It also allows me to find MY missing link. *Seriously where the fuck is it? I have been looking for it for 12 years now, and I still haven't found the it.*
*When you're having trouble making a SoulEdge copycat, but spent most of the day doing the OST with your garage band, to scrap the first idea and ended doing pixel art, realized that you already paid three professional seiyuus (Takeshi Kusao, Satomi Koorogi, Kaneto Shiozawa) and you left no money to hire Koichi Yamadera, so you had to buy a six pack of beers and end voicing the Main Character YOURSELF.* That's The Missing Link for you.
Still a pretty impressive game, considering it was made by a group of people who were straight out of school and had no idea what they were doing (and if I recall correctly, part of it was made while they were still IN school, though I might be wrong on that). It also has Axl’s coolest neutral pose, so there’s that too, I guess.
It was also made for a console that couldn't handle 2D fighters very well which is why you never saw any version of Street Fighter 3 or Guilty Gear X on that console
There is a way to trick the PSX to run 2D games better… make a basically flat 2-4 or so polygons square and place the sprite in but _that didn’t happened_ The only experiences Daisuke and co had is _that they played KOF and probably Fatal Fury_
Reminder that due to the infinite bar, you can do Dragon Install like 3 or 4 times and just deal all of the damage in the game with a single DP. Missing Link is fun
@@CherryPixelBun Volcanic Viper is always at level 3 when you're in Dragon Install. That's why every subsequent game has the DI heavy DP deal multiple hits, it's a reference to this game.
"justicr can cycle her super and instawin!" did you know: dr baldhead can duck under justices fuckhuge laser, and if you move in and input mad operation before she re-lasers you Can counter it
Adding on, Sol also have Bandit Revolver which have I-frame for some reason, so you can input it as Justice is firing her big god damn laser and goes through it and counter her.
The first game in the majority of series tends to be rather rough, so _Missing Link_ being a kusoge is hardly surprising. Let us just be thankful it actually got to develop into something great unlike so many other games that have crappy starts that thus led to immediate dead ends. [Insert footage of _Balan Wonderworld_ here as one of the most recent, very public examples.] If anything, then this video reminded me that I actually find how disgustingly poorly TACs were implemented in _MvC3_ even more of an issue than X-Factor, which is saying a lot given how obnoxious both systems were/are. To this day I still don't understand why they seemed to ripoff something from _Tatsunoko vs. Capcom_ without *also* porting over the counterplay to it, instead replacing it with a nigh-impossible guessing game. It's so dumb and, unlike this game, from a game that doesn't have the excuse of being the first, rough game in an eventual series.
When you consider that MvC3 was made by the same people who did Bloody Roar & Castlevania Judgement, it actually does make some sense why a lot of its system mechanics are janky and poorly implemented. They might have experience, but it’s not exactly experience as being stellar fighting game designers.
@@CrossfacePanda Huh. Noted. I have never played _Castlevania Judgment_ (or _Tatsunoko vs. Capcom_ for the record), but I have also never heard anything good about _Judgment_ either. I have played _Bloody Roar_ though, and while it's been many years, I don't remember that game being that bad despite its issues. Maybe it got far worse past the second game since I think I only played the first two. Shrug. (All I know is that it's basically definitely dead like every other property the current husk of Konami unfortunately has in its clutches. A moment of silence please.) The most annoying thing to me is that we'll never know if Capcom would fixed this seemingly glaring issue, like they at least tried to do with X-Factor, in that mythical updated version Yipes apparently implied would have existed if not for Disney's greed. It would have been nice to fix TACs and probably *literally* the worst throw-break system I have ever seen among a few other things, but instead we got _MvC: Infinite_ dumped on us by Overlord Disney before they killed *that* too in barely over year. Sigh. Oh well.
@The Damned Bloody Roar to me was always an extremely clumsy, not all that well thought out series of games with an extremely cool concept behind it. Still casual fun, but lacking in polish and depth compared to Capcom, SNK & Namco’s offerings from the same time period. Imo, it’s Japan’s version of Mortal Kombat: not exactly ”bad” games, but janky feeling, with a gameplay design that seems to lack in-depth understanding of what makes fighting games good (specifically thinking of old MK games, though I’d say the ”jank feel” still applies to modern MK).
@@CrossfacePanda Hmm...I see. That's definitely a fair assessment from what I remember of the games outside of them being *far* more fun to play by one's self compared to the _Mortal Kombat_ games with its telepathic, cheating A.I. at times. It does fit with _Bloody Roar_ arguably being one of those "XTREME!" 1990s game series even though it wasn't as bloody, much less as gory, as _Mortal Kombat_ was/is. I guess that makes it the fighting game equivalent of _Twisted Metal_ then: a fun but overall clumsily executed series of a good concept that spawned several games but still never really went anywhere and just eventually vanished. It's a great shame that the _Bloody Roar_ series will never get any chance for more polish with the current Konami situation and whatever has been going with that company for the past decade or so. At least with the greedy House of Mouse, we'll likely get another _MvC_ game eventually--though its quality I would worry for--once they finally drag The X-Men, Fantastic Four, and the other Marvel properties kicking and screaming into the MCU to maximize profit (and pseudo-monopolies). Meanwhile _Bloody Roar_ is currently just stuck being wasted potential or at least doomed to gather dust in current Konami's vault even for the people who thought those games were good mechanically on top of enjoying them.
I mean, if you can just kind of erase from everyone's brain the knowledge of how to do taunt cancels and infinites, that's like half the bad gone right there...
I think the important part here is what you said about it being a fun drunk game. Back when people were still figuring out what the hell a fighting game even was, that kinda fun “YO WHAT WAS THAT? THAT WAS BULLSHIT lets do it again” factor counted for a LOT. The dev team were geniuses at figuring out what was fun and how to retain it while making it actually good and balanced.
I read somewhere that Daisuke just wanted to release a metal album and decided to toss in a fighting game with it for fun (pretty sure it was a joke but it stuck with me)
As a brief correction for the instant kill portion, the victim needs to input quarter back + attack button to cancel it. The meterless, unblockable P+K startup method isn't even the intrusive portion to this mechanic. Instant kills can also be activated by instant blocking certain grounded normals. You can instant kill to counter any S poke, if the opponent doesn't option select 214. If it wasn't for the instant kill stuff, it's a pretty fun kusoge. The timescam BS is dumb, but friends can agree not to do it. Meanwhile, the speed and sheer bustedness of your options are fun to see just how far you can break the game.
