I truely believe that if I was offered paid maternity leave my third daughter wouldn’t have passed away because I would have been with her and noticing her issues faster than When I was at work, I would have noticed her episodes of not breathing earlier
As a childless person who doesn't plan on having kids... I will fight tooth and nail for paid parental leave. I get so f***ing fired up over this issue, it still blows my mind how people can STILL be so against paid parental leave. I want the community and country that I live in to be at it's best. Because I care about other people but also because I want a nice place to live out my life. That means supporting policies and programs that don't necessarily apply to me and may not ever apply to me. Not directly anyway.
I think that not only should paid parental leave should be offered, it should be mandatory for both Moms and Dads. I cannot hide the fact that I am a woman of reproductive age and this will always be held against me professionally. Whenever I go into a job interview, the fact that I could get pregnant and go on leave will always make me a less desirable candidate than a man. If people of all genders have to go on leave, the playing field will be closer to even.
This is a really intriguing thought and as you say your proposal would even the playing field and probably be usually beneficial for family harmony and the child's health and bonding with their parents. Something that should really be considered!
Paternity leave in Spain obliges the second parent to take leave for six weeks after delivery. For the reason you comment, also to block the pressure in the work environment towards parents who want to use it, the mother's recovery is better and because it has been shown that visits to the doctor and routines often fall on the caregiver who has performed the most. tasks in the first months which creates disparity in the distribution of care.
I'm a Swedish physician pregnant with my first child. Me and the dad are taking 6 months off each to take care of the child, which is what a lot of people do here, all of my male friends with children took out paternity leave. I honestly can't even imagine the stress of taking care of a newborn while both partners are working 100%. And why shame a father for prioritizing his baby over work?
@@merythg79 late comment, but you get 480 days of parental leave for each child in Sweden. You can split 300 of those days however you want, but you each get 90 days that you can't give away to the other parent, ear marking days for each parent is a way to have parents divide the time equally. You can take parental leave days up until the child turns 12, but you can only save 96 days after the child turns 4.
Sweden is a completely different culture and political system. I think it is great that Sweden offers these things and that the government has it as a matter of policy. The United States founding documents place pretty strict limits on what our central government can and cannot force on the citizens as a matter of policy. Our limited government makes it questionable whether this policy would be constitutional. I tend to side with that too. No one is telling employers-employees they cannot give or take parental leave, we are just saying that the government cannot force private employers to sacrifice their labor force for the benefit of employee outcomes as a matter of public policy. It isn’t our federal governments role. It’s role is to respect and enforce agreements between private parties. If the government wants to offer this benefit to federal employees than it can, but cannot force this on private employees.
@@thomascharlton7325 the government isn't forcing anyone to sacrifice their labor force, the one on parental leave is paid by the governmental social insurance agency, and the employer usually hires someone else to work instead of the employee that's on leave. The amount of money/day depends on your working salary, but even someone who's not working, unemployed people and students for example, is eligible for it. Leaving the if or how long they offer parental leave up to each individual employer will obviously mean that a lot of people won't be allowed to take parental leave, only having a few weeks, and/or it being unpaid. I can't see how that would be a good thing, especially since seeing just how young a six week old baby is, it's still a newborn, it's not ready to be left in daycare or with a nanny. It's just inhumane to me, but I'm used to seeing people being home with their babies for a year, at least.
As someone with a bachelors in marriage and family studies I would like to say that not only is maternity leave important for the health and attachment of the mother and baby, but paternity leave is also extremely important for the baby to develop an attachment and bond to the father. It’s something that we are starting to study more and see the affects of in recent years (there is a lot of research done on mothers but little on fathers in comparison but that, thankfully, has begun to change).
@@DM-nw5lu I didn't know being unmarried and without children to carry the name & legacy of your ancestors/family is a thing of joy for white people like u. Romantic love is white Disney manufactured culture.
@@nzeadidnazi8410 I don't carer about my family name or legacy. Not all of us are narcissists like you. And as someone who is romantically in love I'd beg to differ.
As a German I feel offended by Joe. He doens't know sh*t. I'm so glad that we have paid parental leave and my husband and I used it for both of our children. It was the best time of our lives. I'm sorry for all Americans who can't experience the special first months/years because they gotta work and have no other choice. If people want to work and not take time off that's fine. It's their decision. But you gotta give them a choice.
Not German, but I felt you when he said that. Most countries would be thankful for Germany’s economy! All managed with a good social security net that helps people when they need it, so they’re at their best when they work.
Not German but Canadian anc it’s similar here so I was offended too. He doesn’t know sh** about most things. It’s insane that he has such a massive platform. I legit don’t understand how he’s doing so well. He’s an utter moron.
