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Ian I have to say you are born to do this and a million other things I’m sure but this, for sure! Most informative, no bull, cram packed presentation(s) available on TH-cam. You are the model for all other testimonial/tutorials. Thankyou and keep on truckin on!!
Great summary BUT the 2010 to 2013 cam head bikes had a lot more important updates than outlined here. The clutch was updated to over one a common problem with the thrust bearings on earlier models. The gear shift was also much improved and could be called slick - certainly MUCH better then the later liquid cooled bikes. Also the rear final drive unit got 2 updates (the last being the 2012 model year) which over came many of the weaknesses of earlier models. Finally, the troublesome fuel strip was finally replaced with a good old float in 2012 I think…although BMW have just released a fix for the strip. So, if you can go for a 2012 or 13 for a GSA. Folks also commented on the cost of shock replacement which is high. BMW will tell you they cannot be reconditioned which will rubbish. There are any number of shops in the US/UK and Europe that I am aware of which will rebuild and ESA shock for about £150 and give you a better valves shock back.
I'm just looking at a 2011 model 27k miles in the UK. It doesn't have ABS. So am I right that it was optional. My 1150 which has now done 91k Miles doesn't have ABS and it's not an issue for me.
Yes ABS was an option BUT I have never seen a later twin cam without it. I assume you don’t have ESA (electronic suspension) etc as well….so very basic bike. Nothing wrong with that at all.
@mac22011964 Ive not test ridden it or scrutinised it yet I've only seen it in the showroom very quickly. I'm not sure about the electronic suspension. I like basic, but if I'm stepping up from a 2000 registration gs1150 should I go for one with abs and electronic suspension...that's the question I keep asking myself. I do like basic bike though, that's what has always put me off the 1250. Too much tech. It's the twin cam oil cooled engine I like, the same as I have in my R nine T. Such a sweet engine.
Hi Ian great video. Owned several GS the first was a 2009 then I exchanged it for Honda CrossTourer DCT as I wanted a newer bike. Big big mistake because it was so heavy and after only a few months of ownership I exchanged it for a 2008 GS. Yes BMW really do need to make sure they don't make their bikes too heavy. So I had in the space of several months ended up with an older bike. But the advantage with that was I now had a bike without ESA and no Tyre Pressure Monitors. One of those cost me £250 to replace because of incompetent tyre fitter. Yes its great to have all the fancy technology but boy if it goes wrong your talking lots of money to get it repaired. Thats probably why so many still love the 1100cc & 1150cc.All that said after over 50 yeas of riding bikes tw0 three & four cylinders its the Boxer motor for me every time. Stay safe.
Great content, Ian! After a 25 year break in riding I got back into the game on a BMW650GS. Loved it and it convinced me of the BMW two wheel quality. It was a great bike, but I wanted a little better off road capability for my skill level (low). After trying to find an ADV/Dual Sport through most of 2021 I finally gave up on the idea and decided to have a dedicated road bike and an off road MC. Am now the proud owner of a 2007 R1200RT and a 2004 KTM 200 two stroke for $6500 combined. The RT is amazingly comfortable, and concur that cruise control and adjustable windscreens are the bomb! As for the KTM… it still scares the crap out of me and I love it.
Hi Ian just a small note, the 2007 model does not have servo brakes. Only 2005, 06 ran this system. So I feel if you are an enthusiast and wanted to dodge the electrics and possible servo issues the 2007 model might be the go to model. Personally I love the analogue gauges. Perhaps it’s an old man thing but as your reflexes slow and sight dwindle etc it’s nice to look down and perhaps through familiarity etc you spot rpm and speed fairly instantly.
Yup...just bought a 2007 with 25000km's on, I'm the second owner, and I asked the previous owner about the servos, he confirmed and have a note from BMW that the 2007 is servo free, look for the big holes on the slip ring on the left disc, servo brakes have small holes
Hey there! Just to let you know, I Just bought a 2007 GS to replace my '04 with 80k. One of the reason I picked this year is that it does Not have servo brakes. Just FYI.
I think the servo brakes were only 2005-2006. This is why the 2007 is special. The GSA camhead carried thru until 2013. LC GSA started in 2014. Big drawback to 2010 and earlier is the fuel strip for the gas gage. 2011 they changed to a reliable float. Thx for bringing this together.
When I first drove my GSA I was astonished how easy it was to drive it, like a bicycle!! When stopped it's like moving a dead whale, but when you start moving... Unbelievable!👍
I love my 07 1200 gs. I know I would appreciate a 1250 if I tried one, but the lower weight, and significantly lower cost of the used 07 I purchased makes me happy 😊. Thanks for making the videos, Ian. We appreciate the time and love you’ve put into creating them 👍🏼
I’ve had both. An ‘07 oil cooled like yours and a ‘14 liquid cooled. Nothing wrong with the LC but I sure wish I’d held on to the ‘07. Other than not being as fast, I liked it better in every way. It just had a certain intangible je ne sais quoi. Felt like it was carved out of a single block of Teutonic alloy. The ‘14 does everything right but just feels like a soulless Japanesque appliance thing.
I recently bought a 2007 1200 GS with 85,000 miles on it. It runs like new, and I actually prefer it to my buddy's 2021 1250. It's simpler, and I have never felt like it needs more power.
