Tekken's Banned* Bottom Tiers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มี.ค. 2024
- Or at least, they used to be.
And it's not like ALL of them, it's just Tekken 3.
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I just want to apologise for this video taking so long. In reality it wasn't THIS video that took 5 months, this was more around 9 weeks - coming off of several months of videos that just weren't any good at all. I would hope, and also expect, that to be the longest period without an upload ever. I am still alive, yes I am bald, I've been bald for an entire year now please stop coming into my stream and asking why/when I went bald.
I'm excited to watch it!
With the production quality of your videos, the wait is always worth it. Don’t beat yourself up for taking your time.
Production and editing in this is fuckin top tier - absolutely well worth it brother
Welcome to the BGC
Never need to apologize for taking your time king, we'll let you cook.
Gon was simply banned because Mishima mains were seen running out of the venues crying when they were told Electrics were now useless
Coolio
Funny you say that when Mishimas second most spammed move: hellsweep, especially Heihachi's, was the second best counter against Gon😂
@@JAXI0N
What the fuck are you doing in my replies, get back to the Fountain
Heihachis god fist was mid, as @@ametozukumazu6073 said he had vr good tools to deal with him.
@@ametozukumazu6073what's the first best?
Gon is that terrible awful situation were your going to class to take an exam and suddenly out of nowhere that final thing your teacher told you about might be on the test was actually the whole test to begin with.
Good memories of highschool where our teacher said "Don't worry, Cos Sin and Tan wont be on the calculus test thats next years thing" before the test having 10 questions requiring that knowledge.
I was told once that "if it's on the internet, it will *always* be on the internet" but what I find is that entropy and the internet dark forest theory creates a reality where old stuff is becoming *exponentially* more difficult to find with every year that passes
Pretty sobering to think about
If a guy through a dead forum complains about Gon, but no one is there to read his post, did he complain at all?
@@guccipotato9466but if we have no proof, we’ve no choice but to *assume* it may never have happened. that’s the conundrum!
Schrodinger’s Gon says Gon was both legal and banned until we have a confirmation
The "Chase Dat Gold LARP Rap" is gone as far as I can tell and it's a huge loss
@@tappydani9378 I never got why people even question this. Humans are not the center of the universe if something happens, and no one saw it doesn't mean it suddenly didn't happen.
SAVE. EVERYTHING YOU CARE ABOUT. I have personally responded to two requests for media I alone may have had. Of those two requests, one was for Zelda fanfiction I was a fan of and the other was a Doom WAD I no longer have. It's the only way we're getting past this
OH HELL YEA
is that the legendary King god CONEY himself?!
we love tekken
yow you one of the super smash bro's ultimate guy's part of panda
When can we expect the video?
Hi coney
The AsumSaus thumbnail joke at 15:51 got me good
Gon Final Destination No Items
aMSa: The Only Gon (who could do it)
Other notes:
* Gon is one of the few characters not added to Tekken Tag Tournament 2. There is no sign of a Tekken Tag Tournament 3.
I remember harada mentioning because of licensing he will most likely never return.
7:48 gonna be honest here, I had no idea that was a slur (tbh this is the first time I've seen it in any context), and I can't figure out how it's supposed to be a slur, so I can definitely see how, if the devs had a vaguely similar-ish background to me (Midwest and/or 90% WASP populated town) they'd have no idea that they were being offensive.
I've also never heard of it and I'm from New England. I also lived in the deep south for a few years and still have no clue what it is or means. Or even what race identity etc. It's supposed to be a slur for
Looking it up, it's a slur used by US Soldiers from the Korean and Vietnam Wars for people of East Asian Descent.
Guesses for the meaning behind it are heavy... ranging from the high powered weapons the soldiers used spliting their heads open like they were unzipped; to Military Jeeps being used to run them over a lot so they'd have tread tracks on their bodies and by extension their heads; to it being a pun off of the acronym ZIP for Zero Intelligence Potential, effectively calling them too stupid to be worth leaving alive...
It was from Midway, who were based in Chicago.
7:45 Anyone that is a fan of Maximilian knows about Biofreaks, also I was today years old when I learned about a slur that's been around since the Korean War. Thanks I guess Leon.
