Joe Dumars was pretty much the only Bad Boy Piston, atleast he was the only big name in that team, that Michael Jordan respected. It was because they always played fairly against each other. No cheap shots or attempts to hurt each other.
MJ said Joe was his toughest defender. That should end all the chit-chat on the subject. These two guys had mutual respect for each other. Joe named his son "Jordan". They always shook hands. And don't forget, Joe was two inches shorter than Michael. 6'3" vs 6'5". That's a big advantage.
Living in Detroit, I can say that Joe D was my favorite of the Bad Boys. He NEVER got the credit, or publicity Nationwide he deserved. The perfect basketball player & that's hard to say. He had Jordan seeing him in his sleep. GREAT player, teammate, G.M. (underrated as well) & a good person most of all
I grew up in the area too. Even went to one of Joe's camps in the summertime back in grade 8. He was a pro's pro. Minimal flash, all substance. Great shooter, great defender. And Joe had the clutch gene. Like a quieter, more effective, Reggie Miller. 2 rings and a fMVP are the proof.
I believe Joe's highest on MJ was 31, while MJ's highest on Joe was 61. Joe managed to outscore MJ five times out of seventy regular season & playoff games combined.
@@festusaniemeka3350 Providing stats isn't calm for you? There's a reason for the volume difference. For even Rodman proved capable of scoring 34 points in a game.
OK, because I sometimes turn into an OCD Statnerd I broke this down a bit. I noticed some comments saying Joe didn't slow him down he averaged 30 points per game. That's true, but in looking at what his playoff averages vs. other teams some of the stats are pretty amazing. I noticed that Dumars held him to well below his average in some games but then Mike would drop 40 in another, so that skewed the PPG average, so I broke their head to head games down individually. I hope you enjoy my nerdiness... In 88 Jordan averaged 45 PPG, 5 assists and shot .559 versus teams other that the Pistons. Against Detroit he averaged 27 PPG 5 assists and shot .491. (individual game points: 29, 36, 24, 23, 25) *** 18 points below his average and .068 lower. *** In 89 Jordan averaged 38 PPG 8 Assists and shot .534 versus teams other than the Pistons. Against Detroit he averaged 30PPG 7 assists and shot .460. (individual games 32, 46, 27, 23, 18, 32) ***8 points and 1 assist below his average and .074 lower. The 18 point game is pretty impressive. *** In 90 Jordan averaged 40 PPG 7 assists and shot .544 versus teams other than Detroit. Against Detroit he averaged 32 PPG 6 assists and shot .467. (individual games 32, 47, 42, 22, 29, 31, 20) ***8 points 1 assist below his average and .077 lower. *** In 91 the Bulls got the better of the Pistons. Jordan averaged 31 PPG 8 assists and shot .524 versus teams other than Detroit. (He shot poorly against the Knicks .489, but still averaged 33 points.) Against Detroit he averaged 29 PPG 7 assists and shot .535. (individual games 35, 33, 29, 22) *** 2 points and 1 assist below his average but slightly better shooting percentage .011)*** So, yes Jordan still scored about 30 PPG, and added about 6 or 7 Assists vs Dumars and the Pistons, that was considerably better than any other defender did.
And for what it's worth, Joe just played the game. He didn't get in the silly yapping battles with MJ, like Mad Max and Payton did. Those guys really looked silly at times. Looked like little kids talkin back to their parents
Over 12 regular season meetings in '87 and '88, Jordan averaged something like 40 ppg/53% FG against the Pistons with Dumars and Rodman guarding him. That's why Detroit enacted the Jordan Rules for the '88 playoffs and onward.
phillyrick what... I mean you realize he didn’t actually have a team ready until 91 right? That’s like saying the same shit for Lebron on why he never won in the early years of his career
Dumar’s was a master of his craft. Something you don’t see anymore in the NBA. These types of players were the ones that really won titles. Nothing flashy, just pure athletic talent and consistent. Commanded the floor and led his team through his actions. Zeke sold the tickets, but Duuumars managed the victories, the silent to assassin. A true leader. He was the guy running drills and practicing free throws while the Jordan’s s and Isiahs were hot dogging it and worrying about Nike contracts.
I watched most Bulls games since Jordan showed up in 84'. I've always said nobody gaurded Jordan straight up as well as Dumars. Did Joe stop him? Hell no, nobody ever stopped him but Joe made him earn it with legit "D" more than anyone else.
