Apparently from this rewrite for the game, there're 32 stages, 30 that are playable, 12 bosses and 13 playable characters (Team Sonic, Team Dark, Team Chaotix, Silver Squad and the Avatar). Man would this game be hefty.
thats what i've been pondering, not to mention how long each cutscenes would be, which scenes use CG and which cutscene is in-game, revamping models of Elise and the Commander, so on. does this game use the mechanic like Sonic Heroes where each team serve the same function just with different skins? or is it like Sonic 06 where they switch out automatically at certain parts of the game? (which would increase how long each stages would be, considering 06 had puzzles to progress and levels appropriate for each character's skills etc) or is it somewhat like Genshin Impact where they can switch one character at a time in a level? (similar to 06, just with more freedom in choosing the character to play with) Sonic 06 had 13 stages, Sonic Generations had 9, and Sonic Unleashed had 9 stages, Shadow the Hedgehog had 23 stages, but even then all biomes are recycle-able throughout gameplay which would saves space. (like the day-night mode in Unleashed, dark-hero route in Shadow) production wise this would be a nightmare to make, at least by Sonic Team's standard lolol. i don't think they can carry all this weight without a bigger team or a help from third-party ala Sonic Mania.... and maybe a decade (or more) of work. though i may change judgement when Sonic Frontiers come out and see how they develop that game. who knows maybe they've improved over the years and _can_ make games on tier with other triple-A titles and studios.
Its a lot, but if its a lot here because the game makes it seem like something of this scale, like talking about the world being conquered, but we ultimately see little of it
Well when you are basically trapped in an empty purgatory black void that is endless on top to boot…. That really sucks the optimism out of your spirit over time
You could include Big by having a Big the Cat story unlocked after you complete the main story. Big's story takes place in all the environments that we've visited so far in the game, but he's literally just fishing and that's it. It's just a fishing simulator with a crazy Boss Fight happening in the background. You can even hear the violent sound of war barely making itself known past ten second long bluegrass guitar loop that plays on repeat in every level and see the characters fighting infinite's illusions in the gaps between buildings or trees every once and a while. If you somehow sit through this hellscape of a story mode, you unlock a final cutscene where Big is just chilling with the main cast telling them all about this crazy fishing adventure he went on, completely oblivious to the fact that they all just went through the most traumatic experiences of their lives.
The _ONE_ thing I would change about the rewrite here is to have a scene where Infinite instead deliberately _spares_ the Avatar in the beginning. This would be because the sight of the Avatar being left behind and cowering by the other fleeing Sunset Heights residents would subconsciously remind Infinite of himself, regarding how Infinite's own squad abandoned him and his subsequent defeat by Shadow. The rivalry between the Avatar and Infinite could arise later when Infinite sees that the Avatar has not only bounced back as a fighter but is also somehow able to stand against Eggman's and Infinite's combined forces by joining hands in loyalty with the Resistance. This could help serve as a foundation for a foil. Whereas Jackal Squad disbanded and left Infinite when the going got rough, the Resistance stays together in solidarity behind the Avatar even against the collective might of the Eggman empire when things seemed completely hopeless, a fact that would leave Infinite absolutely enraged whenever he and the Avatar share a scene. This wouldn't have to be deliberately explained in the story, of course; as a "Show-don't-tell" demonstration, we could have Infinite be visibly more hostile and aggressive towards the Avatar than he is to any other character. While Infinite considers any other Resistance character to be a nuisance, he instead becomes short-tempered and infuriated whenever he confronts the Avatar. Because of this, any boss fight featuring the Avatar fighting Infinite will have Infinite use obviously more hostile attacks and with greater fervor than any other boss fight where anyone else fights him (i.e. Sonic, the Chaotix, etc). On the flipside, the Avatar himself/herself could slowly piece together Infinite's nature over the course of the story. Obviously, the Avatar would be completely terrified of Infinite even right at the start of the post-timeskip gameplay, but as the Avatar overcomes challenge after challenge and grows as a fighter, they could steadily build up a noticeable bravery against Infinite's abilities and eventually to Infinite himself. Over the rewritten story's progression, Infinite mocks and jabs at the Avatar for having to rely on their fellow Resistance fighters, but truthfully those insults are actually a subtle reminder of Infinite's own bitterness at being left with no one to rely on and his subconscious jealousy that the Avatar has friends he can count on despite being weaker than Infinite. By the penultimate fight, the Avatar pieces this together and ends up being the one to comfort Infinite at the end. After Infinite accepts his final defeat and starts to fade away, the Avatar slowly walks over to him and gently puts a hand on Infinite's shoulder with a gentle smile, not allowing Infinite to pass alone after having lived alone, which Zero accepts wordlessly with a grateful smile of his own right before he fades away with the comfort that at least _someone_ thought that he wasn't truly worthless.
If there's one other thing that I'd change, it's just a little tweak to the final boss. Team Dark should be Phase 2 and Team Blaze Phase 3. That way we get a progression in the number of supers per phase - zero (none of the Chaotix), then one (Shadow), two (Silver and Burning Blaze), and finally three (Knuckles, Tails and Sonic).
If this story were the actual game and that scene was in it I would probably start balling my eyes out cuz things like that are absolutely heartbreaking and also adorable at the same time.
@@TMS-Oddbot Why this hatred for Sega, heck ?! You forget it's because of their fanbase if they met problems those last years ! Fans always want to decide for them (giving up serious stories, giving up playable characters, giving up voice casting... stop already!) ! Seriously, if the fans were more generous with Sega and hadn't rejected everything they offered all this time (constantly shouting "BAD 06, BAD !!!!!!"), Sega wouldn't have wasted potential like Forces! Well... I think Frontiers' story changed your mind.
@@maryafantalia4357 Sega still barely gives a shit about Sonic nowadays, Sonic Frontiers, a triple A release, only had 60 people working on it, and Iizuka had to convince Sega for another year of development, it was supposed to release in 2021 but if that happened the game would have been a mess
Honestly, the idea of Orbot and Cubot controling the Egg Dragoon is both silly and pure alchemy, since they never did very much aside being comic reliefs for Eggman. So having them actually doing a thing is legitimately something you can enjoy from them.
I love how planned out eggmans plan was in this, putting all the emeralds in different places, and that final one in the cannon. It makes him seem so much more threatening
I got it! Big was found fishing at the Chemical Plant and it’s up to the avatar to go in there to rescue him. Once he’s back at base, everyone turns to the avatar and Big and complains, asking “Why rescue him?” The avatar simply gestures to Amy where she gives the excuse that “everyone needs to be safe” and that “it can get lonely at base all by herself.” That way we could poke fun at how people don’t tend to like Big and that we can preserve Amy’s friendship with him. And then he could read all the tutorials, just to annoy the shit out of people who accidentally run into them. Of course there’s an option to them off so that doesn’t happen but I think that would be hilarious. And he’s not mad that everyone’s slightly miffed that he was rescued, he’s just slightly upset.
Maybe make it optional, and if you don’t, he still appears throughout the remainder of the game, aside from the space stages and maybe a cameo in the ending.
I would also like to point out that if they made the game with the buddy system they could have had a really cool post story game with the buddy system. Maybe something where you could play with any duo, maybe add a villain story so you can unlock infinite and Eggman to be playable as well just like in the sonic adventure games. Sega really didn't understand where they did well with sonic otherwise they probably would have considered something like that.
The fact you were able to make Elise an actual GOOD character this time around is a feat in of itself. But introducing her along with Professor Pickle are a good way to emphasize that, yes, Sonic Forces is ALSO a game that's based on the Blue Blur's Anniversary, hence why it could make sense to look back at what wasn't seen before in Generations in terms of story and characters.
Honestly, this was genius. Not perfect, but genius. The emotional beats, the designs, the scale, the callbacks, the memes. My favorite part was how you managed to tie the worlds of all the modern games into one. Also Generations mods are free real estate
God this is great. It's called Forces so playing as an entire force of Sonic's friends sounds amazing. Eggman _has_ taken over the entire world so it'd only seem natural for the group to travel all over the world in levels old and new trying to save it. And it may have missed it by a year but Forces was close to the 25th anniversary so it'd make even more sense for a love letter to so many characters and locations coming back in meaningful way.
I actually love that Amy is the commander because may's most powerful move is her voice, Remember when Amy is the one that help Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2
I find it also gives Amy a bit of weight to her character, too. Stepping up to the plate as the head of the table (acknowledge her!) in the midst of Sonic's whereabouts and fate still up in the air, it really is the growth we'd have come to expect from Amy since SA1, where she stated she was going to get Sonic to respect her.
*FINALLY* You have no Idea how much I've been waiting years for this, but yeah, Infinite deserves alot better and so does this game despite being so rushed last minute.
Imagine if someone makes a fangame out of this. That would be cool. I love the details with the Emeralds: Elise having the blue one like in 06 and Sonic using Chaos Control with the yellow one like in SA2 Edit: I think a change I would do is to put Sonic's beatdown inbetween Silver's Stage and the boss fight so Chaos disappearing from the story makes sense, at least for me
Was hoping someone would catch that! There was actually a reason I gave everyone the Emeralds I did: the blue and yellow were for the reasons you described. The red for the Chaotix was because that's the one they had at the end of Heroes, Green for Shadow because it's his signature Emerald, Cyan for Amy because Blue was taken and I wanted to give her a color resembling Sonic. That left Purple and White, and I figured that White was typically the last one you'd get in the first few games, leaving Team Sonic with Purple.
@@Charriii5 The blue and especially the yellow one definitely made me feel in some kind of way, I don't know, having the same settings for it felt nostalgic. Also I don't know why but I usually associate the white emerald with Eggman. By that I mean, apart from it being the last one, it just feels like the one Eggman would have..... Oh I think I know why. I'm not entirely sure because I haven't seen it in a long time, but it's because of the intro of Sonic Triple Trouble
@@Charriii5 Because Fawful’s Minion put Sonic Forces on his (second) list of favourite Sonic games instead of any other Sonic game (examples: SegaSonic Cosmo Fighter Galaxy Patrol (I mean, then again, because of how underrated it is, nobody would have ever put this little gem on lists of best Sonic games… except for maybe me in the future), Sonic 3 & Knuckles (now THIS is a Sonic game that would be not just in lists of the top 10 Sonic games, but also the top 5s! So what would FM do? He would subvert expectations by spiting its fans by not giving it an honourable mention! Sure, he did put S3&K on his first list of favourite Sonic games, but even with all the great things he used to say about this game, what made things sound more forced is when he decided to insult the soundtrack of this game. Uh huh.), Sonic Advance 3 (& maybe its oldest predecessor Sonic Advance 1), Sonic Jump (at least the 2005 version, the 2012 version can be considered fun, but mainly only as iPhone game standards go), Shadow Shoot, Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity (outside of a bit of Amy’s sexual harassment towards Sonic (and telling him “It took you long enough!”, which, btw, she’s done far worse things before, like, team up with Tails and Knuckles in the super disappointing Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric against Sonic for “locking them in” when it was obviously Lyric’s dastardly idea), I think that while Sonic Riders 1 is also far superior to Sonic Free Riders, this game is so good that it’s the only one where she’s actually in character without toxically feminine outbursts), the Super Smash Bros. games, Sonic Mania (original & Plus), etc) to spite the haters. We remember those times when you collaborated with him (hence the Everything Wrong With Mario & Luigi Series (what’s really wrong with them would have to be that the awesome 2D games of the 2000s got remakes (or, in the words of ExoParadigmGamer, “Reprises” (or “ReBreaks”, mainly Bowser’s Inside Story DX), but I think the dumb excuse why he wasn’t a (top) commenter in this video is because he thinks 3D Sonic games are underrated by bandwagoners of the infamous Sonic fanbase even though their standards aren’t the highest and only got worse after the 2000s.
