After all those years and miles, still looks great! 100K Miles makes you qualified to review this bike unlike the 20 min and 20 miles know it all TH-camrs :)
If you cut the thumb off a heavy duty kitchen type rubber glove, about 30mm of it using a box cutter and straight edge. Then stretch it over the Keyless Ride switch it covers the whole switch body and fits like a glove (haha). It’s flexible and protects the switch from the sun and the elements. It’s cheaper than a new Keyless Ride switch👍🏻
Hi Tim, I was contemplating selling my 2015 R1200GS this morning. I have had it from new but have only managed to do 51 thousand miles on it. Due to the virus I have been hit very hard financially so bike maintenance has been sketchy to say the least, but still the GS chugs on. Even though I clean my bike regularly the engine paint was lifting within 2 years and it has carried on doing so. So this morning I was feeling a bit down which is very unusual for me, when I came across your year old video and saw the light. I have loved this bike all these years and it just fits me somehow and with my financial situation improving why the hell would I want to sell her. I am booking her into the shop today for a major service, she deserves it. Thanks Tim for bringing me to my senses.
Great honest comment. This sounds cheesy but my mental well being is tied to my being able to get out and experience 2 wheels, some people just don't get it.
Hi Tim. Agree with everything you said about the GS. My GSA has 200,000 miles on it (360,000k’s) and has been awesome. To me they are a sports tourer that can handle dirt roads and forest trails while comfortably eating up big miles. Your vids are always so inspiring mate. Thanks!
"I recognize the bike for what it is, a bike that makes me happy". Does any rider need anything more than that? That's all I'm looking for. One of the most honest and thorough reviews of a bike I've seen. Thanks Tim for such a great video with lots of good tips and info.
My current bike makes me happy amd its fantastic. Unfortunately, i cant ride it for more than 200km because its uncomfortable, which eliminates the purpose of having a motorcycle. Cant even get to the mosel or eifel, let alone the alps. Im asking for more and im gonna find it in a GS
Now that's a review worth paying attention to, for those of us who plan to keep our bikes long term rather than trade up every 2 or 3 years. Nice one, Tim 👌
"I'm starting to get used to it", referring to center stand interference while standing on the pegs.....AFTER 100,000 MILES! LOL!! I recently took my 2009 R1200R to the dealer for lack of power and surging in the engine and a failed ABS. They wanted $3,500 to fix it. Nope! I paid them $460 to give me that bad news, brought it back home and went online. I got the engine running as it should with a new camshaft position sensor and (literally) a few light taps on the ABS Module's motor to free up a sticky brush and it, too, is working fine. Not counting the $460 the dealer's service department got from me I spent just under $300 and that included an OBDLink and MotoScan app to handle my own diagnosis in the future. With service support like this, I will NOT be buying another BMW!
Module Masters in Idaho I think does the ABS rebuild for 250 or something like that. There is the GS911 scan tool. The problem with Motoscan is that it's android only. I might try it with BlueStacks on my Mac to see if it works though. I do all my own maintenance and repairs on my 2009 RT. Bought it new in 2010. Fuel strip went twice, replaced under extended repair notice by BMW. There is a new recall on the fuel pumps that may apply to you.
Yep my 07 ABS light was on and BMW was looking £1100 to replace the ABS unit, a little research done, removed it my self and sent it away, got it back repaired within the week with a lifetime warranty for around £150 + £5 for new brake fluid and three years later still going strong!
Tim that is freaking awesome! This is what I call a real review and only after 105k miles. Hell yea. Other guys will take a brand new demo bike and pretend to do a some sort of a review within that half an hour of riding (if that). On top of that their riding experience is that of a total beginner. I'm putting along with my Yamaha super tenere, love that bike. Thanks
I appreciate that video probably more than anything else you've put out there. It's hard to find good honest reviews about bikes with higher miles. Not so many people ride them that much! Good for you for breaking 100k! I believe your video on the saddle sore ride is the one that got me to do mine! So thank you for that. It was fun, and rewarding. I just wish I didn't lose a front tire in another city mid day! Again, I really appreciate this video! It was a great one!
Great review. The center stand gets in my way too, just as you described. I check my own valves clearances because it is really easy to do. However, I don't replace the gasket unless it leaks, which hasn't happened to date.
Def a noteworthy review having put that amount of miles on it. A fantastic mix of terrain too. Appears that it is dialed in, broken in and will serve your needs for another 100k!
Great review Tim. Sometimes things prevent total honesty, but the GS was one of the best bikes I’ve owned. Weight distribution, smooth throttle/ power distribution and just plain nimbleness of the bike are the main reasons. I did switch the stock seat with the tall seat right when I got it but experience the same lack of comfort. I have tried an air hawk but just could never get comfortable with it. (Like the sheep skin though) Tried a friends custom made Sargent for a ride, it felt good but was a short ride. Maybe one of your other followers has more experience on one. The rox anti-vibe risers were a great add, I put them on all my adv bikes. The only other thing I did, that I would swear by, is spend some big $ on upgrading the entire suspension. (Shocks and forks) that was the single best really noticeable improvement I’ve made. I’ll have to look into the clutch, thanks for the tip. Be well and safe travels my friend! ~B
I replaced the stock seat on my RT with a Sargent...Huge difference. The OEM sears on most bikes are rubbish. Love your channel Tim. My wife and I are definitely ordering your book as we moto-camp a lot. Your materials helped us get through the COVID winter! Be well.
If you try an Air Hawk seat pad, just a small puff of air is all you need for comfort. It doesn't deflate on it's own either. Worked for me but the manufacturers put a bright red stripe down the middle of the seat. I have taken a black permanent marker to it and works like a charm (nothing on my bike is red and I don't want to draw attention away from the bike and onto a seat pad).
