@@ahomicidaltaco It's kind-of an odd fusion between arena fighter and psudo-2D? (You know, phase shifts.) That's kinda what makes it's competitive a bit interesting in my eyes?
One of my favorite things about peacock from skullgirls is that with the use of her special shadow of impending doom and her 7 different aerial movement options she can basically turn any chance to jump over your opponent into a crazy guessing game on where the hell the sentient fridge is going to bonk you on the noggin. Also play skullgirls.
The first video I watched of yours was the bottom tier, after that I binged watched all your videos because the topics you discussed were interesting! I usually never do this cliche, but I hope you get more subs! Cheers!
Waaaaaay back, Arin made the same joke in his Sequelitis video on Super CV: "Everything is just a little more freeform (than Castlevania 1) so you don't gotta buy a fuckin' engagement ring for your jump arcs." It's a good joke. Edit: oh, you KNEW. Of course you knew. Obviously. I'm not the only one with a seven year memory.
" Since the jump is so freeform and simple, its pretty unengaging to put Megaman into Mario's style of level design since his basic white girl movement doesn't complement pure platforming" *SUBSCRIBED*
Good vid! I'll always remember this one moment I had when I was starting to get into Xrd, where I joined a casual learning lobby stream from a player who primarily played SF. His major comment after playing me for awhile was that I really needed to work on anti-airing. This was totally true in a vacuum, as I had bad anti-air reactions, but his comment about it was something along the lines of "As soon as you see me jump you should be hitting that anti-air". And as someone coming over from Blazblue it just left me very confused. "Every time? Don't I have to confirm you're actually coming in first? How can he be so confident?" I largely disregarded that little bit and just worked on general reaction time and comfort with my moves etc. It wasn't until early this year when giving GBVS a try that I finally got the full understanding of why he would say that as a gut reaction. It was the first time I had played a 2D fighter without double jumps or air-blocking, and suddenly his SF based response of "If you aren't anti-airing immediately that's just a reaction problem" came full circle and made a ton of sense, because that old comment was now dead on.
" over the rainbow 🌈 shit " LOL. For KOF I see it this way putting aside neutral jumps there's 2 jump options ( Normal jump and Hop ) and each one has a second variation ( Hyper Jump and Hyper Hop ), hops and hyper hops are your friends to deal with zoning and add pressure.
Masseeeeey Also great video. I think your analysis of fg mechanics fills a major gap in the fgc content space and is some of my favorite content on TH-cam. Keep it up!
i highly recommend watching some high level arcana heart, really interesting stuff wildest use of air space in any fighting game bar none imo homing is a sick mechanic
@@chutchut686 I bring that up because he's said in previous videos that he's tired of people recommending it to him. Yes, he knows why people recommend it to him. Yes, he knows it's a sick anime fighter with a sick air game. No, that doesn't make the lolis any less uncomfortable.
"'Well in Guilty Gear would you have a problem if every character was May?' Yes! It's kind of a dealbreaker, kind of like how Mortal Kombat is for a lot of people, myself _kind of_ included? I don't do broken bones well. It makes me feel a little bit numb in the limbs. Call me a pussy, but it's true."
I can't stop rewatching this video, it's just so well put together. I don't even play fighting games but this channel makes me want to, which is impressive.
I'm so thankful for all of your videos that help explain why fighting games are so fun. Like, I've still yet to get my friends willing to play themselves, but they've watched some of your vids with me and at least *get it* now and can appreciate why people like them.
Now I kinda wanna see you cover the Touhou fighting games specifically the ones after Hopeless Masquerade since they tale place in the air and you can "jump" downwards I'd love to see what you'd have to say about it
He can't say Smash because Smash isn't a fighting game, obviously, so he had to go for the next best thing. Sarcasm aside though, yeah, good job Rivals.
@@wanderingmarshadow I really should play Rivals more, I just can't get into as much since I dont have friends who also have the game. It is a great game though.
@@Lone_Rocket Honestly RoA's kinda just been sitting there rotting in my Steam Library, since to be honest I don't really play most games unless it's either a daily thing or I just wanna lab stuff.