Pro Xmen vs Street Fighter players will say the same thing specifically about that game as well. "A game so broken, it's balanced." Everyone has a major glitch you can exploit and everyone has wacky infinites.
This is anime Footsies. The game called Footsies. Where you die in 1 hit and have 3 blocks instead of health. And you only get 4 moves. Except it's anime styled
I think most people will agree that it doesn't hold up. It's like a steam engine. Pivotal in the field it was in and made history, but absolutely no one will want to use it now
@Dr.Sir Bruce Armstrong Mother Fucker The Third “I think it’s still pretty fun” But you back up this argument by comparing it to fighting games of the time? That doesn’t really prove your point
I'm of the mind that infinites are just bad, period. They turn a two player fighting game into a single player combo exhibition where the other guy is just sitting around waiting for his turn. That said, I played the first guilty gear back in its own day and I loved it. I also didn't know how to do any infinites or the taunt cancel and in retrospect, I'm really glad the internet was still kind of in its infancy so my friends and I couldn't look up those techniques, because we had COUNTLESS hours of intense matches that probably looked a lot more like Daisuke intended anyway.
@Awawawa CM Exactly. Not only does it cease to be a game for the player getting trapped, it gets pretty dull for the spectators too. Once you know how the round is going to go and exactly how the rest of the combo is going to look, the hype is gone.
@@StubenhockerElite Saw a tournament round of Skullgirls where someone started up a combo. The other guy picked up his water bottle, took a drink, put it back down, stretched a bit and STILL had about 20 seconds before the combo killed his character off. He KNEW he was dead and he KNEW it was gonna be awhile. Don't get me wrong; I like Skullgirls for its style, but when a tournament player knows he has time to grab a drink between combos, something is wrong.
Yeah, that Sol ff+K infinite? It's not. It's a self death sentence in the corner because the opponent can tech, nail you in the grounded recovery just at the time for a good jump-in, and go for a charge cancel infinite.
Missing Link is the prime example of something I adore in gaming; incredibly rocky starts for what ends up becoming a pretty hefty series/franchise. Going back to the first entry in games is a great way to get a better appreciation of how they got here, and to see what bat shit stuff they threw at the wall only to see it dropped or substantially changed in the next entry.
It's so hard to say this given the bad connotation the sentiment carries, but Strive feels very strike/throw oriented. The movement is still relatively quick, everyone's got the general standard normals, but these changes feel like they want to emphasize the risk/reward factor that comes from pressing specific buttons. This is similar to how you use specific buttons in SF, but with a little GG spice in that there are limited chains, a universal overhead that's pretty quick uncharged and leads into stuff metered (why did SF get rid of UOH? :( ), a pretty refined RC system, interesting defensive mechanics, and Daisuke playing the guitar. It's a different, interesting experiment that will take a lot of tweaking to get to its best form (Daisuke and Katano have admitted as much in interviews), but hell it's releasing in a better state than SFV did, so I'm down for the ride.
I think Strive is great, but as a long time Street Fighter player and relatively new Guilty Gear fan, I like to say that Strive is just Street Fighter with Roman Cancels, which funnily enough kind of is a thing in SF4 thanks to FADCs. To be fair, I haven't actually played Strive, my computer isn't strong enough to run it and I decided to buy Plus R instead of Xrd because it was cheaper and had all the characters from Missing Link which was the only game I had played at that point. But I have seen gameplay from Strive and it really looks like a very footsies based game that happens to have some stuff unique to Guilty Gear, while Xrd and Plus R seem like very neutral heavy games that reward aggresive yet thoughtful play.
@@EMAhubris Probably because Pet Shop is an autowin you have to invest time in and is banned in tournaments 99% of the time also it's kind of taboo on some players to play Pet Shop (understandably)
at the expense of outing myself as The Guy Who Labbed Guilty Gear: The Missing Link, I want to point out a couple things: - any infinite involving repeated OTG knockdowns (like Sol 66K or VV) isn’t real, because there are actually wake-up techs in this game! The input is just... 8+any three buttons. Look I didn’t say it was going to make sense - the “taunt cancel” is actually a charge cancel, with the charge mechanic being a special move that powers up one of your special moves. it is never used for this purpose because it is essentially an empty special move with instant startup and no recovery and thus infinites, but there you go
Guess again 😤 im trying to start a tournament scene in the Scranton PA area sometime soon and GG Missing Link is the game that got me and my friends to start playing fighting games and inspired us to try and do something like this
I miss A.B.A I have Guilty Gear A XX Core for my PS3 and I remember sitting there for hours trying to learn combos. It’s super difficult and broken lol
One of my favorite Missing Link fun fact: Axl had a rush-in multi-hit super that people would fall out of. Not when you connect with it at an odd angle. Not if they were in the air. Just always. You connect with the super like intended and you know the opponent would fall out of the attack sequence could just start blocking halfway through.
Last Blade 2 was SNK and also came out after Missing Link (Last Blade 2 released in November 1998, Missing Link came out in May 1998). The only fighting game Arcsys worked on before Missing Link, as far as I know, is Sailor Moon S
I bought The Missing Link & XX Accent Core R on my Switch around 2019. I did play the former and I have zero regrets, though I have yet to beat an arcade mode yet. Favorite memory I had with this game was bringing my Switch to a gathering at a friends and playing a few rounds with friends and goofing off. And by goofing off I mean the moment I started a match with one of my friends I Insta-killed from the get go as they question life and what just happened. Good times!
This game gives me nightmares. I 100%'d it over several streams. most of them just broke down to me seething with rage whilst finding the one combo/button that gets me past the mess that was stage 11 Justice. **Who literally reads your inputs whilst your making them**
6:00 now... admittedly Justice was an intentionally busted boss character, so her super being absurd isn't all that suprising... that being said... why is this a thing
I'm going to be real, I love Strive. It's got depth but it's also builds you up from easier combos to harder ones while still rewarding you in games. Losing feels fun. I bounced off xrd despite loving it because the execution barrier was so high. Gotta disagree with your initial assessment of it. With that said I feel like we gotta remember the original game was designed in and era of arcades and bars so it was intended for 2 kids or 2 drunk adults to pick up and play even though it came out on the ps4.