Try a Cool cover mesh cover (from UK) on your seat. I spent a week in August with one of these on my bike, and it made my ~430 mile daily mileage very manageable. Very breathable cover, but it doesn't detach you from what the bike is doing like an Air Hawk does.
You are hilarious Tim. This seat sucks so I’m going to replace it when I get over 100k on it 😏 The cheap side of me identifies with getting your money out of the original. Although to be fair you did spend a bit on maintenance.
My friend Kerri has the same year GS and just turned 130,000 miles on it. Never broke down. Never saw a Dealer except for maintenance , fork seals, and a bent rim. Amazing machine
I've got a 2007 Honda CBR 150 with over 100,000 miles (160,000 kilometers) on it in Thailand. Still runs well, though the carb needs to be re-built. I change oil at 4000 kilometers and use Motul or Shell synthetic. Here in Thailand, it's not uncommon to put this amount of mileage on small motorcycles. It's needed multiple chains, tires, batteries but those are maintenance items. The clutch is the original and the engine has never been opened.
Love the review man! One thing I'd like to point out is that you usually don't need to replace the valve cover gaskets every time the covers are pulled off. I know you mentioned that's a job you don't do yourself (which I totally get and appreciate). They're pretty beefy gaskets which is probably why they're expensive, but I know BMW mechanics that generally only replace them when necessary. Hopefully that's helpful in some way. Love your videos.
I approve! I work at the factory and in general you can say only parts that get permanently compressed/deformed or abraded (just like sealed & encapsulated screws) need to be changed. The valve cover gasket is a rubber sealed copper kinda gasket and only needs to be changed when its damaged. And this goes for about everything on any bike ^^
When you get as old as I am, and that arthritis creeps into your clutch hand and becomes worse especially on cold damp days, you will appreciate the quick shifter. It saved me from falling into the arms of a DCT; I can use the clutch when I need it, and save my hands when I don’t.
Regarding the key-less FOB loosing connection with the bike. I had the same problem on a long trip, after changing the battery with a generic brand new one, from The Source, before leaving. When I got back home, I found and switched the the old battery back in. Even though it was almost empty it stayed connected perfectly up until the dealership replaced it during a maintenance check with a new one of the same. Basically you need to use the same model battery that came with the FOB (Panasonic I think) and you will be fine.
I feel the same overall about the bike. I had the same bike you have and made the up grade for the 1250 about a month ago. I love the new engine, feels a little more well balanced, torquy and in fact it is more powerful, but the 1200 was ok too. Now with the panniers and a passenger, it behaves easily than the 1200. And see that I use to enjoy a lot my 1200. The seat still is a pane. By your experienced opinion I am thinking about changing for a more comfortable one. Thanks for sharing, it is quite useful to count with long using experienced riders opinions. And thanks for the numbers. Costs are always a point to pay atention.👍🏻
I have a 2019 Honda Africa twin and the seat is terrible. I have tried a Corbin AND a saddlman don’t waist your money. That are over priced and junk honesty in my experience. I am currently on the waiting list to have a Russell day long seat built and am super exited to have it dun and back to me so I can try it out!
Like the other comments, I agree, best review I've seen👍👍 glad it's not just me that thinks the seat is awful, it's so frustrating that it's so uncomfortable, I use a cheap Chinese air hawk copy that is as good as my genuine air hawk but was only 18 British pounds off ebay👍
Your overview and experience is appreciated and awesome. I had dirt bikes as a kid, Harley Ds later and then a K1200 BMW. BMW was incredible bike. Thanks!
Every bike has a separate shift timing profile and it takes me real time (not just hours) to internalize it so that I shift silently and jerklessly up and down without thinking so much about it. It’s like playing a song you’ve learned. A lot of the skill is now in your hands.
Great review Tim, also very personal too, watching you smile as you talk about the pros of your bike, it really shows how much you like her! On side note, can you pls hare the software you use to edit your videos? Thanks in advance and keep it up, you're doing great!! 👍👍
Hey Tim nice review, I also ride a 1200GS but the previous version with no water cooling and dry clutch so interesting to hear your review. I have not wanted to spend $600+ on an after market sit so I use the arihawk cushion for long rides. It is cheap and a game changer as you can adjust the air and always make it feel different so pressure is never on the same spot. Also helps with the air flow. Take care
Absolutely on point. Great review. You touch on things that most people don't discuss in detail, including sales guys at dealerships. GS's are balanced, great at many things and terrains, reliable, expensive to fix if you break something (but we don't get into this game unless we can afford it lol.), but they don't break easily, and absolutely a joy to ride anywhere. I realize I'm just stating the obvious especially to any other GS rider, but for the newbies or folks thinking about a GS. As NIKE says" Just Do It"
I have watched loads of your videos and will never venture off road but ,you convinced me to get a GS used of course its a 2013 with 77000 kilometres. I do not think the seat is staying too long,but a bit of fixing to do first. At 74 I doubt i will do 100,000 mile review . God bless.
ABS is there when you're not always on your game., I 've got it, it's never been intrusive. Tire pressure monitoring ( when it stays working) is God's gift to mankind., I worked in a tire shop years ago, & the lack of proper inflation was like leaving a few bolts out on an aircraft wing. Checking valve clearance is easy & cheap, adjusting it ( the usually tight ones) requires a lot more work , & usually a bunch of different size shims you're unlikely to have with you. ,So I agree with you there ,although you may want to try checking them yourself to see if they need adjusting.I've seen ridiculous instructions dutifully followed by on line videos, when really all you have to do is have the cam lobe directly opposite from the surface it presses down on.My bike instructions involve removing the front wheel , peering through tiny access holes to look at timing marks just so you can adjust some valves simultaneously., Then taking out spark plugs (instead of just loosening), all absurd when you can just leave everything assembled & line up the cams by very slowly turning the engine to let the compression leak out the loosened spark plugs & then reuse the gasket (if it's undamaged)which is most of the time! ."KEY FOBS NOBODY WANTS" ., BUT COMPLAINTS GO UNHEARD TO THE DEALER BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS BREAK YEARS LATER !! & most cost a fortune to buy & program.
