When I was in flight school, I had a crazy Marine Corps friend who thought sag was a waste of travel. He dialed all of the sag out of his rear shock and was essentially riding a pogo stick ('89 CR500R). I was riding behind him when he endo'd after hitting a pebble. I swear to god, it was like watching a tasmanian devil Loony Tunes Cartoon! I was suddenly behind a rolling dust cloud, and every now and then an arm, or a leg, or a wheel, would pop out of the dust cloud as he tumbled across the plain outside of Corpus Christi, TX. And that's how I learned to appreciate suspension sag! God Bless the Marine Corps.
John on your clicker adjustments the first click out is zero, bottomed is bottomed no adjustment. The spring does look to soft loaded when watching the video of the rear wheel camera. Static sag is important because it defines the hold-up in the shocks damping, below a certain point in the travel you are riding in a different portion of the damping structure.
Hmm. That's the first time I've heard it described that way. Checking the manual it describes click 1 (1 click out) as the first click after bottoming. At least that's way I've been doing it for a while. Yes the spring is too soft, that's why I've installed a heavier one. Static sag is only important in knowing where your sag may end up when you load the bike. A bike sitting static has no use for a suspension at all. It does help you figure out your spring rate without totally guessing at it. If sitting static you're using 30% of your travel your spring is probably too soft. 10% sag is a great number to aim for. as in 30 to 40 mm static sag if your travel is 300 or so mms. More static than that and it's time to start looking for a new spring. Like a Race Tech spring maybe. But I could be wrong. Thanks for the insights and for watching as always!
@@JohnTYoung Don't change your method because of my input, it's how I was taught, keep a routine that work for you.Having a actual Feel of the changes you make is the first step to understanding what works and what doesn't.
As I stated in your 10,000 mile review, the 6.0 is a perfect spring for overall loaded/unloaded riding. I wish I would have seen this video 5 years ago when I was experimenting with spring rates. Thank you John.
My girlfriend and I are hopefully moving to Colorado in the next few years and you are definitely inspiring me! Getting an adventure bike soon but not too many good places near New Orleans that i know of but at least its a start!
That was quite useful. One tip re your filming would be to consider a lavallier mic on a 5m cord for your static setups. Your voice was quiet when you were a few metres from the camera. Also I couldn’t hear you when you were on the bike at first so the mic is essential. It’s a bit of a pain with the mucking around but gives a much better result. Some suspension experts have a ballpark figure of 10% of travel for static sag and 30% for rider/loaded sag then go from there.
I hate to admit it but I do use a lavalier mic. Badly. When I remember to turn it on. Lol. I am a total noob when it comes to getting these things right. Yes 30% race sag. So a bike with 12” of travel , etc. Thanks for watching and the advice. I can use all of it I can get.
Thanks John. I'm 6foot 280 but haven't loaded up for camping yet and haven't had any problems feeling I'm to big for the 450l .I'll be adjusting now that I feal more confident with what you have shown us 🇺🇸
Fine job. You may go into this in the next video. Recommended spring length is listed in the manual: Spring pre-load length Standard: 9.13 in (232.0 mm) Max. : 9.41 in (239.0 mm) Min. : 8.88 in (225.5 mm). The Xtrig is an awesome piece for that scenario of loaded all day, unload at camp to go for a ride. 8mm socket 11/4” drive extension, 2 min to adjust your sag.
I looked into those but never followed up with them if their older CRF model will fit the newer CRFs, otherwise would already have on on my bike. There are quite a few adv parts out there for KTMs that no one has made for the Hondas, yet.
I will tell you if you do a lot of sag adjustments I highly recommend the Motool Slacker. Very easy to do self adjustments. I know it's pricy and you mentioned it. As far as sag you are spot on. You can also go go with less sag for quicker cornering and soften up your damping for ride comfort. Also smart on your part is not concerning yourself with static sag. It will drive you nuts!! You can adjust your ride with the clickers. Soften the rebound with more static sag and stiffen the rebound with less static sag.
