Jump Arcs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ธ.ค. 2020
- I love holding Up Forward in [insert fighting game here] it's pretty fun.
Games Used (in order of appearance):
Castlevania
The Legend of Zelda Ocarina Of Time
Dustforce
Dusk
Megaman
Rising thunder
Spelunky
Sonic Mania
Celeste
Cuphead
Battle Block Theatre
Super Mario World
Half life 2
Shovel Knight
Blade Strangers
Ultimate Marvel VS capcom (top right)
Power Rangers Battle For The Grid (Bottom left)
King of fighters 02 Unlimited Match (Bottom Centre)
Guilty Gear XX accent Core +R (bottom right)
Street fighter 3rd strike
Street fighter 2
Street fighter 2 Super Turbo
Guilty Gear Xrd Rev 2
BlazBlue Central Fiction
King of fighters XIII (13)
Super Mario 64
Killer Instinct
Vampire Savior
Skullgirls
Under Night In Birth Exe:Late[cl-r]
Slap City
Rivals Of Aether
Million Arthur: Arcana Heart
Chaos Code NEW SIGN OF CATASTROPHE
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Tournament Fighters (footage from Vampire Arcadia / @vampirearcadia )
Dragon Ball Fighterz
Street fighter 5
Fantasy Strike
Ultra Street Fighter 4
Guilty Gear Xrd Sign
Thems Fightin herds
Street fighter 1
Punch Planet
Tekken 7
Melty Blood
Nitroplus Blasterz: Heroines Infinite Duel
Twitter - / leonmassive
Twitch - / leonmassey - เกม
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My favorite Jump Arc is when Luffy meets and recruits Zoro.
I'm more a Chunin Exams kind of guy myself.
Thanks I hate it
@@liamanderson7082 yeah but in my opinion, the sayin saga is a classic. Has to be on a top three
I really liked seeing this comment
Idk man I really liked stone wars
6:24
I can't believe you've done this
I can’t believe you’ve commented on this
Oh look a wild Brian f appearance
the memer streamer himself
That's a pretty high teir joke
what the
"yo dude what are you watching? is that core-a?"
"no its leon massey"
"european core-a?"
yep
Way to diss on every non-British European.
@@GameGod77 well, it IS a joke
His content reminds me more of FUNKe but for fighting games instead of FPS's
Yes.
"Rivals is the only good platform fighter."
Man's never seen competitive Duck Game then.
This but unironically
I would say Melee, but that's apparently illegal now. Thanks, Nintendo.
Slap City
Rushdown Revolt
This dude put Slap on the screen and then dismissed it.
I'm upset.
@@Maggotbone sorry but both do not compare to rivals mechanically
"One day we'd wake up to Tekken being an air dasher..." What, you mean Pokken?
Shit took me back to my Shadow Mewtwo and Machamp days.
You can already see people playing geese howard jumping around like a 2d fighter
I still don't know why they tried to associate it with Tekken when it plays more like the Xenoverse or Ninja Storm games.
@@ahomicidaltaco It's kind-of an odd fusion between arena fighter and psudo-2D? (You know, phase shifts.) That's kinda what makes it's competitive a bit interesting in my eyes?
@Some characters aren't allowed I'm talking about Pokken.
“Have more subscribers than BrainF” killed me dead
The tiny aspects of fighting games that you cover are why I come to your channel
Jump arcs are a “tiny” aspect of exactly zero fighting games.
This comment proves everyone who pretends to like fighting games never plays them.
@@nathannjh you haven't played a fighting game if you don't hate fighting games.
@Zacoc Jump arcs literally influence every single one of those things save for side steps.
Well, this, the obsession over Guilty Gear, his love of Venom, and his hatred of Jack'o to contrast his love of Venom.
Ah yes, Dave. The most japanese of names
I found you Dave-kun
It like Yu-Gi-Oh abridged instead of Steve it Dave.
“Babe Wake up, New Leon Massey Video just dropped”
“Does it include Guilty Gear?”
“The fuck do you think?”
@@malikoniousjoe It's not Leon Massey without a little bit of Gil'y Gir
Massey uploads is the only time I wake my baby up instead of the other way around.