German as well here. Joe is an ignorant, arrogant a$$hole. Germany easily outpaces the US regularly in export SURPLUS, whereas the USA always has an export deficit. That means, that the USA is always currently spending more than it earns. How is that a viable long term economic survival strategy. Germany's Mittelstand / small to medium sized companies are alive and thriving. That dads want to bond with their kids as well as mothers is not something that Joe Rogan obviously can't understand. Bonding needs time. Google is a COMMUNIST empire?!? WHAT?!? What an asshole!
Not only do we have the highest infant mortality rate, we have the highest maternal mortality rate of OECD nations. It's insane. I'm a sophomore nursing student doing a research paper about maternal mortality in the US and how the current system is causing those, thank you for talking about this!
@@christinajones6500 it contributes for sure, but day care for infants and decreased breastfeeding because of returning to work and stress, also contribute to infant death. Most developed countries have extended parental leave because of those factors in addition to others.
@@christinajones6500 babies get antibodies from their mother when they breastfeed. Formula is fine, but the biggest reason most women don't breastfeed is because it isn't compatible with working. I had preemie twins and breastfed them for the first year even though I was working 30 hours a week. I was lucky because I produced plenty of milk and with help of family, my husband and I worked opposite shifts so that they didn't have to be in daycare. So many other mothers have to return to work in as little as a week after giving birth because they can't afford to take off. Formula feeding is the best option for a lot of moms, but some babies, especially preemies do better on breastmilk.
This is why when I had an american boyfriend I told him that yes, I can move to the US to be with you. But the SECOND a baby is involved I'm moving back to Norway, with or without you. I am NOT having a child in the US.
I had an opportunity to have a job long term in the US, but I already had a cancer scare before. I was not ready to choose between my health and my financial situation. (plus a job in the Midwest wasn't exciting) So I went back to France.
As a german its difficult for me to even comprehend how much harder it must be in the US to become parents. From medical bills a german citizens never even sees because of our mandatory self insurance, to paid parental leave and our monthly child benefit it seems so much easier to have kids here. I'm pregnant myself at the moment and thanks to a job that is seen as risky for the health of an unborn child, I am at home since May, but getting paid my full salary and of course my job is save for the next years. I dont even want to think about how much more stressful this pregnancy would be if no one cared about my well beeing and just wanted me to perform at work, no matter what that means for me or my child.
The component missing from EVERY comment in this video is the discussion of CLASS, and for good reason. Under the European model, the stratification of classes is less extreme. The tops and bottoms are crunched together into a happy medium. And I say happy, but that's really a class perspective. I know Europeans who have moved to the US because they can transcend the middle classes of Europe, because they are highly skilled tech workers or entrepreneurs. There is a certain kind of person who desires to climb way up the heiarchy, because they are extremely ambitious. This is very much the culture in the US, 'get rich or die trying". Everyone here goes through a stint of, "I'm gonna get in my grind, work super hard and become rich". Until they burn out fighting against the steep competition, which involves every other super ambitious person willing to engage in cutthroat behavior. The contradiction is that you then have a lot of poor people who have this culture enforced upon them. In Europe, they would be middle class, but since they live in the US they are just poor. Poor people in the US would jump up a class by moving to Germany, Sweden or Norway. So, the comments are going to reflect a person's current status. If you've "made it", why would you want to pay taxes to poor people to make them less needy? But, if you're poor and needy, why would you NOT want the taxes on rich people? In the US, there is very little middle class raining, if you look at the graph of wealth distribution, it's like an extreme exponential function. The US plays a very dirty game, and we can see how the culture alone impacts the minds of people like Rogan, who can afford to vacation for life but still believe they can tell other people how to live. This is how the wealthy elite run this country. If you're poor, you want to live on Europe, but if you're rich you want to retire to a place where labor is cheap and people will degrade themselves for cash. And since the US has so many rich people, they like the idea of poor people being docile, even if they don't fully understand the broader ramifications. The US cannot escape it rich vs poor dichotomy, because it's rich have gained way too much political, economic and cultural power. This is why I've come to see putting the wealthy into "chains" as a good thing. Whatever upsets them is probably good for society, because they take the inverse bet where they demand everyone else be poor and service their needs. Being too rich is poison for society. In school I was raised to believe that having a middle class was the correct way to run a society. Now, it's entirely shifted. You're either rich or you're poor, for the most part. You're either good to go, or you're just fucking desperate. I guess my overall point is that your class position determined your perspective, and how you're going to perceive the benefits of various sociopolitical decisions.
@@MichelleHellanother fucked up thing is that while the rich avoid taxes they still write things if as business expenses and the tax payers pay those write offs.
