Peter, great job on the Sonos videos. Now that dual subs are possible, could you compare this "ultimate" setup against the Arc + Sub x2 + OneSL surrounds? This seems fair since the price point is the same......
I am actually happy where I am now. Of course I would love to have a bigger channel, bigger following and be able to use this channel as a reasonable source of income but right now, I am happy producing the videos and so Glad that I am able to help people around the world appreciate wireless audio!
For those who want it all: Arc+sub3+one surround; used for film/TV viewing. 2 x Fives placed in front, either side of the arc; used when playing music. Thats when you know you are ‘all in’ into Sonos.
Your content is amazing! Perfect timing now that JimsReviewRoom discontinued his channel. He left with 1 million subscribers! Keep up the great work and you’ll be there in no time!
His work is truly amazing and I have drawn several inspirations from him too. The goal of getting to where he is sounds.... big. And it looks really small from where I am now because it's so far away! :) Thanks for the encouragement! ps : I hope I can make you spend as much money as he can! :P
I think the Sonos 5 as surrounds might have more of an advantage iPod the space between the surrounds in a wide spread room arrangement would yield more tangible subjective performance advantages over the much smaller Sonos 1. I get a lot of sharp, pinpoint directionality from the Sonos ones, (more so from he right side). I cannot help but wonder how much more fuller the atmos effect could be with the Sonos 5 as it pertains to offering much bigger sound stage at similar volumes that I set my Sonos 1. I am of the belief that the broader spread of sound emanating from two Sonos 5s will offer a much more subtle but more importantly convincing immersion into the Atmos sound field than Sonos 1s are capable of. The smallness of the Ones in an Arc/2 Sub Gen 3 set up is too noticeable
I'm thinking the same. The sound stage has to be better. And that is the point, not necessarily louder but more immersion...you cannot tell me a 1sl is the same as a 5 I'm sound quality
I use the symfonisk as rears they are more than adequate. And you can pick up a cheap older gen sub second hand. The only important thing you need really is the ARC.
hi peter black friday sale, buying -2-SUB-GEN 3 SONOS 1X2, SONOS 5 X 2 SONOS ARC, DELIVER 2-12-20, LIKE A DOG WITH DICKS- ALL THANKS TO YOU,OK TO SEND YOU PIKS OF THE ROOM ? LIKE TO GET IT RIGHT, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK THANKS MIKE. PS 2 MORE SONOS 5 TO GET
Just got this set up for our great room and it’s amazing!! Our room is big though with the fives 12 ft behind the couch and the arc and sub gen 3 12 ft in front of the couch. If our room was smaller I think it would be overkill. Thank you for the review!!
Peter, firstly I want to take the time and thank you for your videos. They are very informative and useful! Just some setup questions: What difference would the position of a pair of Sonos Five have as surround sound speakers (Horizontal compared to Vertical)? What position do you recommend for movies and music? Also, where would the ideal placement be for the Sub Gen3 in this particular setup? Would it be a bad choice to have in underneath the Sonos Arc?
Hi Peter, Love you channel and have been sending friends and others in your direction. This was the best Sonos setup that money could buy at the time you did this video, but things move quickly and now you can add 2 subs with the Sonos five’s. My question is what is better 2 subs and the Sonos ones or 1 sub and the Sonos fives or finally 2 subs and the Sonos fives? Would love to see this comparison. Thanks again 🙏
Thanks for a timely video review for my purchase plans! The Fives would be too big as my rear speakers in my living but glad to know they are incremental better than the Ones. Planning to get a set after my renovation.
Glad it was helpful! And yes, the Fives are going to take up a lot more space than the Ones. The sound is better but not worth the extra space if you have to sacrifice visuals.
Hi Sir , enjoin your content a lot !, I am about to receive my Arc soon (not yet arrived to IL) and wish to add 2 sonos one Sl's to the arc. Position wise , I am very limited and therefoere , they can be placed ONLY at 1 meter above ear level and pointing towards the TV wall. They will be positioned on top of high shelf which unfortunately can not be angled down, so pointing towards the TV wall directly (1 full meter above the ear) will you still recommend buying them? Will they add a dramatically change over the Arc itself (due to the limitations mentioned ), .thanks in advance, .keep on the great job !
Thanks for the video. I have been waiting for this video for a very long time :). Can you please consider making a video where you show your actual sonos setup (arc, sub, fives as rears) instead of placing these on desk in the usual videos and talk about ideal placement for the whole system (instead of just sub which you made a video before). Also if you can show some preferred settings that can be done on this system on top of true play (setting music as full playback, setting rear volume, sub volume etc) to make best use of this $2500 system
Hey...loved your video. And subscribed! Quick question...I have watched more than a handful of sonos videos from you now... and my wife was asking about cost. I was reminded of a spot in one of your videos where you mentioned to keep the cost (how much a setup it) to yourself unless you have an understanding partner (orsomething like that) we both find those comments bratty funny. But I cannot remember which sonos video it came from (from your channel) and ideas on which it was?
I recently moved my Sonos system to S2 app since I connected my arc. Since I’m the primary user on Sonos ,how can my wife add her pandora or music stream services to my system ? Forgot how I did it on S1 app.
I hope you will do a test on the Denon home series. To my untrained ears in a big shop they sounded better then what sonos had on offer. Reason why I chose sonos is because the Denon home line up does not include a sub and soundbar (the older 2019 Heos sub and soundbar versions can be coupled but they look totally different, which at 2500-3000 $ I don't like...)
@@PeterPee thanks! I think Denon is also quite good in supporting older stuff, anyhow even if you stick to Sonos I would still love to see other manufacturers sending multiroom audio products for you to review in your very detailed manner!
No you can't. They will have to be in two separate "rooms". So technically, if you do set them up as separate rooms, you can play to the two of them together.
@@PeterPee Thanks for the quick reply my friend! I dont really understand your answer :( I want all these speakers in one room together 2x fives in the front 1x arc in the front and the sub in the front and the ones in the back i want that the 2x fives, the arc and the 2x ones to create a surround sound
They won’t work together to create surround. Your surround setup with be arc + sub + ones at the rear. The fives will have to be setup separately as stereo pair. Not as part of the surround setup. You can play the surround and stereo setup together though.
Very amazing video 👍👍 I follow all your video, and i heard you change from wired Home Theather to SONOS ecosystem right now. I need your opinion which one should i choose if i just want to enjoy DOLBY ATMOS and get best for the money ? Dolby Atmos using Ultimate SONOS Setup : Sonos Arc + Sub Gen 3 + 2piece Play 5 Or using Amp + KEF : 1. Denon AVR-X1600H 2. KEF Q350 3. KEF Q650c 4. KEF 150 5. KEF Kube 10B In my country their price really close. Please help me to choose, and give me your explaination based on your experience Thank you so much Bro
Hi Peter, thanks for the great video! I have a question for you: would you recommend buying only 2x Sonos 5 as rear speakers to the ARC instead 2x SLs and the Sub? Budgetwise it would be the same. As the Play 5 already have a good bass I am wondering if the Sub is even necessary in the set up with the ARC
Wow... That's a good question. And in fact, you guessed the theme of my next video! I will be releasing this exact video next! Coming out on Wednesday or Thursday! Watch for it!
