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Ducati XDiavel Forum: Belt Guard Problem Thread:
www.diavel-forum.com/index.php?/topic/78282-rock-stuck-on-drive-belt/
CycleCruza I would just sell it and get a Kawasaki Vulcan s with abs and use the rest of the money from the Ducati cell to hook the Kawasaki Vulcan s up you got enough money to supercharge it damn near if you sell the Ducati
will probably add a supermoto
Damn right, Yamaha Vmax all the way.
Bro this list is too long to include twice. You already have it in the info section.
Also, shoulda bought a Harley lol. Hope you get things sorted with the Ducati.
Cyclecruza “Ducatis are unreliable, I will never buy one.
Buys one.
“Oh my god, it is unreliable.”
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I am not bitching. You are a human being and entitled to change your mind. Your honesty about such things is one reason your channel is so entertaining. I appreciate your openness and willingness to try new things.
How is a belt wearing unreliable!! .??
Oklahoma Hank he tried to give it another shot or a chance. Clearly it did not go well. This is why Chain is better and why japanese bikes are better in EVERY WAY in terms of spare parts. Cruza paid the ultimate price so we won't
Jon Andrews ducatis has had a horrible reputation WAY BACK. The Panigale V4 is a different story + Chains are wayyy wayyyyyyyyyy easier to replace and maintain. All you need is fucking kerosene
Ride it until the belt snaps. Then tow it home with your fancy trailer. Buy some Ducati tools and make a fix video about it. In the meantime, stop wondering about why a 150 hp bike eats belts.
It's not the hp, it's the belt guard that spits rocks up underneath the belt. I might just remove the belt guard and see if that helps. I just hope ducati replaces the belt.
If the guard is trapping and/or sucking in rocks, take it off. This won't void a warranty. Belts are a wear item and rarely fall under warranty work. They are only going to replace the belt, if something structurally is causing premature wear. They are not going to hold responsibility for rocks on the road.
LouCFur90
Yeah
LouCFur90 they should hold responsibilty for badly engineering a belt guard. It's unheard of for a belt to snap regularly in just a few thousand miles, it's either a shitty belt or a mistake made by the engineers. In this case it's the engineering.
Service bulletins and/or recalls place manufacturer responsibility. I get what you are saying, but it has little legal standing in this case so far.
Belts are for holding up your pants, chains are for getting power to the wheel.
indeed.
Chains are for criminals. Shafts get more output to where you want it. :-)
Remove the guard or maybe get a bristle brush and cut some bristles and attach them at the end of the belt guard somehow. No rocks would be able to get past them and if the belt flexes hard the bristles would be soft enough to be pushed out of the way.
10,000Kms of hard riding.... Zero belt problems
Like me 8600 km . From 2016 . And I never heard about one prob with these belt !!! Neither in the German forum . Only thing after the first year, I had to make the behind brake..... because it was taking air over the winter
Harley Davidson (and other brands using a non-enclosed belt) have had the exact same issue for years! Solution? Enclose the belt to prevent rocks / pebles from entering the bottom rear pulley. Example: My 2005 Kymco Grandvista 250cc scooter (and most scooters) enclose the entire belt in a metal, cover with a plastic cover over that to keep water, etc out. Result? I'm on my second belt in 23,000 miles - normal replacement is 15K. My belt cost $40 and I do it my self. 800 to 1200 is out outrageous!
The problem is the big fat sticky rear tyre holds on to the small stones and flicks them off in the direction of the belt, The upper belt guard stops the stone from carrying on it's way but instead catches it, places it on the belt for you and sends it to the front sprocket for crushing, As the gap between the sprocket pulley and the engine casing is very small it traps them there to wear a nice grove out of your belt, Which has just happened to mine even with a Roland Sands open sprocket cover fitted and only 3k mls. I will ride it until it snaps if it ever does. The UK want £605 fitted
You worry wayyyy to much. What if this happens, what if that happens - didin't you make a video about motorcycle fear and talked about not thinking about accidents and shit that might happen? Ride it, enjoy it, there's nothing wrong with your bike, and if you are really concerned about this issue - wait, if it really is a real problem, not something that happened to some unlucky dude who decided to start a shitstorm, someone is bound to find a solution. Best wishes my friend.
