Thank you for your honest opinion. I got off the BMW boat quite a few years ago. I started with an R100RS, then K75S, K100RS, and then I left the pure road bikes to enter the world of adventure bikes with the R-100GS, the R-100GS PD and finally the R-1100GS. Now, some days, when I wake up in the morning, I have the sweet taste of having dreamt about my first GS, the R-100GS. Personally, the best bike I ever had. Simple, human, affordable, light compared to the current emulations of the Titanic on two wheels. Without the need to have the dashboard of a Jumbo 747 and be equipped like an astronaut. I did the maintenance myself, because it was that simple. With it, I travelled through a multitude of countries in old Europe, up the winding roads of the Alps, floating across the great Hungarian plain, in the depths of Transylvania. Time with her passed slowly, and the sunsets were eternal. I wasn't afraid of anything. 210 kg, 60 hp, what more do you need. The only bike that felt like we were one because I knew all its deepest secrets.
@@XaosMorlan i agree 100% . The costs of this heavy monsters reached a peak no one can afford. Another reason to avoid a BMW is the unfriendly and arrogant service. Now with 72 and 54 years riding had one BMW, good bike but changed after 3 years for the japs again and the world was allright. Looking now for a mid size bike like a Honda CX 500 for better handling even in parking lots, a GS 1300 will kill me! One other reason is this whole electronic garbage i never needed in my life! Greetings from bulgaria i live now, looking forward travelling greece , turkey and naturely bulgaria.
Love the fact that you don't feel obligated to give any bike you get a raving review, I always think you give a positive outlook on the bikes you review but it is always honest and that is a great attribute.
Then consider the fact TMF is a committed GS fan and it is even more appreciated that he isn't following the crowd in proclaiming it the "best version ever"
A very useful and honest insight. Thanks Andy. Anyone walking into a showroom can immediately decide if they like the looks or not, but a quick sit on one or even the typical test ride won’t give insights into issues like the faff with luggage and pillion comfort etc. so I’m with you - my 1250GS is staying put.
Finally someone being honest and straight in a review. Its pricing is outrageous. Bike prices and service costs. Over a grand for valve service at triumph dealers for example is killing it’s own industry.
It’s a curious thing. One would think that product improvement would make servicing easier but in the case of so many modern bikes it’s just more trouble than it has to be such as the TransAlp air filter location (funny enough the F900GS has a really easy air filter change). Triumph might be proud of how long their valve service intervals on the new bikes but what’s the point in that if the service costs an arm and a leg?
I like the subtlety you added to the filming of this vid; whereby you're physically walking away from the bike as you describe each of the reasons for not wanting to buy one. Turning your back on it and walking away. This shows the thought and effort that you put into your videos. I also agree about the faffery that has crept into vehicles now, not just bikes but cars too. Menus within menus, endless scrolling. The only time I want to see a menu is when I'm sitting down at a nice restaurant!! It's already been said but no harm in reaffirming - great to see an honest review. Keep up the great work.
@@TheMissendenFlyer if they don't then they will lose business, constructive feedback is important to improving any product, imo if they aren't willing to take negative feedback then it wouldn't be a brand I would buy from.
They'd be stupid to take that position. It is not like Andy has slated every aspect of the bike. If anything, BMW ought to listen and learn if they want all the Andys ofthe world to change their minds for a future iteration of the GS.
BMW dealers will probably be more grateful that you are helping keep the used value of R1250GS at top notch. The new one appeals to a slightly different audience to the old one, so not cannibalising sales and used prices. Method they copied from Porsche.
I have a 2023 GSA after 2 Harleys over many yrs,I love my bike and im with you on the front light/radar thing,just doesn't look right for me,and I looked at one at the dealership and they filled in parts on the frame with plastic pieces to make it more sleek,but I like seeing parts of the frame from the side view,one last thing I do like the BMW dealership experience, service and parts etc,have been treated well,keep up the good work Andy😉
Love your honesty , so many TH-camrs seem to adore every bike the manufacturers lend them. We do watch your videos to see the bikes you are loaned but more so for your honest opinion. Keep up the excellent work 👍
Seems a metaphor for the world in general: peculiar obsession with tech rather than pleasure is making everything seem sterile. Thanks for your usual honesty.
That’s why I had a R9T until it got rear ended and totaled. Then I went to a R1200RT…quickly found out I missed the actual analog riding experience. Now I have a T120 and I’m back in love with the ride again. With motorcycles, unless you’re going 1,000’s of miles on trips… less is more!!!
@@Accurize2 I totally agree with you ... I had in the past a marvellous GS1200 year aniversary edition and loved it, but for me, it got too much complicated these bikes withing new gen´s ..... I now own a T120 and love it for its simplicity .... having a physical Key fob nowadays, it makes me grin every time I turn it on ....... cheers from Brazil
Tech was supposed to save paper, and give people more free time. Yet since the advent of the fax machine, more paper is being used now than ever, and people have less free time that ever. Go figure
Absolutely. I work for an OEM. I was at a meeting, and they said they didn't give a shit about any other brand and what they did. That other brands and similar bikes were not the competition. The competition was with used bike from the same brand. That meant that they have to make the new bike "better" and more compelling with more stuff and blah blah blah to make people go out and buy a new bike and not just buy a second hand one. Thats the world you live in.
I am delighted to watch your long term GS1300 review. I totally agree with you. I have a GS1200, 2016 model and it's (still) a great machine. Just returned from the S.o.France, no problem and 2500kms on the clock. Perfect. I have tried the new GS twice and after both extended rides I found the bike a bit cramped, heavy and that fu.....ng load of Electronic Switches, Menus, Oh my God! awful. Sure adaptive cruise is nice, but having even cruise on a bike is a big luxury, I don't need it to interrupt my driving. I actually found the cruise on the 1300 dangerous, whereas on my 1200, I can flick it off and on in a moment, no menu's required. And so it goes on, Heated Grips, have to go to a long menu while driving & almost anything you need to do is somewhere in that menu selection!. I don't think that is clever!... Bikes are not cars and simplicity is King. The new Engine and Gearbox? It clunks into 1st gear as badly as the old GS does, shift assist was always great, not much improvement, so I wonder why they bothered with the new engine anyway. It's not that smooth and the extra 100cc is totally lost on me, don't need more!....... So, the 1300 got a thumbs down from me & my trusty 1200 will live on for another few years......... Thank you for confirming my own thoughts. Keep up the good work!...
Thank you so much for the valued honest feedback!... Looking to buy my first GSA now and will most certainly go for a used 1200/1250!.. Awesome review!..
I agree with every point you mentioned Andy. It’s refreshing that you’ve been brutally honest, and not just lavishing the praise as you get given long term loan bikes from the manufacturer.
Just got back from a 2500 mile tour down to the Alps, spending 5 days enjoying the alpine passes. The R1300 functioned faultlessly and I quickly found the buttons / functions intuitive and easy to use. I did use a BMW top box which worked without issue but did not need panniers, I was solo riding. The biggest thing I noticed having done more than 100K miles of GS 1200/1250, is the amazing improvement in handling and feel when the road was wet or uneven. I was really impressed and would suggest if you want to plod on a bit quicker and were maybe considering a Multistrada then try the R1300, its amazing. 😊
I 100% agree. The price is insane. When you spec it in the Netherlands you can easily go to 30 to 37K euro! Insane. The front and back looks ugly. No real backlight also a no go. No I’ll keep my r1200gs lc. It does everything I want it to do.
Same for me.Just sticking with my GS1200LC, changing is simply not worth the cost, especially since I suspect the 1300 is not superior in all areas. I might try one to make sure though.
All absolutely fair and honest points. It's great that you make videos like these, so people can form their own opinion and doesn't get swamped in all the positivity new bikes, especially new highly-marketed bikes, tend to get! Keep on keeping on, Andy!
I work nights and often have time on my hands to watch content from all the vloggers, I've watched a gazilliion things from all the usuals, yourself, teapot one, richy vida, username kate etc etc yet rarely comment, but i feel compelled to applaud your honesty Sir. Wasn't expecting that outcome given your history with the GS family.
Well done Andy - it’s about time someone was honest and called out the new GS for what it is, warts and all. Far to many reviewers treat the GS as some sacred cow we all need to be in awe of.
