Clarification of the nature of faith might be useful. I once lost my 'faith' but in hindsight all I lost were passive vague feelings. Faith is an action of will , a choice that can disregard involuntary, irrational mood. I found that helpful in finding faith again (or the 1st time). The Act of Faith. It is a muscle in a way. Sincerely, random sinner
Yes Faith is an "action" term. If you don't exercise it, then you don't possess it. Its not a "thought" term but a DO term. This is what I discovered about my denomination. A lot of talk, no action. Just works of the flesh. And yet people all around me thought they were "saved" by "grace". Grace is metted out to those who SHOW their "faith" and DO what is required. (Moral Commandments). The works or rituals of the flesh is what is rejected by our Father. I.e. going TO church, weekly prayers meetings that never amount to anything, tithing which only benefits the preacher, volunteering to work like a dog at the "church" which benefits no one in need, etc. I got sick of the whole ridiculous phoney game and discovered the truth by reading the Bible for myself using a lexicon. I'll never step foot in another one of these structures created by men and never ordained or required by God. Pure waste of time. My money goes to whom I choose needs it; and I refuse these ridiculous pagan holidays passed off as "holy" days. Absolutely nothing biblical about any of it. I got off the broad road and found the narrow way. It was lonely at first but more and more people have joined in walking the same path I am. There truly is pure freedom away from "religion. God never created any religion, men did. We are to LIVE out faith daily and that is our witness not a bunch of empty words and fancy dress up on SUNday to prove to everyone how holy we think we are. Same rituals day in day out, year in year out, generation after generation until several mellinia have passed and the people still living in the same sin and have never gotten true victory over any of it. (Because they've been taught they don't have to Because someone else already covered it all for them. The biggest lie ever perpetrated on mankind.
Right, many of the great works of English literature (and other languages) are bursting with Christian wisdom, with a godly view of life and its purpose and what makes it true and good. The Bible is the where the Word can be heard, and our words in novels and poetry are their best when they reflect it. True understanding is to kneel before God. All true knowledge points to the mystery and love of Christ. The intellect and the emotions and the body are to be given for God, who made them. Simply follow Jesus
For some time the kids aren't being taught to read as much as my generation. That's the lessons are not being learned. The kids are now making those mistakes and supporting ideologies that roll back the lessons hard to learn from history
@@mikiafu it's complex - in the beginning he was trying to help lost young men foster honesty and responsibility. I think he became overwhelmed with the response and it deformed his character in a way that was impossible for him to preempt.
He said very explicitly that we moderns won't believe before and without understanding. Childlike faith is endearing, but we must grow up and recognise that belief is inevitable.......
I think personal experience is extremely vital. Childlike faith goes deep, like music 🎶. Understanding will come if we seek God with all heart, like reading his word. Studying.
If trump uses tariffs as a negotiation tool but not implementing them it is genious. But protectionism (that is the use of tariffs) lessens world trade, the variety of goods and the profit and GDP for all countries.
The flood predicates the final judgement, where fate is elective: that is 'repent or die': 'not listening': 'repe .....'etc. 'Oh blast, say it one more time please'.
All those authors mocked the old male moralist, the tedious self-important professor, the overly elaborate use of words to impress, and the spoiled wealthy overly ernest depressive. In short, Peterson represents the very opposite of a moral life. The Austens, Hugo, Elliott, Dostoyevsky and any of those voices would have made Peterson a figure of fun, he is a lonely tragic parody of himself.
For the intellectual Understanding comes before Believing. If sought in an objective way one can arrive at a Belief in GOD, the Creator. This is arrived at through much diverse reading & contemplation . This process is described by Cant in his Critique of Pure Reason Chapter lll - Of the Ultimate End of the Natural Dialectic of Human Reason. With so much information at our disposal there is no excuse for being ignorant or dogmatic. The journey if undertaken is fascinating with many unforeseen turns along the way. GOD Bless all who travel along this pathway and may 2025 be peaceful & prosperous for You.
That’s not necessarily what JP is he’s paints a picture of the depth of the bible and the biblical stories. He is for sure not atheist he just doesn’t want ti be categorised as Christian but rather as a thinker
(written in haste...) Re understanding versus belief - and which come first.. Surely we necessarily move through both at different times, and at different intensities, throughout our lives. God has given us tools of poetry and creativity, the capacity to see beauty and feel awe, all of which contribute to our openness to spiritual experience - a "knowing there is something beyond/more". This is surely where a child starts, even if there is a period/s of rejection. God has given us powers of questioning and analysis and observation which we will and must apply, be it a hazard to belief. We must each negotiate a path through belief and doubt toward understanding. But this is not a linear path, since it ia a path of the mind, which means we may revisit the past and bring it with us at any time, ands likewise step into the future through our dreams. ((btw JP... that chair makes you look here as though you gave tense, raised shoulders. I think its the similar tone of the suit and chair ))
Stop being a coward and talk about Indo European religion, the true, native and superior religion of Europe and beyond. The truth is an ultimate virtue.