Well said. And Joe still got his 20 points or so. Regardless against Jordan or other top-flight guards. Just a solid contributor on both ends a guy you could count on
Was raised in Detroit and NYC..never a bulls fan..but u had to respect Jordan's game...Joe D was always a class act and solid player...your channel gets better and better bro...I always enjoy your content..keep up the good work
I love how the first thing he says when asked about his incredibly clutch block is how he screwed up and was supposed to not let him inbound the ball lol
Joe Dumars was a very underrated player and I loved him But I think the real reason Jordan gave a shout out to him as being his best defender is because Dumars was a very quiet and humble guy, Jordan respected that, because he really hated shit talkers
@@jp3813 True, but that is because those guys backed it up consistently John Starks, lol, I still remember that game 7 where he single handedly sunk the Knick's championship 2-18 shooting 0-11 3pointers
@@Adino1 That's a huge part of what I was referring to. I remember reports of MJ saying that Starks talked too much trash for someone who hadn't accomplished much yet.
Please do a video of the bad boy Pistons that showed why they were actually better than people realize! As in, Not a couple of hard foul clips over n over. What else did they do. High scoring (186pts), run'n'gun, played 3 guards with a stretch 5, Laimbeer was actually hated for shooting too many 3s (hit six in 1 game of finals). He also led league in rebounding once. Speaking of... Rodman as one of top 5 greatest freak athletes. Vinnie, the original microwave, Johnson. Scoring machine Mark Aguire. Isiah+JoeD as arguably top backcourt of all time(easily top 3). Legend coach Chuck Daly. It takes ridiculous talent to beat prime Magic, Bird, and Jordan. More to it than a couple hard fouls (yes, they were sore losers in 91 too).
I've said the same thing for the past 30 years. But don't nobody wanna hear that, smh. The best thing I've seen about the BAD BOY PISTONS was 30 For 30: BAD BOYS
Someone who’s overlooked is Michael Cooper as a defender vs Jordan. Jordan won his 1st championship vs Lakers. That Lakers team had just lost Cooper and Kareem to retirement. Cooper even said Bird was harder to guard than Jordan.
Hi Shawn David, and everybody else. As LaMar Matic has long known about me: Born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese American (showing you HOW I grew up). I used to practice my Joe Dumars 17-footers!
Because he is a serious and mature person until now like Kareem, Stockton, Larry Bird and Hakeem. I guess that he isnt been spoiled by money and fame like the majority of NBA players.
Joe Dumars was a great defensive player. No one could stop Jordan but Dumars did give him a tougher time on the court which at the end of the day was good enough to grab a few rings. If he were playing today Dumars would still be great👍👍
truthsetsyou4ree they say he selfish before Jackson became the coach,so from 1984-85 to89,jordans stats were 51.3fg %, 32.6 pts, 6.2 rbs, 2.8 stls, 1.2 blk, 5.9 ast. If his teammates were scoring his assists avg would have been higher,so it’s a big myth that Jordan didn’t pass the ball
MJ has consistenly and without hesitation has said his toughest defender he ever faced was Dumars. Check out these videos for proof. Michael Jordan on his greatest rivalries with Dominique Wilkins and Joe Dumars (1991) Michael Jordan Flight School 2017 Q&A Best Defender "Joe Dumars"
Joe Dumars is probably overlooked because he stayed with the Pistons his whole career, which is fine. I respect that decision being that it's where he won his 2 championships with the Bad Boys roster, but the thing is he still had so much to give that could have benefited another teams winning chances if he'd went some where else. I really think a guy like him would have been great in San Antonio or on the New York Knicks. Putting him with Patrick Ewing, not to mention John Starks in the backcourt could have helped the Knicks chances of beating Houston in 1994 that much better. He would have fit right in with their defense, and would have been able to add additional scoring that they needed.
Probably guarded him the best anyone ever has lmao like Mike still gonna get his make no mistake. it's just the effort and will you put into guarding him is why Joe is the 'Michael Jordan Stopper' Joe damn near face guarded him and denied him the ball, ran through picks off the ball trying to stop him from getting the ball for a whole 48 minutes every game they played. He did a helluva job shutting down Jordan the first 3 playoff series they played.
