What I really hate about this game is the implication that nobody other than Sonic himself could deal with Eggman whatsoever. Like as soon as Sonic is captured all hope is apparently lost until he's found out to be alive again
Exactly! And what was Shadow doing for those months that Sonic was gone? It’s a shame, cause it was the perfect set-up for Shadow to be the one to break Sonic out of prison and help start the revolution which could’ve been cool
Probably because Sega keeps all the spotlight focused on just Sonic unfortunately. I mean when was the last time Tails or Knuckles were playable in a mainline game?
The best thing about Sonic Forces is the fact that someone at sega thought the best way to promote the game would be to do a collab with hooters. That one fact is better then the entire game.
That's really cool but at the same it's sad cause they should have focused on the fucking game instead of god damn hooters even though it's funny I thought forces was good
@@Skillfulstone Yes! Like fucking Zavok or whatever is name is was a boss and so was Metal and it took multiple hits to kill them... but chaos and Shadow go down one hit?!?!
My favorite part of Sonic Forces is when Tails goes "Sonic was kidnapped months ago and he's being tortured every single day!" and then cuts to Sonic busting out and goig "LOL! i could really go for a chilidog!" ...Man, you could just feel the pain and PTSD Sonic had at that point
THIS, like why even imply something like this if it’s not gonna actually take part in the story? 💀 I wish they weren’t so scared to give Sonic more emotions or let him get hurt. I’d be a lot easier to relate to him + the story would seem more real/authentic. Idk, this game just pisses me off lmao
@@Ilikesceptile11Nah bro, sustaining 6 months of torture is definitely going to get to someone. At this point, It's just unbelievable that it's not getting to him. Glad that this part was never in the Japanese version in the first place
oh, i just remembered: there's a character in the Sonic comic books named "Whisper". she uses a Wispon weapon, and she has a special mask that lets her talk to her wisp friends. AND she almost always speaks in a whisper... the only comic I've personally read where she raised her voice was a one-shot comic where she met "Jet the Hawk" from Sonic Riders, and she yelled "BE QUIET!" at him.
For me, that plain oatmeal can be enjoyable at certain times, but it lacks an impact of taste that it would have if it were given more time to prepare, no fruit or spices or heck even any sweeteners to, well, sweeten the deal of eating this overall bland package that isn’t served in a broken dish, yes, but lacks a lot more to claim as it’s own to make it stand out from other oatmeals i’ve had in the past. TLDR; i’ve stretched this metaphor as much as i can, Forces while not broken lacks a lot to make it stand out and plays with concepts that end up not adding much to the already stale package.
Honestly forces is probably has some of the most wasted potential out there. Sonic could have been jaded and hopeless from losing and being tortured and the oc could have inspired him again. Tails could have become the leader, proving his ability and why sonic trusts him and with sonic out of the spotlight the side characters could have finally gotten some development
This game in general highlights how awful the writing is. And how unimportant all the characters are, like Sonic go defeated… and? You do realize we have the likes of Shadow and Silver who are just as strong if not stronger than him right? And that’s without counting all the other characters that can stand on their own like Tails, who went from a brave kid able to stand on his own and even fight Eggman head on to a coward that cries when Sonic isn’t around…. Also how Chaos was just wasted not even having a boss. Or how much of a joke Infinite was as a villain.
you should see Sonic forces: Rewritten. It’s a fan made remake that you can’t play but it feels like the maker of the video actually put effort into it while the original feels like a rushed piece of crap
that would have given Sonic unnecessary depth all while threatening his core personality. we don't need another "Metroid: Other M". look at Mario. Sonic games need to be simpler, not more complicated. Sonic has the potential to be really simple: Sonic Mania, the two movies and the recent animated efforts (Mania Adventure and some other Tyson Hesse's works for Sega) showed it. and for the love of God, have him talk less. mute Classic Sonic in Mania Adventures is a great character, the "show, don't tell" rule should always apply there, or at least as often as possible. unnecessary speech makes things more boring, slower, and more chaotic, and often fails to convey emotions or intentions that can only be transmitted through well crafted gestures, expressions, behavior or postures. (so many expressionless faces in this game, so much exposition, even during the actual gameplay, it's disgusting and irritating) moreover, Sonic never gives up: he's supposed to be an unstoppable force of nature clashing with an immovable object (Eggman). wind doesn't need motivations. I don't want to see a depressed Sonic, that'll be the end.
for me personally, sonic forces meant a lot at the time that i played it. i was in the worst depression of my life by far. genuinely thought i was going to become homeless, so i bought it on a whim as a sort of last comfort, and it brought back a lot of memories of being a kid, making a ton of sonic ocs (and turning the tokyo mew mew girls into sonic characters. but thats unrelated), comics, sprite edits, etc. i played it obsessively and at the time to me it felt like a miracle. was sonic forces actually a technically polished game with good writing and gameplay? probably not. i havent played it since 2019. but i had a lot of fun playing it, so i really treasure it. even if the character creator actually kind of sucks in retrospect. anyway i think a good sonic game is whatever you feel in your heart :]
That just proves how badly Pontac and Graff messed up sonics character. Yes the meat of sonics character is that he’s a cocky hero that loves helping others and plays by his own rules, but he’s not like that all the time! If this was the sonic of SA1 and SA2 the hedgehog would’ve lost all hope.
@@retron99 that’s a good point. But in a non mistranslation error version I think knuckles says something like “sonic is going through a living hell.” So that doesn’t change the fact that sonic is out of character here.
@@ineedbootlacestobeready8521 The game tried to be edgy and serious yet it was as sharp as a butter knive with these implications/statements that folks are dying, Shadow is back to a being brutal (again) and Sonic is "dead" yet it was all without substance or lasting meaning. Sonic literally spits out a meta platitude about working together to make the world a better place only for him and the OC to abandon the Resistance to go adventuring while everyone else cleans up and rebuilds the world (At least its a good metaphor for how Sega have been treating the cast for well over decade in the core "3D" games lol!). Honestly Sonic Forces is more of a shallow parody of edginess that fails to truly understand why folks find the "edge" appealing.
I’m pretty sure they ended up reusing the same engine they used in Lost World, which ended up making most characters feel more heavy than they should be.
That's the only redeeming quality about Forces, the character creator! And... That's it. Ill boot up my PS2 to play Jak & Daxter 1 for the rest of it. Fuck that non-sense!
Colours was praised for its level design, but the reception became colder when fans noticed the terrible jokes from this era of Sonic originated there and that not every act was a hit. And that was before the "Ultimate" version added a whole bunch of bugs that weren't in the original, some of which were either borderline seizure inducing or like having light mode with max brightness.
Not to be a contrarian, but if not every act is a hit (as in, 2 out of 3 sucks on average), I wouldn't really say the level design was that great overall. Sure, there were some creative environments and a few good levels, but the entire game was clearly struggling to pad itself past the 2-hour mark. And as such one of the big reasons I'd say the reception has grown colder is not just the writing, but also how the devs somehow never found a way to improve on their design philosophy and as such the glaring design flaws only became more prominent over time, both in Colors and the following games (Generations is arguably the one exception by virtue of its development starting at the time of Unleashed, but it isn't entirely without fault, ironically most agree that the Colors stage is the lesser level despite following the overall design of that game).
It’s funny that 10 years ago pretty much everyone loved Colors, many fans called it one of the best if not the best Sonic game. People used to praise the wisps, the comedic story and Sonic being the only playable character. Now these are all things the fanbase hates.
@Casswury Unfortunately, no. You do need to get through all 6 acts to progress in the original as well, that was not an issue created by Ultimate. The only extras are the Game Land levels. And I must disagree, Colors has some of the most inspired level *themes* in the series but its design philosophy is not that great. Blocky platforming, automated spectacle to the max (Starlight Carnival Act 1 being the most guilty of this, half the stage plays by itself), yellow spring autoscrollers and of course the infamous "stand on switches and wait" levels. In every world, you'll get 2 good acts and the rest is padding. A shame, as the result is that the game does not take enough advantage of its unique zones as much as it could.
@@bulb9970 even back then people were saying that the dialogue was bad in Colors, the vitriol has only increased because every other game afterwards seems to highlight it more because their dialogue is even worse
It's worth mentioning that Colors came after nearly a decade of mediocre to terrible Sonic games, the fact that it was halfway decent meant it got lauded with praise.
10:15 no, you nailed it. It's the exact opposite of '06.' 06 was an ambitious dumpster fire of a game. Forces feels like a phoned in homework assignment at the end of the semester when you know you already have a B in the course. They didn't even bother pricing it like a AAA game, $40 with some DLC that became free because wtf charges for Super Sonic? Which is a shame because as you point out, infinite is a great design and a Sonic OC creator is the most genius thing for the community since the Chao Garden. Like everyone else, fingers crossed for Frontiers.