@harley7356 "Paganism" is an ethnic slur used in a genocide of Europe. It's Indo European religion, objectively in the same family as living traditions like Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Ossetianism, etc. You're right that Christianity is a liability. You're wrong about Indo European religion, a tree must have it's roots. These are the roots of Europe. Reject Yahwism, embrace, reform, reignite and renew native European tradition, religion and culture. It is the only thing that will save Europe, both East, West and beyond.
This is seriously second rate stuff from Peterson. Gove could have done a better job of probing the weaknesses in his arguments. Disappointing all round.
@@robgoldin6464 don’t think it was that kind of discussion, JP invites us into understanding some of the depth of the bible, which like it or not has been the foundation of western society.
Very weak argument I agree. What got my goat the most is his claim that the falling birthrate is due to sexual hedonism. A much bigger factor is economic - you only have to find one of the plethora of "why I am leaving the UK" videos, and hearing the stories of frustration and exasperation from young men and women who know the only way they'll ever have a house, career and family is if they emigrate. The system, of which Peterson's interviewer is an exemplar has not just failed them, but has utterly and wilfully betrayed them. I was initially inspired by Peterson but his head is so far up his butt now.
Woke, the African-American English synonym for the General American English word awake, has since the 1930s or earlier been used to refer to awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans. Didn't hear him mention African-Americans.
He corrected subsequently to Black Sea. Are you really prepared to diss the prodigious intellect of Jordan Peterson on the basis of a miniscule geography error?
so glad we found Yeshua together Dr. Peterson, I found the Bible about 6 years ago. What a read!
Clarification of the nature of faith might be useful. I once lost my 'faith' but in hindsight all I lost were passive vague feelings. Faith is an action of will , a choice that can disregard involuntary, irrational mood. I found that helpful in finding faith again (or the 1st time). The Act of Faith. It is a muscle in a way. Sincerely, random sinner
Yes Faith is an "action" term. If you don't exercise it, then you don't possess it. Its not a "thought" term but a DO term. This is what I discovered about my denomination. A lot of talk, no action. Just works of the flesh. And yet people all around me thought they were "saved" by "grace". Grace is metted out to those who SHOW their "faith" and DO what is required. (Moral Commandments). The works or rituals of the flesh is what is rejected by our Father. I.e. going TO church, weekly prayers meetings that never amount to anything, tithing which only benefits the preacher, volunteering to work like a dog at the "church" which benefits no one in need, etc. I got sick of the whole ridiculous phoney game and discovered the truth by reading the Bible for myself using a lexicon. I'll never step foot in another one of these structures created by men and never ordained or required by God. Pure waste of time. My money goes to whom I choose needs it; and I refuse these ridiculous pagan holidays passed off as "holy" days. Absolutely nothing biblical about any of it. I got off the broad road and found the narrow way. It was lonely at first but more and more people have joined in walking the same path I am. There truly is pure freedom away from "religion. God never created any religion, men did. We are to LIVE out faith daily and that is our witness not a bunch of empty words and fancy dress up on SUNday to prove to everyone how holy we think we are. Same rituals day in day out, year in year out, generation after generation until several mellinia have passed and the people still living in the same sin and have never gotten true victory over any of it. (Because they've been taught they don't have to Because someone else already covered it all for them. The biggest lie ever perpetrated on mankind.
Right, many of the great works of English literature (and other languages) are bursting with Christian wisdom, with a godly view of life and its purpose and what makes it true and good. The Bible is the where the Word can be heard, and our words in novels and poetry are their best when they reflect it.
True understanding is to kneel before God. All true knowledge points to the mystery and love of Christ. The intellect and the emotions and the body are to be given for God, who made them. Simply follow Jesus
For some time the kids aren't being taught to read as much as my generation. That's the lessons are not being learned. The kids are now making those mistakes and supporting ideologies that roll back the lessons hard to learn from history
Such as falling prey to Peterson's demagoguery ?
@@mikiafuno, falling for the death cult Marx summoned upon this world. The hammer and sickle has been temporarily disguised with a corrupt rainbow.
@@mikiafu it's complex - in the beginning he was trying to help lost young men foster honesty and responsibility. I think he became overwhelmed with the response and it deformed his character in a way that was impossible for him to preempt.
@toby_fred yes it seems so, and he also became addicted, in the process
@toby_fred yes it seems so, and he also became addicted, in the process
Sadly, Dr Peterson places intellect and understanding before childlike faith.
He said very explicitly that we moderns won't believe before and without understanding. Childlike faith is endearing, but we must grow up and recognise that belief is inevitable.......
I think personal experience is extremely vital. Childlike faith goes deep, like music 🎶.
Understanding will come if we seek God with all heart, like reading his word. Studying.
If trump uses tariffs as a negotiation tool but not implementing them it is genious. But protectionism (that is the use of tariffs) lessens world trade, the variety of goods and the profit and GDP for all countries.