I just want to say, your content is absolutely fabulous. It's so well written and edited and somehow simultaneously extremely funny and entertaining as well as thought provoking. I cant wait for you to blow up
My favorite jumping mechanic is in Outer Wilds. It's a tiny little thing that doesn't matter too much because you're mostly using your jetpack (which is another thing, the full "your player is a physics object, 6DOF movement" thing adds a lot of nuance), but when you jump, you _hold_ the jump button to _bend your legs_ , then jump when you _release_ the jump button. This mirrors how you actually jump IRL and is a nice way to allow fine control over jump height (or really, in this case, jump impulse because physics object) while maintaining the physics aspect by not applying magic forces on you depending on how long you hold the button in the air after jumping like other games do.
discovering the movement in different fighting games is so much fun, when i look for old and new fighting games i only stay in those that have satisfying movement, or charactets that have satisfying movement
You are very quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers with these focused breakdowns. The quality and depth of your videos are fantastic and your pacing is great. There's always something going on whether it's snappy little quips, visual jokes or just clever ways to present the information. Keep up the great work
22:36 Tager is my favourite grappler in fighting games because of the way he counteracts his extremely limited movement, in a game where movement is as free form as ever, with many character able to whiff punish you into a full combo from full screen. His movement is pathetic, but the way he attempts to make up for that is with his special gimmick: magnetism. When you get hit by one of Tager's drive moves, you become magnetised for a set period of time. This will cause certain attacks of Tager's to pull you in towards him. These attacks being all his drive moves AAAAAAAND... his command grabs :))))) Block a full screen projectile? You better be careful with your run in or you might just be sucked straight into his invuln command grab. You're magnetised and have the gawl to jump? Well he can jump too, and guess what, he has a command grab in the air that he can suck you right into. This magnetism also allows him to do some extremely unique and crazy resets (check out MoustachedVillain if you want to see the best Tager has to offer). It's such a unique and interesting take on a grappler, and I absolutely love it. (I wish he were better, but tier list discussion is another thing and grapplers always suck anyway lol)
Tager has air dash though in JC... Jokes aside, I also find Tager's design to be really interesting and wish he was more viable. After playing GG for the first time recently, I really think he needs either a move similar to Slide Head or maybe a C version of Sledgehammer that actually blocks other things than just projectiles.
@@HasekuraIsuna well he already has B sledge, which has armour against all moves. However, it's caveat is that he can still be hit low, like many other armoured moves. Tager's biggest issues are his poor movement, neutral, and defensive options. Against most of the cast, it can be extremely difficult for him to get his gameplan going, and it's very easy to steamroll Tager into the corner and kill him without ever giving him a chance to retaliate. However, in true grappler fashion, once he gets a hit in, the tables can turn very quickly. Sadly, his tools to squeeze that hit out aren't very difficult to shut down, making him a pretty all around terrible character.
@@skivvac Oh, you're right, B sledge actually takes High and Mids nowadays. As I remember it it was only projectiles it blocked. My bad. I think a move like Slide Head, that knocks opponent down if they are on the ground allowing for a single safe super jump to close the distance, would be a way to increase his way of getting closer, without giving him more movement per se. Seeing as both defensive system mechanics in Burst and CA puts him in a bad spot compared to rest of the cast, giving him something like that would hurt I think.
@@HasekuraIsuna I'm not sure if Pot's moves would exactly patch the holes in Tager's character. For one, the move you just suggested wouldn't function very well in a BlazBlue context. Not only is the arena wider, making it impossible to close the gap with one super jump forward from full screen, but BlazBlue favours being airborne a lot more than Gear does due to barrier being very low cost and allowing you to block everything in the air. For many of Tager's absolute pain matchups, such as Amane or Izanami, I doubt this would help very much if at all. If I could give Tager one thing to make him better, I'd start with a better dedicated anti air. At present, his anti air options are pretty pathetic. He has 2C, which is an EXTREMELY slow anti air, even for a 2C, and has its head invuln kick in extremely late, making it very difficult to reliably reaction anti air people, and often just downright impossible. His other grounded anti air options are 2A and atomic collider. 2A is his best option against an IADing opponent or the like, and it actually functions all right, but isn't very much help against opponents coming in from directly above or at an angle, as the hitbox is quite small and it lacks any head invuln. Also, the reward you get off of it is pretty measly. As for atomic collider, this is more of a read/space control anti air, and is essentially useless without magnetism, making it less of a dedicated anti air and more of a gimmick. Outside of all this, basically all he's got is air to airs, with his j.A, j.B, or air command grab, but this lacks any invuln and is again pretty much useless without magnetism. Making Tager's 2C faster, or at least have faster head invuln, would go a long way to making him better. Jumping in on Tager is a difficult thing for him to deal with, and giving him better options to defend against this would go a long way I think.