Ducati XDiavel Forum: Belt Guard Problem Thread:
www.diavel-forum.com/index.php?/topic/78282-rock-stuck-on-drive-belt/
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They can only deny a warranty if it's directly related to a modification, they dont want u to know that's law
Didn't you buy the extra warranty? It should be covered for no money out of your pocket!!
Reggie Peters I believe it still has the factory warranty until April or may......So if he decides to keep it then he probably will. Atleast that’s what I’m guessing.
FYI - This video was not to whine about the problem but was asking for a solution to the problem and share the experience with you all. Like I said this channel is about keeping it REAL, not BS. Thanks to DucLife696 for providing a possible solution, unlike most of the trolls that commented.
Unfortunately this is a problem with all belt drive bikes, including Harleys. I recently bought a used Harley, and one of the things I checked thoroughly was the belt and rear pulley for damage, and to make sure the belt guard was in place. A lot of guys don't like the looks of the belt guard, and take it off, making the problem much worse. I have never belt that belt drive was a good thing for bikes, for several reasons, including your issue. I doubt there is anything Ducati can do about it. Harley never has.
Thanks for the feedback! It's all a learning experience for me. This is the first belt drive bike I've ever had.
Exactly. Any bike that is belt driven could snap the belt if a small piece of gravel gets caught between the belt and sprocket. Safest bet is to not ride it on back roads with gravel or during the winter months when there is all kind of anti skid on the road. Stop stressing over the bike and enjoy it. It will be alright!
Gerald Scott not true dude its all about maintaining the belt now mind you I'm a chain drive guy through and through but I have plenty of friends with a variety of bikes and very few of them have had any problems with their belts my buddy has the same belt that came on his bike when he bought it 16 years ago
Chains can fuck up too and it's worst.
Glad to see a moto blogger bring this issue to light. The diavel forums have had this issue extensively. I myself had it (Ducati replaced the belt for free).
I reported the issue to Ducati’s engineering rep for North America, but I doubt anything will come of it until someone dies as a result of the belt failing.
As for fixing it. I think removing the guard will stop any chances of you getting a free replacement. Maybe buy Ducati’s aluminium belt guard. It doesn’t actually cover the belt, and it looks cool as fuck. All the third party guards just replicate the Ducati design so don’t buy them.
Oh man, I was just starting to emotionally bond with the Ducati. I might have to go to counseling if you sell it.
lol Hopefully, this video will help get to a solution. I might just take off the belt guard.
Mark Baum agreed, it's there for a reason.
@@CycleCruza did take off the belt guard work?
personally I would email one of the makers of atermarket belt drive to chain drive conversion kits and see if there are any plans to make one for the xdiavel, sounds like there may be a market out there for one
19750 miles on my Diavel S and no belt problems (I bought it new). Yes I've used the DPL a few times. Every Chain and shaft equipped bike I've had before has had expensive probs long before that mileage and this has the advantage of absolutely no maintenance.
I don't understand why you are so worried if Ducati offers a warranty...am I missing some thing?????
Warranties don't cover drive belts, as they are considered to be wear items.
Do a chain conversion, loads of cruiser guys do it, I don't see why you couldn't do it to this bike
good point.
That's why I love shaft drive. I have a Triumph with belt drive, if it's not adjusted just right it can be a PITA.
Remove the guard and put it back when you'll be taking the bike to the dealership to do the maintance and whatnot so they won't be pissed off.
Take pics of all the marks & chips on your belt & also the poor / minimal clearance between belt &;guard. email them to Ducati Technical at their headquarters emphasising your concerns & ASK THEM to recommend an upgraded oem belt guard or an after market one. If they won't do this ask them to confirm in writing to replace the belt F.O.C if it snaps or wears prematurely.
I wouldn’t remove the belt guard. I have heard horror stories of warranties being voided by Ducati for the smallest changes/ mods. (Note I have never owned one).
Started watching your videos a few days ago. Thank you for all the information, every video i get more excited to ride again. Keep doing what you do please.
Bro I’m going through the same shit with my diavel. The shift lever is prone to get jammed between gears, eventually it will need a new shift drum. I’m selling it though, no doubt
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Bro I am planning to buy a super bike
Bt they r kinda too costly in India. Just want to know are ducati bikes not good or high in maintance.