I got into this franchise after picking up that one steam bundle that had all of the games available on Steam (including GG1 and Overture), and for story purposes, I decided to start by completing GG1's Arcade Mode with all 10 non-unlockable characters, *and* unlocking all of the characters. In order to fight Baiken (the prerequisite for unlocking her), you need to complete Arcade Mode as Sol or Ky, _without continues_. In a game with GG1's Instant Kills, and CPUs eager to abuse them. And I didn't know about Charge Cancelling, _or_ _any_ of the infinites (though I *could* tell that Sol's 66k was way too good). Unrelatedly, "Taunt Cancelling" as a name might be a bit misleading. There are two taunt buttons, Taunt and Respect, and every character has one special move where, if you substitute the attack button for Respect, you enter a charging animation and empower your next use of that special, up to Level 3. Technically, it's this charging ability that you're cancelling into and out of, not the respect animation (hence the need to perform a special motion each time). This mechanic was removed in all subsequent games (being replaced by Roman Cancels and Ky's 236H being named Charged Stun Edge), but it's directly referenced by Holy Order Sol (from the GGXX Series), who can Charge to increase the power of his specials, and who can cancel any normal attack into Charge (though in this case, Charging has 13f startup that cannot itself be cancelled without RC).
I tried to get into Guilty Gear by getting the "first one" on steam since that's how I would get into many other series (though not usually fighting games).... I got Isuka and hated it because you had to press a button to turn around
5:42 You're making it sound like this is a bad thing. Well, Fatal Fury started this trend with 2, since you gain access to your supers at critical Health and you gain infinite uses of them.
I mean, with Fatal Fury 2 the supers were not only difficult to pull of but hard to hit as well. This CAN be the case for some supers in this game but for others (Aggressively stares at Millia) It is too easy to just spam and win.
:) thank u And also: I just love how Jojo hftf turned out. The presentation and the moves encourage sympathy and even roleplay. Everything is just so free and character consistent that, if you study the moves and think like the character you're playing as, its just really epic pulling them of, especially because the game isn't fair most of the time.
@Awawawa CM See, that’s the thing: whenever someone compliments street fighter 2, they don’t talk about the mechanics they like or how fun it is to play, their compliments are limited to “it’s the first true fighting game” or “it created the genre”. It might have been a bit fun when it came out, but we can’t judge a game for how fun it was considered 30 years ago, and for a lot of people, it’s a horrifically boring experience with very little depth that a lot of people hate for those same reasons. It’s the game that invented the genre, and should be respected for it, and I do agree it shouldn’t be judged as if it were made today, but… If it came out today, exactly as it is, would you actually consider it remotely good? Would any of your comments make the slightest amount of sense? It invented the genre, but how is that an actual benefit the game has? How does that make it remotely good? If you have reasons to like it, good for you! I’d be interested in you telling me why you like it, I’ve never really seen the fun in it, but maybe there’s something I’m missing, or maybe you just… like playing it. I have no problem with that. But don’t just say “it’s the first” and pretend that adds something to this nothing game. It created the genre and should be remembered and as such, it should be respected as a product of its time, but having the historical context it has and having been considered fun thirty years ago because better games didn’t exist should not be used to say it’s good.
It's pretty, but for the most part it's very confused. It has many QOL things to make it approachable and then gives you whiplash with mechanics that don't directly appeal to that crowd.
It's always interesting to see where a long-running series starts. For a FG spectator like me, the best example that I've personally experienced would be Monster Hunter 1 (and MH Freedom, to an extent, followed by Freedom Unite. Haven't played Dos.) By today's standards, the first gen of MonHun is *absolutely* kusoge, but it's always curious to see what ideas were knocking around at first, what showed promise and what was shed in its following iterations.
Attacking with the right stick instead of buttons. Max sharpness was green and it depleted fast. There were no farms or ways to grind resources besides going on quests with pickaxes and nets. There were no gathering quests, only hunts and egg/stone carrys. You'd very easily run out of backpack space. The single player final boss was Monoblos and Diablos was a secret boss. Lao Shan Lung and Fatalis were locked to online only. I could name more things, but that should give an idea of how AWFUL the first Monster Hunter game was. And you know what? We still loved it.
Monster hunter 1 genuinely gave me my love of kusoges lmfaooo i can NEVER forget the 5 meal tickets of each type and 5 rathalos AND rathian plates for dragon armor, as well as basarios grinds for actually good weapons LMAO. Also green sharpness as maximum
The only reason ill never touch GG1 is the damn flashing lights. My eyes are only somewhat sensitive but christ does watching actual gameplay hurt my eyes.
Another annoying thing about instant kills is that some of the faster one such as Ky Kiske's can be used IN COMBOS. This leads to annoying instant kill combo mix ups that can be hard to react to, especially with the inconsistent input timing for the defender to avoid getting IK'd. Edit note: The Sol infinite can be tech'd out of since it's an OTG, using Up + Any Attack Button will tech but Missing Link doesn't even explain this unless you look at the manual. This applies to most theoretical infinites for all the other characters as well. The only truly infinite combos are taunt cancel combos.
Im actually curious to see what my mans thinks of BlazBlue, given that its kinda the little brother of Guilty Gear in ALOT of ways.... Throw BBTAG in there too, why not? Even though its radically different from both normal BlazBlue and Guilty Gear (Guilty Gear arguably less so given the Burst buttons and how your IK works aint too far from GGs version)
Instant Kill System: Instant Kill Attack is the ultimate move that each character possess. By performing a specific move with Punch+Kick, or guarding a specific attack at the right moment by the opponent, the "Sakkai" will be activated for a moment. During that moment, the offensive player may input ⬇️↘️➡️+ Attack button to perform the Instant Kill Attack. The defensive player can input ⬇️↙️⬅️+ Attack button to avoid the incomingInstant Kill Attack.