Bud joe said Germany sucks, the country that sucks isn't Germany. Joe is rich so he doesn't need it. Joe stay In your lane ufo's , leave the tough stuff , the employees are payed by government not the business owner
@@MichelleHellwhy would I want to pay for poor people? Uhm compassion? I want the government to help people who are in need. And I will happily pay my taxes so I don't see the crippling poverty in europe that I've seen in the us.
Honestly, a person saying that they think both parents having time off to care for a new born baby is 'weird' or 'excessive' really says more about them then they can imagine. A new born human infant is a lot of work. They're one of THE most helpless creature on this planet. Just because one person CAN look after an infant, doesn't mean one person SHOULD be alone in looking after an infant.
Absolutely! And why should a father not bond with his newborn baby as much as the person who carried the baby? I am beyond shocked whenever I hear mothers saying that they told their husband to go back to work the day after the baby was born because, "They shouldn't have to stay home with us. It's not like they're recovering."
@@pelindoganay2863 Because "father" is the only term that makes sense in this context. pa·ter·ni·ty /pəˈternədē/ noun 1. (especially in legal contexts) the state of being someone's father.
I was a single father that raised two boys and a daughter by myself for the vast majority of their lives. I never understood why people were amazed I would do that or tried to say how proud they were of me. They’re my children, of course I’m going to raise them. It’s the same mind set with paternity leave, manly men don’t do women’s work and I can’t stand it. If I could have taken leave when my kids were born to stay home with them I would have done it in a heartbeat.
Great message! Parents need to take care of their children, regardless of anyone’s gender. Parents are partners and share their talents and skills to raise children. Single parents have it rougher, but it can be done. Having communties of people who support each other are important…I hope you had some support somewhere!
@@steveneptun7580 doesn’t that drive you absolutely insane? It’s your child: it’s not babysitting. I will say that once my last boss’s daughter got married, all of that crap went away with him. Clients, particularly older ones, who are by and large still in the 1950s mindset, still made those insipid jokes. Kids get sick, partners get sick too, and sometimes both get sick and you have to stay home to take care of a kid or both of them. It’s called being parent and a spouse.
My father was way more maternal than my mother and a better nurturer and I do believe that's just inherent all the males that in my family are way more nurturing!
Guess that all depends how you define "manly", but I get your point. I do think that attitude is changing; the men I work with want to take time off, but are limited to what the employer offers. I've listened to them strategize, and it's just said they can't be with their wives/SOs and children during this time.
As a nurse midwife, growing up and living in Sweden until late 30’s, I came over to the states with the goal of continue this path. I did not take me long to pick up on the hostile environment women has to endure, including the time of pregnancy and child birth. I got burnt out on trying to advocate and did not even want to stay in the field. I have not seen the data on postpartum depression in relation to leave, would love to see some! I love your channel, it gives me hope for the future.
German-based - economy looks fine to me, even without Joe's approval :) And feeling bad about the US govt not ensuring healthcare, parental leave, etc is up to standards.
A father who does not want to be with his child, I would question his suitability to be a father. Parental leave is not only for the mother and the child but also for the father. Absolutely sick that you do not have parental leave in the United States. Overall, you should be able to have it so damn much better, you who are such a rich country, you let a few become completely absurdly rich, whose money if they had to pay more in taxes could benefit everyone.
I also think parental leave should be the same for all parents regardless of the sex or how the child was born, this way you avoid making hiring a man more convenient than hiring a woman because they both get the same (obviously with the mother being the meter of how long the leave should be). Also I don't understand, if the government is paying for it why are employers so fussy about it.... Just for the trouble of looking for a replacement for a few months? Confusion....
As an American, I just started realizing a few years ago how f'd up this country really is, now. I started paying more attention to this when the former Demander in Chief took office. I think it's the Republicans who don't seem to want to make this country better because they want all the money to go to a few rich people who already have more than they need. I am Non Partisan, but it seems pretty apparent to me that the Republicans don't REALLY care about this country anymore, only what they can get from it for themselves. 😞 They really do not care about the American people. 😢 And Joe Rogan, here's a big F YOU.
@@JediLoreen the sad thing is that I bet Joe Rogan is rich enough to take all the unpaid time off he wanted to be with a newborn child, but I don't think he would because it sounds like he loves his money more than his children
That's what pretty much institutionalized ignorance and allowing money in politics will do (well openly allowing it, money will always find its way into politics or more specifically into politicians) and probably bcs of the first one most of you Americans won't even understand what I mean by the second one it's all very sad really, it's like seeing someone squabbling away so much of their potential and their possibility of Actually being something great
@@Design____ByS Mind you, we have temp agencies! I used to love working as a temp, except it was low-paying and had no health benefits. The temp agency didn't know how good they had it. Anything to do with a desk, I could do.
I find it oddly heartwarming how Lauren believes Pete can single-handedly save the world and the only reason America is in flames is because he decided to spend some time with his new family.