I appreciate it for what it is - a bike that makes me happy. I'm with you 100%. Would love to know what tires you were running at the time of this review, what you're running today, and how they compare. Thanks Tim.
Nice review. I ride a 2013 1200 GSA and it is the most fun motorcycle I have ever ridden and I have been riding since 1964, if we can call a Trail 90 a motorcycle, as a kid. The value of the BMW exceeds the cost for me. One thing you might have added in your stats is your average fuel mileage. Mine is around 47 mpg. The GS GSA is always the gold standard that all other adventure bikes are measured against. And the BMW is set up from the factory for two up touring. Just a great bike.
If you cut the end of the thumb from a heavy duty black rubber kitchen type glove, you can stretch it over the top of the Keyless Ride switch. It looks really neat, covers the whole switch, and is obviously very flexible, if it deteriorates over time just replace it with the same thing. It's just a little bit cheaper than a new Keyless Ride switch, hahah.
Great video. Thanks for the details and your experience with the bike. I bought a R1250GS earlier this year and I have about 10K on it at this point. I am from Quebec Canada so the riding season is pretty much over now. I will get it out again in April. I also love the bike. It's a great ride. Couldn't be happier really. I hope it will stay trouble free for a long time as I am not much of a mechanic and I don't think I could change a clutch :-) It's not a perfect bike, but as for you, it fits me well. I love the power of the boxter engine and the comfort of the ergonomics when I am riding it. Anyway, thanks for the video and keep riding my friend. Dan
Nice review. If you are careful you don't have to replace the gaskets everytime you check the valves. The seat will be much more comfortable if you remove the bar risers, you will have to lean forward slightly, exactly as BMW designed the ergonomics, they know what they are doing ;-) I have 2018 model, done 40,000km in 18months.
The seats are a huge problem...since forever I think. The short answer is that BMW has made the choice to put a seat on that feels pretty good on the showroom floor and for 10-minute test rides because it helps sell bikes. The real problem is the seat foam is too soft and weak, so it gets over compressed after an hour or so, it lacks resilience, and the aftermarket seats all utilize denser foams to correct this. Too bad BMW can’t take a clue from certain German shoe manufacturers that understand this phenomenon yet continue to successfully produce and sell shoes that use dense foam midsoles, because those “harder” shoes end up offering better all day foot support. That’s what the seats/our butts need.
Great informative video. I have a 2015 Triple Black. 26k miles only ... love it (with the only exception being the gear change). Did that new clutch make the shifts any less agricultural?
I'm looking for a used one, but the cost of replacing clutch is frightening and many don't have a maintenance log, so it's a bit like playing Russian roulette. I wish I could afford a new one, but it's not an option at the moment.
Great review lots of good insight on the GSA, i have a 2015 now for almost a year and have much to learn about this type of bike,have always rode pavement on Harley Davidson, got tired of pavement so i bought a 650 gs just to try it, loved every minute but at 6' and 200# it just wasn't big enough for me and a week of gear, so i sprang for the big guy...safe travels.
Tim - I have the '19 1250 GSA and that bike is a dream - the engine is incredibly smooth, clutch like butter, quick shifter much improved, etc., etc. You're dead on about the feeling you get when riding it. It's addicting and confidence inspiring. Go anywhere, do anything. It does it all very well. I think they improved the seat since the '15, cuz I don't feel the pain like you do. Also the Puig windscreen is the best after market one to get. Taller, but has the same styling as the OEM. Great review, thank you!
Great review! That's almost the same opinion i have of this bike. :D I own a 2018 R1200GS Adventure Rally and already have 40000km/25000mi in 2 years on the clock! If you ever think about changing/uprading your bike to a newer version. Think about taking the adventure variant. It's a little bit heavier, but the tank capacity is insane and the wind protection is slightly better because of the big tank... aaaand the stock Adventure Rally version already comes with 'better' footpegs, crash bars etc.
Great review. Totally honest. I think buying new is the way to go if you can afford to. I have had a few secondhand low mile GS and GSA and all had big faults. Still my favourite bike. I now ride an Africa twin DCT.
Great honest review. I have the 1250 and love it. Already put 26,000 miles on it and I plan to keep it so I'll probably see 100K. I wish I could get that kind of mileage out of tires. I'm only getting about 6500 miles out of front and rear.
Great review! I had a few comments as a fellow GS owner (2013). Seat - try a Sargent, and if you need airflow, I recently added a Cool cover 3D mesh to it, which is awesome. Surprised you didn't mention the ESA shocks, which are maybe the best part of the bike to me. Along with the low center of gravity, it's what lets you go from chasing down sport bikes to crawling over trails. I'll need to get my shocks rebuilt soon. Since you didn't mention that, I'll assume you need to soon as well. They'll go about 50k before they start needing a rebuild, unless you're doing a lot of off-road, in which case cut that to 25k. At 100k they must be pretty ratty.
Great review! I’m riding the 1200 RT (street only version). Didn’t think you needed to change the cover gasket every time you opened it, at least I don’t do so, and without any leaks.
Is it good for long highway travels with a passenger? I'm thinking of buying one of these in future to take road trips to US from Canada with my in law.
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Great review! 10-15k miles out of a rear tire (aswell as 100k miles on a set of front brake pads) and "riding the bike pretty hard" definitely doesn't add up though.
@@checker3694 sure, thats not "riding hard" though. On my sportbike I'll need new pads after 6k miles. Even on my 70hp VStrom 650, which I primarily use for commuting and 2up-trips, I'll need new pads after 15k miles. This might be partially because I live in the middle of the alps where you naturally need to brake more, but 100k is still absurd.