Agreed. I rode the R1300GS for four days in Germany late last month. The balance and handling at speed are terrific. But the complexity to do formerly simple things confounded and frustrated me. Halfway through my tour, I accidentally turned on the heated grips. After about 15 minutes, I figured out how to turn them off, but - and this is something that is only funny in the movies - I inadvertently turned on the heated seat ! I never could figure out how to turn that off, so I sautéed my nuts for two days. The power-assisted center stand is more bother than a convenience. The thing starts to lift the bike as soon as you get one point of contact down, which starts to tip the bike precariously and caused me some alarm a couple of times. I believe the power assist feature was developed because BMW discovered the weight and balance of the bike made the conventional physical lifting onto the center stand nearly impossible. This smacks of a failure of engineering foresight. Overall, nice bike, but a big pass for me. Not interested.
@@MrFlowerfred agreed , these features are easy things to master unless you are of a certain age in which case you probably shouldn't be riding a modern bmw and stick to a royal enfield.
On the strength of many previous reviews of the 1300GS I went out & bought myself an R1250GS with only delivery mileage on it & I am delighted with the bike. Your review proves my purchase right. I paid just under £16k for a Triple Black TE with just about everything thrown onto it including the luggage &, honestly, I’m getting the feeling that the 1250GS will be the ‘peak’ variant in years to come, AKA the Land Rover Defender. BMW have forgotten who the GS is aimed at. Thank you for an honest review, Andy 👍
Couldn't agree more. After a cancer bout lost some muscle mass plus as I head into my 60s and struggling with my Gs's weight and about due a change. Wanted a smaller gs really, eventually after test riding a few bikes got to go out on a Triumph Tiger 900 gt pro new 24 model " Bingo" yes it not the same but its very close. 10 k cheaper than your spec, buttons for heated seats, grips, fog lights all back lit. Only rode it for 1.5 miles with Mrs on the back first stop at traffic lights she said this feels nice and I said this is the one. After two hour test ride deal done now an owner and definitely no regrets. Go try you may get a pleasant surprise.
Well done for an honest review. Too often these days products are discontinued or updated for no good reason other than to prompt a new sales surge. The GS has been around for over 40 years, and by the 1200/1250 models it was as good as it's going to get. The Royal Enfield Bullet is an example of how a bike can remain little changed for decades and still be popular.
as an owner of both, I agree! The low-tech simple pleasures of the Enfield are simply wonderful. It's a total grin every mile. The R1200RT is, to me, as much tech as I'll ever want and I see no need for more.
I so agree... so much I just recently updated my 1200 to a 1250 only really to get rid of the old school analogue dash you can never read the speed on! The 1200/1250 are fantastic machines with road presence and a real immersive feel when you are riding them
About eight years ago I got made redundant, right after moving house with a big mortgage attached, so had to sell my two modern expensive bikes. In their place I bought an old cheap R1100RS for two grand so I could at least keep riding. It was an eye opener. I came to realise that you really don't need to spend bucket loads on the latest tech laden hyper tourer to get maximum enjoyment. The RS was back to basics biking and all the better for it. I did get another job quite quickly, but I kept that bike and still have it to this day. It's done countless two up trips including four through Europe and the only issue I had was with the abs a few years ago. You really don't need to spend such an insane amount of money to get a good long distance mile muncher. In fact sometimes, less is more
I am on my 7th GS (1250GSA) and have no interest in this bike. I have had latest for 4 years and really happy with it. For all the comments you make that I am sure are all valid, the cost for me is ridiculous and is the main reason I won’t even go anywhere near it. I am glad that you been honest about your feelings and hope that this doesn’t restrict access to further bikes to review from BMW.
@@maxflight777inferior to what? the 1300? the people riding it don’t do it for power or performance, If they do they have gone for the wrong bike, No gs is fast or great handling. The looks are awful, The tech is worst placed and functioning than any other bm in the past. I have a gs but it’s not my main bike nor do I think anything in its class is a huge performer however for 4-500 mile days it’s brilliant and better than the 1300 imo i had a demonstrator for a weekend and didn’t like it. Not worth the money or the time .
Great review and your honesty is admirable Andy. Bought my 2003 1150GS back in 2011 for €3,400 and still have her to this day. Value for money in every respect. Hope to see you at the ABR.
Totally agree with everything you said. I have a 2014 R1200GS like you, and much prefer it and it's character. I took a test ride on the 1300 and spent more time looking at the screen than the road trying to adjust things. They already have an S1000XR for speed touring so why ruin the GS (IMO). Great honest review as always.
Your biggest strength is your honesty. I always listen to your opinion of any bike I buy. I was in Triumph yesterday talking to the manager and he was telling me about a TH-camr that they regularly loan bikes to, he said it’s a running joke that the TH-camr never criticises their bikes, they actually want to hear the bad stuff too.
At last someone with the balls to say what everyone else was thinking & saying in private, apart from from certain content creators with a vested interest in not rocking the boat. I'll be keeping my GSA1250 Rallye HP, its awesome. See you at ABR Fest!
A very fair & balanced conclusion after six months of use. A good, used R1200GS can be bought outright for less than the likely first 2 years depreciation of the 1300 - and a 1200 is arguably a better bike. Seems to me that manufacturers are using electronic features to justify price, but I think they're barking up the wrong tree: real.motorcyclists value simplicity & visceral experience over trinkets & gadgets.
I agree with you and also admire your honesty. One of the things I like about my 2017 R1200 GSA is the simplicity of the controls. Everything I need to change modes or other functions are intelligently placed and simply require a simple button push. It is really distracting to have a complicated control system. The lack of the superfluous makes for a more enjoyable and safer ride. It is also a very comfortable for someone of a taller and broader stature such as myself. As far as weight is concerned, I used to ride a 900lb American V-twin. When I first sat on the BMW what surprised me was how light it is compared to my previous motorcycles and how much less vibration. It has character without histrionics. You have a fan from the USA here.
@@colindeans5972that’s got nothing to do with it at all. The world’s prices have gone crazy, Pcp isn’t the cause. Look at the business costs for a start have doubled, Everyone on here posting will see costs across the board going crazy BMW are not excluded from this and being a “premium” brand pre price hike just makes this worse. The list price for a basic bike is 16-17k which isn’t bad really considering every other bike in its class are the same price or near as dam it.
Being good plodding tractors is why the proper old Beemers were used for long tours & treasured by their owners. These new modern Beemers are for IT nerds ,gamer boys, accessory junkies & riders who like to stand up on foot pegs with the stance of a demented meerkat .
Wow, forget 'how many students can you fit in a standard Mini?' - today it's ' How many meerkats can ride along while standing-up on a Beemer GS?' ! (Any action footage of them testing their IoM TT chair-outfit would be absolute gold! : )
The 'proper old Beemers' were never really my style, but they were (and are) treasured for their reliability, simplicity and comfort. The current ones are vastly over-complicated. And you, masked avenger, are Deon Meyer, and I claim my kilo of impala biltong!
Thanks TMF, you have been very clear, concise, and honest with the reviews on this bike. I also have now decided on upgrading my 1200 to the 1250. Which strangely enough are selling well. Spoke to the local BMW salesman, he also said they expected more sales of the 1300, and that used 1250's are selling fast. Me, I don't need more power, I want touring comfort, versatility and 2 up riding. I do not need the tech, price or those silly side pods. Thanks again for your efforts, you a one of the best in this field!
I agree with your review 100%. I have a sorted 1250 and recently rented a 1300 for a 2 week 1200 mile Spain tour with my wife. She and I both commented how much easier it was to ride our factory low 1250 vs the 1300 with the adaptive suspension. I thought it was just us that had such a problem getting the new one off the stand. Glad to learn someone else had the same experience. We did enjoy the phone charging storage on top of the tank and the factory USB port in the top case. It allowed my wife to keep her iPhone charged while taking lots of great pictures and videos on our ride.
Well, as a 2015 GS owner for nearly 18 months, and an 07 oilhead before that, I've followed almost all your GS vids. I knew from day one when you got the new 1300 it was only a matter of time before you posted This. Am I surprised No because as you say, the new bike has everything..... BUT what it isn't is a GS !!! Great Honest, and to the point
Brilliant Andy. You’ve captured in your series of videos what a lot of people are thinking and talking about. Hopefully BMW motherland are listening you… and your wife, and all the other reviews on TH-cam and will get it right with the new Adventure, then bring out a GS version 2 as well. Two up comfort is so important and on the NC500 at the weekend my mate handed us all his 1300 topbox …. It weighs a ton compared to the aluminium box and he told us the panniers are just as heavy. It’s just baffling what was going through the designers heads on this bike.