Me as a smash player:
Ah yeah, jump
"Short hop and nair bois, jump and nair"- A Shulk main
"mid-air jump"
"Just jump and press A bois, jump then A"- a Yoshi main
"Jump and...oh shit I hit the blast zone"
-K.Rool main
@@tyr4489 “oh hey I got that reference I’ll comment”
Babe wake up new Leon Massey video
" Since the jump is so freeform and simple, its pretty unengaging to put Megaman into Mario's style of level design since his basic white girl movement doesn't complement pure platforming"
*SUBSCRIBED*
The first video I watched of yours was the bottom tier, after that I binged watched all your videos because the topics you discussed were interesting! I usually never do this cliche, but I hope you get more subs! Cheers!
same
do this cliche please, it helps if you write comments :) algorithm and such
"ever since I watched this guy talk about the Cum Character, I got hooked"
@@andrewskey3379 do u mean Twelve in #rd Strike?
@@thebigcheese5536 yeah lol
One of my favorite things about peacock from skullgirls is that with the use of her special shadow of impending doom and her 7 different aerial movement options she can basically turn any chance to jump over your opponent into a crazy guessing game on where the hell the sentient fridge is going to bonk you on the noggin.
Also play skullgirls.
Fighting Peacock gives me headaches man. Seriously.
Seven? Super jump, Double Jump, Airdash, J.mk (kinda). What else, or do you mean 7 different trajectories?
@@DripNZ backdash, j.hp, j.hk halts your momentum if your kick makes contact with the opponent, backdash and airdash cancels, superjump, double jump,
Iggy from jojo's also has 7 aerial movement options with the D O G G L I D E being my favorite
No. I don't think I will play Skullgrills.
Waaaaaay back, Arin made the same joke in his Sequelitis video on Super CV: "Everything is just a little more freeform (than Castlevania 1) so you don't gotta buy a fuckin' engagement ring for your jump arcs." It's a good joke.
Edit: oh, you KNEW. Of course you knew. Obviously. I'm not the only one with a seven year memory.
he has returned
"rivals is the only good platform fighter btw"
see now THIS is why i'm subbed. good shit
Lmao I still love Smash tho
Brawlhalla has flaws but it's good. So is smash
Personally I like smash the best although Rivals is very interesting
But I've spent all my time on Smash
not even a passing glance at slap city? for shame, even if rivals is my favorite, too
The Big Cheese yea no. Brawlhala is brawl all over again. Way too defensive. Ultimate has the weird ass buffer / lag nobody asked for. Hell naw.
He did it again. He found another reason to talk about Guilty Gear
When I saw this I was immediately happy.
This feels like a review lecture on a class I haven't taken.
A fascinating glance into the depth of fighting games.
Holy crap an ozma album, made me happy to see
Seriously haha. I had to rewind just to make sure I saw it right
"Rivals is the only good platform fighter, by the way. " Absolutely wild.
He can't say Smash because Smash isn't a fighting game, obviously, so he had to go for the next best thing.
Sarcasm aside though, yeah, good job Rivals.
@@wanderingmarshadow I really should play Rivals more, I just can't get into as much since I dont have friends who also have the game. It is a great game though.
@@Lone_Rocket
Honestly RoA's kinda just been sitting there rotting in my Steam Library, since to be honest I don't really play most games unless it's either a daily thing or I just wanna lab stuff.
@@wanderingmarshadow Give it a go, Rivals is super super fun at a high end level, especially with how complex some characters get with their tech.
He’s not wrong though
Good vid!
I'll always remember this one moment I had when I was starting to get into Xrd, where I joined a casual learning lobby stream from a player who primarily played SF.
His major comment after playing me for awhile was that I really needed to work on anti-airing. This was totally true in a vacuum, as I had bad anti-air reactions, but his comment about it was something along the lines of "As soon as you see me jump you should be hitting that anti-air". And as someone coming over from Blazblue it just left me very confused. "Every time? Don't I have to confirm you're actually coming in first? How can he be so confident?" I largely disregarded that little bit and just worked on general reaction time and comfort with my moves etc.
It wasn't until early this year when giving GBVS a try that I finally got the full understanding of why he would say that as a gut reaction. It was the first time I had played a 2D fighter without double jumps or air-blocking, and suddenly his SF based response of "If you aren't anti-airing immediately that's just a reaction problem" came full circle and made a ton of sense, because that old comment was now dead on.