@@skivvac You seem much more knowledgeble than me, so you are probably right! Now that you say it, players seem to get a lot of "free" jump-ins on Tager, which should be punishable, but doesn't seem to be. I guess the devs reasoned that instead of making 2C have proper invulnerability or speed, the fact that you can combo of it even if you trade with a air normal should make up for it...
13:23 has the word "doom" written really small after MF. I have that frame as my desktop wallpaper and only noticed it today. Nice reference, This video is still brilliant
I know we were sticking to universal mechanics mostly but Under Night has some really cool aerial control for the characters it wants to have and adds very unique dynamic to it. Nanase having a float force function adds so much to think about both on offense and defense I love it. Great vid as always
Me 30 seconds in: Mmmm, yes. Fat plumber fall slow. Me 10 minutes in: Furiously scribbling notes as the professor jumps too quickly to the next topic and praying to God half of this won't be on the exam
@@graysonwells21 can you capture a snake at the start of the game give it a name love it for life and then throw it a guard's head as a legit non-lethal run strategy? Metal Gear Solid 3, take it or leave it
Darkstalkers' Huitzil has all sorts of stuff he can do with his jumps because he can hover in place for a variable amount of time at the apex of his jump, as well as fall in any of the 3 directions regardless of which direction he initially jumped in.
@@Gamsterjeff600 it used to work then it stopped working and I played one guy so yeah fuck that man too much work I'd rather spend losing in some other videogame
When they delete Reverse Beat. I mean, I don't mind Melty Blood and there's the CHESTO MANLY GRABS MAN who is pretty much the only grappler I've ever found enjoyable to play. But Reverse Beats are annoying. Me no like. Also, I think I've found him fun, because usually I have more ways to crack open someone pressing 4. Not in MB. I dunno, man, it just doesn't click.
Or fuck it, idle animations are a thing we can squeeze 30 minutes out of that right? Am I right? Can w e h a v e a v i d e o a b o u t i d l e a n i m a t i o n s
i love seeing fighting games' uses of space and how they adapt in different games id like to play around with stuff like this in the future, and seeing what i could do with space and such
@@Next-xm2dh *TELLIN’ ALL THEIR BUSINESS* *SIT IN THE COURT AND BE THEIR OWN STAR WITNESS* *DO YOU SEE THE PERPETRATOR?* *YEAH, I’M RIGHT HERE* *FUCK AROUND, GET THE WHOLE LABEL SET UP FOR YEARS*
7:06 this is why 5D chess is more interesting than normal chess at least to me. Easier to make mistakes because the game's relatively new and that timeline didn't exist a move ago why am I in check simultaneously across dimensions?
@@tongpoo8985 I was thinking fog of war chess or King Fu chess... It might be interesting if there was a fog of war Kung Fu chess variant as well. If I wanted crazy house, I could learn shogi
Fighting game analysis and strategy is a whole SCIENCE now. My tiny brain is happy sticking to button mashing, but I still appreciate the hell out of these videos.
This is the best video on youtube. I've rewatched it an embarrassing amount of times and each visit leaves me more satisfied than the last. Excellent fucking job.
6:24
I can't believe you've done this
I can’t believe you’ve commented on this
Oh look a wild Brian f appearance
the memer streamer himself
That's a pretty high teir joke
what the
My favorite Jump Arc is when Luffy meets and recruits Zoro.
I'm more a Chunin Exams kind of guy myself.
Thanks I hate it
@@liamanderson7082 yeah but in my opinion, the sayin saga is a classic. Has to be on a top three
I really liked seeing this comment
Idk man I really liked stone wars
"yo dude what are you watching? is that core-a?"
"no its leon massey"
"european core-a?"
yep
Way to diss on every non-British European.
@@GameGod77 well, it IS a joke
His content reminds me more of FUNKe but for fighting games instead of FPS's
Yes.
The tiny aspects of fighting games that you cover are why I come to your channel
Jump arcs are a “tiny” aspect of exactly zero fighting games.