@@maxflight777 All very subjective. Idiotic and wrongul a bit strong! I think a lot of bikers think prices have gone a bit mad - this one does but just my opinion.
@@MrSupercampeao I agree with you. And half of the stuff in that list is basic engineering found on bikes that cost £6k; the other half is stuff nobody wanted or asked for.
This is exactly why I keep coming back to watch your content, unlike some other youtubers I won't name who rush out to buy the latest bikes :D Honest reviews! I love my 1250GS and it would take a lot to make me part with it! After just returning from a 3200km ride over 6 days, I'm even more in love with it! Keep'em coming!
Thank you Andy. Good to hear your opinion. I will keep my BMW 2018 GSA R1200, plus I’m still amazed by this bike. Soon going to ride Southern Africa. Florida, USA
Convinced this is why many people are turning their backs on a lot of these big, digital, bikes in favour of smaller capacity, simpler, bikes, myself included. Currently got 3 bikes but will be going back to 2 or even 1 as the costs of looking after them all is crazy, plus home maintenance is not straightforward like the bikes I learnt to ride on 40 years ago. Looking at relatively lighter weight adv bikes like the Himalayan and cf Moto 450mt etc.
Good honest review, highlighting some of the features / issues that once the fanfare of a new bike has worn off, may start to irritate. When I'm riding with generally pretty thick gloves, I want accessible buttons, not menu options.
'Basic pleasure of riding a motorcycle'. Perfectly summed up. I've no plans in upgrading my 1200gs nor my 100rs. As Mickey Flanagan might say 'proper motorcycling that gets you out out!'.
I am surprised Andy you didn’t grow to love it, I can see why you don’t like it on what you said in the video makes sense, good review like your honesty 👍
Fair comment, my 1200 GSA was plenty quick enough, currently on a R1250R which is super. The looks of the new GS would be a deal breaker too, it’s so fugly.
Great statement. Huge kudos to you for your honesty. In many ways, this was kind of like a review of where the entire motorcycle industry has gone - particularly regarding large adventure bikes.
Hi Andy, wonderfully honest summary. Proof (not that it was needed by us regular viewers) that you’re not in cahoots with anyone. I shall be sticking with my R1200GSA (which I bought on your recommendation!). I like my 🚜! Chris
Credit to you for someone who is a proper GS fan it’s great to give your honest review and the old lass in your garage will take you way ever and back maybe they got it right the first time
It’s almost as if BMW don’t get why the older model is so appealing and they’ve built out lots of the appeal! Give me the 1200 or 1250 any day! You’re a wise man Andy 👏😀👍🏍
I was riding down to Bournemouth at the weekend and an old model GS came up behind me he just kept his distance and hovered behind but every time I looked in the mirror this massive GS was there imposing itself, something I don’t think this new bike will ever have. Great honest review Andy.
Great honest review. I've got a 1250 GSA and love it, but find it difficult with the wife onboard. So I just picked up a 2024 Goldwing tour to park beside of it, lol. Wife loves it and easiest bike to ride 2up I've ever had her on. Love the channel.
Great final review on the new GS, I must admit you have hit the nail right on the head. Me I've gone for the new F900GSA it's a great bike and 900cc is ample for me. It has the styling and characteristics of the 1250GS. Just love it. Thanks for another great review Andy 👍
@@maxflight777 quite clearly the 1250 isn't inferior in every way compared to the 1300 as Andy pointed out multiple times in this video. Plus people travel huge distances on all types of bike, from 50cc mopeds to Goldwings, so your trip would have been perfectly possible on the 1250. However the 1300 does look a fine machine (though I'd not buy one if for no other reason the lack of a rear light, which sounds less than safe in my opinion, and I'd not trust idiots in metal boxes to notice the indicators are doing the job of the brake lights as they wouldn't be looking out for those)
@@kentishmale1969 The lights are a mistake, I agree. Like many things it’ll be quietly ditched in a future iterations like the jab a screen for all functions in cars. Just daft and unsafe.
I am currently on my 2nd LC R1200GS, before that i had an AC R1200GS and I have also owned the F800GS. My first bike was a R1150GS. I have enjoyed and appreciated all of them but none of them have put a smile on my face as big as the one that i got riding the R1300GS demo last weekend. Would love to own one.
Had a 1200GS before. But now I am older wanted something lighter and easier to live with so bought a Honda CB500X. No complicated tech, has enough power for cruising, comfortable (me 5'9" and wife 5'3") and very economical to run and maintain. Finally it was a quarter of the price of the new 1300GS.
Agreed. I think BMW misjudged the market on their pricing. Also I think BMW redesigned the machine to have more of a supermoto look and feel but as Andy points out it hurts its touring ability and two up comfort.
Thank you for your candid assessment of the new R1300GS, Andy. Other than its tall seat height, I love my '21 R1250GSA. I went to my local BMW dealer and sat on the new R1300GS and I was impressed that as a shorty (30" inseam) that I could get my feet flat on the ground. Tempting, as with my GSA I'm on the balls of my feet, which while ok most of the time, can lead to some exciting moments at slower speeds when navigating obstacles. Given the escalating bike prices and service costs - the 12,000 mile service on my GSA at the local dealer is $1,200 USD - I think I'll wait on a new GS and see what the future holds.
Totally agree! I went from a 1200GS Standard suspension to a 1250GS Low suspension and absolutely love it. And have managed to add the “Sport” menu for added fun and take it to the track.
Hi Andy. Thank you for the honest review. I bought my GS 1200 at the end of last year, recently toured Wales on it with friends and found it to be a very capable and comfortable machine. It does everything well and is not crammed full of electronics or gizmos that make a bike a faff and hard to use. I don’t know where this tech will end up but I won’t be buying into it, that’s for sure!
I also 100% agree with the sentiment that its become less utility, more speed. I said that as a comment earlier at another vlog from a punter who got one was nearly mauled alive. Additionally to your comments, I found my 30min test ride on one quite a bit more buffety than previous gen GS. On the positive side, one thing I really liked was the observant quality and finish of the mechanicals. No more naked alloy lathed surfaces post paint shop, no nasty naked metal edges for crap and water to stick on and start the bubbling etc. I bet you these (electronics a bit of an unknown) will cosmetically last a lot better than anything BMW since 2004. Thus I would wait and want to see an RT or a GSA version of this generation.
Just took delivery of my new R 1300 GS Trophy today. I love the looks and the new powertrain is an absolute stunner. Not sure why such a big backlash on the headlight, but I think it looks fantastic.
I dont own a GS 1300 but I think it looks great and has some interesting new features which make it worth considering. It seems like all those with older GS's are getting hot under the collar because its expensive? If you dont like it or cant afford it. Dont buy it, keep your old bike. In the meantime those that do and can will no doubt enjoy it. Simple really.
Thanks for the honest review. I’ve watching your brilliant and fun reviews since you started, and would LOVE to see you do a “Who was the best of the best” video. You, like the rest of us riders have that “one that got away” or shoulda kept. Cheers!
I have a 8 1/2 year old 1200RS I’ve owned from new. I love it. 44,000 miles, serviced and maintained by myself. I just bought an 1150RS. Low mileage and in great condition. It is fun to ride and is so quiet when running. I have a friend who has a 1300. Listening to it alongside the 1150 makes me wonder where BMW went wrong.
Husband & rode the new 1300 over 1250 miles on tour recently - we were keen to compare with our 1250GS . We agree with many of your comments. The bike feels very agile and nimble on the move ,the engine is responsive and the quick shifter smoother than the 1250. The new rear suspension is a big improvement and the bike is easier to lift onto the centre stand even with luggage.As pillion positives are foot peg position and general comfort ( downside of our 1250 is the vario topbox which is angled forward making it uncomfortable) Totally agree re new luggage - central locking is a faff and the topbox seemed flimsy.1300 feels heavy to get off side stand due to lean angle, gearbox seemed noisy around 2500rpm in traffic and the engine whilst more refined has lost some of its character. Totally agree with your comments re scrolling through tech menu and the look of the bike especially from the front . We’ll be keeping our 1250 !! Thanks for your great reviews
Always enjoy your work, thank you. I know you qualified your comments as a personal perspective and I followed your reasoning, except with regard to weight. I understand the R 1200 GS, you mentioned, has a curb weight of about 245 kg, while the 1300 is 237 kg, a small but significant improvement. They will both weigh more with bags and a center stand. Perhaps the BMW luggage has become heavier, but it won't be long until lightweight alloy aftermarket options become available. I haven't had a chance to get the misses on the back yet, hoping she has a better time on it than yours did.