I am looking for diavel or Suzuki gsx s1000.
Please advise
Thank you
It’s under a good warranty plan don’t stress Ducati is a reputable company they’ll standby it
CNC Racing makes a Chain drive conversion kit. If thats something you would want to do.
maybe aim the camera at the issue and less super wide shots of your garage and hand might be a start
Just learn how to change the belt if it happens to you.
You just mentioned how much you love the bike, the con is nothing.
The belt costs $695. lol
Of course try to get it done under warranty and then take off the rear belt guard.
I always have it off.
Dammit cycle Cruiser I told you buy a grom!!!
Should've just bought another Chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinese Scoooooooooooooooooooooootahhhhhhhhhh!!
Seriously! 9k trouble free miles here
You'd think they would have picked that up while testing, no idea how that guard made it through to mass production. Did they just test that thing on the track where there are no rocks and pebbles?
Cyclecruza I hope they replace the belt for you. They may have a solution for you on the guard. I'll do some looking on the web.
Thanks!
Seems like it's a design flaw that can cause major failure. It's as if the designers never did any real-world testing. Takes the fun out of riding when you have to constantly worry about it breaking down and no available solution for it. Ducati has to own up to the belt guard issue.
If Ducati takes care of it's VIPs, they should fix the belt at no charge.
Omg it’s so freaking easy take the belt guard off no rocks get trapped and ur all set. Peace. There is a TH-camr channel 5up that has a Ducati S as well he’s a major gear head and should be able to give u insight
That's why I did this video, to get solutions!
D nice I met Steve in person. He's a great guy
Rata 4U no you don't say. But if the guard is trapping rocks instead of repelling them it's not doing the job now is it. So remove it until you can find a better one if the aftermarket
Rata 4U hahahahahaha
if its such a big problem then there has to be some aftermarket parts to sort it out.
Another thing, it's messed up that you have to dish out around 20 g's or more for a bike like this, and it has a major defect like this Like I mentioned in that aggressive comment I made about recalls and such, these manufacturers have tons of resources to avoid these dangerous issues I'm not going to ramble on, but I think you get my point, again good luck take care and enjoy your day
And so many people whine about a good ol' chain drive. Keep on whining. A maintained chain just makes a lot of sense overall. Sure a shaft drive might be great, but they sap the most power and jack the suspension under throttle.
Chains forever. Put one of a half dozen auto-lube systems on the chain if you're so inclined.
Remove the guard...my understanding is that OEMs cannot invalidate a warranty for a modification like that...it's not a performance enhancement and therefore cannot accelerate wear or directly cause damage in and of itself.
Had a belt drive Buell, it was awesome! Never a single problem. Not mess on wheels, no rusty chain when it rains, no messy maintenance or adjustments, your complaint is a minor and reasonably uncommon problem that is a good trade off for all the above. You complain too much!
Look as see were other guys belt/rock etc was hitting the belt guard. Then takes yours off. You could take a dremil to the cover to modify the cover.
Yep that can happen on belt drive bikes. Happen to my bike years ago. Guess what, I am cheap as you are and I am still riding the bike with the damaged belt. They are over-engineered and I am not gunning my bike that often. Proof that I am right is the fact that it hasn't snapped yet.
Its a different story for you as the bike was made for Gunning 👍 Good Luck and I hope they replace it for you.
Cool! I'll keep it as long as the belt doesn't snap. If is snaps prematurely it's getting sold. lol I love this bike so I hope all goes well.
A rule with Honda if I remember correctly is , any bike with more than 120 HP SHOULD BE CHAIN DRIVEN , I believe this is were the problem lies , not the rocks !!!!!
I haven't gone past 100 on this bike yet! lol It's not the power, it's the belt gurad design that sucks. They should have made a belt guard that fully protects the belt.
JR BORIQUA7 i think both the power and rocks causes it
CycleCruza belts in general are not as good as chains. I had a victory kingpin that had a tiny rock punch a hole in my belt. I'm sure the Harley riders can agree on this. It's a game of chance ... lol
They should have left the belt guard off completely. Or even better used a chain.. Cyclecruza how bout a chain mod!!!😉
He meant 120 horsepower. Not 100 mph. Entertaining videos though. Don't agree with all you say, but to each his own.