A fun fact about Knuckles via IDW Sonic: according to the comic series, whenever Knuckles leaves Angel Island, he hides the emerald somewhere (implied to be in a hidden underground temple)
Too bad in the actual game canon he left the Master Emerald out in the open on Angel Island to join Silver in the resistance while Dr Eggman was too arrogant to steal it again lol! (In the Sonic Forces prequel comics). Ian Flynn, Evan Stanley and the whole IDW team have been picking up the pieces ever since, trying to get ALL the characters back on track and for most part they've been successful (even with Sega incessantly breathing down their necks to avoid another Ken Penders situation).
@@lynxfresh5214 I doubt that's a Penders situation issue, more Sega getting more involved in characterization. Penders was more a problem of contracts and inspiration gone rough.
@@amesstarline5482 Penders is essentially the root issue not just for Sonic Comics, but his attitude is at the core of what's all of the modern media we see today "the woke stuff" it's people so arrogant and self absorbed that they insist on the "story they wanted to tell" over the actual characterization, tone, or anything that existed before they and their ideals arrived. And of course Sega doesn't want that, they want their IP to be secure since Japan and Sega in particular already underwent the fiscal collapse and loss of product and company sovereignty that Western Studios are only now suffering for having the same arrogance Sega had back then. It may be an over correction but I think IDW is doing a good job pulling them back from that extreme because of course any IP needs good collaboration with both new ideas being tested and added but plenty of respect for what already exists and some of course minor signs of character growth. Which as I've discussed with Frontiers and Sage, Eggman growing into a father doesn't necessarily mean he has to lessen his evil, sure Sage is now a emotion weak point for him, but concern for her doesn't mean he has to show empathy towards anyone else and she can be on his side giving full support to Eggman, and yet still like Sonic and the others. And since Frontiers mentioned IDW exclusive characters I do hope that Sonic becomes more tied with them because I honestly have missed lot simply due to fiscal restraints or having the wrong console at the time each game was relevant.
Is it just me who thought big would be behind Amy in the arc and go “ are you ok Amy “ and then Amy hugs big and screams in joy “ we won the war “ and big would be like “ what war “
This rewrite really had it all. Plugged up countless Plotholes and inconsistencies, gave the phantom copies purpose. Made Eggman actually threatening! Made Infinite edgy, but with a logical reason! Every Sonic Crew mainstay had an important part to play and you actually leaned into what a world properly controlled by eggman would fall into: mechanized hell. Bringing back the Unleashed and 06 World was god damn brilliant and something I didn't even have in mind as a possible option, but it makes SO MUCH SENSE here. The Cohesion of the world is perfect, absolutely immaculate in this rewrite. The hour i spent watching this was worth it.
Yeah. It could make Mario Sunshine even more infuriating. Seriously, that plot was super fucking retarded, and the idea of someone taking the concept of the plot and making much better just proves they should've actually put time in the story. And don't tell me that "it's Mario, and plot shouldn't be important" because Mario can have decent and somewhat complex plots.
Ironically, by not making Sonic the focus gameplay-wise, you've made the game 10x more enjoyable to play through *and* replay. This is a good frickin' rewrite, Chariii.
I honestly would love a game where sonic isn't the main focus. And his idea of going down the heroes route in terms of team gameplay was so interesting
@@jacknite625 I'd say same, but I've been slacking on purchasing Sonic figures as I grow older, not like I lost any interest in 'em I just don't have the ability to get them most of the time.
To think we could've had like half of this if Sonic Team weren't... Sonic Team... and Izuka weren't... who he is... Unfortunately this script is like 75% stuff that the writers are outright banned from doing these days. Still, a fascinating thought experiment. Analyzing it in comparison to the orignal is a good learning experience from a writing standpoint.
Unfair to pin the blame on Izuka and Sonic Team when it's SEGA stomping down with all the mandates and rules. I mean, Izuka was the one to insist on Episode Shadow being a thing, much against SEGA's wishes.
@@charmyzard SEGA stomps down with *Leila Kobayashi & Jiro McGregor's Mandates 4 Babies* because of those two snotty lunatics from IGN!! Fortunately, *Spencer Wakabayashi & Hideki Anderson's Project 2 Bring Back Shadow & '06* will happen. Eventually... Or perhaps Imagi Studios is currently waiting to be revived, although no-one considers doing such interesting shit because they pick pool parties when they should be helping *Imagi Studios* get back on its fucking feet after fucking shutting down over fucking Astro Boy. Goddamn it!!
With the help of a few mercenary groups… *Leonard Sato & Nobuo Smith* *Terence Fujii & Kenichi MacIntosh* *Sonny Daichi & Hideaki Bernstein* *Olivier Naka & Masatsugu MacLennon* and most importantly… *Fred Sakamoto & Marihiko Williams*
1:08:40 I love the expression Amy is given here. I know it’s only a storyboard - a concept, but I think it’s such a cool way of showing the hopeless and grief for Amy. She’s the commander. She’s the one who’s supposed to keep everyone alive and safe, and now? They’ve lost their rookie. Another tally on the board of failures for Amy. I dunno I just think that’s pretty cool. Plus, it can be shown with how hopeless Amy begins to sound!
That ending was so well done, because you really harnessed the psych-horror potential of the Phantom Ruby and it's Mangekyo Sharingan level powers. When that sound went off after the Eclipse Cannon fired, even though it would have been too crushing, I wondered for a moment "oh no, did an illusion force them to actually fire at the planet and destroy it, and now Eggman's pulling back the curtain, just as they're celebrating?" Deadass, I want to play this game now.
21:10 the key thing is the level of moment to moment decision making. More than any other Sonic game, Forces plays itself most of the time. On top of the short run time, Forces levels are extremely automated and the few alternate paths that exist are extremely binary with a basic homing attack chain being one of the more complex ways to reach a path. When the game isn't automated, what you're doing is either rudimentary platforming in 2d or mindlessly boosting through hallways in 3d or going through yet another quick step/rail swapping section avoiding basic obstacles.
Exactly! Something that I noticed was that no matter what level I found myself in, it was difficult for me to stay still, look at my surroundings and know exactly how far into the level I was. The level design was not suited for the speed with which you traverse the levels, and when you are able to take your time, there's hardly anything actively engaging enough to look recognizable to me.
@@Charriii5 Even if you threw Forces Sonic into more interesting stages from other boost games, it wouldn't really help. Sonic's physics and general moveset are far too limited in Forces. The acceleration curve feels terrible where he kinda "shifts gears" into a rigid top speed, he can barely strafe at high speeds w/o quick step, the double jump's trajectory doesn't feel consistent with his speed, and stuff like the slow fall speed and overpowered air boost completely ruins stages like Mortar Canyon which would've been an interesting level with its down slope design but you jump once and congrats you've skipped major portions of the stage already. Forces is very easy to complete which is why I think a lot of people say it's "not that bad" but idk man this gameplay just suuuucks fundamentally. Possibly the worst feeling mainline Sonic to me.
Oh, my. If THIS was a Sonic Forces we got, it would undoubtedly be THE best Sonic game of all time. Your version of the story, while it could still be improved, gives nearly every single character a fulfilling role and for some a nice redemption, which is amazing. Kudos to your rewrite!
I can’t be the only one that wants this to be an actual game now that this video is up. The story and attention to the lore/ pervious games were highly enjoyable and super fun 10/10 for real great job all around
Small thing, but wasn't Shadow killing the jackals sort of showing what he was ready to go through for his friends since he lost Maria? They're all he has so he would want to protect them, making him go further than most.
Ok, I'm completely sold. Just the way you believed in the story rewrite, and the effort you put into making it true to the characters and the world that was built for them shows that this is some good stuff. On another note, HAS ANYONE HIRED YOU FOR VOICE WORK? CAUSE DUDE, CALL ME MCDONALDS BECAUSE I'M LOVEN' IT! My favorite part of your rewrite pitch was your WONDERFUL sense of character, I really look up to that in you! Sorry, this was long-winded, but I loved it, thank you for making this!
Had a great chuckle when Silver said "It's no use". Very enjoyable story. If the next Sonic game implements even a fraction of this it'll be the best Sonic game storywise automatically.
This definitely would have felt like an aniversary game . Along with that, I liked how you tought about everything that you put in the story and how it connects with pasts games, like locations and team illusion enemies. Good video!
I can confidently say that wow, this was a really good rewrite. Giving each of the characters here a bigger impact compared to the original game was quite the sight to see, especially fleshing things out with bringing in stuff like the comics, which I kinda forgot existed tbh. The storyboards were really cool to see. Can't wait to see if more videos like this come in the future! Keep up the great work.
in the comics, knucles is the "commander" of the resistance, but everybody knows amy is actually commanding and organizing things knucles gets the title but its amy that actually does things really liked the dinamic ngl, they should have gone more into that in forces
Infinite having a red sword sounded like an amazing concept and it is disappointing that we never saw him use it not even attempt changing it with the phantom ruby and even sounds like something that would go well with the avatar being able able to copy that sword
This would bring some interesting battles in the game and give a callback to who infinite was along with adding more to the whispin being technology for their war with egg man
This was incredible, this feels like the script for an anniversary game, and this was awesome, One thing I would wonder was how Blaze entered the story, and the lack of the Sol Emeralds, there's also why Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are the only ones to go Super it, I get why it was just Silver and Shadow as a reference to Sonic 06, but it would've been nice if Tails and Knuckles had Super forms to. But anyway this was AWESOME, and great job dude
I think he only had sonic shadow and silver do so because I think the comics retconned it to only having a male hedgehog be able to unlock a super form
@@Eyrony_ I didn't like that retcon, especially for Knuckles because he's the Guardian of the Master Emerald and is the most familiar with Chaos energy (apart from Shadow) and is part of a powerful tribe.
@@Eyrony_ I really think Chaos Emerald rules should work like this: Chaos Energy can only be used to go Super if you have been around it for long enough. Shadow is part something, part Black Arm, and part chaos energy, so it works. Silver… idk, but he went Super in a different timeline, so clearly he can. Sonic has been around the Emeralds for long enough, and has gone Super multiple times. Tails never went super with the Chaos Emeralds, but by now he’s probably exposed enough. Knuckles could go Super in his origin game, likely because of the Master Emerald, so he could work. All the others have never held all the Chaos Emeralds at one time, so it’s unknown whether or not they could.
@@bobbyscibadee even if they were gonna retcon to where only sonic, shadow, and silver can turn super they could've done better than "male hedgehogs" simply by making it that sonic is the ultimate lifeform, shadow was created to be as strong as sonic and it's implied that silver is a descendant of either sonic or shadow. It would've made more sense than the male hedgehogs garbage.
15:36 even Ian Flynn agrees that Amy should've been the leader as opposed to Knuckles! In the IDW comics, Knuckles admits he's more of a fighter than a leader, and any time Amy is in charge, she CRUSHES it!
My favorite part was Elise, I love that you actually gave her a second chance at redemption I just wish you had her meet Sonic again "It doesn't have to be love oriented" I would have loved to see them talk again
@@jakespacepiratee3740 idk, I feel like Infinite at that point would've been like "Well..I had a good run.." remember how in Avengers EndGame when the Avengers defeated Thanos he sat down and just kind of took his L? That's what I think Infinite would do at at that point
@@IMNTV yeah because Thanos wanted to die at that point. He wasn’t even phased by seeing his future self dying, he saw it as “destiny fulfilled” Infinite has never shown self-loathing or sacrificial tendencies
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Self loathing is there, actually. Called his past self too weak and pathetic to remember. While he isn't calling himself worthless outright, there's dissatisfaction bubbling beneath the surface.
