"The Acolyte" Episode 7 Deep Dive: If into this episode you go, only boredom will you find
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Tormen submitting to the witches because he wants to go home is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen
I think the actor actually did a good job, I think he made the character likeable but that plot made absolutely no sense.
@@mortagon1451 yeah. He acts like that just because he wants to go home. It's nonsense.
Tommen wanted to go back margery.
Two months is a long time. U might do some irrational things if you’re in the woods for that long
Yea, I think they needed more episodes where they did some character-building.. They could have had Tormen's mom on her deathbed and the Jedi not allowing him to leave this post or something, His master could be counseling him as he really wants to see his mom before she dies but is unable.. You know, introduce us to a situation that might make his actions make sense..
And that goes for all the characters.. They would die and I could bearly even remember their names, let alone care.
Chewbacca had a personality, cared for his friends, sometimes got angry, sometimes joyful. Not this Wookiee. He was a robot and when he was killed, I didn't care. Sol didn't even care. Sol never even found out he died... and ended up just leaving, and I don't blame him.
And Torbin became a Jedi Master? No wonder Anakin was so mad when he was denied the rank of Master
Yeah, given that the main plot happens sixteen years later and he was observing the Barash Vow for six of those, I don’t know what he did to become a Jedi master seemingly by his late 20s.
When the bar is set that low... And considering all the Stuff Anakin had to do to get his status.
Yes... Anakin was justified in his anger.
@@qwefg3 and they caused his Padawan to leave. it was indeed unfair.
Does Torbin eat with the Barash vow? Do they slide a bucket under him when he has to take a dump?
@@qwefg3Not really all he had to do was train a Padawan.
“make a mistake wallow in it for 10 years and delete yourself”
Great message and values Leslye.
"Star Wars is for kids!"
This was my exact thought when Torbin deletes himself way back in ep 2
This is what I've been saying. The framing of the scene where he Alt-F4s (gotta love the youtube nanny bots swooping in like Matrix Sentinels if you ever speak about anything serious unless you use code) is so strange because they present it as this moment of relief and """absolution""" for his supposed sins. Bizarre choice at best, borderline evil at worse.
In that case she should take her own advice since she will never face justice for her crime
That's kind of uncharitable, the show is not promoting that as a positive thing.
Like I don't think the message of Episode III is kill some kids and maybe that saves your wife
Great message George.
I think our analysis can be better.
You know the show is so bad when we're more excited for the reviews more than the actual show itself.
Ikr, I've been watching a while bunch of channels I've never heard of, just waiting for Thor's breakdown. Most of them, even if they think the show is crap, blame Sol for all kinds of dumb reasons that don't make sense if they actually watched the damn thing.
I've skipped this entire show and just look forward to Thor's rundown. No regrets skipping. But grateful for his recaps.
💯
@@sindredI held off watching reviews until I had seen the episode, then by episode 3 I was watching the reviews before the episode. Now I haven't watched anything from episode 5 onward and just waiting for Thors review. I don't think the show is as bad as most are saying, bit it's not that good either...
@@zed0002 No it's really bad. This isn't just bad star wars it's bad writing period.
Imagine falling to the dark side because you're on a boring road trip and want to go home
AmI a teenager riding with my brothers with little leg room? If the answer is yes, then a fall to the Dark Side is forgiveable.
Tommen somehow always gets the role of playing useless characters.
- In Game of Thrones, he’s Tommen who got used as a puppet until he deleted himself.
- In 1917, he died midway through the story that the main character guy had to be the one sending a letter to his brother who is Robb Stark instead.
- In Acolyte, he’s like this.
Bro deserves a better agent.
The “Power of Many” got massacred by the”Power of One”…And then the”Power of One” got killed by a tiny kitchen knife….😂
Yep. Absolutely no concept of consistent character power scales in this show (or most Disney Wars, for that matter).
It's a very special kitchen knife. After all, people in this universe can just shake it off when run they are run through with lightsabers. That knife must be made from Valyrian steel. 😂
@@ellicel One that can penetrate plot armor… “Yaas, Yaas” !! 😂
It makes me remember power scales in dragon ball
The execution of Indara's death was goofy AF but attacking innocents to distract a jedi is actually a solid tactic against them. HK47 thought so at least.
Torbin rebelled against his master and ran to kidnap two kids on his own, all in order to go home just a little bit quicker. Go home to what exactly? Dude you're a padwan living in temple. Your life on the ship is identical to the life you have at home!
But it was SEVEN WEEKS! So boring.
And how long has been training to be a Jedi for? You’d think he’d be used to this by now
@@KRobinson-ko1ne
The temple is home along with the Jedi that abide there. Torbin might have been perfectly haply to spend his life curating the Library, as was Jocasta Nu. He just might have been old enough to become her master, seeing that she dies at 95. However, that would have been GOOD story telling.
His left his Nintendo switch back on Coruscant...
Finale - Anakin will blow up the death star killing millions
Luke will execute order 66, killing thousands
“That’s it? That’s episode 7?”
“That was just episode 3 from a different camera angle!”
-patchy the pirate
@@SkepticalSardaukar (steam fumming out of the ears) Disney star wars betrayed us! (Destroy house)
Kathleen and Kate: but wait there's more!
(Blows up the garbage bin)
Yo Ho!!!!☠️
I fail to see the problem, it's called adding nuance.
@mycelia_ow you're right..I just wish they didn't have make us wait so long..And MORE Q'mir!!🤣
The power of many to all die at once when one single person overpowers the many and breaks the spell.
The whole "I was going to let you take Osha" is the greatest copout ever, by this show.
It made no sense for her to decide to do that. It is clearly thrown in there so as to show up the Jedi as evil, even though they were clearly in the right, here.
It is seriously frustrating how they keep trying to make the Jedi into the bad guys, and the Sith into the good guys.