Awesome review. Only question I have is if the Five can be set up vertically to have one of the angled woofers facing the ceiling thus creating a rear surround up firing speaker?
I placed it in either orientation and to my ears, it didn’t make a difference when watching movies in terms of height perception. I actually would place it horizontally so as to get a wider surround soundscape.
I’m just waiting for the Black Friday sale and then I’m going to pick up the entire system! I’m so excited I can’t wait! Thank you for the information in your video it really helped me come to a decision.
It would be cool if the sonos five as rear surround speakers in there upright position would use it's stereo drivers as one for rear sound and one for above sound. So with the speaker slightly tilted up the bottom drivers would do rear sound, and the topp driver would bounce it's sound off the ceiling for above sound like the arc's upward fireing speakers.
Thanks Peter for your wonderful and informational videos. I stumbled on your video 2 months back while searching for review on Bose 700. Since then I have watched all your videos and so much sold out on this particular video that today I bought the whole set and more. Arc + Sub3+ 2xFive. Also got 2x sonos one. I plan to setup one set for movie watch and couple of speakers on bedroom for relaxation listening. I bought them all together to avoid being in rabbit hole 😁. Got the arc mount in case I need it to mount in future 😜. Thanks for all the information and measurement you show on your videos that helped to decide.
Holy moly... I am glad to be of help in your decision process! And have you set up already? I love it when some tells me that the Arc + Five + Sub combo kills... Because it kills...
@@PeterPee Waiting for the delivery maybe next week. Till then trying to figure out the placement of the Fives behind as couldn't find any mount or stand. As you said it has to be at the level of ears I am currently looking at options. Both corners I have lan points. Any benifit puting all speakers on the lan or one is enough and get Sonos internal network activated.
Thanks! Peter, the clarity and thoroughness of your reports set a gold standard for any other Tech site.I even enjoyed learning about products that I don't even own! I have an installation project whose solution I don't think you have addressed before. It's a 55-in TV on a full motion corner mount with +5 to -10 degree tilt, and Sanus extendable Arc TV mount. I have a 9-ft ceiling, and 32 inch high by 10-ft distance mlp. What height and angle should the arc placement be for best listening? I don't have your trig background, so any advice would help. Again, great work!
Hey Kirk, thanks for showing your appreciation in a tangible way! Sorry if this is late I do have to juggle my full time job as well as this. :) I need one more piece of information from you. How high off the ground is the Sonos Arc now mounted?
Would a Sonos Arc + Fives (no sub) trump an Arc + Ones + Sub for a medium sized apartment room? In music mode the Fives would probably sing better, but how much would I be giving up without the Sub?
I'd say get the Arc + Ones + Sub. The sub is a easy recommendation for Movies. But you are right that Fives will be better for music. So depends on how much you use them for music and how critical are you in the listening.
hi Pete...great review...i am gonna be setting up my SONOS ARC with 2 Gen 3 subs / and the 5's as my rears..what are your thoughts ? room is 14 x 22 ft...ceiling is 8 ft high....and the TV i will be hooking it all to is the Samsung Q90T 85 inch....also where would you suggest i place the 2 subs ? ( on each side of the TV ? or one up front and one at the back of the room)....look forward to your response....thank you and cheers......be safe out there all
I did a video on placement of two subs. And your setup... GOD LEVEL.... I would suggest you try the two subs upfront first. And if you get patchy sub response throughout the listening positions, move one of the subs to back of room, but diagonally across the first sub.
Hello Peter, firstly thanks a lot for your detailed descriptions and test with the Sonos systems. I bought a Sonos Arc and the sub. For movies/films it is impressive especially with Dolby Atmos. Unfortunately the most films have no Dolby Atmos in German. But I am not so happy when I hearing music. I think about to buy two Sonos 5 as rear speakers. But I am not really sure If I can use for music only the two Sonos five in the back? If the systems is configured as a 5.1 system. Thanks for your support.
If you set it up as two rear surround channels, you can't use the Fives purely for music. But you can set it to send full sounds to the rear (fives) and also increase the music volume for surround. This way, it will be much louder and will stand out in the music mix.
Hey Peter, I just got my Sonos arc and set it up with the policies SL's and sub with my Vizio E-75. It seems like I am getting Atmos to the arc from streaming Amazon. With in the Sonos app when I play Jack Ryan it says Atmos DD+. My question is, can it be possible that my vizio e-75 pass thru atmos? I don't think my TV has hdmi 2.1
DD+ is lossy Atmos. And that doesn’t require eArc or hdmi 2.1. It means your tv can pass through bitstream for the arc to process. You are in a good place!
Again, great work. I see very similar questions to what I am about to ask, so I hope I do not upset you in asking it. Can the Sonos Fives give you much of what the Sonos Sub (gen 3) can? What frequencies will be missed? Let us say, two Sonos Fives ($1,100) may equal two Sonos One SL and a Sub (Gen 3) ($950). What will be lost or benefit in that type of pairing?
Just shoot your questions, don't worry. I say that if you are into music, just get the two Fives. That will do very well. A setup with Sonos One and Sub doesn't convey the nuances of music as well. For Movies, the Sub is essential. For music, I prefer the Fives.
I just bought this setup today. I hope it’s not overkill. My open concept living room and kitchen is about 30ft x 16 ft. But the living room area where tv is, is about half of that. The arc will be about 13ft from the sofa and the 5’s about 6 feet to the rear.
I have used SVS and REL before too. While I don’t have them now and thus can’t compare, they are quite different and serve a slightly different market. They are more audiophile grade and their owners usually snub the Sonos and Bose lovers. It’s like no one wants to compare a mercedes CLA AMG to a kia stinger. Even if there is a good chance the stinger is going to smoke the AMG.
I would say that in terms of longevity, the Sonos setup is likely to be updated a lot more frequently and supported for a lot longer. And if you plan to grow the system, it allows for that. The Bose setup would be maxed out from day 1.
Hey Peter I have the Playbar with 2 sonos 5s beside it and 2 sonos ones at the rear accompanied by the sub. If i want more fire power would 2 subs be overkill? Or adding 2 more 5s or swapping the playbar for the arc be the better option?
You can’t really use two subs in one ‘room’. But your setup sounds like you already have two rooms, one for playbar and one for sonos 5s. I’d be honest and say it doesn’t make too much of a difference. In fact it might overpower the room already. The next thing you might want to consider is to replace the ones with the fives. But that’s about the max you can get out of your situation. Replacing the playbar with the arc won’t give you a lot more.
I have the sonos Play:1 is it compatible with sonos arc to be the rear speakers? and what is the difference if I have Sonos SL as the rear speaker compared to Sonos Play:1 as the rear speakers?
Hey Peter, thanks for the interesting upload. I am on the brink of deciding between arc + sub + one SLs or Fives as rear speakers. Would you say you hear an AUDIBLE difference between both setups (one's vs fives) when streaming movies (More immersion and much bigger soundstage)? In other words: is the 5% you mentioned really audible or is there a difference mainly with music? Very much appreciated. Thank you and kind regards
Hey, sorry if this comment is not reaching you in a timely manner. But yes, the difference is an audible difference. And the difference increases when you increases the volume. The Fives will have a lot more headroom.
I would buy the Fives for my living room home theater set up if I could also use them for stereo music play back. Until then, I am sticking with the Ones.