Seems like everyone and their mother has pondered a rewrite of this game's story. What's this take going to be? ... Might be a little too much for Sonic Team today, but yours was still a captivating re-tell. Thank you for that.
I'm sure Sonic Team would be willing to do exactly this (aside from bringing back Elise, Pickle, the Commander and locations from the 2000s games. They would more likely create new characters and places based on those)
This was a fun rewrite, a lot more darker, and tense. For your worries about making the Custom Character and Infinite have a connection, I recommend watching Garrulous64, they rewrote Sonic Forces as well, but in a whole different direction, and added more to the story after the game story, more focused on the CC and Infinite.
Charriii, even if your script has a multitude of fan service and isn’t as developed as you thought it could be, that doesn’t matter. We all still love what you did with the main concepts; It’s still miles better compared to the actual plot of Sonic Forces and coupled with your rewrite of the Super Mario Bros Movie, I think that writing the story for your passion project Soulstar will be a breeze and be just as entertaining. Keep it up my dude!
I think there’s so much depth to be had to Infinite is they continued with the original script of Shadow KILLING all but a single member of Jackal Squad in an effort to save 123-Omega. And having Infinite only survive Shadow’s surprise backup assault being to submit to Eggman’s testing of the Phantom Ruby and a specialized mask? Dude, that setup could go SO FAR! Just make Shadow and Infinite the enemies of each other and have Sonic be more concerned about the root: Eggman. Shadow with a single chaos emerald vs Infinite with the Phantom Ruby. You’ve now got Chaos vs Phantom powers, that alone is so anime and so AWESOME that it’s worth working towards. And that’s just ONE possible route. The story is so barebones that you could make countless rewrites using the basis of Forces’s story and they all have merit. So many routes, possibilities, etc. Back to the video, I just really wanted to talk about how Shadow allegedly killed Jackal Squad in the drafts, and that keeps his anti-hero status strong, but also creates a much grittier, much more emotional connection for Shadow and Infinite, and having THEM have a final showdown. Not Sonic and Infinite, with how they had no real connection at all.
I think the reference heavy stuff fits this rewrite. Forces was first announced the same time as Mania, which was a celebration of Sonic's past-- the beginning. Having Forces call back to the modern era would have been a nice way to create new content while falling back upon previous games in a way that was genuine, through the re-taking of the planet.
I get the biggest smile on my face everytime I see people who actual love and care for sonics characters take a crack at making there own interpretations on how the games stories could have been.
Something I felt would've been refreshing would've been Infinite being possessed with the Phantom Ruby the longer he controls it, showing how dangerous it was to recklessly use such a powerful item. And during the climax of the story, he wouldn't even remember his objective, the reason why he's here to begin with, himself, now that the ruby has full control of him... Infinite would've been a lost victim hired by Eggman and after the fall of the Jackal Squad, only wanted payback against Shadow
@@Charriii5 And one that other fans have actually picked up on too! In the (currently) background notes for Sonic Holograph (it's a Sonic/Hololive crossover and is _actually really fuckin' cool_ despite the seemingly crazy premise), the Phantom Ruby is actually stated to inflict insanity upon its users. And given how Infinite was trapped _inside_ the damn thing ever since Forces (long story), he... didn't end up too swell even compared to his appearance in Forces proper.
@@Charriii5 Sonic’s cowardice (or so lack of, his fear is justified/real) when his friends turn on him (whether it be Amy Rose chasing him down with her hammer because he friend-zoned her, or Tails yelling in Sonic’s face that he hates him for his hero complex and complete disrespect towards women, or Knuckles trying to punch Sonic’s lights) is absolutely nothing compared to the cowardice of the Resistance in Sonic Forces (Us to Defend a Colossal Disappointment Even Though We Never Will) because despite being perfectly capable, they would rather let Eggman (like you said) take over (almost completely) all of the world like he’s Klaus Schwab or Marc van Ranst or Larry Fink whom even at his worst, he’s still pretty tame compared to.
While re-listening to this while working I had an idea for Big the Cat. You mentioned cameos in levels, so what if while earning collectibles in the levels, you got to see Big act out his own side story in the background. Maybe he is just trying to survive or help struggling civilians. Also when you find all the collectibles and 100% the game, you see a final cutscene with Big and Frogie in the Chao garden, maybe with some of the other side characters. This way you give Big some action and give a purpose to the previously useless collectibles. IDK just an idea. Also I'd love to see a rewrite of a modern paper mario game or Sonic generations, these games really bugged me because the stories never truly dive into the characters and explore the interactions they have. Again idk lol. I was really happy to see this though. I've re-watched at least 5 times and you totally nailed this re-write, keep up the great work bro!!!
I think a much more reasonable arc for Silver to experience is the idea that, despite his future being ruined before he came back, he eventually comes to realize that, even though the future is where he belongs, it's not the place he wants to be. Sure, going back to an idyllic future with everyone not being dead is great, but what of it before he came back? He lived in ruin with no one important except Blaze at his side (if we're to take '06 as his true origin) and seeing as how Blaze is usually with him, it's not all that important for him to go back. The future he once knew is no longer the one he goes back to, and it's the people in the past that he finds he truly wants to be with instead of returning to a place where no one knows him or who he is.
Good attempt on trying to fix this game’s unrealized story and even mentioning an idea I had in mind that playable characters should’ve returned in this game. Heck, many of your ideas are what I had in mind. In fact, I wanted to make a video like this, but I went against it because many people hate my opinions and ideas, so I’m glad someone did this anyway.
Why? you would make a great video of it I want you to make a sonic plush forces with a better story screw what they said make forces better than how bad it is. Edit: if your not going to do it that’s fine but I’m just saying that it would be cool and I would want you to do it but if not I can live with it
@@markharbath31X9 First of all: What the hell is this comment? I almost had a stroke from reading this. Second: Charriii5's story is WAY better than the original. I won’t go over why because I imagine you watched the video, but still. Third: Let the man do what he wants. It’s his channel, not yours.
@@ShockInazuma 1 i know it’s not mine I never said that I’m asking why he didn’t do it because of his fans I’m just saying it would make a great plush video to rewrite this shit game
Random idea that popped into my head listening to all this: Make all the loading screens for the first portion of the game depict Sonic sitting around lost and confused in Null Space
Great rewrite. There are some aspects that concern me, though I do understand, but the only thing I would add personally is for Elise to get briefly captured after Team Silver's boss fight, only to follow immediately by Cream getting furious and brutally take down the robot capturing Elise. It's a satisfying moment that pays off Cream an Elise's friendly relationship, but also combines 2 memes into one. Elise getting captured and Cream's hidden potential. I just wanted to add this because Cream's one of my favourite Sonic characters.
YOOOOOOOO the way you so excellently used the Phantom Ruby sound effect from 1:18:06 - 1:18:10 literally had my stomach dropping along with the characters, holy shit. i love it when people rewrite Forces. It had so much potential and though i'm bitter at what it turned out to be, it's really cool to see the multiple ideas the community has. thank you for sharing!
Not gonna lie, I would really love to see this concept turned into an actual game. Heck, it even has the makings for a kickass movie! You really put a lot of thought and care into this idea, and I applaud you for it. =)
This is probably the best and well informed rewritten story from a Sonic game ever. Had this been executed prior to the games release, this definitely could’ve been the best Sonic game to date! Edit: thanks so Much Chariii for creating a phenomenal narrative and analyzing how Forces should have been. Sega as well as Sonic Team need to take notes moving forward.
They should actually learn from the misteps Forces had and actually get somebody who is experienced in narrative. I mean, there's Ian Flynn (that I'm fairly certain he'll have challenges now, compared to how he does in IDW), but I wouldn't mind having Steven Butler taking the helm when the time comes.
Honestly, this is the game I wanted! This felt very character driven vs just reaching the end of level with the clout of a successful franchise (if that makes sense)! I was so taken in with the story that if there were parts I would have scratched my head at I didn't notice! This also raises my excitement for your personal project Soul Star because if you can do this with established characters I can only imagine what you'll do with your own story! I could go on, but seriously, amazing job with this rewrite and I'm happy to see you happy creating!
Crying and screaming in the club right now. Charriii I b e g of you, p l e a s e let me or someone make this rewrite come to life in a written form. A fanfiction following this storyline with the show-not-tell details a writer could add on would be so fulfilling!
I do wanna start a fanfic inspired by the rewrite I have been working on a Sonic fanfic Maybe something inspired as a part 2 of my current fanfiction Or a completely different fanfic with a different OC
I like that rant explaining why Team Chaotix fight Orbot and Cubot piloting the Egg Dragoon; everything about that team is a barely controlled sort of nonsense, so in a way it works. Also, Silver crying "It's no use" just had to show up somewhere, didn't it?
1:12:04 This Scene is Actually Sad yet, Beautiful to See Sonic's Friends happy to See Him Alive, It feels that it Shows that He's not Just there Friend, He's Like Family to them
I honestly love this rewrite, as at times I doubted if the Resistance would win, as everything was stacked up against them. It shows how much potential sonic forces had to be the greatest sonic story ever told, and Charii, you managed to create what sonic forces could have, and should have, been.
Hey charii... watching your stuff makes me smile and brights up my somewhat monotone ( sry if this isn't real english since my native language is german ) day to day work-life. Thank you amigo, feel hugged.
Just to show and mention how much I was loving this When the Resistance came up with the plan to use the Eclipse Cannon to destroy the Death Egg, I very confidently and joyfully said "Yeah!!!" *This* is how you do callbacks and nostalgia. Not forced retcons and shoving the imagery down your throat.
Just want to say that there's so much continuity throughout this that makes me feel so emotional. The interactions with Professor Pickle and him showing that he's just as wise and dedicated to his studies as he was in Unleashed, all the call back levels done in a way that feels story-driven and like a world adventure rather than just for good fan-service, heck even Soleanna and Elise's inclusions left my eyes feeling a bit watery - it just shows that the weight of these character's journeys all add up, that they've been through a lot and they're seasoned veterans by this point. I especially loved the detail that Elise gave Silver the blue Chaos Emerald, just like how Silver gave the same one to Elise in the past version of Aquatic Base, and I can just imagine the introductory dialogue with Team Silver revolving around revolving around "I don't recall ever meeting you before, but your energy seems... familar, somehow" as a nod to Sonic 06 being erased, but the character's consciousnesses retaining at least some familiarity with the events in the games afterwards. One small detail I'd personally include is that during Team Chaotix adventure, they have some dialogue in one of their levels where they blast Eggman for being a hypocrite because he still hasn't paid them, despite taking over the world - a nod to Team Chaotix's final cutscene in Heroes.
This has been a great rewrite (which is essentially a perfect love letter and a good sequel to Generations (minus Classic)) , with a touching yet memorable ending for Infinite. And the added fact that you answered your own question of "Where is Blaze" in your EWW Sonic Forces just takes the cake.
Honestly, I loved this. I thought it was a fantastic rewrite. It may have been a bit much at times, at least in terms of how deep a Sonic game would usually go, but if they made this into an actual game? I'd play the shit out of it. It sounds amazing. Kudos, dude.