Even more infuriating that they continue to do such a piss poor job of it.
I swear that line was chucked in there at the last minute because up to that point the evil dark side witches had been nothing but hostile, antagonistic, and provoking conflict with the Jedi who had done nothing but be entirely calm, reasonable, and diplomatic.
What blows my mind is that for years George Lucas carefully developed his mythology of the Jedi. And then some Disney hack writes a new episode where one Jedi breaks the Code and then so many people in the audience take it as a matter of fact that the Jedi are fundamentally corrupt!
They treat each story equally, as it its giving them new insight into the Jedi. Yet they don't complain when the lore is broken.
It's the duty of the writers to be true to the mythology. And when they depart from it their stories should be rejected by everyone. But so many viewers treat the next episode as a trusted news report. What a terrible lack of perspective, and a lack of appreciation for a series that was designed to inspire young people, and succeeded in doing so for many years.
She shows her intention to peacefully compromise with armed strangers by turning into a giant smoke demon and vaporizing the person they showed up in order to rescue
Must be that "Feminine intuition" I keep hearing so much about...
No? We literally see her talking with the others about her decision. She states "I'm choosing to be a mother". Yet when the jedi came back she wanted to show a united front, even though she disagreed with the actions of the zabrak chick. When she died, she wanted Sol to know that it was Oshas wish to go with them. How is that bad writing? They literally spelled it out.
@@96SWgeek That's stupid. Her opening move to clueless Jedi who stumble on their coven by accident is to invade the head of the youngest one and torment him, twisting his feelings and leading to his volatile reaction which escalated this conflict. And then rather than opening with "I let my daughter leave of her own free will" she stands idly by while the two groups only heighten the tensions further, leading to violence when she decides to turn into a big evil horrible shadow ghost monster next to two outnumbered and twitchy Jedi being threatened by a bunch of armed witches.
LucasFilm: "YASS, YASS"
Everyone else: "You know what, actually, NO NO"
Disney really could’ve used the High Republic period as a reset to bring back the hopeful, optimistic Jedi stories we’ve been missing. Instead, our live-action introduction to the period is some kind of edge-lord fan-fiction where the Jedi are out of control and grossly incompetent. Way to blow up your second chance, Disney.
I've been repeating the same sentiment for weeks now. It really is sad as hell that the fans have better ideas, better ways to achieve them, and far more knowledge and passion about Star Wars than the actual creators do.
I think you would get that in the Old Republic shows or films they plan on making.
It seems they are working backwards through the timeline.
As they plan on a Jedi origin story, for an orientation perspective that makes sense
To frame the different eras.
@@neutronstarpilot4393Wouldn't bring your hopes up. A lot of people, including Disney, has this very flawed idea of the Jedi that they're just an evil corrupt organization. They see the Jedi through their narrow (probably political) lense and will do everything in their power to show them as such
We can only hope that Filoni, now that he's creative lead, will reel them back, though I've lost faith in him after that whole 'travel to a new galaxy' stunt
@mar_speedman I see a mixed bag of quality and shows and movies I like but I can understand if other people might not
And things that have been widely well received.
It depends on the planning the writing and the feel,
Going back thousands and thousands of years seems interesting because it would be unlike anything we have seen in Star Wars on screen but it should have
Something almost familiar about it
We shall see.
@@neutronstarpilot4393 Well... I shall not because I won't be following. Part of me dreads Disney touching the Old Republic era, but the rest doesn't care about Disney Star Wars anymore. That being said, I wish those projects end up going well for those waiting for them
Anyway, back to our topic. The reason why I don't think they'll do a good job is:
[I get into a rant here. Skip to the last paragraph if you want] We already have Swotor and Kotor, and the thing about Kotor that I realized today, is that they did the whole 'see the sith's perspective' thing as well. If you look back at the sith academy on Korriban and compare it to the Acolyte (from what I can tell. I haven't watched it and I do understand it's not fully sith focused for some reason), the Acolyte is trying to be sympathetic towards the sith, meanwhile Kotor didn't hide away from the truth that the sith were evil. Instead, the game leaned into it. The sith leaned into it. The sith were like 'yeah let's do all that cool selfish crap'. The game gave the option to go darkside, but it wasn't all 'the dark side isn't so bad actually uwu' it leaned into it.
What I'm trying to say is... Kotor could've been a blueprint for the Acolyte, and the Acolyte would've been much better for it, and yet, Leslie Headland, supposed fan, completely ignored it. What's the chance anyone would do the Jedi or Sith justice?
I wonder how Master Trinity learned that one of the girls started the fire. I guess she got access to the script.
I think she has that force ability that allows you to see what happened by touching objects. Anyway, they should have showed it if this was the case.
Very good point, Mae says "fire help" but no one has any way of knowing how it started, no one saw Mae try to burn Osha's book!
Ha yet another plot hole
I don't see any possibility that they can wrap this story up in any sort of satisfactory way with one episode left.
That’s secret: Satisfaction was never the goal 😂
It ends with a closing of a book, and a camera zoom out of Osha sitting at a desk penning a book while she's taking a break from Jedi training. It would explain the crappy writing, the crappy premises and fix any canon issues that might have arisen. It would be up there with my fan theory that midichlorians is just some made up BS Jedi tell force-sensitive people to convince them to join their ranks.
The only one Headland is writing for is themselves. Doesn't care less about audience satisfaction...
The story is there is no story.
Everyone dies, The Stranger and Osha rise, The Stranger kills Osha, Rise of the Sith
"I'd rather die than let the Jedi have my children!"
*leaves before the Jedi even reach said children*
Wow really shows she didn’t care about the kids.
@@jaieregilmore971
Proves that she only cared about herself. An obviously psychopathic narcissist who cares nothing for the happiness of the twins, only their usefulness to herself.
