I support Amy Wax. I was a professor and had to leave partly due to the Woke. Only then, it was called the politically correct. They were insufferable even 20 years ago when I was in Academia. She is absolutely right that this has been a long time in the making.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. I h8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech. PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep. A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate. Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human s3xual biology. Very bad.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. I h8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech. PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep. A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate. Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human s3xual biology. Very bad. Paglia is pretty good too.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. I h8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech. PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep. A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate. Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human s3xual biology. Very bad.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. I h8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech. PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep. A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate. Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human S****l biology. Very bad.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. It started back in the 80's. If I remember correctly. H8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech. PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep. A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate. Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human s++++l biology. Very bad for our society. Am not familiar with Ms. Wax. Glad she has guts. I think Paglia is pretty good too.
@smillabutryn7517 Yes, yes, and I have the right to refute them. 🙃 Seriously, though, I like that she is pushing the bounds of free speech by taking on sensitive topics that are generally hushed up in academia. But she does it in such a disingenuous, bigoted and edgy way that I can barely stand her.🤦🏼♀
I am a Canadian who came from Hong Kong. I treasure Canada's constitutional values and principles, including its ideals of freedom and liberty. These do derive from Western traditions, histories, and cultures, including the Judeo-Christian influences. I embrace these. Now, have Western cultures been all good and lily white? Of course, not. But neither has any other groups of cultures, including the one I was born into. I tend to seek, in my profession and life in general, the best practices, ideas, and values, regardless of where and from whom they come. In short, meritocracy. DEI just for DEI's sake, regardless of merit, is illogical and counter-productive, and not just in the narrow economic sense.
@@brndxt As a canuck in California, 😬, I see Canada giving up rights if free speech, using “hate speech” terms, and denying facts such as only male and female facts, and institutionally forcing compelled speech in LAW, as very dangerous in deed. We need more fighters to speak out in Canada🗣️
Unless I had been listening to Victor Davis Hanson on his podcast last night, I would have passed on this interview. Good grief! I have been living in the darkness of ignorance all this time, not knowing the magnificence of Prof. Amy Wax. VDH spoke so very highly of her. Wow, she is one in a zillion! It is a beautiful thing each time she says, “let me give you an example”-so rare and extremely valuable. Her situation is another glaring example of the upside down and backwards world, which the Marxist dems created and have been shoving down our throats. She gives me hope that it is possible to rescue, and save our beloved Republic! Thank you Prof. Hanson for your comments regarding Prof. Wax. Your podcast is reliably good, last night was one of your greats.
Well written comment 👍. I am a Canadian who came from Hong Kong. I have thus some experience of Marxist-Communist regimes. A simplified equation is: Wokes = Marxists, Communists = Totalitarians. A less simplified analysis: Because Marxism-Communism is illogical, compliance will need to be coerced. Broadly speaking, pointing a gun at the older people born before the regime (thus totalitarian) while brainwashing the young born after (thus producing wokes). Brains are encouraged to feel and obey, not to think and debate, let alone critically. Hence, dumbed down brains on a large scale. Marxists-Communists are hypocrites in character, assuming a normal IQ. Hence, they lie, cheat, and blame others as a routine. They skew historic facts. They obfuscate opinions. They cancel opposing views. Having many wokes makes the above tasks easier. Ultimately, the objective is power and control, and their rise to power depends on an unthinking critical mass of people, many of whom have fine-looking paper qualifications.
You should look out her first debate with Glenn Loury (c. 2010?), and then their subsequent 3(?) conversations on The Glenn Show. Amy is a force to be reckoned with, bless her heart.
Weird since the algorithm should've solved that, maybe ur not signed in on TH-cam, also do subscribe, click on all so u dont miss new episodes. Prof Wax is great go watch her interviews with Glenn loury too. Check this one also with this heading ( WWW: Wax, Weiss, Widdowson-this time it's personal ) what i love about this one it has counter arguments to the aboriginal ( first nations ) hustle happening in most Western countries.
Found out about Prof Amy about two months ago myself. She's opening my eyes. I occasionally email her to give support. Unfortunately, I see she gets a lot of positive emails. Next one I send I'm going to ask her if she wants me to quit. Might find out about her 2009 book she mentioned. Just a note... she is still contesting the treatment (?) from her university.
When I was a professor and a graduate student, I remember getting called a racist when I dared to say - "what about black racism." Yet I was at Penn for a while and I remember black local guys in West Philly screaming out of their car at passers by - "white mother..." And there were much worse things than this, yet everyone was afraid to speak the truth.
When my kids were at a fancy private girls' school in NYC, a black prep-for-prep student repeatedly called the other girls 'crackers' - a pejorative expressing contempt for whites - but was never called out for it. The administration handled the black scholarship (free private school education) students with kid gloves. These 'special students' were held to entirely different standards than the white & Asian kids......and kids observe this 'reverse discrimination' as well....not good for society in the long run.
Terrific interview from both the guest and host. I learned about the significance of the feminization of education and its effects upon our children, thus our culture. Truth telling, consequences for bad behavior and correction are necessary for the education of our children. I was born in 1955 in CA and received a rigorous education for which I’m exceedingly grateful. Thank you both for taking the time to address this important & foundational topic.
As a uk lecturer, every conversation with a studernt is recordrd (lecturecast lrctures.and seminars, zoom) because of this problem.. i NEVER do face to face in any context. Sad times .....
whoa, I haven't been a lecturer for a couple of years but it was never that bad, (latterly architecture at MMU)..... anyway you can give me a clue as to where that is please, subject?