Thank you, I bought my 1200 when you bought yours around 2014 and would have bought 1300 if you had done so. Was waiting for this. I love my 1200 too much.
Well what can i say I don’t often see eye to eye with you Andy but what a totally honest brave review so many just big bikes up for the sake of it and talk bollocks . Well done .
I agree about menu driven settings over buttons, essential selections such as you mentioned, heated grips, seat and windscreen height should be at the simple touch of a button. Having to search through a menu whilst riding is downright dangerous.
It could be argued that the old 1150 GS Adventure was the ultimate GS and it just went downhill from there. It was heavy, it was pretty slow, but it was one hell of a travel companion. A real mammoth of a bike.
My 8-year-old GS is exactly what a GS is supposed to be, comfy, rugged, go anywhere with easy to manage electronics. I'm right there with you, thanks for the review.
Apologies for the late response to your video, but this is, in my opinion, your most informative and straight-to-point bike summary to date. I think you speak the minds of many of us regarding this new GS.....a fantastic engine, but over-complicated features and less competent in the 'all important' passenger and luggage departments, compared to its older siblings. All in all, a super job sir.
Completely agree. But I am grateful to this bike. As a GS virgin, I had never even considered a 1250 GS or GSA - too big. But my Ducati Desert X was too uncomfortable for distance so I test rode the new 900GS. No different to the Ducati. Try the new 1300 said the salesman - so I did. I was amazed - this is an incredible bike. so agile! I was blown away - but £23 grand. Hmmm. So I thought, I will have another test ride just to be sure. And I would also like to test the 1250 GSA - just to compare.... An hour on both, back to back and I still really liked the 1300. But I LOVED the 1250. I was amazed. Managed to get an ex demo '23 Trophy with less than 100 miles at £8 grand less than a new 1300 would be!! 8 GRAND!! 9 bikes in the garage - I get on the 1250 every day. Love it!
Thanks for honest feedback. I have a 1250 and am super happy with it, and will consider the 1300... But, i think it will take some time before i actually change,
Well considered as ever Andy. I have a GS1250 TE that was being serviced so I had a GS1300 for a few hours. Speed and Agility are great . The big downsides were the hard as a rock seat (it had the comfort seat fitted) and the new screen which was too small and caused buffeting. A replacement screen was not advised as it ruined the electric screen motor. Lastly the Vario luggage it not available. A noble effort but I'm keeping my grand old 1250 for a few more years.
That‘s what I call a honest review..! I agree with every positive point but the points you mentioned as negatives ones are exactly what I do like, as well. The new esthetic, the new features, the new punchy motor, even the new luggage system, those are things that made me trade my beloved 1250 for the new 1300. Even the price is ok if you take into consideration all the new things, and I suppose they will fix the problems with the luggage sooner than later. But anyway, kudos for not being afraid of criticizing the new GS. Everybody should listen to reviewers like you, AND try by themselves before purchasing to be able to make the right decision. Saludos.
really appreciate the honesty of the reviews you do andy. i’ve worked in the bike industry as a freelance road tester and i know the ( let’s call it ‘passive’ sway) that can be on you with advertising revenue etc. nice one mate
Thanks Andy, and you are right, I tried to buy few motorcycles in my 55 years long life with my brain, opposed to my heart, and while they were great machines, I hated riding them, I absolutely agree that how a bike looks is crucial for the buying decision, even though, it might not make sense, and seem childish to some, after all, who cares about the light and what it looks like, I don't see it when I ride anyway, so who cares.... but I get it, and 100% on board, I regretted every bike I bought that I was not in love with, even though it was great bike from a machine point of view. Also thanks for the honesty, you managed to build your business while being honest and still having good relations with dealers that can provide test bikes, that is admirable
What a nice and honest review. I disagree with you though. I've kept my 2021 GSA and I've got the 1300 Tramunta. I never thought I'd like another bike as much as that 1250, but the 1300 is now my favourite. It's just so much fun to ride. The menu structure doesn't bother me and neither do the looks. It's just a blast. I'm taking it around the Baltic in a couple of weeks. That said, I'm going two up to Portugal a few weeks after and that I'm doing on the 1250. With a pillion that's just a more suitable bike. I guess I'm lucky to have the choice.
I’m with you on this, but the adventure version may change that for me going forward. I traded my GS for an RT last year and I’m happy for the moment. To be honest the new GS hasn’t tickled my bits to a point of, ‘I must have it’.
It’s a breath of fresh air when someone gives an honest opinion this is why we follow this channel
Thank you for your honest opinion.
I got off the BMW boat quite a few years ago.
I started with an R100RS, then K75S, K100RS, and then I left the pure road bikes to enter the world of adventure bikes with the R-100GS, the R-100GS PD and finally the R-1100GS.
Now, some days, when I wake up in the morning, I have the sweet taste of having dreamt about my first GS, the R-100GS.
Personally, the best bike I ever had. Simple, human, affordable, light compared to the current emulations of the Titanic on two wheels. Without the need to have the dashboard of a Jumbo 747 and be equipped like an astronaut.
I did the maintenance myself, because it was that simple.
With it, I travelled through a multitude of countries in old Europe, up the winding roads of the Alps, floating across the great Hungarian plain, in the depths of Transylvania. Time with her passed slowly, and the sunsets were eternal. I wasn't afraid of anything. 210 kg, 60 hp, what more do you need.
The only bike that felt like we were one because I knew all its deepest secrets.
@@XaosMorlan i agree 100% . The costs of this heavy monsters reached a peak no one can afford. Another reason to avoid a BMW is the unfriendly and arrogant service. Now with 72 and 54 years riding had one BMW, good bike but changed after 3 years for the japs again and the world was allright. Looking now for a mid size bike like a Honda CX 500 for better handling even in parking lots, a GS 1300 will kill me! One other reason is this whole electronic garbage i never needed in my life!
Greetings from bulgaria i live now, looking forward travelling greece , turkey and naturely bulgaria.
Truth. Poetry.
Love the fact that you don't feel obligated to give any bike you get a raving review, I always think you give a positive outlook on the bikes you review but it is always honest and that is a great attribute.
I appreciate that!
Then consider the fact TMF is a committed GS fan and it is even more appreciated that he isn't following the crowd in proclaiming it the "best version ever"
A very useful and honest insight. Thanks Andy. Anyone walking into a showroom can immediately decide if they like the looks or not, but a quick sit on one or even the typical test ride won’t give insights into issues like the faff with luggage and pillion comfort etc. so I’m with you - my 1250GS is staying put.
Finally someone being honest and straight in a review. Its pricing is outrageous. Bike prices and service costs. Over a grand for valve service at triumph dealers for example is killing it’s own industry.
Agree but thats not the case with a boxer engine. You can easily reach the valves with that engine without dismantling the bike
Get a Moto Guzzi can do all maintenance yourself.
@@johnblack9037 also 100% we have a moto guzzi v7
Yes,the price now is getting silly. They are still a very heavy bike on a tour with all the luggage.
It’s a curious thing. One would think that product improvement would make servicing easier but in the case of so many modern bikes it’s just more trouble than it has to be such as the TransAlp air filter location (funny enough the F900GS has a really easy air filter change). Triumph might be proud of how long their valve service intervals on the new bikes but what’s the point in that if the service costs an arm and a leg?
I like the subtlety you added to the filming of this vid; whereby you're physically walking away from the bike as you describe each of the reasons for not wanting to buy one. Turning your back on it and walking away. This shows the thought and effort that you put into your videos. I also agree about the faffery that has crept into vehicles now, not just bikes but cars too. Menus within menus, endless scrolling. The only time I want to see a menu is when I'm sitting down at a nice restaurant!! It's already been said but no harm in reaffirming - great to see an honest review. Keep up the great work.