Just to pick a random example out of a hat, it’s never going to stop being funny seeing the fake outrage over Skullgirls making some small changes to artwork and also replacing Mike Z’s Russian voiceover (with the goddamn voice of Heavy TF2). “Wah there’s censorship in this game” my motherfucker in Christ this isn’t even vaguely the worst thing that’s happened to this game, not in the past couple years, not in the past decade. This is the third time we’ve switched developers now. The whole fucking game had to be delisted and renamed with Second Encore attached to it. This was a vaguely modern fighting game, and it ran into the same budget limitations as old ass fighting games to produce two whole characters of reused assets. There is so much that should have killed our game stone dead, and it never happened. Also we already changed Filia’s ass before. Also also you can find art of Filia’s ass whenever you want bro
I actually find the instant kill system quite enjoyable, because using it allows me to waste less time playing missing link
Reminds me of that video by core-a gaming about a theoretical fighting game with an instant win button
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It also allows me to find MY missing link.
*Seriously where the fuck is it? I have been looking for it for 12 years now, and I still haven't found the it.*
*When you're having trouble making a SoulEdge copycat, but spent most of the day doing the OST with your garage band, to scrap the first idea and ended doing pixel art, realized that you already paid three professional seiyuus (Takeshi Kusao, Satomi Koorogi, Kaneto Shiozawa) and you left no money to hire Koichi Yamadera, so you had to buy a six pack of beers and end voicing the Main Character YOURSELF.*
That's The Missing Link for you.
Honestly that's a chad way to go about executing one's own vision lol
And it worked
It makes a lot of sense when you remember most of the arcsys founders worked on the last blade series.
And this is the main reason to why I love Daisuke
Truly an inspirational story lmao. Someone needs to make a documentary about it.
Still a pretty impressive game, considering it was made by a group of people who were straight out of school and had no idea what they were doing (and if I recall correctly, part of it was made while they were still IN school, though I might be wrong on that).
It also has Axl’s coolest neutral pose, so there’s that too, I guess.
Axl looks so aggro in this game it's scary
It was also made for a console that couldn't handle 2D fighters very well which is why you never saw any version of Street Fighter 3 or Guilty Gear X on that console
It's so funny that they went from this Axl to schoolboy-shorts Axl.
There is a way to trick the PSX to run 2D games better… make a basically flat 2-4 or so polygons square and place the sprite in but _that didn’t happened_
The only experiences Daisuke and co had is _that they played KOF and probably Fatal Fury_
And the best music, for most characters.
Reminder that due to the infinite bar, you can do Dragon Install like 3 or 4 times and just deal all of the damage in the game with a single DP. Missing Link is fun
Dont forget to use the taunt charge first to ensure you just delete your opponent with that 4x DI DP
Wait, Dragon Install fucking _stacks_ in this game? That's actually hilarious.
@@CherryPixelBun Volcanic Viper is always at level 3 when you're in Dragon Install. That's why every subsequent game has the DI heavy DP deal multiple hits, it's a reference to this game.
You may not like it, but this is what peak grounded neutral footsies look like.
"justicr can cycle her super and instawin!" did you know: dr baldhead can duck under justices fuckhuge laser, and if you move in and input mad operation before she re-lasers you Can counter it
"its not a depth that people would care about" its Fun. and also dr baldhead is in it. liar.
So because one character can counter it, means that the whole game is immediately redeemed?
@@tootsie_ nah i think gg1 is a very fun bad game though .) it was more of a fun fact from a baldhead kamioshi about a fun bad game i really love
Adding on, Sol also have Bandit Revolver which have I-frame for some reason, so you can input it as Justice is firing her big god damn laser and goes through it and counter her.
@@shootingrock7213 gg1: you can dodge the stupidest attack in the game with the best and worst characters only
finally, Real Guilty Gear.
My Man!
Ah the ground based footsies gg is known for
quick someone show LK this vid, we found it!
Guil'y geh *
I can tell you're a huge fighting game fan based solely on how much hatred of fighting games you can pack into into a single video
We can all agree That Daisuke kept the idea of moba and created jack-o as a punisment for us
That's just overture. Jack-o references the game
@@Living_Target Justice references the game. Jack-O is just a meme.
@@davekaye5483 Justice died twice before they made overture, and hasn't been in a game since, what do you mean?
@@Living_Target justice was in rev 2 though
@@Living_Target the story of rev 2
The first game in the majority of series tends to be rather rough, so _Missing Link_ being a kusoge is hardly surprising. Let us just be thankful it actually got to develop into something great unlike so many other games that have crappy starts that thus led to immediate dead ends. [Insert footage of _Balan Wonderworld_ here as one of the most recent, very public examples.]
If anything, then this video reminded me that I actually find how disgustingly poorly TACs were implemented in _MvC3_ even more of an issue than X-Factor, which is saying a lot given how obnoxious both systems were/are. To this day I still don't understand why they seemed to ripoff something from _Tatsunoko vs. Capcom_ without *also* porting over the counterplay to it, instead replacing it with a nigh-impossible guessing game. It's so dumb and, unlike this game, from a game that doesn't have the excuse of being the first, rough game in an eventual series.
When you consider that MvC3 was made by the same people who did Bloody Roar & Castlevania Judgement, it actually does make some sense why a lot of its system mechanics are janky and poorly implemented. They might have experience, but it’s not exactly experience as being stellar fighting game designers.
@@CrossfacePanda Huh. Noted. I have never played _Castlevania Judgment_ (or _Tatsunoko vs. Capcom_ for the record), but I have also never heard anything good about _Judgment_ either. I have played _Bloody Roar_ though, and while it's been many years, I don't remember that game being that bad despite its issues. Maybe it got far worse past the second game since I think I only played the first two. Shrug.
(All I know is that it's basically definitely dead like every other property the current husk of Konami unfortunately has in its clutches. A moment of silence please.)
The most annoying thing to me is that we'll never know if Capcom would fixed this seemingly glaring issue, like they at least tried to do with X-Factor, in that mythical updated version Yipes apparently implied would have existed if not for Disney's greed. It would have been nice to fix TACs and probably *literally* the worst throw-break system I have ever seen among a few other things, but instead we got _MvC: Infinite_ dumped on us by Overlord Disney before they killed *that* too in barely over year.