Scanning the entire planet with a metal detector is gonna take centuries - they should get Master Yoda on it, he is the only one who can make it xD
Wookies also have pretty long lifespans, like hundreds of years, IIRC.
But yeah, looking for a signs of miraculous life regeneration in metals is stupid AF
Why did Osha wash out of Jedi school because she couldn't let go of her feelings related to the death of the witches, but Torbin gets to wallow in guilt and is regarded as a Master? Isn't that gulit just as selfish and destructive as Osha's anger and resentment?
I actually thought it was because of the implicit suggestion that Osha and Jecki had a lesbian thang goin' on.
@@Loki_Yogihuh? Jecki is 18 and OSHA left the order 6 years earlier aka when Jecki was 12 and OSHA was 18… I mean I hope that isn’t what is being implied but given the background of the shows creator who knows.
@mitchellhouser1572 there was a lot of shipping online between the two of them
Maybe its just me ... but it fels like:
Torbin is like "Hey this blood test prooves those girls are vergence in the Force ... lets kidnap them so we have proof they are vergence in the Force!"
and Sol is like "Okey, makes sense ... lets ignore the proof you just hold in your hand and try to get entirely different proof of the same."
Do you guys remember how the Little Leia actress went on an interview and said how stupid some scenes were in Kenobi? Looking forward to the little twin actresses to do some press and spill some tea, you can't stop kids from talking their minds. 😁
I mean when your show does the Austin Powers trick and plays it straight, can’t get much stupider than that.
Wait Austin Powers was smarter when they did that gag.
Its ironic that the plot exists because Torbin was bored, given that boredom is one of the strongest things evoked by the show.
Maybe Headland wanted the audience to feel the boredom Torbin was feeling to explain his actions more in just giving up
Genius
The bad news is there's still one episode left. The good news is there's only one episode left! 😃
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Optimist: In the best possible world, there is one episode left.
Pessimist: In the best possible world, there is one episode left.
@@tfjohnson55
Light: The Universe is a lighter place with only ONE episode left.
Dark: There is one episode left whereby your soul may be darkened.
In otherwords: Tune in Next Week, because Jedi, Sith, God and Evil are all in agreement and celebrating the fact that only ONE episode REMAINS!!!
All I can say is to Sol is, "Bro stop force lifting the bridge and lift the two children!"
This the most purest case of plot-induced-stupidity I've ever seen.
For Jedi who are suppose to be at the height of their power in the high republic, they can’t control their emotions , especially with the little tussle between sol and the female Jedi
People are defending Torbin with Anakin and the Jedi and the prequels
I know the prequels had problems particularly with their execution but to say that the Jedi are the secret bad guys with their conditioning being an unnecessary dogma: that’s a complete third party concept and it drives me nuts that people are trying to make that canon
I think there are the ideals all Jedi strive for,
But they still are human (or people)
And many parts in this episode humanize them
The scuffle shows Sol struggling and Indara is more composed as a Jedi Master
It was subtle storytelling and I found it interesting to include.
@@neutronstarpilot4393 Scuffling like a pair of children is not subtle. It's how a bad writer depicts conflict. Nor does it humanize them; it just caps off the inexplicable impulsiveness and shocking incompetence they displayed throughout the entire episode.
@maweitao I don't think the show is perfect or without flaws,
But I would disagree on this point, it's a scuffle but with subtext,
It's Sol saying I am emotionally distressed I cannot properly express these feelings, I do not understand what to do,
And Indara saying, you are a Jedi you should no you need to be better than this, compose yourself.
And conveying that without having to say it, show don't tell,worked well.
@@neutronstarpilot4393 You're confusing a storytelling trope with subtlety. Physical altercations are a contrivance we understand as an intense and emotional disagreement.
It's a valid and useful tool, but context is important. It's completely out of character for Jedi, but given everything that preceded I'll concede that's a moot point.
Finally, "show, don't tell" doesn't mean don't have characters talk to each other. It means don't do info dumps. You know, like Indara explaining why they're on Brendok seven weeks into the mission or most of the dialogue between the witches. It's also not a universal truth and should never be a crutch for poor writing.
"Use the metal detector, Luke!" - Obi-Wan Kenobi, maybe.
All I can think to myself when hearing more about this show is "why though?"
This is basically the equivalent of someone showing up to an adoption agency, the president of the adoption agency pulls a gun on you, but you shoot first, and in her dying breathe she says she would have let you adopt one of their children...
Not really. The agency and the adoptive parent go through a whole ass process of verification and suitability, etc., before anything significant happens. I get what you mean, but naw.
an adoption agency WANTS you to take the kids, the witches don't. Your analogy is no good. It's more akin to CPS turning up unprompted at your front door for your kids and when told to piss off, they slip into your home like seal team six and accidentally stab you after they got spooked when you walked around the corner into the kitchen while one of the kids is busy starting a completely avoidable house fire for literally no reason.
