family and Anakin Skywalker intended to have a family.
Mae is motivated by the loss of her family as well as anger for the Jedi "taking" OSHA away.
One of the reasons why OSHA wanted to leave her coven was to finally meet other children. She wanted to be more that Mae's counterpart.
Companionship is a natural and strong instinct for people (and likely all sentient beings). We need a sense of belonging and community, whether it is an association by family, sports team, coworkers, or internet comment sections.
Qimir can call it an acolyte, apprentice, follower, assistant, disciple, ally, partner, squire, or a good buddy. He doesn't want to be alone. A person, no matter how powerful, cannot do everything alone. I would argue that hermits live alone because they cannot find good companions OR lost good companions and doesn't want to start over.
No one is immortal either. Have someone to remember our history, cultures, and achievements helps give life meaningfulness. The Jedi don't believe in attachment, but the Order will die without new students. The Sith want all they can get, but who will take care of that stuff after death? Who will carry the legacy of the Sith if a dark sider is too self to take an apprentice?
TLDR: Qimir is a powerful dark side person, but he is still a person. He lives on an island, but no man is an island. He needs a companion. He needs a meaningful life. He needs someone to preserve his legacy.
He needs an Acolyte.
It's funny how Sol and Mae BDSM scene resembles Disney's current relationship with us, the audience. Sol (Disney) had to tie up Mae (the audience) to tell his boring story she has no interest in 😂
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Has anyone bothered to tell Disney to watch AotC, or that Lightsabers can be rendered completely inoperable if the hilt is compromised in any way, so needlessly making hilts 2-3x larger than they need to be is only increasing the likelihood of a Jedi or Sith being disarmed?
"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose "
-Darth Kristofferson
Qimir: You wanna knooooowwww… how I got these scars?
P.S. I wonder if they’re going to try to say that Mae has really been Osha all along and Vice versa. And that Sol told the real Mae that she was Osha because he actually saw Osha fall on their planet.
I want a good written show about Qimir without Mae and Osha who are really boring. HIs story is much more interesting....❤ Qimir and Sol are the only reasons for me to watch the show. Greetings from Germany💕 PS: I will dream about Darth Biceps and how I will join him everywhere he invites me...😅
Questions: why was Mae okay with leaving Osha on the planet unconsious and vulnerable, when Quimir is still around? Why did Sol not realize immediately he was dealing with Mae? When he did realize it was Mae, why did he not immediately go back to the planet to search for Osha? How does he know she was taken away by the Sith? Didn't Mae want revenge for her whole community not just Osha? So when she realized Osha was alive, suddenly she could let go of the deaths of everyone else and only Osha mattered? Mae's goal should have been to capture Osha and take her away in her ship (the one Mae and Quimir arrived on) to tell her what really happened and bring her back to Brendok to jog her memory. This would also leave Quimir stranded on Khofar. What is frustrating about this show is that the characters make dumb decisions all the time.
Because:
(a) The characters already know the script; so
(b) Do dumb things that otherwise make no sense.
Bored. Star Wars has never done that before. Just a long series of expositions. So basic and long winded.
There is no mythology is Disney Star Wars. Not even allegory. It’s not Star Wars. If you like lightsabers, go to 90’s rave. Be the best ‘star Wars’ film you’ve ever seen 😂
So it sounds like the prequel films then? What mythology or allegory can you add to this show? Any change they make pisses of the lore fans
The reason every episode is so short is this should have been a standalone movie and they had to string it out to an 8 episode series. Imagine if it were only 2 hours, most of the mistakes couldn’t have been fit in.
I wonder if it's the other way around. They had longer episodes but they tested so poorly they had to pare it back and cobble together something semi viable with minimal reshoots as the budget was already so bloated.
Characters do dumb stuff, which a lot of times only makes a modicum of sense if they already knew the script or parts of the script we've never seen.
I mean, that’s most Star Wars live action shows for you.
Wait, Ahsoka was maybe a 90 minute movie or rather a 3 episode story arc better suited for the Clone Wars than an 8 episode tv show.
The only mystery here is how they spend 180 million for this dumpster fire!
I'm just eagerly awaiting Ryan George's pitch meeting for this show 😂
This show simply does not have a compelling story to tell. Should have been scrapped at the pitch…
I don’t think it is Ach-to. But there IS a legends planet known for its cortosis mines…
Ever since JJ did what he did what Rey's heritage. Everyone thinks star wars needs a mystery.
So true
They mostly have 50% of good actors on this show...wasted on bad writing
Is it Ahch-To or Hawk Tuah?