@@eway44 talking about frontiers, if I were to predict it based on the gameplay so far it's more of a forces than an '06 Honestly I'm hoping more for an '06 because that would be something I could laugh at
The thing that upset me the most in this game was how threats were handled. While there was display and dialogue of how dangerous Eggman had become and how powerful Infinite was, there was never a need to use or seek out the Chaos Emeralds? Even without Sonic, they would have been useful considering Knuckles and Tails could go super as well as Silver! And by the final fight there could have been about 6-7 Chaos Emerald powered characters ready to beat up the enemy forces (Both Sonics, Tails, Knuckles, Silver and Shadow, 7 if they chose the OC to be able to get the power of the Chaos emeralds.) But instead it was an afterthought that they put in later as DLC, and only for the two Sonics.
I'm pretty sure 3D Tails and Knuckles can't use the Emeralds. But your point still stands, why the fuck do they never even _mention_ Chaos Emeralds in this game? Even a single one can be used to distort space-time!
If I'm remembering right, (and correct me if I'm wrong since its been a bit since I heard this) some of the main reasons this game ended up mediocre was due to Sega rushing development and both the director and the level designer never working on a sonic game before. Could explain why everything feels so uninspired and bland. It sucks, cuz the idea of Eggman finally winning and making your Sonic OC cannon are good ideas, but wasted on such a "meh" product.
The funny part is remembering how certain people were that this game would be amazing because the game was delayed and missed the 25th anniversary in 2016 "They're taking their time to make sure the game is good, they learned they can't rush these games anymore!" That sure worked out well
@@BruceLigno "We got it guys, we learned from our failure with 06. We won't ever add any other playable characters than Sonic again and we won't ever attempt at making a complex story either. I'm sorry, what? Don't rush the game? Nonsense, that had nothing to do with our failure."
If they had kept Sonic being alive a secret until the end, kept Classic Sonic out of the game, made the levels longer, and added actual missions to the game where you had to help the other main characters gather supplies and intel and help them sabotage shipments and whatnot, made Infinite much more menacing, had area bosses in ascending difficulty levels going from Zavok to Metal then Chaos then fake Shadow, then have Sonic be rescued near the end but too weak from hunger and torture to defeat Infinite, making your character the one to beat him instead, it would’ve been an awesome game.
Choc: “Chaos coming back is like…so awesome. But I feel like it’s wasted potential.” Literally just 5 minutes into the video: *_*Chaos gets dripped on by classic Sonic, and never showed up again for the rest of the 31 minutes*_*
@@Triforce_of_Doom " Hey, adventure fans, remember Chaos? remember how menacing and unstoppable he was? look at him now- oh. he's dead... *what a shame huh?* " " anyways here's the Sonic From Another Dimension!! "
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Between Sega listening to Adventure haters (as well Sonic haters in general) for years, Sega cancelling Adventure remakes on two separate occasions and ofc the shameless as well as shallow bait in Forces (Chaos). It's actually quite disgusting how Sonic fans whose favourite games are the Adventure titles have been treated tbh. Like S3&K is my personal favourite Sonic game but this constant "classic era" pandering at the expense of screwing over the "Adventure era" ("Classic" Sonic literally one-shot Chaos like it was nothing) only enables the divisions in the fandom and causes more problems in the future with mixed messages between Sega and the Sonic fandom.
In those few seconds, Chaos 0 looked awesome Menacingly approaching Tails with his wet footprints visible in the dirt. Really giving off an air of creepiness ... Then he just evaporates underneath Classic Sonic
@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit There's still roughly 20 minutes of difference between this and the Generations video; and even then, Gens is considered a quick game, just not as ridiculously fast as Forces here (seriously, there's levels that don't even last a minute) The 06 video is probably a closer comparison, but that game is a glitchy mess.
Honestly Tails doesn’t do jack shit in this game, especially when Classic Sonic took down the Egg Dragoon and Tails says, “We did it” even though he didn’t do anything
the only thing Tails did was cower like a pussy against Chaos in BASE FORM. Let it be reminded Tails was able to take down an UPGRADED version of chaos ON HIS FREAKIN' OWN
@@docplays6508 Much as it hurts me to say it, my expectations are REAL LOW for Frontiers just due to sheer fear they're gonna screw it up like they did with Forces
11:10 There's actually an episode of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog where a snake eats Sonic and then spits him out and Sonic is like "Sorry buddy, should've warned you about my quills!"
What I'm annoyed about is that we NEVER get a chaos fight in this game, The zavoc fight is decent, metal's boss is just something to clone off of some of the infinite fights, and honestly, I was glad to see chaos again But I wanted to fight it
Shadow has always been my favorite character. Not because he's an edge lord. But because he has his own goals. He doesn't do what's right just for being a hero. He does what he wants and I liked that as a kid and an adult. Also I really like Shadow The Hedgehog game. Even with all of it's problems. I still love it.
Characters who have their own goals but still end up doing the good thing are more interesting that "I am always good and nice because I'm the protagonist"
He doesn’t even have his own goals though - sometimes people say this about him, and I find that weird. He’s just a hero doing the right thing for the right reasons.
The main issue I have with Forces is how they punked Infinite. He would've been my favorite villain in the series had they just given him a better backstory and send-off. Hell, I have my own rewritten backstory for him where he went insane because Shadow killed all the jackals but him and left him to suffer, filling his heart with bitterness until his innate bloodlust took over his mind after becoming who he is now.
my revised backstory was that he has multiple run-ins with shadow, and his constant losses ruined his reputation as a mercenary. basically, the encounter in the actual game would be kept roughly the same, but with added context to show that this was the last straw in a long line of failures
oh so we are telling our own rewrites for infinite ok then for my rewrite infinite or zero and the custom avatar are brothers manly because i kind of saw them as brothers so it can work for the story anyways in the rewrite zero and rookie are brothers and they lived in a small village there whole childhood wit there parents until one day eggman attacks the village eventually sonic shows up and fights eggman after the fight eggman leaves but because of what eggman did zero and rookie lost there parents from the attack and are dead years later zero forms his own vigilante group called jackal squad zero tells his brother that he will be gone for a while but he will return later on jackal squad go out and fight eggman but they get outnumbered and eggman makes a deal to zero join him or die with your team zero doesn't want his friends to die so he says he will work for the doctor then weeks later they are in the jungle protecting a underground lab then suddenly eggman tells jackal squad that a black hedgehog and robot have entered the base zero tells his squad to go after the hedgehog he can handle the robot after a while zero destroys the robot but his team haven't called back yet until the hedgehog appears reveling to be shadow with no time wasting zero and shadow fight shadow wins the fight telling the jackal that his team are gone and that his nothing to him the jackal goes into a coma shadow leaves the base eggman shows up brings zero into the lab and begins to experiment on him with the ruby calling him infinite
Shadow really is the most important thing to happen in the sonic franchise. He ties alot of things together and brings more potential to different stories without sacrificing speed based game play. Things sonic wouldn't necessarily have happen to him. Shadow's presence brought the black arms which started the comic about his alien family in the comics. Shadow is a relative of Eggman and brings importance to that family through Gerald and Maria. He is a different look into how the power of chaos emeralds can work. But there's alot of characters that try to either take his power or hate him, like Eggman making thousands of robots and androids of him but they still can't match him, being sonics rival but at the same time his different perspective on what is good or evil, being the living weapon of black doom or G.U.N., being the direct result of mephiles coming to power or infinite attempting to slander him by use of illusion to sonics crew. He has directly and indirectly caused alot of things to transpire, but at his base, he's just a guy that wants to do the right thing even if it means hurting people along the way, though his personality would suggest he is arrogant at times and yet calculated. He cares very much about a little girl that didn't get to live past 8 years. And he blames himself for it, because he was supposed to be her cure, but since he was alive, he unwittingly became her doom.
I received this game as a gift, so I played through it because I didn't want to be rude. It was a mixed bag. The Modern Sonic stages were really fun, the OC stages were mediocre, and the Classic Sonic stages were painful. The soundtrack was fucking great though, especially Infinite's songs. I still listen to the OST on a routine basis. 11:52 btw the Switch version I received had free DLC for Joker's outfit from Persona 5, so uh...you're not that far off
@@nicolalama2562 No no, it really is bad. You want an exemple of a mediocre Sonic game? Secret Rings. But this.. ''Forces'' .. is legit a very, VERY bad Sonic game.
Literally the only thing I like about this game was the fact that we got a fully playable shadow. At a time where sega didn’t feel confident making Sonic’s friends playable again, it’s nice to see one of em get the spotlight (even if he is a reskinned sonic, but tbf, he was also a sonic reskin in adventure 2 so)
Just gonna throw it out here: Sonic 06 was fucking amazing in making the other characters playable. Every single one got a completely unique moving and attacking set. Shadow felt both like Sonic and his own at the same time, like he was created to be, silvers moveset was fucking nuts for that era of gaming and even Amy, Rouge, Blaze and Knuckles had their own levels of playtime
I remember being so disappointed that they don't even show Eggman taking over at the beginning. Same goes for fading out of cutscene into a sequence of dialogue boxes. Also correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this game say at one point that Eggman tortured Sonic for months?