They have preemie twins….I had a preemie and luckily when he was finally released from the hospital I was pretty much unemployed. Having to rely on WIC and fourteen dollars a month in food stamps was the only reason we kept our head above water.
Isn't she the clown who posted the "family" picture of her and her sons with a lot of guns, people like her have absolute no business in judging other people's families
As a german citizen this is just wild to me 😅 i am currently pregnant and I will take two years maternity leave and my husband will take some time off as well. I think thats normal and should be available everywhere 😊
@@veerswami7175 there is NO taxpayers Money 🙃 i will be home with 65% pay for 8 weeks after birth, and then we are on our own. Everybody can do what they see fit, but I dont have a child to be working after 6 months and leave it with strangers🤷♀️
@@veerswami7175 You mean the money that she and her husband paid into the system for many years already and in which she will pay into after her leave for decades?
I live in Norway. When i was pregnant and i got pregnancy leave( 100% pay like you would be working, completely free Healthcare, great treatment) , later i switch into mama leave, and I stay home with my baby for almost a year, and my husband gets 3 months after me to take care for baby ( than kindergarten). Also we get a lot of special days for our families. Family goes first and that's a clear and obvious thing here.. Should be everywhere really. Happy baby, happy parents, gives happy society.
Here in Russia one can have parental leave up to 3 years, although only part of that is paid, and pay is not big, but there is a guarantee that an employer cannot fire a person on parental leave. If someone doesn't want to take 3 years, they may return to work earlier, for example my mom took only a year
That’s what wrong with America. Since 1970 there has been breakdown in families. I salute any country that realizes family is everything if you want a healthy society.
People often forget that opinions that are seen as "liberal" in the US are often more conservative in other countries. Other countries are literally so far ahead that it's kind of absurd the attitude some people have. There's literally no excuse not to have paid parental leave. None.
Honestly, this isn't even a conservative vs liberal thing. I think it's common people against stupid politicians. Any person that I have ever talked to about the fact that my husband's employer asked him to come in to work the day our twins were borns because my mom was in town for 2 weeks to help know that that is ridiculous. He wasn't asking them to pay him, though we did need the money, the time off was more important. Then a few weeks later I called him asking him to come home because I felt sick and one of his supervisors flipped out and tried to get him fired for going home to help me because it was unplanned sick time. How do you plan a sick day?! Anyways, everyone with any common sense knows both parents need parental leave. Politicians are just stupid or rich enough to be able to oat people to raise their children. Sorry, I'd rather raise my own children, that's why I had them. So I'm just gonna be broke until my kids are old enough that I can figure out how to make money alongside my husband. Most of the people I know are conservative. Edit: luckily my husband's current boss is a good guy. Still a small business so he can't afford to pay us for time off, but when my morning sickness was really bad the other week I asked my husband to come home early and his boss called him to make sure everything was okay. Such a nice change from last time.
19:34 "Most people, when this happens, if they make enough money, the wife will not work and the father will work, and then the wife take care of the child, and this is normal" -> Hm OK 19th century
@@ThatOneLadyOverHere aw I cried at the last part after reading the rest. Crazy how basic human decency is such a big deal. But it is. And I’m so happy for you guys
Conservative people and politicians in the U.S think that any program that helps people, especially children is seen as socialism or communism because they are suspicious about it.
Well, in Germany some „conservatives“ still think paid paternal leave is wrong and show their „appreciation“ when they are your boss. But most people here would agree with you. Parental leave (especially paid) is one of the greatest achievements in a modern society I can think of. It shows that your society actually values children and parents and doesn’t just say they do.
I had my youngest March 19, 2020 and it was extremely scary in the hospital at the beginning of a pandemic but when we got home it was a magical time for our family! I will never forget it! I am so sorry to all the families that lost loved ones and I’m not happy Covid happened but I am forever grateful for the time our family got together. My husband was home with us for almost 4 months and he has this incredibly strong deep bond w our daughter. He got to do skin to skin, help me get through my postpartum and got to see some of her firsts. We were in our own bubble and I can’t explain how much that time meant to us. It’s truly truly sad it took a whole pandemic for us to have that experience. I never thought about paternity leave or it’s importance before this but I truly believe it’s just as important as maternity leave. ❤
We are not a developed country, unfortunately. We are a scared racist country… meaning that if we provide paid leave that it would be for everyone including black and brown people. Some of the white people in the United States cannot bear to see black and brown people treated as humans with rights. So they would rather go without before seeing a black or brown person gets the same treatment.
A number of people also don't like women working outside the home but refuse to support a livable wage for parents trying to support their family on a single income
I'm from Bulgaria, we're the poorest country in the EU, basically, and even here you get 2 years of paid maternity leave and 15 days of paid paternity leave, the concept of not having that at all is absolutely insane to me!
