When a PHD credited Professor of New Testament Interpretation can be this humble about his own explanations and stance on these things, it is quite interesting that Christians who are far less studied can scoff and slander others for holding a different view than they. Thank you, Dr. Schreiner for your clarity, charity, and candor.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve: My view of the Millennium agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20. My view agrees with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20. My view agrees with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing. The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20. My view agrees with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage. There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19. My view agrees with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness. My view agrees with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time. Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time. Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
Exactly. That's why I'm so weary of denominations who build their whole identity around a few obscure passages or principals. We all have Christ, and the Bible is very clear in that Christ is all we need. All that other minutiae, we can find out together who was right and who was wrong once we get there, but it's nothing that should divide us while we're here.
@@SpotterVideo I keep finding your posts on different videos and I don't realize it's you until I accidentally hit something and then your name pops up, but I agree with your views and everything so far that I read. Thank you very much for expressing yourself so I know I'm not the only one that feels this way
THIS IS THE MUST IMPORTANT VIDEO I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE. HE IS RIGHT. IT'S FUNNY. WE DON'T PREACH OUR RESURRECTIONS. HE IS ALSO RIGHT ABOUT US BEING RAISED IN THE FLESH. WE ARE RAISED BACK TO CHRIST ON THIS EARTH. NOT IN THE AIR OR CLOUDS AS PAUL SAYS IN THESSALONIAN. THIS IS PAUL SPEAKING IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY. BUT IT IS INTERESTING THAT HE SPEAKS ABOUT THE MARTYRS BE RAISED FIRST AND THEN US AFTER THE 1000 YEAR REIGN. THIS BLOWS MY MIND. ITS A PUZZLING THAT THERE ARE TWO VIEWS OF OUR RESURRECTIONS. WE CAN KNOW WHEN CHRIST WILL RETURN. ITS IN THE BIBLE. WE CAN KNOW WHEN THE TRIBULATION PERIOD WILL START. ITS IN OUR BIBLE. BUT IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT NO ONE PREACHES OUR RESURRECTIONS. THIS IS AN AWESOME VIDEO. I AM GLAD YOU REALIZE THIS. GOD BLESS YOU
yes i keep coming back to it as I progress in understanding and getting further away from dispensationalism and pre melenialism I keep coming back to this video.
Though I'm a convinced premillenialist, this man's graciousness on a tough subject is very refreshing. For one thing, he didn't call anyone "stupid" or a "liar."
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
@@razzarelli1988 ... of COURSE false doctrines SHOULD divide. ----------------- Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Wow this mans humility and gracefulness is far more important than any of the endtimes doctrines. I'm just happy to be in the kingdom of God after hearing such a delightful man of God.
What?! Humility and favor in men's philosophy is *FAR MORE IMPORTANT* than *principles of the doctrine of Christ (Heb. 6:1-2)?* Wow to that comment. We're supposed to be humble to God & His Word (John 17:17; Jas. 4:7-10; 1Pet. 5:6;). NOT accepting or tolerant of just *any or all doctrines.* Souls perish in error (Jas. 5:20; 2Pet. 3:17). YAH have mercy & bring hearts to godly sorrow that worketh repentance to salvation (2Cor. 7:10).
@@walkinthelight1748 Far more important than arguing doctrine, and thus stepping outside of Christ like characteristics to stand on the untruthful dogmatic intellectual eschatological ideas that just distract us from walking in love and grace. That was my piont.
Galatians 1:6b-8 KJV - "...there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, *let him be accursed.* As we said before, so say I now again, *If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."* Galatians 6:1 KJV - "Brethren, *if a man be overtaken in a fault,* ye which are spiritual, *restore such an one in the spirit of meekness;* considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted." 2John 1:8-10 KJV - "Look to yourselves, that we lose NOT those things which we have wrought, BUT *that we receive a full reward.* *Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth NOT in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.* *If there come ANY unto you, and bring NOT this doctrine, receive him NOT into your house, NEITHER bid him God speed:"* John 8:31-32 KJV - "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, *If ye continue in my WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed;* And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." 2Tim. 4:2 KJV-"Preach *the WORD;* be instant in season, out of season; *reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine."* James 1:21 KJV - "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, *and receive with meekness the engrafted WORD, which is able to save your souls."* John 16:13; 1Timothy 4; 5:20-21; Titus 1; 2:11-15; Rev. 3:19.
@@e.r.m8986 id take a bashful man who stays true to the Word of God rather than slithering nice people who are open to different interpretations. The best option is to be please God by being kind, doing justice, and walking humbly and if any of this contradicts staying true and firm to true doctrines, then it doesn’t please God.
-->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Zechariah 14:4-5 KJV And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. [5] And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
@@larrybedouin2921 If you're so sure that all three positions on the millennial reign of Christ referred to in Rev 20 and described by Tom are apostate teachings, you should be able to tell us what the _correct_ teaching on the millennial reign is, so why don't you? I await your reply with bated breath as I'm always willing to hear people out, but I must admit that I'm a tad wary of private interpretations... 2 Peter 1: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
@@oldnikonian343 Jewish wedding symbolism: (A gospel within the gospel) "Let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house (in heaven) are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, and receive you unto myself; *that where I am* there (in heaven) you may be also. And where I go you know, and the way you know." Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father (who art in heaven), but by me." {John 14:1-6} --The time of the wedding was determined by the bridegroom's father and at the time determined by the father the bridegroom would fetch his bride and bring her back to his place prepared for them at his father's house. And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. {Revelation 8:1} But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED UNTO FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men {2 Peter 3:7} (Jer 4:23-28, Zeph 3:6) .... Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. {2 Peter 3:13} --The resurrected saints will enter in the gates of heaven into the new Jerusalem, that has been prepared for us in heaven. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. {Revelation 22:14} (But *the rest of the dead* lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection. {Revelation 20:5} ^ No man left alive on earth, after Jesus Christ comes again. Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus will raise up us also by Jesus, and will present us with you (in heaven). {2 Corinthians 4:14} To the end [objective] he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness BEFORE God, even our Father, (who art in heaven) at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints. {1 Thessalonians 3:13} (The time of the wedding feast) "But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you IN MY FATHER'S KINGDOM." {Matthew 26:29} --The saints, after the thousand years (tabernacle) in heaven, the saints of God will descend with the Father and the Son and the host of heaven, with the new city and we will be spectators in our Creator's new six day creation of the new heavens and of the new earth. (Rev 21:1, Is 66:22-23, Zach 8:3, 14:4) And the goat (scapegoat) will bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land NOT INHABITED: and he will release the goat in the wilderness. {Leviticus 16:22} And when the thousand years are expired, satan (the literal Azazel the scapegoat) will be loosed out of his prison, (also chains of circumstance.) (The resurrection of the condemnation.) And will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, GOG and MAGOG, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and DEVOURED them. {Revelation 20:7-9} And death and hell (hades the grave) where cast into the lake of fire, *this is the second death* {Revelation 20:14} And the saints will sing; O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory? {1 Corinthians 15:55} --Like the children of Israel, the saints will have a dispensation (time) of tabernacle with God the Father and with his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ in heaven, before the inheritance (and our eternal kingdom, and home in the country) is given to the saints. This being the new heavens and the new earth, that the nation of Israel symbolized in the type of the end time greater reality. These [The Patriarchs] all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed THAT THEY WERE STRANGERS AND PILGRIMS ON THE EARTH. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, THAT IS AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city. {Romans 11:13-16} Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for GREAT IS YOUR REWARD IN HEAVEN: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. {Matthew 5:12} For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. {2 Corinthians 5:1} And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. {Revelation 21:22}
@@larrybedouin2921 You must have misunderstood my request. I said... "f you're so sure that all three positions on the millennial reign of Christ referred to in Rev 20 and described by Tom are apostate teachings, you should be able to tell us what the correct teaching on the millennial reign is, so why don't you? " What you did instead was post a shed load of scripture with no interpretation. So why don't you now, "tell us what the correct teaching on the millennial reign is"
A Millennium Puzzle to solve: My view of the Millennium agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20. My view agrees with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20. My view agrees with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing. The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20. My view agrees with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage. There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19. My view agrees with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness. My view agrees with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time. Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time. Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
Very impressed by his explanation of each belief and his resolve to present them without bias. I lean towards premillennialism but his points about a-millennial have spark in me an interest to study it more. If he can approach each theory without bias and be educated on each so can I. Great video and keep up the good work.
I’m going more A-mill. that was the predominant view of the church for centuries. I need to study HISTORIC premill some. Dispensational premill has heresy and blasphemy written all over it and was never taught by anyone till 200 years ago. Every time the word 1,000 is used in scripture it is symbolic. Can this one chapter in Revelation be an exception? I am not sure. I do know this, there will never again be any animal sacrifices to atone for sin as dispensational theology teaches thus nullifying Jesus’ eternal once for all sacrifice. Also Ezekiel 40-48 does not teach this is a future temple at all. God told Ezekiel to show that people at that time the vision while they were still in Babylonian captivity. It was supposed to be the 2nd temple. They ended up with Herod’s temple as many did not go back to Judah once the 70 years were up. It was a CONDITIONAL promise if even a promise at all. It wasn’t even promised to them. Merely, “show THIS people the vision”. God would never condone going back to animal sacrifices. God destroyed the rebuilding of the temple several times in AD 363 when they tried to rebuild under Emperor Julian. I almost wonder if we are in the time where the Bible says Satan was to be loosed for a season. It makes sense as everything got very evil very quickly. Think about it. The world was forcing people to allow an injection into their body that came from murder of the unborn. And then you lost your job if you didn’t comply. All the while knowing millions were going to die from the vaccines which is happening right now through heart attacks and being kept hush hush. Now if a literal 1,000 year reign is true, We have Jesus mocking his own blood as the Melchizedekian high priest of the millennium. It just doesn’t make any Biblical sense and creates all kinds of contradictions in scripture and makes many verses and whole passages in scripture deny the new covenant as being the EVERLASTING GOSPEL. Where I am at on this.
Yes, the holy spirit will lead us into all truth...I was pre trib, pre mil. I was raised that way..one day when I was young a man asked me..do you study scripture or commentary? I bought me a Bible without commentaries throughout the pages..now I see clearly what the word of God says. The commentary of the Schofield bible is to indoctrinate the minds of young believers..it is actually a dangerous thing to add to scripture, as much as taking away from it..I hope you keep reading the scriptures..because there are things added by movies and books that are definantly error.. The words of jesus showed me how his biggest warning to his disciples was of decievers teaching the scriptures..have a great day..
Thank you for your explanation. It made Amillennial clearer to me. I had not heard of that term until recently and was confused. I don't personally agree but respect what others believe.
I'm grateful for this issue on a number of levels. 1. I'm grateful that it's not a Gospel requirement theologically. We aren't guilty of damnation for getting this one wrong. 2. I'm grateful that we have theological issues like this where we can disagree and wrestle with theology in good fellowship with each other. 3. Most of all, I'm grateful that in our wrestling God's glory still shines through the text of his revelation to us. He is all the more beautiful and glorious to me even where our theological conclusions are less than certain. I have no doubt that God knows how difficult this issue is for us to discern from the revelation that he has provided. If anything, this tells me that what is important isn't the historical implications of the text (past, present, or future), but rather that God is sovereign in all matters at all times. He has a plan although we may not be able to discern it very well at all, and we can trust him in this, especially that he has provided his promised Messiah, Jesus Christ, that we might trust him in all his name entails.
Isaiah 11:6-11 NKJV "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. [7] The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. [8] The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den. [9] They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea. [10] "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious." [11] It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea.
Except every pre mill church treats it as a core doctrine they really need to focus on the basics instead of so much on the end which will the way it comes without God asking us for our opinion
Wonderfully and beautifully balanced presentation of the views regarding millennium. I am a premill, but I am always learning to be humble towards those who don't hold my views, especially in non essential matters compared to the Gospel.
Although I’m thoroughly reformed, Schreiner is one of the scholars whom I really trust. He is always fair, balanced, careful, faithful to the text, and gracious in his approach to these type of subjects. That doesn’t mean that I agree with him on every subject but I wouldn’t hesitate to read him and seriously consider his views. There’s only a handful of people I would say that about.
I greatly appreciate this talk. Dr Schreiner argues the case persuasively for both Premillennialism and Amillennialism. I liked it so much, I've spent some time transcribing what he says. As I pause the video to type a few words, I can't help noticing how many times he smiles! I think he enjoys the stimulation of winsomely presenting an argument - including one he is not ultimately sold on!
John Piper did an excellent job of moderating the debate. I am a Premillennialist, but each one of the men acted as gentlemen in discussing their differences. Thankfully, all things are going exactly according to God's timetable. When we stand before Him we will all have to modify our theology in one area or another. In the meantime, let's "occupy until He comes!" Luke 19:13.
As a futuristic premillennialist, this brother did a great job! It really is solely between amil and premil, those are the only views that can biblically hold water! We all need to make sure that we’re looking at our theology through the lenses of our Bible and not looking at our Bible through the lenses of our theology.
@Jonathan Thomas No, I’ve never read a book on any eschatological view. I dont have any issues with books, but I do think that’s a huge part of the reason why so many people have different eschatologies. If we all read the word and trusted the Holy Spirit to teach us instead of running off to a commentary, sermon, or book every time we get confused or want greater understanding. Whether the majority would be premillennial or amillennial (I’m positive they’d be premil), then we’d be much more United on this. I could be wrong about this next guess, but I’m assuming your postmil, due to that I’m going to keep my response short and sweet bc I don’t if you do believe it then my reasoning won’t convince you. So, the only result I can see from me giving my reasoning why postmil isn’t biblical would be one of stirring up anger or controversy. If you really want to know, I’d say just read the word and forget the books, commentaries, and even previously held theology. If you let the word shape it (IMO), there’s just no way to come out of it as a postmil
Nonsense! -->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
The more I read Revelation and research, the more convinced I become that we cannot know the answer right now because not enough has been revealed to us in the world yet. I think it will become clearer with time.
The following study should help if you are willing to take the time. Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture? (Chronological or Recapitulation?) (Literal vs. Figurative?) Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Graveyards needed? Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10 Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously? Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11? Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14? If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then? John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20. Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11? Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5? John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Were you dead, and now you are alive? John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead. Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29? How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3? How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46? Isaiah 65:17-25? Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context… The New Heavens and New Earth are found at the beginning of the passage, and the end of the curse is found at the end of the passage. What happens if verse 20 begins with a negative statement? "There will be no more..." Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? How would mortals survive this fire? Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20? Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1? When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18? What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21? Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return? Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55? Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24. Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31? What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones? What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13? Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Is there a correlation between Revelation 20 and earlier passages in the Book of Revelation? Is Revelation chapter 20 another example of “Recapitulation”? Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev_18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Judgment Before the Great White Throne. Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revealtion says the exact opposite in Revelation 1. It says we should read it and know it." Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near."
“In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, and in all things charity.”- Rupertus Meldenius This is a non-essential, but very interesting, even fun, to consider.
So you actually think the Scriptures are "non-essential"... how many Scriptures do you consider non-essential.. did GOD put them in the Bible for NO REASON? ------------------------- Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
It's actually very essential, because every last thing in the Bible is truth and extremely essential to understand. Don't push it aside, but seek the lord with all your heart to KNOW his truth. Deception overtakes the one who doesn't believe the whole Bible is essential. If it wasn't then the Lord would not have it written exactly the way He has from start to finish.
Thank you for bringing up all the issues I struggle with re: Premillennialism vs. Amillennialism. I like a teacher who takes these head on- but with humility and clarity. This helped me a lot. I struggle with Isaiah 65:20 which sounds like a pro premillennialism view.
Excellent summary. Dean Davis wrote a comprehensive book on eschatology called “The High King of Heaven “ that I’m slogging through. In chapter 1 he points out the two basic types: personal and cosmic. We can all agree that we are all going to meet Jesus Christ one day. Period. A-millennialism has helped me overcome disillusionment with the prophecy hucksters that have profited by mans inherent fear of the future. Christ could return today or in a hundred years. “Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming “. This is what matters most.
To balance "could be a day or a 100 years" . Please read Matt 24 :3 ,36-- 42, Luke 21 7,:29--36. We must be able to ID the SEASON of its approach or those verses are pointless, dont you think?
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people. -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Some things have to happen before Christ returns to earth. The anti-christ has to take his position as a ruler. Jesus Christ cannot destroy him and set up his kingdom before that time.
What a refreshing perspective. Dr. Schreiner, your humbleness on this topic was so appreciated. I am actually a new seminary student, and I was wracked with fear about choosing the "wrong" school based on eschatological convictions. I wasn't (and still am not) even sure what MY beliefs are, but seeing the exteme vitriol between dispensational and covenant theologians online really caused me a lot of stress. It's so nice to hear this topic addressed BIBLICALLY and with a humble heart. Thanks again!
I too am Amil and it's been difficult to find others who share this same viewpoint due to growing up solely with Premil teaching in most churches. As I began studying the Bible for myself rather than getting spoon-fed the information, I noticed the facts that you shared. And logically there has to be a purpose for heaven! That's where Christ is currently ruling and reigning until His 2nd Coming...
Peace to you Judy. In most church services I grew up in, they didn't too much mention the Revelation. I hadn't read it until around 2013. I was brought to repentance at a message from Matt. 7:21-23, reading John 15:1-8, Matt. 25, & the Revelation chapters 2 & 3. He told me to study. I've been reading, studying, submitting & praying to obey Him. Luke 24:45 KJV - "Then opened he their understanding, *that they might understand the scriptures,"* I believe on Him as the scriptures say, and believe the Lord opens understandings, *that WE might understand the scripture.* I was told I was given a word of knowledge (1Cor. 12:8). I've had to let go of some presuppositions I held from the church I became a minister in. To me, the premil view seems in line with the conclusions I read within scripture texts. People had to spoon-feed me an amil viewpoint, just for me to know about it because it's not read within the text. Proverbs 25:2 NKJV - "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter." I have a hard time believing you didn't listen to *ANYONE ELSE (at all)* for you to believe an amil view now. Please consider this carefully. I'm not saying you didn't choose this conclusion yourself, but I'm asking if you listened *to ANYONE ELSE* before changing your mind to hold an amil view?
Judy, scripture explains that heaven is God's throne (Psa. 11:4; Isa. 66:1). I understand that as the third heaven (2Cor.12:2), the place that was considered PARADISE; where it was unlawful for Paul to talk about. I don't mean the Gen. 1:8 (sky) "heaven" when *God called the firmament "heaven".* Birds *fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of that heaven (Gen. 1:20).* Genesis 1:8 NKJV - "And *God called the firmament Heaven.* So the evening and the morning were the second day." Genesis 1:20 NKJV - "Then God said, 'Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let *birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.' ”* Each person's experience is different. I get that. But *the truth is the truth.* He plainly said *'amil' means 'NO millennium'.* Amillennialism' denies a thousand year reign (what the scripture literally said). At judgement, do you think affirming *'NO millennium'* will go without consequence (Matt. 4:4; Luke 4:4)? Matthew 12:36 KJV - "But I say unto you, That *EVERY idle WORD that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."*
@@walkinthelight1748 You misheard what he said. He said that its unfair that its called amillenialism (either that premils or postmils gave them that title) and preferred the term "realized millenials". And if you heard the video, he clearly said that all believe in a millenium.
@@kerrickchavarria8935 I heard what he said, and I understand its significance. He plainly said *amillennialism means NO millennium* (5:25-5:34). He is absolutely correct, that is *the meaning of the word.* The word "Amillennialism" *literally* denies a thousand year reign (opposite the scripture). If people *didn't know* BEFORE NOW, they had grace due to their ignorance. Acts 17:30 NASB20 - “So having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now proclaiming to mankind that all people everywhere are to *REPENT,"* NOW that people understand its meaning, they are without excuse, and will be accountable for choosing to confess things opposing God's Word. At judgement, do *YOU* think affirming *'NO millennium'* will go without consequence (Matt. 4:4; Luke 4:4)? Matthew 12:36 KJV - "But I say unto you, That *EVERY idle WORD that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."* Yes, he further explains his position. But in denying truth of scripture, he promotes private interpretation a.k.a. false doctrine. The 1st thing found in the revelation, Christ is calling His church to REPENT. Revelation 2:16 KJV - *"REPENT;* OR ELSE *I WILL COME unto thee quickly,* and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." *REPENT,* means to change your mind or thinking, which affects your actions. Revelation 3:19-20 NKJV - “As many as I love, *I rebuke and chasten.* Therefore *be zealous and REPENT.* Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me." Revelation 3:22 NKJV - "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
I think Tom is right. But even if he’s wrong, I still think he’s right. He’s just so solid overall, wise and compassionate that it’s impossible to disagree with him
Impossible to disagree with false doctrines? That's interesting. ------------------- Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
I disagree with him. The Bible is clear that the millennium is 1,000 years exactly. It lays it out pretty clear with an exact number. Also that aligns with the Jewish cycle of 7 planting and harvesting. They plant and harvest for 6 years and then let the Earth rest for the 7th year. That is a model for what happens to the Earth on a larger scale.