Every time I MUST be w a female alone in a workplace, I video it. I tell them it is so I don't miss anything they say and they can have a copy. As a male, I am damned immediately a woman says anything. I learnt this from a false accusation by a woman. Fortunately, there were MANY witnesses, or I would have been gone. S ated the sheet put if ke such I was unaware. Be very, very careful of women in the workplace. They are toxic. Stay away from them.
I lived through the feminization of a fortune 100 company in America. By the time I left 8 years ago. From supervision to the CEO eight levels up was all women. The corporate culture was so radically changed by this transformation that classes were given to bring back constructive conflict and Wall Street's major brokerage houses that controlled most of the Company's stock requested and got the resignation of the CEO for presiding over a culture that did not hold employees accountable for performance excellence. As I was going through this cultural transformation and wondering what was going on. I was in a Master of Management program. I asked the Professor of my first class. Who was a woman, what I was experiencing. Without hesitation She said these were the same symptoms common in a female dominated school bureaucracy.
I've been threatened with doxing for asking how high rates of divorce, which leads to fatherless homes, which leads to more crimes is a result of "institutionalized racism?"
She's right about the bias narrative. Many conservatives accept it, but then are surprised by the consequences (if you accept that all inequality is due to bias, then the existence of any inequality proves that bias remains and the institution/society/organization is still in need of reform, allowing for a sort of permanent revolution against discrimination)
I watch him on the Glenn show from Australia. Far too often he appears ignorant of major issues. I've tolerated him because he insists onto talking to Glenn Loury, but there's more than a whiff of Don Lemon about him.
John McWorter is a token. I know that sounds racist, but he really is dense. Somebody held their nose when grading his college papers and whisked him through the system.
I remember reading about the introduction of women into courses at Oxford and Cambridge in the early 20th century. Many of the men's complaints revolved around how their presence was undermining robust intellectual discussion (i.e. the women were too sensitive) - at one point they even suggested limiting the numbers to below 25% so as to maintain the "masculine atmosphere". Due to personal experiences myself at university I basically think there is something to this. Men are more likely to have a robust discussion without taking things personally. Women are also pretty humourless when it comes to these sorts of environments/
@@michaels4255 I wouldn't say all of them but certainly they tend that way compared to men. Also their passive aggressive tendencies are very easily channelled through HR departments where people can be persecuted through the back door and under a cloud of relative secrecy. It is very dishonourable and runs against English norms of common decency and democratic accountability. In many cases people dont even know who their accuser is because of "safety concerns"
Was this observation a part of the reason for why there were historically separate mens and women's higher education institutions? Are there are independent studies that analyze the differences between co-educational and single-gender education institutions? A lot of unanswered questions that may not be answered.
@@edmundcharles5278I’m willing to bet that single sex schools are better though whether one could do a thorough investigation into it given the modern political context is questionable
Men have fragile male egos too. It's not a very rigorous discussion if you're just generalizing all women like that. Personally, I care about other people's feelings and don't want violence. That doesn't mean I don't welcome rigorous discussions on sensitive topics. In fact, I very much want to have intellectual discussions about sensitive issues that are often hushed up. I dislike gossip, backstabbing, and passive-aggressive bullying that some women engage in too. There are positive and negative aspects of both femininity and masculinity.
Ah, 1955! The last gasp of Western Civilisation (RIP). I was born in 1949 and I just about remember the 1950s and the early sixties. Many of our teachers resembled John Cleese as the Roman centurion in Life of Brian (th-cam.com/video/IIAdHEwiAy8/w-d-xo.html). Now THAT's what you call teaching!
The femisation bit in the title hooked me. The HR department in any large company now directs policy. Executive directors are clueless they are being subjected to Long housing, they still think "safety" refers to prevention of physical injuries and not circumscribing relationships between employees or what is considered acceptable conduct.
@@AndyJarman It seems like the majority of the right is blind to it, which is weird because to me it's the obvious main variable, and more coherent than talking about mind viruses. I think the right has a strong pro female bias so they aren't good opponents.
My (now former) neighbors libeled and defamed me with countless lies including a couple that paint me as racist. In the newspaper they said I said that black people have too many kids. They got the idea from a conversation in which they were falsely accusing me of something unspecified so they could be victims, and I responded on the premise that if we're playing oppression olympics, then I as the single childless woman in the neighborhood full of large families, am the "marginalized" one, the person everyone should be concerned about. To make my point I counted up the many large families in the near vicinity, and I pointed to a house and said "And the black family on the corner." This is where they got the idea to say I said black people have too many kids. They also said (lied) that "two weeks after the murder of George Floyd" I threatened to call police on their black children over improper recycling. I did say to the kids "That's not the right way to put cardboard out!" I did not threaten to call police. The man telling the lie was the only one who threatened to call police, and he not only threatened to call 911, he threatened to misrepresent my cutting cardboard boxes as threatening him with a knife. He said he was going to call 911 and tell them there's a woman here with a knife." I'm a 5-3" 110 lb woman, 48 at the time, and this man was about 2-3 times my size.
Great guest. People need to appreciate the importance of enlightenment values and how the modern world was created, because progress doesn't just happen and it can go backwards. It's happened in the past and a lot of people feel that it's happening again now.
It seems that in this age people don't handle nuance very well, and are very anxious to slap on a label, put you in a group, demonize you and cancel you.
Sounds like most of her problem is dealing with the unreliable allegations of people who aren't smart enough to be students in her school. Persons with a sub-100 IQ are never going to be useful contributors to the legal profession except as janitorial staff. There was a time when normal people recognized this as a plain fact, and I remember the fading echoes of it from my childhood in the early 1970's. But now? The zeitgeist is clearly off it's rocker. The times are bat-shit insane, with the social agenda of our entire civilization self-destructively centered on the dull-witted, the deranged and the unreasonable. We are following Mad Gods into the abyss, and anyone who objects is an apostate.