The chinder chagger ninja dagger
yeah that feels like something I/someone would absolutely walk into on accident, much like that game I guess lmfao.
I remember the game from sbfp and how they challenged Max to beat it.
I thought you'd mention the fact that Dr.B has an entire moveset of Heihachi, but only under some weird circumstances. It's called ''True Stance'' and there's like about 2 ways to get into it, but in true Dr.B fashion, it's very difficult to pull off, especially during a match.
Dr. B actually has almost every move the game has animations for. He can also do Ogre's Infinite Kick Chain (which he stole from Lee,) after a ki charge. Watch a Dr. B TAS sometime.
the balatro Nope! at 1:38 made me flinch in anger.
As a fellow Balatro enjoyer, I feel your pain.
Ditto
Heihachi should consider pivoting to high card instead of using that three of a kind punch combo
it's called The Wheel 'cuz it's the Wheel of Samsara and boy am I suffering
dipped in doctor Bs chili oil
Banning something that is annoying? Yep, that sounds like fighting game communities.
7:47 in their defense, i literally have never heard that slur in my life and would not have thought of it as one and that's in 2024
Yeah, that part completely baffled me; I couldn't even *begin* to decipher what group or ailment it could even be referring to.
Then again, I guess you could argue that's the case for a lot of that kind of terminology.
Honestly, good on you both
Your editing and animation is so damn clean, those 20 minutes felt like 5 at most. I don't know the first damn thing about fighting games but your videos are so captivating even someone who'd lose to Gon like me can enjoy them.
4:50 "A gameplan of crossed fingers. Which he doesn't have."
This lives rent-free in my head. He's just a little goofy guy!
The cardboard cutout is pretty funny on its own, but honestly you probably could've used the scientist from Half Life and nobody would bat an eye
The animation quality on these vids are insane. Love your stuff!
Great video! I have fond memories of playing Dr. B back in the day.
These two characters getting banned makes me think of the ban on wobbling. At the time, I thought it was a stupid decision. Nerfing a character that was almost a non-presence at major tournaments struck me as just whiny players being whiny. But at the end of the day, a game needs to be fun.
I remember there was a lot of talk about Eddy & Christie's b14 in Tekken Tag 2. People defended it by saying that it was possible, with tons and tons of practice against that specific move, it could be overcome. Kind of. But did that make the characters fun to fight against? Or negate the fact that it took almost no effort to cheese b14 combos but tons of effort and concentration to counter them? Maybe not.
It's a difficult one. There have been numerous online Keyforge tournaments that banned Heart of The Forest despite many other cards being more powerful, but people just straight up despise that card and the restrictions it forces on both gameplay and deck selection.
It doesn't matter how much you can point fingers at people being whiny. If all those people stop playing and the game dies, is that the better outcome?
I think with wobbling, the problem was there was no room for outplay once you got caught in it. But at the higher level most people knew how to work around it. But even then, there’s the famous clip of mew2king getting caught in it at a small tourney, and he looks so absolutely sad lol
You have no idea how many Tekken characters who fit the bill of 'They're not winning, you're just losing' applies to. Hwoarang is one of the the worst characters in T8...if you lab him for 30 hours...
This is true, perhaps I should have elaborated. If you look at characters like Hwoarang, or Ling, they do have VERY high knowledge walls to overcome, but after that point there's still a mind game within their kit. I also don't necessarily find the match ups fun, but there is a more elaborate game that the player imparts onto the character as much as the character imparts onto the player. Once the knowledge check of these characters fades away there's very little going on, which is the problem.
In a sense, I guess they were banned from T3 for the same reason chess tournaments have dress codes. It's not that playing a grandmaster match wearing an ahegao hoddie is unfair or cheating, it's that it's not in the spirit of the game. What that "spirit of the game" is is what's open to interpretation and has some people foaming at the mouth over the mere existence of Happy Chaos, while others simply accept it. Where that line gets drawn is always going to be somewhat arbitrary, and is going to change over time.
No shirt
No shoes
No Gon
@@TheCrewExpendablewhy should I have to wear a shirt and shoes just to earn the right to play as Gon?