I have the complete setup, I really liked the 5.1 on my Sonos system, the Atmos...I cannot say that I hear the height....still 5.1 for me... Still it sound very good, I have seated at 6,7,8 and 9 feet. Can’t see I heard sound from above... It is a keeper cause I never had any issue of dropout , cut out, issue with wifi...etc.
The stability and usability of the system is a key selling point for sonos. You seldom have to troubleshoot. Just turn it on, and great sound comes out.
You do the best reviews I’ve ever seen. Thank you! I’m considering this setup. By chance have you done a review on the Nakimichi 9.2.4 Ultra? What is your overall best opinion on the systems you’ve tested and best value for money on a good sounding wireless system? Thank you again!
Thanks Ron! I have not tested the Nakimichi 9.2.4 Ultra. The specs sound impressive and the sheer number of channels will make you think you are getting a lot for the money. But I'd say overall, the Sonos will give better value, as they really last very long. In all my years of ownership, I have never had a single hardware failure. And also, even the 9 year old Sonos Play:3 is still being supported and updates rolled out by Sonos! That's longevity.
Thanks for the informative video as always. I’m looking to get a set up of 2 sonos 5s, The Ark and one or two subs. It sounds like from what you’re saying that you would need one subwoofer near the Ark and one subwoofer near the 5s because of the way it automatically sets the crossover. It’s really silly that it makes the crossover so high. I would imagine that having the fives as surrounds gives a more open and clearer response because they are bigger speakers. But that crossover is very irritating. Is there anything you think we could do? Any other settings you could change?
Nothing much you can do for the crossover. Sonos doesn't allow it to be changed. The only time I see they allowed changes is for the Sonos Amp when a third party sub is connected.
Great stuff!! Actually interested in this crossover point. You did a video with arc and sub showing crossover point at about 92 hz. When you add 5s to the mix the crossover point for both arc and 5s raised to 115hz? Wonder what the crossover point was increased to when I added my 1sl's as surrounds instead of your 5's?
Because Sonos doesn’t disclose this, and I don’t have the most accurate of instruments and fixed setup, the crossover point that I am providing is at best an estimate. But I have done so many of these tests, like literally hundreds upon hundreds, I am fairly certain that the crossover point is set very high. I think Sonos really wants us to hear the sub. :) I have a thought at this moment, that Sonos wants to raise the crossover so that the surround channels can be a little more subtle. Or that the surround channels need not carry much bass anyway since most audio mix won’t have much bass in their soundtrack. But at this moment, I can only say this is just a Guess. If I ever get a job at Sonos I will dig all these information out. Only to get fired when I release the info to the public. :)
I would actually prefer it. I like the slam of the Arc when it's paired with a sub. Music wise I'd say it's not there but movies, my go-to system. And not to mention the eco-system and software platform.
Just found your videos, really happy I did. I’m trying to figure out what type of set up to put in my next house which is currently being built. Kicking around the idea of wireless and also considering wiring since the walls will be open.
I believe a house should have lan ports in every room but speaker points might be a bit restrictive. Wireless is the way to go! But make sure your wireless coverage is great!
Everyone need to see this. I've heard so many times thats sonos five is overkill for 5.1 (rear) but its soo much beter than sonos one for the rear speakers
Obviously the five:s are gonna be a lot better than the one:s. If you were to buy one Sonos Five, it would cost you 2x the price of a Sonos One + another $100. And you're gonna have TWO of those to replace two Sonos One:s. Obviously you're gonna get a lot better speakers when you're paying nearly 2.5x the price for just one speaker.
As with all things hifi, there is a difference when you spend more. Just a matter how much better and how much more you spend. After a certain point, the law of diminishing returns kick in and you start getting less incremental benefits with the same amount of extra money.
Sonic performance it's all up there. They are both capable setups in their own right. My vote going to Sonos is a function of their ecosystem and software support over the next many years.
I just found that my amazon echo (newest one) works as a SUBWOOFER if needed. I wonder how that would be combined with the Sonos stereo speakers you demonstrated. I figure its not worth it. Just a thought.
Oh!? You mean it has a subwoofer input? The only Sonos product with a sub woofer Line out now is the Sonos Amp so that’s a big investment to get sub signals out of the Sonos ecosystem.
@@PeterPee Correct, you can pair your amazon echo device with the sonos arc; however I am not sure if it's even worth it at all since the bass in the arc alone is quite good enough.
You can use a Sonos Port as well as an amp. Port being the cheaper option if you don't need the amp. Because in this setup, the Fives' line-in is not active.
Wow. Amazing. I just tried this combination over the past weekend! You can’t put them in the same group. But you can set them up as two separate rooms and play them two together. I did notice a very very tiny minuscule timing issue between the two for some material though.
Hello Peter, amazing work presenting all these options! I recently bought the Arc and I am very pleased with it. Now I want to create the best available 5.1 set up for my living room. What surrounds would you recommend for movies? Also, can you explain more about the lossy and lossless atmos? I would assume the only way to get lossless is by using Blue Ray Disks? Or does it have to do with the capabilities the tv?
The tv needs to be Atmos capable and have an eARC hdmi port. For the ultimate, you should pair a sub gen 2 or 3 and a pair of Sonos fives with the arc. That should give you the best setup available with the Sonos arc.
I have an arc,play5,2play subs and 2 play 1 as the rear. Was this a bad idea? I had to replace my 3 and gen one sub. So I did this with the 5’s and new sub.
@@PeterPee I have all of them as my theater set up in one room. Could I make a better decision? I really love the Sonos but from watching a lot of your videos (which I think are the best!! I have watch my fate share and by far you do a fantastic job from top to bottom!!!) I feel there are things I might have not noticed but for lack of knowledge I don’t know if I’m not getting the most out of this set up.
I have to say that on all of TH-cam this is the definitive Sonos channel, I learn more information on this channel than I do on the actual Sonos website. This man is to be commended for his efforts. if Sonos made a sound boat he would bring us a review video of how the boat fairs not only in rivers and oceans but also in swimming pools ...Because someone will inevitably ask, “will the Sonos soundboat overpower my pool?” ...And of course he would test it saying, “don’t tell my wife but I tested the boat in my the pool, if you don’t wanna watch the video the short answer is yes the boat is too big for a swimming pool, but if you would like to see the results keep watching the video or skip ahead” ...such is the level of this mans dedication. Could you please make a video on ambient rear speaker settings vs full rear speaker and which is better for your one SL’s
Hey! You’re funny and your comment really made my day. And made me laugh out. I shared it with my wife and she’s asking me to copy and paste it out to her friends. Thank you much. I have a video lined up for Sonos surround channel placement and I will be addressing the point on settings for surround.