This comment proves everyone who pretends to like fighting games never plays them.
@@nathannjh you haven't played a fighting game if you don't hate fighting games.
@Zacoc Jump arcs literally influence every single one of those things save for side steps.
Well, this, the obsession over Guilty Gear, his love of Venom, and his hatred of Jack'o to contrast his love of Venom.
"Rivals is the only good platform fighter."
Man's never seen competitive Duck Game then.
This but unironically
I would say Melee, but that's apparently illegal now. Thanks, Nintendo.
Slap City
Rushdown Revolt
This dude put Slap on the screen and then dismissed it.
I'm upset.
@@Maggotbone sorry but both do not compare to rivals mechanically
"One day we'd wake up to Tekken being an air dasher..." What, you mean Pokken?
Shit took me back to my Shadow Mewtwo and Machamp days.
You can already see people playing geese howard jumping around like a 2d fighter
I still don't know why they tried to associate it with Tekken when it plays more like the Xenoverse or Ninja Storm games.
@@ahomicidaltaco It's kind-of an odd fusion between arena fighter and psudo-2D? (You know, phase shifts.) That's kinda what makes it's competitive a bit interesting in my eyes?
@Some characters aren't allowed I'm talking about Pokken.
“Have more subscribers than BrainF” killed me dead
“Babe Wake up, New Leon Massey Video just dropped”
“Does it include Guilty Gear?”
“The fuck do you think?”
@@malikoniousjoe It's not Leon Massey without a little bit of Gil'y Gir
Massey uploads is the only time I wake my baby up instead of the other way around.
Ah yes, Dave. The most japanese of names
I found you Dave-kun
It like Yu-Gi-Oh abridged instead of Steve it Dave.
Babe wake up new Leon Massey video
One of my favorite things about peacock from skullgirls is that with the use of her special shadow of impending doom and her 7 different aerial movement options she can basically turn any chance to jump over your opponent into a crazy guessing game on where the hell the sentient fridge is going to bonk you on the noggin.
Also play skullgirls.
Fighting Peacock gives me headaches man. Seriously.
Seven? Super jump, Double Jump, Airdash, J.mk (kinda). What else, or do you mean 7 different trajectories?
@@DripNZ backdash, j.hp, j.hk halts your momentum if your kick makes contact with the opponent, backdash and airdash cancels, superjump, double jump,
Iggy from jojo's also has 7 aerial movement options with the D O G G L I D E being my favorite
No. I don't think I will play Skullgrills.
The first video I watched of yours was the bottom tier, after that I binged watched all your videos because the topics you discussed were interesting! I usually never do this cliche, but I hope you get more subs! Cheers!
same
do this cliche please, it helps if you write comments :) algorithm and such
"ever since I watched this guy talk about the Cum Character, I got hooked"
@@andrewskey3379 do u mean Twelve in #rd Strike?
@@thebigcheese5536 yeah lol
Me as a smash player:
Ah yeah, jump
"Short hop and nair bois, jump and nair"- A Shulk main
"mid-air jump"
"Just jump and press A bois, jump then A"- a Yoshi main
"Jump and...oh shit I hit the blast zone"
-K.Rool main
@@tyr4489 “oh hey I got that reference I’ll comment”
Waaaaaay back, Arin made the same joke in his Sequelitis video on Super CV: "Everything is just a little more freeform (than Castlevania 1) so you don't gotta buy a fuckin' engagement ring for your jump arcs." It's a good joke.
Edit: oh, you KNEW. Of course you knew. Obviously. I'm not the only one with a seven year memory.
" Since the jump is so freeform and simple, its pretty unengaging to put Megaman into Mario's style of level design since his basic white girl movement doesn't complement pure platforming"
*SUBSCRIBED*
he has returned
Good vid!
I'll always remember this one moment I had when I was starting to get into Xrd, where I joined a casual learning lobby stream from a player who primarily played SF.
His major comment after playing me for awhile was that I really needed to work on anti-airing. This was totally true in a vacuum, as I had bad anti-air reactions, but his comment about it was something along the lines of "As soon as you see me jump you should be hitting that anti-air". And as someone coming over from Blazblue it just left me very confused. "Every time? Don't I have to confirm you're actually coming in first? How can he be so confident?" I largely disregarded that little bit and just worked on general reaction time and comfort with my moves etc.