Schrödinger's USA- simultaneously the strongest, richest, best country in the world, and also too poor to provide their citizens with realistic maternity leave, let alone paternity leave, which pretty much every country everywhere else manages just fine. It's a true fundamental Christian miracle I suppose.
As an Australian, It's so bizarre to me how the US doesn't have paid both maternal and paternal leave. Yet American seem to think they are the elite country in the world. Australia has paid paternal leave for 18 weeks for both biological and adopted children Edit: sorry for the misinformation, as I don't have any kids yet I wasnt aware that the 18 weeks paid paternity leave is on-top of what your employer provides for you. Thank you to the lovely commenter for correcting me.
@@mindyschocolate I'm sorry for generalising, of course not all Americans but unfortunately the loudest and most obnoxious ones are those that give America a bad image
Those of us who travel know better, but many people are so ignorant that they believe this and will instantly say if you don’t like it leave *as if* it’s that easy to move to a better country. I would be out the door if I could get a Visa that easily.
I am from India, we get 6 months of fully paid maternity leave. For fathers there are no specific paid leaves, but many companies will allow them to take some time off. Here most of the post birth support is provided by the extended families, so fathers can usually go back to work sooner. For adoption also we get fully paid leaves.
It's just bonkers; this pretending by politicians to care about children (being born) and then be so vehemently against caring for them once they are here. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
As the great George Carlin stated. Politicians care about you before you're born. Once you're out and breathing you're screwed until you're old enough to fight in the military
That’s what gets me is they claim to be pro-family values, but yet they vote against EVERY. SINGLE. PIECE of legislation that would help American families.
Everything revolves around policy with human society because we built societies. Humanity is not the only life on this planet. Am I wrong for not wanting to support global overpopulation? I don’t think this issue is all that black and white.
It shocks me that parental leave still isn’t available in the US. It’s so damaging for children. I’m from the UK, I had attachment issues growing up because my mum went back to work so quickly after giving birth to me and paternity leave was not a thing at the time. There are several studies that look at the impact on children’s mental health if they do not have required time to bond with a parental figure and the effects last years into the future.
Most of the US. Some states and DC do have paid parental/family leave. New York’s paid family leave is only 12 weeks, but it isn’t just for parents (other family members can take leave and it can also be used for caring for sick family members) and it also applies for part time employees (which FMLA doesn’t cover part time employees).
You had attachment issues cause your mom went to work when you were a baby? What? Y’all people need serious mental health help! Not cause mommy worked tho!
Maternal leave tends to get most of the attention when it comes to parental leave. Paternal leave tends to get demonized as if work is supposed to take precedence or that being a provider takes precedence over being an available father
I recently heard a story about a father who was forced to go back to work instead of staying to care for his epileptic infant because he’d used all of his vacation days a few months ago to help support his wife through her labor and the first couple weeks with the baby. Paid parental leave deserves to be extended to fathers and non-pregnant partners, too. It’s not a vacation, it’s a necessity.
in Spain, each parent has 16 weeks of parental leave (32 weeks in total), which are paid 100% and without taxes (so you're given more money those months). In addition, until the baby is none months old, you have 1 hour a day, which is called "feeding hour" and is for both the biological mother and the other parent (the father of the relationship is heterosexual). This hour can be "accumulated" in two more weeks of paid parental leave. Usually, both the biological mother and the other parent take the first six weeks together (for the mother to recover well postpartum), then the mother stays with the baby for the next 12 weeks (rest of maternity leave + feeding), and then she comes back to work and the other parent takes care of the baby until he/she is 9 months old. It is also illegal to get fired during pregnancy and until a year after your parental leave. Regarding unpaid leave, there is also a three year unpaid leave for both parents (your job is protected) and you can also reduce your working hours (up to 50%) and your employer cannot refuse. In addition, kindergartens are public and their price depends on your income.
They also need to separate paid leave so we are not using out "vacation time" to recover from some illness or sickness that's got us bedridden. Idk ya'll but laying in bed throwing up or going in and out of sleep isn't a fun vacation for me lol.
@@Manikanta-hh7wp oh course, because money is not necessary to live. They can choose to be with their children and without anything to eat, for example
@@Manikanta-hh7wp Yeah I’m sure that quitting and cutting off your source of income works real well when you’re facing massive medical bills on top of your usual living expenses. Perfect time to be out of a job.