Peter Pee I will be waiting for the video, in the meantime keep bringing us excellent content, this really is an amazing channel With high-quality videos. This truly is the definitive Sonos channel, they need to sponsor you
Peter Pee For now, but if you keep producing content of this quality that’s bound to change, especially if you get upwards of 100,000 subs. I just got my Sonos system this week, the arc, sub, and two rear SL’s. This is my first surroundsound system ever so I did extensive research before purchasing Because the Samsung Q90r/ q95T and The LGSN11RG are viable competitors for the same price, however after watching many of your videos I realized that next year there’s going to be a new Samsung sound bar, every manufacturer will have a new sound by next year rendering the previous models obsolete, but Sonos supports their products for many years with firmware updates that I can depend on. I’ve never owned Sonos anything so I watched a ton of your videos and purchased the entire system but I was debating on getting the sub, however you did so many extensive videos on it that I invest and I have to say...for me ...it’s my favorite part of the entire system. I absolutely love the sub, it’s mine boggling how it produces so much base without any rumble. Now I’m just more so interested in Ambien versus rear setting on the Sonos app, it’s a very obscure topic online ... and I love your channel because things that you try to Google and can’t find you actually address. Your videos from Singapore directly impacted me spending US$2000 in Washington DC on this product...so The content you create actually affected another persons life, in real time, in a tangible way...that money came out of my bank account Because of the information you gave on this channel, so what you do absolutely matters and is appreciated and does affect lives Around the world
I no longer have my playbar so I won’t be able to test that. But they do work together on the S2 platform. Sonos did bring the Playbar along with the S2 platform.
I have an arc, sub gen 2 and 2 play 3’s for rears and it’s fantastic - I would totally have Sonos 5’s for rears - I genuinely don’t think it’s overkill as you could always reduce the volume in the rears anyway if you felt the rear were too loud.
It won’t be too loud, but the presence and overall volume and performance of the whole system will get elevated. It’s just damn expensive to get there.
Dave Gomes yes you can in the surround settings you can adjust the TV volume abs music volume. I always have mine sitting at level 8 for rears in TV and up to max for music - as Peter Pee said
Without a doubt 5’s/Fives make a significant difference in listening experience for music. But you have to play with the app settings for your room EQ and surround 5’s/Fives to be able to get a good sound for music playback. You might also prefer listening to music with Autotune turned off. It’s all about your own preferences, combined with the acoustics in your own listening space. But rule no1 in this config is to switch surround speakers to full music playback because they default to “ambient” which is useless for music playback. Enjoy!
Thank you for another great video Peter. I have recently bought the Arc, Sub (Gen 3) and 2 x One. I prefer the sound from the Arc by itself, rather than with the Sub or Ones. I wish Sonos would allow the crossover to be adjusted.
Amit Lesly I am still undecided if the Ones are a “game changer” / worth it. My initial impression is that the Arc sounds too hollow when I had the Ones and the Sub connected, though that may be the Sub’s fault. I also think the placement of the Ones is very important and in my room they are too close to my seating position to work effectively (I have them on stands within arms reach either side of the seating). At the moment I am enjoying using the Arc by itself and getting used to that, I will connect the Ones and the Sub separately in the coming days and do some more experimenting with placement.
Thanks for the prompt respond, if I may another one. .. are the sonos one's worth as music speakers compared to I.e. JBL flip 5 (I do know the diff etc, having 4 of the flips 5 ) but never experienced the Sonos one's
Amit Lesly I’ve never heard the JBL’s, but I do enjoy the Ones for music, especially as a pair. Nice stereo imaging and dynamics. Of course the Sub adds another dimension in bass, but the One’s alone produce some good bass for their size.
I agree with the comment about the arc sounding a bit hollow on its own. For me the sub and the ones are essential. The best investment I've made in a while!
Wouter Samaey For sound quality, most probably. But for ease of setup and operation and lack of cabling, the Sonos is hard to beat. It just depends on what your priorities are in an A.V. system.
I am planning to set up a sonos system in my bedroom. I am sure I want the sonos arc but i am not sure if the sonos fives are too big for my room. Would you recommend them in a relatively small room to place them as surround speakers or should i place them besides the sonos arc in front of the tv?
i love this set up... i watched black panther on this last night in dolby atmos
Oh no this hits different
Peter, great job on the Sonos videos. Now that dual subs are possible, could you compare this "ultimate" setup against the Arc + Sub x2 + OneSL surrounds? This seems fair since the price point is the same......
You are the god at this. can;t wait til you're famous. don't forget about us!
I am actually happy where I am now. Of course I would love to have a bigger channel, bigger following and be able to use this channel as a reasonable source of income but right now, I am happy producing the videos and so Glad that I am able to help people around the world appreciate wireless audio!
For those who want it all:
Arc+sub3+one surround; used for film/TV viewing.
2 x Fives placed in front, either side of the arc; used when playing music.
Thats when you know you are ‘all in’ into Sonos.
Your content is amazing! Perfect timing now that JimsReviewRoom discontinued his channel. He left with 1 million subscribers! Keep up the great work and you’ll be there in no time!
His work is truly amazing and I have drawn several inspirations from him too. The goal of getting to where he is sounds.... big. And it looks really small from where I am now because it's so far away! :) Thanks for the encouragement!
ps : I hope I can make you spend as much money as he can! :P
I think the Sonos 5 as surrounds might have more of an advantage iPod the space between the surrounds in a wide spread room arrangement would yield more tangible subjective performance advantages over the much smaller Sonos 1. I get a lot of sharp, pinpoint directionality from the Sonos ones, (more so from he right side). I cannot help but wonder how much more fuller the atmos effect could be with the Sonos 5 as it pertains to offering much bigger sound stage at similar volumes that I set my Sonos 1. I am of the belief that the broader spread of sound emanating from two Sonos 5s will offer a much more subtle but more importantly convincing immersion into the Atmos sound field than Sonos 1s are capable of. The smallness of the Ones in an Arc/2 Sub Gen 3 set up is too noticeable
I'm thinking the same. The sound stage has to be better. And that is the point, not necessarily louder but more immersion...you cannot tell me a 1sl is the same as a 5 I'm sound quality
Excellent channel dude keep pushing you're going to break 100k subs in no time.
Hope so! But I think that’s a long way off. :)
I use the symfonisk as rears they are more than adequate. And you can pick up a cheap older gen sub second hand.
The only important thing you need really is the ARC.
Yes. That’s the brain of the whole setup!
hi peter black friday sale, buying -2-SUB-GEN 3 SONOS 1X2, SONOS 5 X 2 SONOS ARC, DELIVER 2-12-20, LIKE A DOG WITH DICKS- ALL THANKS TO YOU,OK TO SEND YOU PIKS OF THE ROOM ? LIKE TO GET IT RIGHT, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK THANKS MIKE. PS 2 MORE SONOS 5 TO GET
Curious if it’s better to get the fives or second sub. 🤔
I’d like to see the comparison with this setup and the one with a pair of SLs.
Just got this set up for our great room and it’s amazing!! Our room is big though with the fives 12 ft behind the couch and the arc and sub gen 3 12 ft in front of the couch. If our room was smaller I think it would be overkill. Thank you for the review!!
Peter, firstly I want to take the time and thank you for your videos. They are very informative and useful! Just some setup questions: What difference would the position of a pair of Sonos Five have as surround sound speakers (Horizontal compared to Vertical)? What position do you recommend for movies and music? Also, where would the ideal placement be for the Sub Gen3 in this particular setup? Would it be a bad choice to have in underneath the Sonos Arc?
Beyond excellent, Thank you for the video
Hi Peter, Love you channel and have been sending friends and others in your direction. This was the best Sonos setup that money could buy at the time you did this video, but things move quickly and now you can add 2 subs with the Sonos five’s. My question is what is better 2 subs and the Sonos ones or 1 sub and the Sonos fives or finally 2 subs and the Sonos fives? Would love to see this comparison. Thanks again 🙏
Awesome, thank you! I will be testing that this weekend!