@@Loki_Yogi It's more like CPS pull up at your door, you pull a gun on them, they shoot you, then you say you're gonna let them take the kid anyway
@@Loki_Yogi ... Bruh
Also I thought “The Power of Many” was gonna be this omega Yoda/Palpatine level Force power… then they all just die after Endara waves her hand over Kalnaca’s face for 5 seconds??? Wtf
Instead of an "unreliable narrative" , we've got an "incomplete narrative". I don't see anything that was so innovative and mysterious that couldn't have just had episode 3 and 7 combined into the first episode shown, then progress from there. We just received more information in this episode, not a different perspective. There are so many weird writing decisions, especially in this episode. If a Vergence of the Force is a concentration of the Force in one person, place or thing, then wouldn't the Force sensitive witches (around 80 of them) and the two Vergence created girls have been extremely detectable to four Jedi after spending 7 weeks on a planet? Failure of both sides to communicate also was irritating. For example, why wouldn't the four Jedi have contacted Coruscant before they asked to test the girls? Why even allow Jedi to test kids if they refuse to train them because they are too old (which Osha and Mae certainly were)? What is Sol supposed to do if he had listened to the Jedi council: "Oh, sorry about that, our leaders said no; sorry Osha, just go on and become a potentially powerful darkside user here at the source of a Vergence which the Jedi have historically wanted to control; because you are too old." Dumb writing and poor communication between the witches and with the Jedi. Sol seemed a bit rash and somewhat foolish in how he acted here, but I don't blame him for killing the witch mother as she did seem to be doing something to Mae (and he thought it was Osha). How did all the Witches die, how did Indara manage, by herself, not only to defeat the 'Power of Many' but apparently kill all of them by setting the Wookiee free? So many questions and no satisfying answers. I'm quite sure how things will pan out next week. Sol will be killed, either by Mae (who pretends to understand everything until they reach the planet where Qimir and Osha are) or else Osha will kill Sol, having been converted by Qimir. Or both girls will kill Sol and then try to kill Qimir, but he'll survive as Headland has mentioned a second season with him in it. I think Mother Koril is alive and may have actually trained Qimir, perhaps she is the real master, Qimir is the apprentice. I think Vernestra is a red herring -- they want us to think she is a Sith, but it will be Koril. Vernestra may end up attacking Sol and perhaps defeating him, thinking he killed his party and the Wookiee and that he is a renegade. There is no way Sol will live past this season.
Sol lives. Mainly because Lee Jung Jae is such a huge actor, I don't see him getting killed off. Maybe, but I doubt it. And the whole thing about Korill being the Sith doesn't track imo. Sith are notorious for not sharing a damn thing, let alone sharing their power with an entire coven of witches.
Anyway, that's my two cents.
@@Loki_Yogi I hope you're right on both accounts, Lee Jung Jae is incredible, but he may not want to go through another circus period with Lucasfilm and I wouldn't blame him. He's in big demand right now, I hear and may have more favorable projects out there, though he certainly carried this show with his incredible acting. I wish they could have utilized Sol in a better story-line. As for Korill, you may be right, but I don't think Headland understands the Sith any more than she does the Jedi, so she could make her a villain. The fact that we didn't see her die tells me that they have more planned for her, somewhere.
Sol had to make the difficult choice between saving the nice little girl who just wants to experience the wider galaxy while being a jedi and the sociopath who reacted to disappointment with attempted murder. Truly a difficult choice...
The sad fact is the writers might think they have crafted a sympathetic complex faction in the witches. Remember in Kenobi where Reva was supposed to be sympathetic. Yes the Inquisitor who randomly mains people and was only just barely stopped from torturing a literal child was supposed to have our sympathy. What the writers intend and what actually happen are two separate things.
I'd forgotten about Reva and all that ... whatever it was. I don't want to remember Reva damnit!
Thx a lot. 🙏😂
Yes but they’re black. So racism therefore they are good.
Mae's line about sacrifice is meant to be a callback to episode 3 when Mother Iniseya talked about how Ascension was partially a decision to have to sacrifice a part of yourself for the greater good of the coven. Though it seems that Mae didn't really understand what that meant even though she's trying to force the same dogma onto Osha.
Because no one ever has ill intentions with peer pressure, right?
Unless the final episode is three hours long I want to know where the money went and where the plot is supposed to end up
Has Headland ever in her life encountered a person who looked at her and said, "Why are you doing that?"
"It's a comedy of errors tonight on Star Was when a Jedi scout team bungles an investigation into the Force. You'll be asking who's who in this topsy turvey switcharoo in the stars.
You will believe a Wookiee can fly."
7/8 episodes in and we already have a clip show. I stand by my prediction that this is ALL a dream after the initial meeting with the jedi, it's ALL in their heads, and next ep they wake up the girls are still kids, everyone's alive the girls stay and the jedi negotiating peace with the witches to investigate the Force on the planet. Qimer is just momma teaching her babies to watch out for bad boys.
at this point, this show is past all hope of redemption, just a pointless unbelievably badly done thing. Empty Content. and the big "Choice" moment come down to the lamest oldest trope in Action Shows... Deadly Railing. If only they'd had OHSA ( the Occupational Safety and Health Administration) in to inspect the fortress, maybe they wouldn't have built it out of highly flammable material and built stronger railing and catwalks.
How Thor: How did young Tormen, drowning in guilt, then proceed to obtain the rank of Jedi master before his meditation bubble isolation?
3:50 Is it just me, or does Disney Star Wars keep forgetting how big a _planet_ is?
Once made an appointment with my wife, to meet her at Union Square in San Francisco at 12 noon. This was before cell phones. She was there. I was there. We couldn't find each other. And we were both TRYING to find each other. Conclusion: Union Square is BIG. (Not planet-sized big, but still BIG.)
Torbin was just making Soup for them for 7 weeks and not collecting samples.
Wow! No mention to the horrible song for the end credits? What the actual f*ck is Disney thinking? This is the same shit the pulled with Willow and we all saw how that ended. Kathleen Kennedy and her team of writers are tearing down this franchise that they had no part in creating. If the executives are at all interested in saving this franchise then they need to get rid of her and hire someone that is invested in this world. I've been a long time fan of Star Wars and this just hurts to see this world get torn apart.
Yeah the Jedi council being like 'wtf? Leave the witches the f'k alone and stop threatening to steal their children already?' is a REALLY odd creative decision for a show that wants us to be all 'Jedi bad'
Hey Thor,
So many thoughts.
Some positives:
I thought the Torbin mind control scene was pretty good. I like that idea.
I'm a little relieved that they didn't shoehorn the idea of Dyad.