Sean, I realize Dennis Johnson was 30 when And Michael Cooper (was 28/29 years old ) when MJ came into the league.... however I’d like to see those numbers/ matchups.
This video missed a big point of the Pistons philosophy and plan in the Bad Boy era for beating Jordan. The goal was to make anyone but Michael beat you. That’s the key. Dumars was a perfect point man in the Jordan Rules. Play Michael tough and physical. Pressure him at the point. Try to force him to his left. Collapse to make his shots hard and wear him out. It’s that simple. Do that and he’d press the issue and it would disrupt the Bulls offensive flow. At that time no one else on the Bulls was going to beat you, so Jordan would start with playing hero ball, so pressing Jordan, under constant pressure was a great game plan. Much like the 2004 Pistons figured out that if you pressured Kobe, he’d press the issue (even though he had Shaq and didn’t need to) and he’d start playing hero ball, which hurt his team. Once Jordan’s teammates proved themselves, he learned championship basketball isn’t predicated on hero ball, and the Bulls toughened up….6 titles… They would have never won that many had not Jordan learned to go through Detroit. Much like the Pistons would not have won their two consecutive without learning from the Celtics.
That Pistons Team We're Cold Man They Beat Jordan Bull 88' 89' 90 Playoff Plus Taking 3 Out Of 5 During The Regular Season They Owned Chicago Bulls Dude
I'm still looking for video of Isiah Thomas playing dirty and taking cheap shots against the Chicago Bulls or any other teams. Did Dumars play dirty against Jordan? People believe "The Jordan Rules" were a violent assault of Jordan. Seems like all the Pistons did was D the Bulls up. Jordan thought he was entitled to a free path to the basket, which the Pistons denied.
Joe Dumars took his high class all the way to the Hall of Fame, if Dumars could play without the dirty cheap-shot game more of the Pistons should have tried that
It's funny to read how hated & dirty & bad the Pistons were for the NBA. Truth is w/no Bad Boys there would be no Bulls dynasty. Same way w/the Celtics & the Pistons before. Just an opinion
Jordan by far is the GOAT, but without Joe D and the Pistons, he would never have elevated his game. He entered the league in 1984 and did not win a title until 1991. So from 1984 to 1990 the Bulls could not get past Boston, LA or Detroit. Six years of losing is what made Jordan into the player he became. He dominated the 90s learning from the butt-kicking he got from Detroit. Scoring 50 points a game means nothing if you lose. You also have to remember, once the Bad Boys flag was retired, many ended up playing with Jordan (Rodman, Salley, and Edwards). They say you have to learn not to lose to become a winner. I believe Jordan is the perfect example of this.
Why dont you make a vid on why bill laimbeer isnt in the hall of fame? 2x champ, 4x allstar, 3x wnba champ (coach) and 2x wnba coach of the yr. Thats a pretty good resume not 1st ballot but still
It really is Steve. Laimbeer, Rodman, Isiah and at times Mahorn simply gooned it up out there. And that team had plenty of talent. In fact they are one of the deepest teams among all the great teams.
@@Black_Blow_Fly he was not the only one to be a dick on the court...but how come he is a 4x all star then in the most competitive time in NBAs history??? He beat up some judges to get in???... So you are compleately ok with Mchale close lining Rambis or Parish punching Laimbeer to the ground (context doesnt matter) while you have a problem with Laimbeer starting some brawls and trash talking...ok then... Bird was also an ass to most but he doesnt get this kind of comments...
This is funny. People say Dumars guarded Jordan good, I guess people did not ever see the other 4 guys on the floor helping. Dumar NEVER guarded him 1 on 1😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Detroit had a team plan to guard Jordan, the plan started with Dumars. Joe was a fantastic player.
The whole team was built on hard nosed defense and not much scoring aside from Zeke, Dumars, Aguirre and Johnson.
Need someone send me a breakdown of Joe Dumars defense
Joe Dumars was always a class act. I hated the Pistons, but liked that dude.
I’m a Bulls fan since the 80’s and I feel the exact same way about the pistons and Dumars as you do.
Joe Dumars was pretty much the only Bad Boy Piston, atleast he was the only big name in that team, that Michael Jordan respected. It was because they always played fairly against each other. No cheap shots or attempts to hurt each other.
Big facts.
At least until they got past us. Nothing lasts forever.