They did, but only in the english localization. Same thing with the "Tails has lost it" bit. The english writers wanted to spice things up not realizing that if we don't see those things then it's just lies.
yep but that's only in the English version apparently, same goes for the "Tails has just lost it" line. Guess they were tryna spice things up and failed miserably at putting a serious tone in a Sonic game
20:50 I kind of liked our OC being tired during that scene. Like they can clearly keep up with Sonic, but he's been doing this for decades and we kinda just started yesterday so of course we'd be tired as hell.
My opinion on Forces is that there's no one terrible thing about the game, it's just that as a whole it's really mediocre. Levels are simple like Sonic Colors, but lack the creativity of Sonic Colors' environments which I feel was what made Colors so good. The music is pretty good, but a lot of the songs feel either out of place or can just miss the mark at times. All the playable characters feel like they were butchered in terms of controls. Lastly, the story is trying way too hard to be taken seriously. I don't think any one of these aspects on their own made Forces bad, it's just all of it combined makes it one of the most forgettable Sonic games in a while.
i agree. i just finished sonic forces and honestly it was nowhere near as bad as i thought it was going to be. even though in the grand scheme of things it’s nowhere near a great sonic game i was still able to find enjoyment in it.
I'm glad we get more of Choc's adventures in Sonic's sub-par games, lol! That Sonic 06 playthrough made us laugh a ton, and I can't wait to sit through another one. :)
My only real complaint about the 'Avatar' is that they stick out too much. That Biafran poster-child torso is the worst offender. Not _one_ character in the series is that thin, so what prevented them from giving you a few different body types to choose from? Not like they couldn't just weight the one or two shirt models they retextured a hundred different times to let it adjust to different body shapes.
I've heard they purposely designed the OC's to look awkward so they wouldn't outshine the main cast. I can't recall the source as it was in a video I watched years ago but I think it was quoted from a developer interview.
@@ArtzyZero Yet they failed miserably since most of the main cast are useless exposition machines while the OC does all the work and still outshines them plus some folks got really creative with OC designs which later inspired the creation of an official Sonic character, Whisper the Wolf from the IDW comics.
@@lynxfresh5214 Well the official cast being walking cardboard cutouts wasn't exclusive to Forces, sadly. But design wise in game there is a very clear difference in how the OC characters are modeled compared to the official cast and it was intentional (assuming the interview I mentioned actually happened). That said, they obviously still wanted the OC to be popular otherwise they wouldn't have put so much effort into the clothing options. ^-^
@@ArtzyZero Nah... I understand the walking cardboard cutout point is nothing new, even Generations (The last GREAT 3D Sonic game) suffers from this. As a Blaze fan it made me laugh that a character, who a major part of her popularity comes from the fact she's a princess that actually does her job and gets directly involved in the action (instead of needing to be rescued and/or only cheers from the sidelines like many other fictional princesses) that in Generations she needed to be rescued and then cheers from sidelines during the final battle (alongside most of the cast lol!). At this point Sega should either leave the cast outta the games to just focus on Sonic OR actually make some of them playable as well as be important to the entire game. Tl;dr: The walking cardboard cutout compromise needs to go from Frontier onwards (All it does is continually enable the "sONiC aNd hIs UsElEsS fRiEnDs" meme).
@@lynxfresh5214 Oh the way the ended Generations bothered me so much, it really brought down a good game. There's no way any of Sonic's friends would just stand and watch as both Sonic's are being hurt. You could argue the others can't go super but Shadow and Silver are there and they'd absolutely join the fight. Thing is, there was such an easy fix. Just don't have Sonic's friends there. Or if you really wanted keep the 'my friends are my power' moment (because as cheesy as it is, it's always fit the series) have Sonic's friends notice that White Space is becoming unstable and they're forced together. As a group they realise Sonic must be fighting the creature they've seen. Naturally they want to find and help him but the Time Eater is blocking the way with the same barrier's we see in game, so with no other options they're forced to watch. That way them calling out for Sonic to keep fighting without actually doing anything makes sense because they can't physically get to him. (This is just off the top of my head, I'd probably give it more thought if I had too. XD) I don't think we need another Sonic Heroes (I wouldn't say no to another one of course) but I think a game that focuses on a small group of Sonic's friends would be the best way to go. Then save the side games/party games for including everyone at once, since you don't need a detailed story in that situation and can just focus on fun character interactions. This is (again) off the top of my head but maybe have Sonic and Tails take another trip to Blaze's dimension for some Eggman Nega shenanigans but this time Knuckles tags along after a mix-up or something. They can't get back home until they've beaten Nega and so the adventure begins. You've got two speedy characters with Sonic and Blaze and two more flight/exploration based characters with Tails and Knuckles. So you can have open styled levels like in SA1 where you speed through them in a linear fashion with the speed characters as they pursue Nega's robots, familiarising yourself with how a level looks before exploring it thoroughly for, say the Sol Emeralds, with Tails/Knuckles. You could have each character play a little differently or unlock unique locations in each stage so you've got reasons to switch between the four of them. (TLDR; Totally agree Generations ending sucked and Sonic's friends deserved better. I want them to try multiple characters again but keep it limited to just a couple per game and save including every character in a game for spin offs/party games, allowing for fun interactions without a complicated story. (The rest of my comment is just 'what if' story rambling.)
6:36 "War never changes" got me absolute laughed my ass off of this edit bro😂, but in the same time it hit me hard with such old school nostalgia from Fallout 4
Being a Sonic fan is rough sometimes, I pray the new fans that play Frontiers after seeing the both Sonic movies get a good game so they don't have to feel our pain. XD I wound up playing this game with a 'My OC do not steal' character on my first run but then on my second 'run' (tried to 100% my save file, so I created a new character for the achievements and stopped after learning the collectables don't unlock anything.) because I wanted some kind of interesting plot, I made my character an ex-member of Jackal Squad (Infinite's mercenary crew that he ditches in the game) and that he's joined the resistance to stop his boss's madness after their first encounter went poorly. And my fanfiction bias aside, I do honestly think it makes things more interesting. It hardly saves the game from being dull of course, they completely missed the mark with the story in this game. Promising a grand plot and teasing returning villains, only for two of them to be defeated in cutscenes and to tell the player the story is progressing instead of showing it and of course the awful writing. I remember getting to the credits and feeling unfulfilled, the credits theme is lovely and I didn't feel like I'd earned the right to listen to it. I really, really hope Frontiers is better but I have my doubts and will definitely be waiting for reviews.
List of things Choctopus liked about Sonic forces The tighter control Sonic's smoothness Building an oc The gamer hat Infinite's design The OST collecting all those rings in casino jungle Playing volleyball during the final boss
@@SonicTheCutehog Jesus christ, this guy just said he had fun with it. Why can things like that not be said anymore nowadays with people swarming in to attack them for it? Let people enjoy things. If you hate it, sure whatever but don't let that be the "reason" everyone else has to hate it too.
Fun fact: The music at 15:45 Is also used in the sonic mobile game! I don't play the game but but my brother does: and for some reason I might get adicted to that game.
Infinite is another character I really wish they’d do something interesting with instead of just making new characters every time. At this point there has to be 1,000+ Sonic characters.
Yup but first Sega need to learn to properly utilise the established cast and consistently treat them with respect as well as nuance in the games (Something they've failed at for well over a decade now).
This man made this game look so easy. He wasn't wrong about the controls and platform levels. The amount of time I almost broke my controller out of sheer rage is unbelievable. Not the mention the final boss, the alien form, really was a pain in the ass. Those lasers threw me off on how slow they were. But in the, I will still remember this game as the second Sonic game I've ever beaten, right after Sonic Colors of course
I mean, the game was sorta easy. Haven’t touched it in a while, but all I remember is that the game was relatively easy to get through as Modern Sonic (boost to win), tricky as Classic Sonic (movement), and difficult as the Avatar (level design).
@@PLEASEHOLD2 maybe the problem comes from inconsistent difficulty. the easy parts are so brainless that the hard parts catch you off guard. never played the game, but i have had similar experiences
Nah you're telling the truth. When generations came out everyone was like "it's ok but colors was way better" 😭 but up until frontiers dropped people randomly switched to saying generations was the best
4:59 you have no idea how badly I wanted Tails to die since he was scared of Chaos ZERO. When Tails fought Chaos FOUR. A far more powerful version than ZERO. And Tails was younger when he beat him too.
I like how when Eggman is ranting to sonic about how it’s impossible to escape null space you can see cubot pointing and silently laughing at eggman as if he enjoys watching him fail and they are more on sonic’s side
The worst part about the game, you have to download super sonic and episode shadow, and episode shadow only has three levels Also when you run, you start out slow then boost out of no where
Tried playing this game with a clean slate a few days ago, and I just couldn't get through it. Not because it was a very offensive game, but because the gameplay was so bland that I just felt NOTHING playing it. I tried, man.
I see where you're coming from I personally like the game. I especially have the most fun when I speed run through it as I feel that's what the game was made for. Try speed running the game you might have more fun
I have sonic forces and here my thing, I don't think it's a bad game it just gets bland after a while. It would have helped if the game was story was better and the game was longer.
In a perfect world, we would have gotten Sonic Generations 2 instead. 6:34 This game is way to comedic to be taken seriously by me. I would go with Sonic CD as the darkest because of the boss and game over theme (US version). I was unable to sleep properly for a few weeks after hearing the themes for the first time. Edit: Oh no, the boss and game over theme from Sonic CD (US version) is in Sonic Origins.