Hi John! I´m a new suscriber (let´s blame YT for my delayed discovery of your channel). I like a lot your thorough reviews, full of usable info for the non expert. And expert too, given the atention you put on reporting the performance of several components through thousends of miles, parts installation techniques, and riding experience... I appeal to your tacit permisision to clarify the following: There´s a deceptively simple way to measure a spring capacity, called Hooke law ( ...for the guy´s name). Basically states that, aplying some force, you´ll change it´s lenght in a porportional measure. If you apply 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds), and get the spring to compress 1mm (0.03 inches), you´ll know (and it´s sort of redundant) that you have a constant for that spring of 1 Kg/mm, or about 73 Lb/in. I believe that what you have there is rated 6 kg/mm. In other words, if you place one and a half gallon of water upon that spring, it ´ll shorten 1 mm. I sympathize a lot with the mess you guys have, translating physics units from metric to imperial, when you cope with foreign hardware. I´m from Argentina and we also still use inches (pulgadas) for some applications , and even have tooling in that system. I´m a "mm" guy, by all means, though :D So, very respectfully, it´s not Kg/Nm, it´s Kg/mm. Very easy to confuse. Kilograms (force, or weight...yes, I know engineers...) and Newton are forms of measuring the same thing. One Newton is about 0.102 Kg, or 0.22 lbs. Fair is to say even in countrys that use the metric system, nobody "talks" in Newtons (or merely know what it means) unless is keen on technical issues in some way. They use kilograms, or grams. To make it worst, Nm (Not just Newton, but Newtonmeter, that is Newton multiplied by meters) are a measure of torque, being used more and more lately, in technical information. Metric version of lbs/ft It describes basically the amount of effort you put in twisting something, wich depends not only on the force, but also in your lever's lenght. "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world"..... uncle Archimedes.... That´s as useful for the tightening of your bike´s bolts and nuts, as for calculating rods, or a semi chassis, or the Eiffel tower. Everywhere a force is applyed "not directly". I know you are used to that concept since you´ve explained it with the torque wrench. I´ll leave the concept of "Work" to confuse everybody even more, some other time :D Sory for the unstandable lenght of the script, and the preeching style. Come travel to the Andes as soon as circumstances alloud it. You´ll find incredible landscapes, kind people, a huge motorcyclist comunity you won´t believe exists here, and an exchange ratio that will make it super inexpensive for you ;) Hugs, sincerely.....
Should put matching fork springs in as well in order to keep the bike properly balanced. Suspension is everything with these bikes, I feel that’s where the first dollar should always be invested. Either way great video looks like you have an amazing place to ride I’m jealous!
According to the Race Tech site I should be running a lighter spring than stock when unloaded and the stock spring when loaded. So in my example I didn't need a different spring. Your results may vary and you should follow whichever spring manufacturer recommendations they are giving you. So sorry I wasn't more clear about all that. I'll add it to the video's description. Don't be jealous, get on your bike and ride to the Rockies!
Really thought I was going to see that strap get tore off along with some plastic. Weight limit might have to do with the durability of the rear bolt-on subframe carrying the seat and any add-on luggage due to the design of the forward sweeping main frame. A lot of leverage there. Cheers...Shad
Thanks John, as always, very helpful and you remain about a month ahead of me wrt stuff I need to sort out! Been thinking about sag and getting the RMATVMC electronic tool too. It sounds like the optimal sag is going to be a compromise between unloaded and loaded?...and with a new spring since the OEM was max'd when loaded? Interested to find out...particularly since my (summer...) weight is close to yours and about 180 bare ass'd nekd' Thanks again as always.
Yes, unless you take the time to readjust the sag it will always be a compromise. I don’t mind doing the adjustment, I just don’t want it to take all day. Lol. I’m lazy. Thanks as always for watching.