Well said he was going out his comfort zone and let us know good or bad on bike. Looking more to the bad and not even spring riding season yet
Exactly! I bought ti to share the experience, to see if Ducati is really that bad like haters say it is.
Remove it, it’s not like it’s a chain drive and it’s deflecting chain wax from smearing the underside of the bike or you, in your case, it’s only preventing touching of the belt or maybe spit up from the road.... if you remove it and failure happens, just put it back on before taking it in. Keeping it probably does more damage than good if it’s a known reason for failure.
A friend has a bike with similar belt guard issues (not a Ducati). He just removed it. He rides a sport bike with a chain with no chain guard so by his logic a belt shouldn't be much different. So far he's right.
The only real warranty voiding mods are the ones that cause the malfunction you want the warranty to fix. For example if you put nitrous on a bike and blow the head, they aint going to fix it. If you put an HID headlight up that frys your electronics they are not going to fix it. If you take the belt drive guard off and the engine blows, they will still fix it.
Belts are strong and reliable. I’d take the guard off if it’s that concerning. Otherwise ride it till it breaks. Its a wear item to begin with. Or if there is chain conversion That’ll eliminate your concern. Vrod parts are becoming obsolete and trying to find aftermarket support is even harder. Go into any harley dealership and ask to buy the oil return line or feed I can’t remember for the Vrod, the part is obsolete, I had to have a local hose shop custom make one for about the same price of Harley’s obsolete part. or get a quote for valve lash and service interval for that.
Funny as in something with so much HP/Speed utilises a belt as it's drive system
The context of you being cheap is different from mine. Also I'm in the process of watching all your vids oldest to newest. You will be the reason I learn how to ride.
CycleCruza tell me how you like to approach long distance day trips on a bike. How often do you stop? What kind of places do you stop? What do you take? Any advice in general? How do you get the most out of the experience? I've never done road trips on my bike so I have no idea what Im in for.
CC may b u should find an after market belt guard. If u don't find one, u should try some other bike belt guard and c if that fits. I think it's better to keep the belt guard don't remove it, it may lead to some other problem. The belt looks damaged, there is no point in riding the bike with a belt in that condition.
Most cog belts are standard, sized by width and number of teeth, most industrial bearing and chain suppliers should be able to furnish a replacement which "might" be cheaper than a genuine Ducati part, try checking on it.
2 things. We don't do money pits (I'm sorry for your drama)!! Ducatis loss if they don't keep you happy. You could have put a down on a house for the price of that bike. 2nd, thanks for all the great info, i learned the hard way why gauntlet gloves are sometimes necessary. Best of luck Cruza!!
Just remove the belt guard, the belt isn't covered by warranty anyway ....... how hard is it to change the belt if snaps?
Awesome videos, the riders have learned a lot from your videos.
A lot of people are getting belts replaced under warranty due to this issue. My local Ducati club says removing the front sprocket cover fixes the issue as well- the rocks don't get trapped in there and just bounce out. That would be a dumb reason to sell the bike if you really like it otherwise!
Belt guard removal may be option if you don't want to sell. If it's under warranty with belt guard on and it breaks, Ducati should fix it for no cost. But, if you remove the guard then mostly your belt won't suffer damage. You can call Ducati to confirm what exactly your warranty covers with or without belt guard. Decisions, decisions.
Do not remove the belt guard. When you take it in for service tell the Ducati folks what’s happening. They may have a recall on the belt guard. If not look thru the forums for a fix and mod the belt guard. Do not take it off. Rocks will get kicked up into the teeth of the lower belt and cause failures.
Outer damage only, look at the belt teeth. I think you'll be fine.
I don’t have this bike, but I’ve read through a few forums on this issue. While the cost would be expensive if you had to front it, it looks like Ducati is replacing at no cost to the owner. If you don’t get this kind of response from you’re nearest dealer, I would call around to other dealers or corporate.
wow, the belt can possibly fail? just wait until you realize that every other part on the bike can possibly fail too, you'll never want to ride it again!
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Luke Thompson Love the Husky 701 but it's limited use too narrow a focus ok for hooligan antics but fuck no distance you be crippled
Had an ST4 loved it madly, shit the crank bearings at 20000 miles, never again.