Thank you for watching! Appreciate the kind words….
Your honesty will probably mean BMW will never lend you a motorcycle ever again but good on you for speaking your mind.
I hope that’s not the case - this is only my personal opinion and I try and be constructive with my feedback.
@@TheMissendenFlyer if they don't then they will lose business, constructive feedback is important to improving any product, imo if they aren't willing to take negative feedback then it wouldn't be a brand I would buy from.
They'd be stupid to take that position. It is not like Andy has slated every aspect of the bike. If anything, BMW ought to listen and learn if they want all the Andys ofthe world to change their minds for a future iteration of the GS.
BMW dealers will probably be more grateful that you are helping keep the used value of R1250GS at top notch. The new one appeals to a slightly different audience to the old one, so not cannibalising sales and used prices.
Method they copied from Porsche.
I have a 2023 GSA after 2 Harleys over many yrs,I love my bike and im with you on the front light/radar thing,just doesn't look right for me,and I looked at one at the dealership and they filled in parts on the frame with plastic pieces to make it more sleek,but I like seeing parts of the frame from the side view,one last thing I do like the BMW dealership experience, service and parts etc,have been treated well,keep up the good work Andy😉
Love your honesty , so many TH-camrs seem to adore every bike the manufacturers lend them. We do watch your videos to see the bikes you are loaned but more so for your honest opinion. Keep up the excellent work 👍
I appreciate that!
Seems a metaphor for the world in general: peculiar obsession with tech rather than pleasure is making everything seem sterile. Thanks for your usual honesty.
That’s why I had a R9T until it got rear ended and totaled. Then I went to a R1200RT…quickly found out I missed the actual analog riding experience. Now I have a T120 and I’m back in love with the ride again. With motorcycles, unless you’re going 1,000’s of miles on trips… less is more!!!
@@Accurize2 I totally agree with you ... I had in the past a marvellous GS1200 year aniversary edition and loved it, but for me, it got too much complicated these bikes withing new gen´s ..... I now own a T120 and love it for its simplicity .... having a physical Key fob nowadays, it makes me grin every time I turn it on ....... cheers from Brazil
Tech was supposed to save paper, and give people more free time. Yet since the advent of the fax machine, more paper is being used now than ever, and people have less free time that ever. Go figure
Absolutely. I work for an OEM. I was at a meeting, and they said they didn't give a shit about any other brand and what they did. That other brands and similar bikes were not the competition. The competition was with used bike from the same brand. That meant that they have to make the new bike "better" and more compelling with more stuff and blah blah blah to make people go out and buy a new bike and not just buy a second hand one. Thats the world you live in.
Very true. You bag the tech and you get called a Luddite lol.
Some of the tech is getting so beyond necessary.
I am delighted to watch your long term GS1300 review. I totally agree with you. I have a GS1200, 2016 model and it's (still) a great machine. Just returned from the S.o.France, no problem and 2500kms on the clock. Perfect. I have tried the new GS twice and after both extended rides I found the bike a bit cramped, heavy and that fu.....ng load of Electronic Switches, Menus, Oh my God! awful. Sure adaptive cruise is nice, but having even cruise on a bike is a big luxury, I don't need it to interrupt my driving. I actually found the cruise on the 1300 dangerous, whereas on my 1200, I can flick it off and on in a moment, no menu's required. And so it goes on, Heated Grips, have to go to a long menu while driving & almost anything you need to do is somewhere in that menu selection!.
I don't think that is clever!... Bikes are not cars and simplicity is King. The new Engine and Gearbox? It clunks into 1st gear as badly as the old GS does, shift assist was always great, not much improvement, so I wonder why they bothered with the new engine anyway. It's not that smooth and the extra 100cc is totally lost on me, don't need more!....... So, the 1300 got a thumbs down from me & my trusty 1200 will live on for another few years......... Thank you for confirming my own thoughts. Keep up the good work!...
You're not afraid to give your honest opinion, after riding a loaner for a long time. That is a rare thing these days. Well done!
Thank you. I do try and be honest but of course it is only my opinion - others love the looks of the bike apparently.
Yes, great work TMF.
Excellent. No worrying about BMW's PR dept. Honesty is what we need but rarely get from others. Good on you Mr MF !
Thank you so much for the valued honest feedback!... Looking to buy my first GSA now and will most certainly go for a used 1200/1250!.. Awesome review!..
I agree with every point you mentioned Andy. It’s refreshing that you’ve been brutally honest, and not just lavishing the praise as you get given long term loan bikes from the manufacturer.
Just got back from a 2500 mile tour down to the Alps, spending 5 days enjoying the alpine passes. The R1300 functioned faultlessly and I quickly found the buttons / functions intuitive and easy to use. I did use a BMW top box which worked without issue but did not need panniers, I was solo riding. The biggest thing I noticed having done more than 100K miles of GS 1200/1250, is the amazing improvement in handling and feel when the road was wet or uneven. I was really impressed and would suggest if you want to plod on a bit quicker and were maybe considering a Multistrada then try the R1300, its amazing. 😊
Yes I agree - particularly as a one up machine it is beautiful to ride....
I 100% agree. The price is insane. When you spec it in the Netherlands you can easily go to 30 to 37K euro! Insane. The front and back looks ugly. No real backlight also a no go. No I’ll keep my r1200gs lc. It does everything I want it to do.
Same here with my BMW 2018 GSA R1200. I remain impressed with this bike.
Then again the Netherlands with their 'BPM' is pretty ridiculous in terms of anything on wheels with an engine price-wise.
@@tbonesixtynine 100% correct
Same for me.Just sticking with my GS1200LC, changing is simply not worth the cost, especially since I suspect the 1300 is not superior in all areas. I might try one to make sure though.
Excellent, honest, insightful review. Lovely editing too - you’ve really hit your stride with this review Andy. Keep up the good work.
All absolutely fair and honest points. It's great that you make videos like these, so people can form their own opinion and doesn't get swamped in all the positivity new bikes, especially new highly-marketed bikes, tend to get!
Keep on keeping on, Andy!
I work nights and often have time on my hands to watch content from all the vloggers, I've watched a gazilliion things from all the usuals, yourself, teapot one, richy vida, username kate etc etc yet rarely comment, but i feel compelled to applaud your honesty Sir. Wasn't expecting that outcome given your history with the GS family.
Well in that case welcome along and thanks for commenting!
I don't think that the 1300 would be 10 times the bike my 1150 is, even if it's 10 times the price! Too many gadgets for my liking.
Well done Andy - it’s about time someone was honest and called out the new GS for what it is, warts and all. Far to many reviewers treat the GS as some sacred cow we all need to be in awe of.
Agreed. I rode the R1300GS for four days in Germany late last month. The balance and handling at speed are terrific. But the complexity to do formerly simple things confounded and frustrated me. Halfway through my tour, I accidentally turned on the heated grips. After about 15 minutes, I figured out how to turn them off, but - and this is something that is only funny in the movies - I inadvertently turned on the heated seat ! I never could figure out how to turn that off, so I sautéed my nuts for two days. The power-assisted center stand is more bother than a convenience. The thing starts to lift the bike as soon as you get one point of contact down, which starts to tip the bike precariously and caused me some alarm a couple of times. I believe the power assist feature was developed because BMW discovered the weight and balance of the bike made the conventional physical lifting onto the center stand nearly impossible. This smacks of a failure of engineering foresight. Overall, nice bike, but a big pass for me. Not interested.
I'm surprised you managed to type and post this. It's complicated business this internetting.
@@MrFlowerfred agreed , these features are easy things to master unless you are of a certain age in which case you probably shouldn't be riding a modern bmw and stick to a royal enfield.
On the strength of many previous reviews of the 1300GS I went out & bought myself an R1250GS with only delivery mileage on it & I am delighted with the bike. Your review proves my purchase right. I paid just under £16k for a Triple Black TE with just about everything thrown onto it including the luggage &, honestly, I’m getting the feeling that the 1250GS will be the ‘peak’ variant in years to come, AKA the Land Rover Defender. BMW have forgotten who the GS is aimed at. Thank you for an honest review, Andy 👍
Sounds like you got a bargain there!