@@Gloomdrake This is a classy establishment. Next you're going to tell me you don't hold the arcade stick with pinkies out!
thankfully we allreaydy know the smell of the game
If my clothes aren't in the "spirit of the game", then it must be a fashion game. No, it's Chess. Watch guys in sweats win world series of poker. Similar to Chess, elitist say stuff like you said, not the people who like to have fun
Gon but not forgotten ❤
I've heard that there's a pretty significant number of people still actively playing Tekken 3 in India. something that could've helped to get info on the competitive scene
Yeah he should have just reached out bro why didn't he do that thing you "heard" of?
@@Frostile Someone clearly doesn't know how researching works.
nobody plays gon here 😹 he's not officially banned anywhere but like with south korea and tekken 2 bruce, people don't play him as a silent agreement that broken characters are forbidden
0:48 IS THAT RAKUGA KIDS
Idk
Yes
The way you tell these stories is absolutely phenomenal. Honestly, i go back and re-watch so many of your videos just to see the funny animations and listen to these great stories told in such an interesting way. Taking the knowledge and making a fun story out of it, or a lesson, or something else always makes my day better when i listen and watch your content. Keep doin what your doin, its great!
Amazing video quality, holy shit the 3d modeling just for a video is crazy
American here. Never heard of zipperhead. Had to look up what it meant. I think it's pretty safe to say the devs didn't know it was a slur.
Definitely. I've never heard it before, either.
The amount of animation in this video is INSANE! Amazingly clean and informative work, awesome stuff!
Great video Leon!
There is something about the design of older fighting games that I kind of miss.
Things being less intended for the competitive scene, but said scene adapts anyway and the weird revelations that come along the way.
the weird awkward characters that play fast and loose tend to be a lot of fun to explore and play.
Every single video of yours I see I keep being further impressed by your amazing editing! Fantastic work!
Wow; the editing on the KBD section! And I didn't know about the nitty gritties of the gameplay of these two. Thanks for sharing! Great video!
18:47 Generally I agree with the shirt's mindset, but having a pushback on it so it doesn't get out of hand is good, too. The amount of times I've see someone say "git gud" as a catch-all shutdown of even valid criticism is obnoxious. Good vid.
I really love editing and production value on this video. Great job!
i haven't caught a massey video in a long time, it's insane how much visual flair your videos have gotten over the past while. super engaging stuff
You're right, I'm not putting Chun li Figures into jars. Im putting Marissa figures into jars.
Awesome edit man, these 3D models and background animations are very cool.
This hit my algorithm and just want to comment to boost it and say this was an excellent video. Love the editing style!!!
The 3d spaces you create, for the background and other things, are really cool
3:28 I like how Gon walks offscreen when the camera wasnt focusing on him anymore
The animations and 3D spaces are great. Awesome video!
Man the production alone on this video got a like from me. Great little external animations, 3:30 I love the personality you gave him when the spotlight goes off and he wanders out of shot is just brilliant.
I love Leon. I come here for the story, I leave with the knowledge of More Slurs
seriously though, amazing video, Ive always been so fascinated with Gon and i even read the manga cos of how much I love this lil agumon guy and this is more than I ever couldve dreamed of
Also, fucking fantastic editing as always the stair clip made me bust out laughing
It makes me happy to see one of these videos finally get some traction again. These last few haven’t done great, and it makes me sad to see an essayist of Leon’s caliber not get much attention
leon massey videos are always worth the wait
Hey, Leon. Just wanted to say I’ve been watching your stuff ever since the Twelve video, and I’m super impressed by how much your craft has evolved. Keep it up.
This video was amazing, I absolutely love your editing!! More Tekken videos pleaseeeee
welcome back to your channel Leon massive
Man, I would've watched this video even if it was just game clips and site screenshots but the editing here made this such a nice experience, easily worth recommending and coming back too 😁
In short, Gon is that one MF from Goldeneye 007 that you just hate having to deal with in Multiplayer PvP due to his small size. He's why Smash has a weight class system in the first place as even Sakurai got fed up dealing with characters like Gon in tournaments.
Amazing video dude, hope you're doing well. The production quality is awesome.