Man if they really put the money into that great battle scene, it would’ve been just like endgame. Giving everyone their own time on camera to use their unique skills to destroy enemies. It would’ve been a spectacle.
I have replayed every single level of every single Sonic game I have ever played at least once. Excluding Classic Sonic in Forces. Classic Sonic's handling in this game is so incredibly bad that I have never replayed a single one of his stages since I beat the game. *Not one.* This game's awful physics have killed me more times than any other platformed despite the actual level design being by far the easiest I've ever seen in a game I've played in full. And Classic Sonic is the worst part of entire package.
Excited for the Sonic Frontiers experience Something I think should be in the game which could kinda be annoying is stamina Like how does sonic run for so long without getting tired You could pay like 200 rings in a sort of skill tree to upgrade your stamina And the last upgrade just makes your stamina infinite
Ive seen people speedrun this game in about 58 minutes….let that skink in…this game is so short people have beat in in less than an hour and this was the game 4 years after lost world
The issue isn't that it's short. The issue is the level design isn't engaging or creative enough. On average, that's the amount of time you can speed run the classics. The difference is with those games, they require skill/ memory to get those times instead of "boost to win"
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you're doing shadow the hedgehog next because let the horrible games continue no even sonic adventure 1
if you want a good sonic game play sonic generations
Which one is worse:
06 or Forces
Anyone is welcome to respond
My life is better because you play Sonic games. Thank you so much Choctopus.
Choc play Sonic Unleashed Xbox and PS3 version
What I really hate about this game is the implication that nobody other than Sonic himself could deal with Eggman whatsoever. Like as soon as Sonic is captured all hope is apparently lost until he's found out to be alive again
Exactly! And what was Shadow doing for those months that Sonic was gone? It’s a shame, cause it was the perfect set-up for Shadow to be the one to break Sonic out of prison and help start the revolution which could’ve been cool
Probably because Sega keeps all the spotlight focused on just Sonic unfortunately. I mean when was the last time Tails or Knuckles were playable in a mainline game?
@@Tom-vg6td *Cough* 06 *Cough*
@@thetakerofknees9737 Exactly. 2006. It's been almost 20 years since they were playable.
Shadow, Tails, Knuckles, and Silver can protect the world but Sega writes these characters like they don’t know how to fight.
The best thing about Sonic Forces is the fact that someone at sega thought the best way to promote the game would be to do a collab with hooters. That one fact is better then the entire game.
HUH, SINCE WHEN?!?! HOW THE HELL DID I NOT HERE THIS.
One piece collab when
That's really cool but at the same it's sad cause they should have focused on the fucking game instead of god damn hooters even though it's funny I thought forces was good
@@TheSpeedfoever On the contrary, I feel like they should have focused more on Hooters. That would have gotten me more interested in the game.
@@svenandersson4554 But Rouge is in the game.
I love Shadow and Chaos being advertised as big threats and stuff, and then you *never even fight them*
Shadow is gone for no reason for months and then comes back to fight the boss fight we were supposed to.
@@Olivia-dg4fb AND takes it out in a single hit XD
@@Skillfulstone Yes! Like fucking Zavok or whatever is name is was a boss and so was Metal and it took multiple hits to kill them... but chaos and Shadow go down one hit?!?!
for a second i thought you were talking about the chao garden
We got baited man. They wanted to capture our interest
I like how he failed half of the double boost mashes but didn't even realize because it literally doesn't matter
And he thought the last Double Boost was important because it had lyrics...
...they all do, if you don't fail them!
@@AMDeZani its sad because that song is a vibe
How do you even fail a freaking button mash
@@Kimarnic I think he thought it was a quick time event that's the only explanation I could think of
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Knux is completely right about the “that’s why it’s called war” bit. War actually derives from a word that roughly means “worse”.
Never forget that Knuckles led hundreds and thousands of men and women to their deaths in a plan he took 5 seconds to think of.
Sounds like something ken penders would make knuckles say lol
@@WildWeavile And that's why the writers got the boot. They should've been fired after the higher-ups got a look at Lost World's script.
That fact makes me feel a little "warse"
A surprisingly smart take from Knuckles of all people
I love how this game emphasizes teamwork and friendship, yet the Resistance couldn't do jack shit until Sonic arrives.
It's like the game forgot that all of sonics friends were competent or something.
This game should have been you playing as all the other sonic characters going on a journey to save sonic.
It’s like the game forgot that the other characters are actually really strong and a portion of them are stronger than sonic
@@Executioner1231 They're all strong, but only Shadow's stronger than Sonic.
This game is gay just play it and you’ll see what I’m talking about
My favorite part of Sonic Forces is when Tails goes "Sonic was kidnapped months ago and he's being tortured every single day!" and then cuts to Sonic busting out and goig "LOL! i could really go for a chilidog!" ...Man, you could just feel the pain and PTSD Sonic had at that point
Cried a lot in that part seeing what Sonic had become after what they did to him
THIS, like why even imply something like this if it’s not gonna actually take part in the story? 💀 I wish they weren’t so scared to give Sonic more emotions or let him get hurt. I’d be a lot easier to relate to him + the story would seem more real/authentic. Idk, this game just pisses me off lmao
The only reasonable explanation i can find for him not to be more jaded is that he's just masking the intense ptsd with his jokes
@@deboraluz27or that he is a big optimist and wouldn't go down so easily
@@Ilikesceptile11Nah bro, sustaining 6 months of torture is definitely going to get to someone. At this point, It's just unbelievable that it's not getting to him.
Glad that this part was never in the Japanese version in the first place
Forces is the epitome "interesting idea, half assed execution"
More like quarter-assed.
@@henryapplebottom7231 1/5th assed execution
More like, shut up.
@@AlexRodriguez0407 1/100 assed
1/4096th assed
oh, i just remembered:
there's a character in the Sonic comic books named "Whisper".
she uses a Wispon weapon, and she has a special mask that lets her talk to her wisp friends.
AND she almost always speaks in a whisper...
the only comic I've personally read where she raised her voice was a one-shot comic where she met "Jet the Hawk" from Sonic Riders, and she yelled "BE QUIET!" at him.
What does this have to do with sonic forces
@@Dukk2007 the "avatar" in this game uses something like a Whispon...
can you make whisper in forces?
Yeah, she’s one of my favorite characters from the comic tbh
"Plain oatmeal with nothing in it" is probably the best description I heard for this game honestly.
That is legit my feelings for Forces in six words.
Literally the music is the only thing good about this game.
@@lillyhilana666 aside from the classic sonic music, those are a fucking nightmare fuel to listen to
@@EBlade3529 Oh, I just meant the vocal tracks and some boss fight tracks. The rest is mid at best.
@@EBlade3529 death egg bops tho
For me, that plain oatmeal can be enjoyable at certain times, but it lacks an impact of taste that it would have if it were given more time to prepare, no fruit or spices or heck even any sweeteners to, well, sweeten the deal of eating this overall bland package that isn’t served in a broken dish, yes, but lacks a lot more to claim as it’s own to make it stand out from other oatmeals i’ve had in the past. TLDR; i’ve stretched this metaphor as much as i can, Forces while not broken lacks a lot to make it stand out and plays with concepts that end up not adding much to the already stale package.
Honestly forces is probably has some of the most wasted potential out there. Sonic could have been jaded and hopeless from losing and being tortured and the oc could have inspired him again. Tails could have become the leader, proving his ability and why sonic trusts him and with sonic out of the spotlight the side characters could have finally gotten some development
This game in general highlights how awful the writing is.
And how unimportant all the characters are, like Sonic go defeated… and? You do realize we have the likes of Shadow and Silver who are just as strong if not stronger than him right? And that’s without counting all the other characters that can stand on their own like Tails, who went from a brave kid able to stand on his own and even fight Eggman head on to a coward that cries when Sonic isn’t around….
Also how Chaos was just wasted not even having a boss.
Or how much of a joke Infinite was as a villain.