Well yes in a sense but subsidy’s are generally the root of tariffs and are just as inhibitive to free ish trade
Society? Noah left everyone to die. Insane
God literally told him to
The flood predicates the final judgement, where fate is elective: that is 'repent or die': 'not listening': 'repe .....'etc. 'Oh blast, say it one more time please'.
@@aylerayler have you read the Bible?
Feynman on "understanding" - knowing something (in your bones) vs knowing the name(s) of something . . .
All those authors mocked the old male moralist, the tedious self-important professor, the overly elaborate use of words to impress, and the spoiled wealthy overly ernest depressive. In short, Peterson represents the very opposite of a moral life. The Austens, Hugo, Elliott, Dostoyevsky and any of those voices would have made Peterson a figure of fun, he is a lonely tragic parody of himself.
For the intellectual Understanding comes before Believing. If sought in an objective way one can arrive at a Belief in GOD, the Creator. This is arrived at through much diverse reading & contemplation .
This process is described by Cant in his Critique of Pure Reason Chapter lll - Of the Ultimate End of the Natural Dialectic of Human Reason.
With so much information at our disposal there is no excuse for being ignorant or dogmatic. The journey if undertaken is fascinating with many unforeseen turns along the way. GOD Bless all who travel along this pathway and may 2025 be peaceful & prosperous for You.
No major denomination of Christianity interprets the Bible anywhere close to how Peterson does.
Nothing Christian about being a biblically adjacent philosophical atheist
To act is to believe and to pray is to have faith. God does not need labels.
That’s not necessarily what JP is he’s paints a picture of the depth of the bible and the biblical stories. He is for sure not atheist he just doesn’t want ti be categorised as Christian but rather as a thinker
But perhaps better.
(written in haste...)
Re understanding versus belief - and which come first.. Surely we necessarily move through both at different times, and at different intensities, throughout our lives.
God has given us tools of poetry and creativity, the capacity to see beauty and feel awe, all of which contribute to our openness to spiritual experience - a "knowing there is something beyond/more". This is surely where a child starts, even if there is a period/s of rejection. God has given us powers of questioning and analysis and observation which we will and must apply, be it a hazard to belief.
We must each negotiate a path through belief and doubt toward understanding. But this is not a linear path, since it ia a path of the mind, which means we may revisit the past and bring it with us at any time, ands likewise step into the future through our dreams.
((btw JP... that chair makes you look here as though you gave tense, raised shoulders. I think its the similar tone of the suit and chair ))
Stop being a coward and talk about Indo European religion, the true, native and superior religion of Europe and beyond. The truth is an ultimate virtue.
@@S.J.L Neither Christianity or Indo-European Paganism will save the west we need a New Spiritual Path
@harley7356 "Paganism" is an ethnic slur used in a genocide of Europe. It's Indo European religion, objectively in the same family as living traditions like Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Ossetianism, etc. You're right that Christianity is a liability. You're wrong about Indo European religion, a tree must have it's roots. These are the roots of Europe. Reject Yahwism, embrace, reform, reignite and renew native European tradition, religion and culture. It is the only thing that will save Europe, both East, West and beyond.
No. The bible is just old stories
Not only that, its terribly outdated and hateful. Read the story of Cain and Abel.
Dressing like a clown, or as though you are dressing to cast for the Joker, lends no credibility to your argument.
K
Books, covers and judgement; think again!
This is seriously second rate stuff from Peterson. Gove could have done a better job of probing the weaknesses in his arguments. Disappointing all round.
@@robgoldin6464 don’t think it was that kind of discussion, JP invites us into understanding some of the depth of the bible, which like it or not has been the foundation of western society.
Very weak argument I agree. What got my goat the most is his claim that the falling birthrate is due to sexual hedonism. A much bigger factor is economic - you only have to find one of the plethora of "why I am leaving the UK" videos, and hearing the stories of frustration and exasperation from young men and women who know the only way they'll ever have a house, career and family is if they emigrate. The system, of which Peterson's interviewer is an exemplar has not just failed them, but has utterly and wilfully betrayed them. I was initially inspired by Peterson but his head is so far up his butt now.
Well considering Peterson is a big fan of Nietzsche I find it hard to believe he's a Christian.
Utter woke nonsense from Peterson
So conservatism is woke now?
Interesting.
@MGJS71 now?
Woke, the African-American English synonym for the General American English word awake, has since the 1930s or earlier been used to refer to awareness of social and political issues affecting African Americans. Didn't hear him mention African-Americans.
@rogerturner5504 yes, it is not about the colour, it is about the use of colour, as espoused by woke warrior Peterson
@@rogerturner5504woke was appropriated by libs to mean any cultural Marxism on social victim-porn mongering
Peterson turned out to be a blah blah person that is book smart with nonsense like 'Ukraine borders Caspian sea'
Well, he does mostly write for a North American audience and we know how stupid most of them are.
He corrected subsequently to Black Sea. Are you really prepared to diss the prodigious intellect of Jordan Peterson on the basis of a miniscule geography error?
Prodigious nonsense machine.@@rogerturner5504