Amy is arguably the most inspirational figure I've come across in all my years. She's truly a beacon of light...that is unfortunately being swallowed up by the black hole of radical progressivism.
Amy Wax, I am so sorry that you and your values are such a small minority in the world of academia today. I feel that a generation of young have had the misfortune to have missed a valuable education and a realistic introduction to life. I pray one day the west will find a way back to value based education. Thank you for fighting the fight and putting up with the woke wave trying to shut you down.
If someone is just wrong, you should be able to say so. In that way society and learning evolve. This is about rolling back the "Enlightenment" for the sake of your kids be truthful.
I don't know about all of her views, but "go back to 1955" in public education is absolutely true. I too was educated in upstate NY public school, and it was a superb education. Chock-full of memorized content, but content which we also put into context and thought about. In EIGHTH GRADE, the history teacher made us check out one alternate textbook a week from his own collection and compare how it treated the same issues we were reading in our common textbook. And we were writing short stories in French. And memorizing poetry, diagramming sentences, and doing the classical orchestral repertory in orchestra. That's the level of humanities education that has been lost and it's an absolute scandal.
Amy Wax, wonderfully brilliant! ‘ Go back to 1955’ to fix the K thru 12 school system! I totally agree and to hear a public figure say it out loud is SO refreshing! I’ve been following her since her piece about bourgeois culture in the Inquirer came out back in the early 2000s. Love her, and what is being done to her is criminal. God bless you, Amy.
As a video editor, I can tell you that editing is powerful. I can make a 10-minute speech seem to prove anything you want. And now with AI tools, that power to deceive is virtually infinite. Regular people are fooled by this. This is the power corporate media companies have. And they've been using it for the past 8 years non-stop. They just had a reckoning.
Amy makes a profound statement at 18:52 when she talks about students, study skills, reading, etc. When I was in college--more than 40 years ago--you were considered an adult. Today, there are so many conveniences around, many "thirty somethings" don't really even have a clue how to begin being adults. Discipline was never imposed on them such that they themselves are now self-disciplined--and they are lost. Bravo to you Professor Wax! Keep up the good work.
Penn alumni here. Penn and Professors shall speak their minds as they see fit. I was probably an Hispanic Affirmitive Action entrant. AND I am proud of that fact!!! Penn is my other Mother. ALIA MATER!
Fix the feminist academic system? No problem. Get rid of the 'assessment' system for matriculation, and return to the plain old two weeks of examinations, to be marked by anonymous examiners in a state based centralised organisation. No playing favourites with politics to get into uni'. Get into uni' entirely on merit, and nothing else.
Stand strong Professor Wax. You are completely right in your views as aired here. If you are successfully eliminated from your position as an educator then our country is certainly doomed. The Woke abyss will swallow our "democratic republic" and we will become another failed socialist society.
I was a TA in Electrical Engineering in the early 80s. I taught a class where the students were supposed to know circuit analysis. There was a female minority student that could not do simple circuit analysis. I sat down with her and tried and tried to teach her basic circuit analysis. She just blinked at me. I could not do it. I tried all sorts of ways to explain and demonstrate and finally had to give up. It was soul shaking and really affected my view about human potential. Up until that point I thought that everyone could do these things. That it was simply a matter of proper teaching.
Amy Wax can be blunt, confrontational and at times a little insensitive. - BUT SHE IS ALMOST NEVER WRONG!! I have listened to her on many occasions, and support entirely her “back to basics” perspective. She is of course doomed to lose, ultimately, in this brittle cultural environment - but, damn, she is putting up one hell of a fight. I am 100% WITH Glenn Loury on this particular issue, and - for once - wholly at odds with John McWhorter - who seems to be (unusually) rather caving to woke outrage on this one.
But is it even possible to actually tell the truth (when people don't like what the truth is) without being perceived as "blunt, confrontational, and...insensitive?" I don't hesitate to say that the answer is NO. Sensitivity should have no place in the classroom or in politics. People should either train themselves not to be easily offended by facts and ideas (I'm not talking about personal criticism here, just information and deductions based on information), or they should stay out of higher ed and policy debates.
@11:30 Hey Wax, Trump didn’t say that either. Even while you decry others for damning you with misquotes, you feel completely free to do exactly the same to a political candidate you don’t like. Do you see the problem here?? [If not, you could assign it to yourself as a homework problem.]
As an Irish Catholic with a natural antipathy for Protestants In general and for what we like to call WASPs especially, it is clear to me that those accusations against you are without foundation. In fact it sounds as if you are being discriminated against because of your race and your ethnicity. I respect your stand (and not just because I will be the next to be brought down if I raise my head above the parapet). Thank you for standing up for decency and truth. When I think about it, Jefferson and Hamilton and Franklin and all those others, for all their faults fought against the English (I love that) and set up a new kind of state which served as a lamp of liberty for us all. I love Theobold Wolfe Tone and Robert Emmet too, but you probably haven’t heard of them. I couldn’t agree with you more about sex education and the rights of the family coming before the rights of the State. Back in the 90s people talked about reverse snobbery; I think we’re talking about reverse racism here.
You should have begun this interview to spell out in brief detail what Ms. Wax said that was contraversial, so the listener has some some frame of reference.
Thank you for an enlightening (in all senses) interview. Prof Wax reminded me of a fine professor of moral philosophy in the University of Edinburgh in the late 1960s.
I love this lady. I really recommend two other recent podcasts she did, one on the Coffee and a Mike podcast and another with Louise Perry on Maiden Mother Matriarch. I have to say, I am so lucky that I attended schools in the US in the 90s that sound exactly like the 1950s education Wax describes. We memorised all 50 state capitals. In French class we memorised the name and capital of every francophone country. I was reciting William Blake aged 9, Shakespeare aged 12, and reading articles from The Economist for my high school history class. I daresay it's probably not like that today...