I think it’s actually called a case saver? It’s the little metal piece that goes on before putting the plastic cover on. I’m still unsure on what to order. Thanks for all your help!!!
Hey man. Hope all is fine. When you first got the bike- even though you knew you were eventually gonna set it up for adventure and weigh it down with gear. Did you even for a minute ever consider a 1 inch lowering link- especially when you put on the better seat with more cushion? Or are those links a no-no and always out of the question. Are you now flat footed when fully loaded? (The bike- not you). Have a great SPRING out there.....🙄.
@@JohnTYoung Oh Man- an ADJUSTABLE Zeta link! Back into the rabbit hole I go. The mint 2019 I found and am looking at has a Kouba 1/12 inch low link. The seller is 5’9 at best. I’m 6 feet all day with long legs. I can never win.
Thank you. Those are the Motoz Rallzs. Yes, they work well on the road. I'd say they are a 20% road / 80% dirt and are so far my favorite ADV tires for longer trips.
@@JohnTYoung thanks for your prompt replies. I'll check those out. Did you say your Honda has a strong subframe? Is it stronger than my Husqvarna FE450? I'm just curious to know. Thanks again for the content.
@@paulcomrie9534 I'm not sure what the sub frame is rated for, but I can stand on it without it bending at all. th-cam.com/video/XicT2mkzwxU/w-d-xo.html
@@JohnTYoung You know what bud- it might be the Rally 300. Sometimes it’s almost impossible to remember where I read this nonsense. Is it even possible that a topend Honda would have a suspension that is not fully adjustable by the owner? Any way I apologize- for you clearly use the word adjust through out the whole vid. And either way- I got my confirmed answer. Hope your having a great Sunday. Thx for everything.
I've done just over 1000 miles on my CRF450L (we have winter in Canada LOL), coming from a XR650 its taking a lot of getting used to, every time I take it out on gravel roads it feels just as intimidating as ever with the front wheel dancing all around even the smallest gravel rut. After an hour or so I start to feel a lot more at home with it and I've recently realised its not me, I think its the bike. In the garage the forks appear to have a lot of stiction and thinking this dissipates with use, maybe the seals warm up and loosen, anyone else experienced this phenomenon or can comment?
@@JohnTYoung Thanks John, I have the motion pro micro bleeders and try to remember to depress them every time I have the bike on a stand. So your forks have always moved easily when the bike is static? My forks do have noticeable greater resistance to initial movement than my other bikes but they are all road with slimmer stanchions. I'll check on my next ride if my theory is true or imagination, if I'm right I'll drop the front wheel off and check each fork leg,. Thanks again for your channel, it continues to be a great source of information and help
Any one have any tips for adjusting the shock rebound? The linkage is in the way to get a screw driver in there. I can't get my 90 degree flat blade in there either.
@@JohnTYoung thanks! Had my wife come sit on it and got it. I just rode it for the first time, the rear end was really unsettled and was kicking like crazy. Forks were great. Going to play around with it on the trail next time, but curious if you had the same issue. I think you said you ended up 5 clicks out on shock rebound?
I just bought a brand new 2022 Honda CRF 450 RL and I bet a covered wagan rides smother than this bike!! How can they sell u a $13,600 Bike like this !! No suspension ajustments will even help At all!! It is going to need revalving !! Another $1000 into that ! I already have $4000 in it already and still going !! Stiffs bike I have ever ever road in my life!! Don't ever ever ride it in the dirt never!! And that's what it is made for!!!!!
Agreed. I ride my '19 like an Enduro. It beats the he'll out of me. Just yesterday, the 2 stroke guys are passing me sitting down, floating over baby heads and I'm working my ass off. I want a new bike, but I guess new suspension is cheaper. But can I ever get it to the level of a true Enduro bike suspension?
@@edwalker2790 iam going to have Mad Racing revavle the suspension they did it to my Honda 92 CR500 AND IT WAS THE BEST RIDE I HAVE EVER ROAD ON THE TRACK!!?