Nah honestly I think in order to have a future as a franchise, I think the deepness of this rewrite is where they have to go. Personally I love the tone. It’s not super dark but it has deep implications and show’s characters at their lowest
9:10 As I understand it, the IDW comics take place after the events of Forces. Whisper's backstory in Tangle & Whisper even apparently references the time Sonic was imprisoned.
I think this was a good rewrite. I know some people say, or at least used to say, that Forces was supposed to be a love letter to Sonic, but it felt rushed, there were too much Green Hill stages, and some of the characters felt unnecessary. What you did was not only impressive, but it felt true the Sonic fanbase that I think people would've enjoyed. I like that you had the G.U.N. General, Professor Pickle, and even Princess Elise in this rewrite, because I think that if they did showcase them, it would've been nostalgic to see old characters return in another Sonic game and it would be actual fanservice for the Sonic fans to enjoy rather than just having 9 Green Hill stages. Thanks for the great video and keep up the good work.
@@AlexRodriguez0407 You say that like there have been a dozen Sonic games since then. Besides Generations and Mania, which were great, and Lost World, which was exactly what it always seemed to be, just a weird decent one off Nintendo thing, the only thing left is Forces. In other words, you are only right about 1 single game.
This was an amazing rewrite, I could feel the emotion in many parts and the whole story throughout kept me intrigued hoping to see what’s next. The way you were able to incorporate all characters to have some sort of important role really shows how underutilized they are and with the right kind of people, they can be pretty fun to watch One thing I’d add though is before the time skip to show characters in the cutscene of the takeover actually trying to fight Eggman’s army, only to be outnumbered or easily beaten by the mass amounts of his army (presumably due to the Phantom Ruby), which leads to them being chased off feeling hopeless. I feel like it would better show the kind of power Eggman holds now and why the whole gang wasn’t able to fight everything back like usual.
forces would’ve been critically acclaimed if it were like this. The only thing I would have changed is, after the main end credits but before the Knuckles scene (which would come after /all/ the credits) - The camera pans over the city being rebuilt. Amy, having discovered a passion for leadership, is bustling around, coordinating the effort. Speakers across the city play upbeat music occasionally interjected with encouraging reminders. Infinite - now Zero - watches on. He sees the members of the resistance as they work; it’s hard work, but they are having fun doing it together. He’s reminded of his old group (which we see as a flashback). Suddenly the avatar zips over - and extends a hand to Zero. Zero hesitates, but we hear the radio in focus now, as Amy speaks: “…you can make a difference. It doesn’t matter how strong you are. Or if you’re big or small. Or where you came from. No matter how you help, it’s worth it. We can do this together!…” Zero smiles, and with determination, takes the avatar’s hand, and the camera cuts as Zero stands up.
You hit the nail on the head with the real deal feeling far too casual and disingenuous. Your take was absolutely INTENSE. There was a lot here that, at first I wasn't initially sold by but it shaped together with flying colours.
I love how you handled the Team Chaos part, with the locations and opponents/boss. The out of place somehow make perfect sense, and you have a good mind about putting it all together! smart!
Thank you Charrii! It's nice to see someone re-writing Forces'story and putting as much effort as possible into it! This game will always be remembered for all the potential It had,and just like with 06 It breaks my Heart...
Dude. Your story was 100 times better than the one we got in the game. And a hell of alot more mature while still being T for Teen rated. If only we could get a "Directors Cut" using it as a new script...if only...
I've always been a fan of rewrites, but I also know that it takes a long time to make one. Let me tell you that I really loved and appreciated this one. If this becomes a series, then please pace yourself and take all the time you need.
I think my favorite part of this rewrite is infinite messing with the flow of information between teams( especially infinities talk to team dark using amys likeness ). Even though the phantom ruby is capable of bending reality, forces never used it as an obstacle in the plot creatively.
Love this. That finale had me feeling things. Some extra stuff I personally would have included: Highlight how lost everyone is without Sonic. How the world at large depended on him to always beat Eggman, to the point of taking it for granted and not being able to cope when he failed. This gives the OC a bigger role as he is essentially one of the first to step up, showing both Sonic's friends and even just ordinary people that Sonic isn't the only one who can do this. Even an ordinary animal person with no unqiue abilities like Sonic and co can fight. With Infinite's mask, I think you could add in some light body horror if you're willing. Maybe have his right eye be where the Phantom Ruby is implanted, explaining why it's covered. It would make a sick sort of sense, having a gem that distorts the senses implanted into the space of one of said senses. Maybe have it turn out he was partially roboticised to be able to effectively wield the Phantom Ruby, wearing the mask both as a means of protection and to hide the horror of his disfigured face. It would play further into his lust for power and worth, being willing to sacrifice his body for it.
I would have the ruby feed off of the user’s personality, slowly turning them into only their most surface level character trait. Having Infinite slowly go from caring about his team to caring for no one and just being angsty would be tragic
That's soo good, like, really. The plot got so much better and made so much more sense. The interantions between the different characters were so interesting, it got me really wanting to actually see Silver and Knuckes working together. You writed all of them so in character, I could see them easily doing all of this. I got very involved with the story and it would be so nice to see animated cutscenes like this. Awesome!!!
I always thought it would be sick if infinite and the avatar started as best friends, with infinite's creation being: Eggman has kidnapped two civilians for his phantom ruby experiments. The phantom ruby is attached to the avatar's best friend, causing them to go limp. Eggman presumes him dead, and begins a new test when sonic and company burst in to save them. The avatar's friend isn't recovered, being presumed dead (or "gone" because this is a kid's game) but actually they became infinite, their memories altered by eggman. I really wanted to give them a personal connection to eachother, and I wanted to give meaning to the line of his song "and only scars remain of who I was"
Actually, this was my favorite Sonic Forces rewrite I have heard/read. This just feels... right in a way that not many rewrites make me feel. It's a simple but very effective plot and story structure that is easy to follow. I was literally crying of happiness when Sonic finally met back up with his friends. Props to you Charriii, I would LOVE to play this game if it was ever made. Also, I wanted to say what I think would be great unlockables after beating the game - Super Sonic in regular levels - A hub world that shows how the levels are connected to the world - A short Blaze story showing how she got the Sonic's world - Knuckles' Master Emerald shard quest (for those who want to play it) - Many quests you can do to fix up the world - A small cutscene showing Classic Sonic from Mania walking in Null Space, bored out of his life until the place disappears, re appearing in his timeline next to his buddies Unlockable from getting 100% - The signature Hard mode of the game from the SA2 to 06 timeframe
This rewrite is almost flawless. The only minor issue I have is that Silver isn't that optimistic in the final boss, but other then that I love that the hedgehog trio is apart of the final battle.
Wow… WOW… that was genuinely amazing… I especially love the actual FEELING and EMOTION in this… I genuinely felt happy and relieved in certain moments bc the characters were explained so well and I actually knew what was happening!! Also thank you so much for including ur own drawings it helped me understand where and what was happening!! Keep up the good work dude!!!
I love this, and what you said at the end about a deeper relationship between the avatar and infinite is something I’ve always wanted as well. An idea I had was that they should be written as thematic opposites; as the avatar gets more confident through helping the resistance, infinite becomes more manic and self-loathing over his worthlessness. That way over their interactions you get to see the difference between the two and have an (admittedly cheesy) reason for why the avatar always wins. Then at the end, the avatar extends a hand to infinite/zero as a friend or as a peace offering. Honestly, anything would be better than him floating away like he did in the actual game.
I agree, I’m a sucker for redemption arcs and Infinite/Zero could be a great lesson in self worth through guilt and learning to apologize and accept help. Could be great and I would be totally down to write a fanfic for it
This gave me absolute GOOSEBUMPS! I Loved this so much! The story, the characters, the zones selection, the storyboards, the...everything! This is what I really wanted for Sonic Forces! I truly loved this! Thanks a lot for the video!
As a new Sonic fan, if I skipped the intro, you would've completely fooled me on that actually being the storyline rather than the actual game. My knowledge of the games comes from you with "Everything wrong with-" series and the fandubs (Both are hilarious but your videos are more informative than the fandub), but slowly, with detailed videos such as these, I can understand the games stories and the flaws at the same time!
"Find the computer room" and "It's no use" being worked in there in a normal way is legendary
Facts. Never before have those words sounded so natural. 😂❤
1:00:46 I can imagine Vector taking a BIG inhale before saying the "computer room" line
I can't tell if "find the computer room" is a reference to one of snapcube's fandubs or not
@@Ashly-28 it's an actual quote from the games
@@_antisocialmedia6377ohh ok I've never heard it in the games
Apparently from this rewrite for the game, there're 32 stages, 30 that are playable, 12 bosses and 13 playable characters (Team Sonic, Team Dark, Team Chaotix, Silver Squad and the Avatar).
Man would this game be hefty.
Considering the game was being worked on for 6 years, there's no reason there shouldn't be at least that much
thats what i've been pondering, not to mention how long each cutscenes would be, which scenes use CG and which cutscene is in-game, revamping models of Elise and the Commander, so on. does this game use the mechanic like Sonic Heroes where each team serve the same function just with different skins? or is it like Sonic 06 where they switch out automatically at certain parts of the game? (which would increase how long each stages would be, considering 06 had puzzles to progress and levels appropriate for each character's skills etc) or is it somewhat like Genshin Impact where they can switch one character at a time in a level? (similar to 06, just with more freedom in choosing the character to play with)
Sonic 06 had 13 stages, Sonic Generations had 9, and Sonic Unleashed had 9 stages, Shadow the Hedgehog had 23 stages, but even then all biomes are recycle-able throughout gameplay which would saves space. (like the day-night mode in Unleashed, dark-hero route in Shadow)
production wise this would be a nightmare to make, at least by Sonic Team's standard lolol.
i don't think they can carry all this weight without a bigger team or a help from third-party ala Sonic Mania.... and maybe a decade (or more) of work.
though i may change judgement when Sonic Frontiers come out and see how they develop that game. who knows maybe they've improved over the years and _can_ make games on tier with other triple-A titles and studios.
Its a lot, but if its a lot here because the game makes it seem like something of this scale, like talking about the world being conquered, but we ultimately see little of it
The scale i'd expect from an anniversary game
@@PeanutTechno 6 Years? Where'd you pull that number from?
I just love it how everyone is fighting for their lives while Sonic is moping around in black space
true
Isn't space already black???
Well when you are basically trapped in an empty purgatory black void that is endless on top to boot…. That really sucks the optimism out of your spirit over time
@@superbodoque7860No, it's made of coffee.
@@superbodoque7860its the other meaning of space
You could include Big by having a Big the Cat story unlocked after you complete the main story. Big's story takes place in all the environments that we've visited so far in the game, but he's literally just fishing and that's it. It's just a fishing simulator with a crazy Boss Fight happening in the background. You can even hear the violent sound of war barely making itself known past ten second long bluegrass guitar loop that plays on repeat in every level and see the characters fighting infinite's illusions in the gaps between buildings or trees every once and a while. If you somehow sit through this hellscape of a story mode, you unlock a final cutscene where Big is just chilling with the main cast telling them all about this crazy fishing adventure he went on, completely oblivious to the fact that they all just went through the most traumatic experiences of their lives.
i would pay for this game
Big just randomly shows up in some levels like in Sonic Adventure. XD
That would be the most funny and out of pocket shit in a sonic game.
@@eyadmosleh09
Big’ Big Adventure 6
The _ONE_ thing I would change about the rewrite here is to have a scene where Infinite instead deliberately _spares_ the Avatar in the beginning. This would be because the sight of the Avatar being left behind and cowering by the other fleeing Sunset Heights residents would subconsciously remind Infinite of himself, regarding how Infinite's own squad abandoned him and his subsequent defeat by Shadow.