Ian, thanks a million for this video, I just bought a 2014 low mileage (22k miles) R1200GSA following your advice! I was really worried by the weight and size but the bike handles so much easier than I expected on and off-road! Unless you do rock climbing or single track trails this bike is great, even an amateur like me can take it almost anywhere! Thanks again for the advice!
Great video Ian! The definitive guide that everyone has been waiting for. I took weeks to do all my research and decide on a lightly used 2017.5 GS. I did consider the 1250, but a lightly used 2017.5 is the best value at the moment. I was able to buy one with thousands of dollars worth of accessories, on-road use only and only 10,000 miles for about $7000 less than a lightly used 2019 with no options. Keep up the great work! Another easy way to check if a 2017 model has the 2017.5 upgrades is that colored circle inside the speedo and tacho is blue.
Excellent commentary. BMW motorcycles are so unique they’re Guggenheim. Their aesthetics are not for everyone as is the case with most Art and where Art begins and ends. The ride characteristics are, you either love them or you do not. It is such a unique ride. For me these engines will change your life. In a good way. Again thanks for your contribution to the motorcycling community. We all benefit. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
Great info. I bought my 2013 purely on the basis of it having a wet clutch. I do all my own maintenance and couldn’t put myself through the possibility of having to change a dry clutch…lol.
A really informative video that nicely summarizes the nuances between the model generations. Could you make a video about the options and trim level packages for the 17.5-2020 bikes?
Great video I had a 7 gsa loved for 10 years, I didn’t even know they had a wet clutch now I’m thinking of going gs or gsa in 2021 this had helped a lot it would be great if you could do a in-depth difference video on a GS/ GSA 👍👍👍
Informative video! For 2013 dynESA and ride modes were NOT standard. I think you should make that clear in video. Those features ONLY came with the premium package. The base and standard models did not come with those options. Buying used can be confusing enough without "The Complete Buyers Guide" giving incomplete information.
This is a refreshing video and you have gone to a lot of trouble of assisting those that may need this info.Congratulations on this fine effort.Thank you.JHB-SA.
Very informative content mate. I will be changing my 2014 vstrom 1000 for a 1200/1250 GS in the near future, and I will certainly take a look at a '17/18 model. A few grand saved would be a bonus. Thanks again mate, subbed.
This is a great buyer's guide. I learned a lot about the GS. I feel that a GS or GSA may be in my future. This is also an interesting historical piece. Bravo!
Good shit Funny thing is BMW advertised the 2014 adventure as being 3lbs lighter thanks to an aluminium fuel tank. I think a clunky gearbox is just inherent to the boxer layout. Same reason as to why there are so many complaints about the quickshifter on the GS models.
Comprehensive video BUT there was a 'transition model' that BMW slipped in during late 2006/07. This model carried the styling of the 2004/5/6 model but adopted some of the changes they were to introduce with the 2008/9 model eg dropped the servo assist brakes, adopted the re-designed centre-stand etc.
Hi Tony I didn’t see this comment but yes they certainly did. I had a 11th month plated 2006 and the service brakes are gone. I was unaware of the centre stand change. I had noticed for a big bike it is rather easy to place on the centre stand compared to say a Tiger 800.
Thank you Ian for the effort put into this video. I own a 2010 camhead and always look to the newer R1200/R1250 but didn't figure out the exact differences with them. My GSA is in the limit of the weight I can manage comfortably so I guess I'll stick to it for a while. Cheers from Spain.
I had a K100/16v with servo brakes. Hated them so much I put off buying a GS until 2007 GSA. That was one great bike, and no servo brakes. Perhaps some of the '07's came with whizzy brakes, but not that I know of.
That was a very interesting Video. Yes, I have the 2017.5 model. So, I’ve still got analogue clocks (thank goodness), but the GPS gives me too much information and it’s also available on the dash too with the prod of a few (or a few too many) buttons. I’ve ridden motorbikes for 51 years & I have to say, this 2017.5 model is the dogs bollocks. Fantastic. Technology ruined the modern cars, but imporved the modern motorcycles. I love the Modes, Rain (we live in Europe) is great, Drive is my default setting, loads, luggage, tyres pressures etc, what on earth more can you want for, so for me the 2017.5 is my bike. The 1250 no doubt has it’s tweeks, but we are talking tweeks and I hate the dash!.(same dash as on a BMW Scooter!!). Kind of lost the plot? Give me clocks, a rev counter that goes up to the red, I can understand that, although I’ve never pushed (or needed to push) the 1200 much beyond 6000 rpm. It’s a waist of time. Shift assist is brilliant once you master it, hand brake control I use almost all the time, (another brilliant idea (stolen from the scooter world). I am living with this bike, day in,, day out, and in all honestly, I can NOT fault it. So, when I see a 1250, I’m glad to have chosen the 2017.5 last edition with real clocks but with pretty well all the upgrades, save the wiggly cams!…. . There’s little improvement only a weight gain as usual. Variable valve timing sounds cool, but as a Wbx engineer, ( I am a world famouis WBX Builder!!), it’s doesn’t wear. Nothing wrong with the fixed set up and the 1200 pulls immaculatly even when doing U turns at idle speed! (try it if you think you are cool, feet on pegs!!, full lock). It can be done, the engine never lets you down!. Yes, you need engine bars, everyone should fit them, you never know, it CAN happen, or rather it WILL happen. I’ve followed the GS for it’s whole life since the introduction of that weird GS800, my children are now grandchildren, but the bike survives, but I hate it. The 2017.5 really was the pinicle of this model because I followed it from the beginning as a senior techi. I’m afraid that from here, the GS will slowly sink down into a competitive electronic nightmare of what?……… This is my LAST bike (I’m 62) and I got my 2017.5 with 2500 miles for a bargain price, totally brand new. A typical executive toy, it never saw the rain, or much else. I’ve doubled the mileage in very few months, have recorded 100 MPH (once) and don’t intend on repeating the exercise, but the bike is far stronger and faster than I am at my age.90 mph is my safe limit and that’s fast enough. In life, you have to end somewhere!………. and if you make 62, you will probably think the same. I want the best as the last and in this, I know I have chosen the right bike. Thank you for the reviews, the love and dedication to this legend in motorcylce history. This is my last stop and I am loving it, every single day, come rain, sun or soon enough winter!. I know the GS 2017.5 will do the job perfectly!……………. and yes, it drives SO much better than any Africa Twin, even the new version, you can not compair. Ducatti or KTM?, the same thing, no comparrison. BMW have got the GS right at this point!……………. it’s a Wbx. I build them for a living, only the 4 cylinder versions!. Thank you and drive safe!……………..This is ‘the’ Bike.