Sonic being tortured was a mistranslation, on the contrary. That alone shows how rushed Forces was.
you should see Sonic forces: Rewritten. It’s a fan made remake that you can’t play but it feels like the maker of the video actually put effort into it while the original feels like a rushed piece of crap
@@buisnessman1237 yeah its pretty good
that would have given Sonic unnecessary depth all while threatening his core personality. we don't need another "Metroid: Other M".
look at Mario. Sonic games need to be simpler, not more complicated. Sonic has the potential to be really simple: Sonic Mania, the two movies and the recent animated efforts (Mania Adventure and some other Tyson Hesse's works for Sega) showed it. and for the love of God, have him talk less. mute Classic Sonic in Mania Adventures is a great character, the "show, don't tell" rule should always apply there, or at least as often as possible. unnecessary speech makes things more boring, slower, and more chaotic, and often fails to convey emotions or intentions that can only be transmitted through well crafted gestures, expressions, behavior or postures. (so many expressionless faces in this game, so much exposition, even during the actual gameplay, it's disgusting and irritating)
moreover, Sonic never gives up: he's supposed to be an unstoppable force of nature clashing with an immovable object (Eggman). wind doesn't need motivations. I don't want to see a depressed Sonic, that'll be the end.
for me personally, sonic forces meant a lot at the time that i played it. i was in the worst depression of my life by far. genuinely thought i was going to become homeless, so i bought it on a whim as a sort of last comfort, and it brought back a lot of memories of being a kid, making a ton of sonic ocs (and turning the tokyo mew mew girls into sonic characters. but thats unrelated), comics, sprite edits, etc. i played it obsessively and at the time to me it felt like a miracle. was sonic forces actually a technically polished game with good writing and gameplay? probably not. i havent played it since 2019. but i had a lot of fun playing it, so i really treasure it. even if the character creator actually kind of sucks in retrospect. anyway i think a good sonic game is whatever you feel in your heart :]
Are you doing well right now?
oh yeah, that was years ago lol@@guntherhuemer1767
I love how despite the others saying sonic was tortured ruthlessly he still is like energetic and cheerful still.
That just proves how badly Pontac and Graff messed up sonics character. Yes the meat of sonics character is that he’s a cocky hero that loves helping others and plays by his own rules, but he’s not like that all the time! If this was the sonic of SA1 and SA2 the hedgehog would’ve lost all hope.
That's because he was never tortured. That line is a localization error.
@@retron99 that’s a good point. But in a non mistranslation error version I think knuckles says something like “sonic is going through a living hell.” So that doesn’t change the fact that sonic is out of character here.
@@ineedbootlacestobeready8521 The game tried to be edgy and serious yet it was as sharp as a butter knive with these implications/statements that folks are dying, Shadow is back to a being brutal (again) and Sonic is "dead" yet it was all without substance or lasting meaning. Sonic literally spits out a meta platitude about working together to make the world a better place only for him and the OC to abandon the Resistance to go adventuring while everyone else cleans up and rebuilds the world (At least its a good metaphor for how Sega have been treating the cast for well over decade in the core "3D" games lol!).
Honestly Sonic Forces is more of a shallow parody of edginess that fails to truly understand why folks find the "edge" appealing.
@@lynxfresh5214 well said!
If you ever feel useless, remember that chaos appears in some cutscenes but hasn't a boss fight
Are you telling me that all this time I had a false memory of an giant Chaos 0 Boss Fight in this game?
@@mjmelo9203 Yes
@@mjmelo9203 must've confused him with Metal Sonic or smthing
@@T3rr4T3rr0r It's probably the case 🥲
I heard someone talking about if there WAS a Chaos boss fight, it would be entirely 2d side scroll because it's Classic Sonic that fights him.
It's always confused me how Sonic Characters can apparently breathe in space but also drown underwater.
Oh that's easy, there's no water in space
It's because they have trees inside of them instead of organs and a skeleton
@@FoxDen_System please explain how that works
@@Welcometomybarbeque Sonic ate seeds
@@WelcometomybarbequeI mean unlike space water isn’t entering your lungs
I’m pretty sure they ended up reusing the same engine they used in Lost World, which ended up making most characters feel more heavy than they should be.
No I’m pretty sure they made a completely new engine for this game, which took too much development time which is why this game came out so half baked
@@tehCostHD didn't they also only have a bit over a year as well?
@@Blue-fg8vt it wouldn’t surprise me. Sonic frontiers has had 5 + years so I actually have hope this game could be good
@@tehCostHD You're thinking of Hedgehog Engine 2. That's a graphic engine, not a physic engine.
@@MegaGlassguy oh, so what physics engine was it?
I love watching other people play Forces just to see how funny or awesome their OCs can be.
That's the only redeeming quality about Forces, the character creator! And... That's it.
Ill boot up my PS2 to play Jak & Daxter 1 for the rest of it. Fuck that non-sense!
@@haaxxx9 fuck yeah jak and daxter, fuck yeah sonic the hedgehog. you are a way past cool.
i've recently seen one or two that look like Amy Rose!
1:45 nearly gave me a heart attack! It was so out of place and unexpected!
Old movie sonic is the new creepypasta
4:58 Naaah this scene is even scarier
@@theprincemonster7575 Nah I Don't Get How Thats Scary
@@theprincemonster7575 More like straight up disappointing
Colours was praised for its level design, but the reception became colder when fans noticed the terrible jokes from this era of Sonic originated there and that not every act was a hit. And that was before the "Ultimate" version added a whole bunch of bugs that weren't in the original, some of which were either borderline seizure inducing or like having light mode with max brightness.
Not to be a contrarian, but if not every act is a hit (as in, 2 out of 3 sucks on average), I wouldn't really say the level design was that great overall. Sure, there were some creative environments and a few good levels, but the entire game was clearly struggling to pad itself past the 2-hour mark. And as such one of the big reasons I'd say the reception has grown colder is not just the writing, but also how the devs somehow never found a way to improve on their design philosophy and as such the glaring design flaws only became more prominent over time, both in Colors and the following games (Generations is arguably the one exception by virtue of its development starting at the time of Unleashed, but it isn't entirely without fault, ironically most agree that the Colors stage is the lesser level despite following the overall design of that game).
It’s funny that 10 years ago pretty much everyone loved Colors, many fans called it one of the best if not the best Sonic game. People used to praise the wisps, the comedic story and Sonic being the only playable character. Now these are all things the fanbase hates.
@Casswury Unfortunately, no. You do need to get through all 6 acts to progress in the original as well, that was not an issue created by Ultimate. The only extras are the Game Land levels. And I must disagree, Colors has some of the most inspired level *themes* in the series but its design philosophy is not that great. Blocky platforming, automated spectacle to the max (Starlight Carnival Act 1 being the most guilty of this, half the stage plays by itself), yellow spring autoscrollers and of course the infamous "stand on switches and wait" levels. In every world, you'll get 2 good acts and the rest is padding. A shame, as the result is that the game does not take enough advantage of its unique zones as much as it could.
@@bulb9970 even back then people were saying that the dialogue was bad in Colors, the vitriol has only increased because every other game afterwards seems to highlight it more because their dialogue is even worse
It's worth mentioning that Colors came after nearly a decade of mediocre to terrible Sonic games, the fact that it was halfway decent meant it got lauded with praise.
10:15 no, you nailed it. It's the exact opposite of '06.' 06 was an ambitious dumpster fire of a game. Forces feels like a phoned in homework assignment at the end of the semester when you know you already have a B in the course. They didn't even bother pricing it like a AAA game, $40 with some DLC that became free because wtf charges for Super Sonic?
Which is a shame because as you point out, infinite is a great design and a Sonic OC creator is the most genius thing for the community since the Chao Garden.
Like everyone else, fingers crossed for Frontiers.
In six months: "Boy Frontiers was sure bad, hopefully the next one is better!"
@@ArchibaldClumpy shocking plot twist: it isn't
Oh boy sure hope the next one is better!
@@AlexRodriguez0407 At least 06 has fun glitches and good writing, Forces has... nothing
@@eway44 talking about frontiers, if I were to predict it based on the gameplay so far it's more of a forces than an '06
Honestly I'm hoping more for an '06 because that would be something I could laugh at
The worst part about Infinite is not only is he wasted, he’s then revealed to be a whiny emo baby who’s just salty because Shadow won’t notice him.
The thing that upset me the most in this game was how threats were handled. While there was display and dialogue of how dangerous Eggman had become and how powerful Infinite was, there was never a need to use or seek out the Chaos Emeralds? Even without Sonic, they would have been useful considering Knuckles and Tails could go super as well as Silver! And by the final fight there could have been about 6-7 Chaos Emerald powered characters ready to beat up the enemy forces (Both Sonics, Tails, Knuckles, Silver and Shadow, 7 if they chose the OC to be able to get the power of the Chaos emeralds.) But instead it was an afterthought that they put in later as DLC, and only for the two Sonics.
I'm pretty sure 3D Tails and Knuckles can't use the Emeralds. But your point still stands, why the fuck do they never even _mention_ Chaos Emeralds in this game? Even a single one can be used to distort space-time!
There was DLC for Forces??
@@arrontheprotogen9276super Sonic was day one dlc and not included in the base game
If I'm remembering right, (and correct me if I'm wrong since its been a bit since I heard this) some of the main reasons this game ended up mediocre was due to Sega rushing development and both the director and the level designer never working on a sonic game before. Could explain why everything feels so uninspired and bland.
It sucks, cuz the idea of Eggman finally winning and making your Sonic OC cannon are good ideas, but wasted on such a "meh" product.
"..some of the main reasons this game ended up mediocre was due to Sega rushing development.."
Oh Sega, did we not learn from '06? Goodness, lol.
The funny part is remembering how certain people were that this game would be amazing because the game was delayed and missed the 25th anniversary in 2016
"They're taking their time to make sure the game is good, they learned they can't rush these games anymore!" That sure worked out well
And Infinite’s a mediocre villain but his backstory was bad.
one of the level designers worked on sonic lost world though
@@BruceLigno "We got it guys, we learned from our failure with 06. We won't ever add any other playable characters than Sonic again and we won't ever attempt at making a complex story either. I'm sorry, what? Don't rush the game? Nonsense, that had nothing to do with our failure."