The rivalry between the Avatar and Infinite could arise later when Infinite sees that the Avatar has not only bounced back as a fighter but is also somehow able to stand against Eggman's and Infinite's combined forces by joining hands in loyalty with the Resistance. This could help serve as a foundation for a foil. Whereas Jackal Squad disbanded and left Infinite when the going got rough, the Resistance stays together in solidarity behind the Avatar even against the collective might of the Eggman empire when things seemed completely hopeless, a fact that would leave Infinite absolutely enraged whenever he and the Avatar share a scene. This wouldn't have to be deliberately explained in the story, of course; as a "Show-don't-tell" demonstration, we could have Infinite be visibly more hostile and aggressive towards the Avatar than he is to any other character. While Infinite considers any other Resistance character to be a nuisance, he instead becomes short-tempered and infuriated whenever he confronts the Avatar. Because of this, any boss fight featuring the Avatar fighting Infinite will have Infinite use obviously more hostile attacks and with greater fervor than any other boss fight where anyone else fights him (i.e. Sonic, the Chaotix, etc).
On the flipside, the Avatar himself/herself could slowly piece together Infinite's nature over the course of the story. Obviously, the Avatar would be completely terrified of Infinite even right at the start of the post-timeskip gameplay, but as the Avatar overcomes challenge after challenge and grows as a fighter, they could steadily build up a noticeable bravery against Infinite's abilities and eventually to Infinite himself. Over the rewritten story's progression, Infinite mocks and jabs at the Avatar for having to rely on their fellow Resistance fighters, but truthfully those insults are actually a subtle reminder of Infinite's own bitterness at being left with no one to rely on and his subconscious jealousy that the Avatar has friends he can count on despite being weaker than Infinite. By the penultimate fight, the Avatar pieces this together and ends up being the one to comfort Infinite at the end.
After Infinite accepts his final defeat and starts to fade away, the Avatar slowly walks over to him and gently puts a hand on Infinite's shoulder with a gentle smile, not allowing Infinite to pass alone after having lived alone, which Zero accepts wordlessly with a grateful smile of his own right before he fades away with the comfort that at least _someone_ thought that he wasn't truly worthless.
If there's one other thing that I'd change, it's just a little tweak to the final boss.
Team Dark should be Phase 2 and Team Blaze Phase 3. That way we get a progression in the number of supers per phase - zero (none of the Chaotix), then one (Shadow), two (Silver and Burning Blaze), and finally three (Knuckles, Tails and Sonic).
This is the epitome of an underrated comment. I hope this gets more attention!
That would be sick
Swear to god people will redeem anyone 😂
If this story were the actual game and that scene was in it I would probably start balling my eyes out cuz things like that are absolutely heartbreaking and also adorable at the same time.
This actually shows how with even a small bit of time in thought, anyone can make an amazing story
Yes
doubt it was a small amount of time, but he is only one person. they have an entire team on payroll for this.
Except SEGA. But I guess they can make a good foundation for a story!
@@TMS-Oddbot Why this hatred for Sega, heck ?! You forget it's because of their fanbase if they met problems those last years ! Fans always want to decide for them (giving up serious stories, giving up playable characters, giving up voice casting... stop already!) !
Seriously, if the fans were more generous with Sega and hadn't rejected everything they offered all this time (constantly shouting "BAD 06, BAD !!!!!!"), Sega wouldn't have wasted potential like Forces!
Well... I think Frontiers' story changed your mind.
@@maryafantalia4357 Sega still barely gives a shit about Sonic nowadays, Sonic Frontiers, a triple A release, only had 60 people working on it, and Iizuka had to convince Sega for another year of development, it was supposed to release in 2021 but if that happened the game would have been a mess
Honestly, the idea of Orbot and Cubot controling the Egg Dragoon is both silly and pure alchemy, since they never did very much aside being comic reliefs for Eggman. So having them actually doing a thing is legitimately something you can enjoy from them.
I love how planned out eggmans plan was in this, putting all the emeralds in different places, and that final one in the cannon. It makes him seem so much more threatening
I got it! Big was found fishing at the Chemical Plant and it’s up to the avatar to go in there to rescue him. Once he’s back at base, everyone turns to the avatar and Big and complains, asking “Why rescue him?” The avatar simply gestures to Amy where she gives the excuse that “everyone needs to be safe” and that “it can get lonely at base all by herself.” That way we could poke fun at how people don’t tend to like Big and that we can preserve Amy’s friendship with him. And then he could read all the tutorials, just to annoy the shit out of people who accidentally run into them. Of course there’s an option to them off so that doesn’t happen but I think that would be hilarious. And he’s not mad that everyone’s slightly miffed that he was rescued, he’s just slightly upset.
*yes*
yes! omg yes!
Maybe make it optional, and if you don’t, he still appears throughout the remainder of the game, aside from the space stages and maybe a cameo in the ending.
Yes, but only if big had his sa1 model. That would be funny
@@creepycrupper7731 would his sa2 model be any different?
"Worthless to the very end" is such a chilling line, and it's been haunting me for weeks.
I would also like to point out that if they made the game with the buddy system they could have had a really cool post story game with the buddy system. Maybe something where you could play with any duo, maybe add a villain story so you can unlock infinite and Eggman to be playable as well just like in the sonic adventure games. Sega really didn't understand where they did well with sonic otherwise they probably would have considered something like that.
The fact you were able to make Elise an actual GOOD character this time around is a feat in of itself.
But introducing her along with Professor Pickle are a good way to emphasize that, yes, Sonic Forces is ALSO a game that's based on the Blue Blur's Anniversary, hence why it could make sense to look back at what wasn't seen before in Generations in terms of story and characters.
agreed... I didn't even think of that but i agree
Now Elise is more than a Rejected Final Fantasy character.
Yeah!
Totally forgot it was an anniversary game.
i liked elise
Honestly, this was genius. Not perfect, but genius. The emotional beats, the designs, the scale, the callbacks, the memes.
My favorite part was how you managed to tie the worlds of all the modern games into one.
Also Generations mods are free real estate
Especially the memes
@@Sage942 it's no use
@@darkmodeenjoyer3367 find the computer room
@@NewSoupWiiHii Damn, not here!
My favorite part was that cutscene after the last final boss with Infinite. Never thought I'd feel bad for him of all characters, but here we are
God this is great. It's called Forces so playing as an entire force of Sonic's friends sounds amazing. Eggman _has_ taken over the entire world so it'd only seem natural for the group to travel all over the world in levels old and new trying to save it. And it may have missed it by a year but Forces was close to the 25th anniversary so it'd make even more sense for a love letter to so many characters and locations coming back in meaningful way.
I actually love that Amy is the commander because may's most powerful move is her voice, Remember when Amy is the one that help Shadow in Sonic Adventure 2
I find it also gives Amy a bit of weight to her character, too. Stepping up to the plate as the head of the table (acknowledge her!) in the midst of Sonic's whereabouts and fate still up in the air, it really is the growth we'd have come to expect from Amy since SA1, where she stated she was going to get Sonic to respect her.
*FINALLY* You have no Idea how much I've been waiting years for this, but yeah, Infinite deserves alot better and so does this game despite being so rushed last minute.
Couldn’t have said it better myself :,)
I agree
when the games story is so bad, the community makes a rewritten version of it:
More like years
Well that’s why fanfiction exist
Imagine if someone makes a fangame out of this. That would be cool.
I love the details with the Emeralds: Elise having the blue one like in 06 and Sonic using Chaos Control with the yellow one like in SA2
Edit: I think a change I would do is to put Sonic's beatdown inbetween Silver's Stage and the boss fight so Chaos disappearing from the story makes sense, at least for me
Was hoping someone would catch that! There was actually a reason I gave everyone the Emeralds I did: the blue and yellow were for the reasons you described.
The red for the Chaotix was because that's the one they had at the end of Heroes, Green for Shadow because it's his signature Emerald, Cyan for Amy because Blue was taken and I wanted to give her a color resembling Sonic. That left Purple and White, and I figured that White was typically the last one you'd get in the first few games, leaving Team Sonic with Purple.
@@Charriii5 The blue and especially the yellow one definitely made me feel in some kind of way, I don't know, having the same settings for it felt nostalgic.
Also I don't know why but I usually associate the white emerald with Eggman. By that I mean, apart from it being the last one, it just feels like the one Eggman would have..... Oh I think I know why. I'm not entirely sure because I haven't seen it in a long time, but it's because of the intro of Sonic Triple Trouble
S**T, I DIDN´T GET THAT WHEN WATCHING THIS VIDEO, THANK YOU!!!
@@Charriii5 Because Fawful’s Minion put Sonic Forces on his (second) list of favourite Sonic games instead of any other Sonic game (examples: SegaSonic Cosmo Fighter Galaxy Patrol (I mean, then again, because of how underrated it is, nobody would have ever put this little gem on lists of best Sonic games… except for maybe me in the future), Sonic 3 & Knuckles (now THIS is a Sonic game that would be not just in lists of the top 10 Sonic games, but also the top 5s! So what would FM do? He would subvert expectations by spiting its fans by not giving it an honourable mention! Sure, he did put S3&K on his first list of favourite Sonic games, but even with all the great things he used to say about this game, what made things sound more forced is when he decided to insult the soundtrack of this game. Uh huh.), Sonic Advance 3 (& maybe its oldest predecessor Sonic Advance 1), Sonic Jump (at least the 2005 version, the 2012 version can be considered fun, but mainly only as iPhone game standards go), Shadow Shoot, Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity (outside of a bit of Amy’s sexual harassment towards Sonic (and telling him “It took you long enough!”, which, btw, she’s done far worse things before, like, team up with Tails and Knuckles in the super disappointing Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric against Sonic for “locking them in” when it was obviously Lyric’s dastardly idea), I think that while Sonic Riders 1 is also far superior to Sonic Free Riders, this game is so good that it’s the only one where she’s actually in character without toxically feminine outbursts), the Super Smash Bros. games, Sonic Mania (original & Plus), etc) to spite the haters.
We remember those times when you collaborated with him (hence the Everything Wrong With Mario & Luigi Series (what’s really wrong with them would have to be that the awesome 2D games of the 2000s got remakes (or, in the words of ExoParadigmGamer, “Reprises” (or “ReBreaks”, mainly Bowser’s Inside Story DX), but I think the dumb excuse why he wasn’t a (top) commenter in this video is because he thinks 3D Sonic games are underrated by bandwagoners of the infamous Sonic fanbase even though their standards aren’t the highest and only got worse after the 2000s.
A fan game based on this would be incredible, I really hope that happens someday
A fun fact about Knuckles via IDW Sonic: according to the comic series, whenever Knuckles leaves Angel Island, he hides the emerald somewhere (implied to be in a hidden underground temple)
Too bad in the actual game canon he left the Master Emerald out in the open on Angel Island to join Silver in the resistance while Dr Eggman was too arrogant to steal it again lol! (In the Sonic Forces prequel comics).
Ian Flynn, Evan Stanley and the whole IDW team have been picking up the pieces ever since, trying to get ALL the characters back on track and for most part they've been successful (even with Sega incessantly breathing down their necks to avoid another Ken Penders situation).
@@lynxfresh5214 can say more
@@lynxfresh5214 and Ken Pender is a dumb person who is not the best writer for sonic
@@lynxfresh5214 I doubt that's a Penders situation issue, more Sega getting more involved in characterization. Penders was more a problem of contracts and inspiration gone rough.