Sigh. Oh well.
@The Damned Bloody Roar to me was always an extremely clumsy, not all that well thought out series of games with an extremely cool concept behind it. Still casual fun, but lacking in polish and depth compared to Capcom, SNK & Namco’s offerings from the same time period.
Imo, it’s Japan’s version of Mortal Kombat: not exactly ”bad” games, but janky feeling, with a gameplay design that seems to lack in-depth understanding of what makes fighting games good (specifically thinking of old MK games, though I’d say the ”jank feel” still applies to modern MK).
@@CrossfacePanda Hmm...I see. That's definitely a fair assessment from what I remember of the games outside of them being *far* more fun to play by one's self compared to the _Mortal Kombat_ games with its telepathic, cheating A.I. at times. It does fit with _Bloody Roar_ arguably being one of those "XTREME!" 1990s game series even though it wasn't as bloody, much less as gory, as _Mortal Kombat_ was/is. I guess that makes it the fighting game equivalent of _Twisted Metal_ then: a fun but overall clumsily executed series of a good concept that spawned several games but still never really went anywhere and just eventually vanished.
It's a great shame that the _Bloody Roar_ series will never get any chance for more polish with the current Konami situation and whatever has been going with that company for the past decade or so. At least with the greedy House of Mouse, we'll likely get another _MvC_ game eventually--though its quality I would worry for--once they finally drag The X-Men, Fantastic Four, and the other Marvel properties kicking and screaming into the MCU to maximize profit (and pseudo-monopolies). Meanwhile _Bloody Roar_ is currently just stuck being wasted potential or at least doomed to gather dust in current Konami's vault even for the people who thought those games were good mechanically on top of enjoying them.
what TACs
"game comes out tomorrow" yet again reminded that I bought the PC version
ArcSys treating PC players like shit as expected.
You can't even buy the soundtrack if you don't have a PS4.
whats funny is I tried out Missing Link out with my friends yesterday and we had a shit ton of fun
Yep, it's fun but bad
That's right, Kusoge games are broken but still extremely fun
It seems like the kind of game that can be insanely fun with friends as long as everyone knows what they're getting into from the start
I mean, if you can just kind of erase from everyone's brain the knowledge of how to do taunt cancels and infinites, that's like half the bad gone right there...
You could play with an ignited bag of dog shit with friends and it would probably still be fun
I think the important part here is what you said about it being a fun drunk game. Back when people were still figuring out what the hell a fighting game even was, that kinda fun “YO WHAT WAS THAT? THAT WAS BULLSHIT lets do it again” factor counted for a LOT. The dev team were geniuses at figuring out what was fun and how to retain it while making it actually good and balanced.
I read somewhere that Daisuke just wanted to release a metal album and decided to toss in a fighting game with it for fun (pretty sure it was a joke but it stuck with me)
That sounds like the story of the Strive soundtrack. I feel missing link had very character fitting songs
@Donkey That sounds more like what BlazBlue was intended to be before Guilty Gear's abscence led it to become a fighting game.
@ET Mutant You probably don't.
Even as the first game of the series Daisuke delivered with an amazing soundtrack
True
Oh my God 2 Leon videos in less than a week? How many virgins were sacrificed Leon?
How many virgins is a single Leon worth...?
At least 50
Leon probably just sacrificed himself to himself.
@@tornadoandy123 I would say around 75?
I can assure you at least one, cause it was me, but damn was it worth it.
As a brief correction for the instant kill portion, the victim needs to input quarter back + attack button to cancel it. The meterless, unblockable P+K startup method isn't even the intrusive portion to this mechanic. Instant kills can also be activated by instant blocking certain grounded normals. You can instant kill to counter any S poke, if the opponent doesn't option select 214. If it wasn't for the instant kill stuff, it's a pretty fun kusoge. The timescam BS is dumb, but friends can agree not to do it. Meanwhile, the speed and sheer bustedness of your options are fun to see just how far you can break the game.
so everyone is broken
at least that makes more balanced than Marvel vs Capcom 2
Pro Xmen vs Street Fighter players will say the same thing specifically about that game as well. "A game so broken, it's balanced." Everyone has a major glitch you can exploit and everyone has wacky infinites.
Its the PS2 HNK fighter
This is anime Footsies. The game called Footsies. Where you die in 1 hit and have 3 blocks instead of health. And you only get 4 moves. Except it's anime styled
And the IK's are just Demon's
@@Fizz-Q that's more like the game's super, since any special is IK anyway
Functionally, it's a super throw
“Ima be honest with you I think Street Fighter 2 is trash”
You can’t just drop a statement like that and immediately move on you madman!
I think most people will agree that it doesn't hold up.
It's like a steam engine. Pivotal in the field it was in and made history, but absolutely no one will want to use it now
@@seokkyunhong8812 SF2 is the 3rd highest grossing arcade game of all time, behind Pac Man and Space Invaders.
It held up plenty.
Well I mean at the time combos we're not that for players at time just defeat your opponent and that's it
@@shaunmcisaac782 that's not how holding up works dumb dumb.
@Dr.Sir Bruce Armstrong Mother Fucker The Third “I think it’s still pretty fun”
But you back up this argument by comparing it to fighting games of the time? That doesn’t really prove your point
Leon you are the only essay youtuber I watched that excels at smoothly sliding in his GARBAGE opinions and honestly I LOVE that.
Keep it up!
Finally, How a no noob friendly guilty gear feels according to The fandom
I'm of the mind that infinites are just bad, period. They turn a two player fighting game into a single player combo exhibition where the other guy is just sitting around waiting for his turn. That said, I played the first guilty gear back in its own day and I loved it. I also didn't know how to do any infinites or the taunt cancel and in retrospect, I'm really glad the internet was still kind of in its infancy so my friends and I couldn't look up those techniques, because we had COUNTLESS hours of intense matches that probably looked a lot more like Daisuke intended anyway.
@Awawawa CM Exactly. Not only does it cease to be a game for the player getting trapped, it gets pretty dull for the spectators too. Once you know how the round is going to go and exactly how the rest of the combo is going to look, the hype is gone.