When I was in flight school, I had a crazy Marine Corps friend who thought sag was a waste of travel. He dialed all of the sag out of his rear shock and was essentially riding a pogo stick ('89 CR500R).
I was riding behind him when he endo'd after hitting a pebble. I swear to god, it was like watching a tasmanian devil Loony Tunes Cartoon! I was suddenly behind a rolling dust cloud, and every now and then an arm, or a leg, or a wheel, would pop out of the dust cloud as he tumbled across the plain outside of Corpus Christi, TX.
And that's how I learned to appreciate suspension sag! God Bless the Marine Corps.
Leading the way since 1775.
Nice to see an American that's not dumbfounded by the metric system when it comes to measurement. So much easier to work with than Imperial.
Us GenXers were poised to make the switch, then Reagan pulled us all back into the 19th century.
Fantastic video John! I’ve only set my sag as until this video I don’t know what to do with the other adjusters. Much appreciated.
I'm not a suspension expert but my advice is to fiddle with them. LOL.
John on your clicker adjustments the first click out is zero, bottomed is bottomed no adjustment. The spring does look to soft loaded when watching the video of the rear wheel camera. Static sag is important because it defines the hold-up in the shocks damping, below a certain point in the travel you are riding in a different portion of the damping structure.
Hmm. That's the first time I've heard it described that way. Checking the manual it describes click 1 (1 click out) as the first click after bottoming. At least that's way I've been doing it for a while. Yes the spring is too soft, that's why I've installed a heavier one. Static sag is only important in knowing where your sag may end up when you load the bike. A bike sitting static has no use for a suspension at all. It does help you figure out your spring rate without totally guessing at it. If sitting static you're using 30% of your travel your spring is probably too soft. 10% sag is a great number to aim for. as in 30 to 40 mm static sag if your travel is 300 or so mms. More static than that and it's time to start looking for a new spring. Like a Race Tech spring maybe. But I could be wrong. Thanks for the insights and for watching as always!
@@JohnTYoung Don't change your method because of my input, it's how I was taught, keep a routine that work for you.Having a actual Feel of the changes you make is the first step to understanding what works and what doesn't.
As I stated in your 10,000 mile review, the 6.0 is a perfect spring for overall loaded/unloaded riding. I wish I would have seen this video 5 years ago when I was experimenting with spring rates. Thank you John.
You're welcome. Sorry I'm late.
My girlfriend and I are hopefully moving to Colorado in the next few years and you are definitely inspiring me! Getting an adventure bike soon but not too many good places near New Orleans that i know of but at least its a start!
You'll love it out here, and an adventure bike is the perfect way to get here!
Save yourself some state income tax and check out Wyoming long as your not a democrat
That was quite useful. One tip re your filming would be to consider a lavallier mic on a 5m cord for your static setups. Your voice was quiet when you were a few metres from the camera. Also I couldn’t hear you when you were on the bike at first so the mic is essential. It’s a bit of a pain with the mucking around but gives a much better result. Some suspension experts have a ballpark figure of 10% of travel for static sag and 30% for rider/loaded sag then go from there.
I hate to admit it but I do use a lavalier mic. Badly. When I remember to turn it on. Lol. I am a total noob when it comes to getting these things right. Yes 30% race sag. So a bike with 12” of travel , etc. Thanks for watching and the advice. I can use all of it I can get.
Also remember guys to do the front sag, suspension is a matched set, front and rear.
Front sag is so easy to do. Just wrap a zip tie around a slider, sit on the bike, get off, and then measure how far the zip tie was displaced.
Thanks John. I'm 6foot 280 but haven't loaded up for camping yet and haven't had any problems feeling I'm to big for the 450l .I'll be adjusting now that I feal more confident with what you have shown us 🇺🇸
Thank you Steven. I'm sure if you have alook around there are much MUCH better suspension setup videos.
Thanks for sharing John.
That's a straight forward, informative demo on suspension adjustments.