Jesus establishes His kingdom in Heaven not on this Earth. We are in Heaven during the millennium. The Earth is destroyed during the 1,000 years. AFTER the millennium we come back down to Earth and the wicked are raised up and are destroyed. THEN the new heavens and new Earth are created.
Thanks Dr Thomas, I love how you graciously explain things and also very clearly know that we all are limited in our knowledge and we can certainly lean towards one view but we should not be conceited to think we know it all.
This is a *GREAT* intro contrast into Pre- and A-mil views. We host Bible study in our home every week and like geeking out on these topics and this is the perfect video for our class this Wednesday!. What a humble and even-handed presentation and he makes excellent points - Jesus win, we win in Christ! In the mean time, don't be mean, love God, love man (even your enemies). Amen! I personally lean Pre-mill but love hearing well-thought arguments.
Really? Seriously? He seems to me like one of the dumbest, most ignorant men ever born. But I guess that's to be accepted at someone teaching at a second-rate Bible college that styles itself a seminary.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Two far more important questions (see video description) are 1) What is the authority? 2) When the Bible says something, unless it is a parable or clear analogy (as evidenced by the context and not how much someone believes it to be so), do you believe it means what it says? If the Bible isn't God's expressed word/covenant to us, if we can't trust God when He says certain things, then how can we trust any of it? Virgin birth? Water to wine? Sinless life? Resurrection? Both postmil and amil do the same thing - take 1000 years plainly stated and say its not 1000 years. Then they start making up what it and what the rest of the passage means. It is impossible to reconcile that beginning to those perspectives with Jesus Christ being God as evidenced by His miraculous life and testified by the Father through the Holy Spirit. If I throw out 1000 years because 1) Why would such an incredible thing be so? Then logically 2) How can I believe anything miraculous? The first two arguments made for amil are silly. First Argument: No where else in scripture do we read about the 1000 year reign of Christ. Why would I believe something that's not neat and clean? Answer: Revelations brings up a lot of things talked about no where else in scripture. It is talking about the end times, (world perspective) and not focusing on the restoration of fortunes for Israel - which will happen, on this Earth, just as the Bible says it will. Would you eliminate or change every passage in the scripture that is not repeated in more than one place? If so, why are we having this discussion? If not, then this isn't an argument in favor of amil. As for our concept of neat and clean (God, why would you have two resurrections?), there hasn't been anything neat and clean about mankind's existence or redemption on Earth and God isn't beholden to our desires. Second Argument: Claim that Revelations 20 & 21 aren't alluded to in Isaiah 60 and Ezekial 42 but Revelations 22 & 23 are... Answer: Well, we've already addressed that Revelations discusses new material previously not revealed. It isn't surprising that the restoration of Israel prophesied in the Old Testament doesn't give a full world portrait, just like Revelations 20-21 doesn't tell us everything either (2 chapters here people). What we have every reason to believe is that the Old Testament prophesies were referring to Israel's restoration here on this Earth, not the coming "New Heavens and Earth". Therefore, Revelations 22&23 don't share any allusion with Isaiah 60 and Ezekial 42 at all. Second argument destroyed same as the first. I checked out at this point. All 6 arguments made for premillenialism were based on scripture. First 2 arguments for amillenialism were based on 1) why would it be this way? 2) can I find duplicate information elsewhere? The Bible is the Christian's authority and will always overcome human reason and desire. The Bible is sufficient to explain itself and when human reason and desire decide to make of it what they will then the whole thing is something we logically find ourselves rejecting (or illogically picking and choosing).
The reason it doesn't necessarily have to be taken literally is because 1) Its idiomatic language and 2) Scripture defines /interprets scripture, therefore 1000 typically means a long and undetermined period of time or an age if you prefer. Do you think for example that there will literally be 144000 virgin men? Or what about Revelation 22, do you actually think there are literally people living outside Eternal Jerusalem, after The judgement?
1. It is the book of "Revelation" not plural. 2. There is no chapter 23 in Revelation. 3. Maybe a better word than 'literally" would be, do I take the words of God "seriously." There are figures of speech which we don't take literally, but we take the meaning seriously. Do I believe God said what He meant, and meant what He said?
Understanding the various genre of literature in the Bible is key also to how you’d interpret it. There’s historical-narrative, poetry, wisdom, apocalyptic, epistle (letters), etc. Knowing what genre you are reading will determine your hermeneutical approach. Just as you wouldn’t interpret a newspaper, a menu, or a poem in the same manner neither would you interpret the various genres in Scripture in the same manner. To do so is just reckless.
Dr. Schreiner has such a keen, spiritual mind and heart! I love how deep and warm-hearted he is in the Holy Scriptures! He is solid on! God be the glory!
The Saints who reign for the thousand years, who didn't take the mark or worship the beast or his image, they're already reigning? When did the mark of the beast happen?
@@Triggerhawk it’s not a literal mark. The mark of the beast is a figurative sign you belong to Satan. Those who put faith in Christ have the mark of Christ. You’re either a son of God or a son of the devil. Those who died faithful to Christ on earth did not take that mark because they belong to Christ. So therefore they reign with Him in heaven seated on thrones for the millennium.
@@adamcarpenter1869 what does the right hand or forehead symbolise then? I guess they could mean whatever we want them to mean. Don't worry about that question. But you believe that an the abomination of desolation will be set up at the halfway point of the 7 year period when the man of sin is revealed?
@@Triggerhawk the abomination of desolation occurred in 70AD when Titus and the Roman army ransacked the Temple and Jerusalem. Jesus said the generation that he was speaking to would not pass away until it took place. Have you ever studied Amillennialism?? Just curious. I think it’s really important to study up on Amillennialism as a unit otherwise we could go back and forth in many passages and not get anywhere. I was a former Dispensational premillennialist. I didn’t change my view until I studied all of Amillennialism as a unit. Scripture had begun to come together much clearer as I studied scripture more and more. Then after a little while it made perfect sense and my view changed completely.
I find most deep thinking theologians to be overly dogmatic as they espouse the goodness of a position he holds. Dr Thomas Schreiner's gracious and humble attitude and calm explanation without judgement nor condescending speech is most refreshing. His last point regarding parallels between the first and second spiritual and physical resurrections is quite illuminating. Great teaching, sir! Thank you.
-->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Employee: what time do we close tonight? Employer: when we're done with everything... Employee: but when is that? (Basically what is being discussed here. Just keep working and earning money while you can, and the boss will let you know when you can go home. Make sure to be pleasant to our customers!)
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Keith Elrod yea man I don’t know what world you are living in but this is not the gospel age. This is actually more like the age of lies because Satan is already LOOSED at some point in the (recent) past, look at the corruption and death that surrounds us. The evil in the highest places. We are living in the post apocalypse after Armageddon and then the millennial kingdom age which ended very recently during ww1 when the entire earth was deceived (because Satan was free again and able to deceive the nations) into killing each other and shunning god. Since then we’ve been very rapidly descending into an abominably sinful society once more. We are actually waiting for Gog and Magog. The great deception is everyone is waiting for the rapture and Armageddon but that already happened.
@@keithelrod777 I believed this before watching any Millennial videos. What do you believe about The Sabbath? For me it begins when you are born again in Christ. You have to Remember to keep this spiritual day Holy every day.
@@jaimematus7308 I do believe that the Sabbath Commandment points to Jesus Christ. He is our Sabbath Rest. His earthly Work equals our Eternal Sabbath Rest.
I’m very grateful to have grown up in a Christian household. However, I wish I were able to read the Bible w/o any presuppositions, beforehand. It would be amazing to just see the beauty of Christ’s love unfolding. We serve an awesome God! Full of wonders and mysteries.
Outstanding video! Describes the topic well, focuses more on Christ than our disagreements, and focuses arguments within scripture. I personally still side with a historic premillennial view but this makes an outstanding case for Amillennialsim. Thank you for your work!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people. -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
This is the best short treatment of the subject I have seen. I am still a premillennialist but Dr. Schneiner is gracious in his arguments. I am a little surprised the Southern Baptists allow amil professors in their seminaries.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Southern Baptist pastors and professors will be found holding the 2 major views. For this issue should not be an issue for causing divisiveness in our fellowship for God is in control
@@keithelrod777 How on earth is satan locked up?? Satan is more powerful now than he has ever been since his fall from grace and he is the god of this world as the bible says. We are clearly not in the millennum
@@christiansoldier77 Hi Christian Soldier!!! Thank you for the reply!!! I want to invite you to my chnnel if you are open to finding out what the church believed the first 1800 plus years after Jesus Christ came in the Flesh. This new doctrine dealing with Revelation was started by darby in 1830. It is called futurism/dispensationalism. But I would love to answer your question right now on this chnnel. First, please read the following Scripture from Ephesians 6: Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against [f]flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Christian Soldier, nice name by the Way, I was in the United States Army myself and as you are now, I am also a Christian Soldier. In the above beautiful Scripture we see that there is a spiritual battle going on. With us, where does this battle take place? Where are humans locked up? Humans are locked up in their hearts. We are body and soul and dead spirit without the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We must be born again, in the heart. Jesus makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!! Remember, prior to hearing the Gospel, you physically roamed this earth, but spiritually your heart was in the chains of sin and death, your heart was locked up. This also applies to satan, his heart is locked up, yet he roams this earth like a hungry, desperate lion, who was banished from the lions pride because of his pride. In Revelation 20, he will be freed for a very short time to stand before God in judgement, then he is thrown into the lake of fire. We that have been truly born again in the heart, are saved by God, it is not of ourselves, we are the true sheep souly because of Him, we will no longer be deceived in our hearts as far as losing our salvation, the Gospel sets us free. Christian Soldier, this is the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ: Jesus conquered sin and death and then He sent us the Holy Spirit. When we share the Gospel, hearts are set/made free, this is spiritual warfare, the battle ground is the human heart. The Gospel Era aka Church Age aka Millennial Reign aka 1,000 Year Reign are all the same thing. After the Work of Jesus we have been tasked as soldiers of Christ to share His Gospel. Let's get our soles moving for souls!!! I hope you are able to check out my chnnel, I have 45 videos now, all about the Gospel, Hallelujah!!! I respond to every comment on my chnnel. Have a great weekend!!!
6:55 👍… wow, a humble, gracious, erudite, gentle, non-self-righteous, and non-judgmental American Christian who first and foremost believes in Christ and the message of the Gospel instead of getting deflected or distracted by unimportant things! The sort of person Christ would have liked. - What a rarity! May God bless him.
Thank you so much for this presentation. I don't believe that I have ever heard amillennialism explained in this way. I try not to have a dog in this fight. The Biblical descriptions of the eschaton are shrouded in mysteries within mysteries. It's much like the prophetical descriptions of messiah to the ancient Isrealites. They envisioned a warrior king who would lead the Isrealites in holy conquest of all the gentiles. How could they have got it so wrong? For me, the main thing is the Gospel. Without the Gospel, nothing else matters. God's grace, peace, and joy!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
We are in the Millennial Reign of Christ right now, it should be better titled the Gospel Era. satan is locked up right now and before you heard the Gospel Message you were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, Jesus makes us free!!! Today's Gospel is soooooo weak, the Gospel is simple: Jesus conquered sin and death, and then He sent us the Holy Spirit, our Helper/Comforter, Hallelujah!!! Here is a short video I made on this topic: th-cam.com/video/3DcgvKTDQbA/w-d-xo.html
This is one of the best explanations of the Millennial Kingdom that I have heard. I appreciate that the professor is open-minded and not overly adamant for either position. I also agree that either way, we don't have a vote and that none of the options change our position in Christ. Thank you for an excellent presentation. 👏
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
@@RadioForYahweh thanks for your input and opinion. Seems like youre taking the book of Revelation literally, which is a bad idea. Rev 1:1 says it was written in symbols. The 1000 years is NOT a literal 1000years. We cannot be lazy and must dig into the meaning of the text carefully.
I know both positions well. The Dr. did a great job. I don’t like these titles we make up. I have to agree with him that this is extremely difficult and is not a salvation issue. Therefore, humility is best and don’t break fellowship. Eschatology is for comfort most importantly. Jesus comes back for us and we will be with Him forever.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
Compare the two theories, I prefer to follow the pre millenial view. It is because when I study Daniel 9: 24 to 27, I find that this verses are more close to the correct explanation
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
-->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
This was truely a blessing to hear! Love the man’s humble heart.. I am in the process of studying all views about revelations. Pre mid post rapture, pre mid post tribulation. Mail pre post millinealism. The more I read and study I’ve come to a conclusion … I had a moment of reflection of these studies and if I’m honest with myself.. I was studying from a point of trying to figure out when the rapture will occur! It’s so much easier too just repent know that Jesus is coming and Be ready at all times.. His word says not to trouble ourselves for these things must happen! And no one knows the day or hour except the father! I think I’m just going to allow the word sink in to my heart. I’m going to love my life to glorify God! and just be ready for His coming🙌🙌🙌
Thank you for this message. To be an amillennialist is to believe that Satan is bound and there is no demonic activity on the earth today. If that is the case, can you pinpoint the time in the past when Revelation 12 occurred? Blessings in Christ
-->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
The satan has been released for a short time...we have had the 1000 years...our timeline is as reliable as a two bob watch..we are closer to Christ life on earth then history says...maybe 1300 years...have a look at coins from 1600 and 1500 AD....THEY HAVE AN i or j for Jesus and then date...example i635
Wonderful discussion about a very complex topic. An interesting topic but not a topic to become arrogant over and certainly not something we need to divide over.
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
When was the antichrist and false prophet thrown into the abyss in 70AD? Did Jesus return in 70AD to bring judgement? The bowl and trumpet events? Wormwood?
Thousand years of peace has already happened. We are in the short time, the short season. The time where the whole earth is in deception. So here we are
I tend to agree with you. I didn't hear him mention the short time satan will be released to deceive again. Satans deception is making people think Jesus hasn't come at all .
Nonsense! -->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
@@larrybedouin2921 its all black and white, so simple a 5 year old can read and understand. Then something happens you grow up and now you dont understand, and here we are with thousands of different religions and yet read the same book. Its a double edged sword cuts straight and true . Read to know.
@@alekm3874 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and *they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years* (But *the rest of the dead* lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such *the second death* hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. *And when the thousand years are expired* Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, ^ The resurrection of (Condemation) shame and everlasting contempt. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters (a merism) of the earth, *Gog and Magog* to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. {Revelation 20:4-10}
Excellent food for thought, I love you brother, and I appreciate the Spirit for blessing you with a smooth way of piecing a controversial issue in an understanding manner. You are blessed…
Thanks for this one. You've presented each view with a good understanding, and also in a very gracious (with grace I mean) way! Thanks for the conclusions as well. It takes mature thinking, to take it that way. May God bless you all, and keep using you for His glory!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Amil, Premil, and Postmil. Pretrib, Midtrib, and Posttrib. I have heard these versions and others like them. I believe there is a bit of truth and accuracy in each one. I read scripture as it is simply written and let the Holy Spirit reveal what is needed for salvation. The Devil has put so many questions, ideas, and theories in the minds of believers that it has caused unnecessary confusion over time. If our forefathers and first church leaders were on the same page, why aren't we? One simple fact was revealed to me many years ago." If a soul is not right with GOD, if that soul is not part of the body of Christ, then what we perceive the scriptures to say means absolutely nothing ". Christ is redeeming his Elect. To believe is just step one. The word of GOD will unfold perfectly in His time and how He desires. Continue in Christ Jesus. Continue in His faith. Be steadfast and awake and watching. Jesus Christ is alive and well and everything is under control. Let the Father have His way. Peace Brothers and Sisters.........
-->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Such finite creatures we are indeed compared to a great and omniscient Creator God! We can only respond in awe and worship at His feet, showing the world we are His by being united in love. Maranatha, Lord Jesus!
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
It's not really a issue, it's part of God's love for mankind, the millennial reign will allow God's son Jesus christ time to bring the majority of mankind back to perfection like Adam and Eve before they sinned on a beautiful restored earth and then to face one Last test before life for all eternity Revelation 20 v 3; Acts 24 v 15; Matthew 5 v 5
I see the book of Revelation as a recapitulation. It is the same story told over and over through the whole book. Vodie Bauchman has a very good study on this book
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people. -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Second Coming Visions in Revelation: Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and the greatest earthquake in history is found in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. He comes on a horse in chapter 19. He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1. (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) The only way to properly interpret the book is through the principle of "Recapitulation". th-cam.com/video/puk7HOeSYRI/w-d-xo.html
Because Voddie interpretation or the consummation of all things end at Rev. 19:11 is flaw because there is more in Revelation 20th Chapter. To say Chapter 20 does not follow Chapter 19 is ludicrous because for them to say so would make the point of Pre- Millennialism un- attacked. When Christ comes the 20th Chapter of Revelation the consummation of all things are not over before this point. He definitely looks past Chapter 20 to Chapters 21&22.
Great video and I really appreciate the humility you express in giving your well thought out opinion of each view. Rare to find somebody not demonizing opposing views these days over a subject that doesn’t hinder the true message of salvation and the cross.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Hey Brother! well, I just enjoyed the way You demonstratet the arguments about Milenium: "We're brothers anyway" You said. Thank You for helping. I've been a Presbiterian Pastor for 44 Yeas. God bless You. Francisco, from Brasil.
I very much appreciate the good Dr and all of his work, but I gotta wonder if he listened to this after recording. When he explained premil it was simple and straightforward; exactly how you would read it. His defense of amil was incredibly convoluted. One has to go to great lengths in order to avoid a straightforward reading of Revelation and other relevant text. Turning a breadstick into a pretzel.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people. -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
I heard Voddie say that Chapter 20 of Revelation does not follow Chapter 19 of Revelation, because chapter 19 is suppose to be the consummation of all things , so he says. So Chapter 20 is a re-telling of chapter 19 , so disingenuous because Chapter 20 is a continuation of the things that will take place at Christ second Coming.
@@losgoodmusicmandrell8371 These folks adopt poor exegesis as a result of their view of Israel. Eschatological views that developed during a time period when Israel didn't exist which led to all the other views spiritualizing everything. Basically the thinking was, since Israel no longer exist all these promises made to Israel can't be literal. Therefore, the church must be "spiritual" Israel. 1948 changes everything and brings all those promises into focus and eventual fulfillment.
@@fivepointbaptist My things is , in spite of all the scriptures that GOD will never abandon HIS word about Israel and the unconditional covenants, land, and promises they still cast Israel off. They will never cease from being a nation, no matter how much judgement , trails& tribulations they endure. GOD said HIS tongue would cleve to the roof of HIS mouth if Israel cease from being a nation.
For 20 years I was part of a Baptist congregation who believed in "Premillenialism", I never was convinced by it, I always held the Amillenial view. Now as a Catholic I'm glad to know that the Church has always taught Amillenialism.
@@ncbible1575 yes it was reading the Scriptures, later when I read the "Premil" literature I immediately realized the many intelectual gynnastics that Ryyrie & Chafer did in order to expllain Premillenialism.
Premillenialist interpretation is easily the straight forward and best and correct interpretation. It always raises red flags when someone just throws around, well it is not literal. You have to have really good reasons to interpret something figuratively, instead of literally.
@David H. Revelations is not just all metaphor . Also the visions are real John saw into the future otherwise his vision would just be hallucinations . The millennium is clearly a literal period where Jesus and all the dead in Christ rule and judge the earth. Peace will reign with no war . All the wild animals will be tame so that the fox will lay down with the sheep. So how in the world can anyone think this is a metaphor?
-->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
@@larrybedouin2921 The promise of God to Israel and the Jewish people was for Messiah to rule and reign for a thousand years FROM Jerusalem, not Heaven.
I had been a pre-mill for about three decades. For the last few days, I started listening to Dr. Llyod Jones' series of teachings on Eschatology. I feel that Amill is kind of more reliable and within the boundaries of Bible Scriptures.