Thanks for a timely video review for my purchase plans! The Fives would be too big as my rear speakers in my living but glad to know they are incremental better than the Ones. Planning to get a set after my renovation.
Glad it was helpful! And yes, the Fives are going to take up a lot more space than the Ones. The sound is better but not worth the extra space if you have to sacrifice visuals.
Hi Sir , enjoin your content a lot !, I am about to receive my Arc soon (not yet arrived to IL) and wish to add 2 sonos one Sl's to the arc.
Position wise , I am very limited and therefoere , they can be placed ONLY at 1 meter above ear level and pointing towards the TV wall. They will be positioned on top of high shelf which unfortunately can not be angled down, so pointing towards the TV wall directly (1 full meter above the ear)
will you still recommend buying them? Will they add a dramatically change over the Arc itself (due to the limitations mentioned ), .thanks in advance, .keep on the great job !
The placement of the surrounds aren’t as important. You’ll still find that they add a lot to your movies’ soundtrack immersion. Get them!
Thanks for the video. I have been waiting for this video for a very long time :). Can you please consider making a video where you show your actual sonos setup (arc, sub, fives as rears) instead of placing these on desk in the usual videos and talk about ideal placement for the whole system (instead of just sub which you made a video before). Also if you can show some preferred settings that can be done on this system on top of true play (setting music as full playback, setting rear volume, sub volume etc) to make best use of this $2500 system
Cool! I just responded to another comment that I’ll be doing a surround placement and setting video. I just need to find time to film!
Any idea when ARC update coming for Lpcm, should be soon
No idea... hoping it to be sooner rather than later!
First comment, but only second to TU!
Thumbs up first, watch later ;) Thanks Peter!
Thank you for your support always!
Arc + Sonos Five surrounds .. am loving the setup! I don’t feel a need for the sub .. Thank you Peter!
Cool. I love that setup too. It’s really quite potent on its own.
Hey...loved your video. And subscribed! Quick question...I have watched more than a handful of sonos videos from you now... and my wife was asking about cost. I was reminded of a spot in one of your videos where you mentioned to keep the cost (how much a setup it) to yourself unless you have an understanding partner (orsomething like that) we both find those comments bratty funny. But I cannot remember which sonos video it came from (from your channel) and ideas on which it was?
Thanks for another informative video. I’d like to see that frequency response graph though, especially when adding the sub to the arc.
I have a video coming up and you can see that!
Stay tuned!
Can i use playbase still with 2 play fives?and 2 subs? Or do i need arc
With the playable you can already have 2 FIVES and you can also have 2 subs. No need for the arc.
Thanks peter
I recently moved my Sonos system to S2 app since I connected my arc. Since I’m the primary user on Sonos ,how can my wife add her pandora or music stream services to my system ? Forgot how I did it on S1 app.
Go to settings, services and voice, and then add a service.
I hope you will do a test on the Denon home series. To my untrained ears in a big shop they sounded better then what sonos had on offer. Reason why I chose sonos is because the Denon home line up does not include a sub and soundbar (the older 2019 Heos sub and soundbar versions can be coupled but they look totally different, which at 2500-3000 $ I don't like...)
Beyond the sound, you have to consider that Sonos is going to be supporting your gear for much much longer than almost every other brand out there.
@@PeterPee thanks!
I think Denon is also quite good in supporting older stuff, anyhow even if you stick to Sonos I would still love to see other manufacturers sending multiroom audio products for you to review in your very detailed manner!
Can i add two sonos one to that setup?
i would like to have 1 arc, 2 fives and one sub in the front
and 2 ones at my back for surround
No you can't. They will have to be in two separate "rooms". So technically, if you do set them up as separate rooms, you can play to the two of them together.
@@PeterPee Thanks for the quick reply my friend!
I dont really understand your answer :(
I want all these speakers in one room together 2x fives in the front 1x arc in the front and the sub in the front and the ones in the back
i want that the 2x fives, the arc and the 2x ones to create a surround sound
They won’t work together to create surround. Your surround setup with be arc + sub + ones at the rear. The fives will have to be setup separately as stereo pair. Not as part of the surround setup. You can play the surround and stereo setup together though.
Very amazing video 👍👍
I follow all your video, and i heard you change from wired Home Theather to SONOS ecosystem right now.
I need your opinion which one should i choose if i just want to enjoy DOLBY ATMOS and get best for the money ?
Dolby Atmos using Ultimate SONOS Setup :
Sonos Arc + Sub Gen 3 + 2piece Play 5
Or using Amp + KEF :
1. Denon AVR-X1600H
2. KEF Q350
3. KEF Q650c
4. KEF 150
5. KEF Kube 10B
In my country their price really close.
Please help me to choose, and give me your explaination based on your experience
Thank you so much Bro
Hi Peter, thanks for the great video!
I have a question for you: would you recommend buying only 2x Sonos 5 as rear speakers to the ARC instead 2x SLs and the Sub? Budgetwise it would be the same. As the Play 5 already have a good bass I am wondering if the Sub is even necessary in the set up with the ARC
Wow... That's a good question. And in fact, you guessed the theme of my next video! I will be releasing this exact video next! Coming out on Wednesday or Thursday! Watch for it!
I am still doing final testing and I can only do it at night during the weekday. You'll find some answers there!
Peter Pee awesome 😍 Thank you Peter.
Peter Pee I am looking forward to it.
Awesome review. Only question I have is if the Five can be set up vertically to have one of the angled woofers facing the ceiling thus creating a rear surround up firing speaker?
I placed it in either orientation and to my ears, it didn’t make a difference when watching movies in terms of height perception. I actually would place it horizontally so as to get a wider surround soundscape.
I’m just waiting for the Black Friday sale and then I’m going to pick up the entire system! I’m so excited I can’t wait! Thank you for the information in your video it really helped me come to a decision.
You’re welcomed and I’m happy to have been of help!
What makes you so sure there will be a sale?
DatLat they’ve done one each year for the last 2. I’ve been watching for a while looking to get into the Sonos ecosystem and saving up. 😊
Good job! When it finally comes, you won’t be disappointed!
Peter Pee thank you for all the help and advice! I appreciate it so much!
It would be cool if the sonos five as rear surround speakers in there upright position would use it's stereo drivers as one for rear sound and one for above sound. So with the speaker slightly tilted up the bottom drivers would do rear sound, and the topp driver would bounce it's sound off the ceiling for above sound like the arc's upward fireing speakers.
Thanks Peter for your wonderful and informational videos. I stumbled on your video 2 months back while searching for review on Bose 700. Since then I have watched all your videos and so much sold out on this particular video that today I bought the whole set and more. Arc + Sub3+ 2xFive. Also got 2x sonos one. I plan to setup one set for movie watch and couple of speakers on bedroom for relaxation listening. I bought them all together to avoid being in rabbit hole 😁. Got the arc mount in case I need it to mount in future 😜.
Thanks for all the information and measurement you show on your videos that helped to decide.
Holy moly... I am glad to be of help in your decision process! And have you set up already? I love it when some tells me that the Arc + Five + Sub combo kills... Because it kills...
@@PeterPee Waiting for the delivery maybe next week. Till then trying to figure out the placement of the Fives behind as couldn't find any mount or stand. As you said it has to be at the level of ears I am currently looking at options. Both corners I have lan points. Any benifit puting all speakers on the lan or one is enough and get Sonos internal network activated.