Regards from S Africa
Clive
Thank you.
Fine job. You may go into this in the next video. Recommended spring length is listed in the manual: Spring pre-load length
Standard: 9.13 in (232.0 mm) Max. : 9.41 in (239.0 mm) Min. : 8.88 in (225.5 mm). The Xtrig is an awesome piece for that scenario of loaded all day, unload at camp to go for a ride. 8mm socket 11/4” drive extension, 2 min to adjust your sag.
Have one on my Beta and the Xtrig is sweet.
I looked into those but never followed up with them if their older CRF model will fit the newer CRFs, otherwise would already have on on my bike. There are quite a few adv parts out there for KTMs that no one has made for the Hondas, yet.
I will tell you if you do a lot of sag adjustments I highly recommend the Motool Slacker. Very easy to do self adjustments. I know it's pricy and you mentioned it. As far as sag you are spot on. You can also go go with less sag for quicker cornering and soften up your damping for ride comfort.
Also smart on your part is not concerning yourself with static sag. It will drive you nuts!! You can adjust your ride with the clickers. Soften the rebound with more static sag and stiffen the rebound with less static sag.
Ka Ching! I've been using the DRC Sag Checker and liking it. Thanks!
Dang John - another great resource to have in the library!
Thanks Eric!
Just subbed. Bought a 450l last week. Been looking into messing with the clickers and this video came out at just the right time!
Awesome! Click away.
Hi John!
I´m a new suscriber (let´s blame YT for my delayed discovery of your channel).
I like a lot your thorough reviews, full of usable info for the non expert.
And expert too, given the atention you put on reporting the performance of several components through thousends of miles, parts installation techniques, and riding experience...
I appeal to your tacit permisision to clarify the following:
There´s a deceptively simple way to measure a spring capacity, called Hooke law ( ...for the guy´s name).
Basically states that, aplying some force, you´ll change it´s lenght in a porportional measure.
If you apply 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds), and get the spring to compress 1mm (0.03 inches), you´ll know (and it´s sort of redundant) that you have a constant for that spring of 1 Kg/mm,
or about 73 Lb/in.
I believe that what you have there is rated 6 kg/mm.
In other words, if you place one and a half gallon of water upon that spring, it ´ll shorten 1 mm.
I sympathize a lot with the mess you guys have, translating physics units from metric to imperial, when you cope with foreign hardware.
I´m from Argentina and we also still use inches (pulgadas) for some applications , and even have tooling in that system.
I´m a "mm" guy, by all means, though :D
So, very respectfully, it´s not Kg/Nm, it´s Kg/mm. Very easy to confuse.
Kilograms (force, or weight...yes, I know engineers...) and Newton are forms of measuring the same thing.
One Newton is about 0.102 Kg, or 0.22 lbs.
Fair is to say even in countrys that use the metric system, nobody "talks" in Newtons (or merely know what it means) unless is keen on technical issues in some way.
They use kilograms, or grams.
To make it worst, Nm (Not just Newton, but Newtonmeter, that is Newton multiplied by meters) are a measure of torque, being used more and more lately, in technical information.
Metric version of lbs/ft
It describes basically the amount of effort you put in twisting something, wich depends not only on the force, but also in your lever's lenght.
"Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world"..... uncle Archimedes....
That´s as useful for the tightening of your bike´s bolts and nuts, as for calculating rods, or a semi chassis, or the Eiffel tower. Everywhere a force is applyed "not directly".
I know you are used to that concept since you´ve explained it with the torque wrench.
I´ll leave the concept of "Work" to confuse everybody even more, some other time :D
Sory for the unstandable lenght of the script, and the preeching style.
Come travel to the Andes as soon as circumstances alloud it.
You´ll find incredible landscapes, kind people, a huge motorcyclist comunity you won´t believe exists here, and an exchange ratio that will make it super inexpensive for you ;)
Hugs, sincerely.....