Really appreciate the work you put into this. I must however note one factual error: you said that the use of the servo braking system extended to 2007 when in fact the use of that system ended in 2006. I own a 2007 and it uses standard ABS braking. The brakes are linked, but they do not use the servo system.
Hey Ian, Great video. I’ve got an ‘05 with low miles, but I’ve been thinking that if I were to come across a ‘17.5 at a good price I’d upgrade. If you decide to go with a 1250, let me know and maybe I can take your 1200 off your hands. Seriously. Again, just the video I was hoping for. Well done. Take care, AD
Great video. I am going to keep riding my ‘05 gs. It has plenty of power and performance for me. I did the ‘abs-ectomy’ when my servo started to fail. The older ‘17.5 model with analog gauges is most appealing to me of the newer bikes.
Thank you from Australia, your guide helped me select a model with confidence. Picked up a 2010 R1200gs with under 50,000Ks on the clock in near pristine condition.
I ride a 13' GSA. The last oil cooled GSA. Does not have ASC (traction control) but never felt I needed it. I do miss the cruise control, but have the Kaoko throttle lock which is good enough. I love the grunt on the low revs. I have never felt under power on the street. Must agree with the crank case quite rough . I am still keeping this one for several more years before upgrading. The ESA works very well. Nice weight, lots of service history. The best bike I have owned so far.
I purchased a 09 R1200 GS in 2017 well aware of the 2010 “upgrade". It's to heavy and complex as it is and I saw where it was heading and continues to go. I have NO plans to "upgrade". Watercooling a boxer defeats it's raison d'être and makes no sense to me. 100 H. P. Dirt bike,... Really? Plenty, thank you. Want to impress me? Make it under 400 pounds and 100.h.p...... Oh, wait. Is that a KTM Dealership up there?
Not bad and well explained overall. I have a 2017 BMW R1200GS Rallye here in OZ (Developed here in OZ for our Fink River Rally by BMW Melbourne) However you seem to have forgotten about in 2013 when they fully upgraded to the 1200cc water cooled engine that they also relocated the shaft drive to the LHS of the bike in an attempt to opposed the centrifugal forces in the engine so on power up or down the bike tends to "rock" much less due to the Boxer engine configuration disadvantage. From the Land of OZ
Amazing comparison between the models. New rider here, currently dreaming about getting a GS. Seriously looking at recents 1200 (2017.5) and also at 1250 as my second bike, both Adventure, so your video is welcomed. I would had appreciate to hear a little more between cons or issues related to each models/generations. For exemple, I read that 2008-2010 had gaz gage issues, or starter relay problems. I will use that motorcycle for expeditions and reliability is a main concern.
Tnx for the video - simple, lots of facts, easy to understand. Can you compare the 1100gs vs 1150gs vs 1200+gses - whats the diffs in feeling/handling, tehnology. And which is best in terms of reliability/offroad ability - I know its limited considering the weight .../ etc.
BMW recognises that the 1250 shift cam actuator is a liability and are working on the GS1300, to be released in 2022. If you can find a GS1200 2018, buy it! Otherwise wait for the GS1300.
Great job on this overview.. yes, once you have had the cruise control- you just want it again. I currently own the R 1200 GS WC 2013 - it is super, now with 68.0k on it. I’ve done 1,000 miles in a day traveling to Idaho & Canada from the country of Texas. I had a 2003 K 1200 GT before this bike - it got me hooked on the cruise control & was a great bike - put 80.0k on it but started to get uptight about the servo - jumped into the GS in 2014. I almost got rid of The 2013 R 1200 GS WC because of the stalling at low speeds - very dangerous. I found out it was just too lean a mixture at low RPM’s - installed a device for about $100.00 the makes it a little richer at low RPM’s & the bike has been great. Thanks for your good reviews - good job on the trailer reviews too! I’m looking at a Big Foot or Escape - did you consider those two? Thanks
Lol, with the water cooled engine having the clutch at the front made it easy to service. But NOW when the stator goes bad you have to pull the engine, pull the transmission and still remove the wet clutch to replace the stator. BMW needs to keep the wet clutch at the front of the motor, take out the stator (from the back of the engine) and reintroduce the alternator to the top of the engine for ease of service.