@@Ozmeister666 Riding hard could been 600 miles in a day across the plains in the Midwest, stopping 4 times, with 8 brake applications, all done in last 10 meters before stopping. Or a sports bike in cities riding 6 miles with 600 hard applications, sorry do the math
@@checker3694 I guess, if you wanna interpret it this way. Atleast around where I live, riding a motorcycle hard means lots of acceleration and braking and going fast through corners.
I just picked up an 05 for scrap price, and have to work on it before it runs. I liked your video review of yours, especially because we seem to have similar riding styles. I can't wait to get out on this thing. Hopefully before the summer ends.
Wow. Amazing. You sure it's not 100, 000 miles & not,, 10,000!?....Here in India we consider it real long if you manage to keep your front brakes OK at 15,000 kms... That's about 10, 000 miles. Thanks an interesting & useful video as usual
Thanks for your honest review of this I just purchased a second hand 2014 model with 23000km on the clock, man this is the best motorcycle I have ever owned, I hope to put a lot of miles on it, so it is great to hear they have longevity as well as that fun factor
2006 GS1200 with several issues. The last issues at 50,000 km were a faulty fuel pump and a leak in between gearbox and clutch. That was it for me. She's sexy but like a diva. Probably Ducatis are more reliable now.
An excellent review Tim. IMO you were spot on in all areas, especially the seat. WTF are they thinking in Berlin when the send the GS/GSA out with those seats? Keep up the great reviews.
I have to agree on the seat. The wife and I have been thinking of getting a Sargent Seat for our 750. Keyless ride I was not to interested in it but I really did not have a choice, 1.5 years later the bike just told me the battery is at 50%. The battery in my Toyota fob is 16 years old, it only opens the doors but it has only been replaced once in that time. I also have a puig windscreen as they seem to be the cheapest option but yet give great coverage! BMW should give you a deep discount on a new version for all of the free advertising they get from you! By Deep I'm talking free! Wishful thinking on my part
I really like the 1150s, but I wouldn't own one just because the clutch. I would absolutely get a 1200/1250 though. Wet clutch in the front of the engine changes everything for me.
This is someone who knows engines, as evidenced by the intro "I finally broke in the bike @ 100k miles".... People think the break in service is done at 600 miles lol
I have a 2022 1250 GSA, and I can relate to the seat. After about 2 hours my "baggage" goes absolutely NUMB !!!!!!! It literally frightens me sometimes !!!! But I bought it to keep it. I want to know how many Triumph's and Ducati's go 100,000 miles or better ....... I bet, not many ....... Great video !!!!!! 🙂
The next time you have to replace the clutch, leave the friction plates to soak in engine oil overnight to give them time to impregnate the oil. Doing this will prevent premature wear or even failure of the friction plates if you put them in dry. :)
Great video. I like your stuff and am a subscriber. I can't afford that machine! I had go a more affordable route with the Himalayan. Figured I could afford to sort of use it with a bit less worry. Maybe one day. Be safe.
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After all those years and miles, still looks great! 100K Miles makes you qualified to review this bike unlike the 20 min and 20 miles know it all TH-camrs :)
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If you cut the thumb off a heavy duty kitchen type rubber glove, about 30mm of it using a box cutter and straight edge. Then stretch it over the Keyless Ride switch it covers the whole switch body and fits like a glove (haha). It’s flexible and protects the switch from the sun and the elements. It’s cheaper than a new Keyless Ride switch👍🏻
Great idea! Thanks!
Hi Tim, I was contemplating selling my 2015 R1200GS this morning. I have had it from new but have only managed to do 51 thousand miles on it. Due to the virus I have been hit very hard financially so bike maintenance has been sketchy to say the least, but still the GS chugs on. Even though I clean my bike regularly the engine paint was lifting within 2 years and it has carried on doing so.
So this morning I was feeling a bit down which is very unusual for me, when I came across your year old video and saw the light. I have loved this bike all these years and it just fits me somehow and with my financial situation improving why the hell would I want to sell her. I am booking her into the shop today for a major service, she deserves it. Thanks Tim for bringing me to my senses.
Nice comment. I hope you enjoy your bike for many ‘save’ miles. 🖖
Excellent decision. Ride safe and ride often.
Great honest comment. This sounds cheesy but my mental well being is tied to my being able to get out and experience 2 wheels, some people just don't get it.
What major services have you done at 50-60km miles
50 K miles is nothing to sneeze at. More than most I reckon...
Hi Tim. Agree with everything you said about the GS. My GSA has 200,000 miles on it (360,000k’s) and has been awesome. To me they are a sports tourer that can handle dirt roads and forest trails while comfortably eating up big miles. Your vids are always so inspiring mate. Thanks!
200k miles - nice! What year is yours?
Hi buddy, do you have any update on your bike since that? How many miles?
Only 895k miles to go.
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Best overall motorcycle review I've seen. BMW should sponsor you.
Accurate
We'll stop getting honest info if he's getti ng sponsored
"I recognize the bike for what it is, a bike that makes me happy". Does any rider need anything more than that? That's all I'm looking for. One of the most honest and thorough reviews of a bike I've seen. Thanks Tim for such a great video with lots of good tips and info.
My current bike makes me happy amd its fantastic. Unfortunately, i cant ride it for more than 200km because its uncomfortable, which eliminates the purpose of having a motorcycle. Cant even get to the mosel or eifel, let alone the alps. Im asking for more and im gonna find it in a GS
"I wanted the triple back".
you shouldn't talk like that right in front of her..