I can't even do a shoryuken in smash but this video still kept me glued to the screen
"...ready to invade your space like an American police officer."
as an American, I'm offended by your use of facts.
4th Amendment: _Is ignored._
Police officers: "Woo! Yeah baby! That's what I've been waiting for! That's what it's all about! Woo!"
Mean while UK police are kicking down your doors because u used a naughty word online 🤣
honestly loved the in-depth look at KoF, it feels like a really niche series and I liked hearing somebody who knows more than me talk about it
Spending Time on the Borderline is an amazing album. Great to see it there!
" over the rainbow 🌈 shit " LOL. For KOF I see it this way putting aside neutral jumps there's 2 jump options ( Normal jump and Hop ) and each one has a second variation ( Hyper Jump and Hyper Hop ), hops and hyper hops are your friends to deal with zoning and add pressure.
22:36 Tager is my favourite grappler in fighting games because of the way he counteracts his extremely limited movement, in a game where movement is as free form as ever, with many character able to whiff punish you into a full combo from full screen. His movement is pathetic, but the way he attempts to make up for that is with his special gimmick: magnetism.
When you get hit by one of Tager's drive moves, you become magnetised for a set period of time. This will cause certain attacks of Tager's to pull you in towards him. These attacks being all his drive moves AAAAAAAND... his command grabs :)))))
Block a full screen projectile? You better be careful with your run in or you might just be sucked straight into his invuln command grab. You're magnetised and have the gawl to jump? Well he can jump too, and guess what, he has a command grab in the air that he can suck you right into. This magnetism also allows him to do some extremely unique and crazy resets (check out MoustachedVillain if you want to see the best Tager has to offer).
It's such a unique and interesting take on a grappler, and I absolutely love it. (I wish he were better, but tier list discussion is another thing and grapplers always suck anyway lol)
Tager has air dash though in JC...
Jokes aside, I also find Tager's design to be really interesting and wish he was more viable. After playing GG for the first time recently, I really think he needs either a move similar to Slide Head or maybe a C version of Sledgehammer that actually blocks other things than just projectiles.
@@HasekuraIsuna well he already has B sledge, which has armour against all moves. However, it's caveat is that he can still be hit low, like many other armoured moves.
Tager's biggest issues are his poor movement, neutral, and defensive options. Against most of the cast, it can be extremely difficult for him to get his gameplan going, and it's very easy to steamroll Tager into the corner and kill him without ever giving him a chance to retaliate. However, in true grappler fashion, once he gets a hit in, the tables can turn very quickly.
Sadly, his tools to squeeze that hit out aren't very difficult to shut down, making him a pretty all around terrible character.
@@skivvac Oh, you're right, B sledge actually takes High and Mids nowadays. As I remember it it was only projectiles it blocked. My bad.
I think a move like Slide Head, that knocks opponent down if they are on the ground allowing for a single safe super jump to close the distance, would be a way to increase his way of getting closer, without giving him more movement per se.
Seeing as both defensive system mechanics in Burst and CA puts him in a bad spot compared to rest of the cast, giving him something like that would hurt I think.
@@HasekuraIsuna I'm not sure if Pot's moves would exactly patch the holes in Tager's character. For one, the move you just suggested wouldn't function very well in a BlazBlue context. Not only is the arena wider, making it impossible to close the gap with one super jump forward from full screen, but BlazBlue favours being airborne a lot more than Gear does due to barrier being very low cost and allowing you to block everything in the air. For many of Tager's absolute pain matchups, such as Amane or Izanami, I doubt this would help very much if at all.
If I could give Tager one thing to make him better, I'd start with a better dedicated anti air. At present, his anti air options are pretty pathetic. He has 2C, which is an EXTREMELY slow anti air, even for a 2C, and has its head invuln kick in extremely late, making it very difficult to reliably reaction anti air people, and often just downright impossible. His other grounded anti air options are 2A and atomic collider. 2A is his best option against an IADing opponent or the like, and it actually functions all right, but isn't very much help against opponents coming in from directly above or at an angle, as the hitbox is quite small and it lacks any head invuln. Also, the reward you get off of it is pretty measly. As for atomic collider, this is more of a read/space control anti air, and is essentially useless without magnetism, making it less of a dedicated anti air and more of a gimmick.