Old NBA era 80s to 90s is still the best ever.
MJ said Joe was his toughest defender. That should end all the chit-chat on the subject. These two guys had mutual respect for each other. Joe named his son "Jordan". They always shook hands. And don't forget, Joe was two inches shorter than Michael. 6'3" vs 6'5". That's a big advantage.
Is there a video of him saying this
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MJ saying Joe dumars is his best defender without hesitation.
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Cause he made the other one his son plenty of times.
@@mike04574 "Michael Jordan's Playground" (1990), directed by Zack Snyder.
MJ had to guard Joe as well. Joe was a scorer as well. I miss the old NBA.
He sure was. He was a very solid offensive player and scorercore and a decent distributor as well. And this alongside a top-flight guard in Isiah.
His jump shots were crazy, the ball seemed like it would touch the rafters before hitting the hoop.
I miss the old NBA as well, my friend!
All of us.
I miss it too!!🥲 I loved seeing a glimpse of that old NBA back in 2004!!
Living in Detroit, I can say that Joe D was my favorite of the Bad Boys. He NEVER got the credit, or publicity Nationwide he deserved. The perfect basketball player & that's hard to say. He had Jordan seeing him in his sleep. GREAT player, teammate, G.M.
(underrated as well) & a good person most of all
He won Finals MVP one of their championships. That's getting credit.
@@frankieboy8414 getting credit for that finals, but overall legacy is what everyone in this video and comment thread is referring to
I’m still pissed Joe D passed on Melo & Wade for Darko…… 🤬
“Joe d was my favorite of the bad boys”- pause
I grew up in the area too. Even went to one of Joe's camps in the summertime back in grade 8. He was a pro's pro. Minimal flash, all substance. Great shooter, great defender. And Joe had the clutch gene. Like a quieter, more effective, Reggie Miller. 2 rings and a fMVP are the proof.
Jordan himself said that he had to work a little harder when playing against Joe D
Joe was a gentleman and a warrior. That's high-level stuff. A true role model that I would want my kids to look up to.
Can only hope to slow Jordan down and joe did that. Pretty sure at the time, dumars is the only piston Jordan respected
phillyrick what? That’s a stretch...vin was a hell of a player but u r blowing it way out of proportion
Jordan Hates Isiah but also puts him as the #1 pg behind Magic. So MJ respects Zeke's game at least.
@@mmafan2223 and Rodman
Jordan stated dumars was his biggest challenge aka defender
My father RIP, and I were obsessed in the late 80s and 90s basketball.
What you didn't mention, though you got most of it, was that Joe might drop 34 on Mike as well. Joe could do that.
I believe Joe's highest on MJ was 31, while MJ's highest on Joe was 61. Joe managed to outscore MJ five times out of seventy regular season & playoff games combined.
@@jp3813 nobody could stop MJ in his prime….. they could slow him down but eventually MJ would get his
@@jp3813 bro calm down mike was a high volume guy on the offensive ends so he gonna have better numbers
@@festusaniemeka3350 Providing stats isn't calm for you? There's a reason for the volume difference. For even Rodman proved capable of scoring 34 points in a game.
OK, because I sometimes turn into an OCD Statnerd I broke this down a bit. I noticed some comments saying Joe didn't slow him down he averaged 30 points per game. That's true, but in looking at what his playoff averages vs. other teams some of the stats are pretty amazing. I noticed that Dumars held him to well below his average in some games but then Mike would drop 40 in another, so that skewed the PPG average, so I broke their head to head games down individually. I hope you enjoy my nerdiness...
In 88 Jordan averaged 45 PPG, 5 assists and shot .559 versus teams other that the Pistons.
Against Detroit he averaged 27 PPG 5 assists and shot .491. (individual game points: 29, 36, 24, 23, 25)
*** 18 points below his average and .068 lower. ***
In 89 Jordan averaged 38 PPG 8 Assists and shot .534 versus teams other than the Pistons.
Against Detroit he averaged 30PPG 7 assists and shot .460. (individual games 32, 46, 27, 23, 18, 32)
***8 points and 1 assist below his average and .074 lower. The 18 point game is pretty impressive. ***
In 90 Jordan averaged 40 PPG 7 assists and shot .544 versus teams other than Detroit.