The planet is likely Bal'demnic b/c it appears to be a water planet with rocky tropical islands, with sources of Cortosis in the Outer Rim. This would link Qimir to Sith Lords Darth Tenebrous and/or Darth Plagueisas they visited this planet per the novel, (which is legends but can easily become canon), AFTER his fallout with the Jedi Order and Vernestra (likely his master). I think the naked swimming is in reference to Samurai who bathed in hot springs all the time (perhaps it's a bacta effect or some other source that slows aging because he doesn't look 100ish years old.
The show suffers from a few things, but one thing I am really coming around on is that the way the Jedi Order are being portrayed. People are many shades of grey, we do both good and not so good things all the time. I think showing the Jedi Order as a political organization with their own power schemes rather than an altruistic entity allows the viewer to connect with their own life choices and gives pause for thought (if one is so inclined to do so).
When part of the plot is the McGuffin, the story is broken.
1001.
Only The Acolyte could follow up a decent episode with tons of action and revealing the villain with an episode that says a lot but absolutely nothing all at once. As soon as a saw the short runtime, I knew it would be more of the same: incongruences on the part of the characters to push the plot forward
Don't count on Sol spilling his guts ant time soon. They have dragged it out for 6 episodes so no rush.
The one thing everyone can learn from this show is having to accept deferring their gratification of finding out why things are happening as they are, again, and again, and again.
Hey Thor, I have been watching this show since the beginning with some intrigue and wondering what the mystery is about. But the only thing I have found so far is running in circles, unfunny jokes, a mystery that seems more like an intention of prolonging the series than an actual well written plot. Halfway through the episode, all I was feeling was despair
The bald green lesbian Jedi says "I sent [Sol] there" and yet her companion gay Jedi suspects Sol. We are meant to believe he doesn't know Sol was sent there to stop an assassination, OR THAT HE DOESN'T CARE TO ASK WHY SOL WAS SENT THERE. Otherwise, he would never suspect Sol, but the ASSASSIN HE WAS SENT THERE TO STOP. OR, WAS THE GREEN LESBIAN ASKED WHY SOL WENT THERE, AND SHE LIED ABOUT IT OFF SCREEN? WE DON'T SEE. Terrible writing. It's not a Mystery when things are CONSPICUOUSLY OMITTED.
That last point, for sure. This is what adds up to a "tomato surprise," not good storytelling.
Hey Thor, 6 episodes in and I still have no idea what the main mystery of this show is. Is it what happened 16 years ago? Is it who is Smilo Ren’s master? Is it the conflict and reconciliation of Osha and Mae and how that works out? Seems like 6 episodes in there should be a central mystery that’s driving everything.
Acolyte hyperspace skipped over the shark with this episode.
Jumping the Shark is when a show tries to become something that it isn’t to draw back viewers. This wasn’t it.
A qimir story written similarly to andor would have been great
You can't spoil what's already rotten.
A talented cook can make banana bread out of rotten bananas.
Unfortunately, Lesbey Headberg is the type of person who somejow blows up their microwave trying to make a cup of ramen.
That scar is from a lightsaber whip...probably that green beatch rrying to keep the council in the dark.
Bro was getting whipped by the shrekussy
Hey Thor, Devil's advocate here.. Star Wars does teach us about light side overcoming the dark. De-facto the Prequels also teach us that a religious/governmental/military/policing organization can exist that is inherently good and beyond corruption, infighting, internal politics or any misdeeds at all. Even if we find that realistic, which it truly isn't, then that doesn't create a lot of opportunity for storytelling. Adhering to "The Jedi can do no wrong" may work in a cartoon show, but it'll bore mature audiences to tears. Andor (and Rogue One) explored a more balanced and realistic view of the rebellion and largely succeeded. Acolyte looks like it's doing the same with the Jedi, and succeeding maybe not as well although viewing numbers are probably similar to Andor. That Acolyte has many problems doesn't mean that the solution is to only make shows in which the Jedi can do no wrong. See also the Reimagined Battlestar Galactica, which was a gripping story and morally extremely ambiguous. There were scenes and storylines in there that stayed with me for days.
When did I say I want to see the Jedi do no wrong ever? What I'm saying is I don't want to see the Jedi responsible for the creation of the villains; I don't want this implication that the light creates the darkness somehow and that there needs to be a balance between them. And, no, this show is not doing the same thing as Andor. Not even close. Andor asks the question: How far does good have to go to stop evil and what do they become in the process? This show seems to be saying that when there is too much good they will inevitably create evil. This goes along with Headland's recent comment about there being "too many Jedi" at this point in time.
Vensestra is obvious the sith master, the actor is Leslie's partner, she also has a light whip. Because Leslie wants her partner to be cool...
And didn't Leslye say that the dark side is cool?
Hey Thor, I come to you with a bit of thinking from, both your comment on today's episode and stuff from last week episode, about Sith in general, not really about the show itself (it's a disappointment so far). At first I was in in the band wagon saying "Sith wanting freedom is dumb".