Amillinialism (millenialism) is theologically correct, and biblically consistent. The focus however, must always be on Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Jesus is coming. Are You ready? Amen
@Paul Beduhn Yes you have nailed it. IF YOU HAD AN IMMORTAL SPIRIT-- NO NEED A RESURRECTION. Satan started it with Eve and was adopted by ancient Babylon. That and its trinities of deities, at the confusion of Babel; these and many other of Babylons Satanically inspired lies were spread abroad as they scattered. Revelation is a closed book to Christendom and only open to God and Jesus' "slaves" (see interlinears) Rev 1:1. NASV "Bond Servants". Rev 20:7 (in parenthesis) "the REST of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years are ended). Anastasis does always mean a physical resurrection. It literally means "a standing up again". Ask any Greek. So what gives here.? It was inserted to distinquish the difference between the 2 resurrections. The 1st who will go to heaven to rule with Jesus, = instant immortality. the 2nd involves mostly the billions who have died never seeing/hearing of the True God, his Son and His word and will. Acts 24:15. This will likely begin early into the millenium. They will be so educated and trained . Isiah 11:9. After the 1000 years they will, in the main "come to life" as they progressively move toward perfection as Adam was at the start. But I must point out the many/majority who receive an adverse judgment at Jesus return will not get a resurrection as can be seen by what we see at Rev 19: 11--17. The birds are figuratively invited to eat the dead bodies flesh, dont get a proper burial, not to be remembered ever again. Compare Jer 25:31--33. Jesus called this judgment "gehenna" 11 times. (Most Bibles say wrongly hell). Hebrew Geh- Hinnom. That was the Jerusalem rubbish dump where dead bodies of animals and some times criminals were thrown. Not a proper burial, considered so evil as to not deserve such. The presenter did not really commit to a definitive answer and like most "Pastors" "ministers" "priests" such is really saying "Idont Know" Another day I will tell you who does know.
Good point about Ezekiel. Not having a temple would agree with a unique set of dimensions given there-as apocalyptic and not indicative of a physical temple.
Since graduating from Gordon Conwell in 1981 I have worked through the book of revelation verse by verse using the exegesis and hermeneutics I was taught. I’ve read countless great commentaries on this book. The conclusion I have come to is that, indeed, it is not one book but seven books that tells the same story seven times, from seven different perspectives. As far as the millennium is concerned I have the same leanings you do. To me the idea of Jesus raining on earth for 1000 years when people can still reject him and they end up rebelling against him at the end of the thousand years makes no sense whatsoever and goes against what Scripture teaches will happen when Christ returns… every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. I do not believe that the thousand years is literal just as I do not believe that God only owns the cattle on 1000 hills. You’ve done a good job here. I don’t consider myself an amillennialist… rather, a realized millennialist! In any event I certainly do agree that graciousness is and love should be extended in this discussion. I know what I believe and it’s some thing I’ve researched for over 20 years so I do have strong convictions… Tentatively. I think it was perhaps Karl Barth who Once said, “When it comes to the book of revelation sometimes we have to step back and say… I wonder? “
Think revelations is taken way to far by most theorist. In the King James version it's the revelations of Saint John the Devine on his assertion to become a prophet. I think it was a play about parts of his life with how each part related to Jesus christ. With an end note to allow people who were just and unjust to be part of the body of christ. Or coming together of jews and gentiles. That was my .02cents
Absolutely false. Tge thousand years is in heaven, after the first resurrection. -->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
@@marksantostefano1637 Why is it that truth is received as hateful and not from love? Was Jesus hateful for calling the priest and scribes whitewashed sepulchers? Or was it his desire that they turn from their evil ungodly ways and cease from leading others astray? Do not judge another's intentions.
What a great video thx for clearing the differences up. I’m thinking at one time it didn’t matter as to how the end would come but now i think it’s important to consider wisely how I should invest my day’s. As for me I’m preparing my flock for increased persecution. Love the discussion
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
I was first taught Dispensationalism (Pretribulational rapture and Premillennial return). But this was taught as the one Christian view at my Calvary Chapel and then at my Evangelical Covenant church. This was before i was an adult. Then in my early 30's, S.L. Anderson's videos mostly convinced me of a Posttribulational Prewrath Rapture. But i was finally done with the Pretrib' view when i realized that it was the main and only view of Dispensationalism. By this time, i considered Dispensationalism to be a saved Christian's version of a low level Gnosticism (or F. Masonry). Instead of levels, it was aeons, and they're flippant about the doom of people in other levels/ages. So i rejected the Pretribulational rapture, even though i hadn't learned the Posttribulational Prewrath rapture equally well. Then in my own studies, in my late 30's, i resolved an apparent contradiction, by becoming partly Preterist and Futurist. Later i found out i did so in a very unusual way, since i am still Premillennial with Christ's return. Now i see the Worst Tribulation, _not_ as the big spectacular cataclysms of Revelation. Instead i go by the slogan, "The Worst Tribulation for the Worst Crime." And instead of seeing the Worst as lasting all of Daniel's final year-week, i see it as only the middle of the final year-week. In Leviticus 26, Jews under the Old Covenant can have their punishments multiplied by 7. It says so 4 times. I see this as applying to the time of the punishment also. I don't know if God has returned the Jewish captivity yet or not, since there are more Jews in New York than Israel, and Israel kept giving away land, the most recent being Gaza. But then again, there is a country of Israel now, and many have returned to it. I see Daniel's claim that the temple shall be cleansed as the Torah's cleansing of a clay pot -- total destruction first. Notice Jesus mentioned multiple buildings here, "And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." - Mark 13:2 KJV. There are still a few stones left upon another. After our current portion of Daniel's final year-week ceases to be multiplied by 7 and is finally over, after this shall the last stones finally be overturned. Then it is the "tribulation of those days", which is the tribulation of false Christs who are also miraculous. Then it is the Sixth Seal. "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" - Matthew 24:29 KJV. Then there is an unknown time between the 6th and 7th trumps of the trumpets. Then it is the literal Millennial reign. Then it is the New Heaven, New Jerusalem, New Earth, and Second Death.
Hebrews calls it a day of rest (future) and this 1000 years is the inheritance of Christ that He will share with His chosen. Since this inheritance is referred to as the Kingdom of Heaven (a position of reign and rule with Christ) and the fact that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom than I dont think it has or is happening now but is yet future and literal.
Yes John. correct. But what is its purpose? Answer. there are some 15 billion people have hitherto died. Most have never heartd of the true God, his son and Gods will and purpose. They are not in heaven. John 3:13. Nor are they in any hellfire but are sleeping in the grave untill the RESURRECTION (sheole or hades). God will systematically "wake" them up. (there are exceptions to this and those will never wake up). Isiah 26:19, 25:8 Acts 24:15. Following the coming judgment the "New Earth" paradise under Gods rule will ensue.. They will all be educated to show their true colors without ignorance. Isaiah 11:9, Rev 22:1,2. Gods river of truth is for "the curing of the nations." At the end of the 1000 years Satan will be loosed from his prison like state to test perfected humanity. Many will still fall away then but those who dont will "inheret the earth" forever. Psalm 37:29, Matt. 5:5. Rev 20:7--15.
@@ralphgoreham3516 My purpose is to spread the word of the Kingdom of God and distinguish it from the place of heaven. I want believers to be sanctified (salvation of the soul [1 Pt 1.9, James 1.21, Heb10.39]/chosen/bride of Christ/rewards) so that they receive the inheritance per Acts 20.32, 26.18 which is eternal (age lasting) life for 1000 years vice loosing their reward/outer darkness/gnashing and wailing of teeth per the parables of the talents/10 virgins/wedding in Mt 22.1-14. Many are called but few are chosen. God bless.
@@johnhoffman8203 Hi John but the topic was about the millenium and its purpose. This is important to know for the great multitude aka Rev 7:7--17 will be the foundation on which the "new earth" (people) will be built. they "come through the great tribulation and will be GUIDED to life" by God and his sons' waters of life. Most of those will be JWS. This is the earthly aspect of the kingdom of God. The "bride of Christ", the 144,000 spiritual Israelites will rule with Jesus in heaven. Rev 20:4--6, 1Pet 1:4. That is the Kingdom arrangement. As shown by Matt 24:14 this must be promulgated to all the nations to the extent of Gods will. Your problem therefore is how this can be done before the end comes. This means the preaching of it must be internationally UNIFIED, NOT LIKE THE 33,000 "Christian" groups there are today that have made a mockery of God and his word. Only JWS have the personel, infrastructure, and motivation to do so and have thus far been doing so for 100 years. If you would like to know more about this go to JW.org and click on " Bible questions answered".
Yes, Amen. The thousand years is indeed in heaven. Jn 14. -->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Here is a post I made on another thread on this video, please check it out: Thank you for sharing how so many “experts” today say that Revelation was written post 70AD. That’s makes total sense because probably 90% of today’s church is 100% deceived/misled. You and them insist that the Book of Revelation is still in the future. This is very sad. Your god, not my God, didn’t see this horrific, terrible event coming, millions of Hebrews slaughtered in 70AD, every single structure was leveled aside from one Roman garrison wall (wailing wall), the Temple was utterly and totally destroyed, not one stone was left upon another just as Jesus, God in the Flesh said, but your god didn’t see this coming. I will stick to the Word of God, you can stick with the “experts”. So again, this is super redundant, but let’s take the Revelation test one more time, then we will go a little further to get God’s answer as far as audience. King Solomon, Sol, not sure why you would even use that name, but one last time Sol, when was the Book of Revelation to begin to take place? A. Over 2021 years in the future like all the “experts” say. Or B. “the things that must soon take place” and “for the time is near” The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. Revelation 1:1-3 Sol, I fully realize that the “experts” say that soon means something else and that the time is near doesn’t mean the time is near. Sol, please put the Bible, God’s Word far, far above your experts. Okay, now who is the audience of Revelation? Some group of people in the future, even more future than 2021 years? No, keep reading God’s Word: John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, Revelation 1:4 These aren’t real churches, right? Wrong. They were real, and real letters went to them. These letters were written in Old Testament code, if you don’t know your Bible, like Daniel, Ezekiel, or Zechariah etc. you won’t understand the letters. So Sol, was John just scaring these people. Psych! Didn’t mean to send all these horrific things that are going to happen soon, for the time is near. I was just playing 7 churches, relax, I am actually going to come in the clouds to destroy Jerusalem over 2021 years in the future. All the things I wrote in Matthew 23, preceding Matthew 24 weren’t for the Hebrews that turned their back on Me, they cheated on Me, they whored around on Me. I chose my people, a special people, to bring Myself into mankind, to save all people. But many of you didn’t recognize my visitation, Emmanuel, God was with you, among you, but you hated Me, you made My House a den of thieves, I am coming for you in the clouds. Your religious system is over, I will destroy this Temple, because you are clueless on how it points to Me. I will take My Ark of the Covenant to Heaven, then I will destroy the Temple. All your Levitical priest lineage records will be destroyed as well, no more temples and no more animal sacrifices, the system is over. Even the Romans, who ruled the known earth and were made up of all nations of the earth, will see me coming in the clouds to destroy you as they attack from the ground. Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. Revelation 1:7 200 million are with Me from Heaven. You could add up every single soldier from all history and you won’t get 200,000,000. Example: right now the U.S. might have 2 million, Russia the same, China a little more than 2 million. We are coming from the East, because in Numbers 2, Judah camped on the East. Jesus Christ is the Lion of Judah. We are crossing the Euphrates on dry land, dry land refers to “waterless” places, the spiritual realm. “When they become waterless, they are silent, When it is hot, they vanish from their place. Job 6:17 As for you also, because of the blood of My covenant with you, I have set your prisoners free from the waterless pit. Zechariah 9:11 (Notice, these are the Old Testament saints that were held captive in the Bosom until hearing the Gospel Message from Jesus Christ Himself, they came in the clouds with Jesus) 43 “(A)Now when the unclean spirit comes out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Matthew 12:43 24 “(A)When the unclean spirit comes out of [a]a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it then says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ Luke 11:24 Sol, the spiritual realm is referred to as waterless places or crossing the Euphrates on dry land. Do you remember in 2 Kings 19 and in Isaiah 37 when the angel of the Lord struck 185,000 dead? Yes, the spiritual realm interacted with this physical realm. Or do you remember sodom and gomorrah? How God destroyed them from above? Jerusalem is even called sodom in Revelation. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:8 You and the experts are out of your mind if you honestly believe that God would not mention this horrific 70AD event. Where is the Ark of the Covenant? Harrison Ford (from raiders of the lost ark) can’t find it, your experts can’t find it. Prior to God destroying the Temple in 70AD, He brought the Ark to Heaven. God tells us where it’s at: And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. Revelation 11:19 Ezekiel’s Temple is in Heaven. The Old Testament saints are experiencing the Millennial Reign there as we speak. The First Resurrection already happened. You are very, very cult like in denying the First Resurrection. We see the First Resurrection in Ezekiel 37. You and your experts are out of your mind thinking that Ezekiel’s Temple will be built in this earth. You and the experts need to set your mind on things Above. Sol, we live maybe 85 years as humans, we live millions, billions, trillions of years in Eternity. Focus on Eternity, not some fictional glitter and gold 1,000 year earthly worldly disney land with a high five jesus. Sol, remember not too many years ago, when there was a volcano in Europe, remember how it was seen for miles and miles and miles. Sol, remember how it severely disrupted aircraft traffic? Jesus Himself said that one of the disciples would not die until after the 70AD destruction occurred. John could very, very easily see the mass destruction of Jerusalem from Patmos. 27 For the (A)Son of Man (B)is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and (C)will then repay every person according to his [a]deeds. 28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the (D)Son of Man (E)coming in His kingdom.” Matthew 16:27, 28) And Jesus was saying to them, “(A)Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God when it has come with power.” Mark 9:1 You see Sol, this is not the First Resurrection, and it is not the Second Resurrection. He came to destroy in 70AD, not rescue. The First Resurrection already happened. The Second Resurrection is future (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Peter 3) Sol, don’t trust the experts. Put your faith in God’s Word. Don’t go with the majority, go with God. Happy studying Sol!!!
If taken literally, the book of Revelations is much easier to understand. One has to cross reference it with the old testament as well. Now if one wants to make it virtually impossible to understand then open it up to a hundred different view points and translations. Who's translation of Revelations do you believe, this guys, that guys, the other guys. Why not just take God at his word and believe what he says, literally? After all, the book says we are blessed if we read it. Are we really meant to not understand it?
That's a very good point! Plus it's basically all picture code language so it's pretty much open to interpretation...as you say, read it and be blessed... that's a great invitation
Revelation 1:1- The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and SIGNIFIED it by his angel unto his servant John:. I capitalized the word signified in that verse, because it is a key word for the entire book of Revelation that is often overlooked or ignored. Webster's definition of signified -a concept or meaning as distinguished from the sign through which it is communicated. John is telling us here that this will be a book filled with signs and symbols. I firmly believe that God's Word is to be taken literally, unless it tells us otherwise. Such as when Jesus spoke in parables, and it is told to us that it is symbolic language and not to be taken literally. Here we are being given the same forewarning. Is it possible the millennium is literal, yes. Is it possible it is a sign depicting something, yes. I tend to believe in the latter. If you don't, that's ok. Where you fall on the interpretation of this is not a salvation determining issue.
@@markwebb7576 Keep reading your Bible because it goes on to say this, "and the seven lampstands are the seven churches". Were the lampstands literal? Yes. Do they represent something? Yes. Does scripture explain it symbolism? Yes.
@@bigmac3006 yes I know what the chapter says, that's my point. The chapter is explaining to us how to understand the book, by realising that the images are symbolic of real things. We are told that the lampstands and the stars are symbolic, not literal. To give another example, Revelation 12 speaks of the dragon sweeping a third of the stars from the sky down to earth with his tail. Is this literal?
The thousand years is in heaven. -->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Here is a post I made on another thread on this video, please check it out: Thank you for sharing how so many “experts” today say that Revelation was written post 70AD. That’s makes total sense because probably 90% of today’s church is 100% deceived/misled. You and them insist that the Book of Revelation is still in the future. This is very sad. Your god, not my God, didn’t see this horrific, terrible event coming, millions of Hebrews slaughtered in 70AD, every single structure was leveled aside from one Roman garrison wall (wailing wall), the Temple was utterly and totally destroyed, not one stone was left upon another just as Jesus, God in the Flesh said, but your god didn’t see this coming. I will stick to the Word of God, you can stick with the “experts”. So again, this is super redundant, but let’s take the Revelation test one more time, then we will go a little further to get God’s answer as far as audience. King Solomon, Sol, not sure why you would even use that name, but one last time Sol, when was the Book of Revelation to begin to take place? A. Over 2021 years in the future like all the “experts” say. Or B. “the things that must soon take place” and “for the time is near” The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. Revelation 1:1-3 Sol, I fully realize that the “experts” say that soon means something else and that the time is near doesn’t mean the time is near. Sol, please put the Bible, God’s Word far, far above your experts. Okay, now who is the audience of Revelation? Some group of people in the future, even more future than 2021 years? No, keep reading God’s Word: John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, Revelation 1:4 These aren’t real churches, right? Wrong. They were real, and real letters went to them. These letters were written in Old Testament code, if you don’t know your Bible, like Daniel, Ezekiel, or Zechariah etc. you won’t understand the letters. So Sol, was John just scaring these people. Psych! Didn’t mean to send all these horrific things that are going to happen soon, for the time is near. I was just playing 7 churches, relax, I am actually going to come in the clouds to destroy Jerusalem over 2021 years in the future. All the things I wrote in Matthew 23, preceding Matthew 24 weren’t for the Hebrews that turned their back on Me, they cheated on Me, they whored around on Me. I chose my people, a special people, to bring Myself into mankind, to save all people. But many of you didn’t recognize my visitation, Emmanuel, God was with you, among you, but you hated Me, you made My House a den of thieves, I am coming for you in the clouds. Your religious system is over, I will destroy this Temple, because you are clueless on how it points to Me. I will take My Ark of the Covenant to Heaven, then I will destroy the Temple. All your Levitical priest lineage records will be destroyed as well, no more temples and no more animal sacrifices, the system is over. Even the Romans, who ruled the known earth and were made up of all nations of the earth, will see me coming in the clouds to destroy you as they attack from the ground. Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. Revelation 1:7 200 million are with Me from Heaven. You could add up every single soldier from all history and you won’t get 200,000,000. Example: right now the U.S. might have 2 million, Russia the same, China a little more than 2 million. We are coming from the East, because in Numbers 2, Judah camped on the East. Jesus Christ is the Lion of Judah. We are crossing the Euphrates on dry land, dry land refers to “waterless” places, the spiritual realm. “When they become waterless, they are silent, When it is hot, they vanish from their place. Job 6:17 As for you also, because of the blood of My covenant with you, I have set your prisoners free from the waterless pit. Zechariah 9:11 (Notice, these are the Old Testament saints that were held captive in the Bosom until hearing the Gospel Message from Jesus Christ Himself, they came in the clouds with Jesus) 43 “(A)Now when the unclean spirit comes out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Matthew 12:43 24 “(A)When the unclean spirit comes out of [a]a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it then says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ Luke 11:24 Sol, the spiritual realm is referred to as waterless places or crossing the Euphrates on dry land. Do you remember in 2 Kings 19 and in Isaiah 37 when the angel of the Lord struck 185,000 dead? Yes, the spiritual realm interacted with this physical realm. Or do you remember sodom and gomorrah? How God destroyed them from above? Jerusalem is even called sodom in Revelation. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:8 You and the experts are out of your mind if you honestly believe that God would not mention this horrific 70AD event. Where is the Ark of the Covenant? Harrison Ford (from raiders of the lost ark) can’t find it, your experts can’t find it. Prior to God destroying the Temple in 70AD, He brought the Ark to Heaven. God tells us where it’s at: And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. Revelation 11:19 Ezekiel’s Temple is in Heaven. The Old Testament saints are experiencing the Millennial Reign there as we speak. The First Resurrection already happened. You are very, very cult like in denying the First Resurrection. We see the First Resurrection in Ezekiel 37. You and your experts are out of your mind thinking that Ezekiel’s Temple will be built in this earth. You and the experts need to set your mind on things Above. Sol, we live maybe 85 years as humans, we live millions, billions, trillions of years in Eternity. Focus on Eternity, not some fictional glitter and gold 1,000 year earthly worldly disney land with a high five jesus. Sol, remember not too many years ago, when there was a volcano in Europe, remember how it was seen for miles and miles and miles. Sol, remember how it severely disrupted aircraft traffic? Jesus Himself said that one of the disciples would not die until after the 70AD destruction occurred. John could very, very easily see the mass destruction of Jerusalem from Patmos. 27 For the (A)Son of Man (B)is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and (C)will then repay every person according to his [a]deeds. 28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the (D)Son of Man (E)coming in His kingdom.” Matthew 16:27, 28) And Jesus was saying to them, “(A)Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God when it has come with power.” Mark 9:1 You see Sol, this is not the First Resurrection, and it is not the Second Resurrection. He came to destroy in 70AD, not rescue. The First Resurrection already happened. The Second Resurrection is future (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Peter 3) Sol, don’t trust the experts. Put your faith in God’s Word. Don’t go with the majority, go with God. Happy studying Sol!!!