Now I'm wondering to spend my life savings for 2016-18 africa twin or 2013 gs ; Have first gen vstrom 1000. AT would better Complement vstrom, both adventures with vstrom being very road oriented and AT for more adventerous adventures :) With gs i know I would have to turn around in some terrain and onroad it would be prolly even better than vstrom and wouldn't make sense to keep old suzi. Hmm ;
I love how some of your takeaways in this video are that you wished you held out for the 1250, and to see how much you ended up loving your 1250A, and one of the biggest reoccurring comments was the weight needs to start going back down, which is has on your new 1300! Thank you for this video explaining the evolutions of the GS!
Porsche 911 went to a WasserBoxer in 1999. More Power, Better Mileage, Less Emissions. Porsche fans still adore the aircooled Luftgekühlt cars, but all the Benefits of liquid cooling could not be denied. Like when they added lights at Wrigley.
As usual great content. Have you made a video on how the GS/GSA is spec'd for the US? You can almost never buy a base version. All US models have the premium package and adds on from there. Then there is the low version, now the anniversary and then lighting and wheels package. For someone new to the BMW ecosystem, this can be confusing. The website isn't helpful either. Love to see what a potential or new owner need to learn before committing the 23-25K. Dealership tips and similar.
Interesting watch. I'm in the process of trying to trade my 1250 backwards to a 1200. The 1250 motor sounds terrible. There's an issue with the left cylinder that seems to have been left for dealerships to sort out with all sorts of haphazard attempts at assuaging owners' concerns. Also the changes to the fueling to meet Euro5 regs have some complaining of detonation and it's just not as simple as changing the map anymore. You can't do that with the 1250. I might look again at the 1250 in a few years but right now I wish I'd gone with the better understood 1200.
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Ian, you must have saved the world a lot of time collectively by cramming all that information in this video. Thank you.
No problem
Ian I have to say you are born to do this and a million other things I’m sure but this, for sure!
Most informative, no bull, cram packed presentation(s) available on TH-cam.
You are the model for all other testimonial/tutorials. Thankyou and keep on truckin on!!
I am currently shopping for a GS and this is the BEST, most informative review of 2005-present GS models! Invaluable.Thank you!
Same here.
Great summary BUT the 2010 to 2013 cam head bikes had a lot more important updates than outlined here. The clutch was updated to over one a common problem with the thrust bearings on earlier models. The gear shift was also much improved and could be called slick - certainly MUCH better then the later liquid cooled bikes. Also the rear final drive unit got 2 updates (the last being the 2012 model year) which over came many of the weaknesses of earlier models. Finally, the troublesome fuel strip was finally replaced with a good old float in 2012 I think…although BMW have just released a fix for the strip. So, if you can go for a 2012 or 13 for a GSA. Folks also commented on the cost of shock replacement which is high. BMW will tell you they cannot be reconditioned which will rubbish. There are any number of shops in the US/UK and Europe that I am aware of which will rebuild and ESA shock for about £150 and give you a better valves shock back.
I'm just looking at a 2011 model 27k miles in the UK.
It doesn't have ABS. So am I right that it was optional.
My 1150 which has now done 91k Miles doesn't have ABS and it's not an issue for me.
Yes ABS was an option BUT I have never seen a later twin cam without it. I assume you don’t have ESA (electronic suspension) etc as well….so very basic bike. Nothing wrong with that at all.
@mac22011964
Ive not test ridden it or scrutinised it yet I've only seen it in the showroom very quickly. I'm not sure about the electronic suspension.
I like basic, but if I'm stepping up from a 2000 registration gs1150 should I go for one with abs and electronic suspension...that's the question I keep asking myself. I do like basic bike though, that's what has always put me off the 1250. Too much tech.
It's the twin cam oil cooled engine I like, the same as I have in my R nine T. Such a sweet engine.
Hi Ian great video. Owned several GS the first was a 2009 then I exchanged it for Honda CrossTourer DCT as I wanted a newer bike. Big big mistake because it was so heavy and after only a few months of ownership I exchanged it for a 2008 GS. Yes BMW really do need to make sure they don't make their bikes too heavy.
So I had in the space of several months ended up with an older bike. But the advantage with that was I now had a bike without ESA and no Tyre Pressure Monitors. One of those cost me £250 to replace because of incompetent tyre fitter. Yes its great to have all the fancy technology but boy if it goes wrong your talking lots of money to get it repaired. Thats probably why so many still love the 1100cc & 1150cc.All that said after over 50 yeas of riding bikes tw0 three & four cylinders its the Boxer motor for me every time. Stay safe.
Great content, Ian! After a 25 year break in riding I got back into the game on a BMW650GS. Loved it and it convinced me of the BMW two wheel quality. It was a great bike, but I wanted a little better off road capability for my skill level (low). After trying to find an ADV/Dual Sport through most of 2021 I finally gave up on the idea and decided to have a dedicated road bike and an off road MC. Am now the proud owner of a 2007 R1200RT and a 2004 KTM 200 two stroke for $6500 combined. The RT is amazingly comfortable, and concur that cruise control and adjustable windscreens are the bomb! As for the KTM… it still scares the crap out of me and I love it.