It wasn't until early this year when giving GBVS a try that I finally got the full understanding of why he would say that as a gut reaction. It was the first time I had played a 2D fighter without double jumps or air-blocking, and suddenly his SF based response of "If you aren't anti-airing immediately that's just a reaction problem" came full circle and made a ton of sense, because that old comment was now dead on.
This feels like a review lecture on a class I haven't taken.
A fascinating glance into the depth of fighting games.
When I saw this I was immediately happy.
Spending Time on the Borderline is an amazing album. Great to see it there!
honestly loved the in-depth look at KoF, it feels like a really niche series and I liked hearing somebody who knows more than me talk about it
" over the rainbow 🌈 shit " LOL. For KOF I see it this way putting aside neutral jumps there's 2 jump options ( Normal jump and Hop ) and each one has a second variation ( Hyper Jump and Hyper Hop ), hops and hyper hops are your friends to deal with zoning and add pressure.
Masseeeeey
Also great video. I think your analysis of fg mechanics fills a major gap in the fgc content space and is some of my favorite content on TH-cam. Keep it up!
I can't even do a shoryuken in smash but this video still kept me glued to the screen
"rivals is the only good platform fighter btw"
see now THIS is why i'm subbed. good shit
Lmao I still love Smash tho
Brawlhalla has flaws but it's good. So is smash
Personally I like smash the best although Rivals is very interesting
But I've spent all my time on Smash
not even a passing glance at slap city? for shame, even if rivals is my favorite, too
The Big Cheese yea no. Brawlhala is brawl all over again. Way too defensive. Ultimate has the weird ass buffer / lag nobody asked for. Hell naw.
Holy crap an ozma album, made me happy to see
Seriously haha. I had to rewind just to make sure I saw it right
I genuinely didn't know there was so much you could learn about something as simple as jumping, this was such a good video keep it up
holy shit its the Guilty Gear Guy™
He did it again. He found another reason to talk about Guilty Gear
0:53 That you for doing this despite you hate for platform fighters. Mean alot to me. :)
"A lot" is two words.
i highly recommend watching some high level arcana heart, really interesting stuff
wildest use of air space in any fighting game bar none imo
homing is a sick mechanic
Lolis make Leon uncomfortable.
Aracana Heart high level fights are more fun and exciting than any fight in the Dragonball series be it anime or games
@@MADMACHlNE Understandabel tho
@@chutchut686 I bring that up because he's said in previous videos that he's tired of people recommending it to him. Yes, he knows why people recommend it to him. Yes, he knows it's a sick anime fighter with a sick air game. No, that doesn't make the lolis any less uncomfortable.
"'Well in Guilty Gear would you have a problem if every character was May?' Yes! It's kind of a dealbreaker, kind of like how Mortal Kombat is for a lot of people, myself _kind of_ included? I don't do broken bones well. It makes me feel a little bit numb in the limbs. Call me a pussy, but it's true."
I can't stop rewatching this video, it's just so well put together. I don't even play fighting games but this channel makes me want to, which is impressive.
I'm so thankful for all of your videos that help explain why fighting games are so fun. Like, I've still yet to get my friends willing to play themselves, but they've watched some of your vids with me and at least *get it* now and can appreciate why people like them.
I'm like 2 seconds in and I'm subscribing purely based of the ozma album at the beginning. You my sir, have great taste in music.
Now I kinda wanna see you cover the Touhou fighting games specifically the ones after Hopeless Masquerade since they tale place in the air and you can "jump" downwards I'd love to see what you'd have to say about it
Do the fighters have a lot of projectiles?
@@tech6hutch yes but you can literally run through them
Venom on that thumbnail is like "Screw Gravity!".
"Rivals is the only good platform fighter, by the way. " Absolutely wild.
He can't say Smash because Smash isn't a fighting game, obviously, so he had to go for the next best thing.
Sarcasm aside though, yeah, good job Rivals.
@@wanderingmarshadow I really should play Rivals more, I just can't get into as much since I dont have friends who also have the game. It is a great game though.
@@Lone_Rocket
Honestly RoA's kinda just been sitting there rotting in my Steam Library, since to be honest I don't really play most games unless it's either a daily thing or I just wanna lab stuff.
@@wanderingmarshadow Give it a go, Rivals is super super fun at a high end level, especially with how complex some characters get with their tech.