**SPECIAL POST** the point I am making is that the Book of Revelation was written pre 70AD, but the majority of today’s church says it was written in 95AD. This means that today’s church says that God’s Word, the Words of God Himself, which are written in the Book of Revelation, which they say was written in 95AD, did not mention the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, which included the Temple. If the Book of Revelation is the Word of God, this monumental destruction in 70AD of Jerusalem and the Temple would of been mentioned by God with the 95AD writing. So my God is all knowing, the one that supposedly wrote Revelation in 95AD is not. Today’s church also denies the First Resurrection of Jesus Christ with the Hebrews 11 saints. Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights preaching to them. We see everyone in Heaven right now in Hebrews 12, the Firstborn from the First Resurrection are already enrolled. But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24 Today’s church says Jesus is going to be a future earthly king. He strictly taught that this was not His Kingdom, He said He was a Heavenly King. So this jesus, the earthly king jesus is different from the Heavenly King Jesus. I know what I said sounds crazy, but now people are starting to say the Book of Hebrews is all future, that it’s for the earthly millennial reign of their jesus. They are now saying that the Sermon on the Mount is all future millennial reign as well. So Mike Marks, I know I sound extreme, but where do you draw the line? Denying the First Resurrection puts the church in danger. How so? The next Resurrection is the Second Resurrection and could happen at any second, like a thief in the night, a complete surprise. Okay, not so with today’s church, we will have a 3 1/2 year or 7 year or 1,000 year warning. Take a look at david koresh. he was the leader of the branch davidians from Waco, Texas. he claimed that he was jesus. he claimed that this was the start of the millennial reign of himself, jesus. If the church, if the branch davidians would of realized that the First Resurrection had already occurred, they would of known that we meet the Lord in the air at the Second Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Peter 3). They could said, david koresh you are a liar! The Feet of Jesus Christ never touch the ground! We meet Him in the air. So Mike Marks, this is actually more serious than today’s church realizes. Having all the multiple views of Revelation is wrong and very dangerous.
Jesus in the Book of Revelation made mention of 1,000 years five times therefore, He meant for us to take the 1,000 as literal years and not to be viewed allegorically/metaphorically/poetically/symbolically.
“It’s not that important”... it’s very important according to Revelation 22:18-19 “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.”
This man is the only one talking about this.WHY? We need to talk about it. He is absolutely Right. Finally. Thank you for bringing up the Physical body. Awesome
He never brought 1 Cor 15:20-26 into the discussion. "But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death." Paul equates Jesus to Adam, and calls Him the second Adam. Adam was supposed to have dominion over the earth per God's design. He lost that at the fall. Jesus will reign for that 1,000 years bringing all things into His subjection. Then, after fulfilling God's demand, He will hand it over to the Father. - Premillennialism
No, he did not talk about "us" that are changed in a "twinkling of an eye" But he did not talk about many OTHER passages that discuss these SAME PEOPLE.. ------------- Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
I have studied this topic for years now and finally, finally understand. Hallelujah!!! Revelation 1-19 is over. Armageddon is Revelation 19, Matthew 24 is as well, along with Zechariah 14. Going back to the Resurrection of Jesus, He also brought those from the heart of the earth aka Bosom of Abraham aka Paradise with Him to Heaven. Reference Matthew 27:52-54, Ezekiel 37, and the Firstborn mentioned in Hebrews 12:22-24 for proof of the First Resurrection already happening. He set the captives free from the Bosom, reference Luke 16 and Ephesians 4. So the Old Testament saints are already experiencing the Millennial Reign in Heaven with the Temple mentioned in the later parts of Ezekiel. The Ark of the Covenant is there in Heaven in that Temple right now. Reference Revelation 11:19. We here on earth are also experiencing the Millennial Reign aka Gospel Era aka Church Age, His Kingdom grows every time someone gets saved. This takes place in the heart. We are in Revelation 20, satan is locked up: remember before you found Jesus, you were locked up with satan, you roamed the earth, yet you were locked up. The Gospel Message made you free. Remember in Ephesians 6, our battle is not against flesh and blood…..but against the spiritual forces of wickedness…. The Second Resurrection could happen at any moment, reference 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4. Then this earth will burn as 2 Peter 3 says. Then we will have a New Heaven and New Earth with no Temple as mentioned in Revelation 21 and 22. Please visit my channel, Keith Elrod. I have a 20 video Revelation playlist on my channel as well. Happy studying!!! Hallelujah!!!
Here is the ABSOLUTE PROOF that we are NOT in the millennium at the present time and it didn't start right after Christ's crucifixion: -- Let us start with Revelation 20:1-3 (ESV)" "1. Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. 2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3. and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while." -- Pay particular attention to the fact that scripture says regarding Satan, "so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended". █ If the crucifixion of Jesus Christ sealed up Satan in the abyss, as preterits believe, you can confidently know that the Apostle Peter would, while writing under the inspiration of God, not contradict that. -- These God-breathed scriptures which Peter wrote AFTER the crucifixion of Christ, after Christ's ascension to Heaven, after Pentecost would clearly be after Satan had been bound, if the millennium started at Christ's crucifixion. -- So, after the Holy Spirit had come, the millennial teaching would have applied. In other words, if you believe the millennium is "allegory" then Peter wrote these words of 1st Peter 5:8-9 to believers in Christ, while he and us were in the millennium. Here is what Peter says to believers in Christ in 1st Peter 5:8-9, "8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world." -- The above scripture clearly shows that Peter is saying that Satan is free, moving about, and still deceiving after the time preterits believe Christ's millennial Kingdom has started. Therefore, if we are in the millennium today, or were when Peter wrote that, then Peter is a liar, and the Bible cannot be trusted. -- Now that you KNOW the Antichrist is a yet to be fulfilled prophecy, please watch the following video which reveals one of the most likely ways the Antichrist will emerge. th-cam.com/video/ZLBO3r5ZZcc/w-d-xo.html
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people. -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
I'd welcome caution to that statement simply because (as this video demonstrates) such "clarity" is actually not the case, hence the debate, regardless on which view one takes. Careful note here that I am not necessarily disagreeing with your viewpoint, but simply and humbly pointing out that the suggested clarity is questionable.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
I don't think we should understand God's words to Abraham and David differently than they would have understood them -- otherwise, God deceived them. In the first case, Abraham was promised a literal future nation, and in the second case, David was told of a literal future king over that nation.. Both believed God meant what He said, and so should we.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people. -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
Polycarp was a premillennialist. also, lookup "the Ignatian Forgeries" to understand what churchianity came to be, having had made a name for themselves, babylon the great.
All the things Satan is doing with the One World Religion and Government, there’s no way to look at this except through Historic Premillenniasm. John and Papias were Premillennialist, and we know John was filled with the Holy Spirit, and he wrote the book of John!
@@chapter404th Second Coming Visions in Revelation: Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and the greatest earthquake in history is found in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. He comes on a horse in chapter 19. He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1. (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) The only way to properly interpret the book is through the principle of "Recapitulation". th-cam.com/video/puk7HOeSYRI/w-d-xo.html
Nonsense! -->Dispensational Premillennialism Is fallen theology. -->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology. -->Postmillennialism is fallen theology. -->Amillennialism is fallen theology. The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
I actually wish people would really stop dismissing the Postmillenial view! If you don't understand it say that! Don't just dismiss it! It seems Christians these day can only seem to take serious a view that is pessimistic. I understand and respect those of my Amillenial brothers that reject that pessimistic and over spiritualize view of Amillenialism that was presented here. These are my optimistic Amillenialist brethren! He says these eschatological positions don't matter but I would strongly disagree! The premillenial worldview is typically "the world is going to hell in a handbasket" and "don't polish brass on a sinking ship". This worldview is detrimental to Christ's Church. A lot of Amillenialist often agree with this worldview but couch it in "we're only pilgrims and aliens, the earth is not our home" so they don't seek to effect much change. Again, I'm very thankful for my Optimistic Amillenialist brothers that I don't think go far enough but much much further than these other views. They seek to obey and build christian culture, not only do they not bend the knee to Caesar but oppose his wickedness outright and live toward victory whether they believe it will truly happen or not. But the Postmillenialist believes purely in an eschatology of Victory that Christ has conquered Satan and we too, are more than conquerors in Christ and He is restoring what Adam lost. The gates of hell will not prevail and the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the water covers the sea! We believe His kingdom will come and God's will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven. We strive to be cities on the hill (as seen greatly in the Puritans) with A comprehensive gospel that doesn't only effect the heart of believers in the Church but in every area of life (marriage,childbearing, work, education, etc). I don't mean to strawman anyone's position so please forgive me if I did but this is how I see it. My point here isn't to even necessarily promote or defend Postmillenialism (though I will) but to state it is not a position to just be dismissed, and it really does matter! It is not an issue to divide over, I have good friends that are Amillenialist, fewer that are premillenialist, but there's some. And I love them dearly. But it matters! Our eschatology should not dictate our theology but it definitely colors it.... Again, sorry if anyone feels I misrepresented them but this is what I've seen personally.
Stephen Taylor it was the majority view until WW I when people discovered that maybe things aren’t getting better. WWII kinda sealed the deal but he is correct in that most people have jumped to either premillennialism or amill.
@@michaelborg5798 I understand your point, I even understand that it's not the majority view, TODAY, but it was the majority, at least here in the west, and it's becoming more and more excepted these days as well. So my point is, the way people just dismiss the position is short-sighted and does no one really seeking to understand eschatology a service.
Stephen Taylor I honestly haven’t seen much written on the topic or eschatology at for that matter. I know Michael Brown put out a book for it but the only ones really doing prophecy conferences are premillennialists. It’s a smaller field but an extremely touchy one which I think is why it isn’t debated much. Michael Vlach has put out a dispensational book which offers a fair critique of the major views
@@michaelborg5798 well, I think there's plenty written on it but there can be more, absolutely. The fact that it's touchy is the reason I think it should be debated more. Things are touchy for a reason. And yes, I see plenty of debates against the Premillenialist but I would like to see more debates between the Amillenialist and the Postmillenialist because while very similar the differences have great implications. Again, these are not reasons to cut fellowship, a Christian is not determined by his eschatology, but it is a very important subject with big implications
It is a FACT the early church expected His imminent return and did NOT preach what today is called a postmillenial doctrine. -------------- Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT. --------- The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ) and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people. -------------------- And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed" into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye". ---------------------- In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE. ---------------------- www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com ---------------------
An additional explanation why John might have used the term that usually describes physical resurrection is that, in the vision he had, he must have seen dead people come to live somehow. There is no way to picture spiritual resurrection - since one's spirit is invisible - so the picture he was given resembled that of a physical resurrection.
To view it like that doesn't make sense at all. Continuing in the Rev. 20 text, the rest didn't live again for a thousand years (Rev. 20:5)? So the rest of people (spiritually dead) don't spiritually live until the thousand years are finished? Just read it, and believe what it actually says. It's sad that people collude to change the original meaning of the inspired words used. I'm shocked and saddened.
I gotta admit, dispensationalism was a lot of fun to believe in! Doesn't make it correct biblically. I mourn the loss of my dispensational beliefs 😪 I'm a-mil now.
Anyone ever wonder why some people will say eschatology isn't that important, yet it's the thing that most people will say they want to hear about? Why is that?
There is a reason why God put teachers (Theologians), God has put men of God that spend their times studying his word so they can help us understand. You got the Bible translated into your language because of men like the one in this video.
@Paul Beduhn Are we talking about salvation here? Of course believers are taught of the Holy Spirit. The Lord did not call His church to isolation, He called His church to unity and to build one another up, each with other gifts. Some have greater gifts in teaching for example. Scripture is the ultimate authority but to ignore the rest of the church, both your local congregation and in church history, is frankly foolish.
@Paul Beduhn Without explaining what you mean to be in error, you're just quoting Bible verses apart from context and I'm at a loss as to what you're arguing.
@Paul Beduhn Yes, Bible believing Christians (of those of the different views) believe all these verses, myself included. I'm not exactly sure what you're proposing by referencing these select verses and capitalising certain words. Just to mention, I've heard the Jewish wedding analogy used by advocates of the pre-millenial view in the dispensational camp.
@Paul Beduhn Believers go to be with the Lord when they die: Luke 23:43, Philippians 1:21-23. This is generally what's known as "heaven". Revelation 21 speaks of the new heavens and the new earth, following the destruction of the current heaven and earth (2 Peter 3:10). Believers will inhabit the new heaven and the new earth following the physical resurrection described in 1 Corinthians 15. (The new heavens and the new earth are sometimes described by believers as "heaven".) Adherents to all millennium views believe these things.
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism. Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon. The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail. And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
@@RadioForYahweh, you did not approach this with sincerity of heart. There are strengths and weaknesses with each view of eschatology, and it is narrow minded not to acknowledge this.
@@Familyman39 Firstly that's an accusation, and the Bible says what it says. Did you say Jesus did not approach others with a sincere heart when He called them out as vipers? Or chased them away with a whip? Or called them out as being children of Satan? Facts are facts. I said nothing with malice but with all encouragement to follow God fully and not to lean one ones own understanding. Everything I said was Biblical correction and if that is not love, I ask you what is it?
When a PHD credited Professor of New Testament Interpretation can be this humble about his own explanations and stance on these things, it is quite interesting that Christians who are far less studied can scoff and slander others for holding a different view than they. Thank you, Dr. Schreiner for your clarity, charity, and candor.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve:
My view of the Millennium agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
My view agrees with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
My view agrees with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing. The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
My view agrees with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage. There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19.
My view agrees with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness.
My view agrees with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time. Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
Exactly. That's why I'm so weary of denominations who build their whole identity around a few obscure passages or principals. We all have Christ, and the Bible is very clear in that Christ is all we need. All that other minutiae, we can find out together who was right and who was wrong once we get there, but it's nothing that should divide us while we're here.
I look at it this way, when Jesus returns we will all find out the proper understanding hehe.
Amen.
@@SpotterVideo I keep finding your posts on different videos and I don't realize it's you until I accidentally hit something and then your name pops up, but I agree with your views and everything so far that I read. Thank you very much for expressing yourself so I know I'm not the only one that feels this way
Anybody else feel like watching this a dozen times, just in case you missed something? This is a fascinating video.
I do
THIS IS THE MUST IMPORTANT VIDEO I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE. HE IS RIGHT. IT'S FUNNY. WE DON'T PREACH OUR RESURRECTIONS. HE IS ALSO RIGHT ABOUT US BEING RAISED IN THE FLESH. WE ARE RAISED BACK TO CHRIST ON THIS EARTH. NOT IN THE AIR OR CLOUDS AS PAUL SAYS IN THESSALONIAN. THIS IS PAUL SPEAKING IN GREEK MYTHOLOGY. BUT IT IS INTERESTING THAT HE SPEAKS ABOUT THE MARTYRS BE RAISED FIRST AND THEN US AFTER THE 1000 YEAR REIGN. THIS BLOWS MY MIND. ITS A PUZZLING THAT THERE ARE TWO VIEWS OF OUR RESURRECTIONS. WE CAN KNOW WHEN CHRIST WILL RETURN. ITS IN THE BIBLE. WE CAN KNOW WHEN THE TRIBULATION PERIOD WILL START. ITS IN OUR BIBLE. BUT IT BLOWS MY MIND THAT NO ONE PREACHES OUR RESURRECTIONS. THIS IS AN AWESOME VIDEO. I AM GLAD YOU REALIZE THIS. GOD BLESS YOU
Yes, absolutely. It is a very interesting but confusing (for me at least!) topic. I will certainly watch this again, maybe a dozen times as you say.
yes i keep coming back to it as I progress in understanding and getting further away from dispensationalism and pre melenialism I keep coming back to this video.
Absolutely.
Though I'm a convinced premillenialist, this man's graciousness on a tough subject is very refreshing. For one thing, he didn't call anyone "stupid" or a "liar."
Well, he can’t call anyone that because no one is certain of either view. As he said, it shouldn’t divide us.
You'll really enjoy this then too: th-cam.com/video/4S0TQ2dXnms/w-d-xo.html
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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@@razzarelli1988 ... of COURSE false doctrines SHOULD divide.
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Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
---------------------
Same here brother
Wow this mans humility and gracefulness is far more important than any of the endtimes doctrines. I'm just happy to be in the kingdom of God after hearing such a delightful man of God.
What?! Humility and favor in men's philosophy is *FAR MORE IMPORTANT* than *principles of the doctrine of Christ (Heb. 6:1-2)?*
Wow to that comment.
We're supposed to be humble to God & His Word (John 17:17; Jas. 4:7-10; 1Pet. 5:6;). NOT accepting or tolerant of just *any or all doctrines.*
Souls perish in error (Jas. 5:20; 2Pet. 3:17).
YAH have mercy & bring hearts to godly sorrow that worketh repentance to salvation (2Cor. 7:10).
@@walkinthelight1748
Far more important than arguing doctrine, and thus stepping outside of Christ like characteristics to stand on the untruthful dogmatic intellectual eschatological ideas that just distract us from walking in love and grace.
That was my piont.
Galatians 1:6b-8 KJV - "...there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, *let him be accursed.*
As we said before, so say I now again, *If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."*
Galatians 6:1 KJV - "Brethren, *if a man be overtaken in a fault,* ye which are spiritual, *restore such an one in the spirit of meekness;* considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted."
2John 1:8-10 KJV - "Look to yourselves, that we lose NOT those things which we have wrought, BUT *that we receive a full reward.*
*Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth NOT in the doctrine of Christ, HATH NOT GOD. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.*
*If there come ANY unto you, and bring NOT this doctrine, receive him NOT into your house, NEITHER bid him God speed:"*
John 8:31-32 KJV - "Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, *If ye continue in my WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed;*
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."
2Tim. 4:2 KJV-"Preach *the WORD;* be instant in season, out of season; *reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine."*
James 1:21 KJV - "Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, *and receive with meekness the engrafted WORD, which is able to save your souls."*
John 16:13; 1Timothy 4; 5:20-21; Titus 1; 2:11-15; Rev. 3:19.
@@e.r.m8986 id take a bashful man who stays true to the Word of God rather than slithering nice people who are open to different interpretations. The best option is to be please God by being kind, doing justice, and walking humbly and if any of this contradicts staying true and firm to true doctrines, then it doesn’t please God.
@@alil6547
Let God be glorified and Jesus Christ His son the only true God.
He presented premillenialism so well that I was shocked when he said he leans more towards amillenialism.
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Zechariah 14:4-5 KJV
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. [5] And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
@@larrybedouin2921 If you're so sure that all three positions on the millennial reign of Christ referred to in Rev 20 and described by Tom are apostate teachings, you should be able to tell us what the _correct_ teaching on the millennial reign is, so why don't you?
I await your reply with bated breath as I'm always willing to hear people out, but I must admit that I'm a tad wary of private interpretations...
2 Peter 1: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation.
@@oldnikonian343
Jewish wedding symbolism:
(A gospel within the gospel)
"Let not your heart be troubled: you believe in God, believe also in me.
In my Father's house (in heaven) are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, and receive you unto myself; *that where I am* there (in heaven) you may be also.
And where I go you know, and the way you know."
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father (who art in heaven), but by me."
{John 14:1-6}
--The time of the wedding was determined by the bridegroom's father and at the time determined by the father the bridegroom would fetch his bride and bring her back to his place prepared for them at his father's house.
And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
{Revelation 8:1}
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, RESERVED UNTO FIRE against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men
{2 Peter 3:7} (Jer 4:23-28, Zeph 3:6)
....
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
{2 Peter 3:13}
--The resurrected saints will enter in the gates of heaven into the new Jerusalem, that has been prepared for us in heaven.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
{Revelation 22:14}
(But *the rest of the dead* lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection.
{Revelation 20:5}
^
No man left alive on earth, after Jesus Christ comes again.
Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus will raise up us also by Jesus, and will present us with you (in heaven).
{2 Corinthians 4:14}
To the end [objective] he may establish your hearts unblameable in holiness BEFORE God, even our Father, (who art in heaven) at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
{1 Thessalonians 3:13}
(The time of the wedding feast)
"But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you IN MY FATHER'S KINGDOM."