3:32 You got that right! Most people seem to not realize or forget that Sonic’s design was particularly inspired by Felix the Cat.
If they had kept Sonic being alive a secret until the end, kept Classic Sonic out of the game, made the levels longer, and added actual missions to the game where you had to help the other main characters gather supplies and intel and help them sabotage shipments and whatnot, made Infinite much more menacing, had area bosses in ascending difficulty levels going from Zavok to Metal then Chaos then fake Shadow, then have Sonic be rescued near the end but too weak from hunger and torture to defeat Infinite, making your character the one to beat him instead, it would’ve been an awesome game.
"If they had completely redone the game, it would have been an awesome game"
It's funny because it's true
Literally everything you said would have made this game 100% more bearable
So make an entirely different game? Yep makes sense. No really it does
Also like make it so in the levels you are not boosting in a straight line. Thanks
If they simply just made it based on the Sonic Comic/Sonic SatAM freedom fighter storyline it would be significantly better.
Choc: “Chaos coming back is like…so awesome. But I feel like it’s wasted potential.”
Literally just 5 minutes into the video: *_*Chaos gets dripped on by classic Sonic, and never showed up again for the rest of the 31 minutes*_*
and not even in gameplay. They brought back Chaos just to have him die via cutscene.
@@Triforce_of_Doom " Hey, adventure fans,
remember Chaos? remember how menacing and unstoppable he was?
look at him now- oh. he's dead...
*what a shame huh?* "
" anyways here's the Sonic From Another Dimension!! "
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Between Sega listening to Adventure haters (as well Sonic haters in general) for years, Sega cancelling Adventure remakes on two separate occasions and ofc the shameless as well as shallow bait in Forces (Chaos). It's actually quite disgusting how Sonic fans whose favourite games are the Adventure titles have been treated tbh.
Like S3&K is my personal favourite Sonic game but this constant "classic era" pandering at the expense of screwing over the "Adventure era" ("Classic" Sonic literally one-shot Chaos like it was nothing) only enables the divisions in the fandom and causes more problems in the future with mixed messages between Sega and the Sonic fandom.
Yeh.
In those few seconds, Chaos 0 looked awesome
Menacingly approaching Tails with his wet footprints visible in the dirt. Really giving off an air of creepiness
... Then he just evaporates underneath Classic Sonic
20:18 hitting us with the OVA references are how you know Choc is a real fan.
the fact he played the ENTIRE GAME and the video ended up being 36 MINUTES REALLY sums up how this game is like
It really doesn't. Choc spent almost the same amount of time with Sonic Generations as the N. Sane Trilogy.
Well he did cut out a lot of it.
@@quangamershyguyyz7166 It's still very short, most levels don't even need you to play, you could quite literally do nothing but boost..
@@fuckthisstupidasshandleshit There's still roughly 20 minutes of difference between this and the Generations video; and even then, Gens is considered a quick game, just not as ridiculously fast as Forces here (seriously, there's levels that don't even last a minute)
The 06 video is probably a closer comparison, but that game is a glitchy mess.
@@extremmefan7305 Choc's Sonic Generations and Crash 4 videos are the same length, yet Crash 4 is much longer.
Honestly Tails doesn’t do jack shit in this game, especially when Classic Sonic took down the Egg Dragoon and Tails says, “We did it” even though he didn’t do anything
the only thing Tails did was cower like a pussy against Chaos in BASE FORM. Let it be reminded Tails was able to take down an UPGRADED version of chaos ON HIS FREAKIN' OWN
Chaos 0 manhanled Knuckles and SILVER in the forces comics and trashed Knuckles in Sa1 of Super Sonic's story
@@EBlade3529 they just evolve backwards, character development wise
@@docplays6508 Much as it hurts me to say it, my expectations are REAL LOW for Frontiers just due to sheer fear they're gonna screw it up like they did with Forces
He was too busy with his Wii U gamepad
11:10 There's actually an episode of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog where a snake eats Sonic and then spits him out and Sonic is like "Sorry buddy, should've warned you about my quills!"
God this game was rough, I played through the entire thing in 3 hours waiting for it to improve, never did
What I'm annoyed about is that we NEVER get a chaos fight in this game, The zavoc fight is decent, metal's boss is just something to clone off of some of the infinite fights, and honestly, I was glad to see chaos again
But I wanted to fight it
Sad how they destroyed amazing characters like tails, remember him from adventure 2. He was an amazing character
Even he seems to think so lol
How? Tails was a coward long before Forces.
Thank you Ian Flynn we say in unison
Shadow has always been my favorite character. Not because he's an edge lord. But because he has his own goals. He doesn't do what's right just for being a hero. He does what he wants and I liked that as a kid and an adult. Also I really like Shadow The Hedgehog game. Even with all of it's problems. I still love it.
Shadow's not even a villain. He was only a villain for like one game. So that's another neat thing about him.
Characters who have their own goals but still end up doing the good thing are more interesting that "I am always good and nice because I'm the protagonist"
I feel the same with all of this
@@joosoo i mean sonics a little more than that but I understand where you’re coming from i guess
He doesn’t even have his own goals though - sometimes people say this about him, and I find that weird. He’s just a hero doing the right thing for the right reasons.
The main issue I have with Forces is how they punked Infinite. He would've been my favorite villain in the series had they just given him a better backstory and send-off.
Hell, I have my own rewritten backstory for him where he went insane because Shadow killed all the jackals but him and left him to suffer, filling his heart with bitterness until his innate bloodlust took over his mind after becoming who he is now.
That’s effed up, but better than what they actually made his backstory
my revised backstory was that he has multiple run-ins with shadow, and his constant losses ruined his reputation as a mercenary. basically, the encounter in the actual game would be kept roughly the same, but with added context to show that this was the last straw in a long line of failures
oh so we are telling our own rewrites for infinite ok then
for my rewrite infinite or zero and the custom avatar are brothers manly because i kind of saw them as brothers so it can work for the story anyways in the rewrite zero and rookie are brothers and they lived in a small village there whole childhood wit there parents until one day eggman attacks the village eventually sonic shows up and fights eggman after the fight eggman leaves but because of what eggman did zero and rookie lost there parents from the attack and are dead years later zero forms his own vigilante group called jackal squad zero tells his brother that he will be gone for a while but he will return later on jackal squad go out and fight eggman but they get outnumbered and eggman makes a deal to zero join him or die with your team zero doesn't want his friends to die so he says he will work for the doctor then weeks later they are in the jungle protecting a underground lab then suddenly eggman tells jackal squad that a black hedgehog and robot have entered the base zero tells his squad to go after the hedgehog he can handle the robot after a while zero destroys the robot but his team haven't called back yet until the hedgehog appears reveling to be shadow with no time wasting zero and shadow fight shadow wins the fight telling the jackal that his team are gone and that his nothing to him the jackal goes into a coma shadow leaves the base eggman shows up brings zero into the lab and begins to experiment on him with the ruby calling him infinite
Jeez, an edgelord making another edgelord... Wait, am I right?
@@NX_K what you mean by that
Shadow really is the most important thing to happen in the sonic franchise. He ties alot of things together and brings more potential to different stories without sacrificing speed based game play. Things sonic wouldn't necessarily have happen to him. Shadow's presence brought the black arms which started the comic about his alien family in the comics. Shadow is a relative of Eggman and brings importance to that family through Gerald and Maria. He is a different look into how the power of chaos emeralds can work. But there's alot of characters that try to either take his power or hate him, like Eggman making thousands of robots and androids of him but they still can't match him, being sonics rival but at the same time his different perspective on what is good or evil, being the living weapon of black doom or G.U.N., being the direct result of mephiles coming to power or infinite attempting to slander him by use of illusion to sonics crew. He has directly and indirectly caused alot of things to transpire, but at his base, he's just a guy that wants to do the right thing even if it means hurting people along the way, though his personality would suggest he is arrogant at times and yet calculated. He cares very much about a little girl that didn't get to live past 8 years. And he blames himself for it, because he was supposed to be her cure, but since he was alive, he unwittingly became her doom.
Fun fact depending on what species you choose for the custom character each has a passive ability
I received this game as a gift, so I played through it because I didn't want to be rude. It was a mixed bag. The Modern Sonic stages were really fun, the OC stages were mediocre, and the Classic Sonic stages were painful. The soundtrack was fucking great though, especially Infinite's songs. I still listen to the OST on a routine basis.
11:52 btw the Switch version I received had free DLC for Joker's outfit from Persona 5, so uh...you're not that far off
Ok
for yet we still have not got persona 5 on switch
31:55
im sorry, im dead,
I think sonic forces was so almost good, but every level ends right as it gets fun. And all the characters lost their personality.
Ok
Yea
its just mediocre its not bad
@@nicolalama2562 No no, it really is bad. You want an exemple of a mediocre Sonic game? Secret Rings. But this.. ''Forces'' .. is legit a very, VERY bad Sonic game.