Hi Ian just a small note, the 2007 model does not have servo brakes. Only 2005, 06 ran this system. So I feel if you are an enthusiast and wanted to dodge the electrics and possible servo issues the 2007 model might be the go to model. Personally I love the analogue gauges. Perhaps it’s an old man thing but as your reflexes slow and sight dwindle etc it’s nice to look down and perhaps through familiarity etc you spot rpm and speed fairly instantly.
Can confirm this, having owned a '07. Targeted it for being freed of it while still being the most lightweight GS. :)
Yes imo best is to have modern screen with all info and analogue rpm counter, optionally also speedo
Yup...just bought a 2007 with 25000km's on, I'm the second owner, and I asked the previous owner about the servos, he confirmed and have a note from BMW that the 2007 is servo free, look for the big holes on the slip ring on the left disc, servo brakes have small holes
Knowledge is power
I am looking for an air/oil head GS. Most likely will be focusing on 2010-12 models .
Thanks for this very comprehensive presentation
Great video. Personally I prefer your earlier work like “Sean of the dead” or” Hot Fuzz” but this stuff is still right up there.
Hey there! Just to let you know, I Just bought a 2007 GS to replace my '04 with 80k. One of the reason I picked this year is that it does Not have servo brakes. Just FYI.
I think the servo brakes were only 2005-2006. This is why the 2007 is special. The GSA camhead carried thru until 2013. LC GSA started in 2014. Big drawback to 2010 and earlier is the fuel strip for the gas gage. 2011 they changed to a reliable float. Thx for bringing this together.
This is DOPE! EXACTLY what i was searching for :) thanks mate
I have the 2020 r1250gsa and I am in love.....
So versatile and nimble when moving!! Great history👍
When I first drove my GSA I was astonished how easy it was to drive it, like a bicycle!! When stopped it's like moving a dead whale, but when you start moving... Unbelievable!👍
Thanks for Making this. I am looking
For an air GS and this solidified what I thought! Ride Safe
No problem
Thanks. Just bought a 2019 R1250GS based on this. Fingers crossed!
I love my 07 1200 gs. I know I would appreciate a 1250 if I tried one, but the lower weight, and significantly lower cost of the used 07 I purchased makes me happy 😊. Thanks for making the videos, Ian. We appreciate the time and love you’ve put into creating them 👍🏼
I’ve had both. An ‘07 oil cooled like yours and a ‘14 liquid cooled. Nothing wrong with the LC but I sure wish I’d held on to the ‘07. Other than not being as fast, I liked it better in every way. It just had a certain intangible je ne sais quoi. Felt like it was carved out of a single block of Teutonic alloy. The ‘14 does everything right but just feels like a soulless Japanesque appliance thing.
I recently bought a 2007 1200 GS with 85,000 miles on it. It runs like new, and I actually prefer it to my buddy's 2021 1250. It's simpler, and I have never felt like it needs more power.
Thank you for this matey, exactly what I needed. Just about to buy the 2018 GS.
great choice ride safe
Ian, thanks a million for this video, I just bought a 2014 low mileage (22k miles) R1200GSA following your advice! I was really worried by the weight and size but the bike handles so much easier than I expected on and off-road! Unless you do rock climbing or single track trails this bike is great, even an amateur like me can take it almost anywhere! Thanks again for the advice!
Great video Ian! The definitive guide that everyone has been waiting for. I took weeks to do all my research and decide on a lightly used 2017.5 GS. I did consider the 1250, but a lightly used 2017.5 is the best value at the moment. I was able to buy one with thousands of dollars worth of accessories, on-road use only and only 10,000 miles for about $7000 less than a lightly used 2019 with no options. Keep up the great work!
Another easy way to check if a 2017 model has the 2017.5 upgrades is that colored circle inside the speedo and tacho is blue.
Nice! congrats. I'm looking for the same, for the same reasons.
@@kee7678 this is my first GS and I'm really enjoying it. I keep asking myself why I waited so long to finally get one of these outstanding bikes.
@@astrobusa I asked my friend who owns a 2016 for his opinion and he said the same thing. "Wished he had bought one sooner."
@@ektalon1 .... I totally agree
Good appraisal. Just to note I have a late 2007 model. It does NOT have the servo assisted brakes that the 05-06 has.
Yes, I was going to mention that as well. I have an ‘07 GSA ABS and it doesn’t have the dreaded servo brakes.
Excellent commentary. BMW motorcycles are so unique they’re Guggenheim. Their aesthetics are not for everyone as is the case with most Art and where Art begins and ends. The ride characteristics are, you either love them or you do not. It is such a unique ride. For me these engines will change your life. In a good way. Again thanks for your contribution to the motorcycling community. We all benefit. Ride safe and ride often. Peace.
thanks
Wow, great summary and overview Ian. Thanks! Most of us have gained more weight than the GS over time!
So glad to find your video. It helps me a lot to make decision to buy which model of GS.... great work!