The coddling of students is only part of the problem. The rest is there is no downside for making accusations against professors, and the rewards (either emotionally, socially, or with grades) are high. The final key is there is no defense. If someone calls you some form of bigot there is nothing you can do, especially in a world where facts and reality are all considered some kind of bigotry.
I wrote an essay in college and the professor didn't even grade it . He simply said, rewrite it. I was upset but I agreed with him and rewrote it. I got an A. It was a teachable moment
TLDR: Great discussion. I'm a software developer in my mid to late 50s and also happens to be black. I debated rather or not to mention the fact that I'm black but I figured it allows me to add some context in the same way mentioning my age and occupation does add some context to my comment. For example bringing up that I'm a software developer is my 'subtle' way to suggest that I'm capable of logical thinking and most likely have some basic math education that include things like distributions, basic calculus, calculating normals etc... The fact that I'm black is probably not that helpful to the argument because it just turns out being the opinion of one dude and not even someone that could be considered a typical black person at that! I will say that nothing that was said by Amy was offensive to me and pretty much agree with all of it! (not surprising to people that know me well and know that I like Thomas Sowell). Another thing that makes me an atypical black dude is that I have never been discriminated at work... close to 40yrs of various jobs. Saying this ensure that my views on the subject would never be part of any mainstream programming.
She is a marvellous woman. Without people like her, the grit in the millstone, then civilisation will die however much it may pride itself on its achievements.
She said "Perhaps the most important reason that the cultural case for limited immigration remains underexplored has to do with that bête noire - race. Let us be candid. Europe and the First World, to which the United States belongs, remain mostly white for now; and the Third World, although mixed, contains a lot of non-white people. Embracing cultural distance, cultural distance nationalism, means, in effect, taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer non-whites. Well, that is the result anyway. So even if our immigration philosophy is grounded firmly in cultural concerns, doesn’t rely on race at all, and no matter how many times we repeat the mantra that correlation is not causation, these racial dimensions are enough to spook conservatives."
I don't agree with everything Wax says (though I do with most of it), but I will ALWAYS respect her right to say these things. The great myth of 'free speech' is that in today's culture, it is NOT free at all in many forums, especially academia, most sadly. I was thoroughly grateful for this interview.
"Whenever an institution becomes ineffective or irreverent to the benefit of an individual, then eventually individuals will seek out alternate, more productive venues in which to exploit their talents and capabilities. Higher education requires an independent, self-analysis that will reform the basis of the institution."
John McWhorter plays both sides. He's afraid of losing the woke side which has supported him in academics for so long, and he certainly never wishes to be suspended by taking a risk on saying anything that the woke/cancel culture might not be pleased with.
This lady is one of the most forthright academics of our time. She says the simple truth, and that is her only crime.
@@FergusHodgson according to you maybe, she has her truth but not Truth with capital T.
she forgott she is saying about first amendment again and again that is classical left idea too
I support Amy Wax. I was a professor and had to leave partly due to the Woke. Only then, it was called the politically correct. They were insufferable even 20 years ago when I was in Academia. She is absolutely right that this has been a long time in the making.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. I h8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech.
PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep.
A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate.
Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human s3xual biology.
Very bad.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. I h8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech.
PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep.
A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate.
Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human s3xual biology.
Very bad.
Paglia is pretty good too.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. I h8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech.
PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep.
A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate.
Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human s3xual biology.
Very bad.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. I h8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech.
PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep.
A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate.
Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human S****l biology.
Very bad.
Oh, I remember when the PC stuff started kicking up. It started back in the 80's. If I remember correctly. H8ted it. Guess I am basically a "lib", and support free speech.
PC is just bs, and totalitarian creep.
A lot of lib people are weak, and allowed the bs to propagate.
Now, it's so insane they can't even tell the truth about human s++++l biology.
Very bad for our society.
Am not familiar with Ms. Wax. Glad she has guts.
I think Paglia is pretty good too.
I like this lady. She is very correct in her opinions.
Not really.
You must mean she's very *in*correct in her opinions. 🤭😂
@@babyamyxo-o6c she has right to her opinion, so do i
@smillabutryn7517 Yes, yes, and I have the right to refute them. 🙃
Seriously, though, I like that she is pushing the bounds of free speech by taking on sensitive topics that are generally hushed up in academia. But she does it in such a disingenuous, bigoted and edgy way that I can barely stand her.🤦🏼♀
This lady is just what we all used to see as a normal person.
You are right. Not that long ago racists and bigots use to be well represented in all aspects of American society. Thankfully, we now shun them.
Except smarter, more eloquent, and knowledgeable.
Amy Wax is a 21st century free speech champion.
@@johnbrown4568 Indeed! How did you get that search link in your comment? I’d like to start using that feature. Thank you *very* much in advance.
@@JeffTheGent ??
under the disguise of a neo-nazi.
I am a Canadian who came from Hong Kong. I treasure Canada's constitutional values and principles, including its ideals of freedom and liberty. These do derive from Western traditions, histories, and cultures, including the Judeo-Christian influences. I embrace these.
Now, have Western cultures been all good and lily white? Of course, not. But neither has any other groups of cultures, including the one I was born into.
I tend to seek, in my profession and life in general, the best practices, ideas, and values, regardless of where and from whom they come. In short, meritocracy.
DEI just for DEI's sake, regardless of merit, is illogical and counter-productive, and not just in the narrow economic sense.
@@brndxt
As a canuck in California, 😬, I see Canada giving up rights if free speech, using “hate speech” terms, and denying facts such as only male and female facts, and institutionally forcing compelled speech in LAW, as very dangerous in deed. We need more fighters to speak out in Canada🗣️
Amy, please do not resign. Do not make them happy.