Negatives:
The whole show. I don't know what else to say. There's some ideas in here, but they go no where. With each passing episode, I get more upset that there's not more of deal made of Torbin's suicide. That itself could be a whole series. This episode just did not do enough to explain why he'd go into a force isolation (although it just overall makes him seem like a bad jedi - maybe there's something to that I'd like to discuss with you more....)
It's funny. The show pretends like it tries. It talks about attachment, it talks about Jedis bringing padawans in danger, I think it vaguely suggests that a Sith apprentice-master relationship is akin to rape, but it breezes over them too quickly.
I don't think this is the worst Star Wars Tv show (Book of Boba wins that). But it ties with Kenobi for being frustrating, that there's so much they could've done that they just didn't.
The only thing that can salvage anything from this hot mess is for She-Hulk to jump in during the last episode to reveal that K.E.V.I.N. was the real writer for the series.
Osha's gonna demand a happier ending for herself and her sister and then KEVIN uses the world between worlds to change the timeline and the twins end up getting heralded by the Jedi as heroes for doing "something" and somehow they're still witches because witchcraft is good now.
Hey, Thor!
Those are not metal detectors. Those are *obviously* force detectors. The very same that the Empire didn't have on every single one of their spaceports to detect Jedi survivors. Or that the Jedi themselves don't use instead of blood samples that need to be taken from children.
Yeah, those force detectors.
(this is a joke)
Kevin J. Anderson should sue for the stolen idea.
The moment I read Force detectors, I laughed a bit.
Man... these writers constantly insult the viewers' intelligence. I guess they expect fans(those who watched of course) to turn off your brain for 30mins without questioning a single thing.
This 100% doesn't explain why Torban took the vow, making him meditate for years and years. Hid nothing bad here. He was enchanted by these EVIL witches, and was only defending himself. He is the most relatable character in this entire show.
And this whole conflict could've been avoided if Sol wasn't a weirdo with overwhelming feelings and just followed what the Council told him to do. And Tordan could've gone home then. But no, he sees a kid for two seconds and immediately has a creepy obsession with her, and has a pissy fit with his fellow Jedi.
And the base (that's made out of ROCK and METAL) catching fire and exploding still doesn't make sense. How the fuck did that little fire spread enough to destroy everything? The Jedi didn't shoot anything, detonate anything, break anything, nothing. Yet the entire base just starts exploding.
And holly shit, if I saw a witch starting to morph into some black mist shit, I too would've assumed it was attacking. But no "Its just a prank bro!" xD
Why does Sol try to hold up both platforms which look quite heavy and not just force pull the girls to safety?
Because that would actually be logical. The primary objective problem with the show is that the plot bends the characters to its needs, rather than the characters' natural actions driving the plot.
Or even tell them to turn back and get off that unstable bridge altogether (which has been the logical thing to do).
Lazy writing does not follow logic
Searching for the Force with metal detectors is the most incredible thing to come of this show...
This episode was so bad...proves Headland didn't watch Rashamon, or if she did, she clearly missed the point. Rashamon is about the murder of a Samurai in which several eyewitness accounts are give and each one tell as different version of events. This was just showing the same events but from a different perspective. So many questions were raised and they made Sol, one of the best characters in the show come off as a badly motivated person.
At least my theory about Mae and Osha's birthmother is still alive. I bet the last episode will reveal she's alive and working with the Sith Master.
Sol is motivated by the Will of the Force.
@@Loki_Yogi It just doesn't come off like that.
And more importantly all accounts in Rashomon were false.
Mae’s mother turning into a black cloud…
What the hell? When did this show turn into the Witcher?
The legacy of this show is more fans watched reviews of it than actually watching it. I think that says a lot about the current state of Star Wars atm.
Sol was the only one who believed they were looking for a vergence in the Force initially. The others were all just trying to ascertain the cause of life on Brendok whatever it might be. Indara even admonishes Sol at one point for letting his own desires for what he wants out of the situation get the better of him.
If you look at Sol as being similar to Qui-Gon, then you'll see that Sol was following the Will of the Force. He basically says as much a few times in this episode. Meaning, Indara would be the one in "the wrong" ... not Sol.
@@Loki_Yogi But he is Sol and not Qui-Gon! They clearly wanted him to be someone, who uses "the will of the force" as an excuse to do what he wants. Doesn`t mean he is evil, but he tends to do things irrationally. You usually think about stuff (like wanting to raise s padawan/child) first before saying "It`s my destiny!" or "It`s the will of the force!"
I didn't know what Anniseya was doing either at first. Korril turned into smoke and disappeared. Maybe Anniseya was trying to teleport away and take Maye out of danger?
This show genuinely feels like they are trying to piss off star wars fans, and in a rare case for disney, they're succeeded
You know it's amazing when even the lore channels are "umm I don't hate it buuuut"
@@BearthatBaresFoodinBellywhat channels exactly?
@@couches354 Stupendous Wave, I've noticed that Eckhart and Corey are both pretty meeehh with it, Star Wars Explained and obviously Theory is overzealous hating it.
@@BearthatBaresFoodinBellyStupendous Wave hates the show what are you talking about haha
@@samwellard7 let me rephrase that:
What I meant is the lore nuts have thus far been lukewarm with the show at best. These are the people who try to root for the shows even when they suck.
I think Torbin knew about the vergence but the writers just needed a reason to explain to the audience lol
A line like this from Torbin would have worked: "I know the vergence is important, but it's been here 100 years and we've been here seven weeks...can't we get a little R&R and come back in a week?" A few more lines along the way would explain what the vergeance is and did. Better writers were needed.
The worst part was the fact that they included a pop song in the credits.
Looked into that, and it turns out that song was specifically made for the show.