Outside of all this, basically all he's got is air to airs, with his j.A, j.B, or air command grab, but this lacks any invuln and is again pretty much useless without magnetism.
Making Tager's 2C faster, or at least have faster head invuln, would go a long way to making him better. Jumping in on Tager is a difficult thing for him to deal with, and giving him better options to defend against this would go a long way I think.
@@skivvac You seem much more knowledgeble than me, so you are probably right!
Now that you say it, players seem to get a lot of "free" jump-ins on Tager, which should be punishable, but doesn't seem to be.
I guess the devs reasoned that instead of making 2C have proper invulnerability or speed, the fact that you can combo of it even if you trade with a air normal should make up for it...
Now I kinda wanna see you cover the Touhou fighting games specifically the ones after Hopeless Masquerade since they tale place in the air and you can "jump" downwards I'd love to see what you'd have to say about it
Do the fighters have a lot of projectiles?
@@tech6hutch yes but you can literally run through them
I genuinely didn't know there was so much you could learn about something as simple as jumping, this was such a good video keep it up
holy shit its the Guilty Gear Guy™
i highly recommend watching some high level arcana heart, really interesting stuff
wildest use of air space in any fighting game bar none imo
homing is a sick mechanic
Lolis make Leon uncomfortable.
Aracana Heart high level fights are more fun and exciting than any fight in the Dragonball series be it anime or games
@@MADMACHlNE Understandabel tho
@@chutchut686 I bring that up because he's said in previous videos that he's tired of people recommending it to him. Yes, he knows why people recommend it to him. Yes, he knows it's a sick anime fighter with a sick air game. No, that doesn't make the lolis any less uncomfortable.
"'Well in Guilty Gear would you have a problem if every character was May?' Yes! It's kind of a dealbreaker, kind of like how Mortal Kombat is for a lot of people, myself _kind of_ included? I don't do broken bones well. It makes me feel a little bit numb in the limbs. Call me a pussy, but it's true."
I'm like 2 seconds in and I'm subscribing purely based of the ozma album at the beginning. You my sir, have great taste in music.
Masseeeeey
Also great video. I think your analysis of fg mechanics fills a major gap in the fgc content space and is some of my favorite content on TH-cam. Keep it up!
0:53 That you for doing this despite you hate for platform fighters. Mean alot to me. :)
"A lot" is two words.
I can't stop rewatching this video, it's just so well put together. I don't even play fighting games but this channel makes me want to, which is impressive.
conclusion: Just play Melty Blood
CC CASTER WON'T FUCKING WORK
@@cahallo5964 theres.. guides for fixing that (u have to disable ur anti virus or set exceptions for it in order to use it)
@@Gamsterjeff600 it used to work then it stopped working and I played one guy so yeah fuck that man too much work I'd rather spend losing in some other videogame
When they delete Reverse Beat. I mean, I don't mind Melty Blood and there's the CHESTO MANLY GRABS MAN who is pretty much the only grappler I've ever found enjoyable to play. But Reverse Beats are annoying. Me no like. Also, I think I've found him fun, because usually I have more ways to crack open someone pressing 4. Not in MB. I dunno, man, it just doesn't click.
Binge watching this channel is “why guilty gear made me throw my life away: the movie”
This is EASILY the best video I have seen in all my years of fighting games that covers both high and low level understanding of jump arcs.
I'm so thankful for all of your videos that help explain why fighting games are so fun. Like, I've still yet to get my friends willing to play themselves, but they've watched some of your vids with me and at least *get it* now and can appreciate why people like them.
You are very quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers with these focused breakdowns. The quality and depth of your videos are fantastic and your pacing is great. There's always something going on whether it's snappy little quips, visual jokes or just clever ways to present the information. Keep up the great work
I dont know why, but I came here fully expecting a breakdown on weekly Shonen Jump's manga story arcs. I'm not very bright, huh?