Unless I had been listening to Victor Davis Hanson on his podcast last night, I would have passed on this interview. Good grief! I have been living in the darkness of ignorance all this time, not knowing the magnificence of Prof. Amy Wax. VDH spoke so very highly of her. Wow, she is one in a zillion! It is a beautiful thing each time she says, “let me give you an example”-so rare and extremely valuable. Her situation is another glaring example of the upside down and backwards world, which the Marxist dems created and have been shoving down our throats. She gives me hope that it is possible to rescue, and save our beloved Republic! Thank you Prof. Hanson for your comments regarding Prof. Wax. Your podcast is reliably good, last night was one of your greats.
Here because of Victor David Hanson too. 🤝
Well written comment 👍.
I am a Canadian who came from Hong Kong. I have thus some experience of Marxist-Communist regimes.
A simplified equation is: Wokes = Marxists, Communists = Totalitarians.
A less simplified analysis: Because Marxism-Communism is illogical, compliance will need to be coerced. Broadly speaking, pointing a gun at the older people born before the regime (thus totalitarian) while brainwashing the young born after (thus producing wokes).
Brains are encouraged to feel and obey, not to think and debate, let alone critically. Hence, dumbed down brains on a large scale.
Marxists-Communists are hypocrites in character, assuming a normal IQ. Hence, they lie, cheat, and blame others as a routine. They skew historic facts. They obfuscate opinions. They cancel opposing views. Having many wokes makes the above tasks easier.
Ultimately, the objective is power and control, and their rise to power depends on an unthinking critical mass of people, many of whom have fine-looking paper qualifications.
You should look out her first debate with Glenn Loury (c. 2010?), and then their subsequent 3(?) conversations on The Glenn Show.
Amy is a force to be reckoned with, bless her heart.
Weird since the algorithm should've solved that, maybe ur not signed in on TH-cam, also do subscribe, click on all so u dont miss new episodes. Prof Wax is great go watch her interviews with Glenn loury too. Check this one also with this heading ( WWW: Wax, Weiss, Widdowson-this time it's personal ) what i love about this one it has counter arguments to the aboriginal ( first nations ) hustle happening in most Western countries.
Found out about Prof Amy about two months ago myself. She's opening my eyes. I occasionally email her to give support. Unfortunately, I see she gets a lot of positive emails. Next one I send I'm going to ask her if she wants me to quit. Might find out about her 2009 book she mentioned.
Just a note... she is still contesting the treatment (?) from her university.
When I was a professor and a graduate student, I remember getting called a racist when I dared to say - "what about black racism." Yet I was at Penn for a while and I remember black local guys in West Philly screaming out of their car at passers by - "white mother..." And there were much worse things than this, yet everyone was afraid to speak the truth.
When my kids were at a fancy private girls' school in NYC, a black prep-for-prep student repeatedly called the other girls 'crackers' - a pejorative expressing contempt for whites - but was never called out for it. The administration handled the black scholarship (free private school education) students with kid gloves. These 'special students' were held to entirely different standards than the white & Asian kids......and kids observe this 'reverse discrimination' as well....not good for society in the long run.
God bless Amy Wax……..thank you Spectator .
Seconded!
What a brilliant articulate and gracious lady. It’s amazing how composed she is in the face of such vitriolic attacks. This is true bravery.
Terrific interview from both the guest and host. I learned about the significance of the feminization of education and its effects upon our children, thus our culture. Truth telling, consequences for bad behavior and correction are necessary for the education of our children. I was born in 1955 in CA and received a rigorous education for which I’m exceedingly grateful. Thank you both for taking the time to address this important & foundational topic.
This lady is speaking truth.
She’s a hero for speaking the truth.
As a uk lecturer, every conversation with a studernt is recordrd (lecturecast lrctures.and seminars, zoom) because of this problem.. i NEVER do face to face in any context. Sad times .....
It is sad. You cannot even make a joke without someone alleging a hate crime.
whoa, I haven't been a lecturer for a couple of years but it was never that bad, (latterly architecture at MMU)..... anyway you can give me a clue as to where that is please, subject?
Every time I MUST be w a female alone in a workplace, I video it. I tell them it is so I don't miss anything they say and they can have a copy. As a male, I am damned immediately a woman says anything.
I learnt this from a false accusation by a woman. Fortunately, there were MANY witnesses, or I would have been gone. S ated the sheet put if ke such I was unaware.
Be very, very careful of women in the workplace. They are toxic. Stay away from them.
I lived through the feminization of a fortune 100 company in America. By the time I left 8 years ago. From supervision to the CEO eight levels up was all women. The corporate culture was so radically changed by this transformation that classes were given to bring back constructive conflict and Wall Street's major brokerage houses that controlled most of the Company's stock requested and got the resignation of the CEO for presiding over a culture that did not hold employees accountable for performance excellence. As I was going through this cultural transformation and wondering what was going on. I was in a Master of Management program. I asked the Professor of my first class. Who was a woman, what I was experiencing. Without hesitation She said these were the same symptoms common in a female dominated school bureaucracy.
I've been threatened with doxing for asking how high rates of divorce, which leads to fatherless homes, which leads to more crimes is a result of "institutionalized racism?"
They're never married in the first place.
@@TheRisky9 Stop asking questions, biggot.
They weren't ever married most of the time
That's a bit racist to assume they marry just to breakup. They don't marry in the first place. 🙃
She reminds me of that aunt at Thanksgiving who has no filter but all the data.
Pretty much lol.
And also undeniable logic.
But George - she's your Auntie. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
yep and "no filter' gets you fired from many jobs
I admire her courage.
What Professor Amy Wax says about the power of the "heckler's veto" in academia is absolutely the truth.