Thanks for your great effort! Very informative! What do you do for a living? You got so many vehicles in your garage! Keep on the good work! 👍
Great info. I bought my 2013 purely on the basis of it having a wet clutch. I do all my own maintenance and couldn’t put myself through the possibility of having to change a dry clutch…lol.
I had the budget and what was for sale last month a 2007 gsa or a 2009gs. I went for the gs and thanks to your video I know I made the right choice 👍🏼
A really informative video that nicely summarizes the nuances between the model generations. Could you make a video about the options and trim level packages for the 17.5-2020 bikes?
Great video I had a 7 gsa loved for 10 years, I didn’t even know they had a wet clutch now I’m thinking of going gs or gsa in 2021 this had helped a lot it would be great if you could do a in-depth difference video on a GS/ GSA 👍👍👍
i am thinking to buy 1150 GS year 2000 130k and replaced clutch from owner in his 60s he took good care about bike
Informative video! For 2013 dynESA and ride modes were NOT standard. I think you should make that clear in video. Those features ONLY came with the premium package. The base and standard models did not come with those options. Buying used can be confusing enough without "The Complete Buyers Guide" giving incomplete information.
This is a refreshing video and you have gone to a lot of trouble of assisting those that may need this info.Congratulations on this fine effort.Thank you.JHB-SA.
The servo brakes ended in 2006. You have them listed into 2007.
bravo, super informative, im personally on the brink between the 1200 and 1250, thanks for the effort the video is well done!
Thanks for watching!
This was well done and properly done... thanks for taking the time for such a quality presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it!
great review. considering a GS and this gives me the info needed to make an informed purchase
Fantastic video! Excellent content and detail level. Thanks for your effort!
Outstanding job once again with your information. Helps for future decisions in my purchase. Thanks for what you do! Good job young man.
I would love a buyers guide to the 700/50 and 800/50 buyers guide:)
Another excellent video, thanks for sharing. I think I will be looking for a 1250. Cheers
Very informative content mate. I will be changing my 2014 vstrom 1000 for a 1200/1250 GS in the near future, and I will certainly take a look at a '17/18 model. A few grand saved would be a bonus. Thanks again mate, subbed.
Brilliant and Thanks very much for taking the time and effort to produce this very informative Blog.
Just put a deposit on a 2019 gs hp, trading in my 2014 Bonneville t100. Thanks for all of your info
This is a great buyer's guide. I learned a lot about the GS. I feel that a GS or GSA may be in my future. This is also an interesting historical piece. Bravo!
Good shit
Funny thing is BMW advertised the 2014 adventure as being 3lbs lighter thanks to an aluminium fuel tank.
I think a clunky gearbox is just inherent to the boxer layout. Same reason as to why there are so many complaints about the quickshifter on the GS models.
Comprehensive video BUT there was a 'transition model' that BMW slipped in during late 2006/07. This model carried the styling of the 2004/5/6 model but adopted some of the changes they were to introduce with the 2008/9 model eg dropped the servo assist brakes, adopted the re-designed centre-stand etc.
Thank you I did not know that part!
Hi Tony I didn’t see this comment but yes they certainly did. I had a 11th month plated 2006 and the service brakes are gone. I was unaware of the centre stand change. I had noticed for a big bike it is rather easy to place on the centre stand compared to say a Tiger 800.
Great vid & content, really useful for my future GS purchase! Thanks and keep it up
no problem enjoy your GS!
I love the way I can muck around the farm, my last was a K1200GT, chalk n cheese, never go back to K bikes now age 76
Great video, just bought a 2014 R1200GS TE, after watching this I sort of wish I’d saved a bit more for a 2017 model
I’m getting a 2014 as well. Do you like it?
@@MVando640 yes I love it. Best motorbike I’ve ever owned. The only thing I’d ever consider changing it for is a slightly newer one.
Thank you Ian for the effort put into this video. I own a 2010 camhead and always look to the newer R1200/R1250 but didn't figure out the exact differences with them. My GSA is in the limit of the weight I can manage comfortably so I guess I'll stick to it for a while. Cheers from Spain.
Thanks
I had a K100/16v with servo brakes. Hated them so much I put off buying a GS until 2007 GSA. That was one great bike, and no servo brakes. Perhaps some of the '07's came with whizzy brakes, but not that I know of.
That was a very interesting Video. Yes, I have the 2017.5 model. So, I’ve still got analogue clocks (thank goodness), but the GPS gives me too much information and it’s also available on the dash too with the prod of a few (or a few too many) buttons. I’ve ridden motorbikes for 51 years & I have to say, this 2017.5 model is the dogs bollocks. Fantastic. Technology ruined the modern cars, but imporved the modern motorcycles. I love the Modes, Rain (we live in Europe) is great, Drive is my default setting, loads, luggage, tyres pressures etc, what on earth more can you want for, so for me the 2017.5 is my bike. The 1250 no doubt has it’s tweeks, but we are talking tweeks and I hate the dash!.(same dash as on a BMW Scooter!!). Kind of lost the plot? Give me clocks, a rev counter that goes up to the red, I can understand that, although I’ve never pushed (or needed to push) the 1200 much beyond 6000 rpm. It’s a waist of time. Shift assist is brilliant once you master it, hand brake control I use almost all the time, (another brilliant idea (stolen from the scooter world). I am living with this bike, day in,, day out, and in all honestly, I can NOT fault it. So, when I see a 1250, I’m glad to have chosen the 2017.5 last edition with real clocks but with pretty well all the upgrades, save the wiggly cams!…. . There’s little improvement only a weight gain as usual. Variable valve timing sounds cool, but as a Wbx engineer, ( I am a world famouis WBX Builder!!), it’s doesn’t wear. Nothing wrong with the fixed set up and the 1200 pulls immaculatly even when doing U turns at idle speed! (try it if you think you are cool, feet on pegs!!, full lock). It can be done, the engine never lets you down!. Yes, you need engine bars, everyone should fit them, you never know, it CAN happen, or rather it WILL happen. I’ve followed the GS for it’s whole life since the introduction of that weird GS800, my children are now grandchildren, but the bike survives, but I hate it. The 2017.5 really was the pinicle of this model because I followed it from the beginning as a senior techi.
