Another great list. Capcom, Sega, SNK, and Tecmo all put some amazing games on Saturn for the fighting genre. The game I'm happiest to have in my collection is SFZ3. I was lucky (or dumb depending on opinion) to buy it for PS1, DC, and Saturn's import releases. Saturn is my favorite out of the 3.
Nice touch seeing Beast in the background along with Blanka on Marvel vs. SF. For me, King of Fighters '97 would be up there alongside the likes of Virtua Fighter 2 and Fighters Megamix as my favorite fighters for the system. I just wasn't into what Capcom was doing after they started Alpha and I lost interest in Marvel characters by then. I did pick up Marvel Super Heroes and X-Men vs. Street Fighter, and I have fond sentimental memories of each, but they didn't grab me or have a lot of longevity for me either. No doubt Capcom's ports were very well done and what the 4MB RAM cart allowed was quite impressive. I'm looking forward to the system comparison coming up.
Picking my number one fighter for Saturn is difficult... Because I played so many of them, but I have to hand it to marvel super heros vs street fighter. Loved the game, art style, the American announcer on a Japanese exclusive game 😂
I STILL think they should bring back Fighters Megamix, get Kazuma Kiryu and some Yakuza characters in it, Phantasy Star, Skies of Arcadia, Valkyria Chronicles etc all joining a vastly expanded cast
YES!! I second this!! Add in characters from Sakura Taisen, Streets of Rage, Thor(Legend of Oasis), Joe Musashi from Shinobi, Spike Out, Last Bronx, Virtual-On (size scaling should be ignored completely LOL), and even SEGATA SANSHIRO himself! That would be epic!!
@@SuperKokuJin916 Obviously Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Honey, and Eggman, NiGHTS, Shou and Tillis from Burning Rangers, Azel and Edge from Panzer Dragoon... Ooh maybe even characters SEGA licenses, like Hatsune Miku, Bayonetta, Evangelion characters and their EVAs from when Gainax and SEGA had a Saturn exclusivity deal during 95, or Tobio from when they made the PS2 and GBA game based on the 2003 reboot Astro Boy: Mighty Atom. Fuck it even bring in real people who were in SEGA games- Michael Jackson, Joe Montana, Craig Stadler, fuck it get weird as hell with the roster entries, sell the expensive-to-license characters as DLC
Saturn and Turbo/PCE were consoles whose game libraries were tailor-made for those of us who like a 90's arcade experience. For some people, shmups and fighters just aren't that appealing. Like a lot of commenters on here, I personally still play Saturn all the time (way more than PS1), but at the time the game library that PS1 was offering just appealed to so many more players.
Not underrated, poorly designed ( originally planned as a 2d powerhouse and adapted to polygon mid project while the home market was changing it's focus from arcade ports to rpgs) and poorly marketed ( the way sega of japan shot kalinske in the back for stupid reasons )
@@RhoadsRafa sadly that jabroni Kalinske also hurt Sega back with the 32x. America market was lost immediately with that bad play, and it never got recovered, not only hurting Saturn but Dreamcast as well. The damage was done, sadly.
Never mind the fact that back in the day they'd make you have to buy a whole new game if you wanted new characters or balance adjustments in the game you liked. Yes, it's so much worse now with free patches, dlc that you're under zero obligation to buy, and the option to buy a single character in a season if you so choose.
@@justinhague105 Characters being dlc is only a real problem from the competitive aspect because you can't lab characters you don't have. In that case, it's a major issue because you can wind up with situations like season 3 of Tekken 7 where some of the best characters in the game are all dlc. For people who just mash buttons, it's no big deal. I don't know how works in SFV or MK11, but I know in Tekken and Smash you just purchase a single character instead of whole season pass if you're so inclined. If you can afford the $300+ console and the $60 game, five bucks for a character months down the road isn't a big deal. On disc dlc, like what Capcom did with Street Fighter X Tekken and UMvC3 is a different story, is scummy because you're paying for something you technically already have.
@Jedite X I can live with modern fighting games aesthetics just fine. What truly kills them for me is their actual gameplay and mechanics. Lots of them are based on Unreal Engine and for whatever reason, it doesn't make for a good experience in fighting games. Every single time I play them I feel like the fighters moves, collision detection, combos and animations are kinda plasticky, synthetic and weird. In the older games, you feel the characters moving and doing their own things in a more natural way. But maybe that's my own impression.
Played so much of Capcom VS snk 2 in my teens. The time I killed Shin Akuma and Ultra Rugal was like the highest point in my gaming life. Sad fighting games don't have that kind of draw anymore.
Dreamcast had a controller I love but not for fighters. Not really into arcade sticks, but the Saturn controller, damn, best way to play arcade fighters
I would say: 1. Fighters Megamix 2. Virtua Fighter 2 3. Street Fighter Collection 4. Fighting Vipers 5. Street Fighter Alpha 2 (or 3, but I don't have it on Saturn)
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu its eventually going to hurt them, especially when it comes to fighting games. snk and nrs are smart enough to rotate their franchises but capcom is going to run sf into the ground. sad, vampire savior has the kind of gameplay that we need right now.
The field narrowed to exclusively fighting games, the Saturn wins, hands down. The longevity of the system, versus the Dreamcast, resulted in a larger, more diverse, catalog of fighting games. That, coupled with the Saturn being the undisputed best of 2-D graphics, make it the better of the two systems, in terms of fighting games.
Like someone said. We really would like to hear your thoughts on WARP company and their games: D, D2 and the amazing Enemy Zero. For me the Dreamcast wins because of Soul Calibur alone. That game is still a beast. Saturn has the best fighting controller ever though.