Against Detroit he averaged 32 PPG 6 assists and shot .467. (individual games 32, 47, 42, 22, 29, 31, 20)
***8 points 1 assist below his average and .077 lower. ***
In 91 the Bulls got the better of the Pistons. Jordan averaged 31 PPG 8 assists and shot .524 versus teams other than Detroit. (He shot poorly against the Knicks .489, but still averaged 33 points.)
Against Detroit he averaged 29 PPG 7 assists and shot .535. (individual games 35, 33, 29, 22)
*** 2 points and 1 assist below his average but slightly better shooting percentage .011)***
So, yes Jordan still scored about 30 PPG, and added about 6 or 7 Assists vs Dumars and the Pistons, that was considerably better than any other defender did.
Joe Dumars, Vernon Maxwell aka Mad Max and Gary Payton aka The Glove are the best three Jordan defenders ever!.
And for what it's worth, Joe just played the game. He didn't get in the silly yapping battles with MJ, like Mad Max and Payton did. Those guys really looked silly at times. Looked like little kids talkin back to their parents
you got to put Ron Harper and Mitch Richmond on that list too.
@@adrianashby1033 Mitch Richmond always gets overlooked because he was on bad Sacramento Kings Team.
@@RaiderGannon12 true. I felt Mitch primarily gave Jordan trouble in that he was a solid 20-25 ppg man. Not so much on defense.
@@RaiderGannon12 Otis Thorpe too.
Man, i miss the 90s.
I grew up watching the Bad Boys, and Joe D was and still is my favorite Piston.
Over 12 regular season meetings in '87 and '88, Jordan averaged something like 40 ppg/53% FG against the Pistons with Dumars and Rodman guarding him. That's why Detroit enacted the Jordan Rules for the '88 playoffs and onward.
In 88 Jordan averaged 27 points against the Pistons, 45 points against the rest of the playoff teams.
Bo Fletcher jordan avg 34point vs the pistons (1987-88 season)
How many games did the Bulls win?
T Uno pistons won 4,bulls 2 but the point was dumars,Rodman and the rest of the pistons didn’t actually lock jordan down
@@reneecastle6746 Nobody could. Just try to slow him down and not let the others beat you. Mission accomplished.
Joe D. was always my favorite player from the 80’s and 90’s.
He did his Best..actually a good defender...but MJ scored at will..especially in the late 80 s..
phillyrick what... I mean you realize he didn’t actually have a team ready until 91 right?
That’s like saying the same shit for Lebron on why he never won in the early years of his career
Dumar’s was a master of his craft. Something you don’t see anymore in the NBA. These types of players were the ones that really won titles. Nothing flashy, just pure athletic talent and consistent. Commanded the floor and led his team through his actions. Zeke sold the tickets, but Duuumars managed the victories, the silent to assassin. A true leader. He was the guy running drills and practicing free throws while the Jordan’s s and Isiahs were hot dogging it and worrying about Nike contracts.
I watched most Bulls games since Jordan showed up in 84'.
I've always said nobody gaurded Jordan straight up as well as Dumars.
Did Joe stop him? Hell no, nobody ever stopped him but Joe made him earn it with legit "D" more than anyone else.
Joe was ight couldn't hold Mike not period good try though
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Well said. And Joe still got his 20 points or so. Regardless against Jordan or other top-flight guards. Just a solid contributor on both ends a guy you could count on
MICHAEL. JORDAN. SAID , WHEN. HIS. CAREER. WAS. OVER . MITCH. RICHMOND. WAS. TOUGHEST. GUY. AGAINST. ME. ON. BOTHS. ENDS . > 🎤
@@cliftonjones7450 Nobody could hold Mike.
Was raised in Detroit and NYC..never a bulls fan..but u had to respect Jordan's game...Joe D was always a class act and solid player...your channel gets better and better bro...I always enjoy your content..keep up the good work
I swear I remember watching a game where Joe held him under double digits.
I love how the first thing he says when asked about his incredibly clutch block is how he screwed up and was supposed to not let him inbound the ball lol
Joe Dumars was a very underrated player and I loved him
But I think the real reason Jordan gave a shout out to him as being his best defender is because Dumars was a very quiet and humble guy, Jordan respected that, because he really hated shit talkers
But MJ was a trash talker too
@@usernickname6710 I didn't say MJ wasn't a hypocrite
Depends on how the talking was done. MJ generally likes Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton, etc... but hated John Starks.