I’m afraid that from here, the GS will slowly sink down into a competitive electronic nightmare of what?……… This is my LAST bike (I’m 62) and I got my 2017.5 with 2500 miles for a bargain price, totally brand new. A typical executive toy, it never saw the rain, or much else. I’ve doubled the mileage in very few months, have recorded 100 MPH (once) and don’t intend on repeating the exercise, but the bike is far stronger and faster than I am at my age.90 mph is my safe limit and that’s fast enough. In life, you have to end somewhere!………. and if you make 62, you will probably think the same. I want the best as the last and in this, I know I have chosen the right bike. Thank you for the reviews, the love and dedication to this legend in motorcylce history. This is my last stop and I am loving it, every single day, come rain, sun or soon enough winter!. I know the GS 2017.5 will do the job perfectly!……………. and yes, it drives SO much better than any Africa Twin, even the new version, you can not compair. Ducatti or KTM?, the same thing, no comparrison. BMW have got the GS right at this point!……………. it’s a Wbx. I build them for a living, only the 4 cylinder versions!. Thank you and drive safe!……………..This is ‘the’ Bike.
Thank you!
Really appreciate the work you put into this. I must however note one factual error: you said that the use of the servo braking system extended to 2007 when in fact the use of that system ended in 2006. I own a 2007 and it uses standard ABS braking. The brakes are linked, but they do not use the servo system.
Hey Ian,
Great video. I’ve got an ‘05 with low miles, but I’ve been thinking that if I were to come across a ‘17.5 at a good price I’d upgrade. If you decide to go with a 1250, let me know and maybe I can take your 1200 off your hands. Seriously. Again, just the video I was hoping for. Well done.
Take care, AD
The vid I have been looking for!
Just bought my first GS last week... let's see if I made the good choice (late 2017 R1200GS LC)
Me too. I'm loving mine. I hope your experience is the same.
548 lbs wet sounds like a lot until I think about my Harley Ultra Limited that is 896 lbs wet and what I will be replacing with a R1250 GS....
Haha, i also have a ultra, and every time Ian talk about weight ... I smile
And also look for the gsa ...
Very informative, great knowledge to have. Thanks
Great video thank you. At the end you mention that there are several other adventure bikes as good as the GS. Would you care to mention some? Thanks
Great content. Thanks for the video.
thank you for the great coverage
Any time!
Great video. I am going to keep riding my ‘05 gs. It has plenty of power and performance for me. I did the ‘abs-ectomy’ when my servo started to fail. The older ‘17.5 model with analog gauges is most appealing to me of the newer bikes.
Was it removing the servo and keeping it non servo assisted? Like a conventional bike? I just bought a 05 1200gs
Thank you from Australia, your guide helped me select a model with confidence. Picked up a 2010 R1200gs with under 50,000Ks on the clock in near pristine condition.
I really like the look of this bike. Bet it feel good to. To be sat upright and tall. I'm more used to a cruiser style.
Fantastic review. You just made life a whole lot easier for me. All I need to do is work on my budget. Thank you so much 🙏🏽
I ride a 13' GSA. The last oil cooled GSA. Does not have ASC (traction control) but never felt I needed it. I do miss the cruise control, but have the Kaoko throttle lock which is good enough. I love the grunt on the low revs. I have never felt under power on the street. Must agree with the crank case quite rough . I am still keeping this one for several more years before upgrading. The ESA works very well. Nice weight, lots of service history. The best bike I have owned so far.
Thank you very much, this info helped me a lot
Great work. Thanks.
Great informative video, thank you.
I purchased a 09 R1200 GS in 2017 well aware of the 2010 “upgrade". It's to heavy and complex as it is and I saw where it was heading and continues to go. I have NO plans to "upgrade". Watercooling a boxer defeats it's raison d'être and makes no sense to me. 100 H. P. Dirt bike,... Really? Plenty, thank you. Want to impress me? Make it under 400 pounds and 100.h.p...... Oh, wait.
Is that a KTM Dealership up there?
What they all say! Really good, informative video. Thanks.
Not bad and well explained overall.
I have a 2017 BMW R1200GS Rallye here in OZ (Developed here in OZ for our Fink River Rally by BMW Melbourne)
However you seem to have forgotten about in 2013 when they fully upgraded to the 1200cc water cooled engine that they also relocated the shaft drive to the LHS of the bike in an attempt to opposed the centrifugal forces in the engine so on power up or down the bike tends to "rock" much less due to the Boxer engine configuration disadvantage.