@@therealbahamut Sounds Like Skullgirls
@@StubenhockerElite Saw a tournament round of Skullgirls where someone started up a combo. The other guy picked up his water bottle, took a drink, put it back down, stretched a bit and STILL had about 20 seconds before the combo killed his character off. He KNEW he was dead and he KNEW it was gonna be awhile.
Don't get me wrong; I like Skullgirls for its style, but when a tournament player knows he has time to grab a drink between combos, something is wrong.
You just reminded me why I stopped playing mvc3 online.
I pretty much memorized Dante and zero's infinite.
Dont get wobbled 🤷♀️
Guilty Gear was created because someone sat down and said "I wanna make a fighting game"
“you win a whole game just because you hit one move?”
looks at melee ics
Melee ICs have to hit four wobbles to win. In case the repetition wasn't enough, GG1 IKs win after a single input if the opponent doesn't counter.
@@SuperLuigiKart64 thank you
1:46 Oh, I’m pretty sure everything about this game was 100% intended by the developers.
Absolutely, and God bless them for making it, cause this is the funniest game in existence
For those interested, this game is called ultra fight da kyanta 2, its free on steam, please play it.
"I think street fighter 2 is trash"
THAT'S THE POINT
I play this game purely to take out my anger on the ai
Based.
@@calb6109 Ngl works better than therapy
@@bumblerinteractive1554 maybe i should buy this game after all...
nice
That's pretty based
Apparently in missing link there’s a tech button, down + 3 attack buttons, that made some infinites untrue
and that it wasn’t even discovered until recetnly
@@jojosventure4531 yea the og game had no mention of it but the re-release had documentation about it in its help menu
Yeah, that Sol ff+K infinite? It's not. It's a self death sentence in the corner because the opponent can tech, nail you in the grounded recovery just at the time for a good jump-in, and go for a charge cancel infinite.
omg multi
Missing Link is the prime example of something I adore in gaming; incredibly rocky starts for what ends up becoming a pretty hefty series/franchise. Going back to the first entry in games is a great way to get a better appreciation of how they got here, and to see what bat shit stuff they threw at the wall only to see it dropped or substantially changed in the next entry.
It's so hard to say this given the bad connotation the sentiment carries, but Strive feels very strike/throw oriented. The movement is still relatively quick, everyone's got the general standard normals, but these changes feel like they want to emphasize the risk/reward factor that comes from pressing specific buttons. This is similar to how you use specific buttons in SF, but with a little GG spice in that there are limited chains, a universal overhead that's pretty quick uncharged and leads into stuff metered (why did SF get rid of UOH? :( ), a pretty refined RC system, interesting defensive mechanics, and Daisuke playing the guitar.
It's a different, interesting experiment that will take a lot of tweaking to get to its best form (Daisuke and Katano have admitted as much in interviews), but hell it's releasing in a better state than SFV did, so I'm down for the ride.
1 month later. Strive is fun as hell. So I think the experiment worked out
I think Strive is great, but as a long time Street Fighter player and relatively new Guilty Gear fan, I like to say that Strive is just Street Fighter with Roman Cancels, which funnily enough kind of is a thing in SF4 thanks to FADCs.
To be fair, I haven't actually played Strive, my computer isn't strong enough to run it and I decided to buy Plus R instead of Xrd because it was cheaper and had all the characters from Missing Link which was the only game I had played at that point. But I have seen gameplay from Strive and it really looks like a very footsies based game that happens to have some stuff unique to Guilty Gear, while Xrd and Plus R seem like very neutral heavy games that reward aggresive yet thoughtful play.
Ah yes, back to the only true GG
Back when the game had honest grounded footsies
What do ypu mean?
@@Dracobyte just memeing on the general glorification of “grounded footies”
Only a joke, obviously that is not the case in most GGs
Strive jab aged like milk
Play this on PC and don't cap the framerate, you will experience something magical.
jojos hftf is my favorite fighting game and kusoge is a positive point when I see people discussing fighting games. kusoge is fun!
Good old basketball game
Almost fainted looking at Petshop
Honestly HFTF was fine as long as Petshop isn't played
@@Bubbble_Bear i have played hftf for a little bit and still never played against a pet shop player so imo perfect game from one of my favorite series
@@EMAhubris Probably because Pet Shop is an autowin you have to invest time in and is banned in tournaments 99% of the time also it's kind of taboo on some players to play Pet Shop (understandably)
"Sometimes Infinites can be good"
What are you actually talking about. You're insane.
I swear unlocking Baiken in this game...
Meet Again PTSD
I legit never played Guilty Gear, and these videos are fun as fuck
play it it's pretty ok
start with Strive when is out or you can play Accent Core +R now is on Steam and the best part it has rollback netcode
@@eliasnicolasmiranda4940 thanks, will do when I have some free time
@Shin Shaman Here's your attention, happy?
I just plated Snk, blazblue, Guilty gear games on my emulators I enjoyed them
at the expense of outing myself as The Guy Who Labbed Guilty Gear: The Missing Link, I want to point out a couple things:
- any infinite involving repeated OTG knockdowns (like Sol 66K or VV) isn’t real, because there are actually wake-up techs in this game! The input is just... 8+any three buttons. Look I didn’t say it was going to make sense
- the “taunt cancel” is actually a charge cancel, with the charge mechanic being a special move that powers up one of your special moves. it is never used for this purpose because it is essentially an empty special move with instant startup and no recovery and thus infinites, but there you go
I feel like I'm the only person who actively plays this game
Guess again 😤 im trying to start a tournament scene in the Scranton PA area sometime soon and GG Missing Link is the game that got me and my friends to start playing fighting games and inspired us to try and do something like this
It’s been over two years and that Hokuto no Ken video still has yet to come out
Leon: "This is Arcsys dumpster baby."
*Sailor Moon*
Maybe the real guilty gear were the gears we guiltied along the way.
6:21 Billy Kane out here with the Fatal Fury cast on the Atari here
watching hokuto no ken footage that isn't in grainy 240p feels wrong
Until this video, I legit thought the game actually looked like a bad flipphone recording.