He’s not wrong though
Gotta respect playing Vanessa in 2002UM
I just want to say, your content is absolutely fabulous. It's so well written and edited and somehow simultaneously extremely funny and entertaining as well as thought provoking. I cant wait for you to blow up
My favorite jumping mechanic is in Outer Wilds. It's a tiny little thing that doesn't matter too much because you're mostly using your jetpack (which is another thing, the full "your player is a physics object, 6DOF movement" thing adds a lot of nuance), but when you jump, you _hold_ the jump button to _bend your legs_ , then jump when you _release_ the jump button.
This mirrors how you actually jump IRL and is a nice way to allow fine control over jump height (or really, in this case, jump impulse because physics object) while maintaining the physics aspect by not applying magic forces on you depending on how long you hold the button in the air after jumping like other games do.
"...ready to invade your space like an American police officer."
as an American, I'm offended by your use of facts.
4th Amendment: _Is ignored._
Police officers: "Woo! Yeah baby! That's what I've been waiting for! That's what it's all about! Woo!"
Mean while UK police are kicking down your doors because u used a naughty word online 🤣
discovering the movement in different fighting games is so much fun, when i look for old and new fighting games i only stay in those that have satisfying movement, or charactets that have satisfying movement
My fav fighting game youtuber posted? You love to see it.
Binge watching this channel is “why guilty gear made me throw my life away: the movie”
You are very quickly becoming one of my favorite youtubers with these focused breakdowns. The quality and depth of your videos are fantastic and your pacing is great. There's always something going on whether it's snappy little quips, visual jokes or just clever ways to present the information. Keep up the great work
This is EASILY the best video I have seen in all my years of fighting games that covers both high and low level understanding of jump arcs.
22:36 Tager is my favourite grappler in fighting games because of the way he counteracts his extremely limited movement, in a game where movement is as free form as ever, with many character able to whiff punish you into a full combo from full screen. His movement is pathetic, but the way he attempts to make up for that is with his special gimmick: magnetism.
When you get hit by one of Tager's drive moves, you become magnetised for a set period of time. This will cause certain attacks of Tager's to pull you in towards him. These attacks being all his drive moves AAAAAAAND... his command grabs :)))))
Block a full screen projectile? You better be careful with your run in or you might just be sucked straight into his invuln command grab. You're magnetised and have the gawl to jump? Well he can jump too, and guess what, he has a command grab in the air that he can suck you right into. This magnetism also allows him to do some extremely unique and crazy resets (check out MoustachedVillain if you want to see the best Tager has to offer).
It's such a unique and interesting take on a grappler, and I absolutely love it. (I wish he were better, but tier list discussion is another thing and grapplers always suck anyway lol)
Tager has air dash though in JC...
Jokes aside, I also find Tager's design to be really interesting and wish he was more viable. After playing GG for the first time recently, I really think he needs either a move similar to Slide Head or maybe a C version of Sledgehammer that actually blocks other things than just projectiles.
@@HasekuraIsuna well he already has B sledge, which has armour against all moves. However, it's caveat is that he can still be hit low, like many other armoured moves.
Tager's biggest issues are his poor movement, neutral, and defensive options. Against most of the cast, it can be extremely difficult for him to get his gameplan going, and it's very easy to steamroll Tager into the corner and kill him without ever giving him a chance to retaliate. However, in true grappler fashion, once he gets a hit in, the tables can turn very quickly.
Sadly, his tools to squeeze that hit out aren't very difficult to shut down, making him a pretty all around terrible character.
@@skivvac Oh, you're right, B sledge actually takes High and Mids nowadays. As I remember it it was only projectiles it blocked. My bad.
I think a move like Slide Head, that knocks opponent down if they are on the ground allowing for a single safe super jump to close the distance, would be a way to increase his way of getting closer, without giving him more movement per se.
Seeing as both defensive system mechanics in Burst and CA puts him in a bad spot compared to rest of the cast, giving him something like that would hurt I think.
@@HasekuraIsuna I'm not sure if Pot's moves would exactly patch the holes in Tager's character. For one, the move you just suggested wouldn't function very well in a BlazBlue context. Not only is the arena wider, making it impossible to close the gap with one super jump forward from full screen, but BlazBlue favours being airborne a lot more than Gear does due to barrier being very low cost and allowing you to block everything in the air. For many of Tager's absolute pain matchups, such as Amane or Izanami, I doubt this would help very much if at all.