Now that's a review worth paying attention to, for those of us who plan to keep our bikes long term rather than trade up every 2 or 3 years. Nice one, Tim 👌
"I'm starting to get used to it", referring to center stand interference while standing on the pegs.....AFTER 100,000 MILES! LOL!! I recently took my 2009 R1200R to the dealer for lack of power and surging in the engine and a failed ABS. They wanted $3,500 to fix it. Nope! I paid them $460 to give me that bad news, brought it back home and went online. I got the engine running as it should with a new camshaft position sensor and (literally) a few light taps on the ABS Module's motor to free up a sticky brush and it, too, is working fine. Not counting the $460 the dealer's service department got from me I spent just under $300 and that included an OBDLink and MotoScan app to handle my own diagnosis in the future. With service support like this, I will NOT be buying another BMW!
Module Masters in Idaho I think does the ABS rebuild for 250 or something like that. There is the GS911 scan tool. The problem with Motoscan is that it's android only. I might try it with BlueStacks on my Mac to see if it works though. I do all my own maintenance and repairs on my 2009 RT. Bought it new in 2010. Fuel strip went twice, replaced under extended repair notice by BMW. There is a new recall on the fuel pumps that may apply to you.
Yep my 07 ABS light was on and BMW was looking £1100 to replace the ABS unit, a little research done, removed it my self and sent it away, got it back repaired within the week with a lifetime warranty for around £150 + £5 for new brake fluid and three years later still going strong!
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Ego did the repair ?
Could you provide some info about it please?
This guy can sell more bikes with this video than the whole bmw sales team
Thanks! Now if I could only get a commission on that lol
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Tim that is freaking awesome! This is what I call a real review and only after 105k miles. Hell yea. Other guys will take a brand new demo bike and pretend to do a some sort of a review within that half an hour of riding (if that). On top of that their riding experience is that of a total beginner.
I'm putting along with my Yamaha super tenere, love that bike.
Thanks
I appreciate that video probably more than anything else you've put out there. It's hard to find good honest reviews about bikes with higher miles. Not so many people ride them that much! Good for you for breaking 100k! I believe your video on the saddle sore ride is the one that got me to do mine! So thank you for that. It was fun, and rewarding. I just wish I didn't lose a front tire in another city mid day!
Again, I really appreciate this video! It was a great one!
Great review.
The center stand gets in my way too, just as you described.
I check my own valves clearances because it is really easy to do. However, I don't replace the gasket unless it leaks, which hasn't happened to date.
Greg, how often have the valves actually NEEDED adjustment in mile intervals?
@@northerniltree i think it’s pretty random i heard some bikes need it after 10000kms and some don’t even after 50000kms
Def a noteworthy review having put that amount of miles on it. A fantastic mix of terrain too. Appears that it is dialed in, broken in and will serve your needs for another 100k!
And that right there, Tim, is the best review of this bike ever. From a guy who actually went the mile. thank you!
Great review Tim. Sometimes things prevent total honesty, but the GS was one of the best bikes I’ve owned. Weight distribution, smooth throttle/ power distribution and just plain nimbleness of the bike are the main reasons. I did switch the stock seat with the tall seat right when I got it but experience the same lack of comfort. I have tried an air hawk but just could never get comfortable with it. (Like the sheep skin though) Tried a friends custom made Sargent for a ride, it felt good but was a short ride. Maybe one of your other followers has more experience on one. The rox anti-vibe risers were a great add, I put them on all my adv bikes. The only other thing I did, that I would swear by, is spend some big $ on upgrading the entire suspension. (Shocks and forks) that was the single best really noticeable improvement I’ve made. I’ll have to look into the clutch, thanks for the tip.
Be well and safe travels my friend! ~B
I replaced the stock seat on my RT with a Sargent...Huge difference. The OEM sears on most bikes are rubbish. Love your channel Tim. My wife and I are definitely ordering your book as we moto-camp a lot. Your materials helped us get through the COVID winter! Be well.
Funny how our butts can be so different. I don’t mind the seat too much on the GS, and the seat on my RT does just fine.
@@luisbraz-ruivo Butts of steel!
If you try an Air Hawk seat pad, just a small puff of air is all you need for comfort. It doesn't deflate on it's own either. Worked for me but the manufacturers put a bright red stripe down the middle of the seat. I have taken a black permanent marker to it and works like a charm (nothing on my bike is red and I don't want to draw attention away from the bike and onto a seat pad).
Try a Cool cover mesh cover (from UK) on your seat. I spent a week in August with one of these on my bike, and it made my ~430 mile daily mileage very manageable. Very breathable cover, but it doesn't detach you from what the bike is doing like an Air Hawk does.
I love my 1250 gs and only 3000 miles on her , 97k to go ... oh bliss
The seats on the bikes are terrible. I cut a hole in the front foam of the seat for my balls.
You are hilarious Tim. This seat sucks so I’m going to replace it when I get over 100k on it 😏
The cheap side of me identifies with getting your money out of the original. Although to be fair you did spend a bit on maintenance.
My friend Kerri has the same year GS and just turned 130,000 miles on it. Never broke down. Never saw a Dealer except for maintenance , fork seals, and a bent rim. Amazing machine
Just an update. Kerris bike is now over 200k and STILL nothing but routine maintenance and she still tours with it.
love or hate it, the r1200/50gs is the best all around motorcycle on the planet. period.
Awesome review. Maybe the best on TH-cam for the GS long term! I miss my GS after moving to a 790...
I've got a 2007 Honda CBR 150 with over 100,000 miles (160,000 kilometers) on it in Thailand. Still runs well, though the carb needs to be re-built. I change oil at 4000 kilometers and use Motul or Shell synthetic. Here in Thailand, it's not uncommon to put this amount of mileage on small motorcycles. It's needed multiple chains, tires, batteries but those are maintenance items. The clutch is the original and the engine has never been opened.
Love the review man! One thing I'd like to point out is that you usually don't need to replace the valve cover gaskets every time the covers are pulled off. I know you mentioned that's a job you don't do yourself (which I totally get and appreciate). They're pretty beefy gaskets which is probably why they're expensive, but I know BMW mechanics that generally only replace them when necessary. Hopefully that's helpful in some way. Love your videos.