Eyo dam, Leon on that GRIND! Keep it up, proud of ya
I miss A.B.A
I have Guilty Gear A XX Core for my PS3 and I remember sitting there for hours trying to learn combos. It’s super difficult and broken lol
One of my favorite Missing Link fun fact: Axl had a rush-in multi-hit super that people would fall out of. Not when you connect with it at an odd angle. Not if they were in the air. Just always. You connect with the super like intended and you know the opponent would fall out of the attack sequence could just start blocking halfway through.
Which one? Axl has two supers, and BOTH fail to combo into themselves properly. Axl is a janly character in a janky game.
bruh, some of us have potemkin body pillows, smh
GG1 was blazing bullshit before Strive's theme came out
When you remember the last game theses devs worked on was last blade 2 missing link makes a lot of sense design wise.
Did they really work on stuff before Missing Link? And Last Blade too?
Last Blade 2 was SNK and also came out after Missing Link (Last Blade 2 released in November 1998, Missing Link came out in May 1998). The only fighting game Arcsys worked on before Missing Link, as far as I know, is Sailor Moon S
The Guilty Gear philosophy: Everybody's broken so no one is
I bought The Missing Link & XX Accent Core R on my Switch around 2019. I did play the former and I have zero regrets, though I have yet to beat an arcade mode yet. Favorite memory I had with this game was bringing my Switch to a gathering at a friends and playing a few rounds with friends and goofing off.
And by goofing off I mean the moment I started a match with one of my friends I Insta-killed from the get go as they question life and what just happened. Good times!
This game gives me nightmares. I 100%'d it over several streams. most of them just broke down to me seething with rage whilst finding the one combo/button that gets me past the mess that was stage 11 Justice. **Who literally reads your inputs whilst your making them**
6:00 now... admittedly Justice was an intentionally busted boss character, so her super being absurd isn't all that suprising... that being said... why is this a thing
That imitation of a Californian at 4:40 was surprisingly good! Leon has a surprisingly wide vocal range!
While this was a good romp, I demand _with peace and love_ you take back what you said about Tekken Force
I'm going to be real, I love Strive. It's got depth but it's also builds you up from easier combos to harder ones while still rewarding you in games. Losing feels fun. I bounced off xrd despite loving it because the execution barrier was so high. Gotta disagree with your initial assessment of it.
With that said I feel like we gotta remember the original game was designed in and era of arcades and bars so it was intended for 2 kids or 2 drunk adults to pick up and play even though it came out on the ps4.
New fact learned today: the first guilty gear is called missing link
MISSING LINK IS THE BEST OF THE SERIES FIGHT ME!
I got into this franchise after picking up that one steam bundle that had all of the games available on Steam (including GG1 and Overture), and for story purposes, I decided to start by completing GG1's Arcade Mode with all 10 non-unlockable characters, *and* unlocking all of the characters. In order to fight Baiken (the prerequisite for unlocking her), you need to complete Arcade Mode as Sol or Ky, _without continues_. In a game with GG1's Instant Kills, and CPUs eager to abuse them. And I didn't know about Charge Cancelling, _or_ _any_ of the infinites (though I *could* tell that Sol's 66k was way too good).
Unrelatedly, "Taunt Cancelling" as a name might be a bit misleading. There are two taunt buttons, Taunt and Respect, and every character has one special move where, if you substitute the attack button for Respect, you enter a charging animation and empower your next use of that special, up to Level 3. Technically, it's this charging ability that you're cancelling into and out of, not the respect animation (hence the need to perform a special motion each time).
This mechanic was removed in all subsequent games (being replaced by Roman Cancels and Ky's 236H being named Charged Stun Edge), but it's directly referenced by Holy Order Sol (from the GGXX Series), who can Charge to increase the power of his specials, and who can cancel any normal attack into Charge (though in this case, Charging has 13f startup that cannot itself be cancelled without RC).
I tried to get into Guilty Gear by getting the "first one" on steam since that's how I would get into many other series (though not usually fighting games)....
I got Isuka and hated it because you had to press a button to turn around
Pls start with XX or Xrd. Why did you hurt yourself playing them?
@@kyshowman6847 I just assumed Isuka was the first one, tried it, hated it, and never played Guilty Gear again
As janky as the turn button was in Isuka, the game was definitely good fun playing with friends... Especially in 4v4. 😎🤟
It's weird that he didn't mention Judgement, it makes me feel like im stuck in a world where only a few people talk/mention Judgement.
isuka deserves more discussion. Nothing else is bad in quite the same way, and as a 4 player game it does at least exist.
And now we know you can tech out of "OTG infinite"
Man the ps1 version of "Meet again" is so good.
Death and Republic, man. THAT is how you introduce a fucking boss.
8:41 If I wasn't supposed to buy a ramlethal bodypillow why did they build her like a brick?
Finally the Best Game ever made is getting a vid
The REAL Guilty Gear
5:42 You're making it sound like this is a bad thing. Well, Fatal Fury started this trend with 2, since you gain access to your supers at critical Health and you gain infinite uses of them.
I mean, with Fatal Fury 2 the supers were not only difficult to pull of but hard to hit as well. This CAN be the case for some supers in this game but for others (Aggressively stares at Millia) It is too easy to just spam and win.
Samurai shodown special moves are hard to pull off too
i think he's just saying it's very abuseable due to the way certain supers work, like justice's or that other homing projectile one
ph so this is what everyone wanted strive to be. now I know what REAL guilty gear is
2 Leon videos in a week? What sort of beautiful bizzaro world have we entered ♥️
This man calling Overture bad is a hot take.
I’d also love to see that HNK video, that game is wild.
:) thank u
And also: I just love how Jojo hftf turned out. The presentation and the moves encourage sympathy and even roleplay. Everything is just so free and character consistent that, if you study the moves and think like the character you're playing as, its just really epic pulling them of, especially because the game isn't fair most of the time.