2:50 I love watching a seemingly random video about a game I’ve never played only to find out it’s actually detractor style content, dood
Hell yeah, I've been loving Tekken 8 and it's been a long day at work. A Tekken video from you is like a miracle lol
Whether it comes from a place of salt or not, the fact is that most people just dont think its fun to deal with shit thats designed to annoy you on purpose when trying to play a video game for fun. If I wanted to be upset on purpose, I'd go outside and kick some bricks barefoot. Characters like these are arbitrarily imposed barriers that aren't fun to get over and once you do, the character simply doesn't exist anymore. It's a waste of everyone's (player AND developer) time and energy and was left behind for a reason. It's not like it even does anything for you beyond the game either, there is no "personal development" bs either that comes with the principle of just dealing with it. Its literally just doing homework so that you can get back to playing the game you wanted to play from the start.
What a great 20 minute video that I definitely sat through all of. That one part, where you said the thing? Egad!
i'm such a layton fan, I instantly recognised the song used. HUge W Leon. I love it when you add layton music to your vids
Nice video! Very informative! I like how Dr. B is just a cardboard cutout and Gon is fully animated.
I personally love joke characters because they stand out from everyone else. Why choose from a bunch of punchy dudes when I can pick the kangaro/dinosaur with boxing gloves, old man or bear? Joke characters are fun to play and funny to win with. Besides, if "being annoying" was justifiable reason to ban characters, half the roster of every game in existence would get banned.
Great video! Well written and cool editing. I have never actually seen that basement stage in Tekken 3 before! :o
Your editing has become absolutely godlike!
That little Balatro Wheel of Fortune "Nope!" hit SOMEONE right in the recent PTSD, I know it
Tbh, bad moves or characters that just knowledge check the hell out of you and require an unreasonable amount of research and lab time to beat. Is what *all* of tekken feels like to me. Gon is just a exaggerated microcosm of the whole game/series lol
Isn't every move a knowledge check in any game until you know how to deal with it?
@@shaghilathar3588 no, but technically kinda sorta yes. it depends on how you define knowledge check.
most moves, in say street fighter 6 for example, *if you know the core system mechanics of the game* are very intuitive and readable. So you don't have to have any specific knowledge or lab work to deal with them. just know that blocking exists and grabs lose to jump etc.
tekken though..... i mean i think you know. shit is so hard to read what does what, on too of having unholy movelist lengths. it's knowledge check city
@@SuperLemonfish Yep that's fair
I was a teenager when Tekken 3 was a thing, and it is what got me into the series and one of the games that made me actually devote effort to learning how fighting games worked. Thank you so much for this, I love this video, and how it makes me feel.
This is the first video I´ve seen from you, and I just gotta say I LOVE your editing in this!
I just wanted to say that I see the incredible editing haha, I see you. Great work as usual!
Cant believe you balatro wheel of fortune noped me within the first 2 minutes, I HAVE PTSD MAN YOU CANT JUST FLASH THAT
Banning Gon and Doc B. cuz the players are too afraid of them is embarrassing.
"They had to be banned so the LARGE groups of doctor b and gon mains are gonna lame out the tekken 3 tourneys" is such a bs take lmao
The presentation of this one was amazing!
This was a funny and good watch, thanks. Funny to see listen about a low tier character being banned simply because they play differently and have a subset of rules/knowledge within the game especially these days considering some of the seemingly broken things fighting game characters can do these days
Hi, this is that random 'Sparing' discord user from the video :d
I'm one of if not the most long-lasting Tekken 3 online diehards and I have my own take on what a modern tier list with a dedicated player base would look like, it's in my profile description if you are curious
Also one of the high level Indian tournaments was taken by a Gon player recently, it's in one of their still active archives
But by no means do I take away from this video, the 'there was never a universal rule set' aspect is present to this day, it was interesting to see the topic tackled
You put WAY too much effort into this video and it's animations and I love every second of it.
Great video man! I hope the people from the Classic Tekken Discord server ended up usefull to you in the research and in footage (maybe im wrong but from the gameplay footage maybe its from the matches you had in there with us?). Im the one that just luckly guess that you were working on a Tekken 3 video because of a joke LOL.
ps: love the Gon 3D model
In short, Xiaoyu should be banned from ranked and tournament play.