Couldn't agree more. After a cancer bout lost some muscle mass plus as I head into my 60s and struggling with my Gs's weight and about due a change. Wanted a smaller gs really, eventually after test riding a few bikes got to go out on a Triumph Tiger 900 gt pro new 24 model " Bingo" yes it not the same but its very close. 10 k cheaper than your spec, buttons for heated seats, grips, fog lights all back lit. Only rode it for 1.5 miles with Mrs on the back first stop at traffic lights she said this feels nice and I said this is the one. After two hour test ride deal done now an owner and definitely no regrets. Go try you may get a pleasant surprise.
Well done for an honest review. Too often these days products are discontinued or updated for no good reason other than to prompt a new sales surge. The GS has been around for over 40 years, and by the 1200/1250 models it was as good as it's going to get. The Royal Enfield Bullet is an example of how a bike can remain little changed for decades and still be popular.
as an owner of both, I agree! The low-tech simple pleasures of the Enfield are simply wonderful. It's a total grin every mile. The R1200RT is, to me, as much tech as I'll ever want and I see no need for more.
I so agree... so much I just recently updated my 1200 to a 1250 only really to get rid of the old school analogue dash you can never read the speed on!
The 1200/1250 are fantastic machines with road presence and a real immersive feel when you are riding them
Agree. I own a 2014 1200 GS that I don’t plan on replacing. Reliable, comfortable, fast (enough) and fun!
Keep your old and faithful 1200 Andy. So many memories there for you, particularly the Norway trip.
That's the plan!
Definitely trade it for the far more attractive 1250 GSA
@@johna6968 1200lc and 1250lc look exactly the same apart from some tiny plastic parts.
About eight years ago I got made redundant, right after moving house with a big mortgage attached, so had to sell my two modern expensive bikes. In their place I bought an old cheap R1100RS for two grand so I could at least keep riding. It was an eye opener. I came to realise that you really don't need to spend bucket loads on the latest tech laden hyper tourer to get maximum enjoyment. The RS was back to basics biking and all the better for it. I did get another job quite quickly, but I kept that bike and still have it to this day. It's done countless two up trips including four through Europe and the only issue I had was with the abs a few years ago. You really don't need to spend such an insane amount of money to get a good long distance mile muncher. In fact sometimes, less is more
I agree!
I am on my 7th GS (1250GSA) and have no interest in this bike. I have had latest for 4 years and really happy with it. For all the comments you make that I am sure are all valid, the cost for me is ridiculous and is the main reason I won’t even go anywhere near it. I am glad that you been honest about your feelings and hope that this doesn’t restrict access to further bikes to review from BMW.
So do I! I’d love a decent go on the new GS1400 “Adventure” (assuming the looks are radically different) for sure…
@@maxflight777 Comparing apples with oranges aren't we? Seeing how much hyperbole and false dichotomy you can cram into a single statement..
I can’t justify spending more $$$ on a new GS than my last Subaru so I kept the money and bought me a Z900RS hehe
@@maxflight777inferior to what? the 1300? the people riding it don’t do it for power or performance, If they do they have gone for the wrong bike, No gs is fast or great handling. The looks are awful, The tech is worst placed and functioning than any other bm in the past. I have a gs but it’s not my main bike nor do I think anything in its class is a huge performer however for 4-500 mile days it’s brilliant and better than the 1300 imo i had a demonstrator for a weekend and didn’t like it. Not worth the money or the time .
Great review and your honesty is admirable Andy. Bought my 2003 1150GS back in 2011 for €3,400 and still have her to this day. Value for money in every respect. Hope to see you at the ABR.
Yes do say hello if you see me and Mrs flyer wandering about!
Totally agree with everything you said. I have a 2014 R1200GS like you, and much prefer it and it's character. I took a test ride on the 1300 and spent more time looking at the screen than the road trying to adjust things. They already have an S1000XR for speed touring so why ruin the GS (IMO). Great honest review as always.
Your biggest strength is your honesty. I always listen to your opinion of any bike I buy. I was in Triumph yesterday talking to the manager and he was telling me about a TH-camr that they regularly loan bikes to, he said it’s a running joke that the TH-camr never criticises their bikes, they actually want to hear the bad stuff too.
Ooh I wonder who that was!
😂
At last someone with the balls to say what everyone else was thinking & saying in private, apart from from certain content creators with a vested interest in not rocking the boat. I'll be keeping my GSA1250 Rallye HP, its awesome. See you at ABR Fest!
Looking forward to it!
Excellent to see a genuine review borne of integrity, so rare in the motoring journalistic sphere. Thank you, and keep it up please...... !
Much appreciated!
A very fair & balanced conclusion after six months of use.
A good, used R1200GS can be bought outright for less than the likely first 2 years depreciation of the 1300 - and a 1200 is arguably a better bike.
Seems to me that manufacturers are using electronic features to justify price, but I think they're barking up the wrong tree: real.motorcyclists value simplicity & visceral experience over trinkets & gadgets.
I agree with you and also admire your honesty. One of the things I like about my 2017 R1200 GSA is the simplicity of the controls. Everything I need to change modes or other functions are intelligently placed and simply require a simple button push. It is really distracting to have a complicated control system. The lack of the superfluous makes for a more enjoyable and safer ride. It is also a very comfortable for someone of a taller and broader stature such as myself. As far as weight is concerned, I used to ride a 900lb American V-twin. When I first sat on the BMW what surprised me was how light it is compared to my previous motorcycles and how much less vibration. It has character without histrionics. You have a fan from the USA here.
Cheers Vincent!
Excellent summing up - it’s what an honest review not just from anybody but someone who knows a thing or two about bikes 🏍️ Well done.
I love your honesty.
BMW’s never were a bargain but these prices are simply too high for the package.
PCP is responsible in my opinion. Lots can afford a monthly PCP allowing manufacturers to squeeze more out of customers.
@@colindeans5972that’s got nothing to do with it at all. The world’s prices have gone crazy, Pcp isn’t the cause. Look at the business costs for a start have doubled, Everyone on here posting will see costs across the board going crazy BMW are not excluded from this and being a “premium” brand pre price hike just makes this worse. The list price for a basic bike is 16-17k which isn’t bad really considering every other bike in its class are the same price or near as dam it.
Being good plodding tractors is why the proper old Beemers were used for long tours & treasured by their owners. These new modern Beemers are for IT nerds ,gamer boys, accessory junkies & riders who like to stand up on foot pegs with the stance of a demented meerkat .
That is a bit harsh.
@@GDM22 Maybe it is a bit harsh. but someone needs to point it out . As I don’t follow the herd ,it might as well be me .
Wow, forget 'how many students can you fit in a standard Mini?' - today it's ' How many meerkats can ride along while standing-up on a Beemer GS?' !
(Any action footage of them testing their IoM TT chair-outfit would be absolute gold! : )
The 'proper old Beemers' were never really my style, but they were (and are) treasured for their reliability, simplicity and comfort. The current ones are vastly over-complicated. And you, masked avenger, are Deon Meyer, and I claim my kilo of impala biltong!
@@m2menuiserie540 I could be the Lone Ranger or even Zorro for all you know or I even care , but I am certainly not Zouth Efrican .
Thanks TMF, you have been very clear, concise, and honest with the reviews on this bike. I also have now decided on upgrading my 1200 to the 1250. Which strangely enough are selling well. Spoke to the local BMW salesman, he also said they expected more sales of the 1300, and that used 1250's are selling fast.
Me, I don't need more power, I want touring comfort, versatility and 2 up riding. I do not need the tech, price or those silly side pods.
Thanks again for your efforts, you a one of the best in this field!
Always nice to see honest reviews and opinions 👍🏻
I appreciate that!
I agree with your review 100%. I have a sorted 1250 and recently rented a 1300 for a 2 week 1200 mile Spain tour with my wife. She and I both commented how
much easier it was to ride our factory low 1250 vs the 1300 with the adaptive suspension. I thought it was just us that had such a problem getting the new one off the stand. Glad to learn someone else had the same experience. We did enjoy the phone charging storage on top of the tank and the factory USB port in the top case. It allowed my wife to keep her iPhone charged while taking lots of great pictures and videos on our ride.
Morning Andy,
Totally concur with your comments. I'll be sticking with my R1250GS Rallye HP TE LC.
Well, as a 2015 GS owner for nearly 18 months, and an 07 oilhead before that, I've followed almost all your GS vids.