If I could give Tager one thing to make him better, I'd start with a better dedicated anti air. At present, his anti air options are pretty pathetic. He has 2C, which is an EXTREMELY slow anti air, even for a 2C, and has its head invuln kick in extremely late, making it very difficult to reliably reaction anti air people, and often just downright impossible. His other grounded anti air options are 2A and atomic collider. 2A is his best option against an IADing opponent or the like, and it actually functions all right, but isn't very much help against opponents coming in from directly above or at an angle, as the hitbox is quite small and it lacks any head invuln. Also, the reward you get off of it is pretty measly. As for atomic collider, this is more of a read/space control anti air, and is essentially useless without magnetism, making it less of a dedicated anti air and more of a gimmick.
Outside of all this, basically all he's got is air to airs, with his j.A, j.B, or air command grab, but this lacks any invuln and is again pretty much useless without magnetism.
Making Tager's 2C faster, or at least have faster head invuln, would go a long way to making him better. Jumping in on Tager is a difficult thing for him to deal with, and giving him better options to defend against this would go a long way I think.
@@skivvac You seem much more knowledgeble than me, so you are probably right!
Now that you say it, players seem to get a lot of "free" jump-ins on Tager, which should be punishable, but doesn't seem to be.
I guess the devs reasoned that instead of making 2C have proper invulnerability or speed, the fact that you can combo of it even if you trade with a air normal should make up for it...
Not enough Foot-dives in that Marvel footage
2 years late but, OZMA SPOTTED
13:23 has the word "doom" written really small after MF. I have that frame as my desktop wallpaper and only noticed it today. Nice reference, This video is still brilliant
damn and here i was waiting for him to talk about Centralfiction and extend the video for 20 minutes
I know we were sticking to universal mechanics mostly but Under Night has some really cool aerial control for the characters it wants to have and adds very unique dynamic to it. Nanase having a float force function adds so much to think about both on offense and defense I love it.
Great vid as always
1:55 "... and creating a sense of player freedom *rAther* than restriction." Puberty is pretty funny
Joke aside, really good video, man!
Me 30 seconds in: Mmmm, yes. Fat plumber fall slow.
Me 10 minutes in: Furiously scribbling notes as the professor jumps too quickly to the next topic and praying to God half of this won't be on the exam
I mean really, what the hell is this, a doctoral dissertation?!?!
"Fuck Jack-O players."
Thanks, Bob! You always know what to say.
Tekken the famous air dasher series
We need more time to talk about guilty gear, especially on why its the best game ever
Best series*
Agreed
No, sorry. That title goes to Garfield Kart.
Skullgirls for me, if I can’t play Peacock in another fighting game it’s not worth my time
@@graysonwells21 can you capture a snake at the start of the game give it a name love it for life and then throw it a guard's head as a legit non-lethal run strategy? Metal Gear Solid 3, take it or leave it
Darkstalkers' Huitzil has all sorts of stuff he can do with his jumps because he can hover in place for a variable amount of time at the apex of his jump, as well as fall in any of the 3 directions regardless of which direction he initially jumped in.
"Position for an an-'ee-air in this figh-'ing game."
omg I havent thought about ozma in years. gonna listen to them as soon as the vid ends ty for putting them in the intro
I dont know why, but I came here fully expecting a breakdown on weekly Shonen Jump's manga story arcs. I'm not very bright, huh?
Considering the Thumbnail
Well, maybe you are
Never in my life did I think I would find and watch a 30 minute video about jumping in video games. This was incredible
conclusion: Just play Melty Blood
CC CASTER WON'T FUCKING WORK
@@cahallo5964 theres.. guides for fixing that (u have to disable ur anti virus or set exceptions for it in order to use it)
@@Gamsterjeff600 it used to work then it stopped working and I played one guy so yeah fuck that man too much work I'd rather spend losing in some other videogame
When they delete Reverse Beat. I mean, I don't mind Melty Blood and there's the CHESTO MANLY GRABS MAN who is pretty much the only grappler I've ever found enjoyable to play. But Reverse Beats are annoying. Me no like. Also, I think I've found him fun, because usually I have more ways to crack open someone pressing 4. Not in MB. I dunno, man, it just doesn't click.