Yeah, what's up with that and why nobody is talking about it? Or maybe people didn't make it to the end of the credits 🤔
Yeah, since when were pop-songs relevant to Star Wars? It doesn't fit in with Star Wars.
I didn't like it in Andor and i don't like it in Acolyte, just please Disney, stop...
They did that in lord of the rings but in a much better way. Search up Days of the ring
@@OskarErikssoonAndor is a good show but not good Star Wars. I’m tired of people calling it a masterpiece
Someone who has more patience than me should check this episode to see how much footage was reused from episode 3.
Really the whole point is supposed to show the events from a completely different perspective and narrative of events since Headland said this show was supposed to be like Rashamon and sadly it's not. Rashamon showed the different telling of a single event where you really don't know who is right until the end. This episode just adds a few things to stuff we already knew or speculated.
Writing mysteries is not for amateurs as displayed here
There were no flashbacks in Star Wars until The Last Jedi. People pointed out that it seemed out of place doing them. It was made worse by the nature of the flashbacks; we saw Luke try to murder Ben in his sleep. And the flashbacks weren't even accurate views of events, as there were changes from one flashback to the next of the same incident. Now, this show is doing flashbacks again, and they aren't doing the show any favors. Introducing flashbacks to Star Wars seems to be another mistake by Disney.
Yes! I hated them then and I most definitely hate them now. I fell like it's such a lazy way to tell stories. It can be done right, but Disney has failed every time they've tried.
Episode IV had a slight flashback which worked.
@@emberfist8347 What flashback was that?
The Mandalorian and Andor had flashbacks and those worked with telling the story and added depth to the main protagonists.
@@dwaneanderson8039 After R5-D4 blows his motivator, there is a brief shot of R2-D2 back in the line-up of droids with R5-D4 clearly shown still next to him. Some people chalk this up to an error, but is actually a flashback to hint R2 had something to do with the malfunction.
Wow, Thor...did I happen to sense a little sarcasm during the 'maybe this, maybe that' rant? 😂🤣
Dumbest scene ever: Once Indara dispelled Kelnacca, all the witches die. Who writes this shit? A.I. can write better.
Sol didn’t even intentionally kill Aniseya. She was doing some Raiders of the Lost Ark shit with demons coming out of her and he only whipped it out his lightsaber to protect himself and it looked like Mae (who Sol mistook for Osha) was ready to disappear into ash like Spider-Man in Infinity War. Then you can see Sol’s stunned face when Aniseya went back to human form and she’s dead. Then Sol doesn’t even attack Koril. It was an accidental kill and Indara had to lie about it to protect Sol. None of this was cold-blooded murder.
Why did Torbin feel so guilty about it? The one who should feel the most guilty is Sol. And that’s the only one Mae should’ve targeted to avenge her mother’s death. I think the writers didn’t want to include another fight scene with Torbin fighting Mae. Their $180M budget wasn’t enough for it. So when he drinks the poison, it adds more mystery to what happened in Brendok only to discover he did nothing wrong. And if Torbin speaks more, he can spoil the story. Ep. 4 has a deleted scene of Kelnacca fighting. Why not include it? The episodes are already shorter than they should be.
Let’s go back to Ahsoka from last year. So a Jedi Master in Indara can get killed by a small fruit knife but Sabine is totally fine after a lightsaber cuts through her abdomen? Sol is too weak to Force hold the twins that he had to choose only one but Sabine can Force push a grown ass man up to a ship when she couldn’t even push a cup a couple of episodes earlier? A spiritual entity can be killed by a lightsaber but Sabine can’t while in human flesh? Find the Force with metal detectors! Even if you combined Ep. 4 & 5 together, it still didn’t offer any new info or be as long as some of the House of the Dragon episodes.
F**k this show! This was the big reveal after three episodes of mostly nothing? The only good part from this show is Manny Jacinto and the cool kills The Stranger committed. Smilo Ren can Force push 8 Jedis and Force pull a redshirt Jedi into his Sith kebab but Sol can’t do this with one of the little girls. I will stick to House of the Dragon and wait patiently for Andor S2 next year. I would rather watch Daemon Targaryen become Bob Vila / Tim “The Toolman” Taylor and help renovate Harrenhal in his The Money Pit (1986) subplot than watch more of this Lesbian Headland shit.
The Acolyte: D
Ep. 1: D+
Ep. 2: C-
Ep. 3: D+
Ep. 4: D
Ep. 5: B-
Ep. 6: D
Ep. 7: D
The Boys S4: C+
Ep. 1: C+
Ep. 2: A-
Ep. 3: B
Ep. 4: A-
Ep. 5: C-
Ep. 6: D+
House of the Dragon S2: B+
Ep. 1: B
Ep. 2: A-
Ep. 3: C+
Ep. 4: A
😂🤣😂🤣 I'm digging the Bob Vila Harrenhal remodel.
HOTD is fukn lightyears ahead of The Ejacolyte in every possible category.
Disney to advertisers “….just look at how many people hate watch our shows!”
So much of the writing in this show resembles the gobbledygook I've seen from AIs that I'm beginning to wonder if Headland used one.
When I heard Tormen saying they had been there for weeks, I was wondering, was "weeks" even a valid star wars term.
No, it isn't. It would be "rotations" or "cycles"
Imagine looking for something and all you know is that it is on earth. Big place.
And then they landed within walking distance and still spent seven months there _within walking distance_ and didn't find it.
What blows my mind is that for years George Lucas carefully developed his mythology of the Jedi. And then some Disney hack writes a new episode where one Jedi breaks the Code and then so many people in the audience take it as a matter of fact that the Jedi are fundamentally corrupt!
They treat each story equally, as it its giving them new insight into the Jedi. Yet they don't complain when the lore is broken.