I'm so concerned for black and brown bodies like yourself. Amy Wax wouldn't think twice before standing on your neck to exercise her “heckler's veto.”
She's right about the bias narrative. Many conservatives accept it, but then are surprised by the consequences (if you accept that all inequality is due to bias, then the existence of any inequality proves that bias remains and the institution/society/organization is still in need of reform, allowing for a sort of permanent revolution against discrimination)
I am disappointed with John McWorter.
I watch him on the Glenn show from Australia. Far too often he appears ignorant of major issues. I've tolerated him because he insists onto talking to Glenn Loury, but there's more than a whiff of Don Lemon about him.
@@AndyJarman Isn’t Glenn great? BTW, Did you see the rant that Glenn went on when talking about affirmative action? He yelled, “They stole my virtue!”
Yes!
John McWorter is a token. I know that sounds racist, but he really is dense. Somebody held their nose when grading his college papers and whisked him through the system.
John mcWhorter sad recently on one of his podcast that Robert Kennedy Junior was an asshole when he dropped out of the race and supported Trump.
Great guest! she's pure gold!
I remember reading about the introduction of women into courses at Oxford and Cambridge in the early 20th century. Many of the men's complaints revolved around how their presence was undermining robust intellectual discussion (i.e. the women were too sensitive) - at one point they even suggested limiting the numbers to below 25% so as to maintain the "masculine atmosphere". Due to personal experiences myself at university I basically think there is something to this. Men are more likely to have a robust discussion without taking things personally. Women are also pretty humourless when it comes to these sorts of environments/
100%, most women can't tolerate disagreement without becoming emotional, often to the point of hysteria.
@@michaels4255 I wouldn't say all of them but certainly they tend that way compared to men. Also their passive aggressive tendencies are very easily channelled through HR departments where people can be persecuted through the back door and under a cloud of relative secrecy. It is very dishonourable and runs against English norms of common decency and democratic accountability. In many cases people dont even know who their accuser is because of "safety concerns"
Was this observation a part of the reason for why there were historically separate mens and women's higher education institutions? Are there are independent studies that analyze the differences between co-educational and single-gender education institutions? A lot of unanswered questions that may not be answered.
@@edmundcharles5278I’m willing to bet that single sex schools are better though whether one could do a thorough investigation into it given the modern political context is questionable
Men have fragile male egos too. It's not a very rigorous discussion if you're just generalizing all women like that. Personally, I care about other people's feelings and don't want violence. That doesn't mean I don't welcome rigorous discussions on sensitive topics. In fact, I very much want to have intellectual discussions about sensitive issues that are often hushed up. I dislike gossip, backstabbing, and passive-aggressive bullying that some women engage in too. There are positive and negative aspects of both femininity and masculinity.
GOSH, she's a joy to listen to! A real breath of stale 1950's air!
I LOVE HER!
Ah, 1955! The last gasp of Western Civilisation (RIP). I was born in 1949 and I just about remember the 1950s and the early sixties. Many of our teachers resembled John Cleese as the Roman centurion in Life of Brian (th-cam.com/video/IIAdHEwiAy8/w-d-xo.html). Now THAT's what you call teaching!
Yes! Agree!
@@DieFlabbergast Did having your ear twisted help you learn Latin grammar?
The femisation bit in the title hooked me. The HR department in any large company now directs policy. Executive directors are clueless they are being subjected to Long housing, they still think "safety" refers to prevention of physical injuries and not circumscribing relationships between employees or what is considered acceptable conduct.
@@AndyJarman It seems like the majority of the right is blind to it, which is weird because to me it's the obvious main variable, and more coherent than talking about mind viruses. I think the right has a strong pro female bias so they aren't good opponents.
Wonderful woman.
My (now former) neighbors libeled and defamed me with countless lies including a couple that paint me as racist. In the newspaper they said I said that black people have too many kids. They got the idea from a conversation in which they were falsely accusing me of something unspecified so they could be victims, and I responded on the premise that if we're playing oppression olympics, then I as the single childless woman in the neighborhood full of large families, am the "marginalized" one, the person everyone should be concerned about. To make my point I counted up the many large families in the near vicinity, and I pointed to a house and said "And the black family on the corner." This is where they got the idea to say I said black people have too many kids. They also said (lied) that "two weeks after the murder of George Floyd" I threatened to call police on their black children over improper recycling. I did say to the kids "That's not the right way to put cardboard out!" I did not threaten to call police. The man telling the lie was the only one who threatened to call police, and he not only threatened to call 911, he threatened to misrepresent my cutting cardboard boxes as threatening him with a knife. He said he was going to call 911 and tell them there's a woman here with a knife." I'm a 5-3" 110 lb woman, 48 at the time, and this man was about 2-3 times my size.
Appreciate your stance Professor. All the best.
Critical race theory and other derived ideas, are from lawyers! So it is good that Amy wax a lawyer is pushing back!
Profoundly important for academia to listen.
you should be able to speak one's mind from a long career of Academic performance. It will be bad if they win for the west.
I keep on finding myself nodding my head in agreement. The world needs more people like Amy Wax.
Great guest. People need to appreciate the importance of enlightenment values and how the modern world was created, because progress doesn't just happen and it can go backwards. It's happened in the past and a lot of people feel that it's happening again now.
More power to you, Dr. Wax!
Great stuff from Prof Wax; articulate, intelligent & her arguments were presented with conviction and without apology. Bravo!
It seems that in this age people don't handle nuance very well, and are very anxious to slap on a label, put you in a group, demonize you and cancel you.
Sesame Street generation, should have watched Mr Roger's instead.
A brilliant person and I feel so bad about how badly she has been treated these past years.
A cousin of mine who is a college prof once told me the 19 year old today is like the 13 year old 20 years ago.
This lady would be too deplorable even for the Lotus Eaters podcast. She's great!