Money is no object, I’ll take the best of the best. Sonos is the best all around.
Yeah, if money is no object, then there is a solution to everything. :) And Sonos is a good solution!
You had me at 1:49 thank you Peter !
Would it be an overkill to get the 2 sonos 5s for a 11×11 bedroom or is it for bigger spaces? Already own sonos arc and sub gen 3
Another interesting and informative video. Thanks!
Thanks! Peter, the clarity and thoroughness of your reports set a gold standard for any other Tech site.I even enjoyed learning about products that I don't even own! I have an installation project whose solution I don't think you have addressed before. It's a 55-in TV on a full motion corner mount with +5 to -10 degree tilt, and Sanus extendable Arc TV mount. I have a 9-ft ceiling, and 32 inch high by 10-ft distance mlp. What height and angle should the arc placement be for best listening? I don't have your trig background, so any advice would help. Again, great work!
Hey Kirk, thanks for showing your appreciation in a tangible way! Sorry if this is late I do have to juggle my full time job as well as this. :)
I need one more piece of information from you. How high off the ground is the Sonos Arc now mounted?
Would a Sonos Arc + Fives (no sub) trump an Arc + Ones + Sub for a medium sized apartment room? In music mode the Fives would probably sing better, but how much would I be giving up without the Sub?
I'd say get the Arc + Ones + Sub. The sub is a easy recommendation for Movies. But you are right that Fives will be better for music. So depends on how much you use them for music and how critical are you in the listening.
hi Pete...great review...i am gonna be setting up my SONOS ARC with 2 Gen 3 subs / and the 5's as my rears..what are your thoughts ? room is 14 x 22 ft...ceiling is 8 ft high....and the TV i will be hooking it all to is the Samsung Q90T 85 inch....also where would you suggest i place the 2 subs ? ( on each side of the TV ? or one up front and one at the back of the room)....look forward to your response....thank you and cheers......be safe out there all
I did a video on placement of two subs. And your setup... GOD LEVEL.... I would suggest you try the two subs upfront first. And if you get patchy sub response throughout the listening positions, move one of the subs to back of room, but diagonally across the first sub.
Hello Peter,
firstly thanks a lot for your detailed descriptions and test with the Sonos systems.
I bought a Sonos Arc and the sub. For movies/films it is impressive especially with Dolby Atmos.
Unfortunately the most films have no Dolby Atmos in German.
But I am not so happy when I hearing music. I think about to buy two Sonos 5 as rear speakers. But I am not really sure If I can use for music only the two Sonos five in the back? If the systems is configured as a 5.1 system.
Thanks for your support.
If you set it up as two rear surround channels, you can't use the Fives purely for music. But you can set it to send full sounds to the rear (fives) and also increase the music volume for surround. This way, it will be much louder and will stand out in the music mix.
Hey Peter, I just got my Sonos arc and set it up with the policies SL's and sub with my Vizio E-75. It seems like I am getting Atmos to the arc from streaming Amazon. With in the Sonos app when I play Jack Ryan it says Atmos DD+. My question is, can it be possible that my vizio e-75 pass thru atmos? I don't think my TV has hdmi 2.1
DD+ is lossy Atmos. And that doesn’t require eArc or hdmi 2.1. It means your tv can pass through bitstream for the arc to process. You are in a good place!
Again, great work. I see very similar questions to what I am about to ask, so I hope I do not upset you in asking it. Can the Sonos Fives give you much of what the Sonos Sub (gen 3) can? What frequencies will be missed? Let us say, two Sonos Fives ($1,100) may equal two Sonos One SL and a Sub (Gen 3) ($950). What will be lost or benefit in that type of pairing?
Just shoot your questions, don't worry. I say that if you are into music, just get the two Fives. That will do very well. A setup with Sonos One and Sub doesn't convey the nuances of music as well. For Movies, the Sub is essential. For music, I prefer the Fives.
Exelente canal y contenidos saludos desde Argentina.
Hello from singapore! Thanks for the kind comments!
Would you rather have the arc, one SLs and two subs or the arc, one sub and the fives. Do you have a preference. Thanks,
Arc, one SL with two subs. Subs are important. The fives yes it will lend weight scale and loudness but it will not hit the bottoms with the bass.
I just bought this setup today. I hope it’s not overkill. My open concept living room and kitchen is about 30ft x 16 ft. But the living room area where tv is, is about half of that.
The arc will be about 13ft from the sofa and the 5’s about 6 feet to the rear.
Not at all. In your particular case, this setup is well matched according to the size of the room.
why doesn't anyone compare other subs against this sub....SVS, REEL etc....
I have used SVS and REL before too. While I don’t have them now and thus can’t compare, they are quite different and serve a slightly different market. They are more audiophile grade and their owners usually snub the Sonos and Bose lovers. It’s like no one wants to compare a mercedes CLA AMG to a kia stinger. Even if there is a good chance the stinger is going to smoke the AMG.
How does the sonos arc, sub and 2x ones compare with Bose 700, Sub and rears? Would love to hear your thoughts. Great videos BTW.
I would say that in terms of longevity, the Sonos setup is likely to be updated a lot more frequently and supported for a lot longer. And if you plan to grow the system, it allows for that. The Bose setup would be maxed out from day 1.
Superb review, bravo, great work, thank you for your efforts
Thank you for your support Robert!
Hey Peter I have the Playbar with 2 sonos 5s beside it and 2 sonos ones at the rear accompanied by the sub. If i want more fire power would 2 subs be overkill? Or adding 2 more 5s or swapping the playbar for the arc be the better option?
You can’t really use two subs in one ‘room’. But your setup sounds like you already have two rooms, one for playbar and one for sonos 5s. I’d be honest and say it doesn’t make too much of a difference. In fact it might overpower the room already.
The next thing you might want to consider is to replace the ones with the fives. But that’s about the max you can get out of your situation.
Replacing the playbar with the arc won’t give you a lot more.
I have the sonos Play:1 is it compatible with sonos arc to be the rear speakers? and what is the difference if I have Sonos SL as the rear speaker compared to Sonos Play:1 as the rear speakers?
Yes, the play:1 is compatible. I am still using the Play:1s as surround rear speakers. The Sonos One SL makes little difference.
Can you remove the link to another video and your pic from the video, can’t see the 1 and 5.
Time to update for dual-wielding subs!
Hey Peter, thanks for the interesting upload. I am on the brink of deciding between arc + sub + one SLs or Fives as rear speakers.
Would you say you hear an AUDIBLE difference between both setups (one's vs fives) when streaming movies (More immersion and much bigger soundstage)?
In other words: is the 5% you mentioned really audible or is there a difference mainly with music?
Very much appreciated.
Thank you and kind regards
Hey, sorry if this comment is not reaching you in a timely manner. But yes, the difference is an audible difference. And the difference increases when you increases the volume. The Fives will have a lot more headroom.
I would buy the Fives for my living room home theater set up if I could also use them for stereo music play back. Until then, I am sticking with the Ones.
Not unreasonable line of reasoning.
I have the complete setup, I really liked the 5.1 on my Sonos system, the Atmos...I cannot say that I hear the height....still 5.1 for me...