One on one fighters right? No Streets of Rage, Final Fight CD, Battle Toads, Golden Axe etc... do we have 10 good fighting games on the Genesis? In no particular order: 1- Street Fighter 2 SCE 2-Mortal Kombat 3-Super Street Fighter 2 4- Mortal Kombat 2 5- Eternal Champions 6-Fatal Fury 7-Fatal Fury 2 8-Samurai Shodown 9-Mortal Kombat 3 10-Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 11- World Heroes 12-TMNT:Tournament Fighters 13-Virtua Fighters 2 There are more but you really don't have to look past these to determine a top 10 (drop VF2 from consideration).
The Genesis lineup of fighting games isn't nearly as good as those of the Saturn or Dreamcast, it isn't even that good by itself honestly, you can barely do a top 10 and the games on it would be pretty obvious for the most part.
Actually you can still get a good copy in the $200's if you're careful, but that's still a ridiculous price. It appears that the price has gone way up during covid like a lot of retro games. I saw good copies under $200 early in 2020.
My 13 year old nephew loves playing my Saturn collection and of all the games, coming at it completely fresh Vampire Savior is his favorite. It was the first import game I ever bought when it was a brand new release.
@@caseyhayes4590 Just that even with some cheesy character design and lack of content compared to nowadays fighting games, VS is still stunning. All characters are really different, with catchy design with very detailled smooth animation. They have all very different playstyle as well. The devil is in the details with VS. I do not think Capcom could do something like this now.
Interesting stuff, so many great facts about each game. It's a sign of how many fighters there were on the Saturn that my favourite Capcom Generations 5 isn't even mentioned. Personally I don't own a DC, I find it too clunky compared to the Saturn and prefer 2D fighters anyway. So for me Saturn wins.
I never understood what was the struggle to get Neo Geo games running on Saturn and Playstation. I imagined they were way more powerful systems that could play these games with ease. So not sure why we would excuse “minor” stuff like missed frames or missing animations in these ports. I don’t see the ommisions being big enough to buy a Neo geo or these games not being worth the play, but not sure why we should be impressed either.
Ps1 and lack of ram is the main problem for that system, just wasn't possible to get perfect ports on the system which resulted in missing frames and even bad sound. Sega saturn could have done perfect ports if bigger ram carts were used but snk only stuck with 1mb for whatever reason.
@@HellTantrumbull Plus everything is 3D from what I understand. Even 2D stuff has to be presented on a single flat polygon field, which limits what can be done.
@@personavisceration371 Yup, most everything we see in a lot capcom fighters and I'm assuming certain snk fighters on ps1 are really flat polygons to help save space on ram since the system really eats up space with a lot of games. Running the games in an emu that can go into wireframe mode will show which ones are using flat polygons. Thinking about it, that's probably why ps1 versions of games also take up more disc space than their saturn counterparts even if a game doesn't have fmv files. I haven't seen one ps1 game use less disc space than a saturn version yet to this day which tells me a lot about the systems compression format.
@@HellTantrumbull I'm not sure if there were other issues with the RAM carts behind the scenes, like perhaps the 4MB cart being a deal between Sega and Capcom, but I think one reason SNK didn't use it was simply due to timing. X-Men vs. Street Fighter came out in late 1997 with the cart. KOF '97 came out a few months into 1998 and was likely in development before the 4MB cart might have been an option for them. KOF '97 may have been SNK's last major, non-compilation, release for the Saturn before moving to the Dreamcast. Perhaps they would have considered it if they continued to port their games to the Saturn.
It's all an issue of memory. One thing the Neo Geo was good at and designed to do was quickly access giant ROMs as needed. Despite Saturn and PS1 being more powerful systems, being optical based means accessing the discs was slow, so the assets needed to be in RAM, which was quite limited for those systems. Removing frames was done to save memory for other things. As Sega Lord X pointed out, Capcom cut frames from X-Men Children of the Atom, so it wasn't unique to SNK. Marvel Super Heroes also had cut frames, though it also supported the 1MB RAM cart as an option and used it to restore those frames. No question the Saturn could handle the Neo Geo games just fine with more RAM available. Groove On Fight is an interesting example because the arcade version runs on the arcade version of the Saturn, but it's a ROM cart and it has quite a bit more animation than the home port as a result.
The Saturn has dozens of awesome fighting games but I must say I was a s little disappointed by the fact that no Samurai Shodown or The King of Fighters were featured here.
Tekken series was awesome at the time (especially 3) but Capcom 2D fighters aged waaaaaaaaaay better than any 3D fighting games and Saturn had the most and best versions. The Saturn's 3D lineup was at least a good debate vs PS1 too. I think Soul Calibur on Dreamcast might be the first truly timeless 3D fighter that hasn't aged poorly. Saturn has nearly a dozen 2D fighters that were never really eclipsed or aged poorly.
It's the best when it comes to arcade ports since 95% are much better than their PS1 equivalent, however the PS1 does have a lot of solid exclusive content, probably more than the Saturn, so it's hard to say, it depends on what you are looking for. And the N64 sucks when it comes to fighting games for the most part.
I been collecting all the Sega PC versions of the games and Ive had no problems running them on Windows XP SP3 and I've even been getting the other companies titles like X-Men Children of the Atom is on the PC as well and they are just as good if not better than the Saturn versions
I have a few myself and they do run quite well. Now only if I can find that Diamond Edge 3D card bundle, that would complete the Saturn experience. Probably the best version of Virtua Fighter Remix and Panzer Dragoon on any system.
I always say SF Zero 3 on Saturn is the best looking and best playing game of 32 bit era. It's possibly the best console fighting game of all time. It's not that the other games aren't amazing, but Zero 3 is just 100/100. Alpha 2 that we got localized in the US seems almost perfect, then you put in 3 and it's even better.
Saturn definitely has some of the best 2D fighters out there bar none...many even besting the Dreamcast. However, most of their 3D fighters were not very good.
I've wanted to play Pocket Fighter ever since seeing Puzzle Fighter and wishing it was a fighting game instead of a Tetris clone. Never knew I needed a Saturn for that. And I don't think I've ever heard of Astra Superstars. It looks pretty cool. And Alpha 3 is better on Saturn than Dreamcast? That's a surprise. Now I want a Saturn even more.