As a German, I literally can’t imagine not staying at home with my baby for the first year (or longer) of it’s life. I feel really bad for all American moms who have to spend that precious time away from their child and probably can’t breastfeed them full-time. I also couldn’t imagine not having my partner be at home with me to take care of his (!) child. It’s pretty insulting how Joe pretended like dads never take care of their babies, but are more “inferior” parents or sth. Shout out to all American parents who make that work somehow. I don’t know how you do it. PS: My boy Joe clearly doesn’t know anything about Germany lmao. The economy is fine, the people are fine (apart from the GLOBAL pandemic); it’s a pretty chill country to live and work in.
In the US, mom's usually take the burden of caring for the baby. Many have to cut back to part time, quit their job or rely on family members. Daycare usually is too $$ to afford.
@@blablubb3479 . We couldn't afford to lose and income and even if I got paid then turn into leave 10,000 help take care of the kid for the next 18 years and honestly neither of us make enough money on our own to be able to afford a one income household with kids. We don't want to put all of our money into kids because that'll leave us being pretty miserable. Money is Joe I could actually afford to have kids but we can't and that makes us really not want them
Capitalism and maternity/paternity leave are not inherently at odds. There are many conservatives who support both (such as myself) on conservative grounds. Just throwing that out there. It's as frustrating for me to hear this nonsense as it probably is for you.
Did you know that untill 2014 Disney Land minimum wage shifted 8 to 10 dollars. I also have a vague recall about worker protest when Disney Land decided to cancel their workers health insurance, when worker wage was like 7 dollar. Now Disney been making hundreds of millions dollar purchase left and right. Capitalism at it's finest right?
I'm a university student in Denmark and I'm gonna go on maternity leave later this year, and as such I am getting 52 weeks of additional government subsidies. My husband, who is self employed, will get 36 weeks of paid paternity leave. After my maternity leave, I'll be able to pick up my studies where I left off 🙏 We're looking forward to spending time with our newborn and getting to know him and make sure he gets the best start to his new life ❤️
194 countries: "Fathers should care about their children" Joe Rogan: "Why would fathers care about their children?" Sad really. Joe grew up without a father figure, I guess. To the point where even having a dad who loves him is a strange concept to him.
Tbh I don't know much about Rogan's life growing up (I lost interest in his podcast a couple of years ago; before that I was just a casual listener when he had an interesting guest so the conversation wouldn't center around him)...but I do know about his life now, which is that of a very privileged celebrity who absolutely can and does take whatever time-off he can for whatever reason, like having a kid. What I find grating is that he's attempting to speak for the rest of us with bosses and 9-to-5 jobs, something which hasn't been his life for a while.
@@-._.-KRiS-._.- and I bet he takes all the quality time he needs or wants to be with them daily, or take 'em on a months-long vacation without having to worry about losing his job or a pay cut. He has the privilege of not missing any of their events, sports matches, graduations, school shows, etc yet thinks the rest of us should.
As a woman, I see paternity leave as a way to bond with the baby, the mother and adjusting to the new life. But also very importantly, as a help to the mother. If you're tired due to stressed of giving birth, sleepless nights, maybe even postpartum depression, you have someone at your side who can notice this and help you or get you help. Just because the dad doesn't give birth or breastfeed doesn't mean he's not an important part of the family! Paternity leave is equally beneficial to both parents.
Yes! Recovering from birth can take up to 12 weeks! I'm due in February and I keep joking that I'm the baby's primary care giver and my husband will be my primary care giver. P.S. because sadly it's relevant, I'm in Australia so my husband gets paid leave from his work as the non birthing partner.
I used to teach Dad's Boot Camp at baby class, and one thing I'd always point out: you hear those stories of women who have been in labor for 30 hours (see Rita Rudner). Just remember, after going though labor for 30 hours, the result is now there is a baby to take care of! So it's not over after 30 hours of labor (which is work, right? That's why it's called "labor"), it's just beginning. And there is no time to recover. You darn right mom is going to need a lot of help. How long does it take to recover from 30 hours of labor if you have to wake up every 3 hours to breastfeed? This is going to take weeks, even with someone there to help. I got up all the time with my wife to do everything I could so she didn't have to. She needed to recover.
By the way, I should add, you don't even need an exhausted mom to justify paternity leave. "To help take care of your baby" is more than enough justification. I'm a father, I have a responsibility. As MDJ notes, it benefits society when the baby is taken care of.
@@flowingafterglow629 Definitely! I should also add that I am so excited to have my husband be able to spend time with our kiddo and bond with them, not just to support me in my recovery. And I know he is too.
@@misssweetnothings5094 I loved taking care of the kids when they were babies! The one thing to always remember: the key to parenting is not to think alike, but to think together. My wife and I had very different approaches when it came to caring for the kids. We tried to keep the same schedule as well as we could, but we did a lot of things differently. And that's ok. She had her way, and I had my way. But we had the same goal, and it worked. The second thing to remember (this from Amy Tutuer): Don't sweat the small stuff. And most of it is small stuff. Enjoy the ride!