{Matthew 26:29}
--The saints, after the thousand years (tabernacle) in heaven, the saints of God will descend with the Father and the Son and the host of heaven, with the new city and we will be spectators in our Creator's new six day creation of the new heavens and of the new earth. (Rev 21:1, Is 66:22-23, Zach 8:3, 14:4)
And the goat (scapegoat) will bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land NOT INHABITED: and he will release the goat in the wilderness.
{Leviticus 16:22}
And when the thousand years are expired, satan (the literal Azazel the scapegoat) will be loosed out of his prison, (also chains of circumstance.)
(The resurrection of the condemnation.)
And will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, GOG and MAGOG, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and DEVOURED them.
{Revelation 20:7-9}
And death and hell (hades the grave) where cast into the lake of fire, *this is the second death*
{Revelation 20:14}
And the saints will sing;
O death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your victory?
{1 Corinthians 15:55}
--Like the children of Israel, the saints will have a dispensation (time) of tabernacle with God the Father and with his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ in heaven, before the inheritance (and our eternal kingdom, and home in the country) is given to the saints.
This being the new heavens and the new earth, that the nation of Israel symbolized in the type of the end time greater reality.
These [The Patriarchs] all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed THAT THEY WERE STRANGERS AND PILGRIMS ON THE EARTH.
For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
But now they desire a better country, THAT IS AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
{Romans 11:13-16}
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for GREAT IS YOUR REWARD IN HEAVEN: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
{Matthew 5:12}
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
{2 Corinthians 5:1}
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
{Revelation 21:22}
@@larrybedouin2921 You must have misunderstood my request. I said...
"f you're so sure that all three positions on the millennial reign of Christ referred to in Rev 20 and described by Tom are apostate teachings, you should be able to tell us what the correct teaching on the millennial reign is, so why don't you? "
What you did instead was post a shed load of scripture with no interpretation.
So why don't you now, "tell us what the correct teaching on the millennial reign is"
His conclusion should be required listening for every Christian. This is one of the best presentations on this topic I have ever seen. Thank you.
A Millennium Puzzle to solve:
My view of the Millennium agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thess. 1:7-10, when Paul said Christ returns in "flaming fire" taking vengeance on those who do not obey the Gospel. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
My view agrees with what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:10-13, when Peter said this earth is going to burn and "dissolve" when He comes as a thief on the day of the Lord. The fire comes at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
My view agrees with what Paul said in 2 Tim. 4:1, when Paul said both the living and the dead will be judged at His appearing. The time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some and destruction for others is found in Rev. 11:18, right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible. (This verse also proves the Book of Rev. is not in chronological order.) The judgment of the dead is also found at the end of Rev. chapter 20.
My view agrees with what Jesus said in Matt. 25:31-46, where He described the judgment of the sheep and goats, which leaves no mortals alive on the planet at the end of the passage. There are also no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Rev. chapter 19.
My view agrees with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness.
My view agrees with what John recorded in Rev. 9:1-2, when an angel comes down from heaven with a key to unlock the pit, which means the pit was locked before that time. Are there wicked angels already in the pit in Rev. 9:11? John recorded angels already "bound" in Rev. 9:14. The beast "ascends" out of the pit in Rev. chapter 11, which means the beast was in the pit before that time.
Take all of the above and compare it to the symbolic language found in Rev. chapter 20, and the fact the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order, and you will have the truth.
Very impressed by his explanation of each belief and his resolve to present them without bias. I lean towards premillennialism but his points about a-millennial have spark in me an interest to study it more. If he can approach each theory without bias and be educated on each so can I.
Great video and keep up the good work.
I’m going more A-mill. that was the predominant view of the church for centuries. I need to study HISTORIC premill some. Dispensational premill has heresy and blasphemy written all over it and was never taught by anyone till 200 years ago.
Every time the word 1,000 is used in scripture it is symbolic. Can this one chapter in Revelation be an exception? I am not sure. I do know this, there will never again be any animal sacrifices to atone for sin as dispensational theology teaches thus nullifying Jesus’ eternal once for all sacrifice.
Also Ezekiel 40-48 does not teach this is a future temple at all. God told Ezekiel to show that people at that time the vision while they were still in Babylonian captivity. It was supposed to be the 2nd temple. They ended up with Herod’s temple as many did not go back to Judah once the 70 years were up.
It was a CONDITIONAL promise if even a promise at all. It wasn’t even promised to them. Merely, “show THIS people the vision”.
God would never condone going back to animal sacrifices. God destroyed the rebuilding of the temple several times in AD 363 when they tried to rebuild under Emperor Julian.
I almost wonder if we are in the time where the Bible says Satan was to be loosed for a season. It makes sense as everything got very evil very quickly. Think about it. The world was forcing people to allow an injection into their body that came from murder of the unborn. And then you lost your job if you didn’t comply. All the while knowing millions were going to die from the vaccines which is happening right now through heart attacks and being kept hush hush. Now if a literal 1,000 year reign is true, We have Jesus mocking his own blood as the Melchizedekian high priest of the millennium. It just doesn’t make any Biblical sense and creates all kinds of contradictions in scripture and makes many verses and whole passages in scripture deny the new covenant as being the EVERLASTING GOSPEL.
Where I am at on this.
Yes, the holy spirit will lead us into all truth...I was pre trib, pre mil. I was raised that way..one day when I was young a man asked me..do you study scripture or commentary? I bought me a Bible without commentaries throughout the pages..now I see clearly what the word of God says. The commentary of the Schofield bible is to indoctrinate the minds of young believers..it is actually a dangerous thing to add to scripture, as much as taking away from it..I hope you keep reading the scriptures..because there are things added by movies and books that are definantly error..
The words of jesus showed me how his biggest warning to his disciples was of decievers teaching the scriptures..have a great day..
Thank you for your explanation. It made Amillennial clearer to me. I had not heard of that term until recently and was confused. I don't personally agree but respect what others believe.
I'm grateful for this issue on a number of levels.
1. I'm grateful that it's not a Gospel requirement theologically. We aren't guilty of damnation for getting this one wrong.
2. I'm grateful that we have theological issues like this where we can disagree and wrestle with theology in good fellowship with each other.
3. Most of all, I'm grateful that in our wrestling God's glory still shines through the text of his revelation to us. He is all the more beautiful and glorious to me even where our theological conclusions are less than certain.
I have no doubt that God knows how difficult this issue is for us to discern from the revelation that he has provided. If anything, this tells me that what is important isn't the historical implications of the text (past, present, or future), but rather that God is sovereign in all matters at all times. He has a plan although we may not be able to discern it very well at all, and we can trust him in this, especially that he has provided his promised Messiah, Jesus Christ, that we might trust him in all his name entails.
Amen brother, that is very well said.
USMC Vet Thanks, and semper fi, brother.
Thank you Jim my brother. Beautifully put. God bless you and glory to our father and King ✝️
Isaiah 11:6-11 NKJV
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, The leopard shall lie down with the young goat, The calf and the young lion and the fatling together; And a little child shall lead them. [7] The cow and the bear shall graze; Their young ones shall lie down together; And the lion shall eat straw like the ox. [8] The nursing child shall play by the cobra's hole, And the weaned child shall put his hand in the viper's den. [9] They shall not hurt nor destroy in all My holy mountain, For the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD As the waters cover the sea. [10] "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, Who shall stand as a banner to the people; For the Gentiles shall seek Him, And His resting place shall be glorious." [11] It shall come to pass in that day That the Lord shall set His hand again the second time To recover the remnant of His people who are left, From Assyria and Egypt, From Pathros and Cush, From Elam and Shinar, From Hamath and the islands of the sea.
Except every pre mill church treats it as a core doctrine they really need to focus on the basics instead of so much on the end which will the way it comes without God asking us for our opinion
Wonderfully and beautifully balanced presentation of the views regarding millennium. I am a premill, but I am always learning to be humble towards those who don't hold my views, especially in non essential matters compared to the Gospel.
Although I’m thoroughly reformed, Schreiner is one of the scholars whom I really trust. He is always fair, balanced, careful, faithful to the text, and gracious in his approach to these type of subjects. That doesn’t mean that I agree with him on every subject but I wouldn’t hesitate to read him and seriously consider his views. There’s only a handful of people I would say that about.
I greatly appreciate this talk. Dr Schreiner argues the case persuasively for both Premillennialism and Amillennialism. I liked it so much, I've spent some time transcribing what he says. As I pause the video to type a few words, I can't help noticing how many times he smiles! I think he enjoys the stimulation of winsomely presenting an argument - including one he is not ultimately sold on!
I love this channel! And I'm postmillenial and I think it's bloomed since the filming of this video. Please consider another on the subject.
John Piper did an excellent job of moderating the debate. I am a Premillennialist, but each one of the men acted as gentlemen in discussing their differences. Thankfully, all things are going exactly according to God's timetable. When we stand before Him we will all have to modify our theology in one area or another. In the meantime, let's "occupy until He comes!" Luke 19:13.
As a futuristic premillennialist, this brother did a great job! It really is solely between amil and premil, those are the only views that can biblically hold water! We all need to make sure that we’re looking at our theology through the lenses of our Bible and not looking at our Bible through the lenses of our theology.
@Jonathan Thomas No, I’ve never read a book on any eschatological view. I dont have any issues with books, but I do think that’s a huge part of the reason why so many people have different eschatologies. If we all read the word and trusted the Holy Spirit to teach us instead of running off to a commentary, sermon, or book every time we get confused or want greater understanding. Whether the majority would be premillennial or amillennial (I’m positive they’d be premil), then we’d be much more United on this. I could be wrong about this next guess, but I’m assuming your postmil, due to that I’m going to keep my response short and sweet bc I don’t if you do believe it then my reasoning won’t convince you. So, the only result I can see from me giving my reasoning why postmil isn’t biblical would be one of stirring up anger or controversy. If you really want to know, I’d say just read the word and forget the books, commentaries, and even previously held theology. If you let the word shape it (IMO), there’s just no way to come out of it as a postmil
Nonsense!
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
@@larrybedouin2921 Chill out man.
I recently added a 20 video Revelation playlist on my channel. Just search Keith Elrod.
Tom was my teacher MANY years ago at APU. He is a good and godly man and an exceptional teacher
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
I’m not saying he is not a good teacher I just can refute through the word of GOD about the position he holds, that all
What an amazing video explanation presented in such a balanced way! Thank you so much for sharing your time and knowledge.
The more I read Revelation and research, the more convinced I become that we cannot know the answer right now because not enough has been revealed to us in the world yet. I think it will become clearer with time.
The following study should help if you are willing to take the time.
Revelation 20: Does your interpretation agree with all other scripture?
(Chronological or Recapitulation?) (Literal vs. Figurative?)
Based on the following scripture, will immortals and mortals both live on earth for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will there be renewed animal sacrifices in earthly Jerusalem for 1,000 years after the Second Coming of Christ? Will Christ conduct funeral services for mortals killed in accidents many years after His Second Coming? Graveyards needed?
Can the following questions be examined without ridicule, and condemnation, based on the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Can the number 1,000 be used in a symbolic manner? Psalm 50:10
Does an angel with a key come from heaven and open the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2? Why did the angel have to unlock the pit if it was not locked previously?
Who is the king of the angels in the bottomless pit found in Revelation 9:11?
Are some of the angels “bound” in some manner in Revelation 9:14?
If the beast comes up out of the pit in Revelation 11:7, where is the beast before then?
John sees “souls” at the beginning of Revelation chapter 20.
Are these the same “souls” found in Revelation 6:9-11?
Is the “first resurrection” in Revelation 20:5 the first bodily resurrection in the Book of Revelation? (Rev. 11:11) Are there two different types of resurrections in John chapter 5?
John 5:24 (Spiritual) ? Were you dead, and now you are alive?
John 5:27-30 Christ describes the bodily resurrection and “hour” of judgment of “all” the dead.
Who is the “strong man” who is bound in Matthew 12:26-29?
How is Satan “bound” in Revelation 20:3?
How many mortals are left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46?
Isaiah 65:17-25? Are people really dying in verse 20? Context, Context, Context…
The New Heavens and New Earth are found at the beginning of the passage, and the end of the curse is found at the end of the passage.
What happens if verse 20 begins with a negative statement? "There will be no more..."
Was Paul expecting Christ to return "in flaming fire", taking vengeance on those who do not know God in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10? How would mortals survive this fire?
Does the fire come at the end of Revelation 20?
Did Paul expect both the living and the dead to be judged at the appearing of Christ, in 2 Timothy 4:1?
When is the judgment of the dead in Revelation 20? Is it the same judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:18?
What is the restitution of all things at the return of Christ in Acts 3:20-21?
Will Christ's sacrifice at Calvary also reverse the curse, at His return?
Does death die at the last trumpet in 1 Corinthians 15:50-55?
Why did Jesus correct the woman at the well when she said earthly Jerusalem was the place to worship? See John 4:20-24.
Why did Paul say the Jerusalem above is our “mother” in Galatians 4:24-31?
What is the inheritance of the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Is the third temple found in 1 Peter 2:4-10? Is this temple just as real as a temple made of earthly stones?
What was Peter expecting on the day of the Lord when He comes as a thief in 2 Peter 3:10-13?
Do we find the judgment of both the living and the dead at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, in Revelation 11:15-18? Why do most preachers ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:18? What does it prove about the chronology of the Book of Revelation?
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Is there a correlation between Revelation 20 and earlier passages in the Book of Revelation?
Is Revelation chapter 20 another example of “Recapitulation”?
Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 18:23 And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Rev_18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Judgment Before the Great White Throne.
Rev_19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revealtion says the exact opposite in Revelation 1. It says we should read it and know it." Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near."
But scripture is sufficient..!
Future proves past.
“In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, and in all things charity.”- Rupertus Meldenius
This is a non-essential, but very interesting, even fun, to consider.
So you actually think the Scriptures are "non-essential"...
how many Scriptures do you consider non-essential.. did GOD
put them in the Bible for NO REASON?
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Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
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The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
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And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
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In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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It's actually very essential, because every last thing in the Bible is truth and extremely essential to understand. Don't push it aside, but seek the lord with all your heart to KNOW his truth. Deception overtakes the one who doesn't believe the whole Bible is essential. If it wasn't then the Lord would not have it written exactly the way He has from start to finish.
Yes and no. Yes, it's a non essential doctrine.
But some systems of eschatology are heretical. Dispensationalism for example.
@@keithelrod777 some call it the Church age
@@joshuatheo1419 you can just click on my pic on the left to get to my channel.
Thank you for bringing up all the issues I struggle with re: Premillennialism vs. Amillennialism. I like a teacher who takes these head on- but with humility and clarity. This helped me a lot.
I struggle with Isaiah 65:20 which sounds like a pro premillennialism view.
Excellent summary. Dean Davis wrote a comprehensive book on eschatology called “The High King of Heaven “ that I’m slogging through. In chapter 1 he points out the two basic types: personal and cosmic. We can all agree that we are all going to meet Jesus Christ one day. Period. A-millennialism has helped me overcome disillusionment with the prophecy hucksters that have profited by mans inherent fear of the future. Christ could return today or in a hundred years. “Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming “. This is what matters most.
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To balance "could be a day or a 100 years" . Please read Matt 24 :3 ,36-- 42, Luke 21 7,:29--36. We must be able to ID the SEASON of its approach or those verses are pointless, dont you think?
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
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The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And
these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal
incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people.
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And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
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In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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Some things have to happen before Christ returns to earth. The anti-christ has to take his position as a ruler. Jesus Christ cannot destroy him and set up his kingdom before that time.
What a refreshing perspective. Dr. Schreiner, your humbleness on this topic was so appreciated. I am actually a new seminary student, and I was wracked with fear about choosing the "wrong" school based on eschatological convictions. I wasn't (and still am not) even sure what MY beliefs are, but seeing the exteme vitriol between dispensational and covenant theologians online really caused me a lot of stress. It's so nice to hear this topic addressed BIBLICALLY and with a humble heart. Thanks again!
P.S. I cited your book, The King in His Beauty, in one of my first seminary papers. :) Cheers sir.
I too am Amil and it's been difficult to find others who share this same viewpoint due to growing up solely with Premil teaching in most churches. As I began studying the Bible for myself rather than getting spoon-fed the information, I noticed the facts that you shared. And logically there has to be a purpose for heaven! That's where Christ is currently ruling and reigning until His 2nd Coming...
Peace to you Judy.
In most church services I grew up in, they didn't too much mention the Revelation. I hadn't read it until around 2013.
I was brought to repentance at a message from Matt. 7:21-23, reading John 15:1-8, Matt. 25, & the Revelation chapters 2 & 3.
He told me to study. I've been reading, studying, submitting & praying to obey Him.
Luke 24:45 KJV - "Then opened he their understanding, *that they might understand the scriptures,"*
I believe on Him as the scriptures say, and believe the Lord opens understandings, *that WE might understand the scripture.*
I was told I was given a word of knowledge (1Cor. 12:8).
I've had to let go of some presuppositions I held from the church I became a minister in.
To me, the premil view seems in line with the conclusions I read within scripture texts.
People had to spoon-feed me an amil viewpoint, just for me to know about it because it's not read within the text.
Proverbs 25:2 NKJV - "It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter."
I have a hard time believing you didn't listen to *ANYONE ELSE (at all)* for you to believe an amil view now. Please consider this carefully.
I'm not saying you didn't choose this conclusion yourself, but I'm asking if you listened *to ANYONE ELSE* before changing your mind to hold an amil view?
Judy, scripture explains that heaven is God's throne (Psa. 11:4; Isa. 66:1).
I understand that as the third heaven (2Cor.12:2), the place that was considered PARADISE; where it was unlawful for Paul to talk about.
I don't mean the Gen. 1:8 (sky) "heaven" when *God called the firmament "heaven".*
Birds *fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of that heaven (Gen. 1:20).*
Genesis 1:8 NKJV - "And *God called the firmament Heaven.* So the evening and the morning were the second day."
Genesis 1:20 NKJV - "Then God said, 'Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let *birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.' ”*
Each person's experience is different. I get that. But *the truth is the truth.*
He plainly said *'amil' means 'NO millennium'.*
Amillennialism' denies a thousand year reign (what the scripture literally said).
At judgement, do you think affirming *'NO millennium'* will go without consequence (Matt. 4:4; Luke 4:4)?
Matthew 12:36 KJV - "But I say unto you, That *EVERY idle WORD that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."*
@@walkinthelight1748 You misheard what he said. He said that its unfair that its called amillenialism (either that premils or postmils gave them that title) and preferred the term "realized millenials". And if you heard the video, he clearly said that all believe in a millenium.
@@kerrickchavarria8935 I heard what he said, and I understand its significance.
He plainly said *amillennialism means NO millennium* (5:25-5:34).
He is absolutely correct, that is *the meaning of the word.* The word "Amillennialism" *literally* denies a thousand year reign (opposite the scripture).
If people *didn't know* BEFORE NOW, they had grace due to their ignorance.
Acts 17:30 NASB20 - “So having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now proclaiming to mankind that all people everywhere are to *REPENT,"*
NOW that people understand its meaning, they are without excuse, and will be accountable for choosing to confess things opposing God's Word.
At judgement, do *YOU* think affirming *'NO millennium'* will go without consequence (Matt. 4:4; Luke 4:4)?
Matthew 12:36 KJV - "But I say unto you, That *EVERY idle WORD that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."*
Yes, he further explains his position. But in denying truth of scripture, he promotes private interpretation a.k.a. false doctrine.
The 1st thing found in the revelation, Christ is calling His church to REPENT.
Revelation 2:16 KJV - *"REPENT;* OR ELSE *I WILL COME unto thee quickly,* and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth."
*REPENT,* means to change your mind or thinking, which affects your actions.
Revelation 3:19-20 NKJV - “As many as I love, *I rebuke and chasten.* Therefore *be zealous and REPENT.*
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."
Revelation 3:22 NKJV - "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."
@@walkinthelight1748 You can't say amillenials deny a millenium if there is a distinction where it began at the resurrection of Christ.
I think Tom is right. But even if he’s wrong, I still think he’s right. He’s just so solid overall, wise and compassionate that it’s impossible to disagree with him
Impossible to disagree with false doctrines? That's interesting.
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Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
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The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
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And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
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In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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Wise Virgin Bro do you just copy and paste ur comments ?
I disagree with him. The Bible is clear that the millennium is 1,000 years exactly. It lays it out pretty clear with an exact number. Also that aligns with the Jewish cycle of 7 planting and harvesting. They plant and harvest for 6 years and then let the Earth rest for the 7th year. That is a model for what happens to the Earth on a larger scale.