Sounds like most of her problem is dealing with the unreliable allegations of people who aren't smart enough to be students in her school. Persons with a sub-100 IQ are never going to be useful contributors to the legal profession except as janitorial staff. There was a time when normal people recognized this as a plain fact, and I remember the fading echoes of it from my childhood in the early 1970's. But now? The zeitgeist is clearly off it's rocker. The times are bat-shit insane, with the social agenda of our entire civilization self-destructively centered on the dull-witted, the deranged and the unreasonable. We are following Mad Gods into the abyss, and anyone who objects is an apostate.
What a breath of fresh air it is to hear someone speak their mind with no shame or restriction
Amy is arguably the most inspirational figure I've come across in all my years. She's truly a beacon of light...that is unfortunately being swallowed up by the black hole of radical progressivism.
This is fantastic!! Brilliant guest!!
Amy Wax, I am so sorry that you and your values are such a small minority in the world of academia today. I feel that a generation of young have had the misfortune to have missed a valuable education and a realistic introduction to life. I pray one day the west will find a way back to value based education. Thank you for fighting the fight and putting up with the woke wave trying to shut you down.
If someone is just wrong, you should be able to say so. In that way society and learning evolve. This is about rolling back the "Enlightenment" for the sake of your kids be truthful.
this is bordering on Chinese "truth courts"
I don't know about all of her views, but "go back to 1955" in public education is absolutely true. I too was educated in upstate NY public school, and it was a superb education. Chock-full of memorized content, but content which we also put into context and thought about. In EIGHTH GRADE, the history teacher made us check out one alternate textbook a week from his own collection and compare how it treated the same issues we were reading in our common textbook. And we were writing short stories in French. And memorizing poetry, diagramming sentences, and doing the classical orchestral repertory in orchestra. That's the level of humanities education that has been lost and it's an absolute scandal.
We need freedom of expression. Thank you Amy.
Never got the explanation on Jared Taylor.
Amy Wax, wonderfully brilliant! ‘ Go back to 1955’ to fix the K thru 12 school system! I totally agree and to hear a public figure say it out loud is SO refreshing! I’ve been following her since her piece about bourgeois culture in the Inquirer came out back in the early 2000s. Love her, and what is being done to her is criminal. God bless you, Amy.
Thank you Prof Wax....for standing on truth!
" Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?" Galatians 4:16
The statement about truth and McWhorter's article ... or should I say The NYT's article ... is damning.
As a video editor, I can tell you that editing is powerful. I can make a 10-minute speech seem to prove anything you want. And now with AI tools, that power to deceive is virtually infinite. Regular people are fooled by this. This is the power corporate media companies have. And they've been using it for the past 8 years non-stop. They just had a reckoning.
I think I need to watch this again and take notes.
Amy makes a profound statement at 18:52 when she talks about students, study skills, reading, etc. When I was in college--more than 40 years ago--you were considered an adult. Today, there are so many conveniences around, many "thirty somethings" don't really even have a clue how to begin being adults. Discipline was never imposed on them such that they themselves are now self-disciplined--and they are lost. Bravo to you Professor Wax! Keep up the good work.
She is a hero. She got smeared and lied about and it's disgusting
Professor Wax is a champion òf free speech.
Penn alumni here. Penn and Professors shall speak their minds as they see fit. I was probably an Hispanic Affirmitive Action entrant. AND I am proud of that fact!!! Penn is my other Mother. ALIA MATER!
Fix the feminist academic system? No problem. Get rid of the 'assessment' system for matriculation, and return to the plain old two weeks of examinations, to be marked by anonymous examiners in a state based centralised organisation. No playing favourites with politics to get into uni'. Get into uni' entirely on merit, and nothing else.
Stand strong Professor Wax. You are completely right in your views as aired here. If you are successfully eliminated from your position as an educator then our country is certainly doomed. The Woke abyss will swallow our "democratic republic" and we will become another failed socialist society.
I was a TA in Electrical Engineering in the early 80s. I taught a class where the students were supposed to know circuit analysis. There was a female minority student that could not do simple circuit analysis. I sat down with her and tried and tried to teach her basic circuit analysis. She just blinked at me. I could not do it. I tried all sorts of ways to explain and demonstrate and finally had to give up. It was soul shaking and really affected my view about human potential. Up until that point I thought that everyone could do these things. That it was simply a matter of proper teaching.
Clarity of mind strikes fear in an academic's heart.
🌷🌹💐Amy Wax, your honesty, intelligence and steadfastness is heartening. These strange times have been very difficult.💐🌹🌷
Amy Wax is brilliant! And, correct! I hope she sues the pants off of UoP!
really glad i watched this, my thoughts all encompassed here. Uk just the same. 4th turning just around the corner??
Can't explain it, but I've fallen in love with Amy!
Excellent. Really enjoyed that. Thanks
This woman should be cherished and protected for her fight to preserve the original American culture ...
Thankyou guys, great conversation
Loyal Opposition - a principle we all need ro adhere to.
Amy Wax can be blunt, confrontational and at times a little insensitive.
- BUT SHE IS ALMOST NEVER WRONG!!
I have listened to her on many occasions, and support entirely her “back to basics” perspective.
She is of course doomed to lose, ultimately, in this brittle cultural environment - but, damn, she is putting up one hell of a fight.
I am 100% WITH Glenn Loury on this particular issue, and - for once - wholly at odds with John McWhorter - who seems to be (unusually) rather caving to woke outrage on this one.
But is it even possible to actually tell the truth (when people don't like what the truth is) without being perceived as "blunt, confrontational, and...insensitive?" I don't hesitate to say that the answer is NO. Sensitivity should have no place in the classroom or in politics. People should either train themselves not to be easily offended by facts and ideas (I'm not talking about personal criticism here, just information and deductions based on information), or they should stay out of higher ed and policy debates.