@@jp3813 True, but that is because those guys backed it up consistently
John Starks, lol, I still remember that game 7 where he single handedly sunk the Knick's championship 2-18 shooting 0-11 3pointers
@@Adino1 That's a huge part of what I was referring to. I remember reports of MJ saying that Starks talked too much trash for someone who hadn't accomplished much yet.
No player in the NBA can be stopped. But, they can be contained.
- Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf
Except javale mcgee
@@animeguitarguy Put some respect on Javale McGhee’s name
It's always the same; this guy gave MJ a hard time!
MJ: Drops 30
@Felix Bruyns
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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@Felix Bruyns but the guy shoot 50%. His teammates? Nevermind. 🤣
Jordan dropped 63 in the Boston Garden and still lost...so what?
MJ said it himself..Joe Dumars
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Please do a video of the bad boy Pistons that showed why they were actually better than people realize! As in, Not a couple of hard foul clips over n over. What else did they do.
High scoring (186pts), run'n'gun, played 3 guards with a stretch 5, Laimbeer was actually hated for shooting too many 3s (hit six in 1 game of finals). He also led league in rebounding once. Speaking of... Rodman as one of top 5 greatest freak athletes. Vinnie, the original microwave, Johnson. Scoring machine Mark Aguire. Isiah+JoeD as arguably top backcourt of all time(easily top 3). Legend coach Chuck Daly. It takes ridiculous talent to beat prime Magic, Bird, and Jordan. More to it than a couple hard fouls (yes, they were sore losers in 91 too).
I've said the same thing for the past 30 years. But don't nobody wanna hear that, smh. The best thing I've seen about the BAD BOY PISTONS was 30 For 30: BAD BOYS
Someone who’s overlooked is Michael Cooper as a defender vs Jordan.
Jordan won his 1st championship vs Lakers. That Lakers team had just lost Cooper and Kareem to retirement. Cooper even said Bird was harder to guard than Jordan.
This is about Joe D. No one gives a shit about what you're talking about dude. Show some mf respect
I believe MJ's numbers against Cooper are nearly the same as the ones against Joe.
Jordan and Cooper rarely met, dumdum.
@@lurking0death They played 6 seasons together, dumdum. Cooper always guarded the best wing players. He's one of the few guards to win DPOY. DUMDUM
Hi Shawn David, and everybody else. As LaMar Matic has long known about me: Born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese American (showing you HOW I grew up). I used to practice my Joe Dumars 17-footers!
Defence... imagine playing that these days ;) Joe comes across as a great guy.
Great video..Joe definitely is a legend ..so cool but no back down..doesnt get enough love
Super under rated hall of famer, Joe's defense is legendary NO QUESTION !
Joe Dumars... I called him Mr. Serious, cause he always looked serious during games.
Thanks for explaining the nickname
@@mosesjerusalem32 weirdo
@@user-rj5uj8cc4f sopa du macacu uma delicia
Because he is a serious and mature person until now like Kareem, Stockton, Larry Bird and Hakeem. I guess that he isnt been spoiled by money and fame like the majority of NBA players.
I recall Jordan said himself, that his toughest battles were with Joe Dumars.
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My favorite Joe Duuumars.Its a Piston thang.
My favorite Bad Boy
Joe Dumars was a great defensive player. No one could stop Jordan but Dumars did give him a tougher time on the court which at the end of the day was good enough to grab a few rings. If he were playing today Dumars would still be great👍👍
"Joe was the best" said Michael Jordan.
Thank you Sean..
I requested you did a video of Joe a while back :) Greatly appreciate your work good sir ✌️
There's rarely anyone you see playing these days that is the sort of player, competitor, and gentleman that Joe Dumars was. Kids just don't know
Probably most underrated shooting gaurd ever. Hell of a defender
Good topic again ! You the best sean
Jordan was never selfish. Just because he scored over 30 a game doesnt indicate that he didnt trust his teammates.
@truthsetsyou4ree He average over 5 assist per game for his career
truthsetsyou4ree they say he selfish before Jackson became the coach,so from 1984-85 to89,jordans stats were 51.3fg %, 32.6 pts, 6.2 rbs, 2.8 stls, 1.2 blk, 5.9 ast. If his teammates were scoring his assists avg would have been higher,so it’s a big myth that Jordan didn’t pass the ball
@truthsetsyou4ree dont be slow. There was a season where he averaged 32 8 and 8
Joe was the best hands down...