It was also on psone and release in the alpha anthology on ps2. Not sure how the version on either of those are. I've only played the arcade version. Saturn is prolly closest tho.
Saturn also has Capcom Generations 5 in Japan of course with Street Fighter II The World Warriors, Champion Edition and Turbo Hyper Fighting. It later got a release in North America as Street Fighter Collection 2 only on the PSX.
Yeah I stumbled across both collections for PSX in a thrift shop probably close to 20 ago now for five bucks a pop, mint condition complete. One of the greatest finds and buys I've ever made.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu CG5 is by far my most played game on the Saturn. Plays near enough arcade perfect for me, and also has the remixed soundtracks option once you complete each game. Flawless imo.
The time I got my PSX and while playing Street Fighter Collection 1 and 2 since both those compilations were near arcade perfect ports from that point on there was no need to go back and play any 16 bit Street Fighter games for the Snes or Genesis home ports.
@@Albert8044 Most people only go back out of nostalgia anyway. Unless it's a game that's near perfect or only appeared on the console there isn't really much of a reason to go back to ports of the 16-bit consoles. Except of course turbo graphix 16/PC engine. That console still has some great games.
I recall purchasing Virtua Fighter 2 at Toys R Us back in the day for $65! Probably the most I had ever paid for a single game... And it was SO worth it! Another awesome vid SLX, thx 👍🎮
Another great list, enjoyed the video! I can't really argue with any of your picks, and kudos for including Astra Superstars which I really loved after I learned how to play it. If I were making my own personal top 10 on Saturn, I'd try to find a way to include Last Bronx & Rabbit, but it's hard to pull any out of this top 10. Tiny things: nowadays I prefer Fighting Vipers to Fighters Megamix, and my favorite of the SNK ports is KoF 96 for its fun factor. I've got my own ideas about Saturn vs Dreamcast (your next video), and a lot of the comments already posted here are betting the Saturn will win because of the controller disparity. However, I'm waiting to see if you'll judge the game libraries as games only, assuming a decent fighting stick for both systems.
Super video as always 👍 These lists are very subjective so make for a good argument. 😀 I can't see how you can have VF1 on this list ahead of more mature 3d fighters such as Dead of Alive or Last Bronx... Fighters Megamix is the best fight game on any 32 bit system imho!
I’ve never “accepted” Virtua Fighter Remix, I could just never take to it even back in the day. It just looks like a fan mod, the original release is just so iconic and holds such a special place in my heart due to its impact on me when I seen it in arcades and got the Saturn at launch. To each their own though, great list and, like the DC one, there’s so many we could all swap in/out.
I disagree I think the Sega Genesis and superintendent was fighting games looked very respectful to the arcade. With much much less hardware advancements. Mortal Kombat two on the super Nintendo and Mortal Kombat three are a masterpiece on 16 bit. Also alpha-2 on the super Nintendo is a miracle
Genesis has pretty weak line up of fighting games. Outside of Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat i would recommend playing only 3 or 4 games: Fatal Fury 2 WeaponLord WWF WrestleMania - The Arcade Game Yuu Yuu Hakusho: Makyou Toitsusen
My favorite fighters on the Saturn are Fighting Vipers, Dead or Alive and Vampire Savior. I’m glad at least two of those got representation on this list but I would have rated them higher. Everyone has their preferences, though. Street Fighter has just never clicked much with me.
I really hate I didn't import street fighter alpha 3 on the Saturn. I knew it was gonna be one of the last Saturn games released, but I didn't bite. I grabbed street fighter collection USA version instead.
I grabbed SF Collection when Saturn US games were getting price slashed. I think I remember it was $18 at a Sears. I didn't even realize it had SF Alpha 2 Gold, thinking it was all older games. I hadn't really played the Alpha series and it blew me away.
Umm... Fighter’s Megamix had VF, Fighting Vipers and Sonic the Fighters. They did NOT have Virtua Cop characters. It did have Pepsiman as a guest though. How come you didn’t have Last Bronx on the list?
@@SegaLordX Sorry, thought she was from Fighting Vipers Last Bronx is pretty underrated. Also Eternal Champions 3 was supposed to be on the Sega Saturn but was canceled by Sega of Japan because they thought it was competing with Virtua Fighter, which was a really dumb decision.
Yes and imagine shenmue, vectorman and Yakuza on the virtual fighters mix. This pretty much was there Sega version answer to the super Mario smash Bros. This I would believe would of had done better than Sonic shuffle
16:56 Amen to that! The whole DLC, update, game-as-service model of SF5 is the reason I left the SF series after being a faithful fan of the series since 1992. Also I disagree on the fact that no other versions of SFA3 came close to the Saturn port. Many people forget about the PS2 version of SFA3 Upper. Not only does it feature all the animation (including the ones missing from the PSP and Dreamcast versions), it also features EX Arcade Mode, EX Versus Mode, EX Survival Mode, and EX Dramatic Mode... not to mention Hyper SFA... the ultimate CPS2 Street Fighter experience... all topped off with what the Saturn version lacks: no load time and Stereo sound. I say these features make the PS2 version superior to the Saturn version overall... even if it lacks World Tour Mode and PSP version's addition of nonsensical copy-pasted characters Maki, Eagle, Yun, and Ingrid. The other games included in SFA Anthology were just icing on the cake.
I watch your videos regularly! Really love these subjects. Own a lot of these‼️Looking forward to your comparison of Dreamcast vs Saturn as a Fighting Games system.
For me, hands down: VF2 >>> FV ("Pepsimaaaaan!!"), FMM, DOA, LB, VF Remix, VF, and maybe even the crazy Anarchy in the Nippon! And YEAH, I know I missed out BIG TIME by virtually not playing any of the utterly amazing 2D fighting games on the Saturn, but for some reason, I never really got into 2D fighters with pretty much the sole exception of Eternal Champions on SMD/SCD which I loved for its uniqueness in gameplay, art design, insane over-the-top gore factor and overall visual appeal. Even the music is great (composition-wise), though it's done with GEMS. Golden Axe: The Duel was pretty much the only 2D fighter I had and played on SAT, and while not being a genre highlight in any way, just because I loved the GA franchise, I kinda dug it.