@@amesstarline5482 Penders is essentially the root issue not just for Sonic Comics, but his attitude is at the core of what's all of the modern media we see today "the woke stuff" it's people so arrogant and self absorbed that they insist on the "story they wanted to tell" over the actual characterization, tone, or anything that existed before they and their ideals arrived.
And of course Sega doesn't want that, they want their IP to be secure since Japan and Sega in particular already underwent the fiscal collapse and loss of product and company sovereignty that Western Studios are only now suffering for having the same arrogance Sega had back then. It may be an over correction but I think IDW is doing a good job pulling them back from that extreme because of course any IP needs good collaboration with both new ideas being tested and added but plenty of respect for what already exists and some of course minor signs of character growth. Which as I've discussed with Frontiers and Sage, Eggman growing into a father doesn't necessarily mean he has to lessen his evil, sure Sage is now a emotion weak point for him, but concern for her doesn't mean he has to show empathy towards anyone else and she can be on his side giving full support to Eggman, and yet still like Sonic and the others. And since Frontiers mentioned IDW exclusive characters I do hope that Sonic becomes more tied with them because I honestly have missed lot simply due to fiscal restraints or having the wrong console at the time each game was relevant.
Is it just me who thought big would be behind Amy in the arc and go “ are you ok Amy “ and then Amy hugs big and screams in joy “ we won the war “ and big would be like “ what war “
This rewrite really had it all.
Plugged up countless Plotholes and inconsistencies, gave the phantom copies purpose.
Made Eggman actually threatening! Made Infinite edgy, but with a logical reason!
Every Sonic Crew mainstay had an important part to play and you actually leaned into what a world properly controlled by eggman would fall into: mechanized hell.
Bringing back the Unleashed and 06 World was god damn brilliant and something I didn't even have in mind as a possible option, but it makes SO MUCH SENSE here.
The Cohesion of the world is perfect, absolutely immaculate in this rewrite.
The hour i spent watching this was worth it.
And the illustrations! They are fantastic and really bring all the great ideas to life!
I would really love to see this done with a mario game, this was really cool with all the extra storyboards
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Hi Nathaniel
Yeah. It could make Mario Sunshine even more infuriating. Seriously, that plot was super fucking retarded, and the idea of someone taking the concept of the plot and making much better just proves they should've actually put time in the story. And don't tell me that "it's Mario, and plot shouldn't be important" because Mario can have decent and somewhat complex plots.
Same to
Yeah, it would be cool too
Ironically, by not making Sonic the focus gameplay-wise, you've made the game 10x more enjoyable to play through *and* replay.
This is a good frickin' rewrite, Chariii.
I honestly would love a game where sonic isn't the main focus. And his idea of going down the heroes route in terms of team gameplay was so interesting
@@aexonity i mean, knuckles in sonic the hedgehog 2 does that fairly well, no?
ikr it makes me want to play with my plushes can make a story like that but in my own way
@@jacknite625 I'd say same, but I've been slacking on purchasing Sonic figures as I grow older, not like I lost any interest in 'em I just don't have the ability to get them most of the time.
@@OverZeelous same bro i know how you feel. like i want to but at the same time, i cant because work
To think we could've had like half of this if Sonic Team weren't... Sonic Team... and Izuka weren't... who he is... Unfortunately this script is like 75% stuff that the writers are outright banned from doing these days. Still, a fascinating thought experiment. Analyzing it in comparison to the orignal is a good learning experience from a writing standpoint.
Charrriii does what Izukan't
Unfair to pin the blame on Izuka and Sonic Team when it's SEGA stomping down with all the mandates and rules.
I mean, Izuka was the one to insist on Episode Shadow being a thing, much against SEGA's wishes.
They promised us Dark Age fans a story that would appeal to us, should've never said it if they cant provide.
@@charmyzard SEGA stomps down with *Leila Kobayashi & Jiro McGregor's Mandates 4 Babies* because of those two snotty lunatics from IGN!! Fortunately, *Spencer Wakabayashi & Hideki Anderson's Project 2 Bring Back Shadow & '06* will happen. Eventually... Or perhaps Imagi Studios is currently waiting to be revived, although no-one considers doing such interesting shit because they pick pool parties when they should be helping *Imagi Studios* get back on its fucking feet after fucking shutting down over fucking Astro Boy. Goddamn it!!
With the help of a few mercenary groups…
*Leonard Sato & Nobuo Smith*
*Terence Fujii & Kenichi MacIntosh*
*Sonny Daichi & Hideaki Bernstein*
*Olivier Naka & Masatsugu MacLennon*
and most importantly…
*Fred Sakamoto & Marihiko Williams*
1:08:40 I love the expression Amy is given here. I know it’s only a storyboard - a concept, but I think it’s such a cool way of showing the hopeless and grief for Amy. She’s the commander. She’s the one who’s supposed to keep everyone alive and safe, and now? They’ve lost their rookie. Another tally on the board of failures for Amy.
I dunno I just think that’s pretty cool. Plus, it can be shown with how hopeless Amy begins to sound!
That ending was so well done, because you really harnessed the psych-horror potential of the Phantom Ruby and it's Mangekyo Sharingan level powers. When that sound went off after the Eclipse Cannon fired, even though it would have been too crushing, I wondered for a moment "oh no, did an illusion force them to actually fire at the planet and destroy it, and now Eggman's pulling back the curtain, just as they're celebrating?"
Deadass, I want to play this game now.
21:10 the key thing is the level of moment to moment decision making. More than any other Sonic game, Forces plays itself most of the time. On top of the short run time, Forces levels are extremely automated and the few alternate paths that exist are extremely binary with a basic homing attack chain being one of the more complex ways to reach a path. When the game isn't automated, what you're doing is either rudimentary platforming in 2d or mindlessly boosting through hallways in 3d or going through yet another quick step/rail swapping section avoiding basic obstacles.
Exactly! Something that I noticed was that no matter what level I found myself in, it was difficult for me to stay still, look at my surroundings and know exactly how far into the level I was. The level design was not suited for the speed with which you traverse the levels, and when you are able to take your time, there's hardly anything actively engaging enough to look recognizable to me.
@@Charriii5 Even if you threw Forces Sonic into more interesting stages from other boost games, it wouldn't really help. Sonic's physics and general moveset are far too limited in Forces. The acceleration curve feels terrible where he kinda "shifts gears" into a rigid top speed, he can barely strafe at high speeds w/o quick step, the double jump's trajectory doesn't feel consistent with his speed, and stuff like the slow fall speed and overpowered air boost completely ruins stages like Mortar Canyon which would've been an interesting level with its down slope design but you jump once and congrats you've skipped major portions of the stage already.
Forces is very easy to complete which is why I think a lot of people say it's "not that bad" but idk man this gameplay just suuuucks fundamentally. Possibly the worst feeling mainline Sonic to me.
I call it "Snake Intestine" level design.
which is ironic actually.
the set pieces in sonic forces were really not memorable at all
@@lordadz1615 Yeah, the "cut scene set pieces" felt like a cheap replacement for them.
Oh, my.
If THIS was a Sonic Forces we got, it would undoubtedly be THE best Sonic game of all time. Your version of the story, while it could still be improved, gives nearly every single character a fulfilling role and for some a nice redemption, which is amazing.
Kudos to your rewrite!
I can’t be the only one that wants this to be an actual game now that this video is up. The story and attention to the lore/ pervious games were highly enjoyable and super fun 10/10 for real great job all around
Get the Forces Overclocked team to work on this
@@seanimo8579 Who?
Don't even pretend you're alone in this, that's not even remotely true.
LITERALLY I WANT THIS SO BAD
Small thing, but wasn't Shadow killing the jackals sort of showing what he was ready to go through for his friends since he lost Maria? They're all he has so he would want to protect them, making him go further than most.
Ok, I'm completely sold. Just the way you believed in the story rewrite, and the effort you put into making it true to the characters and the world that was built for them shows that this is some good stuff.
On another note, HAS ANYONE HIRED YOU FOR VOICE WORK? CAUSE DUDE, CALL ME MCDONALDS BECAUSE I'M LOVEN' IT!
My favorite part of your rewrite pitch was your WONDERFUL sense of character, I really look up to that in you! Sorry, this was long-winded, but I loved it, thank you for making this!
Had a great chuckle when Silver said "It's no use". Very enjoyable story. If the next Sonic game implements even a fraction of this it'll be the best Sonic game storywise automatically.
Was gonna ask where it was and got to the part, It's at 1:19:32
Everyone did
This definitely would have felt like an aniversary game . Along with that, I liked how you tought about everything that you put in the story and how it connects with pasts games, like locations and team illusion enemies. Good video!
I can confidently say that wow, this was a really good rewrite. Giving each of the characters here a bigger impact compared to the original game was quite the sight to see, especially fleshing things out with bringing in stuff like the comics, which I kinda forgot existed tbh. The storyboards were really cool to see.
Can't wait to see if more videos like this come in the future!
Keep up the great work.
in the comics, knucles is the "commander" of the resistance, but everybody knows amy is actually commanding and organizing things
knucles gets the title but its amy that actually does things
really liked the dinamic ngl, they should have gone more into that in forces
I’m glad that Cream and Blaze got added to this adaptation of the story. THANK YOU!!!
Infinite having a red sword sounded like an amazing concept and it is disappointing that we never saw him use it not even attempt changing it with the phantom ruby and even sounds like something that would go well with the avatar being able able to copy that sword
I wonder if that could’ve been used in his fights, kinda as a contrast to the avatars’ wispons (a weapon imbued with a special energy).
This would bring some interesting battles in the game and give a callback to who infinite was along with adding more to the whispin being technology for their war with egg man
This was incredible, this feels like the script for an anniversary game, and this was awesome, One thing I would wonder was how Blaze entered the story, and the lack of the Sol Emeralds, there's also why Sonic, Shadow, and Silver are the only ones to go Super it, I get why it was just Silver and Shadow as a reference to Sonic 06, but it would've been nice if Tails and Knuckles had Super forms to. But anyway this was AWESOME, and great job dude
I think he only had sonic shadow and silver do so because I think the comics retconned it to only having a male hedgehog be able to unlock a super form
@@Eyrony_ I didn't like that retcon, especially for Knuckles because he's the Guardian of the Master Emerald and is the most familiar with Chaos energy (apart from Shadow) and is part of a powerful tribe.
@@bobbyscibadee I agree, giving the others super forms makes them alot less useless when it comes to story
@@Eyrony_ I really think Chaos Emerald rules should work like this: Chaos Energy can only be used to go Super if you have been around it for long enough. Shadow is part something, part Black Arm, and part chaos energy, so it works. Silver… idk, but he went Super in a different timeline, so clearly he can. Sonic has been around the Emeralds for long enough, and has gone Super multiple times. Tails never went super with the Chaos Emeralds, but by now he’s probably exposed enough. Knuckles could go Super in his origin game, likely because of the Master Emerald, so he could work. All the others have never held all the Chaos Emeralds at one time, so it’s unknown whether or not they could.
@@bobbyscibadee even if they were gonna retcon to where only sonic, shadow, and silver can turn super they could've done better than "male hedgehogs" simply by making it that sonic is the ultimate lifeform, shadow was created to be as strong as sonic and it's implied that silver is a descendant of either sonic or shadow. It would've made more sense than the male hedgehogs garbage.
I am just glad Cream finally has a chance to shine since generations
Since Generations ?
More like since Heroes
15:36 even Ian Flynn agrees that Amy should've been the leader as opposed to Knuckles! In the IDW comics, Knuckles admits he's more of a fighter than a leader, and any time Amy is in charge, she CRUSHES it!