From the Land of OZ
Amazing comparison between the models. New rider here, currently dreaming about getting a GS. Seriously looking at recents 1200 (2017.5) and also at 1250 as my second bike, both Adventure, so your video is welcomed. I would had appreciate to hear a little more between cons or issues related to each models/generations. For exemple, I read that 2008-2010 had gaz gage issues, or starter relay problems. I will use that motorcycle for expeditions and reliability is a main concern.
i have the 2008 version, without esa. Currently 69000 km without any issue, and yes im also using for tours and sometime into the city.
Any plans for a 2021/22 update to this video? Another suggestion for a video is to option a GSA and explain in detail what each option does
ASC was on my 07, and has three modes. On, sport and off.
Hey, the Funduro was alright - speaking as a former owner.
Tnx for the video - simple, lots of facts, easy to understand. Can you compare the 1100gs vs 1150gs vs 1200+gses - whats the diffs in feeling/handling, tehnology. And which is best in terms of reliability/offroad ability - I know its limited considering the weight .../ etc.
Great info. Good work mate. 👍😄
Glad you enjoyed it
My '07 has Gen II ABS. Wasn't Gen II non-servo motor?
BMW recognises that the 1250 shift cam actuator is a liability and are working on the GS1300, to be released in 2022. If you can find a GS1200 2018, buy it! Otherwise wait for the GS1300.
BigRock ADV.. the old channel name.
Thanks
You looked at ALL THE MODELs YEARS SINCE 2005 !
Not all the BMW models..
Great job on this overview.. yes, once you have had the cruise control- you just want it again. I currently own the R 1200 GS WC 2013 - it is super, now with 68.0k on it. I’ve done 1,000 miles in a day traveling to Idaho & Canada from the country of Texas. I had a 2003 K 1200 GT before this bike - it got me hooked on the cruise control & was a great bike - put 80.0k on it but started to get uptight about the servo - jumped into the GS in 2014. I almost got rid of The 2013 R 1200 GS WC because of the stalling at low speeds - very dangerous. I found out it was just too lean a mixture at low RPM’s - installed a device for about $100.00 the makes it a little richer at low RPM’s & the bike has been great. Thanks for your good reviews - good job on the trailer reviews too! I’m looking at a Big Foot or Escape - did you consider those two? Thanks
Lol, with the water cooled engine having the clutch at the front made it easy to service. But NOW when the stator goes bad you have to pull the engine, pull the transmission and still remove the wet clutch to replace the stator. BMW needs to keep the wet clutch at the front of the motor, take out the stator (from the back of the engine) and reintroduce the alternator to the top of the engine for ease of service.
Thanks for a great video!
Thanks for sharing
Very useful, thank you! I literally was just shopping for a well used GS. I’ve decided to pass on it. 🥴
Glad it was helpful!
Now I'm wondering to spend my life savings for 2016-18 africa twin or 2013 gs ;
Have first gen vstrom 1000.
AT would better Complement vstrom, both adventures with vstrom being very road oriented and AT for more adventerous adventures :)
With gs i know I would have to turn around in some terrain and onroad it would be prolly even better than vstrom and wouldn't make sense to keep old suzi.
Hmm ;
thanks for informative video
Made me smile when you were clearly going to mention Long way rou.... then cut! 😀
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Breathe man✌️
From what i've been reading the 2007 GS 1200 does not have servos?
I love how some of your takeaways in this video are that you wished you held out for the 1250, and to see how much you ended up loving your 1250A, and one of the biggest reoccurring comments was the weight needs to start going back down, which is has on your new 1300! Thank you for this video explaining the evolutions of the GS!
Porsche 911 went to a WasserBoxer in 1999.
More Power, Better Mileage, Less Emissions.
Porsche fans still adore the aircooled Luftgekühlt cars, but all the Benefits of liquid cooling could not be denied.
Like when they added lights at Wrigley.
Great video! I've been going back and forth with which GS to buy and this is giving me a one-stop resource to go back and compare the models!! Thanks!
As usual great content.
Have you made a video on how the GS/GSA is spec'd for the US? You can almost never buy a base version. All US models have the premium package and adds on from there. Then there is the low version, now the anniversary and then lighting and wheels package. For someone new to the BMW ecosystem, this can be confusing. The website isn't helpful either.
Love to see what a potential or new owner need to learn before committing the 23-25K. Dealership tips and similar.
Coming soon!
I actually prefer the feel of the dry clutch :)
Interesting watch. I'm in the process of trying to trade my 1250 backwards to a 1200. The 1250 motor sounds terrible. There's an issue with the left cylinder that seems to have been left for dealerships to sort out with all sorts of haphazard attempts at assuaging owners' concerns. Also the changes to the fueling to meet Euro5 regs have some complaining of detonation and it's just not as simple as changing the map anymore. You can't do that with the 1250. I might look again at the 1250 in a few years but right now I wish I'd gone with the better understood 1200.
The best one R 1200 GS 2013 / 14 ( old one dry clutch oil cooled )
Very informative and extremely helpful as I am deciding on whether to go used or new regarding the GSA/GS. Thanks for the video, much appreciated.
No worries