Thank you for noting the Sega Saturn NA controller.. its still the best dpad I've ever used.. madcatz tried to make a copy with the fight pad but it still didn't meet the quality of Saturn's. This system was 🔥 for fighters, and had its own gems from other genres, as it was during segas golden age. 🤎
I'd love to see fans port Marvel vs Capcom 1 on the saturn, I know damn well it would be possible considering it's engine was the same as every other capcom fighter the system had and the fact the ps1 could handle a half assed port of it.
Nice list bro, Fighters Megamix is my number one pick. The dreamcast had amazing fighting games it's just the Saturn had even more amazing fighting games, My pick SEGA SATURN
I love Fighters Megamix, and bought all of these games on the list when they were released. I remember when I finally beat Akuma in Amkuma mode, I am sure I broke a controller or two leading up to finally finishing it :) I was for sure mostly playing fighting games on my Saturn and that's ok, there were so many amazing ones to play.
That's my favourite video game genre by far. But I don't like all those "new" 3D fighting games, I'm strictly into 2D sprite based FTGs from the 90s and early 2000s, for example The King of Fighters and Street Fighter franchise and some others (old school).
I’ve just gotten into the Saturn catalogue with the Satiator and Brook wingman SD and using the 8bitdo arcade stick with it it’s really such an amazing console
Hey in all fairness Ultimate MK3 was damn near a perfect arcade port. MK2 was straight trash and to be honest MK trilogy was pretty good too, But UMK3 was top tier
So glad you let that Akuma fight play out, that shit was intense!
arcticridge I was hoping for that too! And again SLX delivers! It was like the fireball contest reviewing the Saturn controller!
Another great list. Capcom, Sega, SNK, and Tecmo all put some amazing games on Saturn for the fighting genre. The game I'm happiest to have in my collection is SFZ3. I was lucky (or dumb depending on opinion) to buy it for PS1, DC, and Saturn's import releases. Saturn is my favorite out of the 3.
I think the Street Fighter Collection and Capcom Generations 5 deserve a spot in the top 10. Capcom Generations 5 especially.
Nice touch seeing Beast in the background along with Blanka on Marvel vs. SF. For me, King of Fighters '97 would be up there alongside the likes of Virtua Fighter 2 and Fighters Megamix as my favorite fighters for the system. I just wasn't into what Capcom was doing after they started Alpha and I lost interest in Marvel characters by then. I did pick up Marvel Super Heroes and X-Men vs. Street Fighter, and I have fond sentimental memories of each, but they didn't grab me or have a lot of longevity for me either. No doubt Capcom's ports were very well done and what the 4MB RAM cart allowed was quite impressive. I'm looking forward to the system comparison coming up.
13 dislikes must be PS1 fanboys who can't handle the truth..
I love that you now get 10k views in a few hours, keep going brother you're the best
Picking my number one fighter for Saturn is difficult... Because I played so many of them, but I have to hand it to marvel super heros vs street fighter. Loved the game, art style, the American announcer on a Japanese exclusive game 😂
The overly American sounding announcer in SF Alpha/Zero 3 is incredible in the same way.
Saturn has great fighters but... Dreamcast has MvC2 so it wins hands down!
Interesting. Saturn suffered game wise but is interesting
I STILL think they should bring back Fighters Megamix, get Kazuma Kiryu and some Yakuza characters in it, Phantasy Star, Skies of Arcadia, Valkyria Chronicles etc all joining a vastly expanded cast
YES!! I second this!!
Add in characters from Sakura Taisen, Streets of Rage, Thor(Legend of Oasis), Joe Musashi from Shinobi, Spike Out,
Last Bronx, Virtual-On (size scaling should be ignored completely LOL), and even SEGATA SANSHIRO himself! That would be epic!!
@@SuperKokuJin916 Obviously Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Shadow, Honey, and Eggman, NiGHTS, Shou and Tillis from Burning Rangers, Azel and Edge from Panzer Dragoon...
Ooh maybe even characters SEGA licenses, like Hatsune Miku, Bayonetta, Evangelion characters and their EVAs from when Gainax and SEGA had a Saturn exclusivity deal during 95, or Tobio from when they made the PS2 and GBA game based on the 2003 reboot Astro Boy: Mighty Atom.
Fuck it even bring in real people who were in SEGA games- Michael Jackson, Joe Montana, Craig Stadler, fuck it get weird as hell with the roster entries, sell the expensive-to-license characters as DLC
Sega Saturn will go down as the most underrated system ever
I'd say it wasn't really underrated. A lot of these games only came out in Japan and it had a major lack of quality 3d titles. My opinion of course.
TurboGrafx 16 got that title in my book
Saturn and Turbo/PCE were consoles whose game libraries were tailor-made for those of us who like a 90's arcade experience. For some people, shmups and fighters just aren't that appealing. Like a lot of commenters on here, I personally still play Saturn all the time (way more than PS1), but at the time the game library that PS1 was offering just appealed to so many more players.
Not underrated, poorly designed ( originally planned as a 2d powerhouse and adapted to polygon mid project while the home market was changing it's focus from arcade ports to rpgs) and poorly marketed ( the way sega of japan shot kalinske in the back for stupid reasons )
@@RhoadsRafa sadly that jabroni Kalinske also hurt Sega back with the 32x. America market was lost immediately with that bad play, and it never got recovered, not only hurting Saturn but Dreamcast as well. The damage was done, sadly.
"There's no silly update and seasons you need to pay extra for here". That is exactly why I stopped buying fighting games.