Still it sound very good, I have seated at 6,7,8 and 9 feet. Can’t see I heard sound from above...
It is a keeper cause I never had any issue of dropout , cut out, issue with wifi...etc.
The stability and usability of the system is a key selling point for sonos. You seldom have to troubleshoot. Just turn it on, and great sound comes out.
You do the best reviews I’ve ever seen. Thank you! I’m considering this setup. By chance have you done a review on the Nakimichi 9.2.4 Ultra? What is your overall best opinion on the systems you’ve tested and best value for money on a good sounding wireless system? Thank you again!
Thanks Ron! I have not tested the Nakimichi 9.2.4 Ultra. The specs sound impressive and the sheer number of channels will make you think you are getting a lot for the money.
But I'd say overall, the Sonos will give better value, as they really last very long. In all my years of ownership, I have never had a single hardware failure. And also, even the 9 year old Sonos Play:3 is still being supported and updates rolled out by Sonos! That's longevity.
Excellent, detailed video as usual Peter, well done!
Thanks Raj!
Thanks for the informative video as always. I’m looking to get a set up of 2 sonos 5s, The Ark and one or two subs. It sounds like from what you’re saying that you would need one subwoofer near the Ark and one subwoofer near the 5s because of the way it automatically sets the crossover. It’s really silly that it makes the crossover so high. I would imagine that having the fives as surrounds gives a more open and clearer response because they are bigger speakers. But that crossover is very irritating. Is there anything you think we could do? Any other settings you could change?
Nothing much you can do for the crossover. Sonos doesn't allow it to be changed. The only time I see they allowed changes is for the Sonos Amp when a third party sub is connected.
Wow great video boss! I almost went to Adelphi just to buy the ones. lol
Did you cover the best way to set this up for music as well as movies
Great stuff!! Actually interested in this crossover point. You did a video with arc and sub showing crossover point at about 92 hz. When you add 5s to the mix the crossover point for both arc and 5s raised to 115hz? Wonder what the crossover point was increased to when I added my 1sl's as surrounds instead of your 5's?
Because Sonos doesn’t disclose this, and I don’t have the most accurate of instruments and fixed setup, the crossover point that I am providing is at best an estimate. But I have done so many of these tests, like literally hundreds upon hundreds, I am fairly certain that the crossover point is set very high. I think Sonos really wants us to hear the sub. :) I have a thought at this moment, that Sonos wants to raise the crossover so that the surround channels can be a little more subtle. Or that the surround channels need not carry much bass anyway since most audio mix won’t have much bass in their soundtrack. But at this moment, I can only say this is just a Guess. If I ever get a job at Sonos I will dig all these information out. Only to get fired when I release the info to the public. :)
How does the 1900$ system compare to the Sennheiser Ambeo sound bar?
I would actually prefer it. I like the slam of the Arc when it's paired with a sub. Music wise I'd say it's not there but movies, my go-to system. And not to mention the eco-system and software platform.
Just found your videos, really happy I did. I’m trying to figure out what type of set up to put in my next house which is currently being built. Kicking around the idea of wireless and also considering wiring since the walls will be open.
I believe a house should have lan ports in every room but speaker points might be a bit restrictive. Wireless is the way to go! But make sure your wireless coverage is great!
Everyone need to see this. I've heard so many times thats sonos five is overkill for 5.1 (rear) but its soo much beter than sonos one for the rear speakers
Obviously the five:s are gonna be a lot better than the one:s. If you were to buy one Sonos Five, it would cost you 2x the price of a Sonos One + another $100. And you're gonna have TWO of those to replace two Sonos One:s. Obviously you're gonna get a lot better speakers when you're paying nearly 2.5x the price for just one speaker.
As with all things hifi, there is a difference when you spend more. Just a matter how much better and how much more you spend. After a certain point, the law of diminishing returns kick in and you start getting less incremental benefits with the same amount of extra money.
I wonder how this setup would compete with the Nakamichi 9.2.4 setup
Sonic performance it's all up there. They are both capable setups in their own right. My vote going to Sonos is a function of their ecosystem and software support over the next many years.
Can I pair a Xiaomi or a TCL TV with Sonos Arc Dolby Atmos function?
Some tcl tv can support. If it has Atmos listed then yes.
Xiaomi tv I am not sure at all. Literature is thin on those panels.
I just found that my amazon echo (newest one) works as a SUBWOOFER if needed. I wonder how that would be combined with the Sonos stereo speakers you demonstrated. I figure its not worth it. Just a thought.
Oh!? You mean it has a subwoofer input? The only Sonos product with a sub woofer Line out now is the Sonos Amp so that’s a big investment to get sub signals out of the Sonos ecosystem.
@@PeterPee Correct, you can pair your amazon echo device with the sonos arc; however I am not sure if it's even worth it at all since the bass in the arc alone is quite good enough.
omg are you singaporean?? hahaha
Yes, I am Singaporean! KTVs aside, proud to be one.
Can the sonos move be used as a rear speaker? Can it be paired with a sonos 1 to create surround sound rears?
No, Move can't be used as rear speakers and they can't be paired with Sonos Ones too.
Hello Peter ! If I want to connect a turntable in this setup, do I have to go through sonos amp?
You can use a Sonos Port as well as an amp. Port being the cheaper option if you don't need the amp. Because in this setup, the Fives' line-in is not active.
Amazing video like always!
Thank you for showing appreciation!
Dear Peter i love this video but I wonder if an extra pair of 5's for front left and right makes it even better, or isn't that possible with the ARC?
Wow. Amazing. I just tried this combination over the past weekend! You can’t put them in the same group. But you can set them up as two separate rooms and play them two together. I did notice a very very tiny minuscule timing issue between the two for some material though.
@@PeterPee thanks for your answer, that could become my setup. music is more important to me than film.
If music is important the fives will do fantastically.
If I also use the 5.1.2 set up to listen music, then will Sonos Five pair make a difference than the Sonos One pair? Thanks.
Never mind, just saw your answer below, sorry, should have checked first.
No worries!
Hello Peter, amazing work presenting all these options! I recently bought the Arc and I am very pleased with it. Now I want to create the best available 5.1 set up for my living room. What surrounds would you recommend for movies?
Also, can you explain more about the lossy and lossless atmos? I would assume the only way to get lossless is by using Blue Ray Disks? Or does it have to do with the capabilities the tv?
The tv needs to be Atmos capable and have an eARC hdmi port.
For the ultimate, you should pair a sub gen 2 or 3 and a pair of Sonos fives with the arc. That should give you the best setup available with the Sonos arc.
@@PeterPee thanks man!
I have an arc,play5,2play subs and 2 play 1 as the rear. Was this a bad idea? I had to replace my 3 and gen one sub. So I did this with the 5’s and new sub.
This a great setup but they are in separate 'rooms' right? Because you can setup all the speakers listed into one setup.
@@PeterPee I have all of them as my theater set up in one room. Could I make a better decision? I really love the Sonos but from watching a lot of your videos (which I think are the best!! I have watch my fate share and by far you do a fantastic job from top to bottom!!!) I feel there are things I might have not noticed but for lack of knowledge I don’t know if I’m not getting the most out of this set up.
@@PeterPee I do have 2 of all the speakers obviously except the Arc.
I cant find anywhere where it says you can use 5s on gen3 arc for home theater
You found it here on my channel. :) Can la.