Considering the Thumbnail
Well, maybe you are
I just want to say, your content is absolutely fabulous. It's so well written and edited and somehow simultaneously extremely funny and entertaining as well as thought provoking. I cant wait for you to blow up
My favorite jumping mechanic is in Outer Wilds. It's a tiny little thing that doesn't matter too much because you're mostly using your jetpack (which is another thing, the full "your player is a physics object, 6DOF movement" thing adds a lot of nuance), but when you jump, you _hold_ the jump button to _bend your legs_ , then jump when you _release_ the jump button.
This mirrors how you actually jump IRL and is a nice way to allow fine control over jump height (or really, in this case, jump impulse because physics object) while maintaining the physics aspect by not applying magic forces on you depending on how long you hold the button in the air after jumping like other games do.
I feel like you just make these videos as an excuse to dump on Jack-O.
Never waste a good opportunity.
1:55 "... and creating a sense of player freedom *rAther* than restriction." Puberty is pretty funny
Joke aside, really good video, man!
"Position for an an-'ee-air in this figh-'ing game."
2 years late but, OZMA SPOTTED
"Fuck Jack-O players."
Thanks, Bob! You always know what to say.
damn and here i was waiting for him to talk about Centralfiction and extend the video for 20 minutes
Thank you for this high quality fighting game content, dude. I'm not very good at fighting games, but these videos have been helping me get better by helping me understand more technical details.
I wouldn't know if you did it intentionally or not but you've made the funniest and on point comment i've ever heard. After talking about 25 minutes about the nuances and mechanics concerning jumpin in fighting games..."In conclusion...I don't know man". This had me in tears
We need more time to talk about guilty gear, especially on why its the best game ever
Best series*
Agreed
No, sorry. That title goes to Garfield Kart.
Skullgirls for me, if I can’t play Peacock in another fighting game it’s not worth my time
@@graysonwells21 can you capture a snake at the start of the game give it a name love it for life and then throw it a guard's head as a legit non-lethal run strategy? Metal Gear Solid 3, take it or leave it
Ah yes, just the video I needed
I love the variety you have in your game footage. I never expect to see stuff like Blade Strangers anywhere.
Dude this is like, the best video I've seen on youtube. It feels like the kind of rant I'd randomly pop off on with my family and they'd just get annoyed and ignore me, but actually well spoken and shown. It's talks like these that get me to continue to love video games as a whole. No right or wrong just different and weird, and how so much of it is discovered and not always created. Very very good video.
My fav fighting game youtuber posted? You love to see it.
8:44 I'm here to see M F D O O M
nice touch
I’m here to see see see see
*RAP SNITCHES*
I'm here to see MARVEL 3!!!!!
@@Next-xm2dh *TELLIN’ ALL THEIR BUSINESS*
*SIT IN THE COURT AND BE THEIR OWN STAR WITNESS*
*DO YOU SEE THE PERPETRATOR?*
*YEAH, I’M RIGHT HERE*
*FUCK AROUND, GET THE WHOLE LABEL SET UP FOR YEARS*
Rip
I know we were sticking to universal mechanics mostly but Under Night has some really cool aerial control for the characters it wants to have and adds very unique dynamic to it. Nanase having a float force function adds so much to think about both on offense and defense I love it.
Great vid as always
Love your content dude. You make some of the most thoughtful and fun pieces for us in the FGC. Thanks man.
I'm a simple man: I see an upload notification for Leon Massey, I click.
Seriously, good stuff, dude.
Bro I love ur videos dude there like core a gaming vids but funnier
You really have been my newest favourite fighting game TH-camr you really bring a lot of insight in your videos i really enjoy your style. Keep up the good work
discovering the movement in different fighting games is so much fun, when i look for old and new fighting games i only stay in those that have satisfying movement, or charactets that have satisfying movement
7:06 this is why 5D chess is more interesting than normal chess at least to me. Easier to make mistakes because the game's relatively new and that timeline didn't exist a move ago why am I in check simultaneously across dimensions?
You might like crazyhouse or 960
@@tongpoo8985 I was thinking fog of war chess or King Fu chess... It might be interesting if there was a fog of war Kung Fu chess variant as well. If I wanted crazy house, I could learn shogi
@@DoomRater never heard of kung fu chess. Shogi is pretty cool but sort of hard to get into if you're not japanese.