Never mind the fact that back in the day they'd make you have to buy a whole new game if you wanted new characters or balance adjustments in the game you liked. Yes, it's so much worse now with free patches, dlc that you're under zero obligation to buy, and the option to buy a single character in a season if you so choose.
Melvin Shine underrated comment.
Also a lot of people seem to overlook all those facts you mentioned.
Melvin Shine
Patches ok, but making characters paid DLC is crumby. Skins/costumes, alright. But not not characters, that handicaps the experience.
@@justinhague105 Characters being dlc is only a real problem from the competitive aspect because you can't lab characters you don't have. In that case, it's a major issue because you can wind up with situations like season 3 of Tekken 7 where some of the best characters in the game are all dlc. For people who just mash buttons, it's no big deal. I don't know how works in SFV or MK11, but I know in Tekken and Smash you just purchase a single character instead of whole season pass if you're so inclined. If you can afford the $300+ console and the $60 game, five bucks for a character months down the road isn't a big deal. On disc dlc, like what Capcom did with Street Fighter X Tekken and UMvC3 is a different story, is scummy because you're paying for something you technically already have.
@Jedite X I can live with modern fighting games aesthetics just fine. What truly kills them for me is their actual gameplay and mechanics. Lots of them are based on Unreal Engine and for whatever reason, it doesn't make for a good experience in fighting games. Every single time I play them I feel like the fighters moves, collision detection, combos and animations are kinda plasticky, synthetic and weird. In the older games, you feel the characters moving and doing their own things in a more natural way. But maybe that's my own impression.
Alright sweet. I can't wait to see your top 10 shooters for each Sega platform. I love me some shooters!
Me too 👍
The Godly Saturn controller easily makes it the best platform for fighting games
The godly Saturn controller ??? Try being a Zangief player
@@philleotardo8760 I do play Gief, maybe you just suck.
Played so much of Capcom VS snk 2 in my teens. The time I killed Shin Akuma and Ultra Rugal was like the highest point in my gaming life. Sad fighting games don't have that kind of draw anymore.
Try fighting Marie 300% in Skullgirls.
Dreamcast had a controller I love but not for fighters. Not really into arcade sticks, but the Saturn controller, damn, best way to play arcade fighters
As far as Saturn goes I could live off Vampire Savior and the SF Collection alone.
I would say:
1. Fighters Megamix
2. Virtua Fighter 2
3. Street Fighter Collection
4. Fighting Vipers
5. Street Fighter Alpha 2 (or 3, but I don't have it on Saturn)
Yes, Fighters Megamix is the Smash of Saturn and surely the best offering on the console. Even my non-gamer girlfriends have enjoyed playing it.
@@cinnamondan4984 lol & lol
It seems that the Sega Saturn was made entirely for fighting games.
The same with neo geo...
Saturn also has the best shmups ever made.
@@Mitjitsu rpgs, strategy. racing, many were very good.
@TrueSinister all a matter of opinion...Neo Geo both had lack of 3rd party support..and a lot of the game stayed in Japan
And scrolling shooters
Ok ok, but saturn deserved a top 20 in that category, 10 games leave the list with feeling want more
capcom really was the big hitter during that era. they took risks back then that would be unthinkable today.
Yeah Capcom is pretty "safe" these days.
Nothing like what they were through the 80's 90's and early 2000's.
I miss that edge they once had.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu its eventually going to hurt them, especially when it comes to fighting games. snk and nrs are smart enough to rotate their franchises but capcom is going to run sf into the ground. sad, vampire savior has the kind of gameplay that we need right now.
Virtua Fighter 2 is currently on the Xbox store for $5. I think it’s definitely time for me to get into that series!
Play VF5. It's the best fighting game ever made with the most customizable characters.
The field narrowed to exclusively fighting games, the Saturn wins, hands down. The longevity of the system, versus the Dreamcast, resulted in a larger, more diverse, catalog of fighting games. That, coupled with the Saturn being the undisputed best of 2-D graphics, make it the better of the two systems, in terms of fighting games.
Yes of course. Saturn and Dreamcast the 1st golden age of 2D for fighters. I still have 2 of each system, 1 u.s and 1 Japanese console of each
Undisputed best of 2D. 😂
The fact the DC had Soul Calibur instantly means it is better than the whole of the Saturn's fighting library.
The Saturn was paradise for fighting game fans, way too many great fighters to list but my favorite is fighters megamix
Like someone said. We really would like to hear your thoughts on WARP company and their games: D, D2 and the amazing Enemy Zero.
For me the Dreamcast wins because of Soul Calibur alone. That game is still a beast. Saturn has the best fighting controller ever though.
Wait: No Genesis top 10 Fighting Games?
Ahahahahahahaha
One on one fighters right? No Streets of Rage, Final Fight CD, Battle Toads, Golden Axe etc... do we have 10 good fighting games on the Genesis?
In no particular order:
1- Street Fighter 2 SCE
2-Mortal Kombat
3-Super Street Fighter 2
4- Mortal Kombat 2
5- Eternal Champions
6-Fatal Fury
7-Fatal Fury 2
8-Samurai Shodown
9-Mortal Kombat 3
10-Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3
11- World Heroes
12-TMNT:Tournament Fighters
13-Virtua Fighters 2
There are more but you really don't have to look past these to determine a top 10 (drop VF2 from consideration).
The Genesis lineup of fighting games isn't nearly as good as those of the Saturn or Dreamcast, it isn't even that good by itself honestly, you can barely do a top 10 and the games on it would be pretty obvious for the most part.
Astra Superstars looks soooooo good but it costs four hundred frickin dollars...
Actually you can still get a good copy in the $200's if you're careful, but that's still a ridiculous price. It appears that the price has gone way up during covid like a lot of retro games. I saw good copies under $200 early in 2020.
THANK YOU for putting Astra Superstars on this list! Whenever I talk about this game, no one else has ever played it!
Just saw the going price on ebay...ouch. Waiting on the Satiator public pre-orders to play that.
Same with Sokko Seitokai/Sonic Council.