That belts still good. They pop from being too tight.
Biggest issue with the Ducati (any Ducati) is the cost of upkeep. It's like anything high perf the Italians make. Not to take away from them. All the Italian stuff, cars, bikes, is beautiful, stunning in fact. But they are like having a really, really hot, high maintenance, bitchy girl friend. After a while you're wiping your brow with a rag wondering if it's all worth it.
The Dude .....wait till you get an Italian girlfriend.....more expensive than the bike and its maintenance!!!
But it's really German isn't it.
I test rode a Scout Bobber in the fall. Doesn't have the Duc power and exotic looks, but it's a cool looking cruiser that's just different enough to make it awesome and way cheaper than the Duc
Ducati may reimburse you for the belt if you write to them directly, but not the labor to install it.
Try buying a after market belt guard
It could be against his religion. Many religion's bar people of faith from using aftermarket parts.
wkdravenna tell that to his wr250r
haha true. :) I do like his WR250R it looks pretty cool. I want one.
Dick Lopez he doesn’t want to make the 2-3k$ conversion therefore voiding his warranty it’d be ok if the cover was 3rd party
Dick Lopez aight it was just a suggestion he’s a man if he doesn’t want it he won’t do it
My bike is shaft driven and i know what happens when a chain or bept snaps but what happens when a shaft drive goes?....
Mark Baum good thing its a honda!
I believe they sell a conversion kit not sure tho (belt to chain) keep the belt on it, if it breaks you have a warranty. Once the warranty period is over you might want to consider buying a kit. I'm sure by the time your warranty expires they'll have a perfect kit. A more realistic option would be to take the guard off. If you're worried about the warranty then put it back on if you break the belt. This whole "belt" thing is just an elaborate scheme to get you to keep spending money and it ensures that you'll be giving them your money for as long as you own the bike.
Remove the belt guard. If anything happens, put the belt guard back on the bike and bring it in (hopefully they won't be able to tell the difference). Just don't tell them your Cycle Cruiser.
Belt drive problems not just ducati. Remove the guard, a warranty won't be affected by removing it.
This reminds me of owning bmw’s. I don’t like payments, so I buy all my cars used. The downside is no warranty. They are great cars, but at any time you had to have $1000-$3000 set aside for repairs. Maintenance wasn’t cheap either, usually running between $500-$1000 every 4 months. I loved the cars, but the headache got to me. It was like I was living in fear. I could afford it, but I was starting to get embarrassed by the constant breakdowns. I hope your Ducati doesn’t end up being more of a worry than a pleasure.
i have no valid response to your Ducati X delima......unless you can think of a way to fully close off the entire belt system , then send the copy of the specs to the Ducati manufacturer for them to replace it....but, the top portion and the top lower portion has to be transparent to see the belt....that is 'if' you have time , and also have engineering
skills to make such a fantastic item.
tk you for that insight, and faults...not that i wanted you to.
you deserve the best.
tk you
awsome vlog !!
I picked up an 03 gsf 1200s with 29k mi. I miss my VFR800 but man the torque and comfort i gain is night and day!
I'm assuming the previous owner got rid of it because of same issues..but my main factor for rid of the bike would be for the safety concerns. Life over looks of the bike.
I am one of those who had a damaged belt because of the faulty rock guard design. CycleCruza you are right that a lot of other people are having this issue. Luckily for me, the Ducati rep approved the replacement of the belt under warranty "as a show of good faith". My suggestion is that you insist on talking to the rep or try to go over his head with the corporate office if he doesn't approve full replacement under warranty. Please let everyone know how this works out.
Every good high performance vehicle has issues. The trade off is performance.
Hopefully you will find a solution. I have one of each (Shaft, Chain and Belt) drive types. I like the belt the best.
You got a point Cruz. $800 is no joke. Maybe stay off the streets with your favorite bike during the seasonal gravel, bro. It just gets in those belts no matter what you got. I had another brand bike with no guard and the belt snapped when a rock got under the belt, not even on top like yours. It was a real drag and left me stranded. Cost a fortune to replace both the belt and sprocket but I still prefer belts over anything else. When you takin out the Repsol?