7:30 Legend Of Mana music? Good taste as always Leon
Yaaay more Leon! Always a pleasure 🙏
damn the direction of the video was great
1:39 BALATRO MENTIONED :D
awesome video as always... ive been in the "dont really give a fuck about tekken" crowd my entire life but this still kept me engaged all throughout. keep up the good work!!
THE GLORIOUS EGG MAN IS BACK
"you didn't even know [Bio F.R.E.A.K.S.] existed until just now"
me, a SBFP Fan: "Don't cite the deep magic to me, Witch. I was there when it was written."
I know I say this every video, but I REALLY like your animations Leon. You've got like, a good idea of comic timing and composition, and the choice of framerate is *just* janky enough to make them stand out but not unwatchable.
"They're really annoying" is also the reason smash ultimate players use to want to get rid of half the roster
What?
You're so right, but honey this is a Tekken video
@@AllTheCoino i know dw
Smash ultimate's playerbase are the type of players to call footsies "camping" and treat anything other then going head first into your opponent "lame"
With a playerbase like that, any character who's not a rush down is "annoying"
I was not expecting an Akatsuki Blitzkampf reference 0:52 seconds in but I do appreciate it. I've only played Akatsuki Blitzkampf Ausf Achse and am a Marylin Sue main but that game goes crazy. It's insanely good.
wooah the editing is so cool
Me and the rest of DSP-gang won't take this slander lying down.
Unlike Dr.B
Fantastic. There's already only a few pretty smart reviewers online essentially being the cream of the crop such as Joseph Anderson or Matthew Matosis that, in spite their gaming history, will never in a million years cover fighting games, and especially without even a smidge of the visual effort you now put into your own work. No disrespect to most other game analysts out there, but you're a rarity amongst an already small pool of well spoken, well researched, and well informed people who make some truly finely crafted content.
Word salad to hopefully get your attention aside, I love your stuff! I hope to reach a similarly great presentation for my own videos someday. Cheers!
Yesterday was a great day to subscribe lol, I will forever expect daily uploads. Jokes aside thanks for the pleasant surprise
I blame Gon for why Tekken 3 got no re-release. The licensing is only the PS1 version and Sony forbidds publishers and developers modifying PS1 games to be sold as PlayStation Classics.
Gods, your editing style? Closest to divinity our world will likely see. Your voiceover is well accompanying it as well.
the editing is crazy good...
And yet another example of why you make my favorite FG videos. The research, the editing, and the jokes are just so fucking good, dude. It's also funny as a Soulcalibur fan seeing that Yoda was so clearly better implemented than Gon based on Soulcalibur's actual game design alone.
Hitboxes in soul calibur are much bigger and a characters range doesn't depend on their limbs
Eh, his comedy has moved on from going "lol virgin" self deprecation spliced into every 2 minute of a video, but it's not much to write home about ether tbh
@@shaghilathar3588 Literally irrelevant. 15:21 In Tekken you need to "duck" a "high" attack directed at your *shins*. In Soulcalibur when Yoda does a high attack, he very clearly does an attack that hits high. He jumps.
@@spiffythealien Yeah can you name a high that hits your shins?
My favorite quote:
"And bending down beside the glowing bars
Murmur, a little sadly
How Gon fled
And paced upon the mountains overhead
And hid his face
Amid a crowd of stars."
gon was unironically my favorite character in t3 and i wish he'd get brought back for t8
Peak Leon Massey talking about Peak Tekken? Truly a great evening
I think you snuck in a really good summary right at the end. The duality of the word "uncompetitive".
Feeling extremely validated after almost a decade of arguing for the competitive viability of Smash Bros. with people who have likely never known Street Fighter without the Capcom Pro Tour, and appear to assume the CPT emerged fully formed in 1991.
Gons running animation always kills me. He puts so much effort into it.
Thanks for a well edited and enjoyable video, do you mind writing the music credits?
We love a leon massey upload. Certified lunch video material
omfg hiw was that N64 fighting game at 0:48 called again?
childhood memory unlocked oO
Love the kings field IV ost used
Every time I think I can't love you more, you do something like throw a balatro reference in
Absolutely insane editing
16:22 "thinking he's always crushing highs, but he's not", showing Gon eating a mid wind god fist for illustration 😂
I love watching a youtube video and recognising music from an obscure game