"I think street fighter 2 is trash"
UNFATHOMABLY BASED
@Awawawa CM nah man, sf2 isn't fun relative to any video games at all, not just modern fighting games
@Awawawa CM is it fun though :/
@Awawawa CM See, that’s the thing: whenever someone compliments street fighter 2, they don’t talk about the mechanics they like or how fun it is to play, their compliments are limited to “it’s the first true fighting game” or “it created the genre”. It might have been a bit fun when it came out, but we can’t judge a game for how fun it was considered 30 years ago, and for a lot of people, it’s a horrifically boring experience with very little depth that a lot of people hate for those same reasons. It’s the game that invented the genre, and should be respected for it, and I do agree it shouldn’t be judged as if it were made today, but… If it came out today, exactly as it is, would you actually consider it remotely good? Would any of your comments make the slightest amount of sense? It invented the genre, but how is that an actual benefit the game has? How does that make it remotely good? If you have reasons to like it, good for you! I’d be interested in you telling me why you like it, I’ve never really seen the fun in it, but maybe there’s something I’m missing, or maybe you just… like playing it. I have no problem with that. But don’t just say “it’s the first” and pretend that adds something to this nothing game. It created the genre and should be remembered and as such, it should be respected as a product of its time, but having the historical context it has and having been considered fun thirty years ago because better games didn’t exist should not be used to say it’s good.
Fighting games must not be for me if genre influencers think Granblue is bad. It's honestly one of the most beautiful fighters to me.
It's pretty, but for the most part it's very confused. It has many QOL things to make it approachable and then gives you whiplash with mechanics that don't directly appeal to that crowd.
Glad there's finally a video on the jank of gg1. Can't wait for the hnk vid!
5:20 “so, you have chosen to die 1000 deaths.”
When your IK system is worse than HnK you know you have big problems.
1:49
Boko bar
Boko Bar
BOKO BARRRRRRRR
It's always interesting to see where a long-running series starts. For a FG spectator like me, the best example that I've personally experienced would be Monster Hunter 1 (and MH Freedom, to an extent, followed by Freedom Unite. Haven't played Dos.)
By today's standards, the first gen of MonHun is *absolutely* kusoge, but it's always curious to see what ideas were knocking around at first, what showed promise and what was shed in its following iterations.
Attacking with the right stick instead of buttons.
Max sharpness was green and it depleted fast.
There were no farms or ways to grind resources besides going on quests with pickaxes and nets.
There were no gathering quests, only hunts and egg/stone carrys. You'd very easily run out of backpack space.
The single player final boss was Monoblos and Diablos was a secret boss.
Lao Shan Lung and Fatalis were locked to online only.
I could name more things, but that should give an idea of how AWFUL the first Monster Hunter game was.
And you know what? We still loved it.
Monster hunter 1 genuinely gave me my love of kusoges lmfaooo i can NEVER forget the 5 meal tickets of each type and 5 rathalos AND rathian plates for dragon armor, as well as basarios grinds for actually good weapons LMAO. Also green sharpness as maximum
Sailor Moon S was developed by ArcSys wasn’t it? I wonder if the infinite super in low health thing was sorta left over from that game
I see kusoge in the thumbnail and remember you in the hnk discord server, this gonna be a great vid
lol yeah I saw him in the hftf server too
Isuka and Overture may suck but at least their soundtracks are bangers
Overture is underrated tbh
overture doesn't suck at all, it just does an incredibly bad job at actually teaching how the fuck it's even supposed to play
Franchise equivalent of Street Fighter I - It can easily be skipped, but the sheer jank can make for some amusing moments.
around 9:00 , epilepsy warning. dear lord the flashing
Always happy to see Kyanta 2 for any reason, such a weird but enjoyable game
The aligator with a jun and the dog with the farts, what a game
“Ah, guilty gear!”
Gets Vietnam 2 flashbacks from that isuka clip
Heritage for the future is a fun kusoge if you don't play the damn bird. And nobody on fightcade does lmao.
The only reason ill never touch GG1 is the damn flashing lights. My eyes are only somewhat sensitive but christ does watching actual gameplay hurt my eyes.
Yeah bbtag I have on record of carnage scissors hitting a character that doubled jumped.
Another annoying thing about instant kills is that some of the faster one such as Ky Kiske's can be used IN COMBOS. This leads to annoying instant kill combo mix ups that can be hard to react to, especially with the inconsistent input timing for the defender to avoid getting IK'd.
Edit note: The Sol infinite can be tech'd out of since it's an OTG, using Up + Any Attack Button will tech but Missing Link doesn't even explain this unless you look at the manual. This applies to most theoretical infinites for all the other characters as well. The only truly infinite combos are taunt cancel combos.
Im actually curious to see what my mans thinks of BlazBlue, given that its kinda the little brother of Guilty Gear in ALOT of ways....
Throw BBTAG in there too, why not? Even though its radically different from both normal BlazBlue and Guilty Gear (Guilty Gear arguably less so given the Burst buttons and how your IK works aint too far from GGs version)
6:26 thats omega mode too, something that no one cared about.
They call it “Missing Link“ because it is the Missing Link in the evolution between fighting game and complete bumfuck.
Instant Kill System:
Instant Kill Attack is the ultimate move that each character possess.
By performing a specific move with Punch+Kick, or guarding a specific attack at the right moment by the opponent, the "Sakkai" will be activated for a moment.
During that moment, the offensive player may input ⬇️↘️➡️+ Attack button to perform the Instant Kill Attack. The defensive player can input ⬇️↙️⬅️+ Attack button to avoid the incomingInstant Kill Attack.
9:08
The fucking “Because… *BECAUSE* .” kills me everytime.
Remembers Blazblue Calamity Trigger....Yea first entries are fucking rough, S/O to not having minimum damage in supers in the year 2008
The FGC is so focused on how developers make poor decisions now, we forget about the somehow-even-worse decisions they made in the past.
Just to pick a random example out of a hat, it’s never going to stop being funny seeing the fake outrage over Skullgirls making some small changes to artwork and also replacing Mike Z’s Russian voiceover (with the goddamn voice of Heavy TF2).
“Wah there’s censorship in this game” my motherfucker in Christ this isn’t even vaguely the worst thing that’s happened to this game, not in the past couple years, not in the past decade. This is the third time we’ve switched developers now. The whole fucking game had to be delisted and renamed with Second Encore attached to it. This was a vaguely modern fighting game, and it ran into the same budget limitations as old ass fighting games to produce two whole characters of reused assets. There is so much that should have killed our game stone dead, and it never happened.
Also we already changed Filia’s ass before. Also also you can find art of Filia’s ass whenever you want bro
You’ve just sold me on this game. I’m gonna play it with my friends now