@@Maubari forces is way better than secret rings
Literally the only thing I like about this game was the fact that we got a fully playable shadow. At a time where sega didn’t feel confident making Sonic’s friends playable again, it’s nice to see one of em get the spotlight (even if he is a reskinned sonic, but tbf, he was also a sonic reskin in adventure 2 so)
The only things I like are A concepts on paper and B gamer hat.
@@henryapplebottom7231 gamer hat is a very important addition. Gotta make sonic team know that we’re gamers
Just gonna throw it out here: Sonic 06 was fucking amazing in making the other characters playable. Every single one got a completely unique moving and attacking set. Shadow felt both like Sonic and his own at the same time, like he was created to be, silvers moveset was fucking nuts for that era of gaming and even Amy, Rouge, Blaze and Knuckles had their own levels of playtime
At least in adventure 2 he had his own special abilities
@@davemarin7340 Silver was definitely the best part of 06. Great platforming.
I love how he only managed to successfully perform 2 double boosts and the triple
I remember being so disappointed that they don't even show Eggman taking over at the beginning. Same goes for fading out of cutscene into a sequence of dialogue boxes.
Also correct me if I'm wrong but didn't this game say at one point that Eggman tortured Sonic for months?
They did, but only in the english localization. Same thing with the "Tails has lost it" bit. The english writers wanted to spice things up not realizing that if we don't see those things then it's just lies.
yep but that's only in the English version apparently, same goes for the "Tails has just lost it" line. Guess they were tryna spice things up and failed miserably at putting a serious tone in a Sonic game
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20:50 I kind of liked our OC being tired during that scene. Like they can clearly keep up with Sonic, but he's been doing this for decades and we kinda just started yesterday so of course we'd be tired as hell.
The hardest thing to do in Sonic forces is to make the levels last more than 3 minutes.
My opinion on Forces is that there's no one terrible thing about the game, it's just that as a whole it's really mediocre. Levels are simple like Sonic Colors, but lack the creativity of Sonic Colors' environments which I feel was what made Colors so good. The music is pretty good, but a lot of the songs feel either out of place or can just miss the mark at times. All the playable characters feel like they were butchered in terms of controls. Lastly, the story is trying way too hard to be taken seriously.
I don't think any one of these aspects on their own made Forces bad, it's just all of it combined makes it one of the most forgettable Sonic games in a while.
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@@playerback7722 I don’t think the story can’t be taken seriously. It’s more that SEGA doesn’t want to do it because they want a goofy Eggman.
i agree. i just finished sonic forces and honestly it was nowhere near as bad as i thought it was going to be. even though in the grand scheme of things it’s nowhere near a great sonic game i was still able to find enjoyment in it.
8:57 so you see,sonic cant breathe in underwater because there's water blocking the air, in space there's nothing blocking said air
i cant found the funny copypasta :(
6:58 I love the fact that you took the time to make a fake job subscription just for a joke. You are really are the best
Ah yes. A 1 minute level. Quality level design from… 3 people.
It's a Sonic game. Sonic games are supposed to be fast. I'm not saying this game is good, but you're not making a very good case against it here.
@@kindwolf7700 true, true. But I also like gameplay. I don’t like hold (insert boost button here) to win.
1 worked on Lost World, and the other 2 never worked on a Sonic title before, that explains everything.
@@kindwolf7700 doesn’t mean levels can’t be longer, look at unleashed. You go hella fast and levels are always around 4 Minutes
@@kindwolf7700 sonic generations stages go fast, but they're not 1 minute long.
I'm glad we get more of Choc's adventures in Sonic's sub-par games, lol! That Sonic 06 playthrough made us laugh a ton, and I can't wait to sit through another one. :)
33:14 Frontiers foreshadowing
I love how Choc read my mind
I said "Sega is doing better in the movie industry then actual video games"
Choc then said the same damn thing
My only real complaint about the 'Avatar' is that they stick out too much. That Biafran poster-child torso is the worst offender. Not _one_ character in the series is that thin, so what prevented them from giving you a few different body types to choose from? Not like they couldn't just weight the one or two shirt models they retextured a hundred different times to let it adjust to different body shapes.
I've heard they purposely designed the OC's to look awkward so they wouldn't outshine the main cast. I can't recall the source as it was in a video I watched years ago but I think it was quoted from a developer interview.
@@ArtzyZero Yet they failed miserably since most of the main cast are useless exposition machines while the OC does all the work and still outshines them plus some folks got really creative with OC designs which later inspired the creation of an official Sonic character, Whisper the Wolf from the IDW comics.
@@lynxfresh5214 Well the official cast being walking cardboard cutouts wasn't exclusive to Forces, sadly. But design wise in game there is a very clear difference in how the OC characters are modeled compared to the official cast and it was intentional (assuming the interview I mentioned actually happened). That said, they obviously still wanted the OC to be popular otherwise they wouldn't have put so much effort into the clothing options. ^-^
@@ArtzyZero Nah... I understand the walking cardboard cutout point is nothing new, even Generations (The last GREAT 3D Sonic game) suffers from this. As a Blaze fan it made me laugh that a character, who a major part of her popularity comes from the fact she's a princess that actually does her job and gets directly involved in the action (instead of needing to be rescued and/or only cheers from the sidelines like many other fictional princesses) that in Generations she needed to be rescued and then cheers from sidelines during the final battle (alongside most of the cast lol!).
At this point Sega should either leave the cast outta the games to just focus on Sonic OR actually make some of them playable as well as be important to the entire game.
Tl;dr: The walking cardboard cutout compromise needs to go from Frontier onwards (All it does is continually enable the "sONiC aNd hIs UsElEsS fRiEnDs" meme).
@@lynxfresh5214 Oh the way the ended Generations bothered me so much, it really brought down a good game. There's no way any of Sonic's friends would just stand and watch as both Sonic's are being hurt. You could argue the others can't go super but Shadow and Silver are there and they'd absolutely join the fight. Thing is, there was such an easy fix. Just don't have Sonic's friends there. Or if you really wanted keep the 'my friends are my power' moment (because as cheesy as it is, it's always fit the series) have Sonic's friends notice that White Space is becoming unstable and they're forced together. As a group they realise Sonic must be fighting the creature they've seen. Naturally they want to find and help him but the Time Eater is blocking the way with the same barrier's we see in game, so with no other options they're forced to watch. That way them calling out for Sonic to keep fighting without actually doing anything makes sense because they can't physically get to him. (This is just off the top of my head, I'd probably give it more thought if I had too. XD)
I don't think we need another Sonic Heroes (I wouldn't say no to another one of course) but I think a game that focuses on a small group of Sonic's friends would be the best way to go. Then save the side games/party games for including everyone at once, since you don't need a detailed story in that situation and can just focus on fun character interactions. This is (again) off the top of my head but maybe have Sonic and Tails take another trip to Blaze's dimension for some Eggman Nega shenanigans but this time Knuckles tags along after a mix-up or something. They can't get back home until they've beaten Nega and so the adventure begins. You've got two speedy characters with Sonic and Blaze and two more flight/exploration based characters with Tails and Knuckles. So you can have open styled levels like in SA1 where you speed through them in a linear fashion with the speed characters as they pursue Nega's robots, familiarising yourself with how a level looks before exploring it thoroughly for, say the Sol Emeralds, with Tails/Knuckles. You could have each character play a little differently or unlock unique locations in each stage so you've got reasons to switch between the four of them.
(TLDR; Totally agree Generations ending sucked and Sonic's friends deserved better. I want them to try multiple characters again but keep it limited to just a couple per game and save including every character in a game for spin offs/party games, allowing for fun interactions without a complicated story. (The rest of my comment is just 'what if' story rambling.)
6:36 "War never changes" got me absolute laughed my ass off of this edit bro😂, but in the same time it hit me hard with such old school nostalgia from Fallout 4
Being a Sonic fan is rough sometimes, I pray the new fans that play Frontiers after seeing the both Sonic movies get a good game so they don't have to feel our pain. XD
I wound up playing this game with a 'My OC do not steal' character on my first run but then on my second 'run' (tried to 100% my save file, so I created a new character for the achievements and stopped after learning the collectables don't unlock anything.) because I wanted some kind of interesting plot, I made my character an ex-member of Jackal Squad (Infinite's mercenary crew that he ditches in the game) and that he's joined the resistance to stop his boss's madness after their first encounter went poorly. And my fanfiction bias aside, I do honestly think it makes things more interesting.
It hardly saves the game from being dull of course, they completely missed the mark with the story in this game. Promising a grand plot and teasing returning villains, only for two of them to be defeated in cutscenes and to tell the player the story is progressing instead of showing it and of course the awful writing. I remember getting to the credits and feeling unfulfilled, the credits theme is lovely and I didn't feel like I'd earned the right to listen to it. I really, really hope Frontiers is better but I have my doubts and will definitely be waiting for reviews.
11:14: "That's not gonna be fun to digest, hedgehogs have quills"
Almost every Sonic fan out there: "Forces Sonic doesn't."
I like how even on hard mode they feel the need to tell him that rings give life as if people would play hard mode not knowing that
I have literally been asking for this since Sonic 06. Thank you so freaking much, Choc!