I approve!
I work at the factory and in general you can say only parts that get permanently compressed/deformed or abraded (just like sealed & encapsulated screws) need to be changed.
The valve cover gasket is a rubber sealed copper kinda gasket and only needs to be changed when its damaged. And this goes for about everything on any bike ^^
Agreed...reuse mine multiple times without issue.
When you get as old as I am, and that arthritis creeps into your clutch hand and becomes worse especially on cold damp days, you will appreciate the quick shifter. It saved me from falling into the arms of a DCT; I can use the clutch when I need it, and save my hands when I don’t.
I commute in Paris. I go through a full set of both front and rear brakes pads in about 8,000 miles! Tyres, on average, at least twice as long
I do know how the French ride!! Just like the Portuguese. Brake pads never last that long for me.
167 comments below indicate that valve cover gaskets are re-useable. Really.
Thanks man, mine is just breaking in at 127K and I feel the same bond. Most of what you said is true by me as well ride free.
A great review for someone that basically lives on his motorcycle!
Regarding the key-less FOB loosing connection with the bike. I had the same problem on a long trip, after changing the battery with a generic brand new one, from The Source, before leaving. When I got back home, I found and switched the the old battery back in. Even though it was almost empty it stayed connected perfectly up until the dealership replaced it during a maintenance check with a new one of the same. Basically you need to use the same model battery that came with the FOB (Panasonic I think) and you will be fine.
Agree! I keep a spare fob battery in my puncture kit.
I feel the same overall about the bike. I had the same bike you have and made the up grade for the 1250 about a month ago. I love the new engine, feels a little more well balanced, torquy and in fact it is more powerful, but the 1200 was ok too. Now with the panniers and a passenger, it behaves easily than the 1200. And see that I use to enjoy a lot my 1200. The seat still is a pane. By your experienced opinion I am thinking about changing for a more comfortable one. Thanks for sharing, it is quite useful to count with long using experienced riders opinions. And thanks for the numbers. Costs are always a point to pay atention.👍🏻
Great Video! Can't wait to put 100k on my vstrom 650xt! I love it and hopefully as reliable as everyone says they are!
I ADDED GEL INSERT TO MY VALKYRIE....BEST THING I EVER DID FOR COMFORT...
great stuff... got 20k on a 1250 ... a way to go
Russell Day Long seats are great
And if you get a custom seat, put a heating element in it.
I have a 2019 Honda Africa twin and the seat is terrible. I have tried a Corbin AND a saddlman don’t waist your money. That are over priced and junk honesty in my experience. I am currently on the waiting list to have a Russell day long seat built and am super exited to have it dun and back to me so I can try it out!
Just sent my GSA seat pan to them today. Tired of the sore arse!
Great Review. One question i have. What is the fuel economy in the highway?
Like the other comments, I agree, best review I've seen👍👍 glad it's not just me that thinks the seat is awful, it's so frustrating that it's so uncomfortable, I use a cheap Chinese air hawk copy that is as good as my genuine air hawk but was only 18 British pounds off ebay👍
I wish someone from bmw will be watching this...
And I also wish this new 1250 will get to 100k miles...maybe if you replace the engine 🤔
Your overview and experience is appreciated and awesome. I had dirt bikes as a kid, Harley Ds later and then a K1200 BMW. BMW was incredible bike. Thanks!
Every bike has a separate shift timing profile and it takes me real time (not just hours) to internalize it so that I shift silently and jerklessly up and down without thinking so much about it. It’s like playing a song you’ve learned. A lot of the skill is now in your hands.
Great review Tim, also very personal too, watching you smile as you talk about the pros of your bike, it really shows how much you like her! On side note, can you pls hare the software you use to edit your videos? Thanks in advance and keep it up, you're doing great!! 👍👍
Hey Tim nice review, I also ride a 1200GS but the previous version with no water cooling and dry clutch so interesting to hear your review. I have not wanted to spend $600+ on an after market sit so I use the arihawk cushion for long rides. It is cheap and a game changer as you can adjust the air and always make it feel different so pressure is never on the same spot. Also helps with the air flow. Take care
Absolutely on point. Great review. You touch on things that most people don't discuss in detail, including sales guys at dealerships. GS's are balanced, great at many things and terrains, reliable, expensive to fix if you break something (but we don't get into this game unless we can afford it lol.), but they don't break easily, and absolutely a joy to ride anywhere. I realize I'm just stating the obvious especially to any other GS rider, but for the newbies or folks thinking about a GS. As NIKE says" Just Do It"
Great review Tim! With the 3 valve checks you've had, have you ever had to have a valve adjustment done?
Hasn't needed it so far
I have watched loads of your videos and will never venture off road but ,you convinced me to get a GS used of course its a 2013 with 77000 kilometres. I do not think the seat is staying too long,but a bit of fixing to do first. At 74 I doubt i will do 100,000 mile review . God bless.
Only 4 air filters? I would change that with every oil change, especially with off-road usage.
We shared your story on www.ikzoekeenmotor.nl in The Netherlands. Thanks!!
Awesome Tim! The maintenance & tire schedule is a great checklist for us newbies that can be used for most Adv bikes, my Yamaha Ténéré 700, well done!