My favorite part was Elise, I love that you actually gave her a second chance at redemption I just wish you had her meet Sonic again "It doesn't have to be love oriented" I would have loved to see them talk again
That ending for Inifinite saying "worthless to the very end" with a sime and tears, holy fckin sht .....
eh I dont think Infinite would ever call himself worthless. I also think dying would only make him mad.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 idk, I feel like Infinite at that point would've been like "Well..I had a good run.." remember how in Avengers EndGame when the Avengers defeated Thanos he sat down and just kind of took his L? That's what I think Infinite would do at at that point
@@IMNTV yeah because Thanos wanted to die at that point. He wasn’t even phased by seeing his future self dying, he saw it as “destiny fulfilled”
Infinite has never shown self-loathing or sacrificial tendencies
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Self loathing is there, actually.
Called his past self too weak and pathetic to remember.
While he isn't calling himself worthless outright, there's dissatisfaction bubbling beneath the surface.
@@justascarecrow6988 Yes, his PAST self, not his current self.
Seems like everyone and their mother has pondered a rewrite of this game's story. What's this take going to be?
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Might be a little too much for Sonic Team today, but yours was still a captivating re-tell. Thank you for that.
I'm sure Sonic Team would be willing to do exactly this (aside from bringing back Elise, Pickle, the Commander and locations from the 2000s games. They would more likely create new characters and places based on those)
@@jamiegioca9448 I disagree, they wouldn't write a story where you don't get to play as sonic until pretty far into it
@@5252coolguy Fair point. Maybe they'd make more Null Space levels for more playtime as Sonic?
This was a fun rewrite, a lot more darker, and tense. For your worries about making the Custom Character and Infinite have a connection, I recommend watching Garrulous64, they rewrote Sonic Forces as well, but in a whole different direction, and added more to the story after the game story, more focused on the CC and Infinite.
I’ve watched that video series.
Charriii, even if your script has a multitude of fan service and isn’t as developed as you thought it could be, that doesn’t matter. We all still love what you did with the main concepts; It’s still miles better compared to the actual plot of Sonic Forces and coupled with your rewrite of the Super Mario Bros Movie, I think that writing the story for your passion project Soulstar will be a breeze and be just as entertaining. Keep it up my dude!
I think there’s so much depth to be had to Infinite is they continued with the original script of Shadow KILLING all but a single member of Jackal Squad in an effort to save 123-Omega. And having Infinite only survive Shadow’s surprise backup assault being to submit to Eggman’s testing of the Phantom Ruby and a specialized mask? Dude, that setup could go SO FAR! Just make Shadow and Infinite the enemies of each other and have Sonic be more concerned about the root: Eggman. Shadow with a single chaos emerald vs Infinite with the Phantom Ruby. You’ve now got Chaos vs Phantom powers, that alone is so anime and so AWESOME that it’s worth working towards.
And that’s just ONE possible route. The story is so barebones that you could make countless rewrites using the basis of Forces’s story and they all have merit. So many routes, possibilities, etc.
Back to the video, I just really wanted to talk about how Shadow allegedly killed Jackal Squad in the drafts, and that keeps his anti-hero status strong, but also creates a much grittier, much more emotional connection for Shadow and Infinite, and having THEM have a final showdown. Not Sonic and Infinite, with how they had no real connection at all.
I think the reference heavy stuff fits this rewrite. Forces was first announced the same time as Mania, which was a celebration of Sonic's past-- the beginning. Having Forces call back to the modern era would have been a nice way to create new content while falling back upon previous games in a way that was genuine, through the re-taking of the planet.
I get the biggest smile on my face everytime I see people who actual love and care for sonics characters take a crack at making there own interpretations on how the games stories could have been.
Something I felt would've been refreshing would've been Infinite being possessed with the Phantom Ruby the longer he controls it, showing how dangerous it was to recklessly use such a powerful item. And during the climax of the story, he wouldn't even remember his objective, the reason why he's here to begin with, himself, now that the ruby has full control of him...
Infinite would've been a lost victim hired by Eggman and after the fall of the Jackal Squad, only wanted payback against Shadow
This would've been a really cool idea!
@@Charriii5 And one that other fans have actually picked up on too! In the (currently) background notes for Sonic Holograph (it's a Sonic/Hololive crossover and is _actually really fuckin' cool_ despite the seemingly crazy premise), the Phantom Ruby is actually stated to inflict insanity upon its users. And given how Infinite was trapped _inside_ the damn thing ever since Forces (long story), he... didn't end up too swell even compared to his appearance in Forces proper.
@@Charriii5 Sonic’s cowardice (or so lack of, his fear is justified/real) when his friends turn on him (whether it be Amy Rose chasing him down with her hammer because he friend-zoned her, or Tails yelling in Sonic’s face that he hates him for his hero complex and complete disrespect towards women, or Knuckles trying to punch Sonic’s lights) is absolutely nothing compared to the cowardice of the Resistance in Sonic Forces (Us to Defend a Colossal Disappointment Even Though We Never Will) because despite being perfectly capable, they would rather let Eggman (like you said) take over (almost completely) all of the world like he’s Klaus Schwab or Marc van Ranst or Larry Fink whom even at his worst, he’s still pretty tame compared to.
@@Charriii5 your rewrite story is very impressive it shows that the company lacks imagination and passion
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 What's hololive?
While re-listening to this while working I had an idea for Big the Cat. You mentioned cameos in levels, so what if while earning collectibles in the levels, you got to see Big act out his own side story in the background. Maybe he is just trying to survive or help struggling civilians. Also when you find all the collectibles and 100% the game, you see a final cutscene with Big and Frogie in the Chao garden, maybe with some of the other side characters. This way you give Big some action and give a purpose to the previously useless collectibles. IDK just an idea.
Also I'd love to see a rewrite of a modern paper mario game or Sonic generations, these games really bugged me because the stories never truly dive into the characters and explore the interactions they have. Again idk lol.
I was really happy to see this though. I've re-watched at least 5 times and you totally nailed this re-write, keep up the great work bro!!!
Dude, id genuinely burst into tears if this was really the game and then light of hope started playing at the end
I think a much more reasonable arc for Silver to experience is the idea that, despite his future being ruined before he came back, he eventually comes to realize that, even though the future is where he belongs, it's not the place he wants to be. Sure, going back to an idyllic future with everyone not being dead is great, but what of it before he came back? He lived in ruin with no one important except Blaze at his side (if we're to take '06 as his true origin) and seeing as how Blaze is usually with him, it's not all that important for him to go back. The future he once knew is no longer the one he goes back to, and it's the people in the past that he finds he truly wants to be with instead of returning to a place where no one knows him or who he is.
Good attempt on trying to fix this game’s unrealized story and even mentioning an idea I had in mind that playable characters should’ve returned in this game. Heck, many of your ideas are what I had in mind.
In fact, I wanted to make a video like this, but I went against it because many people hate my opinions and ideas, so I’m glad someone did this anyway.
I'm sure you had great ideas
Why? you would make a great video of it I want you to make a sonic plush forces with a better story screw what they said make forces better than how bad it is.
Edit: if your not going to do it that’s fine but I’m just saying that it would be cool and I would want you to do it but if not I can live with it
@@markharbath31X9 First of all: What the hell is this comment? I almost had a stroke from reading this.
Second: Charriii5's story is WAY better than the original. I won’t go over why because I imagine you watched the video, but still.
Third: Let the man do what he wants. It’s his channel, not yours.
@@ShockInazuma Some elements from this story are going to be added to our Sonic Plush finale. So that’ll be definitely something.
@@ShockInazuma 1 i know it’s not mine I never said that I’m asking why he didn’t do it because of his fans I’m just saying it would make a great plush video to rewrite this shit game
Random idea that popped into my head listening to all this: Make all the loading screens for the first portion of the game depict Sonic sitting around lost and confused in Null Space
Maybe tapping his foot while waiting like in the classics.
Creative
Great rewrite. There are some aspects that concern me, though I do understand, but the only thing I would add personally is for Elise to get briefly captured after Team Silver's boss fight, only to follow immediately by Cream getting furious and brutally take down the robot capturing Elise. It's a satisfying moment that pays off Cream an Elise's friendly relationship, but also combines 2 memes into one. Elise getting captured and Cream's hidden potential.
I just wanted to add this because Cream's one of my favourite Sonic characters.
YOOOOOOOO
the way you so excellently used the Phantom Ruby sound effect from 1:18:06 - 1:18:10 literally had my stomach dropping along with the characters, holy shit.
i love it when people rewrite Forces. It had so much potential and though i'm bitter at what it turned out to be, it's really cool to see the multiple ideas the community has.
thank you for sharing!
@@shadowelii FOR REAL! I ACTUALLY SCREAMED NO! WHEN I HEARD IT
FOR REAL! I LITERALLY SCREAMED NO! WHEN I HEARD IT
23:23 That Infinite voice impression is surprisingly awesome.
Finally, the story that was deserved, and a solid closure to Infinite's arc
Not gonna lie, I would really love to see this concept turned into an actual game. Heck, it even has the makings for a kickass movie! You really put a lot of thought and care into this idea, and I applaud you for it. =)
Thanks for making this video it really made my day. Hope to see more rewrites like this in the future 🤞
Finally, someone who actually understood Infinites' potential as an antagonist with illusion powers. Good work, Charriii!
This is probably the best and well informed rewritten story from a Sonic game ever. Had this been executed prior to the games release, this definitely could’ve been the best Sonic game to date!
Edit: thanks so Much Chariii for creating a phenomenal narrative and analyzing how Forces should have been. Sega as well as Sonic Team need to take notes moving forward.
Ikr!
They should actually learn from the misteps Forces had and actually get somebody who is experienced in narrative. I mean, there's Ian Flynn (that I'm fairly certain he'll have challenges now, compared to how he does in IDW), but I wouldn't mind having Steven Butler taking the helm when the time comes.
Honestly, this is the game I wanted! This felt very character driven vs just reaching the end of level with the clout of a successful franchise (if that makes sense)! I was so taken in with the story that if there were parts I would have scratched my head at I didn't notice!
This also raises my excitement for your personal project Soul Star because if you can do this with established characters I can only imagine what you'll do with your own story! I could go on, but seriously, amazing job with this rewrite and I'm happy to see you happy creating!
Crying and screaming in the club right now. Charriii I b e g of you, p l e a s e let me or someone make this rewrite come to life in a written form. A fanfiction following this storyline with the show-not-tell details a writer could add on would be so fulfilling!
I do wanna start a fanfic inspired by the rewrite
I have been working on a Sonic fanfic
Maybe something inspired as a part 2 of my current fanfiction
Or a completely different fanfic with a different OC
I like that rant explaining why Team Chaotix fight Orbot and Cubot piloting the Egg Dragoon; everything about that team is a barely controlled sort of nonsense, so in a way it works.
Also, Silver crying "It's no use" just had to show up somewhere, didn't it?
1:12:04 This Scene is Actually Sad yet, Beautiful to See Sonic's Friends happy to See Him Alive, It feels that it Shows that He's not Just there Friend, He's Like Family to them
I honestly love this rewrite, as at times I doubted if the Resistance would win, as everything was stacked up against them. It shows how much potential sonic forces had to be the greatest sonic story ever told, and Charii, you managed to create what sonic forces could have, and should have, been.
Hey charii... watching your stuff makes me smile and brights up my somewhat monotone ( sry if this isn't real english since my native language is german ) day to day work-life. Thank you amigo, feel hugged.
Hugs received, dankes fürs zuschauen!