It's the duty of the writers to be true to the mythology. And when they depart from it their stories should be rejected by everyone. But so many viewers treat the next episode as a trusted news report. What a terrible lack of perspective, and a lack of appreciation for a series that was designed to inspire young people, and succeeded in doing so for many years.
Many of the EU writers didnt care either and created some very stupid things under Lucas’ watch.
Mae telling the Jedi that everyone would need to be sacrificed was to showcase how misinformation can lead to incorrect assumptions.
The Mother told the girls that Ascension involves sacrificing a part of oneself in order to become part of a greater purpose. Presumably, everyone else in the coven has gone through the ceremony.
Because Mae doesn't fully understand the ceremony, which she told the Jedi, she miscommunicates what The Mother said. Thus, Mae told the Jedi that everyone must be sacrificed. This, in turn, makes the Jedi become even more suspicious about the witches.
Well, it certainly made Sol more suspicious. Indara tries her best to not jump to conclusions or assume the worst.
Tbh I’m more excited to hear you talk about it rather than watching it myself. You’re great but it saddens me this is where we are at with Star Wars
Thanks a lot Thor. Thanks to you I can learn about the story of this show !
Seven weeks on Brendok, with technology snooping devices and all being Force sensitive, yet the Jedi hadn't found a big damn castle with its own high technology and full of Force sensitives... _within walking distance of their camp._
And how did they happen to land a ship within walking distance of a big damn castle and not see it after seven weeks?
In the end, Sol told Osha, "Mae started a fire." She did...but how did he know?
They showed Mae standing at the door crying for help, then she started going smokey. They also showed Sol erroneously call her "Osha," so I guess the implication is that he erroneously thought Mother Aniseya was harming her, so he responded by immediately killing the Aniseya.
I also guess we're supposed to presume Torbin was thinking unclearly because Mother Aniseya's suggestion was still affecting his mind.
>>I also guess we're supposed to presume Torbin was thinking unclearly because Mother Aniseya's suggestion was still affecting his mind.
Penultimate episode…..and nothing changed anyone’s prospectives!
Light saber is not that deadly, Mama YES will wake up in the hospital and say "I'm fine" 😂
Mama YESSSSS!
It`s weird how this series is so bad with the mysterys it wants to be interesting, but makes interesting mysterys without wanting too. Like Qimir. Headland said Qimir wasn`t meant to be as interesting as he is (at least I remember her saying that in an interview). And now in this episode they talk about a lifeless planet becoming inhabitable and that there is a vergence of the force that could create life.... That is a fantastic interesting mystery, I would love to explore! What is this vergence? How was it created? Are the twins the vergence, or were they just created with it and it`s a separate thing? Is the planet the vergence? (Okay, I read that only Sol thought it`s a vergence they were looking for, but still: what happened to the planet? it`s a better mystery than what we have in the center of the episode)
They could have done so much with it and they use it as an unimportant plot-excuse for the jedi being there and Tormen doing his stupid stuff....
That "Your good intentions will lead to the end of the Jedi," thing has the same energy as Sabine implying that she thinks that Palpatine survived.
Palpatine didn't survive.
7, 8 & 9 did not happen.
He's not a clone, maybe he can be, when 7, 8 & 9 are redone.
That fleet of planet destroying star destroyers on Exigol, I can get on board with a lot of big asks, dyad? Nope, those movies did not happen.
My sincere apologies to the late Peter Mayhew Max Von Sydow, Carrie Fisher and the living Mark Hamil, Andy Serkis, Anthony Daniels, Simon Pegg and Harrison Ford.
Wow, your theory about the tree being the source has potential! As you speculated, it would explain Mae being brought back, after the fall. Also, why the leaves are poison. It give life but it takes it away if you consume it! Please apply for a job as a Star Wars writer. I suspect the current writers didn’t even consider any of that. Love the Channel.
When he shouts OSHA i thought he said oh shit lol
Hey Thor, whats your opinion on witches as an overall concept in Star Wars?
At first when they showed up in the Clone Wars I didn't give them much thought but as they have been showing up more and more frequently (Clone Wars, Rebels, Ahsoka, now Acolyte) I've started to feel that they are rather out of place, especially with the more traditional portrayals of the force. The witches feel far more suited to a pure fantasy franchise, so much chanting, spellcasting, magic and fantastical green energy, transforming into smoke it just takes me out of the story.
Sometimes these witches feel like just an excuse to have darksiders on screen at a time when the Sith are few in number (similar to how the Inquisitors are just non-Vader lightsaber wielders for the protagonists to fight and defeat) but its particularly how they use their 'magic' and the visual identity of their powers that at times feels very un-Star Warsy to me.
They could have easily said:
” I know all about you Torbin. I know you have a sick sister. I can help save her. All you need to do is ask”
Torbim actually misheard the Jedi before and thought that they were looking a virgim, that's why he endured 7 weeks with no complains. Then when he learns they are actually looking a vergence he says "screw you guys, I am going home", hoping the T'wilak he met in a bar back in Coruscant is still there.
This show was nothing but Lucasfilm gaslighting the fandom, promising Roshemon but delivering only "commune of lez space witches good, incompetent child napping space cops evil".
Yoda foolishly destroyed the Jedi and Republic by going to claim the clone troopers. He helped create the Empire.
Oh, this show is being executed all right...
The Acolyte is a queen high pair of 3s bluffing as a royal flush.
I’m not an Odinson or a Skywalker, ❤but I approve of this video my young padawan.
Seven weeks on Brendok, with technology snooping devices and all being Force sensitive, yet the Jedi hadn't found a big damn castle with its own high technology and full of Force sensitives... _within walking distance of their camp._
And how did they happen to land a ship within walking distance of a big damn castle and not see it? Didn't they do recce over the planet to decide on a place to land?
In the end, Sol told Osha, "Mae started a fire." She did...but how did he know?