Well done capcom dominated the fighting games back then but sega put up a fight.
virtua fighter is awsome
I agree.
Vampire Savior should be the winner...Such a piece of art, which inspired a lot of other fighters.
My 13 year old nephew loves playing my Saturn collection and of all the games, coming at it completely fresh Vampire Savior is his favorite. It was the first import game I ever bought when it was a brand new release.
@@caseyhayes4590 Just that even with some cheesy character design and lack of content compared to nowadays fighting games, VS is still stunning. All characters are really different, with catchy design with very detailled smooth animation. They have all very different playstyle as well. The devil is in the details with VS. I do not think Capcom could do something like this now.
The King of Fighters 97 should definitely be on the list.
Interesting stuff, so many great facts about each game.
It's a sign of how many fighters there were on the Saturn that my favourite Capcom Generations 5 isn't even mentioned.
Personally I don't own a DC, I find it too clunky compared to the Saturn and prefer 2D fighters anyway. So for me Saturn wins.
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I never understood what was the struggle to get Neo Geo games running on Saturn and Playstation. I imagined they were way more powerful systems that could play these games with ease. So not sure why we would excuse “minor” stuff like missed frames or missing animations in these ports. I don’t see the ommisions being big enough to buy a Neo geo or these games not being worth the play, but not sure why we should be impressed either.
Ps1 and lack of ram is the main problem for that system, just wasn't possible to get perfect ports on the system which resulted in missing frames and even bad sound.
Sega saturn could have done perfect ports if bigger ram carts were used but snk only stuck with 1mb for whatever reason.
@@HellTantrumbull Plus everything is 3D from what I understand. Even 2D stuff has to be presented on a single flat polygon field, which limits what can be done.
@@personavisceration371 Yup, most everything we see in a lot capcom fighters and I'm assuming certain snk fighters on ps1 are really flat polygons to help save space on ram since the system really eats up space with a lot of games. Running the games in an emu that can go into wireframe mode will show which ones are using flat polygons.
Thinking about it, that's probably why ps1 versions of games also take up more disc space than their saturn counterparts even if a game doesn't have fmv files. I haven't seen one ps1 game use less disc space than a saturn version yet to this day which tells me a lot about the systems compression format.
@@HellTantrumbull I'm not sure if there were other issues with the RAM carts behind the scenes, like perhaps the 4MB cart being a deal between Sega and Capcom, but I think one reason SNK didn't use it was simply due to timing. X-Men vs. Street Fighter came out in late 1997 with the cart. KOF '97 came out a few months into 1998 and was likely in development before the 4MB cart might have been an option for them. KOF '97 may have been SNK's last major, non-compilation, release for the Saturn before moving to the Dreamcast. Perhaps they would have considered it if they continued to port their games to the Saturn.
It's all an issue of memory. One thing the Neo Geo was good at and designed to do was quickly access giant ROMs as needed. Despite Saturn and PS1 being more powerful systems, being optical based means accessing the discs was slow, so the assets needed to be in RAM, which was quite limited for those systems. Removing frames was done to save memory for other things. As Sega Lord X pointed out, Capcom cut frames from X-Men Children of the Atom, so it wasn't unique to SNK. Marvel Super Heroes also had cut frames, though it also supported the 1MB RAM cart as an option and used it to restore those frames. No question the Saturn could handle the Neo Geo games just fine with more RAM available. Groove On Fight is an interesting example because the arcade version runs on the arcade version of the Saturn, but it's a ROM cart and it has quite a bit more animation than the home port as a result.
Imagine if Sega Shiro (son of Segata Sanshiro) was really made to bring back these Sega Exclusive Fighting games.
The Saturn has dozens of awesome fighting games but I must say I was a s little disappointed by the fact that no Samurai Shodown or The King of Fighters were featured here.
X-Men vs Street Fighter is much better than Marvel vs Street Fighter...and Marvel Super Heroes was also better than X-Men Children of the Atom 😝
The Dreamcast has some top notch fighters, but the saturn edges it out with a larger library of fighters and a better controller.
Agreed
Megamix could have easily become SEGAs answer to Super Smash Brothers
I absolutely think the Saturn had the best fighters in that generation am I wrong?
Tekken series was awesome at the time (especially 3) but Capcom 2D fighters aged waaaaaaaaaay better than any 3D fighting games and Saturn had the most and best versions. The Saturn's 3D lineup was at least a good debate vs PS1 too. I think Soul Calibur on Dreamcast might be the first truly timeless 3D fighter that hasn't aged poorly. Saturn has nearly a dozen 2D fighters that were never really eclipsed or aged poorly.
It's the best when it comes to arcade ports since 95% are much better than their PS1 equivalent, however the PS1 does have a lot of solid exclusive content, probably more than the Saturn, so it's hard to say, it depends on what you are looking for.
And the N64 sucks when it comes to fighting games for the most part.
Can't wait to see the next video Saturn vs Dreamcast who had the better 2D fighters?
I been collecting all the Sega PC versions of the games and Ive had no problems running them on Windows XP SP3 and I've even been getting the other companies titles like X-Men Children of the Atom is on the PC as well and they are just as good if not better than the Saturn versions
I have a few myself and they do run quite well. Now only if I can find that Diamond Edge 3D card bundle, that would complete the Saturn experience. Probably the best version of Virtua Fighter Remix and Panzer Dragoon on any system.
Man I've been scrolling just waiting to see if Children Of The Atom was mentioned. Definitely my most played Saturn Game.
Magneto is unbelievably hard in COTA!
Groove on fight is my personal favorite (maybe even favorite 2d fighter). I hope that sega re-releases the game at some point.
A game called “last Bronx” has two Japanese dudes fighting in a parking lot? 😂😂🤣🤣
Don´t forget CAPCOM GENERATION VOL. 5 :)
I always say SF Zero 3 on Saturn is the best looking and best playing game of 32 bit era. It's possibly the best console fighting game of all time. It's not that the other games aren't amazing, but Zero 3 is just 100/100. Alpha 2 that we got localized in the US seems almost perfect, then you put in 3 and it's even better.