Just to show and mention how much I was loving this
When the Resistance came up with the plan to use the Eclipse Cannon to destroy the Death Egg, I very confidently and joyfully said "Yeah!!!"
*This* is how you do callbacks and nostalgia.
Not forced retcons and shoving the imagery down your throat.
Just want to say that there's so much continuity throughout this that makes me feel so emotional. The interactions with Professor Pickle and him showing that he's just as wise and dedicated to his studies as he was in Unleashed, all the call back levels done in a way that feels story-driven and like a world adventure rather than just for good fan-service, heck even Soleanna and Elise's inclusions left my eyes feeling a bit watery - it just shows that the weight of these character's journeys all add up, that they've been through a lot and they're seasoned veterans by this point.
I especially loved the detail that Elise gave Silver the blue Chaos Emerald, just like how Silver gave the same one to Elise in the past version of Aquatic Base, and I can just imagine the introductory dialogue with Team Silver revolving around revolving around "I don't recall ever meeting you before, but your energy seems... familar, somehow" as a nod to Sonic 06 being erased, but the character's consciousnesses retaining at least some familiarity with the events in the games afterwards.
One small detail I'd personally include is that during Team Chaotix adventure, they have some dialogue in one of their levels where they blast Eggman for being a hypocrite because he still hasn't paid them, despite taking over the world - a nod to Team Chaotix's final cutscene in Heroes.
Sonic Forces? More like Sonic World Adventure 2!
_(Unleashed is called "World Adventure" in Japanese)_
This has been a great rewrite (which is essentially a perfect love letter and a good sequel to Generations (minus Classic)) , with a touching yet memorable ending for Infinite.
And the added fact that you answered your own question of "Where is Blaze" in your EWW Sonic Forces just takes the cake.
"It gets fanfiction / fanservice-y at times," you say that like it's a genuine problem, lmao. Great work, man.
Honestly, I loved this. I thought it was a fantastic rewrite. It may have been a bit much at times, at least in terms of how deep a Sonic game would usually go, but if they made this into an actual game? I'd play the shit out of it. It sounds amazing. Kudos, dude.
Nah honestly I think in order to have a future as a franchise, I think the deepness of this rewrite is where they have to go. Personally I love the tone. It’s not super dark but it has deep implications and show’s characters at their lowest
9:10 As I understand it, the IDW comics take place after the events of Forces. Whisper's backstory in Tangle & Whisper even apparently references the time Sonic was imprisoned.
This made me realize that serious sonic stories really can work when under the right hands. Absolutely phenomenal work here.
I imagine halfway through the Phantom Shadow fight, the copy changes it’s shape into Mephiles, giving us both a Shadow fight and a Mephiles fight.
I think this was a good rewrite. I know some people say, or at least used to say, that Forces was supposed to be a love letter to Sonic, but it felt rushed, there were too much Green Hill stages, and some of the characters felt unnecessary. What you did was not only impressive, but it felt true the Sonic fanbase that I think people would've enjoyed. I like that you had the G.U.N. General, Professor Pickle, and even Princess Elise in this rewrite, because I think that if they did showcase them, it would've been nostalgic to see old characters return in another Sonic game and it would be actual fanservice for the Sonic fans to enjoy rather than just having 9 Green Hill stages. Thanks for the great video and keep up the good work.
Every game after colors is a love letter lol
@@gamanzhiydanil Every game after colors is a love letter*
(*said to be a love letter but turns out to be a lie)
@@AlexRodriguez0407 So Generations was a lie? Mania was a lie? Did you even think before writing that?
@@michaelc.8712 two games, two singular games?
@@AlexRodriguez0407 You say that like there have been a dozen Sonic games since then.
Besides Generations and Mania, which were great, and Lost World, which was exactly what it always seemed to be, just a weird decent one off Nintendo thing, the only thing left is Forces. In other words, you are only right about 1 single game.
You know....
I REALLY like how you plan on rewriting the story. Because unlike the actual game, this actually makes the fan feel more appreciated.
This was an amazing rewrite, I could feel the emotion in many parts and the whole story throughout kept me intrigued hoping to see what’s next. The way you were able to incorporate all characters to have some sort of important role really shows how underutilized they are and with the right kind of people, they can be pretty fun to watch
One thing I’d add though is before the time skip to show characters in the cutscene of the takeover actually trying to fight Eggman’s army, only to be outnumbered or easily beaten by the mass amounts of his army (presumably due to the Phantom Ruby), which leads to them being chased off feeling hopeless. I feel like it would better show the kind of power Eggman holds now and why the whole gang wasn’t able to fight everything back like usual.
forces would’ve been critically acclaimed if it were like this. The only thing I would have changed is, after the main end credits but before the Knuckles scene (which would come after /all/ the credits) -
The camera pans over the city being rebuilt. Amy, having discovered a passion for leadership, is bustling around, coordinating the effort. Speakers across the city play upbeat music occasionally interjected with encouraging reminders.
Infinite - now Zero - watches on. He sees the members of the resistance as they work; it’s hard work, but they are having fun doing it together. He’s reminded of his old group (which we see as a flashback).
Suddenly the avatar zips over - and extends a hand to Zero. Zero hesitates, but we hear the radio in focus now, as Amy speaks: “…you can make a difference. It doesn’t matter how strong you are. Or if you’re big or small. Or where you came from. No matter how you help, it’s worth it. We can do this together!…”
Zero smiles, and with determination, takes the avatar’s hand, and the camera cuts as Zero stands up.
You hit the nail on the head with the real deal feeling far too casual and disingenuous. Your take was absolutely INTENSE. There was a lot here that, at first I wasn't initially sold by but it shaped together with flying colours.
I love how you handled the Team Chaos part, with the locations and opponents/boss.
The out of place somehow make perfect sense, and you have a good mind about putting it all together! smart!
You mean Team Chaotix?
This is what we needed. Infinite as a truly tragic character, and a serious threat with a true reason to fight.
Thank you Charrii! It's nice to see someone re-writing Forces'story and putting as much effort as possible into it!
This game will always be remembered for all the potential It had,and just like with 06 It breaks my Heart...
Dude. Your story was 100 times better than the one we got in the game. And a hell of alot more mature while still being T for Teen rated. If only we could get a "Directors Cut" using it as a new script...if only...
Even a kid would liked it
56:24 God this entire scene rocks from the way the death egg is introduced to Infinites arrival it's all so good
I've always been a fan of rewrites, but I also know that it takes a long time to make one. Let me tell you that I really loved and appreciated this one. If this becomes a series, then please pace yourself and take all the time you need.
I think my favorite part of this rewrite is infinite messing with the flow of information between teams( especially infinities talk to team dark using amys likeness ). Even though the phantom ruby is capable of bending reality, forces never used it as an obstacle in the plot creatively.
Love this. That finale had me feeling things.
Some extra stuff I personally would have included:
Highlight how lost everyone is without Sonic. How the world at large depended on him to always beat Eggman, to the point of taking it for granted and not being able to cope when he failed. This gives the OC a bigger role as he is essentially one of the first to step up, showing both Sonic's friends and even just ordinary people that Sonic isn't the only one who can do this. Even an ordinary animal person with no unqiue abilities like Sonic and co can fight.
With Infinite's mask, I think you could add in some light body horror if you're willing. Maybe have his right eye be where the Phantom Ruby is implanted, explaining why it's covered. It would make a sick sort of sense, having a gem that distorts the senses implanted into the space of one of said senses. Maybe have it turn out he was partially roboticised to be able to effectively wield the Phantom Ruby, wearing the mask both as a means of protection and to hide the horror of his disfigured face. It would play further into his lust for power and worth, being willing to sacrifice his body for it.
I would have the ruby feed off of the user’s personality, slowly turning them into only their most surface level character trait. Having Infinite slowly go from caring about his team to caring for no one and just being angsty would be tragic
That's soo good, like, really. The plot got so much better and made so much more sense. The interantions between the different characters were so interesting, it got me really wanting to actually see Silver and Knuckes working together. You writed all of them so in character, I could see them easily doing all of this. I got very involved with the story and it would be so nice to see animated cutscenes like this. Awesome!!!
I always thought it would be sick if infinite and the avatar started as best friends, with infinite's creation being: Eggman has kidnapped two civilians for his phantom ruby experiments. The phantom ruby is attached to the avatar's best friend, causing them to go limp. Eggman presumes him dead, and begins a new test when sonic and company burst in to save them. The avatar's friend isn't recovered, being presumed dead (or "gone" because this is a kid's game) but actually they became infinite, their memories altered by eggman. I really wanted to give them a personal connection to eachother, and I wanted to give meaning to the line of his song "and only scars remain of who I was"
This is an absolutely amazing rewrite. There should really be a full remake of Sonic Forces with all of your incredible ideas
Actually, this was my favorite Sonic Forces rewrite I have heard/read. This just feels... right in a way that not many rewrites make me feel. It's a simple but very effective plot and story structure that is easy to follow. I was literally crying of happiness when Sonic finally met back up with his friends. Props to you Charriii, I would LOVE to play this game if it was ever made.
Also, I wanted to say what I think would be great unlockables after beating the game
- Super Sonic in regular levels
- A hub world that shows how the levels are connected to the world
- A short Blaze story showing how she got the Sonic's world
- Knuckles' Master Emerald shard quest (for those who want to play it)
- Many quests you can do to fix up the world
- A small cutscene showing Classic Sonic from Mania walking in Null Space, bored out of his life until the place disappears, re appearing in his timeline next to his buddies
Unlockable from getting 100%
- The signature Hard mode of the game from the SA2 to 06 timeframe
No Sticks The Badger, 0/10
But in all honesty, this is wonderful. I really liked how you made a use of Princess Elise and the GUN Commander.
This rewrite is almost flawless. The only minor issue I have is that Silver isn't that optimistic in the final boss, but other then that I love that the hedgehog trio is apart of the final battle.
Wow… WOW… that was genuinely amazing… I especially love the actual FEELING and EMOTION in this… I genuinely felt happy and relieved in certain moments bc the characters were explained so well and I actually knew what was happening!! Also thank you so much for including ur own drawings it helped me understand where and what was happening!! Keep up the good work dude!!!
I love this, and what you said at the end about a deeper relationship between the avatar and infinite is something I’ve always wanted as well. An idea I had was that they should be written as thematic opposites; as the avatar gets more confident through helping the resistance, infinite becomes more manic and self-loathing over his worthlessness. That way over their interactions you get to see the difference between the two and have an (admittedly cheesy) reason for why the avatar always wins. Then at the end, the avatar extends a hand to infinite/zero as a friend or as a peace offering.
Honestly, anything would be better than him floating away like he did in the actual game.
I agree, I’m a sucker for redemption arcs and Infinite/Zero could be a great lesson in self worth through guilt and learning to apologize and accept help. Could be great and I would be totally down to write a fanfic for it
Honestly I love this rewrite but I don't like how infinite still kind of... vanishes at the end, as if nothing happened just like the original
This gave me absolute GOOSEBUMPS! I Loved this so much! The story, the characters, the zones selection, the storyboards, the...everything! This is what I really wanted for Sonic Forces! I truly loved this! Thanks a lot for the video!
As a new Sonic fan, if I skipped the intro, you would've completely fooled me on that actually being the storyline rather than the actual game. My knowledge of the games comes from you with "Everything wrong with-" series and the fandubs (Both are hilarious but your videos are more informative than the fandub), but slowly, with detailed videos such as these, I can understand the games stories and the flaws at the same time!
If this is what we got instead of what we did get this would have been my fav sonic game. You did amazing!