@@michaels4255 I agree 100%.
And therefore admire Amy enormously.
@@mikegray8776 Yes, she is exceptional, a real gem.
Dr. Wax: never heard of her, and now I find her views in lock step with mine. The Party of Shop lifting. How honestly true the statement is.
This woman is a champion. She is right in the lion's den and never backs down.
@11:30 Hey Wax, Trump didn’t say that either. Even while you decry others for damning you with misquotes, you feel completely free to do exactly the same to a political candidate you don’t like. Do you see the problem here?? [If not, you could assign it to yourself as a homework problem.]
Conservatives SHOULD embrace the Enlightenment and should embrace reason as the way to understand life!!!
As an Irish Catholic with a natural antipathy for Protestants In general and for what we like to call WASPs especially, it is clear to me that those accusations against you are without foundation. In fact it sounds as if you are being discriminated against because of your race and your ethnicity. I respect your stand (and not just because I will be the next to be brought down if I raise my head above the parapet). Thank you for standing up for decency and truth. When I think about it, Jefferson and Hamilton and Franklin and all those others, for all their faults fought against the English (I love that) and set up a new kind of state which served as a lamp of liberty for us all. I love Theobold Wolfe Tone and Robert Emmet too, but you probably haven’t heard of them. I couldn’t agree with you more about sex education and the rights of the family coming before the rights of the State. Back in the 90s people talked about reverse snobbery; I think we’re talking about reverse racism here.
so nice to hear an honest professor ever, though i disagree with a few points
Fantastic piece Freddy, well done
Amy Wax doesn't need UPenn. UPenn needs Amy Wax. If all good people walked away from these awful institution, they would become irrelevant.
You should have begun this interview to spell out in brief detail what Ms. Wax said that was contraversial, so the listener has some some frame of reference.
Thank you for an enlightening (in all senses) interview. Prof Wax reminded me of a fine professor of moral philosophy in the University of Edinburgh in the late 1960s.
I love this lady. I really recommend two other recent podcasts she did, one on the Coffee and a Mike podcast and another with Louise Perry on Maiden Mother Matriarch.
I have to say, I am so lucky that I attended schools in the US in the 90s that sound exactly like the 1950s education Wax describes. We memorised all 50 state capitals. In French class we memorised the name and capital of every francophone country. I was reciting William Blake aged 9, Shakespeare aged 12, and reading articles from The Economist for my high school history class. I daresay it's probably not like that today...
A bunch of 20 year olds intimidated by Wax is what it sounds like.
Prof Wax should join the Peterson academy.
This lady is completely correct. UP is wrong if they censor her.
Obviously this a very smart women. I loved listening to her and she is very relatable.
The coddling of students is only part of the problem. The rest is there is no downside for making accusations against professors, and the rewards (either emotionally, socially, or with grades) are high. The final key is there is no defense. If someone calls you some form of bigot there is nothing you can do, especially in a world where facts and reality are all considered some kind of bigotry.
I wrote an essay in college and the professor didn't even grade it . He simply said, rewrite it. I was upset but I agreed with him and rewrote it. I got an A. It was a teachable moment
TLDR: Great discussion.
I'm a software developer in my mid to late 50s and also happens to be black. I debated rather or not to mention the fact that I'm black but I figured it allows me to add some context in the same way mentioning my age and occupation does add some context to my comment. For example bringing up that I'm a software developer is my 'subtle' way to suggest that I'm capable of logical thinking and most likely have some basic math education that include things like distributions, basic calculus, calculating normals etc... The fact that I'm black is probably not that helpful to the argument because it just turns out being the opinion of one dude and not even someone that could be considered a typical black person at that! I will say that nothing that was said by Amy was offensive to me and pretty much agree with all of it! (not surprising to people that know me well and know that I like Thomas Sowell). Another thing that makes me an atypical black dude is that I have never been discriminated at work... close to 40yrs of various jobs. Saying this ensure that my views on the subject would never be part of any mainstream programming.
She is a marvellous woman. Without people like her, the grit in the millstone, then civilisation will die however much it may pride itself on its achievements.
She said "Perhaps the most important reason that the cultural case for limited immigration remains underexplored has to do with that bête noire - race. Let us be candid. Europe and the First World, to which the United States belongs, remain mostly white for now; and the Third World, although mixed, contains a lot of non-white people. Embracing cultural distance, cultural distance nationalism, means, in effect, taking the position that our country will be better off with more whites and fewer non-whites. Well, that is the result anyway. So even if our immigration philosophy is grounded firmly in cultural concerns, doesn’t rely on race at all, and no matter how many times we repeat the mantra that correlation is not causation, these racial dimensions are enough to spook conservatives."
Great interview with a unique woman.
Wow, Amy Wax is a hero. Love her.
OMG. I love her.
I don't agree with everything Wax says (though I do with most of it), but I will ALWAYS respect her right to say these things. The great myth of 'free speech' is that in today's culture, it is NOT free at all in many forums, especially academia, most sadly. I was thoroughly grateful for this interview.
"Whenever an institution becomes ineffective or irreverent to the benefit of an individual, then eventually individuals will seek out alternate, more productive venues in which to exploit their talents and capabilities. Higher education requires an independent, self-analysis that will reform the basis of the institution."
John McWhorter plays both sides. He's afraid of losing the woke side which has supported him in academics for so long, and he certainly never wishes to be suspended by taking a risk on saying anything that the woke/cancel culture might not be pleased with.
University of Pennsylvania should lose all funding from US gov, and their trust funds should be taxed.
‘Comment’ in support of dealing with the truth, as best we can determine
It seems Wax is learning what conservatives have had to suffer, for years in woke universities.