I want that jersey!!!
Can you or do you have a clip about what NBA legends think of Joe Dumas?
MJ has consistenly and without hesitation has said his toughest defender he ever faced was Dumars. Check out these videos for proof.
Michael Jordan on his greatest rivalries with Dominique Wilkins and Joe Dumars (1991)
Michael Jordan Flight School 2017 Q&A Best Defender "Joe Dumars"
0:54 Why does the NBA logo explode in your intro?
How *well* did he guard MJ, not how good. Grammar police is everywhere :)
Love the channel btw, great job Sean.
English is probably not his first language.
Mr. Piston!
Imagine being so good that averaging 31.1 and shooting 47% made your defender look good🤣🤣
Joe Dumars is probably overlooked because he stayed with the Pistons his whole career, which is fine. I respect that decision being that it's where he won his 2 championships with the Bad Boys roster, but the thing is he still had so much to give that could have benefited another teams winning chances if he'd went some where else. I really think a guy like him would have been great in San Antonio or on the New York Knicks. Putting him with Patrick Ewing, not to mention John Starks in the backcourt could have helped the Knicks chances of beating Houston in 1994 that much better. He would have fit right in with their defense, and would have been able to add additional scoring that they needed.
Probably guarded him the best anyone ever has lmao like Mike still gonna get his make no mistake. it's just the effort and will you put into guarding him is why Joe is the 'Michael Jordan Stopper' Joe damn near face guarded him and denied him the ball, ran through picks off the ball trying to stop him from getting the ball for a whole 48 minutes every game they played. He did a helluva job shutting down Jordan the first 3 playoff series they played.
Basketball was so special back then I'm sorry but we have nothing like this in the NBA today
As the longtime Pistons public address announcer Ken Calvert would say,,.........Joe Duuuuuuuuuumars
Sean, I realize Dennis Johnson was 30 when And Michael Cooper (was 28/29 years old ) when MJ came into the league.... however I’d like to see those numbers/ matchups.
Joe was the best Jordan defender
Love me some George Blaha!
Count that baby and a foul
his voice sounds like baltimore amd australia has a baby😂
When Joe would lead Jordan into Rodman, Jordan would always pass the ball out. He was such a fast, tough and smart defensive player.
Great video and all but Sean you have already shown us this particular video before in times past so why show it again regardless anyway.
Look at that jordan popped collar
The fact that joe dumars studied Michael Jordan was pretty clever
He was simply the best to have actually guarded Michael Jordan apart from Gary Payton without a doubt and according to MJ himself period.
@Felix BruynsNah! I don't think so cause you're so wrong and i don't agree with you.
Felix Bruyns no one locked Jordan down. You must be tweeking...
This video missed a big point of the Pistons philosophy and plan in the Bad Boy era for beating Jordan. The goal was to make anyone but Michael beat you. That’s the key. Dumars was a perfect point man in the Jordan Rules.
Play Michael tough and physical. Pressure him at the point. Try to force him to his left. Collapse to make his shots hard and wear him out. It’s that simple. Do that and he’d press the issue and it would disrupt the Bulls offensive flow.
At that time no one else on the Bulls was going to beat you, so Jordan would start with playing hero ball, so pressing Jordan, under constant pressure was a great game plan.
Much like the 2004 Pistons figured out that if you pressured Kobe, he’d press the issue (even though he had Shaq and didn’t need to) and he’d start playing hero ball, which hurt his team.
Once Jordan’s teammates proved themselves, he learned championship basketball isn’t predicated on hero ball, and the Bulls toughened up….6 titles…
They would have never won that many had not Jordan learned to go through Detroit. Much like the Pistons would not have won their two consecutive without learning from the Celtics.
The one piston I didn’t hate
That Pistons Team We're Cold Man They Beat Jordan Bull 88' 89' 90 Playoff Plus Taking 3 Out Of 5 During The Regular Season They Owned Chicago Bulls Dude
I'm still looking for video of Isiah Thomas playing dirty and taking cheap shots against the Chicago Bulls or any other teams. Did Dumars play dirty against Jordan? People believe "The Jordan Rules" were a violent assault of Jordan. Seems like all the Pistons did was D the Bulls up. Jordan thought he was entitled to a free path to the basket, which the Pistons denied.