ABS is there when you're not always on your game., I 've got it, it's never been intrusive. Tire pressure monitoring ( when it stays working) is God's gift to mankind., I worked in a tire shop years ago, & the lack of proper inflation was like leaving a few bolts out on an aircraft wing. Checking valve clearance is easy & cheap, adjusting it ( the usually tight ones) requires a lot more work , & usually a bunch of different size shims you're unlikely to have with you. ,So I agree with you there ,although you may want to try checking them yourself to see if they need adjusting.I've seen ridiculous instructions dutifully followed by on line videos, when really all you have to do is have the cam lobe directly opposite from the surface it presses down on.My bike instructions involve removing the front wheel , peering through tiny access holes to look at timing marks just so you can adjust some valves simultaneously., Then taking out spark plugs (instead of just loosening), all absurd when you can just leave everything assembled & line up the cams by very slowly turning the engine to let the compression leak out the loosened spark plugs & then reuse the gasket (if it's undamaged)which is most of the time! ."KEY FOBS NOBODY WANTS" ., BUT COMPLAINTS GO UNHEARD TO THE DEALER BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS BREAK YEARS LATER !! & most cost a fortune to buy & program.
Well said!
ABS has almost killed me &my pillion when it tripped when I was trail braking on an off ramp.. absolutely not a fan
Great review
My tyres never last that long.
Best I've had is 5000 on rear.
Great motor to do that many miles trouble free.
Thanks!
Every thing I wanted to know about putting a serious amount of miles on mine..
Priceless 👍
Ride safe guys
did you change the damn seat yet?
I appreciate it for what it is - a bike that makes me happy. I'm with you 100%. Would love to know what tires you were running at the time of this review, what you're running today, and how they compare. Thanks Tim.
Nice review. I ride a 2013 1200 GSA and it is the most fun motorcycle I have ever ridden and I have been riding since 1964, if we can call a Trail 90 a motorcycle, as a kid. The value of the BMW exceeds the cost for me. One thing you might have added in your stats is your average fuel mileage. Mine is around 47 mpg. The GS GSA is always the gold standard that all other adventure bikes are measured against. And the BMW is set up from the factory for two up touring. Just a great bike.
If you cut the end of the thumb from a heavy duty black rubber kitchen type glove, you can stretch it over the top of the Keyless Ride switch. It looks really neat, covers the whole switch, and is obviously very flexible, if it deteriorates over time just replace it with the same thing. It's just a little bit cheaper than a new Keyless Ride switch, hahah.
Thanks for the update, I just picked up a 2005 R1200GS. very happy with my purchase. It needs new tires, but no big deal.
Hi russell, please next video or this subtitle in spanish.. saludos amigo
Great video. Thanks for the details and your experience with the bike. I bought a R1250GS earlier this year and I have about 10K on it at this point. I am from Quebec Canada so the riding season is pretty much over now. I will get it out again in April. I also love the bike. It's a great ride. Couldn't be happier really. I hope it will stay trouble free for a long time as I am not much of a mechanic and I don't think I could change a clutch :-) It's not a perfect bike, but as for you, it fits me well. I love the power of the boxter engine and the comfort of the ergonomics when I am riding it. Anyway, thanks for the video and keep riding my friend. Dan
Nice review. If you are careful you don't have to replace the gaskets everytime you check the valves. The seat will be much more comfortable if you remove the bar risers, you will have to lean forward slightly, exactly as BMW designed the ergonomics, they know what they are doing ;-) I have 2018 model, done 40,000km in 18months.
Mate can you put some effort in and do a real long term review. Like a million miles. 🤭
Great review, if ain’t broke don’t fix it . Safe travels .👍🇬🇧
Great review, real-life and honest, I appreciate that!! Ride on bro👍!
Tim, I've owned a couple of BMW's and ridden quite a few and ALL seats require replacement. That's just the way it is, IMHO of course. Great job
The seats are a huge problem...since forever I think. The short answer is that BMW has made the choice to put a seat on that feels pretty good on the showroom floor and for 10-minute test rides because it helps sell bikes. The real problem is the seat foam is too soft and weak, so it gets over compressed after an hour or so, it lacks resilience, and the aftermarket seats all utilize denser foams to correct this.
Too bad BMW can’t take a clue from certain German shoe manufacturers that understand this phenomenon yet continue to successfully produce and sell shoes that use dense foam midsoles, because those “harder” shoes end up offering better all day foot support. That’s what the seats/our butts need.
Great informative video. I have a 2015 Triple Black. 26k miles only ... love it (with the only exception being the gear change). Did that new clutch make the shifts any less agricultural?
I'm looking for a used one, but the cost of replacing clutch is frightening and many don't have a maintenance log, so it's a bit like playing Russian roulette. I wish I could afford a new one, but it's not an option at the moment.
Great review lots of good insight on the GSA, i have a 2015 now for almost a year and have much to learn about this type of bike,have always rode pavement on Harley Davidson, got tired of pavement so i bought a 650 gs just to try it, loved every minute but at 6' and 200# it just wasn't big enough for me and a week of gear, so i sprang for the big guy...safe travels.
Well maintained 2011 GS 1200 with 100,000 miles or mint 2007 with 3200 miles that's been stored for years! Yes 3200! Same price. Torn on which to get.
Tim - I have the '19 1250 GSA and that bike is a dream - the engine is incredibly smooth, clutch like butter, quick shifter much improved, etc., etc. You're dead on about the feeling you get when riding it. It's addicting and confidence inspiring. Go anywhere, do anything. It does it all very well. I think they improved the seat since the '15, cuz I don't feel the pain like you do. Also the Puig windscreen is the best after market one to get. Taller, but has the same styling as the OEM. Great review, thank you!
Great review! That's almost the same opinion i have of this bike. :D I own a 2018 R1200GS Adventure Rally and already have 40000km/25000mi in 2 years on the clock! If you ever think about changing/uprading your bike to a newer version. Think about taking the adventure variant. It's a little bit heavier, but the tank capacity is insane and the wind protection is slightly better because of the big tank... aaaand the stock Adventure Rally version already comes with 'better' footpegs, crash bars etc.
Great review. Totally honest. I think buying new is the way to go if you can afford to. I have had a few secondhand low mile GS and GSA and all had big faults. Still my favourite bike. I now ride an Africa twin DCT.