I knew from day one when you got the new 1300 it was only a matter of time before you posted This. Am I surprised No because as you say, the new bike has everything..... BUT what it isn't is a GS !!!
Great Honest, and to the point
Thanks for watching!
Brilliant Andy. You’ve captured in your series of videos what a lot of people are thinking and talking about. Hopefully BMW motherland are listening you… and your wife, and all the other reviews on TH-cam and will get it right with the new Adventure, then bring out a GS version 2 as well. Two up comfort is so important and on the NC500 at the weekend my mate handed us all his 1300 topbox …. It weighs a ton compared to the aluminium box and he told us the panniers are just as heavy. It’s just baffling what was going through the designers heads on this bike.
This is what makes your channel so great to watch, honest open reviews, well done Andy 👍
Wow, thank you!
Simple and concise. The man in the street doesn't want a bike at that price. Things have gone mad.
@@maxflight777 All very subjective. Idiotic and wrongul a bit strong! I think a lot of bikers think prices have gone a bit mad - this one does but just my opinion.
@@MrSupercampeao I agree with you. And half of the stuff in that list is basic engineering found on bikes that cost £6k; the other half is stuff nobody wanted or asked for.
This is exactly why I keep coming back to watch your content, unlike some other youtubers I won't name who rush out to buy the latest bikes :D Honest reviews! I love my 1250GS and it would take a lot to make me part with it! After just returning from a 3200km ride over 6 days, I'm even more in love with it!
Keep'em coming!
Andy this is the reason I still own my 2010 1200GS.
In the next week I’m off on a 3 month lap of OZ.
Love your stuff mate, from Hobart Tasmania.
Enjoy!
Thank you Andy. Good to hear your opinion. I will keep my BMW 2018 GSA R1200, plus I’m still amazed by this bike. Soon going to ride Southern Africa. Florida, USA
Wow - have a great trip!
Convinced this is why many people are turning their backs on a lot of these big, digital, bikes in favour of smaller capacity, simpler, bikes, myself included. Currently got 3 bikes but will be going back to 2 or even 1 as the costs of looking after them all is crazy, plus home maintenance is not straightforward like the bikes I learnt to ride on 40 years ago. Looking at relatively lighter weight adv bikes like the Himalayan and cf Moto 450mt etc.
Good honest review, highlighting some of the features / issues that once the fanfare of a new bike has worn off, may start to irritate. When I'm riding with generally pretty thick gloves, I want accessible buttons, not menu options.
'Basic pleasure of riding a motorcycle'. Perfectly summed up. I've no plans in upgrading my 1200gs nor my 100rs. As Mickey Flanagan might say 'proper motorcycling that gets you out out!'.
Kudos for your integrity, Andy.
And I would probably add those daft integrated rear stop light/indicators to the list of no-nos as well.
I am surprised Andy you didn’t grow to love it, I can see why you don’t like it on what you said in the video makes sense, good review like your honesty 👍
Excellent, honest review. Completely agree on the looks. I am keeping my 1250 Adv. It has real presence.
Respect. Thanks for the honesty Andy.
an honest reviewer, if i were bmw executive i will play this video in loop at their gs development facility.
Fair comment, my 1200 GSA was plenty quick enough, currently on a R1250R which is super.
The looks of the new GS would be a deal breaker too, it’s so fugly.
I’m glad we concur!
Great statement. Huge kudos to you for your honesty. In many ways, this was kind of like a review of where the entire motorcycle industry has gone - particularly regarding large adventure bikes.
Glad you liked it!
Good review thanks, we didn't even get to test ride stage. Wife sat on back in the dealers and it was a no from her straight away 😄
Given the GS has been a very popular 2 upper touring machine, surely the designers of the new GS must’ve looked at that requirement..
@@alanbarnes2920 shoulda look better
New one is less comfy for the pillion it requires at least a custom saddle
I fully agree with everything you said - that‘s the reason why I stay with my beloved 1250GSA-HP. I don’t miss anything!
Hi Andy, wonderfully honest summary. Proof (not that it was needed by us regular viewers) that you’re not in cahoots with anyone. I shall be sticking with my R1200GSA (which I bought on your recommendation!). I like my 🚜! Chris
Much appreciated - love mine too!
Credit to you for someone who is a proper GS fan it’s great to give your honest review and the old lass in your garage will take you way ever and back maybe they got it right the first time
It’s almost as if BMW don’t get why the older model is so appealing and they’ve built out lots of the appeal! Give me the 1200 or 1250 any day! You’re a wise man Andy 👏😀👍🏍
I totally agree!
I was riding down to Bournemouth at the weekend and an old model GS came up behind me he just kept his distance and hovered behind but every time I looked in the mirror this massive GS was there imposing itself, something I don’t think this new bike will ever have. Great honest review Andy.
Great honest review. I've got a 1250 GSA and love it, but find it difficult with the wife onboard. So I just picked up a 2024 Goldwing tour to park beside of it, lol. Wife loves it and easiest bike to ride 2up I've ever had her on. Love the channel.
Sounds like you have the beginnings of a great collection! …..and great taste!
Great final review on the new GS, I must admit you have hit the nail right on the head. Me I've gone for the new F900GSA it's a great bike and 900cc is ample for me. It has the styling and characteristics of the 1250GS. Just love it. Thanks for another great review Andy 👍
Nigel, does the 900 have the “anti dive” front suspension?
Hi John
Is adjustable from the top, doesn't dive to bad and once adjusted it was OK
It's a cost thing as well for me. And the wife dosnt like the pillion seat or position.
@@maxflight777 quite clearly the 1250 isn't inferior in every way compared to the 1300 as Andy pointed out multiple times in this video.
Plus people travel huge distances on all types of bike, from 50cc mopeds to Goldwings, so your trip would have been perfectly possible on the 1250.
However the 1300 does look a fine machine (though I'd not buy one if for no other reason the lack of a rear light, which sounds less than safe in my opinion, and I'd not trust idiots in metal boxes to notice the indicators are doing the job of the brake lights as they wouldn't be looking out for those)
@@kentishmale1969 The lights are a mistake, I agree. Like many things it’ll be quietly ditched in a future iterations like the jab a screen for all functions in cars. Just daft and unsafe.
I am currently on my 2nd LC R1200GS, before that i had an AC R1200GS and I have also owned the F800GS. My first bike was a R1150GS. I have enjoyed and appreciated all of them but none of them have put a smile on my face as big as the one that i got riding the R1300GS demo last weekend. Would love to own one.
Had a 1200GS before. But now I am older wanted something lighter and easier to live with so bought a Honda CB500X. No complicated tech, has enough power for cruising, comfortable (me 5'9" and wife 5'3") and very economical to run and maintain. Finally it was a quarter of the price of the new 1300GS.
Just a really great honest, fair opinion of the bike--why we love this channel.
Glad to hear that thank you
Morning Andy, I can give you my reason for not buying one. Its price 😳
This. I could buy a car and a motorcycle for the price of this machine.
Same here.
Agreed. I think BMW misjudged the market on their pricing. Also I think BMW redesigned the machine to have more of a supermoto look and feel but as Andy points out it hurts its touring ability and two up comfort.
Thank you for your candid assessment of the new R1300GS, Andy. Other than its tall seat height, I love my '21 R1250GSA. I went to my local BMW dealer and sat on the new R1300GS and I was impressed that as a shorty (30" inseam) that I could get my feet flat on the ground. Tempting, as with my GSA I'm on the balls of my feet, which while ok most of the time, can lead to some exciting moments at slower speeds when navigating obstacles. Given the escalating bike prices and service costs - the 12,000 mile service on my GSA at the local dealer is $1,200 USD - I think I'll wait on a new GS and see what the future holds.
Holy Moly, I had to rewind to hear the price again.
What a bloody honest summary. Hats off Sir, that said it all!
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Totally agree! I went from a 1200GS Standard suspension to a 1250GS Low suspension and absolutely love it. And have managed to add the “Sport” menu for added fun and take it to the track.
Hi Andy. Thank you for the honest review. I bought my GS 1200 at the end of last year, recently toured Wales on it with friends and found it to be a very capable and comfortable machine. It does everything well and is not crammed full of electronics or gizmos that make a bike a faff and hard to use.