They showed Mae standing at the door crying for help, then she started going smokey. They also showed Sol erroneously call her "Osha," so I guess the implication is that he erroneously thought Mother Aniseya was harming her, so he responded by immediately killing the Aniseya.
I also guess we're supposed to presume Torbin was thinking unclearly because Mother Aniseya's suggestion was still affecting his mind.
The background of the destroyed planet with mysteriously abundant life should have been in the very first episode..if not this series' opening crawl..established.. them jump forward 16 years so there's some context and mystery..
There are like 5-10 really good plot points in this show. If we had capable writers, who actually understood perspective and nuance something great could have emerged. The planet, the coven being drawn there. Other dark side users. Maybe a story about a battle over the vergence. The jedi, the coven, and qimir. And in the end the coven and jedi work together to defeat the other. Mostly sacrificing themselves. Could have still used the twins. One recognizing the noble sacrifice of her coven bc they realized the jedi were better stewards than qimir. The other resenting the jedi for allowing the coven to sacrifice itself. And being twisted by qimir.
It’s nice to see a deservedly harsh review that doesn’t rely on rage bait
wanna remind everyone that this is our very first live action look into a brand new era of star wars and this is the story they chose to tell
The Anasaia/Sol scene that you reference here is EXACTLY what I'm talking about when I refer to writers/creators like Leslye not understanding how to make conversations "flow". No one talks like that to people ANYWHERE in real life, especially if the want is to not only get rid of them, but to have the event STAY PEACEFUL. Just DUMB.
I can buy the Horney-Toad Mama would then lose her shit because she's not getting what she wants, but in a world where there's so much fear - conversations like this one just DON'T HAPPEN.
I’m just glad they didn’t say the mid count was “over 20,000” really thought that line was coming
Thor………
It goes off the rails….???????? When was it on the rails😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂lol
Love your content
The problem with this show is how they've edited the story into episodes. Using material already shown, and reordering events, it wouldve been a more engaging mystery/story.
Heres a quick example....
Open TA episode one, a 50 minute or so episode, that blends both the Brendock flashback episodes into one. So we see all perspectives in one episode. Like Sol creeping in the trees, cut to close up of the twins, how Mae is force holding the bird in mid flight ready to kill it. And such. Episode ends with Mae falling to her presumed death, and then fade to black....16 years later.....we see who we think is Osha therefore standing listening to the Sith silhouette lighting his saber and saying that stuff about "steel and laser is no match for the jedi". End episode.
Then from there we see who we think is Osha slaying Indorra etc, them capturing her, and all evidence pointing to her being the killer, and the mystery then is her maintaining hwr innocence at the council, and then her getting a force feeling Mae is still alive. Then we have the Jedi going to Brendock episode, where Kanuka is already dead and Qimir is revealed, and we see Mae alive for the first time. No twin swap maybe...or maybe Qimir and Mae are arguing in the forest where she strings him up and says shes had enough, etc, as reasoning for her reversal, and how Osha in the end becomes his apprentice and Mae becomes the misunderstood one etc etc. Then end the season showing how Vernatras backstabbed Qimir (like how TA ep8 may likely conclude).
I can’t wait for this series to finish so that Anakin can blow up the Death Star.
Jedi Master Trinity severed the Witches WiFi router breaking the Witches connection to the Matrix proving she truly is the Chosen One...wait, what are we talking about again?
Great questions Thor! Too bad I'm in the "68%"...but I'm LOVING the shredding of this idiocy by you and many other TH-camrs.
What a brave man still watching this show. Although it's helpful for us people who will not watch it ever and get to know parts of it ... I just hope these reviewers' watch time doesn't add too much to the numbers so Disney can finally make some necessary changes. Though they will more likely quadruple down squared before they admit their direction has been bad.
the shocking reveal is that Sol was able to tell which twin was Osha on the catwalk and not any other time.
But Anisaya said she was letting Osha go to be a Jedi. It was not her fault that the rest happened Torbin should never been allowed out off the Jedi temple. I think it is so bad written and Torbin I don't get at all. Not how Sol reacts on that he must train Osha and that they are not safe. That part where Koril got into Kenakas mind and fought his friends. That was good, but since all the wishes died when Indare forced her out of Kenaka, it felt they all were in his mind. It felt just stupid. It feels like Koril got away and as you said, what happened to the archers?
2:48 How could Torbin be of any use “looking” when he has no idea what he’s supposed to be looking for???
Holy hell this show makes no sense.
The problem with Sol's confusion with the so called twins is that they're not the same size and face: Mae has a more angular chin and Osha a rounded chin, and their eyes aren't similar, it begs you too much suspension of disbelief 😅😅😅
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Leslye Headland the Foolish? It’s an old KK legend.
Leslye Headland was a woke writer of the alphabet brigade, so arrogant and so foolish she used her influence to destroy Star Wars canon… She had such a knowledge of the social justices that she could even put her agendas in a franchise that had no need for them. The woke side of writing is a pathway to strange things many consider to be unnatural. She became so arrogant… the only thing she was afraid of was losing her credibility, which eventually, of course, she did. Unfortunately, she taught her apprentice, Amandla Stenberg, everything she knew, then her apprentice scissored her in her sleep. Ironic. She tried to cancel others, while only cancelling herself.
@@IrishNigerian these comments are so cringe
@@chileanyways196 You would know shill, cope.
So OSHA just imagined that her sister said “I’ll kill you”???!!!
That's possible. Our memories are not really recorders of fact but more our interpretation based on the facts. With something this traumatic and with Osha believing Mae responsible for everyone dying, it's possible her mind tried to make sense of why. Or her anger over so many years added to the incident to justify her hatred for her sister.
Entirely possible. This show is a ham fisted attempt at a Rashomon-like mystery with multiple points of view told by unreliable narrators. Neither flashback is the complete true story.