First, freedom as a every person would understand the word, heavily depends on that person's country and culture, for example, even though USA and France both have freedom of speech, and bear in mind I don't know much in details about the US, but in France, freedom of speech, like most other freedoms, has its boundaries, freedom can't be total, and it's a paradox, to have limits on freedom, one would say, one might even say it's an autophage argument. I thought it was interesting to point out the different notions we all have for words that sound so universal.
Second, the core of what I actually wanted to talk to you about, after stepping down from what other people thoughts, I told myself "well yes of course freedom is what a Sith seek because true freedom can only be achieved by one's self determination ! While it may sound obscure, it's as if a lightbulb suddenly lighted up in my mind, as I recalled some of the things I learned in my teen years studying, I thought of the philosopher from the Enlightment era, Jean Jacques Rousseau. He thought true freedom was living in harmony with one’s nature rather than being constrained by societal expectations or external pressures.
He believed modern society and its institutions had corrupted human nature, leading to inequality, injustice, and the loss of individual liberty. Rousseau suggested that true freedom could only be achieved by breaking free from the constraints of society and embracing our natural, free state.
He argued that we are born free, but society imposes rules and regulations on us, limiting our potential and ability to think freely. According to Rousseau, being free means living a life that is true to who we are rather than conforming to the expectations of others.
According to to him, freedom is not just about being physically free but also mentally free. For Rousseau, true freedom meant self-expression without fear or pursuing our curiosities without judgment.
He says true freedom requires us to be introspective and honestly examine our inner self.
That in a nutshell is what Sith pursue come to thinking about that, in a way, Sith teachings are quite heavily inspired from that one philospher of the Enlightment era in Europe !
Let me know your thoughts !
This show is awful, just awful, NONE of the character motivations make any sense, and they change from scene to scene. This episode was boring as hell though, and not because of lack of action, because nothing happened. The first 4 mins or so were Osha following Qimir, why did we need a scene that long of this!? Then on the other end we see Vernestra making the SAME trek through the jungle planet we saw the Jedi make 2 episodes ago, it’s a literal rehash, why do we need to see this!? Just show them arriving at the scene of the crime, you cut out like 1-2 mins of wasted space and save on budget.
Regarding the questions Thor brought up, it was my impression Basil told Sol about Mae, and probably that Qimir had lived, I feel like he saw him last in the previous episode, but I could be remembering wrong. Also, the scar on Qimir sure looks like one a whip light saber would cause.. Only one Jedi has been fighting hard to keep this from the council, only one keeps hinting this person is Jedi trained, and she now took it upon herself to go check this out and not tell the council again. Sure seems to me they’re setting up Vernestra as Qimir’s former Jedi master.
On another note, I think someone, maybe Headland said this week that seduced by the dark side of the force was going to look more literal this week, and good lord I can’t believe she meant it, seeing the Osha-Qimir shippers on X tonight was truly a gross surprise I did not see coming.
Lastly, that Sol-Mae scene where she’s strapped to the bed and he has his sudden turn of emotions and the music gets ominous was weird as hell, creepy as f***. Where did that even come from, what are we meant to take from that scene?
I seriously vote we just forget about Disney Star Wars: its not gonna get better
Andor does NOT balance everything out especially if its declared officially canon with the sequels. If they insert any foreshadowing to the events of the sequels particularly Palpatines Death Star destroyers it will change the story for the worst, confirming that Andor is going to ultimately give his life for a red herring.
The Death Star IS confirmed as such: this is the Final Order, the emperor’s REAL takeover. Everything that comes before is meaningless
Forgive my ignorance, but I'm wondering where the idea that dark side users wouldn't want a "friend" comes from? Certainly they wouldn't want someone to be equals with, but it feels very dark side to me to crave someone's devotion or even affection. I'm not even sure how the Rule of Two would work without that craving... if you're afraid of losing everything, why train someone in your skills and powers? Surely you can find someone less of a threat to do your dirty work... some bounty hunters or cultists or something. It feels to me like the master/apprentice relationship of the Sith is all about a toxic and controlling relationship, not just utility.
I'm all set with Star Wars. I'm good. Yaull can have it. Stiff,boring, amatuer,vague,convoluted nonsense.. Too many flaws to even speak of. Star Wars ain't for me anymore.
Ive figured out this show. Its a metaphor for Lesley Headlands involvement in Weinstien. The sith is Harvey, the jedo are Hollywood, and May and Osha are Headlands angel and demon conscience battling for the right choice. Thats why both of them are inconsistent all the time and can't make thier mind up. She was battling between keeping her job and letting women get abused. All makes sense now.
This all feel Disney Business Tactic. No genuine respect to the IP when it comes to the writing (story). It’s all about the bottom line: making money by having fans ‘Invested’ in the ‘story’.