Ducati XDiavel Forum: Belt Guard Problem Thread:
www.diavel-forum.com/index.php?/topic/78282-rock-stuck-on-drive-belt/
CycleCruza fuckin Ducati!!! 😂😂😂🤦🏾♂️
I read that thread. It doesn't look like anyone's actually experienced a failure, they' have all just noticed some rock damage.
Take a look at the way Eric Buell set up his bikes over the years you might just find a solution. He has been running belts in more aggressive applications for well over a decade. That bike would have been killer as a shaft drive.
yeah they should have put a shaft drive, however, it robs some power.
Cruza, see if company bought out a chain system for that bike. That's the only option I can think of beside selling the bike.
CycleCruza it would be a shame if you sold that bike! Have you looked at the Diavel Carbon? It's chain driven and has the foot pegs were you like em.
CC , buy Dodge Rider's modded Grom ;). You'll definitely get a kick out of a sub 250 pound little bike with a 250cc + engine swapped into it.
CycleCruza I Love the Videos. I have to Admit I am a Harley Davidson Rider. Harley's are also Belt Drive. As a Suggestion look at how Harley deals with it. Maybe if You just Loosen Your Belt Guard that would be enough ? I dont have any other suggestions. That is a Good Looking Bike. If You Love it enough find a way to keep it. Ride Safe.......
go buy a longer tyre hugger for front tyre because it makes a rock to jump and go under ur belt
Just another 'isolated incident'. I used to hear that a lot after 9-11. I give you credit for giving it a try. I always heard that high hp and belts don't mix. So maybe Ducati hasn't solved this problem. I expect them to replace it for you. But do really want to keep replacing belts? It may fail away from home without advance notice. That could lead to your trademark day!
There is a good reason the Japanese use shaft drive on most of their power cruisers. $700 for a belt is nuts.
Well ... on that forum a guy states that Ducati replaced it for free when it started to show wear after 7500 miles... anyway I guess it really depends on where and when you ride... if you ride now and if they use sand/stones on the roads during winter over there in Ohio ... chances are you catch a stone, even on BMW :) (it seems to be pretty simple to replace the belt on F800 DIY, I wouldn't do it on XDiavel S under warranty:D) People also claim that HD has this ironed out - yeah right, wonder how many people ride HDs during winter or on gravel roads... but on the other hand maybe they do :) You'd need a fully enclosed belt drive to be sure you won't catch a stone... in the end, belts can snap, chains can break, shaft drives can strip :) ... I must say though it sounds a bit funny - hearing "it has all the features" and "I don't care for any driver aids" very close to each other:) (get the MT-10 already... or Boneville Bobber or keep the XDiavel S ... do whatever you feel is right :) )
Take the guard off, problem solved. You worry about everything little thing man. You’re the type of guy to take his car or bike into the shop, and blame the dealer when a rock gets caught in between the pads and scratches the rotor, like it’s the dealers fault.
Crap, just when i started getting interested with the X, but 800-1200 belt changes with no support from the manufacturer, I'll stick with the regular chain driven Diavel
13 000km on mine and no issues whatsoever. One recall only for the side stand.
You take the belt guard off, if you have a problem you put it back on and take it in to the shop! European vehicles are not for penny pinchers, if you want to look rich you better be rich when the bills come:)
I would remove the belt guard and ride like that...the guard is what’s causing your problem and I have rode many super bikes with no chain guard and no issues.
Trade it for BMW K1600B.
It has even more power and features and has shaft which is reliable as rock.
Please sell to someone who appreciates a Ducati. Keep riding your rice burners.
Pro, overthinker. . . worrie about getting hit by a car instead. This is not a big issue
$700 for a new belt is f*****g ridiculous. That's the problem with higher-end Euro bikes - they look great and for the most part are well-built, but replacement parts cost a fortune. This is why I avoid high-end bikes...I'd rather ride and have fun without the extra worry of having to shell out $$$ thousands if I scratch it or crash.
First year problems are not only for bikes but for any product. That is the Ironing out phase. People who like buying first year anything are the unpaid beta testers who paid top dollar to be the kid on the block who got the shinny new toy before everyone else.
I rather wait 2 to 3 years. Look at the Nissan GTR after nearly 10 years the car is rock solid and you get a lot of performance for your money. The transmission problems have been ironed out. The interior is more luxury oriented and built for everyday drive.