Samurai Shodown IV also has the best home port in the Saturn because of the training mode!
Better than the ps4 port?
Sega Saturn is my all-time favorite system! It would be much appreciated if you did a retrospective on the software developers "Warp". Thank you.✌
Saturn definitely has some of the best 2D fighters out there bar none...many even besting the Dreamcast.
However, most of their 3D fighters were not very good.
I've wanted to play Pocket Fighter ever since seeing Puzzle Fighter and wishing it was a fighting game instead of a Tetris clone. Never knew I needed a Saturn for that.
And I don't think I've ever heard of Astra Superstars. It looks pretty cool.
And Alpha 3 is better on Saturn than Dreamcast? That's a surprise.
Now I want a Saturn even more.
It was also on psone and release in the alpha anthology on ps2. Not sure how the version on either of those are. I've only played the arcade version. Saturn is prolly closest tho.
Oh, I guess I got the wrong PS2 collection. Whichever one I got only had Puzzle Fighter. Thanks for the info.
just missed the king of fighters 97. amazing game.
regarding dc vs saturn, saturn was better in almost every genre.
That's going to be an interesting debate. The Saturn has the edge in terms of quantity, but the Dreamcast produced better accuracy.
no Fighting Vipers is just criminal
X-men Vs Sf would have been one on my list.
Saturn also has Capcom Generations 5 in Japan of course with Street Fighter II The World Warriors, Champion Edition and Turbo Hyper Fighting. It later got a release in North America as Street Fighter Collection 2 only on the PSX.
Yeah I stumbled across both collections for PSX in a thrift shop probably close to 20 ago now for five bucks a pop, mint condition complete.
One of the greatest finds and buys I've ever made.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu CG5 is by far my most played game on the Saturn. Plays near enough arcade perfect for me, and also has the remixed soundtracks option once you complete each game. Flawless imo.
The time I got my PSX and while playing Street Fighter Collection 1 and 2 since both those compilations were near arcade perfect ports from that point on there was no need to go back and play any 16 bit Street Fighter games for the Snes or Genesis home ports.
@@Albert8044
Most people only go back out of nostalgia anyway.
Unless it's a game that's near perfect or only appeared on the console there isn't really much of a reason to go back to ports of the 16-bit consoles.
Except of course turbo graphix 16/PC engine. That console still has some great games.
@@Albert8044 the arcade versions are missing the exclusive home port content so I wouldn't say the 16-bit ports are obsolete
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Cute em ups?
@@Nov-5062 They're like parody or weeb versions of Shmups
I recall purchasing Virtua Fighter 2 at Toys R Us back in the day for $65! Probably the most I had ever paid for a single game... And it was SO worth it! Another awesome vid SLX, thx 👍🎮
When my aunt bought me my Saturn it came with Daytona USA, virtua fighter 2, virtua cop for free lol
@@demonik1221 Because you bought the model 2.
I remember a couple years ago I cranked up the speed to max in Marvel Super Heroes VS Street Fighter and I was blown away how fast the fighters moved!
Another great list, enjoyed the video! I can't really argue with any of your picks, and kudos for including Astra Superstars which I really loved after I learned how to play it. If I were making my own personal top 10 on Saturn, I'd try to find a way to include Last Bronx & Rabbit, but it's hard to pull any out of this top 10. Tiny things: nowadays I prefer Fighting Vipers to Fighters Megamix, and my favorite of the SNK ports is KoF 96 for its fun factor.
I've got my own ideas about Saturn vs Dreamcast (your next video), and a lot of the comments already posted here are betting the Saturn will win because of the controller disparity. However, I'm waiting to see if you'll judge the game libraries as games only, assuming a decent fighting stick for both systems.
Super video as always 👍 These lists are very subjective so make for a good argument. 😀 I can't see how you can have VF1 on this list ahead of more mature 3d fighters such as Dead of Alive or Last Bronx... Fighters Megamix is the best fight game on any 32 bit system imho!
Played the hell out of Zero 3 on the Saturn back in the day, great to see it number 1 here :)
Curse it's extortional cost.
Great list but I would sub out X-Men COTA for Marvel Super Heroes and MSH vs SF for X-Men vs SF.
My poor Virtual On don't even get a mention, unlike his crapppy sequel on Dreamcast. It HURTS. :)
I love Virtual On, but I think a lot of people consider it something different from regular fighting games when it comes to lists like these.
@@ravagingwolverine Yeah, that seems to fall in the arena fighters/shooters genre.
I’ve never “accepted” Virtua Fighter Remix, I could just never take to it even back in the day. It just looks like a fan mod, the original release is just so iconic and holds such a special place in my heart due to its impact on me when I seen it in arcades and got the Saturn at launch. To each their own though, great list and, like the DC one, there’s so many we could all swap in/out.
I still love the PSX version of Marvel Vs Street Fighter and I still love SFA3 on PS1
No poner en el top 10 el Dead or alive es un delito, para mi el mejor juego de lucha de la consola.
I disagree I think the Sega Genesis and superintendent was fighting games looked very respectful to the arcade. With much much less hardware advancements. Mortal Kombat two on the super Nintendo and Mortal Kombat three are a masterpiece on 16 bit. Also alpha-2 on the super Nintendo is a miracle
Genesis has pretty weak line up of fighting games. Outside of Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat i would recommend playing only 3 or 4 games:
Fatal Fury 2
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Me as a twelve year old humanoid just seemingly getting a vibe far better than the fighting games this damn generation
Great list man! I absolutely love Samurai Spirits IV on the Saturn.
I enjoy watching Saturn focused episodes. Keep them coming SLX!