Jesus establishes His kingdom in Heaven not on this Earth. We are in Heaven during the millennium. The Earth is destroyed during the 1,000 years. AFTER the millennium we come back down to Earth and the wicked are raised up and are destroyed. THEN the new heavens and new Earth are created.
even if he’s wrong, I still think he’s right.
Thanks Dr Thomas, I love how you graciously explain things and also very clearly know that we all are limited in our knowledge and we can certainly lean towards one view but we should not be conceited to think we know it all.
This is a *GREAT* intro contrast into Pre- and A-mil views. We host Bible study in our home every week and like geeking out on these topics and this is the perfect video for our class this Wednesday!. What a humble and even-handed presentation and he makes excellent points - Jesus win, we win in Christ! In the mean time, don't be mean, love God, love man (even your enemies). Amen! I personally lean Pre-mill but love hearing well-thought arguments.
So good. I am very excited to study under Dr. Tom Schreiner one of these days. One of the best Biblical scholars of our day and age.
Really? Seriously? He seems to me like one of the dumbest, most ignorant men ever born. But I guess that's to be accepted at someone teaching at a second-rate Bible college that styles itself a seminary.
@@ballasog wow harsh words.
Study under no man but Christ.
@@ballasog I can see you're clearly trolling, but out of curiosity, what do you consider to be a "first-rate Bible college" or "first-rate seminary."
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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I appreciate this man’s humility. That is a rare thing to find when it comes to this subject
Two far more important questions (see video description) are 1) What is the authority? 2) When the Bible says something, unless it is a parable or clear analogy (as evidenced by the context and not how much someone believes it to be so), do you believe it means what it says? If the Bible isn't God's expressed word/covenant to us, if we can't trust God when He says certain things, then how can we trust any of it? Virgin birth? Water to wine? Sinless life? Resurrection?
Both postmil and amil do the same thing - take 1000 years plainly stated and say its not 1000 years. Then they start making up what it and what the rest of the passage means. It is impossible to reconcile that beginning to those perspectives with Jesus Christ being God as evidenced by His miraculous life and testified by the Father through the Holy Spirit. If I throw out 1000 years because 1) Why would such an incredible thing be so? Then logically 2) How can I believe anything miraculous?
The first two arguments made for amil are silly. First Argument: No where else in scripture do we read about the 1000 year reign of Christ. Why would I believe something that's not neat and clean? Answer: Revelations brings up a lot of things talked about no where else in scripture. It is talking about the end times, (world perspective) and not focusing on the restoration of fortunes for Israel - which will happen, on this Earth, just as the Bible says it will. Would you eliminate or change every passage in the scripture that is not repeated in more than one place? If so, why are we having this discussion? If not, then this isn't an argument in favor of amil. As for our concept of neat and clean (God, why would you have two resurrections?), there hasn't been anything neat and clean about mankind's existence or redemption on Earth and God isn't beholden to our desires. Second Argument: Claim that Revelations 20 & 21 aren't alluded to in Isaiah 60 and Ezekial 42 but Revelations 22 & 23 are... Answer: Well, we've already addressed that Revelations discusses new material previously not revealed. It isn't surprising that the restoration of Israel prophesied in the Old Testament doesn't give a full world portrait, just like Revelations 20-21 doesn't tell us everything either (2 chapters here people). What we have every reason to believe is that the Old Testament prophesies were referring to Israel's restoration here on this Earth, not the coming "New Heavens and Earth". Therefore, Revelations 22&23 don't share any allusion with Isaiah 60 and Ezekial 42 at all. Second argument destroyed same as the first.
I checked out at this point. All 6 arguments made for premillenialism were based on scripture. First 2 arguments for amillenialism were based on 1) why would it be this way? 2) can I find duplicate information elsewhere? The Bible is the Christian's authority and will always overcome human reason and desire. The Bible is sufficient to explain itself and when human reason and desire decide to make of it what they will then the whole thing is something we logically find ourselves rejecting (or illogically picking and choosing).
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The reason it doesn't necessarily have to be taken literally is because 1) Its idiomatic language and 2) Scripture defines /interprets scripture, therefore 1000 typically means a long and undetermined period of time or an age if you prefer. Do you think for example that there will literally be 144000 virgin men? Or what about Revelation 22, do you actually think there are literally people living outside Eternal Jerusalem, after The judgement?
1. It is the book of "Revelation" not plural. 2. There is no chapter 23 in Revelation. 3. Maybe a better word than 'literally" would be, do I take the words of God "seriously." There are figures of speech which we don't take literally, but we take the meaning seriously. Do I believe God said what He meant, and meant what He said?
Understanding the various genre of literature in the Bible is key also to how you’d interpret it. There’s historical-narrative, poetry, wisdom, apocalyptic, epistle (letters), etc. Knowing what genre you are reading will determine your hermeneutical approach. Just as you wouldn’t interpret a newspaper, a menu, or a poem in the same manner neither would you interpret the various genres in Scripture in the same manner. To do so is just reckless.
@@michaelruiz2682 What's *really reckless* is *to add to, or take away from, the words of the prophecy of that book (Rev 22:18-19).*
Dr. Schreiner has such a keen, spiritual mind and heart! I love how deep and warm-hearted he is in the Holy Scriptures! He is solid on! God be the glory!
Amillenialism as a unit makes absolute perfect sense biblically.
Premillennial makes sense literally.
The Saints who reign for the thousand years, who didn't take the mark or worship the beast or his image, they're already reigning? When did the mark of the beast happen?
@@Triggerhawk it’s not a literal mark. The mark of the beast is a figurative sign you belong to Satan. Those who put faith in Christ have the mark of Christ. You’re either a son of God or a son of the devil. Those who died faithful to Christ on earth did not take that mark because they belong to Christ. So therefore they reign with Him in heaven seated on thrones for the millennium.
@@adamcarpenter1869 what does the right hand or forehead symbolise then? I guess they could mean whatever we want them to mean. Don't worry about that question.
But you believe that an the abomination of desolation will be set up at the halfway point of the 7 year period when the man of sin is revealed?
@@Triggerhawk the abomination of desolation occurred in 70AD when Titus and the Roman army ransacked the Temple and Jerusalem. Jesus said the generation that he was speaking to would not pass away until it took place.
Have you ever studied Amillennialism?? Just curious. I think it’s really important to study up on Amillennialism as a unit otherwise we could go back and forth in many passages and not get anywhere. I was a former Dispensational premillennialist. I didn’t change my view until I studied all of Amillennialism as a unit. Scripture had begun to come together much clearer as I studied scripture more and more. Then after a little while it made perfect sense and my view changed completely.
This pastor is a bible technician. What a clever and wise teacher you are sir.
I find most deep thinking theologians to be overly dogmatic as they espouse the goodness of a position he holds. Dr Thomas Schreiner's gracious and humble attitude and calm explanation without judgement nor condescending speech is most refreshing. His last point regarding parallels between the first and second spiritual and physical resurrections is quite illuminating. Great teaching, sir! Thank you.
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
"My kingdom is not of this world" - Jesus
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Employee: what time do we close tonight?
Employer: when we're done with everything...
Employee: but when is that?
(Basically what is being discussed here. Just keep working and earning money while you can, and the boss will let you know when you can go home. Make sure to be pleasant to our customers!)
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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Keith Elrod yea man I don’t know what world you are living in but this is not the gospel age. This is actually more like the age of lies because Satan is already LOOSED at some point in the (recent) past, look at the corruption and death that surrounds us. The evil in the highest places. We are living in the post apocalypse after Armageddon and then the millennial kingdom age which ended very recently during ww1 when the entire earth was deceived (because Satan was free again and able to deceive the nations) into killing each other and shunning god. Since then we’ve been very rapidly descending into an abominably sinful society once more. We are actually waiting for Gog and Magog. The great deception is everyone is waiting for the rapture and Armageddon but that already happened.
@@keithelrod777 I believed this before watching any Millennial videos. What do you believe about The Sabbath? For me it begins when you are born again in Christ. You have to Remember to keep this spiritual day Holy every day.
@@jaimematus7308 I do believe that the Sabbath Commandment points to Jesus Christ. He is our Sabbath Rest. His earthly Work equals our Eternal Sabbath Rest.
@@keithelrod777 Thank you! God bless you!
I’m very grateful to have grown up in a Christian household. However, I wish I were able to read the Bible w/o any presuppositions, beforehand.
It would be amazing to just see the beauty of Christ’s love unfolding. We serve an awesome God! Full of wonders and mysteries.
13:30 I appreciate when said ' I wish I had more certainty about it' . That's a fair comment. I like him.
Yesss!!!! I was going to comment the same thing!! It’s so refreshing when they admit they don’t know, because only God can truly know! ❤
Outstanding video! Describes the topic well, focuses more on Christ than our disagreements, and focuses arguments within scripture. I personally still side with a historic premillennial view but this makes an outstanding case for Amillennialsim. Thank you for your work!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And
these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal
incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people.
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And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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This is the best short treatment of the subject I have seen. I am still a premillennialist but Dr. Schneiner is gracious in his arguments. I am a little surprised the Southern Baptists allow amil professors in their seminaries.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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Southern Baptist pastors and professors will be found holding the 2 major views. For this issue should not be an issue for causing divisiveness in our fellowship for God is in control
@@terryhumberd7546 I agree. Different views on the End Times should not divide evangelical believers.
@@keithelrod777 How on earth is satan locked up?? Satan is more powerful now than he has ever been since his fall from grace and he is the god of this world as the bible says. We are clearly not in the millennum
@@christiansoldier77 Hi Christian Soldier!!! Thank you for the reply!!! I want to invite you to my chnnel if you are open to finding out what the church believed the first 1800 plus years after Jesus Christ came in the Flesh. This new doctrine dealing with Revelation was started by darby in 1830. It is called futurism/dispensationalism. But I would love to answer your question right now on this chnnel. First, please read the following Scripture from Ephesians 6:
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. 12 For our struggle is not against [f]flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Christian Soldier, nice name by the Way, I was in the United States Army myself and as you are now, I am also a Christian Soldier. In the above beautiful Scripture we see that there is a spiritual battle going on. With us, where does this battle take place? Where are humans locked up? Humans are locked up in their hearts. We are body and soul and dead spirit without the Gospel of Jesus Christ. We must be born again, in the heart. Jesus makes us free!!! Hallelujah!!!
Remember, prior to hearing the Gospel, you physically roamed this earth, but spiritually your heart was in the chains of sin and death, your heart was locked up. This also applies to satan, his heart is locked up, yet he roams this earth like a hungry, desperate lion, who was banished from the lions pride because of his pride. In Revelation 20, he will be freed for a very short time to stand before God in judgement, then he is thrown into the lake of fire.
We that have been truly born again in the heart, are saved by God, it is not of ourselves, we are the true sheep souly because of Him, we will no longer be deceived in our hearts as far as losing our salvation, the Gospel sets us free. Christian Soldier, this is the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ: Jesus conquered sin and death and then He sent us the Holy Spirit. When we share the Gospel, hearts are set/made free, this is spiritual warfare, the battle ground is the human heart.
The Gospel Era aka Church Age aka Millennial Reign aka 1,000 Year Reign are all the same thing. After the Work of Jesus we have been tasked as soldiers of Christ to share His Gospel. Let's get our soles moving for souls!!!
I hope you are able to check out my chnnel, I have 45 videos now, all about the Gospel, Hallelujah!!! I respond to every comment on my chnnel. Have a great weekend!!!
6:55 👍… wow, a humble, gracious, erudite, gentle, non-self-righteous, and non-judgmental American Christian who first and foremost believes in Christ and the message of the Gospel instead of getting deflected or distracted by unimportant things! The sort of person Christ would have liked. - What a rarity! May God bless him.
Thank you so much for this presentation. I don't believe that I have ever heard amillennialism explained in this way. I try not to have a dog in this fight. The Biblical descriptions of the eschaton are shrouded in mysteries within mysteries. It's much like the prophetical descriptions of messiah to the ancient Isrealites. They envisioned a warrior king who would lead the Isrealites in holy conquest of all the gentiles. How could they have got it so wrong?
For me, the main thing is the Gospel. Without the Gospel, nothing else matters.
God's grace, peace, and joy!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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We are in the Millennial Reign of Christ right now, it should be better titled the Gospel Era. satan is locked up right now and before you heard the Gospel Message you were locked up with him in the chains of sin and death, Jesus makes us free!!! Today's Gospel is soooooo weak, the Gospel is simple: Jesus conquered sin and death, and then He sent us the Holy Spirit, our Helper/Comforter, Hallelujah!!! Here is a short video I made on this topic: th-cam.com/video/3DcgvKTDQbA/w-d-xo.html
This is one of the best explanations of the Millennial Kingdom that I have heard. I appreciate that the professor is open-minded and not overly adamant for either position. I also agree that either way, we don't have a vote and that none of the options change our position in Christ. Thank you for an excellent presentation. 👏
Thanks for the overview of the other positions. Postmill for sure.
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
@@RadioForYahweh thanks for your input and opinion. Seems like youre taking the book of Revelation literally, which is a bad idea. Rev 1:1 says it was written in symbols. The 1000 years is NOT a literal 1000years. We cannot be lazy and must dig into the meaning of the text carefully.
I know both positions well. The Dr. did a great job. I don’t like these titles we make up. I have to agree with him that this is extremely difficult and is not a salvation issue. Therefore, humility is best and don’t break fellowship. Eschatology is for comfort most importantly. Jesus comes back for us and we will be with Him forever.
Thank you so much. This is excellent, so much good work in a such a short space of time, and done in an excellent spirit. May God bless you more!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
These videos are outstanding! Thank you for making these! Please keep this series going!
Compare the two theories, I prefer to follow the pre millenial view. It is because when I study Daniel 9: 24 to 27, I find that this verses are more close to the correct explanation
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
---------------------
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
This was truely a blessing to hear! Love the man’s humble heart..
I am in the process of studying all views about revelations. Pre mid post rapture, pre mid post tribulation. Mail pre post millinealism.
The more I read and study I’ve come to a conclusion … I had a moment of reflection of these studies and if I’m honest with myself.. I was studying from a point of trying to figure out when the rapture will occur! It’s so much easier too just repent know that Jesus is coming and Be ready at all times.. His word says not to trouble ourselves for these things must happen! And no one knows the day or hour except the father!
I think I’m just going to allow the word sink in to my heart.
I’m going to love my life to glorify God! and just be ready for His coming🙌🙌🙌
Thank you for this message. To be an amillennialist is to believe that Satan is bound and there is no demonic activity on the earth today. If that is the case, can you pinpoint the time in the past when Revelation 12 occurred? Blessings in Christ
Luke 10:18
@@ravinroyer Thank you for your reply, Ravin.
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
The satan has been released for a short time...we have had the 1000 years...our timeline is as reliable as a two bob watch..we are closer to Christ life on earth then history says...maybe 1300 years...have a look at coins from 1600 and 1500 AD....THEY HAVE AN i or j for Jesus and then date...example i635
Wonderful discussion about a very complex topic. An interesting topic but not a topic to become arrogant over and certainly not something we need to divide over.
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
Really good job of representing each view!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
---------------------
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
@@wisevirgin3405 !!!!+å!!
Once I read the account of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD it completely changed the way I read Revelation.
When was the antichrist and false prophet thrown into the abyss in 70AD? Did Jesus return in 70AD to bring judgement? The bowl and trumpet events? Wormwood?
Thousand years of peace has already happened. We are in the short time, the short season. The time where the whole earth is in deception. So here we are
I tend to agree with you. I didn't hear him mention the short time satan will be released to deceive again. Satans deception is making people think Jesus hasn't come at all .
Nonsense!
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
@@larrybedouin2921 its all black and white, so simple a 5 year old can read and understand. Then something happens you grow up and now you dont understand, and here we are with thousands of different religions and yet read the same book. Its a double edged sword cuts straight and true . Read to know.
@@alekm3874
I have for almost threescore years.
@@alekm3874
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and *they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years*
(But *the rest of the dead* lived not again until the thousand years were finished.) This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such *the second death* hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
*And when the thousand years are expired* Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
^
The resurrection of (Condemation) shame and everlasting contempt.
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters (a merism) of the earth, *Gog and Magog* to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
{Revelation 20:4-10}
Excellent food for thought, I love you brother, and I appreciate the Spirit for blessing you with a smooth way of piecing a controversial issue in an understanding manner. You are blessed…
Thanks for this one. You've presented each view with a good understanding, and also in a very gracious (with grace I mean) way!
Thanks for the conclusions as well. It takes mature thinking, to take it that way.
May God bless you all, and keep using you for His glory!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
---------------------
Totally ran from post mil like Forest Gump. Run forest run
It is absolutely of utmost importance. One view is nonsensical, one calls God a liar and then you are only left with one view that is biblical.
Amil, Premil, and Postmil. Pretrib, Midtrib, and Posttrib. I have heard these versions and others like them. I believe there is a bit of truth and accuracy in each one. I read scripture as it is simply written and let the Holy Spirit reveal what is needed for salvation. The Devil has put so many questions, ideas, and theories in the minds of believers that it has caused unnecessary confusion over time. If our forefathers and first church leaders were on the same page, why aren't we? One simple fact was revealed to me many years ago." If a soul is not right with GOD, if that soul is not part of the body of Christ, then what we perceive the scriptures to say means absolutely nothing ". Christ is redeeming his Elect. To believe is just step one. The word of GOD will unfold perfectly in His time and how He desires. Continue in Christ Jesus. Continue in His faith. Be steadfast and awake and watching. Jesus Christ is alive and well and everything is under control. Let the Father have His way. Peace Brothers and Sisters.........
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Such finite creatures we are indeed compared to a great and omniscient Creator God! We can only respond in awe and worship at His feet, showing the world we are His by being united in love. Maranatha, Lord Jesus!
Thank you so much Dr Thomas for this explanation! God bless you all!
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
Excellent job, Brother Thomas! I think you wonderfully described this issue with grace.
It's not really a issue, it's part of God's love for mankind, the millennial reign will allow God's son Jesus christ time to bring the majority of mankind back to perfection like Adam and Eve before they sinned on a beautiful restored earth and then to face one Last test before life for all eternity Revelation 20 v 3; Acts 24 v 15; Matthew 5 v 5
I see the book of Revelation as a recapitulation. It is the same story told over and over through the whole book. Vodie Bauchman has a very good study on this book
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And
these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal
incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people.
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
---------------------
Second Coming Visions in Revelation:
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and the greatest earthquake in history is found in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial.
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
The only way to properly interpret the book is through the principle of "Recapitulation".
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Because Voddie interpretation or the consummation of all things end at Rev. 19:11 is flaw because there is more in Revelation 20th Chapter. To say Chapter 20 does not follow Chapter 19 is ludicrous because for them to say so would make the point of Pre- Millennialism un- attacked. When Christ comes the 20th Chapter of Revelation the consummation of all things are not over before this point. He definitely looks past Chapter 20 to Chapters 21&22.
Great video and I really appreciate the humility you express in giving your well thought out opinion of each view. Rare to find somebody not demonizing opposing views these days over a subject that doesn’t hinder the true message of salvation and the cross.
Fair representations with a persuasive persona!
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
---------------------
Hey Brother! well, I just enjoyed the way You demonstratet the arguments about Milenium: "We're brothers anyway" You said. Thank You for helping. I've been a Presbiterian Pastor for 44 Yeas. God bless You. Francisco, from Brasil.
I very much appreciate the good Dr and all of his work, but I gotta wonder if he listened to this after recording. When he explained premil it was simple and straightforward; exactly how you would read it. His defense of amil was incredibly convoluted. One has to go to great lengths in order to avoid a straightforward reading of Revelation and other relevant text. Turning a breadstick into a pretzel.
This is what I was thinking. I don't see how anyone could listen to that middle chunk of the video and not come to a premillennialist conclusion.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And
these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal
incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people.
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
---------------------
I heard Voddie say that Chapter 20 of Revelation does not follow Chapter 19 of Revelation, because chapter 19 is suppose to be the consummation of all things , so he says. So Chapter 20 is a re-telling of chapter 19 , so disingenuous because Chapter 20 is a continuation of the things that will take place at Christ second Coming.
@@losgoodmusicmandrell8371 These folks adopt poor exegesis as a result of their view of Israel. Eschatological views that developed during a time period when Israel didn't exist which led to all the other views spiritualizing everything. Basically the thinking was, since Israel no longer exist all these promises made to Israel can't be literal. Therefore, the church must be "spiritual" Israel. 1948 changes everything and brings all those promises into focus and eventual fulfillment.