That is a lot to digest, but thank you. And the Andes sound and look amazing! They're now officially on my list. Thank you.
@@JohnTYoung You´re wellcome ;)
Great video John! Thanks for the content! I need to get my sag adjusted as well! I’m sure mine will handle much better once I do!
Thanks John. It will make a big difference if it's off by a lot.
John T. Young I imagine it will
Great video. I learned a lot. Thanks
Thanks Pat! I really appreciate that.
Should put matching fork springs in as well in order to keep the bike properly balanced. Suspension is everything with these bikes, I feel that’s where the first dollar should always be invested. Either way great video looks like you have an amazing place to ride I’m jealous!
According to the Race Tech site I should be running a lighter spring than stock when unloaded and the stock spring when loaded. So in my example I didn't need a different spring. Your results may vary and you should follow whichever spring manufacturer recommendations they are giving you. So sorry I wasn't more clear about all that. I'll add it to the video's description. Don't be jealous, get on your bike and ride to the Rockies!
Really thought I was going to see that strap get tore off along with some plastic. Weight limit might have to do with the durability of the rear bolt-on subframe carrying the seat and any add-on luggage due to the design of the forward sweeping main frame. A lot of leverage there. Cheers...Shad
Nope. Still solid after all this bouncing
@@JohnTYoung Have you exceeded the recommended weight limit ?
Yupper
Great info there! Thanks John
Thank you.
Awesome i have the 2019 crf450x i ride dual sport with it trying to adjust the suspension
Have fun!
Thanks John, as always, very helpful and you remain about a month ahead of me wrt stuff I need to sort out! Been thinking about sag and getting the RMATVMC electronic tool too. It sounds like the optimal sag is going to be a compromise between unloaded and loaded?...and with a new spring since the OEM was max'd when loaded? Interested to find out...particularly since my (summer...) weight is close to yours and about 180 bare ass'd nekd' Thanks again as always.
Yes, unless you take the time to readjust the sag it will always be a compromise. I don’t mind doing the adjustment, I just don’t want it to take all day. Lol. I’m lazy. Thanks as always for watching.
Excellent video! Where did you get the frame guards? Are the for a CRF X?
Yes, they're for the X and you'll need to do a little cutting to get them to fit right. Thank you.
Totally off subject, but I’ve messed up the washer for the front sprocket... how? Idk. Any recommendations on what to do?
Order a new one. www.rockymountainatvmc.com/oem-schematic/8 35 90501-KSC-670 WASHER, SPRING (24MM) / 19 23802-KSC-670 COLLAR, DRIVE SPROCKET
I think it’s actually called a case saver? It’s the little metal piece that goes on before putting the plastic cover on. I’m still unsure on what to order. Thanks for all your help!!!
Hey man.
Hope all is fine.
When you first got the bike- even though you knew you were eventually gonna set it up for adventure and weigh it down with gear.
Did you even for a minute ever consider a 1 inch lowering link-
especially when you put on the better seat with more cushion?
Or are those links a no-no and always out of the question.
Are you now flat footed when fully loaded?
(The bike- not you).
Have a great SPRING out there.....🙄.
I did. I'm not all that tall. I was looking at the Zeta link that's adjustable.
@@JohnTYoung Oh Man- an ADJUSTABLE Zeta link!
Back into the rabbit hole I go.
The mint 2019 I found and am looking at has a Kouba 1/12 inch low link.
The seller is 5’9 at best. I’m 6 feet all day with long legs.
I can never win.
@@billyarsenault1970 LOL. Sorry.
Hey John, nice content. What tires are you running? They look good for pavement as well.
also, what is the rack you are running in the back?
Thank you. Those are the Motoz Rallzs. Yes, they work well on the road. I'd say they are a 20% road / 80% dirt and are so far my favorite ADV tires for longer trips.
That's a Skaggs Rack. Super clean installation. And SOLID too.