Great honest review. I have the 1250 and love it. Already put 26,000 miles on it and I plan to keep it so I'll probably see 100K. I wish I could get that kind of mileage out of tires. I'm only getting about 6500 miles out of front and rear.
No final drive/drive shaft issues? That's amazing. Great attitude for ownership of any bike: accept it for what it is!!
Was thinking... a 1200gs?? Why such a large bike? 105,000 miles and going strong, that's why!
Great review! I had a few comments as a fellow GS owner (2013).
Seat - try a Sargent, and if you need airflow, I recently added a Cool cover 3D mesh to it, which is awesome.
Surprised you didn't mention the ESA shocks, which are maybe the best part of the bike to me. Along with the low center of gravity, it's what lets you go from chasing down sport bikes to crawling over trails. I'll need to get my shocks rebuilt soon. Since you didn't mention that, I'll assume you need to soon as well. They'll go about 50k before they start needing a rebuild, unless you're doing a lot of off-road, in which case cut that to 25k. At 100k they must be pretty ratty.
Great review! I’m riding the 1200 RT (street only version). Didn’t think you needed to change the cover gasket every time you opened it, at least I don’t do so, and without any leaks.
Is it good for long highway travels with a passenger? I'm thinking of buying one of these in future to take road trips to US from Canada with my in law.
Air hawk!! Haha. Come on Tim.
I keep waffling between a GS and a Tenere. My buddy's both ride GS and swear by them....
I've been eyeing up the Tenere as well. The price point is just too good!
The Tenere doesnt weigh 300kg...
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Did you say you had to replace the valve cover gasket every time it was removed? On my 2010 I’ve never replaced it.
Great review!
10-15k miles out of a rear tire (aswell as 100k miles on a set of front brake pads) and "riding the bike pretty hard" definitely doesn't add up though.
Whats unusual about 100k out of a set of front brake pads, 95% open road cruising. He obviously a good smooth rider.
@@checker3694 sure, thats not "riding hard" though.
On my sportbike I'll need new pads after 6k miles. Even on my 70hp VStrom 650, which I primarily use for commuting and 2up-trips, I'll need new pads after 15k miles. This might be partially because I live in the middle of the alps where you naturally need to brake more, but 100k is still absurd.
@@Ozmeister666 Riding hard could been 600 miles in a day across the plains in the Midwest, stopping 4 times, with 8 brake applications, all done in last 10 meters before stopping. Or a sports bike in cities riding 6 miles with 600 hard applications, sorry do the math
@@checker3694 I guess, if you wanna interpret it this way. Atleast around where I live, riding a motorcycle hard means lots of acceleration and braking and going fast through corners.
@@Ozmeister666 interpret it as you will.
I just picked up an 05 for scrap price, and have to work on it before it runs. I liked your video review of yours, especially because we seem to have similar riding styles. I can't wait to get out on this thing. Hopefully before the summer ends.
Wow. Amazing. You sure it's not 100, 000 miles & not,, 10,000!?....Here in India we consider it real long if you manage to keep your front brakes OK at 15,000 kms... That's about 10, 000 miles.
Thanks an interesting & useful video as usual
Thanks for your honest review of this I just purchased a second hand 2014 model with 23000km on the clock, man this is the best motorcycle I have ever owned, I hope to put a lot of miles on it, so it is great to hear they have longevity as well as that fun factor
Thank you for posting this, really considering a GS as my next ride, and it's nice to know how well they hold up long term.
2006 GS1200 with several issues. The last issues at 50,000 km were a faulty fuel pump and a leak in between gearbox and clutch. That was it for me.
She's sexy but like a diva. Probably Ducatis are more reliable now.
Great video man! I actually just picked up a new GS 1250. Let’s meet up!
An excellent review Tim.
IMO you were spot on in all areas, especially the seat. WTF are they thinking in Berlin when the send the GS/GSA out with those seats?
Keep up the great reviews.
Excellent work reporting your seat time at 100k miles, awesome in itself. Thanks for all the info, best sales pitch yet!
I have to agree on the seat. The wife and I have been thinking of getting a Sargent Seat for our 750. Keyless ride I was not to interested in it but I really did not have a choice, 1.5 years later the bike just told me the battery is at 50%. The battery in my Toyota fob is 16 years old, it only opens the doors but it has only been replaced once in that time. I also have a puig windscreen as they seem to be the cheapest option but yet give great coverage! BMW should give you a deep discount on a new version for all of the free advertising they get from you! By Deep I'm talking free! Wishful thinking on my part
Try a Sargent seat with a Coolcovers cover on it. Perfect combo short of a russell day-long.
I really like the 1150s, but I wouldn't own one just because the clutch. I would absolutely get a 1200/1250 though. Wet clutch in the front of the engine changes everything for me.
great review man. so many youtube videos titled reviews are actually first rides / first impressions. this is an ACTUAL review.
Awesome review, Tim, that bike and you have been through a lot together. Have a great weekend, brother! 😊✌
This is someone who knows engines, as evidenced by the intro "I finally broke in the bike @ 100k miles".... People think the break in service is done at 600 miles lol
We need more reviews like this.Real world experience racking up alot of miles.Thank you for posting👍👍
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I have a 2022 1250 GSA, and I can relate to the seat. After about 2 hours my "baggage" goes absolutely NUMB !!!!!!! It literally frightens me sometimes !!!! But I bought it to keep it. I want to know how many Triumph's and Ducati's go 100,000 miles or better ....... I bet, not many ....... Great video !!!!!! 🙂
The next time you have to replace the clutch, leave the friction plates to soak in engine oil overnight to give them time to impregnate the oil. Doing this will prevent premature wear or even failure of the friction plates if you put them in dry. :)
Great video. I like your stuff and am a subscriber. I can't afford that machine! I had go a more affordable route with the Himalayan. Figured I could afford to sort of use it with a bit less worry. Maybe one day. Be safe.