@@fivepointbaptist My things is , in spite of all the scriptures that GOD will never abandon HIS word about Israel and the unconditional covenants, land, and promises they still cast Israel off. They will never cease from being a nation, no matter how much judgement , trails& tribulations they endure. GOD said HIS tongue would cleve to the roof of HIS mouth if Israel cease from being a nation.
For 20 years I was part of a Baptist congregation who believed in "Premillenialism", I never was convinced by it, I always held the Amillenial view. Now as a Catholic I'm glad to know that the Church has always taught Amillenialism.
La Fe de la Iglesia yeah the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been right haha
@@jessedaughtry4433 True! The only Church founded by Christ!
How do you arrive at an amillennial eschatology on your own just reading the Scriptures?
@@ncbible1575 yes it was reading the Scriptures, later when I read the "Premil" literature I immediately realized the many intelectual gynnastics that Ryyrie & Chafer did in order to expllain Premillenialism.
@@LaFedelaIglesia how is one saved (justified) according to your faith?
Premillenialist interpretation is easily the straight forward and best and correct interpretation. It always raises red flags when someone just throws around, well it is not literal. You have to have really good reasons to interpret something figuratively, instead of literally.
@David H. Revelations is not just all metaphor . Also the visions are real John saw into the future otherwise his vision would just be hallucinations . The millennium is clearly a literal period where Jesus and all the dead in Christ rule and judge the earth. Peace will reign with no war . All the wild animals will be tame so that the fox will lay down with the sheep. So how in the world can anyone think this is a metaphor?
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
I guess you interpret the lamb in the book of Revelation literally too, right? It's not really Jesus, it's a literal lamb?
@@larrybedouin2921 The promise of God to Israel and the Jewish people was for Messiah to rule and reign for a thousand years FROM Jerusalem, not Heaven.
@@Godshock777
Nonsense!
I had been a pre-mill for about three decades. For the last few days, I started listening to Dr. Llyod Jones' series of teachings on Eschatology. I feel that Amill is kind of more reliable and within the boundaries of Bible Scriptures.
Amillinialism (millenialism) is theologically correct, and biblically consistent.
The focus however, must always be on Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
Jesus is coming. Are You ready? Amen
@Paul Beduhn please enlighten us Paul. Really, I want to hear what you say
@Paul Beduhn Yes you have nailed it. IF YOU HAD AN IMMORTAL SPIRIT-- NO NEED A RESURRECTION. Satan started it with Eve and was adopted by ancient Babylon. That and its trinities of deities, at the confusion of Babel; these and many other of Babylons Satanically inspired lies were spread abroad as they scattered. Revelation is a closed book to Christendom and only open to God and Jesus' "slaves"
(see interlinears) Rev 1:1. NASV "Bond Servants". Rev 20:7 (in parenthesis) "the REST of the dead did not come to life until the 1000 years are ended). Anastasis does always mean a physical resurrection. It literally means "a standing up again". Ask any Greek. So what gives here.? It was inserted to distinquish the difference between the 2 resurrections. The 1st who will go to heaven to rule with Jesus, = instant immortality. the 2nd involves mostly the billions who have died never seeing/hearing of the True God, his Son and His word and will. Acts 24:15. This will likely begin early into the millenium. They will be so educated and trained . Isiah 11:9. After the 1000 years they will, in the main "come to life" as they progressively move toward perfection as Adam was at the start. But I must point out the many/majority who receive an adverse judgment at Jesus
return will not get a resurrection as can be seen by what we see at Rev 19: 11--17. The birds are figuratively
invited to eat the dead bodies flesh, dont get a proper burial, not to be remembered ever again. Compare Jer 25:31--33. Jesus called this judgment "gehenna" 11 times. (Most Bibles say wrongly hell). Hebrew Geh- Hinnom. That was the Jerusalem rubbish dump where dead bodies of animals and some times criminals were thrown. Not a proper burial, considered so evil as to not deserve such. The presenter did not really commit to a definitive answer and like most "Pastors" "ministers" "priests" such is really saying "Idont Know"
Another day I will tell you who does know.
Dont know why that line appeared, maybe i hit the reply button a bit hard.
@@ralphgoreham3516 You copied and pasted and hit a wrong button.
@@ronaller5209 Oh I see. What say you about my post, or does it not matter to you.
Good point about Ezekiel. Not having a temple would agree with a unique set of dimensions given there-as apocalyptic and not indicative of a physical temple.
Since graduating from Gordon Conwell in 1981 I have worked through the book of revelation verse by verse using the exegesis and hermeneutics I was taught. I’ve read countless great commentaries on this book. The conclusion I have come to is that, indeed, it is not one book but seven books that tells the same story seven times, from seven different perspectives. As far as the millennium is concerned I have the same leanings you do. To me the idea of Jesus raining on earth for 1000 years when people can still reject him and they end up rebelling against him at the end of the thousand years makes no sense whatsoever and goes against what Scripture teaches will happen when Christ returns… every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
I do not believe that the thousand years is literal just as I do not believe that God only owns the cattle on 1000 hills. You’ve done a good job here. I don’t consider myself an amillennialist… rather, a realized millennialist! In any event I certainly do agree that graciousness is and love should be extended in this discussion. I know what I believe and it’s some thing I’ve researched for over 20 years so I do have strong convictions… Tentatively. I think it was perhaps Karl Barth who Once said, “When it comes to the book of revelation sometimes we have to step back and say… I wonder? “
Think revelations is taken way to far by most theorist. In the King James version it's the revelations of Saint John the Devine on his assertion to become a prophet. I think it was a play about parts of his life with how each part related to Jesus christ. With an end note to allow people who were just and unjust to be part of the body of christ. Or coming together of jews and gentiles. That was my .02cents
Absolutely false. Tge thousand years is in heaven, after the first resurrection.
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
@@larrybedouin2921 I think your theology is correct here but I think you need to be careful with how you portray other people who differ from you
@@marksantostefano1637
Why is it that truth is received as hateful and not from love?
Was Jesus hateful for calling the priest and scribes whitewashed sepulchers? Or was it his desire that they turn from their evil ungodly ways and cease from leading others astray?
Do not judge another's intentions.
@@larrybedouin2921 That’s so funny that’s like the pot calling the kettle black!
Great stuff. I learned a lot from this video. Mostly what I learned is to respect Christians with views that differ from my own.
What a great video thx for clearing the differences up. I’m thinking at one time it didn’t matter as to how the end would come but now i think it’s important to consider wisely how I should invest my day’s. As for me I’m preparing my flock for increased persecution. Love the discussion
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
I was first taught Dispensationalism (Pretribulational rapture and Premillennial return). But this was taught as the one Christian view at my Calvary Chapel and then at my Evangelical Covenant church. This was before i was an adult.
Then in my early 30's, S.L. Anderson's videos mostly convinced me of a Posttribulational Prewrath Rapture. But i was finally done with the Pretrib' view when i realized that it was the main and only view of Dispensationalism. By this time, i considered Dispensationalism to be a saved Christian's version of a low level Gnosticism (or F. Masonry). Instead of levels, it was aeons, and they're flippant about the doom of people in other levels/ages. So i rejected the Pretribulational rapture, even though i hadn't learned the Posttribulational Prewrath rapture equally well.
Then in my own studies, in my late 30's, i resolved an apparent contradiction, by becoming partly Preterist and Futurist. Later i found out i did so in a very unusual way, since i am still Premillennial with Christ's return. Now i see the Worst Tribulation, _not_ as the big spectacular cataclysms of Revelation. Instead i go by the slogan, "The Worst Tribulation for the Worst Crime." And instead of seeing the Worst as lasting all of Daniel's final year-week, i see it as only the middle of the final year-week. In Leviticus 26, Jews under the Old Covenant can have their punishments multiplied by 7. It says so 4 times. I see this as applying to the time of the punishment also. I don't know if God has returned the Jewish captivity yet or not, since there are more Jews in New York than Israel, and Israel kept giving away land, the most recent being Gaza. But then again, there is a country of Israel now, and many have returned to it. I see Daniel's claim that the temple shall be cleansed as the Torah's cleansing of a clay pot -- total destruction first. Notice Jesus mentioned multiple buildings here, "And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." - Mark 13:2 KJV. There are still a few stones left upon another. After our current portion of Daniel's final year-week ceases to be multiplied by 7 and is finally over, after this shall the last stones finally be overturned.
Then it is the "tribulation of those days", which is the tribulation of false Christs who are also miraculous.
Then it is the Sixth Seal.
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" - Matthew 24:29 KJV.
Then there is an unknown time between the 6th and 7th trumps of the trumpets.
Then it is the literal Millennial reign.
Then it is the New Heaven, New Jerusalem, New Earth, and Second Death.
Hebrews calls it a day of rest (future) and this 1000 years is the inheritance of Christ that He will share with His chosen. Since this inheritance is referred to as the Kingdom of Heaven (a position of reign and rule with Christ) and the fact that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom than I dont think it has or is happening now but is yet future and literal.
Yes John. correct. But what is its purpose? Answer. there are some 15 billion people have hitherto died. Most have never heartd of the true God, his son and Gods will and purpose. They are not in heaven. John 3:13. Nor are they in any hellfire but are sleeping in the grave untill the RESURRECTION (sheole or hades). God will systematically "wake" them up. (there are exceptions to this and those will never wake up). Isiah 26:19, 25:8 Acts 24:15. Following the coming judgment the "New Earth" paradise under Gods rule will ensue.. They will all be educated to show their true colors without ignorance. Isaiah 11:9, Rev 22:1,2. Gods river of truth is for "the curing of the nations." At the end of the 1000 years Satan will be loosed from his prison like state to test perfected humanity. Many will still fall away then but those who dont will "inheret the earth" forever. Psalm 37:29, Matt. 5:5. Rev 20:7--15.
@@ralphgoreham3516 My purpose is to spread the word of the Kingdom of God and distinguish it from the place of heaven. I want believers to be sanctified (salvation of the soul [1 Pt 1.9, James 1.21, Heb10.39]/chosen/bride of Christ/rewards) so that they receive the inheritance per Acts 20.32, 26.18 which is eternal (age lasting) life for 1000 years vice loosing their reward/outer darkness/gnashing and wailing of teeth per the parables of the talents/10 virgins/wedding in Mt 22.1-14. Many are called but few are chosen. God bless.
@@johnhoffman8203 Hi John but the topic was about the millenium and its purpose. This is important to know for the great multitude aka Rev 7:7--17 will be the foundation on which the "new earth" (people) will be built. they
"come through the great tribulation and will be GUIDED to life" by God and his sons' waters of life. Most of those will be JWS. This is the earthly aspect of the kingdom of God. The "bride of Christ", the 144,000 spiritual Israelites will rule with Jesus in heaven. Rev 20:4--6, 1Pet 1:4. That is the Kingdom arrangement. As shown by Matt 24:14 this must be promulgated to all the nations to the extent of Gods will. Your problem therefore is how this can be done before the end comes. This means the preaching of it must be internationally UNIFIED, NOT LIKE THE 33,000 "Christian" groups there are today that have made a mockery of God and his word. Only JWS have the personel, infrastructure, and motivation to do so and have thus far been doing so for 100 years. If you would like to know more about this go to JW.org and click on " Bible questions answered".
Yes, Amen. The thousand years is indeed in heaven. Jn 14.
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Here is a post I made on another thread on this video, please check it out: Thank you for sharing how so many “experts” today say that Revelation was written post 70AD. That’s makes total sense because probably 90% of today’s church is 100% deceived/misled. You and them insist that the Book of Revelation is still in the future. This is very sad. Your god, not my God, didn’t see this horrific, terrible event coming, millions of Hebrews slaughtered in 70AD, every single structure was leveled aside from one Roman garrison wall (wailing wall), the Temple was utterly and totally destroyed, not one stone was left upon another just as Jesus, God in the Flesh said, but your god didn’t see this coming. I will stick to the Word of God, you can stick with the “experts”. So again, this is super redundant, but let’s take the Revelation test one more time, then we will go a little further to get God’s answer as far as audience.
King Solomon, Sol, not sure why you would even use that name, but one last time Sol, when was the Book of Revelation to begin to take place?
A. Over 2021 years in the future like all the “experts” say.
Or
B. “the things that must soon take place” and “for the time is near”
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. Revelation 1:1-3
Sol, I fully realize that the “experts” say that soon means something else and that the time is near doesn’t mean the time is near. Sol, please put the Bible, God’s Word far, far above your experts. Okay, now who is the audience of Revelation? Some group of people in the future, even more future than 2021 years? No, keep reading God’s Word:
John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, Revelation 1:4
These aren’t real churches, right? Wrong. They were real, and real letters went to them. These letters were written in Old Testament code, if you don’t know your Bible, like Daniel, Ezekiel, or Zechariah etc. you won’t understand the letters. So Sol, was John just scaring these people. Psych! Didn’t mean to send all these horrific things that are going to happen soon, for the time is near. I was just playing 7 churches, relax, I am actually going to come in the clouds to destroy Jerusalem over 2021 years in the future. All the things I wrote in Matthew 23, preceding Matthew 24 weren’t for the Hebrews that turned their back on Me, they cheated on Me, they whored around on Me. I chose my people, a special people, to bring Myself into mankind, to save all people. But many of you didn’t recognize my visitation, Emmanuel, God was with you, among you, but you hated Me, you made My House a den of thieves, I am coming for you in the clouds. Your religious system is over, I will destroy this Temple, because you are clueless on how it points to Me. I will take My Ark of the Covenant to Heaven, then I will destroy the Temple. All your Levitical priest lineage records will be destroyed as well, no more temples and no more animal sacrifices, the system is over. Even the Romans, who ruled the known earth and were made up of all nations of the earth, will see me coming in the clouds to destroy you as they attack from the ground.
Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. Revelation 1:7
200 million are with Me from Heaven. You could add up every single soldier from all history and you won’t get 200,000,000. Example: right now the U.S. might have 2 million, Russia the same, China a little more than 2 million. We are coming from the East, because in Numbers 2, Judah camped on the East. Jesus Christ is the Lion of Judah. We are crossing the Euphrates on dry land, dry land refers to “waterless” places, the spiritual realm.
“When they become waterless, they are silent, When it is hot, they vanish from their place. Job 6:17
As for you also, because of the blood of My covenant with you, I have set your prisoners free from the waterless pit. Zechariah 9:11
(Notice, these are the Old Testament saints that were held captive in the Bosom until hearing the Gospel Message from Jesus Christ Himself, they came in the clouds with Jesus)
43 “(A)Now when the unclean spirit comes out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Matthew 12:43
24 “(A)When the unclean spirit comes out of [a]a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it then says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ Luke 11:24
Sol, the spiritual realm is referred to as waterless places or crossing the Euphrates on dry land. Do you remember in 2 Kings 19 and in Isaiah 37 when the angel of the Lord struck 185,000 dead? Yes, the spiritual realm interacted with this physical realm. Or do you remember sodom and gomorrah? How God destroyed them from above? Jerusalem is even called sodom in Revelation.
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:8
You and the experts are out of your mind if you honestly believe that God would not mention this horrific 70AD event.
Where is the Ark of the Covenant? Harrison Ford (from raiders of the lost ark) can’t find it, your experts can’t find it. Prior to God destroying the Temple in 70AD, He brought the Ark to Heaven. God tells us where it’s at:
And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. Revelation 11:19
Ezekiel’s Temple is in Heaven. The Old Testament saints are experiencing the Millennial Reign there as we speak. The First Resurrection already happened. You are very, very cult like in denying the First Resurrection. We see the First Resurrection in Ezekiel 37. You and your experts are out of your mind thinking that Ezekiel’s Temple will be built in this earth. You and the experts need to set your mind on things Above. Sol, we live maybe 85 years as humans, we live millions, billions, trillions of years in Eternity. Focus on Eternity, not some fictional glitter and gold 1,000 year earthly worldly disney land with a high five jesus.
Sol, remember not too many years ago, when there was a volcano in Europe, remember how it was seen for miles and miles and miles. Sol, remember how it severely disrupted aircraft traffic? Jesus Himself said that one of the disciples would not die until after the 70AD destruction occurred. John could very, very easily see the mass destruction of Jerusalem from Patmos.
27 For the (A)Son of Man (B)is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and (C)will then repay every person according to his [a]deeds. 28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the (D)Son of Man (E)coming in His kingdom.” Matthew 16:27, 28)
And Jesus was saying to them, “(A)Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God when it has come with power.” Mark 9:1
You see Sol, this is not the First Resurrection, and it is not the Second Resurrection. He came to destroy in 70AD, not rescue. The First Resurrection already happened. The Second Resurrection is future (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Peter 3)
Sol, don’t trust the experts. Put your faith in God’s Word. Don’t go with the majority, go with God. Happy studying Sol!!!
My point was not that he was right, but that in his presentation, he showed humility.
If taken literally, the book of Revelations is much easier to understand. One has to cross reference it with the old testament as well. Now if one wants to make it virtually impossible to understand then open it up to a hundred different view points and translations. Who's translation of Revelations do you believe, this guys, that guys, the other guys. Why not just take God at his word and believe what he says, literally? After all, the book says we are blessed if we read it. Are we really meant to not understand it?
That's a very good point! Plus it's basically all picture code language so it's pretty much open to interpretation...as you say, read it and be blessed... that's a great invitation
Revelation 1:1- The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and SIGNIFIED it by his angel unto his servant John:.
I capitalized the word signified in that verse, because it is a key word for the entire book of Revelation that is often overlooked or ignored.
Webster's definition of signified
-a concept or meaning as distinguished from the sign through which it is communicated.
John is telling us here that this will be a book filled with signs and symbols. I firmly believe that God's Word is to be taken literally, unless it tells us otherwise. Such as when Jesus spoke in parables, and it is told to us that it is symbolic language and not to be taken literally. Here we are being given the same forewarning. Is it possible the millennium is literal, yes. Is it possible it is a sign depicting something, yes. I tend to believe in the latter. If you don't, that's ok. Where you fall on the interpretation of this is not a salvation determining issue.
Do you believe that the 7 lampstands in chapter 1 are literally 7 lampstands or do they symbolize 7 churches?
@@markwebb7576 Keep reading your Bible because it goes on to say this, "and the seven lampstands are the seven churches". Were the lampstands literal? Yes. Do they represent something? Yes. Does scripture explain it symbolism? Yes.
@@bigmac3006 yes I know what the chapter says, that's my point. The chapter is explaining to us how to understand the book, by realising that the images are symbolic of real things. We are told that the lampstands and the stars are symbolic, not literal.
To give another example, Revelation 12 speaks of the dragon sweeping a third of the stars from the sky down to earth with his tail. Is this literal?
I highly recommend Martyn Lloyd Jones sermon on post millennialism and premillennialism ..
You said no Old Testament books talk about literal “Rule of Jesus on earth “ can you explain Zechariah 14 especially vers: 16-17.
See the living waters and change in lighting, in Revelation 21, and Revelation 22.
@Jeremiah Lawson I agree. It seems clear to me.
The thousand years is in heaven.
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
Here is a post I made on another thread on this video, please check it out: Thank you for sharing how so many “experts” today say that Revelation was written post 70AD. That’s makes total sense because probably 90% of today’s church is 100% deceived/misled. You and them insist that the Book of Revelation is still in the future. This is very sad. Your god, not my God, didn’t see this horrific, terrible event coming, millions of Hebrews slaughtered in 70AD, every single structure was leveled aside from one Roman garrison wall (wailing wall), the Temple was utterly and totally destroyed, not one stone was left upon another just as Jesus, God in the Flesh said, but your god didn’t see this coming. I will stick to the Word of God, you can stick with the “experts”. So again, this is super redundant, but let’s take the Revelation test one more time, then we will go a little further to get God’s answer as far as audience.
King Solomon, Sol, not sure why you would even use that name, but one last time Sol, when was the Book of Revelation to begin to take place?