This game is what boost gameplay looks like to those who don't like the boost gameplay
List of things Choctopus liked about Sonic forces
The tighter control
Sonic's smoothness
Building an oc
The gamer hat
Infinite's design
The OST
collecting all those rings in casino jungle
Playing volleyball during the final boss
Imo, forces was fun to play, but it was underwhelming how short it was. The story seriously needed a second draft or something too.
Fun to play? It literally played itself and the physics were so bad
@@jasonblack2477 yeah. I said fun to play. I had fun playing it. That's not even controversial.
@@MarkSchmidtTheRecoverySystem Any enjoyment you can get from Forces has been done way better in previous games.
@@SonicTheCutehog Oh, I agree. 100%. I still had fun playing it though. 😅
@@SonicTheCutehog Jesus christ, this guy just said he had fun with it. Why can things like that not be said anymore nowadays with people swarming in to attack them for it? Let people enjoy things. If you hate it, sure whatever but don't let that be the "reason" everyone else has to hate it too.
At first I thought the game was good but after 30 minutes in I felt dead inside
Fun fact: The music at 15:45 Is also used in the sonic mobile game! I don't play the game but but my brother does: and for some reason I might get adicted to that game.
Infinite is another character I really wish they’d do something interesting with instead of just making new characters every time. At this point there has to be 1,000+ Sonic characters.
Yup but first Sega need to learn to properly utilise the established cast and consistently treat them with respect as well as nuance in the games (Something they've failed at for well over a decade now).
If you look closely and peel off the name, you realize infinite is just a dollar store version of mephiles
@@lynxfresh5214 amen. Sonic Heroes is the last time I saw the cast used correctly.
@@AlexRodriguez0407 and Mephiles was them taking Shadow and saying “nah we can go edgier than this”
This man made this game look so easy. He wasn't wrong about the controls and platform levels. The amount of time I almost broke my controller out of sheer rage is unbelievable. Not the mention the final boss, the alien form, really was a pain in the ass. Those lasers threw me off on how slow they were. But in the, I will still remember this game as the second Sonic game I've ever beaten, right after Sonic Colors of course
I mean, the game was sorta easy. Haven’t touched it in a while, but all I remember is that the game was relatively easy to get through as Modern Sonic (boost to win), tricky as Classic Sonic (movement), and difficult as the Avatar (level design).
@@T_Dude honestly my biggest complain is that everything is so easy
@@PLEASEHOLD2 maybe the problem comes from inconsistent difficulty. the easy parts are so brainless that the hard parts catch you off guard. never played the game, but i have had similar experiences
@@Underworlder5 This pretty much sums it up.
Sonic Superstars is harder
Nah you're telling the truth. When generations came out everyone was like "it's ok but colors was way better" 😭 but up until frontiers dropped people randomly switched to saying generations was the best
And some even say Unleashed is the best boost game, after years and years of calling it the worst sonic game ever just because of the werehog
@@viniciuslacerda6046 exactly!!!! 💀😭💀 the Internet be letting everyone choose for them instead of staying true to themselves
@@Picmanreborn yes, and surprise. After people started pointing out that colors story and bosses suck, now people don't like the game anymore
@@viniciuslacerda6046unleashed was awesome
@@ezatron9766 i know
"That's just false advertising!"
- Sonic
The whole series is false advertising at this point
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-From the team that brought you Sonic Generations.
-Most of which have jumped ship to Nintendo.
Yup false advertising indeed.
@@tjreardon8495nah not the whole thing
@@DeltaBlazin 70 percent of the series if im being generous
4:59 you have no idea how badly I wanted Tails to die since he was scared of Chaos ZERO. When Tails fought Chaos FOUR. A far more powerful version than ZERO. And Tails was younger when he beat him too.
sONLc hlEp me
Tails is a scaredy fox in this game but in the others he’s the best Sonic character
I like how when Eggman is ranting to sonic about how it’s impossible to escape null space you can see cubot pointing and silently laughing at eggman as if he enjoys watching him fail and they are more on sonic’s side
You know the game is short because he managed to fit both stories into a 30 minute video.
Yep
No. Choc's Donkey Kong Country videos are shorter than this.
Eh, well the shadow story is like, 3 levels long
To be fair, his Sonic 06 vid is also 30 minutes, and that game isn't exactly anywhere near as short as this one.
The worst part about the game, you have to download super sonic and episode shadow, and episode shadow only has three levels
Also when you run, you start out slow then boost out of no where
Plus, Super Sonic was originally going to be paid DLC, but SEGA backed out of it due to public backlash.
Alt title: Sonic Forces me to play his game.
PD: 5:06 it's me!
Tried playing this game with a clean slate a few days ago, and I just couldn't get through it. Not because it was a very offensive game, but because the gameplay was so bland that I just felt NOTHING playing it. I tried, man.
I see where you're coming from I personally like the game. I especially have the most fun when I speed run through it as I feel that's what the game was made for. Try speed running the game you might have more fun
speedrunning the game is still boring because the levels are not challenging at all
@@wistfulanthophila9317 to each their own
I have sonic forces and here my thing, I don't think it's a bad game it just gets bland after a while. It would have helped if the game was story was better and the game was longer.
27:07 AMOGUS
I guess you could say you were... "forced" to play Sonic Forces
I'm sorry
Gee, haven't heard that one before.
"This might actually be the easiest boss fight in existence"
Electrocutioner from Arkham Origins: Am I a joke to you?
Yes. You are.
to be fair that was intnetional.
Here the bosses are SUPPOSED to be bosses.
6:25 welcome to Rouge The Bat
iirc most of the level design team for this game has never worked on a Sonic game before, so that explains some things.
In a perfect world, we would have gotten Sonic Generations 2 instead.
6:34 This game is way to comedic to be taken seriously by me. I would go with Sonic CD as the darkest because of the boss and game over theme (US version). I was unable to sleep properly for a few weeks after hearing the themes for the first time.
Edit: Oh no, the boss and game over theme from Sonic CD (US version) is in Sonic Origins.
I'd say the darkst sonic games are Adventure, Adventure 2, Shadow and/or 06
*That sonic face in the thumbnail never gets old lol! 😂*
Cum
6:48
The bare hands and bare feet are just part of the Monkey Ball set
“I feel like it’s wasted potential” you can say that about a lot of things in this game
24:10
"But he just got back from the mission,
After getting back to the resistance
After escaping the death egg
AFTER BEING DEAD!"
"Byeeee Taillssss."
Thanks for playing My favorite Mario game for the PS5 choc
27:25
He turned himself into 144p,
funniest stuff I’ve ever scene.
8:54 the reason that he can breathe in space, is due to the fact of which: there is no water to stop him from breathing.
24:49 Man Choc, that felt extremelly personal towards Eggman lmao
He's a big baby in Forces.
@@Choctopus True, can't argue with that
Man if they really put the money into that great battle scene, it would’ve been just like endgame. Giving everyone their own time on camera to use their unique skills to destroy enemies. It would’ve been a spectacle.
Hehehehehe WRONG
reminds me of the final battle of "sonic heroes".
4 teams of 3 attacking different parts of the boss.
5:40 My biggest complaint about Generations was the camera angle. So, so many deaths because i couldn't see past a random half wall.
I have replayed every single level of every single Sonic game I have ever played at least once. Excluding Classic Sonic in Forces.
Classic Sonic's handling in this game is so incredibly bad that I have never replayed a single one of his stages since I beat the game. *Not one.* This game's awful physics have killed me more times than any other platformed despite the actual level design being by far the easiest I've ever seen in a game I've played in full. And Classic Sonic is the worst part of entire package.
Yeah definitely the point you said about the community suddenly disliking Colors after praising it for so long is very true I was thinking the same 😭
Damn I still like colors 😭
No matter what sonic game , the soundtrack always seems to please me.
Excited for the Sonic Frontiers experience
Something I think should be in the game which could kinda be annoying is stamina
Like how does sonic run for so long without getting tired
You could pay like 200 rings in a sort of skill tree to upgrade your stamina
And the last upgrade just makes your stamina infinite
1:44 that scared me
Me too also yea very late reply
Choctopus(Stanley the cat): S rank on my 1st mission?!
Hey knuckles, can I have a raise
Knuckles: no
4:50
Ive seen people speedrun this game in about 58 minutes….let that skink in…this game is so short people have beat in in less than an hour and this was the game 4 years after lost world
Colors speedruns are like 40 minutes so it's nothing new
The issue isn't that it's short. The issue is the level design isn't engaging or creative enough.
On average, that's the amount of time you can speed run the classics. The difference is with those games, they require skill/ memory to get those times instead of "boost to win"
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE yeah that was the main issue
Sonic Forces had an absolute banger of a soundtrack. And thats about it.
So basically ‘06. And I guess some of the levels of forces look pretty nice. That’s the most I can get out of it lol
@@EmmaxoOCE the infinite fight doesnt look that bad i would say
28:41 getting hit in the balls be like: P.A.I.N
Getting hit by a spiky ball at mach 1
This game had a great template for an amazing story. But, of course, this is a modern sonic game we’re talking about.