@@tongpoo8985 Kung Fu variant is a real time strategy version
Can't wait for the followup video on crouching. :)
Or fuck it, idle animations are a thing we can squeeze 30 minutes out of that right? Am I right? Can w e h a v e a v i d e o a b o u t i d l e a n i m a t i o n s
Somewhere at some point, your videos appreciating the minute details of fighting games is making a developper feel warm inside.
Love your work. Keep it up. This is one of my favourite fighting game pieces I didnt know I wanted.
meanwhile me trying to play aerial fighters: have you considered UPSIDE DOWN JUMP?
3:11
7 take it or leave it
I’m really impressed how smoothly you transition between talking about games. Great video.
The fact that you mentioned Rivals in this video makes me irrationally happy, lol. Definitely the best platform fighter I’ve played
Check out Adam Carra's channel if you haven't for some great Rivals / platform fighter analysis!
(Also his Doom videos have been solid too)
@@bb010g oh, he’s my favorite Adam Carra!
I clicked on the video frame 1
I'm glad the netcode didn't ruin your frame 1
"Stinky pee pee man" nice name
i love seeing fighting games' uses of space and how they adapt in different games
id like to play around with stuff like this in the future, and seeing what i could do with space and such
omg I havent thought about ozma in years. gonna listen to them as soon as the vid ends ty for putting them in the intro
15:03 terrybogard2003 :D, fun to see a friend in your videos.
Clicked for ozma...
this was so fun to watch!! your videos are always a blast.. i hope you have a great rest of 2020, and even beyond!!
lovely videos youve made, i love this kind of analysis and compare/contrast stuff
Thanks dad
*"His basic white girl movements"* 1:28
This is the kind of content I subscribed for, and was well worth the wait
Best and most in-depth fighting game video I've seen in this entire fucking year.
Great job and instant subscription
i would say that you forgot about Answer and the way his scrolls define his air game, but honestly i think even arcsys forgot about him
He didn’t really forget, quite a few GG characters have weird air game. Millia has double actions in air, Zato flies, Potemkin becomes an ICBM, Answer sets teleportations points, Faust flies (swims?). He just was using a few instances to demonstrate an overall concept.
Bang shishigami had it first. Arc just imported his mechanic into GG in the form of Answer
@@seokkyunhong8812 bang walked so answer could run
I'll take the slap city footage even though you called it bad.
One of the most incredibly interesting and well set up videos about game design!
Never in my life did I think I would find and watch a 30 minute video about jumping in video games. This was incredible
22:44
Shoutouts to my boy in GGX Advance, Airdashing Potemkin
Narrator: “[Mario’s] basic white girl movement . . . “
Mario: * breaks glass bottle *
He was talking about Megaman's movement. Not Mario's
i just saw a half hour video essay on jumping in games in my reccommended. my interest is immeasurable, lets see where this goes
these videos are so well edited. Love all the little jokes.
great stuff, man
I'll be back. Gotta make some popcorn.
Bruh same I was eating popcorn for the whole vid
Never clicked on a video so fast
2 things: I’m a baby fighting game player so that means I competitively play smash ultimate. That says a lot of things but what’s important is that even with my knowledge of Traditional input based fighting games is incredibly limited but your ability to present an such a seemingly simple concept and explain the insane depth of movement in ways that I’ve never considered is truly a marvel to behold. This can come at the cost that sometimes it’s easy to be lost in a video and feel as if the information isn’t as easy to store in your memory while watching, so maybe some simple cards (edited in the video itself for mobile peeps) to bring attention to the topic you have at hand. It’s absolutely fascinating the way you explain and describe the ways a fighting game can build upon itself in creating something interesting and focused, it’s great!
Secondly: I really hope Fraymakers makes that Rivals of Aether joke outdated in the next year.
Love the video. Also love the choice of music! Tessie's theme at the end was really nice!
says free melee
says rivals is the only good platform fighter
smh
I mean, he ain't wrong.
@@chrisrockett5897 how
3:09 fucked me up and is going to continue to do so for the rest of the day, thanks. Good video though.
bruh this is some core A gaming content quality *chefs kiss* your channel will blow up even more i can tell.
I hate to use such strong language but seeing your channel grow so much since I first stumbled onto it is pretty poggers.