Thank You
can i know if this is worth an upgrade if i already have the playbar?
Well... If your TV has eARC and supports Atmos, absolutely yes. If not, less critical.
Helping people have full knowledge
Very Good Videos Thank you Flor That from Germany
Glad you like them! And my son is in love with Germany....
I have to say that on all of TH-cam this is the definitive Sonos channel, I learn more information on this channel than I do on the actual Sonos website. This man is to be commended for his efforts. if Sonos made a sound boat he would bring us a review video of how the boat fairs not only in rivers and oceans but also in swimming pools ...Because someone will inevitably ask, “will the Sonos soundboat overpower my pool?” ...And of course he would test it saying, “don’t tell my wife but I tested the boat in my the pool, if you don’t wanna watch the video the short answer is yes the boat is too big for a swimming pool, but if you would like to see the results keep watching the video or skip ahead” ...such is the level of this mans dedication. Could you please make a video on ambient rear speaker settings vs full rear speaker and which is better for your one SL’s
Hey! You’re funny and your comment really made my day. And made me laugh out. I shared it with my wife and she’s asking me to copy and paste it out to her friends.
Thank you much. I have a video lined up for Sonos surround channel placement and I will be addressing the point on settings for surround.
Peter Pee I will be waiting for the video, in the meantime keep bringing us excellent content, this really is an amazing channel With high-quality videos. This truly is the definitive Sonos channel, they need to sponsor you
My channel is too small for them to pay attention. :)
Peter Pee For now, but if you keep producing content of this quality that’s bound to change, especially if you get upwards of 100,000 subs. I just got my Sonos system this week, the arc, sub, and two rear SL’s. This is my first surroundsound system ever so I did extensive research before purchasing Because the Samsung Q90r/ q95T and The LGSN11RG are viable competitors for the same price, however after watching many of your videos I realized that next year there’s going to be a new Samsung sound bar, every manufacturer will have a new sound by next year rendering the previous models obsolete, but Sonos supports their products for many years with firmware updates that I can depend on. I’ve never owned Sonos anything so I watched a ton of your videos and purchased the entire system but I was debating on getting the sub, however you did so many extensive videos on it that I invest and I have to say...for me ...it’s my favorite part of the entire system. I absolutely love the sub, it’s mine boggling how it produces so much base without any rumble. Now I’m just more so interested in Ambien versus rear setting on the Sonos app, it’s a very obscure topic online ... and I love your channel because things that you try to Google and can’t find you actually address. Your videos from Singapore directly impacted me spending US$2000 in Washington DC on this product...so The content you create actually affected another persons life, in real time, in a tangible way...that money came out of my bank account Because of the information you gave on this channel, so what you do absolutely matters and is appreciated and does affect lives Around the world
Thank you Dolby Atmos! 👍
Now u can do 2 subs
What about using the 3’s with the ARC abs the Sub 3
Actually, that was the configuration I was on for a while. As opposed to using the Ones, the overall volume levels are much higher.
peter how about playbar + sub gen3?
I no longer have my playbar so I won’t be able to test that. But they do work together on the S2 platform. Sonos did bring the Playbar along with the S2 platform.
I have an arc, sub gen 2 and 2 play 3’s for rears and it’s fantastic - I would totally have Sonos 5’s for rears - I genuinely don’t think it’s overkill as you could always reduce the volume in the rears anyway if you felt the rear were too loud.
It won’t be too loud, but the presence and overall volume and performance of the whole system will get elevated. It’s just damn expensive to get there.
Wenham Fitness PT do you know if you can change the volume on the P3’s as rears in the app?
The Play:3? Yes, you can adjust the volume of rear channels in the app. For music as well as for tv/movies, independently.
Dave Gomes yes you can in the surround settings you can adjust the TV volume abs music volume. I always have mine sitting at level 8 for rears in TV and up to max for music - as Peter Pee said
Wenham Fitness PT ok great thanks for that
What is the recommended hdmi cable?
I just use the original cable provided by Sonos. If not, I’d recommend elecom which are orange certified. The ones with the orange sticker.
Do the 5s make a big difference when using the system for music (which I would be doing)??
Absolutely yes
In fact, more of a difference for music than for movies!
Without a doubt 5’s/Fives make a significant difference in listening experience for music. But you have to play with the app settings for your room EQ and surround 5’s/Fives to be able to get a good sound for music playback. You might also prefer listening to music with Autotune turned off. It’s all about your own preferences, combined with the acoustics in your own listening space. But rule no1 in this config is to switch surround speakers to full music playback because they default to “ambient” which is useless for music playback. Enjoy!
@@PeterPee Excellent news. Have you listened to the Harmon Kardon citation bar in a 5.1 setup. I would be interested in how they compare.
@@djt6546 thanks mate.
Thank you for another great video Peter. I have recently bought the Arc, Sub (Gen 3) and 2 x One. I prefer the sound from the Arc by itself, rather than with the Sub or Ones. I wish Sonos would allow the crossover to be adjusted.
Hi, can you comment if you see a point of adding 2 sonos one SL's to a NON sub setup as ''game changer''?
Amit Lesly I am still undecided if the Ones are a “game changer” / worth it. My initial impression is that the Arc sounds too hollow when I had the Ones and the Sub connected, though that may be the Sub’s fault. I also think the placement of the Ones is very important and in my room they are too close to my seating position to work effectively (I have them on stands within arms reach either side of the seating). At the moment I am enjoying using the Arc by itself and getting used to that, I will connect the Ones and the Sub separately in the coming days and do some more experimenting with placement.
Thanks for the prompt respond, if I may another one. .. are the sonos one's worth as music speakers compared to I.e. JBL flip 5 (I do know the diff etc, having 4 of the flips 5 ) but never experienced the Sonos one's
Amit Lesly I’ve never heard the JBL’s, but I do enjoy the Ones for music, especially as a pair. Nice stereo imaging and dynamics. Of course the Sub adds another dimension in bass, but the One’s alone produce some good bass for their size.
I agree with the comment about the arc sounding a bit hollow on its own. For me the sub and the ones are essential. The best investment I've made in a while!
Using the Fives as rears seems like a colossal waste of money!
Haha... Yes, it is indeed a little expensive. There is an incremental performance improvement but costs wise not very ... wise.
@@PeterPee Would you ever consider comparing the Sonos products to their competitors? For example, compare the Fives against a Google Home Max?
Google home max is close competitor in terms of size. But sonic performance wise, the bluesound pulse 2i would be closest.
At this price point, there must be better alternatives, right?
Wouter Samaey For sound quality, most probably. But for ease of setup and operation and lack of cabling, the Sonos is hard to beat. It just depends on what your priorities are in an A.V. system.
Yes I agree. There are always options. I have given up on wired systems as they are too messy.
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That’s my set up now and loving it
And did you try music on it? It's bliss.
@@PeterPee it sounds amazing 👍🏽👍🏽
Another great video Peter -
Thanks again!
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I am planning to set up a sonos system in my bedroom. I am sure I want the sonos arc but i am not sure if the sonos fives are too big for my room. Would you recommend them in a relatively small room to place them as surround speakers or should i place them besides the sonos arc in front of the tv?
I'd recommend the Sonos Ones as the surrounds in your bedroom. The Sonos Fives will be too much of an overkill..