I don’t know where this tech will end up but I won’t be buying into it, that’s for sure!
I also 100% agree with the sentiment that its become less utility, more speed. I said that as a comment earlier at another vlog from a punter who got one was nearly mauled alive.
Additionally to your comments, I found my 30min test ride on one quite a bit more buffety than previous gen GS.
On the positive side, one thing I really liked was the observant quality and finish of the mechanicals. No more naked alloy lathed surfaces post paint shop, no nasty naked metal edges for crap and water to stick on and start the bubbling etc. I bet you these (electronics a bit of an unknown) will cosmetically last a lot better than anything BMW since 2004.
Thus I would wait and want to see an RT or a GSA version of this generation.
Just took delivery of my new R 1300 GS Trophy today. I love the looks and the new powertrain is an absolute stunner. Not sure why such a big backlash on the headlight, but I think it looks fantastic.
I dont own a GS 1300 but I think it looks great and has some interesting new features which make it worth considering. It seems like all those with older GS's are getting hot under the collar because its expensive? If you dont like it or cant afford it. Dont buy it, keep your old bike. In the meantime those that do and can will no doubt enjoy it. Simple really.
Thank you for your complete honesty. I wish others would be as honest and true to form as you are. Excellent video, thank you Andy.
Agree 100%....same thoughts here....as always excellent final thoughts. On to the next one....thanks for the insights!!!
Thanks for the honest review. I’ve watching your brilliant and fun reviews since you started, and would LOVE to see you do a “Who was the best of the best” video. You, like the rest of us riders have that “one that got away” or shoulda kept. Cheers!
Thanks for the suggestion Dave - and for following for so long!
I have a 8 1/2 year old 1200RS I’ve owned from new. I love it. 44,000 miles, serviced and maintained by myself. I just bought an 1150RS. Low mileage and in great condition. It is fun to ride and is so quiet when running. I have a friend who has a 1300. Listening to it alongside the 1150 makes me wonder where BMW went wrong.
Husband & rode the new 1300 over 1250 miles on tour recently - we were keen to compare with our 1250GS . We agree with many of your comments. The bike feels very agile and nimble on the move ,the engine is responsive and the quick shifter smoother than the 1250. The new rear suspension is a big improvement and the bike is easier to lift onto the centre stand even with luggage.As pillion positives are foot peg position and general comfort ( downside of our 1250 is the vario topbox which is angled forward making it uncomfortable)
Totally agree re new luggage - central locking is a faff and the topbox seemed flimsy.1300 feels heavy to get off side stand due to lean angle, gearbox seemed noisy around 2500rpm in traffic and the engine whilst more refined has lost some of its character. Totally agree with your comments re scrolling through tech menu and the look of the bike especially from the front .
We’ll be keeping our 1250 !!
Thanks for your great reviews
My pleasure!
You‘ve said it. Couldn’t agree more. I had a nice test ride and bought a 1250 GS immediately.
Just flicked through all the comments. I do not see any 1300 GS fan boys coming out to counter your comments. Honest review, good on you.
Thanks for that!
Always enjoy your work, thank you. I know you qualified your comments as a personal perspective and I followed your reasoning, except with regard to weight. I understand the R 1200 GS, you mentioned, has a curb weight of about 245 kg, while the 1300 is 237 kg, a small but significant improvement. They will both weigh more with bags and a center stand. Perhaps the BMW luggage has become heavier, but it won't be long until lightweight alloy aftermarket options become available. I haven't had a chance to get the misses on the back yet, hoping she has a better time on it than yours did.
Regardkless of the figures - the 1200 feels easier to move than the 1300....I suspect there is a COG change....
Thanks for the honest and straight review. There are other youtubers that won't give an honest review of the R1300 GS...
Thank you, I bought my 1200 when you bought yours around 2014 and would have bought 1300 if you had done so. Was waiting for this. I love my 1200 too much.
Yes the 1200 is still a great bike....
Well what can i say I don’t often see eye to eye with you Andy but what a totally honest brave review so many just big bikes up for the sake of it and talk bollocks . Well done .
I agree about menu driven settings over buttons, essential selections such as you mentioned, heated grips, seat and windscreen height should be at the simple touch of a button. Having to search through a menu whilst riding is downright dangerous.
It could be argued that the old 1150 GS Adventure was the ultimate GS and it just went downhill from there. It was heavy, it was pretty slow, but it was one hell of a travel companion. A real mammoth of a bike.
My 8-year-old GS is exactly what a GS is supposed to be, comfy, rugged, go anywhere with easy to manage electronics. I'm right there with you, thanks for the review.
Apologies for the late response to your video, but this is, in my opinion, your most informative and straight-to-point bike summary to date. I think you speak the minds of many of us regarding this new GS.....a fantastic engine, but over-complicated features and less competent in the 'all important' passenger and luggage departments, compared to its older siblings. All in all, a super job sir.
Much appreciated! Glad we concur…
Completely agree. But I am grateful to this bike. As a GS virgin, I had never even considered a 1250 GS or GSA - too big. But my Ducati Desert X was too uncomfortable for distance so I test rode the new 900GS. No different to the Ducati. Try the new 1300 said the salesman - so I did. I was amazed - this is an incredible bike. so agile! I was blown away - but £23 grand. Hmmm. So I thought, I will have another test ride just to be sure. And I would also like to test the 1250 GSA - just to compare.... An hour on both, back to back and I still really liked the 1300. But I LOVED the 1250. I was amazed. Managed to get an ex demo '23 Trophy with less than 100 miles at £8 grand less than a new 1300 would be!! 8 GRAND!! 9 bikes in the garage - I get on the 1250 every day. Love it!
Thanks for honest feedback. I have a 1250 and am super happy with it, and will consider the 1300... But, i think it will take some time before i actually change,
Well considered as ever Andy. I have a GS1250 TE that was being serviced so I had a GS1300 for a few hours. Speed and Agility are great . The big downsides were the hard as a rock seat (it had the comfort seat fitted) and the new screen which was too small and caused buffeting. A replacement screen was not advised as it ruined the electric screen motor. Lastly the Vario luggage it not available. A noble effort but I'm keeping my grand old 1250 for a few more years.
Yes I don’t blame you!
That‘s what I call a honest review..! I agree with every positive point but the points you mentioned as negatives ones are exactly what I do like, as well. The new esthetic, the new features, the new punchy motor, even the new luggage system, those are things that made me trade my beloved 1250 for the new 1300. Even the price is ok if you take into consideration all the new things, and I suppose they will fix the problems with the luggage sooner than later. But anyway, kudos for not being afraid of criticizing the new GS. Everybody should listen to reviewers like you, AND try by themselves before purchasing to be able to make the right decision. Saludos.
really appreciate the honesty of the reviews you do andy. i’ve worked in the bike industry as a freelance road tester and i know the ( let’s call it ‘passive’ sway) that can be on you with advertising revenue etc. nice one mate
Thank you - I appreciate that....
I appreciate the honesty. I am still riding my 20 year old air cooled GS1200
Thanks Andy, and you are right, I tried to buy few motorcycles in my 55 years long life with my brain, opposed to my heart, and while they were great machines, I hated riding them, I absolutely agree that how a bike looks is crucial for the buying decision, even though, it might not make sense, and seem childish to some, after all, who cares about the light and what it looks like, I don't see it when I ride anyway, so who cares.... but I get it, and 100% on board, I regretted every bike I bought that I was not in love with, even though it was great bike from a machine point of view. Also thanks for the honesty, you managed to build your business while being honest and still having good relations with dealers that can provide test bikes, that is admirable
What a nice and honest review.
I disagree with you though. I've kept my 2021 GSA and I've got the 1300 Tramunta. I never thought I'd like another bike as much as that 1250, but the 1300 is now my favourite. It's just so much fun to ride. The menu structure doesn't bother me and neither do the looks. It's just a blast. I'm taking it around the Baltic in a couple of weeks.
That said, I'm going two up to Portugal a few weeks after and that I'm doing on the 1250. With a pillion that's just a more suitable bike.
I guess I'm lucky to have the choice.
Yes that's a good compromise - get two! Liking your style....
I’m with you on this, but the adventure version may change that for me going forward.
I traded my GS for an RT last year and I’m happy for the moment.
To be honest the new GS hasn’t tickled my bits to a point of, ‘I must have it’.