There's a tiktok meme about all the "pandemic babies" in the USA learning to move and talk faster than earlier children. It's almost like spending time with your children in a 1:1 ratio is more beneficial than a 1:8 ratio they have in daycare 🤦♀️. I'm lucky to be in Sweden, where my partner stayed with our baby for 6 weeks, and is still working 3 days a week with the rest paid by the social benefits
Exactly right. They develop so much better when home with family and get individual attention...even more than 1:1..they often had a house of people in quarantine to give that baby attention anytime baby was awake. And it did wonders for development. If only the babies could get that kind of attention for 3 years. I swear you'd see a drop in ADHD and all these other strange diagnoses and behavior issues you keep saying in school age children.
@@HadassaMoon144 For the first year I am totally on you side! For the first 3 year not so much. In Germany, exspecially in the former DDR-states it is pretty common to give you child into day care when they are around 1 year old ( like 1 to 1,5 years). For most of the children it is beneficiall to spend a lot of time with other children and you as parent have to that you need like 6 , 7-9 or (sadly) more then 9 hours daycare for your child. I think what is most important for the development of a child is the way/intensity the time is spend with that child. What is most insane for me, as an European, that in America there is no time for the mother to recover! We have courses where you learn which exercises you should do dayly to recover the best from your pregnancy and the brith etc. It must be utterly stressful to not have that, exspecially if something goes wrong. E.g. it took me allmost 6 weeks to have a walk for an hour because my blood pressure was so low after my c-section. Thankfully my husband was this whole time (8 weeks in total) at home to take are of our baby an me. That helped enormously!
@@HadassaMoon144 I stayed at home with my kids and two of them are are the autism spectrum. I believe by being at home & noticing their differences I could get them the early intervention that made all the difference in helping them develop.
@@HadassaMoon144 I was gonna agree with you, but ADHD and other neurodiverse conditions aren't "strange diagnoses" and they don't just stop occurring because kids have more support.
@@Nephlita There's a quote from "Pushed" by Jennifer Block (published 2007, so somewhat outdated by now). Women were talking about their post-natal care, or lack thereof. One of them said "They send you home with a 7-pound baby and tell you not to lift anything heavy" pretty much sums up their attitude - figure it out yourself.
You know how people are like, "Why are people waiting longer and longer till they're way older to have kids?!" This is yet another reason why. We have to wait until we have a job stable enough that pays us enough to be able to afford to take unpaid time off in order to stay at home with a baby if they don't offer paid parental leave. My planned baby daddy works from home and he'll be able to take care of the baby when I go back to work afterward, because once my maternity leave is up (and I still don't know how long that is, I have to investigate), we can't afford for me to take FMLA (which is unpaid for those who don't know) because while we make enough together to support ourselves no problem, a child will mean a lot more expenses and he can't afford it on his salary alone. I won't be able to be a stay at home mom for any amount of time because we need my income to pay for children. The older I get, the more I want to be a stay at home mom at least until my kids are school age, but the more I know that I will never be able to afford to do that.
@@silverstarlight9395 you can want to be a stay at home mom without being a trad wife. I love video games, I enjoy cosplay, I am the only person in my friend group that even wants kids. But I hate the idea of being under someone else's control, I despise cooking, I clean only when I can't take it anymore, and I definitely don't follow the standard religious values. I'm not wanting to stay at home forever, I'd get bored. But it would be nice if I could stay home to raise my kids till they're old enough for preschool and then proper school. I don't think it's that big of a request to give us the necessary time and financial support to let that be common.
What is wrong with being a trad wife if that's what a person wants? Sounds like something someone would say who is proud of being none judgmental but doesn't see how freaking judgemental they really are.
@@Kra-ri6fd I didn't mean to imply that being a trad wife is a bad thing. It's just not what I want, and I wanted to point out that being a stay at home mom does not necessarily equal being a trad wife. I honestly have nothing against trad wives as long as I'm not forced to be one.
@@roselover411 My response was really towards the one who "called you out" for "being" a trad wife. That was pretty rude of them. I am an ex Navy sailor female. Raised two boys as mostly a single mom (now 16 and 18 years old). I missed most of their upbringing while struggling to take any extra hour I could at work (civilian job) and to keep a roof over our heads. I now have the pleasure of being married again and am pregnant with a little girl due this week. I am so freaking excited to be a "trad wife" this time around because it's a privilege I couldn't afford the first time around. I feel I missed so much of my children's lives just trying to survive. They turned out to be great men but I missed it...well, I feel I did. I mean kids are only kids once! You can't get that time back. But I've encountered the trad wife bashing and find it really pretty uneducated. Children have a huge advantage if one parent is able to stay at home with them their whole lives. That's not to shame anyone who can't do so. Like I said, I've been there. But those who bash it really need to question if they really are open to others follow their hearts in how to live their lives. To each their own, you know? Anyway, sorry. I'm not bashing you. That comment was just an uncalled for response to your comment IMO.