@@JohnTYoung thanks for your prompt replies. I'll check those out. Did you say your Honda has a strong subframe? Is it stronger than my Husqvarna FE450? I'm just curious to know. Thanks again for the content.
@@paulcomrie9534 I'm not sure what the sub frame is rated for, but I can stand on it without it bending at all. th-cam.com/video/XicT2mkzwxU/w-d-xo.html
Hey John.
Hope all is good.
Why do I hear people saying about these bikes “ Can’t adjust the suspension- deal breaker”.
What am I missing.
Thx bud.
Dunno. The suspension is completely adjustable. It's the same components as on the CRF450R. Sure they're talking about the CRF450L?
@@JohnTYoung You know what bud- it might be the Rally 300.
Sometimes it’s almost impossible to remember where I read this nonsense.
Is it even possible that a topend Honda would have a suspension that is not fully adjustable by the owner?
Any way I apologize- for you clearly use the word adjust through out the whole vid.
And either way- I got my confirmed answer.
Hope your having a great Sunday. Thx for everything.
@@billyarsenault1970 it could be Billy! My Sunday includes a 13 hour shift then passing out in bed. I hope yours is better!
I've done just over 1000 miles on my CRF450L (we have winter in Canada LOL), coming from a XR650 its taking a lot of getting used to, every time I take it out on gravel roads it feels just as intimidating as ever with the front wheel dancing all around even the smallest gravel rut. After an hour or so I start to feel a lot more at home with it and I've recently realised its not me, I think its the bike. In the garage the forks appear to have a lot of stiction and thinking this dissipates with use, maybe the seals warm up and loosen, anyone else experienced this phenomenon or can comment?
I have not noticed it. Have you bled the air from your forks? That can lead to some issues as well.
@@JohnTYoung Thanks John, I have the motion pro micro bleeders and try to remember to depress them every time I have the bike on a stand. So your forks have always moved easily when the bike is static? My forks do have noticeable greater resistance to initial movement than my other bikes but they are all road with slimmer stanchions. I'll check on my next ride if my theory is true or imagination, if I'm right I'll drop the front wheel off and check each fork leg,. Thanks again for your channel, it continues to be a great source of information and help
@@DirtRiderLife you're welcome Martin. Thanks for watching.
Any one have any tips for adjusting the shock rebound? The linkage is in the way to get a screw driver in there. I can't get my 90 degree flat blade in there either.
Push down on the seat and it'll be easier to get to. Or have a friend sit on the bike...
@@JohnTYoung thanks! Had my wife come sit on it and got it. I just rode it for the first time, the rear end was really unsettled and was kicking like crazy. Forks were great. Going to play around with it on the trail next time, but curious if you had the same issue. I think you said you ended up 5 clicks out on shock rebound?
@@flyinbryan125 somewhere in there. It's been so long that It's been stock...
👍👍
Thank for watching.
I just bought a brand new 2022 Honda CRF 450 RL and I bet a covered wagan rides smother than this bike!! How can they sell u a $13,600 Bike like this !! No suspension ajustments will even help At all!! It is going to need revalving !! Another $1000 into that ! I already have $4000 in it already and still going !! Stiffs bike I have ever ever road in my life!! Don't ever ever ride it in the dirt never!! And that's what it is made for!!!!!
Huh. I didn’t have that issue. It’s stiff, but I’ve never found it harsh once I dialed it in a bit.
Agreed. I ride my '19 like an Enduro. It beats the he'll out of me. Just yesterday, the 2 stroke guys are passing me sitting down, floating over baby heads and I'm working my ass off. I want a new bike, but I guess new suspension is cheaper. But can I ever get it to the level of a true Enduro bike suspension?
@@edwalker2790 iam going to have Mad Racing revavle the suspension they did it to my Honda 92 CR500 AND IT WAS THE BEST RIDE I HAVE EVER ROAD ON THE TRACK!!?
@@JohnTYoung How much do you weigh?
@@edwalker2790 getting kinda personal there aren’t ya? I’m about 190 give or take 10