Jordan rules started over a hotel phone call between Thomas and Chuck daly
MJ said Joe Dumars gave him Nightmares, & also pushed him to be a better Basketball player, Just like Larry Bird pushed MJ to his limits…
first 3D player in 90s
And I thought Dumars was a candy bar...
Joe Dumars took his high class all the way to the Hall of Fame, if Dumars could play without the dirty cheap-shot game more of the Pistons should have tried that
Umm he was born on the 24th of May, not March. How disrespectful 😤
10:15 lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Isaiah Thomas didn't have to do him like that.
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The question should be was any1 capable of getting stops against goat.
It's funny to read how hated & dirty & bad the Pistons were for the NBA. Truth is w/no
Bad Boys there would be no Bulls dynasty. Same way w/the Celtics & the Pistons before. Just an opinion
Jordan by far is the GOAT, but without Joe D and the Pistons, he would never have elevated his game. He entered the league in 1984 and did not win a title until 1991. So from 1984 to 1990 the Bulls could not get past Boston, LA or Detroit. Six years of losing is what made Jordan into the player he became. He dominated the 90s learning from the butt-kicking he got from Detroit. Scoring 50 points a game means nothing if you lose. You also have to remember, once the Bad Boys flag was retired, many ended up playing with Jordan (Rodman, Salley, and Edwards). They say you have to learn not to lose to become a winner. I believe Jordan is the perfect example of this.
Do you mean “How WELL...?”
Geez was this about Dumars or Jordan?
Actually it's about both of them
Damn! Joe's ft% was two better than MJ's. I wonder what his numbers compare against Payton during that period?
Only reason Jordan said that was because he wanted to make sure Isiah heard it about dumars. Jordan liked dumars as a person. Lol
Joe Dumars always looked like a 35 year old man his entire life
Dumars contained Jordan and literally nobody else could say they did that
I had Mitch Richmond basketball card when i was 13 Jordan said on the back of the card Mitch was his toughest task
Mitch was the toughest to guard, but Joe was his toughest defender.
Why dont you make a vid on why bill laimbeer isnt in the hall of fame? 2x champ, 4x allstar, 3x wnba champ (coach) and 2x wnba coach of the yr. Thats a pretty good resume not 1st ballot but still
Limiting Jordan to below 48% is the best defense on him 😅
Gary payton 37 % on jordan 1996 finals.😭
No doubt, he's the best defensive guard
Joe Dumars didn't make the top 75 players, that's messed up. Michael Jordan said Joe Dumars was the toughest defender to play against.
A HARD TIME was 31ppg on a 48FG%….
It’s too bad the Pistons are defined by players like Bill Lambier.
It really is Steve. Laimbeer, Rodman, Isiah and at times Mahorn simply gooned it up out there. And that team had plenty of talent. In fact they are one of the deepest teams among all the great teams.
Dude cmon...Laimbeer was the original strech 5..media washed out your brain...
Republika Dugave listen jackass I watched all those nba games back during that era. He was a real piece of sh*t.
@@Black_Blow_Fly he was not the only one to be a dick on the court...but how come he is a 4x all star then in the most competitive time in NBAs history??? He beat up some judges to get in???... So you are compleately ok with Mchale close lining Rambis or Parish punching Laimbeer to the ground (context doesnt matter) while you have a problem with Laimbeer starting some brawls and trash talking...ok then... Bird was also an ass to most but he doesnt get this kind of comments...
Republika Dugave a douche is a douche and man was he really a douche.
Tim Hardaway sure looks great for his age.
This is funny. People say Dumars guarded Jordan good, I guess people did not ever see the other 4 guys on the floor helping. Dumar NEVER guarded him 1 on 1😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What about Ron Harper....
He is the only player who has received respect from Michael.
You know what the 🐐 Kobe Bryant would had done to that defense and joe dumars? SMDH.
Hoping you don’t rely on analytics that did not apply to the league back then. I am watching.
MJ liked Dumars other pistons not so much
Joe Dumars is very good at man-to-man guard, but he is not good at contested the shot because of his height
Gary Payton was not as good at guarding Jordan as Dumars, lol. That's a myth.