A. Over 2021 years in the future like all the “experts” say.
Or
B. “the things that must soon take place” and “for the time is near”
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His bond-servants, the things which must soon take place; and He sent and communicated it by His angel to His bond-servant John, who testified to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of the prophecy, and heed the things which are written in it; for the time is near. Revelation 1:1-3
Sol, I fully realize that the “experts” say that soon means something else and that the time is near doesn’t mean the time is near. Sol, please put the Bible, God’s Word far, far above your experts. Okay, now who is the audience of Revelation? Some group of people in the future, even more future than 2021 years? No, keep reading God’s Word:
John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, Revelation 1:4
These aren’t real churches, right? Wrong. They were real, and real letters went to them. These letters were written in Old Testament code, if you don’t know your Bible, like Daniel, Ezekiel, or Zechariah etc. you won’t understand the letters. So Sol, was John just scaring these people. Psych! Didn’t mean to send all these horrific things that are going to happen soon, for the time is near. I was just playing 7 churches, relax, I am actually going to come in the clouds to destroy Jerusalem over 2021 years in the future. All the things I wrote in Matthew 23, preceding Matthew 24 weren’t for the Hebrews that turned their back on Me, they cheated on Me, they whored around on Me. I chose my people, a special people, to bring Myself into mankind, to save all people. But many of you didn’t recognize my visitation, Emmanuel, God was with you, among you, but you hated Me, you made My House a den of thieves, I am coming for you in the clouds. Your religious system is over, I will destroy this Temple, because you are clueless on how it points to Me. I will take My Ark of the Covenant to Heaven, then I will destroy the Temple. All your Levitical priest lineage records will be destroyed as well, no more temples and no more animal sacrifices, the system is over. Even the Romans, who ruled the known earth and were made up of all nations of the earth, will see me coming in the clouds to destroy you as they attack from the ground.
Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. Revelation 1:7
200 million are with Me from Heaven. You could add up every single soldier from all history and you won’t get 200,000,000. Example: right now the U.S. might have 2 million, Russia the same, China a little more than 2 million. We are coming from the East, because in Numbers 2, Judah camped on the East. Jesus Christ is the Lion of Judah. We are crossing the Euphrates on dry land, dry land refers to “waterless” places, the spiritual realm.
“When they become waterless, they are silent, When it is hot, they vanish from their place. Job 6:17
As for you also, because of the blood of My covenant with you, I have set your prisoners free from the waterless pit. Zechariah 9:11
(Notice, these are the Old Testament saints that were held captive in the Bosom until hearing the Gospel Message from Jesus Christ Himself, they came in the clouds with Jesus)
43 “(A)Now when the unclean spirit comes out of a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and does not find it. Matthew 12:43
24 “(A)When the unclean spirit comes out of [a]a person, it passes through waterless places seeking rest, and not finding any, it then says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ Luke 11:24
Sol, the spiritual realm is referred to as waterless places or crossing the Euphrates on dry land. Do you remember in 2 Kings 19 and in Isaiah 37 when the angel of the Lord struck 185,000 dead? Yes, the spiritual realm interacted with this physical realm. Or do you remember sodom and gomorrah? How God destroyed them from above? Jerusalem is even called sodom in Revelation.
And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Revelation 11:8
You and the experts are out of your mind if you honestly believe that God would not mention this horrific 70AD event.
Where is the Ark of the Covenant? Harrison Ford (from raiders of the lost ark) can’t find it, your experts can’t find it. Prior to God destroying the Temple in 70AD, He brought the Ark to Heaven. God tells us where it’s at:
And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. Revelation 11:19
Ezekiel’s Temple is in Heaven. The Old Testament saints are experiencing the Millennial Reign there as we speak. The First Resurrection already happened. You are very, very cult like in denying the First Resurrection. We see the First Resurrection in Ezekiel 37. You and your experts are out of your mind thinking that Ezekiel’s Temple will be built in this earth. You and the experts need to set your mind on things Above. Sol, we live maybe 85 years as humans, we live millions, billions, trillions of years in Eternity. Focus on Eternity, not some fictional glitter and gold 1,000 year earthly worldly disney land with a high five jesus.
Sol, remember not too many years ago, when there was a volcano in Europe, remember how it was seen for miles and miles and miles. Sol, remember how it severely disrupted aircraft traffic? Jesus Himself said that one of the disciples would not die until after the 70AD destruction occurred. John could very, very easily see the mass destruction of Jerusalem from Patmos.
27 For the (A)Son of Man (B)is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and (C)will then repay every person according to his [a]deeds. 28 “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the (D)Son of Man (E)coming in His kingdom.” Matthew 16:27, 28)
And Jesus was saying to them, “(A)Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God when it has come with power.” Mark 9:1
You see Sol, this is not the First Resurrection, and it is not the Second Resurrection. He came to destroy in 70AD, not rescue. The First Resurrection already happened. The Second Resurrection is future (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Peter 3)
Sol, don’t trust the experts. Put your faith in God’s Word. Don’t go with the majority, go with God. Happy studying Sol!!!
**SPECIAL POST** the point I am making is that the Book of Revelation was written pre 70AD, but the majority of today’s church says it was written in 95AD. This means that today’s church says that God’s Word, the Words of God Himself, which are written in the Book of Revelation, which they say was written in 95AD, did not mention the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem, which included the Temple. If the Book of Revelation is the Word of God, this monumental destruction in 70AD of Jerusalem and the Temple would of been mentioned by God with the 95AD writing. So my God is all knowing, the one that supposedly wrote Revelation in 95AD is not. Today’s church also denies the First Resurrection of Jesus Christ with the Hebrews 11 saints. Jesus spent 3 days and 3 nights preaching to them. We see everyone in Heaven right now in Hebrews 12, the Firstborn from the First Resurrection are already enrolled.
But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God, the Judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.
Hebrews 12:22-24
Today’s church says Jesus is going to be a future earthly king. He strictly taught that this was not His Kingdom, He said He was a Heavenly King. So this jesus, the earthly king jesus is different from the Heavenly King Jesus. I know what I said sounds crazy, but now people are starting to say the Book of Hebrews is all future, that it’s for the earthly millennial reign of their jesus. They are now saying that the Sermon on the Mount is all future millennial reign as well. So Mike Marks, I know I sound extreme, but where do you draw the line? Denying the First Resurrection puts the church in danger. How so? The next Resurrection is the Second Resurrection and could happen at any second, like a thief in the night, a complete surprise. Okay, not so with today’s church, we will have a 3 1/2 year or 7 year or 1,000 year warning. Take a look at david koresh. he was the leader of the branch davidians from Waco, Texas. he claimed that he was jesus. he claimed that this was the start of the millennial reign of himself, jesus. If the church, if the branch davidians would of realized that the First Resurrection had already occurred, they would of known that we meet the Lord in the air at the Second Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4 and 2 Peter 3). They could said, david koresh you are a liar! The Feet of Jesus Christ never touch the ground! We meet Him in the air. So Mike Marks, this is actually more serious than today’s church realizes. Having all the multiple views of Revelation is wrong and very dangerous.
Jesus in the Book of Revelation made mention of 1,000 years five times therefore, He meant for us to take the 1,000 as literal years and not to be viewed allegorically/metaphorically/poetically/symbolically.
“It’s not that important”... it’s very important according to Revelation 22:18-19 “I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.”
He was talking about in terms of salvation.
This man is the only one talking about this.WHY? We need to talk about it. He is absolutely Right.
Finally. Thank you for bringing up the Physical body. Awesome
He never brought 1 Cor 15:20-26 into the discussion.
"But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep. For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ’s at His coming, then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death."
Paul equates Jesus to Adam, and calls Him the second Adam. Adam was supposed to have dominion over the earth per God's design. He lost that at the fall. Jesus will reign for that 1,000 years bringing all things into His subjection. Then, after fulfilling God's demand, He will hand it over to the Father. - Premillennialism
No, he did not talk about "us" that are changed in a "twinkling of an eye"
But he did not talk about many OTHER passages that discuss these
SAME PEOPLE..
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Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
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The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
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And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
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In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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I have studied this topic for years now and finally, finally understand. Hallelujah!!! Revelation 1-19 is over. Armageddon is Revelation 19, Matthew 24 is as well, along with Zechariah 14. Going back to the Resurrection of Jesus, He also brought those from the heart of the earth aka Bosom of Abraham aka Paradise with Him to Heaven. Reference Matthew 27:52-54, Ezekiel 37, and the Firstborn mentioned in Hebrews 12:22-24 for proof of the First Resurrection already happening. He set the captives free from the Bosom, reference Luke 16 and Ephesians 4. So the Old Testament saints are already experiencing the Millennial Reign in Heaven with the Temple mentioned in the later parts of Ezekiel. The Ark of the Covenant is there in Heaven in that Temple right now. Reference Revelation 11:19. We here on earth are also experiencing the Millennial Reign aka Gospel Era aka Church Age, His Kingdom grows every time someone gets saved. This takes place in the heart. We are in Revelation 20, satan is locked up: remember before you found Jesus, you were locked up with satan, you roamed the earth, yet you were locked up. The Gospel Message made you free. Remember in Ephesians 6, our battle is not against flesh and blood…..but against the spiritual forces of wickedness…. The Second Resurrection could happen at any moment, reference 1 Corinthians 15 and 1 Thessalonians 4. Then this earth will burn as 2 Peter 3 says. Then we will have a New Heaven and New Earth with no Temple as mentioned in Revelation 21 and 22. Please visit my channel, Keith Elrod. I have a 20 video Revelation playlist on my channel as well. Happy studying!!! Hallelujah!!!
Here is the ABSOLUTE PROOF that we are NOT in the millennium at the present time and it didn't start right after Christ's crucifixion:
-- Let us start with Revelation 20:1-3 (ESV)"
"1. Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain.
2 And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
3. and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while."
-- Pay particular attention to the fact that scripture says regarding Satan, "so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended".
█ If the crucifixion of Jesus Christ sealed up Satan in the abyss, as preterits believe, you can confidently know that the Apostle Peter would, while writing under the inspiration of God, not contradict that.
-- These God-breathed scriptures which Peter wrote AFTER the crucifixion of Christ, after Christ's ascension to Heaven, after Pentecost would clearly be after Satan had been bound, if the millennium started at Christ's crucifixion.
-- So, after the Holy Spirit had come, the millennial teaching would have applied. In other words, if you believe the millennium is "allegory" then Peter wrote these words of 1st Peter 5:8-9 to believers in Christ, while he and us were in the millennium. Here is what Peter says to believers in Christ in 1st Peter 5:8-9,
"8 Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. 9. Resist him, firm in your faith, knowing that the same kinds of suffering are being experienced by your brotherhood throughout the world."
-- The above scripture clearly shows that Peter is saying that Satan is free, moving about, and still deceiving after the time preterits believe Christ's millennial Kingdom has started. Therefore, if we are in the millennium today, or were when Peter wrote that, then Peter is a liar, and the Bible cannot be trusted.
-- Now that you KNOW the Antichrist is a yet to be fulfilled prophecy, please watch the following video which reveals one of the most likely ways the Antichrist will emerge.
th-cam.com/video/ZLBO3r5ZZcc/w-d-xo.html
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
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The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And
these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal
incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people.
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And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
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In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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Great overview Tom. Very helpful and presented with pastoral wisdom. Thanks
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
God bless you for your explanations.
A- millennial is so clear and scriptural.
God bless you once more
I'd welcome caution to that statement simply because (as this video demonstrates) such "clarity" is actually not the case, hence the debate, regardless on which view one takes. Careful note here that I am not necessarily disagreeing with your viewpoint, but simply and humbly pointing out that the suggested clarity is questionable.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
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The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom".
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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3 years ago, but timeless. Very well done.
I don't think we should understand God's words to Abraham and David differently than they would have understood them -- otherwise, God deceived them. In the first case, Abraham was promised a literal future nation, and in the second case, David was told of a literal future king over that nation.. Both believed God meant what He said, and so should we.
Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And
these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal
incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people.
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
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www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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Glad to hear reasons, not just opinion. Good job.
Polycarp was a premillennialist. also, lookup "the Ignatian Forgeries" to understand what churchianity came to be, having had made a name for themselves, babylon the great.
All the things Satan is doing with the One World Religion and Government, there’s no way to look at this except through Historic Premillenniasm. John and Papias were Premillennialist, and we know John was filled with the Holy Spirit, and he wrote the book of John!
@@chapter404th Second Coming Visions in Revelation:
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and the greatest earthquake in history is found in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial.
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
He comes with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
The only way to properly interpret the book is through the principle of "Recapitulation".
th-cam.com/video/puk7HOeSYRI/w-d-xo.html
Nonsense!
-->Dispensational Premillennialism
Is fallen theology.
-->Historical Premillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Postmillennialism is fallen theology.
-->Amillennialism is fallen theology.
The workers of iniquity give you choices between one stumblingblock unto another, but all are apostate teachings.
That's the sign of a humble man, when you're convinced he's a pre-millenialist and he goes and admits he's a tentative a-millenialist.
I actually wish people would really stop dismissing the Postmillenial view! If you don't understand it say that! Don't just dismiss it! It seems Christians these day can only seem to take serious a view that is pessimistic. I understand and respect those of my Amillenial brothers that reject that pessimistic and over spiritualize view of Amillenialism that was presented here. These are my optimistic Amillenialist brethren! He says these eschatological positions don't matter but I would strongly disagree! The premillenial worldview is typically "the world is going to hell in a handbasket" and "don't polish brass on a sinking ship". This worldview is detrimental to Christ's Church. A lot of Amillenialist often agree with this worldview but couch it in "we're only pilgrims and aliens, the earth is not our home" so they don't seek to effect much change. Again, I'm very thankful for my Optimistic Amillenialist brothers that I don't think go far enough but much much further than these other views. They seek to obey and build christian culture, not only do they not bend the knee to Caesar but oppose his wickedness outright and live toward victory whether they believe it will truly happen or not. But the Postmillenialist believes purely in an eschatology of Victory that Christ has conquered Satan and we too, are more than conquerors in Christ and He is restoring what Adam lost. The gates of hell will not prevail and the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the water covers the sea! We believe His kingdom will come and God's will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven. We strive to be cities on the hill (as seen greatly in the Puritans) with A comprehensive gospel that doesn't only effect the heart of believers in the Church but in every area of life (marriage,childbearing, work, education, etc). I don't mean to strawman anyone's position so please forgive me if I did but this is how I see it. My point here isn't to even necessarily promote or defend Postmillenialism (though I will) but to state it is not a position to just be dismissed, and it really does matter! It is not an issue to divide over, I have good friends that are Amillenialist, fewer that are premillenialist, but there's some. And I love them dearly. But it matters! Our eschatology should not dictate our theology but it definitely colors it.... Again, sorry if anyone feels I misrepresented them but this is what I've seen personally.
Stephen Taylor it was the majority view until WW I when people discovered that maybe things aren’t getting better. WWII kinda sealed the deal but he is correct in that most people have jumped to either premillennialism or amill.
@@michaelborg5798 I understand your point, I even understand that it's not the majority view, TODAY, but it was the majority, at least here in the west, and it's becoming more and more excepted these days as well. So my point is, the way people just dismiss the position is short-sighted and does no one really seeking to understand eschatology a service.
Stephen Taylor I honestly haven’t seen much written on the topic or eschatology at for that matter. I know Michael Brown put out a book for it but the only ones really doing prophecy conferences are premillennialists. It’s a smaller field but an extremely touchy one which I think is why it isn’t debated much. Michael Vlach has put out a dispensational book which offers a fair critique of the major views
@@michaelborg5798 well, I think there's plenty written on it but there can be more, absolutely. The fact that it's touchy is the reason I think it should be debated more. Things are touchy for a reason. And yes, I see plenty of debates against the Premillenialist but I would like to see more debates between the Amillenialist and the Postmillenialist because while very similar the differences have great implications. Again, these are not reasons to cut fellowship, a Christian is not determined by his eschatology, but it is a very important subject with big implications
It is a FACT the early church expected His imminent return and
did NOT preach what today is called a postmillenial doctrine.
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Unfortunately NOBODY can offer an "informed opinion" on eschatology
unless/until they FIRST explain a basic and essential element of CONTEXT.
---------
The PEOPLE living in the Revelation Beast are the SAME PEOPLE living
during Daniel's Fourth Beast and the SAME PEOPLE living during the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" and the SAME PEOPLE living
during the reign of the "Little Horn" (commonly called the Anti-Christ)
and the SAME PEOPLE called the "ten virgins" in Matthew 25:1-13 and
the SAME PEOPLE living during Satan's "Little Season" and the SAME
PEOPLE called the "ten kings" in Daniel 2:44 who are living on earth
when the Lord Returns to establish the ETERNAL "Kingdom". And
these are the SAME PEOPLE who are "changed" in their eternal
incorruptible bodies in a "twinkling of an eye". All the same people.
--------------------
And we know this ABSOLUTELY because (in each case) they are the
PEOPLE living when the Lord Returns to establish the Eternal Kingdom
and the resurrection occurs and the LAST SAINTS are suddenly "changed"
into their incorruptible spiritual bodies "in the twinkling of an eye".
----------------------
In fact... without the CONTEXT provided above... there is no possible way
for anyone to offer an "informed opinion" on the subject. AT BEST they
can only offer some partial-truth because they did not HARMONIZE
all of the passages noted above about the SAME PEOPLE.
----------------------
www.5thKingdomofHeaven.com
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An additional explanation why John might have used the term that usually describes physical resurrection is that, in the vision he had, he must have seen dead people come to live somehow. There is no way to picture spiritual resurrection - since one's spirit is invisible - so the picture he was given resembled that of a physical resurrection.
To view it like that doesn't make sense at all. Continuing in the Rev. 20 text, the rest didn't live again for a thousand years (Rev. 20:5)?
So the rest of people (spiritually dead) don't spiritually live until the thousand years are finished?
Just read it, and believe what it actually says.
It's sad that people collude to change the original meaning of the inspired words used.
I'm shocked and saddened.
I gotta admit, dispensationalism was a lot of fun to believe in! Doesn't make it correct biblically. I mourn the loss of my dispensational beliefs 😪 I'm a-mil now.
Don't worry I was one also but now I'm also amillennial
Me too
Never...
Thanks, by the grace of God I could understand this video that I couldn't 5 or 4 months ago.
Good job.
God bless.
Huhm, its #postmil... 👍💪👊
#theonomy
#partialpreterist
#datpresup
#calvinist
#reformed
Anyone ever wonder why some people will say eschatology isn't that important, yet it's the thing that most people will say they want to hear about? Why is that?
Read the Bible for yourself and ask the holy spirit for understanding and revelation
There is a reason why God put teachers (Theologians), God has put men of God that spend their times studying his word so they can help us understand. You got the Bible translated into your language because of men like the one in this video.
@Paul Beduhn Are we talking about salvation here?
Of course believers are taught of the Holy Spirit. The Lord did not call His church to isolation, He called His church to unity and to build one another up, each with other gifts. Some have greater gifts in teaching for example. Scripture is the ultimate authority but to ignore the rest of the church, both your local congregation and in church history, is frankly foolish.
@Paul Beduhn
Without explaining what you mean to be in error, you're just quoting Bible verses apart from context and I'm at a loss as to what you're arguing.
@Paul Beduhn Yes, Bible believing Christians (of those of the different views) believe all these verses, myself included. I'm not exactly sure what you're proposing by referencing these select verses and capitalising certain words. Just to mention, I've heard the Jewish wedding analogy used by advocates of the pre-millenial view in the dispensational camp.
@Paul Beduhn
Believers go to be with the Lord when they die: Luke 23:43, Philippians 1:21-23.
This is generally what's known as "heaven".
Revelation 21 speaks of the new heavens and the new earth, following the destruction of the current heaven and earth (2 Peter 3:10). Believers will inhabit the new heaven and the new earth following the physical resurrection described in 1 Corinthians 15. (The new heavens and the new earth are sometimes described by believers as "heaven".)
Adherents to all millennium views believe these things.
Thank you so much for creating this video I am in a THEO 202 class and this has really cleared up a lot of my questions!
This is men doing exactly what the Bible says. "Do not be wise in your own eyes." This theology crap if phariseeism.
Gods word is God's word. It say 1000 years so it is a 1000 years. God says the gate is narrow. Meaning it will never get better until all evil is trampled upon.
The scripture says that we the judges will preach and be killed in these 1000 years. That we will be raised back up but the wicked will not. At the end of the 1000 years Heaven the New Jerusalem will decent from heaven and all righteous will be raised from the dead. Satan will be released and the actions for 7 years will try to come against God's city and obviously they will fail.
And if you are a Christian you are still part of the phariseeism. Read and seek God's word for what He said. There is not Christians in the Bible. Seek where that word came from. Messiah came to die for our sins and atone for us all.
@@RadioForYahweh, you did not approach this with sincerity of heart. There are strengths and weaknesses with each view of eschatology, and it is narrow minded not to acknowledge this.
@@Familyman39 Firstly that's an accusation, and the Bible says what it says.
Did you say Jesus did not approach others with a sincere heart when He called them out as vipers? Or chased them away with a whip? Or called them out as being children of Satan?
Facts are facts. I said nothing with malice but with all encouragement to follow God fully and not to lean one ones own understanding. Everything I said was Biblical correction and if that is not love, I ask you what is it?