When people ask me why I love fighting games, I’m just gonna show them this video
Can't wait for the followup video on crouching. :)
Or fuck it, idle animations are a thing we can squeeze 30 minutes out of that right? Am I right? Can w e h a v e a v i d e o a b o u t i d l e a n i m a t i o n s
Potemkin with an airdash is the shit I see in my nightmares
Bro I love ur videos dude there like core a gaming vids but funnier
i love seeing fighting games' uses of space and how they adapt in different games
id like to play around with stuff like this in the future, and seeing what i could do with space and such
Ah yes, just the video I needed
I love the variety you have in your game footage. I never expect to see stuff like Blade Strangers anywhere.
I'm a simple man: I see an upload notification for Leon Massey, I click.
Seriously, good stuff, dude.
Damn no one ever talks about arcana heart and its unique homing dash system when they're talking about air movement across fighting games
I feel like you just make these videos as an excuse to dump on Jack-O.
Never waste a good opportunity.
i just saw a half hour video essay on jumping in games in my reccommended. my interest is immeasurable, lets see where this goes
8:44 I'm here to see M F D O O M
nice touch
I’m here to see see see see
*RAP SNITCHES*
I'm here to see MARVEL 3!!!!!
@@Next-xm2dh *TELLIN’ ALL THEIR BUSINESS*
*SIT IN THE COURT AND BE THEIR OWN STAR WITNESS*
*DO YOU SEE THE PERPETRATOR?*
*YEAH, I’M RIGHT HERE*
*FUCK AROUND, GET THE WHOLE LABEL SET UP FOR YEARS*
Rip
My favorite Guilty Gear salesmen is back with a new video!
7:06 this is why 5D chess is more interesting than normal chess at least to me. Easier to make mistakes because the game's relatively new and that timeline didn't exist a move ago why am I in check simultaneously across dimensions?
You might like crazyhouse or 960
@@tongpoo8985 I was thinking fog of war chess or King Fu chess... It might be interesting if there was a fog of war Kung Fu chess variant as well. If I wanted crazy house, I could learn shogi
@@DoomRater never heard of kung fu chess. Shogi is pretty cool but sort of hard to get into if you're not japanese.
@@tongpoo8985 Kung Fu variant is a real time strategy version
I dont play fighting games but I am somehow hooked on these essay videos.
meanwhile me trying to play aerial fighters: have you considered UPSIDE DOWN JUMP?
I come back to this video every now and then to see that I always have 14599 days left to live and as such will live forever
I clicked on the video frame 1
I'm glad the netcode didn't ruin your frame 1
bruh this is some core A gaming content quality *chefs kiss* your channel will blow up even more i can tell.
15:03 terrybogard2003 :D, fun to see a friend in your videos.
Fighting game analysis and strategy is a whole SCIENCE now. My tiny brain is happy sticking to button mashing, but I still appreciate the hell out of these videos.
Clicked for ozma...
Best and most in-depth fighting game video I've seen in this entire fucking year.
Great job and instant subscription
22:44
Shoutouts to my boy in GGX Advance, Airdashing Potemkin
Somewhere at some point, your videos appreciating the minute details of fighting games is making a developper feel warm inside.
Thanks dad
This is like the best video to learn jumping on fighting games.
I'll take the slap city footage even though you called it bad.
Rivals is so good, the ledge was a mistake. Great video!
I'll be back. Gotta make some popcorn.
Bruh same I was eating popcorn for the whole vid
Love your content dude. You make some of the most thoughtful and fun pieces for us in the FGC. Thanks man.
WOAH OZMA
Mario's only a dump truck because he's secretly wearing the chair of the future
3:09 fucked me up and is going to continue to do so for the rest of the day, thanks. Good video though.
The fact that you mentioned Rivals in this video makes me irrationally happy, lol. Definitely the best platform fighter I’ve played
Check out Adam Carra's channel if you haven't for some great Rivals / platform fighter analysis!
(Also his Doom videos have been solid too)
@@bb010g oh, he’s my favorite Adam Carra!
Never clicked on a video so fast
This is the best video on youtube. I've rewatched it an embarrassing amount of times and each visit leaves me more satisfied than the last. Excellent fucking job.
"Stinky pee pee man" nice name