My favorite fighters on the Saturn are Fighting Vipers, Dead or Alive and Vampire Savior. I’m glad at least two of those got representation on this list but I would have rated them higher. Everyone has their preferences, though. Street Fighter has just never clicked much with me.
i guess for street fighter it is better than dreamcast unless youre using an arcade stick
stree fighter alpha was the best. there was a cheat at the end when you can play coop vs mbison with ryu and ken amazing
I really hate I didn't import street fighter alpha 3 on the Saturn. I knew it was gonna be one of the last Saturn games released, but I didn't bite. I grabbed street fighter collection USA version instead.
I grabbed SF Collection when Saturn US games were getting price slashed. I think I remember it was $18 at a Sears. I didn't even realize it had SF Alpha 2 Gold, thinking it was all older games. I hadn't really played the Alpha series and it blew me away.
If you don't have virtual on oratorio tangrem on here then don't even talk to me
Too bad Clayfighter Xtreme didn't come out on the Saturn.
Umm... Fighter’s Megamix had VF, Fighting Vipers and Sonic the Fighters. They did NOT have Virtua Cop characters. It did have Pepsiman as a guest though.
How come you didn’t have Last Bronx on the list?
Janet is from Virtua Cop......
@@SegaLordX Sorry, thought she was from Fighting Vipers
Last Bronx is pretty underrated.
Also Eternal Champions 3 was supposed to be on the Sega Saturn but was canceled by Sega of Japan because they thought it was competing with Virtua Fighter, which was a really dumb decision.
How on earth did X-Men vs Street Fighter NOT make the list of top 10 Saturn fighting games?!!
It did.
Yes and imagine shenmue, vectorman and Yakuza on the virtual fighters mix. This pretty much was there Sega version answer to the super Mario smash Bros. This I would believe would of had done better than Sonic shuffle
I would have ranked VF2 above Marvel vs Capcom.
I just had someone else in the comments section tell me that VF2 didn't even belong in the Top 10 on the Saturn. How about that?
What’s the best way to play VF1 on PC?
These king of fighters are not so great as Street Fighter
No power stone? Or VF 3 TB?.. cmonnow
16:56 Amen to that! The whole DLC, update, game-as-service model of SF5 is the reason I left the SF series after being a faithful fan of the series since 1992. Also I disagree on the fact that no other versions of SFA3 came close to the Saturn port. Many people forget about the PS2 version of SFA3 Upper. Not only does it feature all the animation (including the ones missing from the PSP and Dreamcast versions), it also features EX Arcade Mode, EX Versus Mode, EX Survival Mode, and EX Dramatic Mode... not to mention Hyper SFA... the ultimate CPS2 Street Fighter experience... all topped off with what the Saturn version lacks: no load time and Stereo sound. I say these features make the PS2 version superior to the Saturn version overall... even if it lacks World Tour Mode and PSP version's addition of nonsensical copy-pasted characters Maki, Eagle, Yun, and Ingrid. The other games included in SFA Anthology were just icing on the cake.
World Tour mode was a big omission to the PS2 version and the fact that losing to Bison meant an immediate Game Over didn't help
1- The King of Fighters '96
2- The King of Figuters '95
The King of Fighters '97 in Sega Saturn It was a bad port because of its sound problems.
Who says KOF ‘97?
@@sobesons Abbreviation.
Elias Viteri 96 ok, 97 not ok. Readme good.
Honorable mention - dead or alive
2nd
I watch your videos regularly! Really love these subjects. Own a lot of these‼️Looking forward to your comparison of Dreamcast vs Saturn as a Fighting Games system.
VF2, Fighting Vipers, Dead or Alive, Battle Arena Toshinden, XMEN VS STREET FIGHTER (Import) , Fighters Megamix, Last Bronx....
For me, hands down: VF2 >>> FV ("Pepsimaaaaan!!"), FMM, DOA, LB, VF Remix, VF, and maybe even the crazy Anarchy in the Nippon! And YEAH, I know I missed out BIG TIME by virtually not playing any of the utterly amazing 2D fighting games on the Saturn, but for some reason, I never really got into 2D fighters with pretty much the sole exception of Eternal Champions on SMD/SCD which I loved for its uniqueness in gameplay, art design, insane over-the-top gore factor and overall visual appeal. Even the music is great (composition-wise), though it's done with GEMS. Golden Axe: The Duel was pretty much the only 2D fighter I had and played on SAT, and while not being a genre highlight in any way, just because I loved the GA franchise, I kinda dug it.
no X Men VS Street Fighter......anything is wrong here!!
X-Men vs Street Fighter was here. I said its interchangeable with with Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter based on your preference of characters.
Thank you for noting the Sega Saturn NA controller.. its still the best dpad I've ever used.. madcatz tried to make a copy with the fight pad but it still didn't meet the quality of Saturn's. This system was 🔥 for fighters, and had its own gems from other genres, as it was during segas golden age. 🤎
I'd love to see fans port Marvel vs Capcom 1 on the saturn, I know damn well it would be possible considering it's engine was the same as every other capcom fighter the system had and the fact the ps1 could handle a half assed port of it.
Nice list bro, Fighters Megamix is my number one pick. The dreamcast had amazing fighting games it's just the Saturn had even more amazing fighting games, My pick SEGA SATURN
I love Fighters Megamix, and bought all of these games on the list when they were released. I remember when I finally beat Akuma in Amkuma mode, I am sure I broke a controller or two leading up to finally finishing it :) I was for sure mostly playing fighting games on my Saturn and that's ok, there were so many amazing ones to play.
That's my favourite video game genre by far. But I don't like all those "new" 3D fighting games, I'm strictly into 2D sprite based FTGs from the 90s and early 2000s, for example The King of Fighters and Street Fighter franchise and some others (old school).
I’ve just gotten into the Saturn catalogue with the Satiator and Brook wingman SD and using the 8bitdo arcade stick with it it’s really such an amazing console
Hey in all fairness Ultimate MK3 was damn near a perfect arcade port. MK2 was straight trash and to be honest MK trilogy was pretty good too, But UMK3 was top tier