Thor Skywalker my man "Darth Cheeks" HAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH PERFECT that's his name going forward
One possibility why Mae pretended to be Osha is that Qimir told her to do that and we as the audience were not privy to that so we'd assume Mae was doing this on her own. Misdirection again. We never see Mae change clothes with Osha and it is implied that this happened while Qimir was escaping the big bugs. But it could be that he arrived while Mae was standing over Osha after she 'cut' her hair. Maybe he arrived moments later and persuaded her to impersonate Osha while he takes the real Osha and turns her to the dark side. Maybe he promised Mae that he'd 'forgive' her if she did this. In Qimir's plan, he corrupts Osha, Mae, pretending to be Osha, contacts the Jedi and claims Sol killed everyone on the jungle planet and he is either put into prison or executed and then Mae rejoins Qimir and he then has both sisters as Acolytes. Just a thought, because why would Mae be loyal to a master who seemed to be trying to kill her in last week's episode and that she was afraid of. Remember, Mae was going to go and surrender to the Jedi before everything went to hell. Why would she leave her sister with someone she was scared of and then go off and try to kill Sol? Sure, she'd complete her 'mission' but after all the Jedi were dead on the jungle planet and since none of the Jedi back at Coruscant knew about Qimir, they'd either assume Sol killed the Jedi, or else Mae did and if the Jedi found Sol dead on his ship floating out in space and then the whole order would be hunting for her. Of course Mae isn't very bright, but killing Sol like she started to do in this episode would have just led more Jedi hunting for her, as it would destroy the theory that Sol killed the Jedi on the jungle planet.
i think qimir was vernestras padawan. hes got the scars on his back and she cracked a light whip in this episode and ill take that as a clue. and i think you may have missed the part when osha asked him what he wanted with his sister and he said he wanted the power of two and not just revenge. thats something that suggests that he learned from the coven or possibly mother karal after the incident.
I agree with you that this episode was not bad because it was mainly OSHA and Qimir who is like the one interesting character. So not realizing right away that it was Mae is also weird. I’m really starting to think there’s no way they can satisfy all of the mystery in the next two episodes
Smilo is a self proclaimed sith. He found some artifact, scroll or something and used that to grow in power.
This might be the way disney tries to wiggle free.
FFS Thor, this show sucks. Just say it. Stop acting like there’s positives to this show. It’s not remotely interesting and is easily the worst thing Disney has put out.
Felt like this could have been about a 15 minute episode, really dragged it out. Should have just merged with episode 7
The show is just not good. The story deserved a better execution, though.
It's very likely that his mastet is/was the green jedi master. Light whip, and his back is covered in wounds. Makes sense
This was by far my favorite ep. I think the show is slowly winning me over
It wasn’t a bad episode. It was actually one of the better ones. It was just mid. This whole show is just mid at best
this should have been a movie
Nothing Disney makes is canonical anyway. It's all just bad fan fiction.
The budget for this show is even more outrageous when taking the episode lengths into consideration.
This show would've worked much better (i.e going from at best extreme yo-yo up and downs to a brain baffling degree), as a tighter, 120-130 min movie as it's own standalone tale---or as a "secret" part 1 to a loosely associated set of anthology movies (preferably not the banal "trilogy," especially in Star Wars, but rather 5 or so, just cuz the sith have a great many tale to tell)
Oh and come on, my long time no speak long time friendo, 8:44
That is CLEARLY a LightWhip scar on his back,& as such is yet another "THE ACOLYTE," TOTALLY random & not perfectly plot timed...
TOTALLY smooth subtlety, much like screaming "RAYYYPPP!!!," in a crowd to get just ONE person's attention...
TOTALLY justifiable OVER-THINK for us fans, i.e. "it can't be her, they can't have it THAT obvious, it's misdirection...right...?," in regards to Greeny Gon-Bald Chick Fisto POSSIBLY being a wayyyyy better hidden & a wayyyyyy stronger sith than Palpatine, being a sith lord POSING AS A FRIGGIN JEDI....
Or, more likely, EzLa MiRRer is her former Paduwan, thrown away by the light whip green bald jedi chick as he said in this episode ...and her uhhh "crime" is knowing he'd fall to the dark mode or already did or even had the good ol after school special FELL IN WITH THE WRONG CROWD, those pesky sith boys from 255th & Myrtle Ave, by the J train!!!
Those damn feisty, insanely powerfully telekinetic red saber wielding dark side ring & run master PUNKS!!!
Maybe its bottom of the barrel but I'm sorta interested into the Sith here but I hope they don't make him someone from canon or something.
Boy, oh boy, was I on the lookout for space cows for sith dude to milk and then drink it from a bottle right in front of osha