About the small business thing - I'm french, and I know someone who's a farmer. For parental leave, he was sent an employee to do farm work in his stead, for nearly a month. Like, it's possible to set up systems to take care of people, even in situations that americans think are impossible. Plus, as someone who's recently graduated, replacing someone on maternity leave for a few months is a lot of my peers first work experiences. That's just really great for everyone.
It would definitely be better than an unpaid internship, which is usually what graduates here in the States get, because they "get paid in experience." 🙄
Wow I had never heard that possibility...I am a self employed in Mauritius and as all self employed, no paid leave whatsoever- no sick leave, no maternity leave..
@@vp5134 Wow I haven't thought of how self-employed persons would be able to get maternity leave! I'm assuming that you'd have to apply for the same assistance to get some help, but what do you do if you're the business?? That's rough :(
"In America, we have to work." The US is the 10th "hardest working" country on Earth meaning that 9 countries work more hours on average according to the OECD. Mexico (my country of origin) sits at #1 and they offer six weeks of paid maternity leave and five days of paid paternity leave (which is still not enough but I digress) paid for by social security. The myth that Americans are somehow more "hard working" than other nations is a lie and an excuse for politicians to cut benefits and to make workers feel bad for asking for the bare essentials that every human should be entitled to.
Conservatives really believe that the US in #1 in the world in everything, and I think us being the most "hardworking" just helps them feel better about themselves and being patriotic to their great country.
From the US here, when I was in middle school I had a male teacher who took paternity leave. He would come in once a week to teach us and then for the rest of the week we had a sub. I though it was so cool that he was doing this, my thoughts were "Wow what a caring loving person who want to spend time with his family and make sure his wife is ok"
And I'm sure that also set a wonderful example of what a good man should be to a lot of the boys in his class too. Which is so, so, so important at that age. But also to the girls on how they SHOULD be treated.
Part of the reason I took so long to watch this was that people like Lauren and Joe just make my anxiety go up by simply listening to their stupidity/malice.. Even watching it now, I’m taking breaks to relax every few minutes because it’s a lot! I really appreciate you making this video and explaining the medical side of things.
Girl, same! I'm a reasonably relaxed and happy person, but as soon as I hear any of these far right people speak I become so irritated and angry at how awful they are. 😣
@@mantrajojo4163 this might be garbage but your advantage is that you KNOW what they're saying and what people who listen to them hear, you're not totally disconnected from the group. as much as it can hurt mentally, everyone should dab a bit into all political spheres just to get a good grasp of their rhetorics and be aware of what other people think/believe in
Incoming facts from Germany: We do have two different systems for maternity leave. Six weeks prior to the estimated birthdate and eight weeks after the actual birth there is what we call Mutterschutz (Protection of Mothers). In this time period it is forbidden to work. This is, partly, to keep employers from pressuring women to work earlier. The salary is paid by the employer, and the Health insurance reimburses the cost. In case of twins, triplets or premature birth the time period after birth can be prolonged to 12 weeks. After the Mutterschutz and for fathers, there is the concept of Elternzeit, which more closely translates to parental leave. This is optional, and paid directly by the government. Employers have to save the job for later return of the parent. There are even part time models, where you can work for half a day and prolong the duration of the Elternzeit.
I live in America and had my baby about 2 years ago and let me tell you I was not fully healed from the birth 6 weeks after. Thankfully I was able to do a 12 week UNPAID leave. Yes it was hard and money was extremely tight but there’s just no way you can go back to work after literally tearing apart to deliver a child and that’s what they expect here if you don’t want to be homeless. I only pulled through because I had the support of my family.
I can add to this that if the workplace is not safe during pregnancy or breastfeeding women a be forbidden to continue working there and continue getting their full salary (reimbursed by heath insurance) if necessary as early as the pregnancy is known. Same applies in chase of complications during pregnancy that make it impossible to continue working. During parental leave parents get 2/3 of their previous income for 14 months, but one person can only take up to 12 months so fathers are incentivised to take some time off as well.
Sry but you messed up "elternzeit" (parental leave) and "elterngeld" (parental money) "Elternzeit" is the time your employer has to save your job for you. That is up to 3 years per parent anf per child. That is unpaid. If you are on "elternzeit" you can recive "elterngeld" that is 66% of your income and is paid for up to 14 month. You can split those with your partner as you please. Restrictions beeing that you "only" can take 12 month max. And need to take at least 2 to be able to recive it. And you can split it so you can get 33% for 24 month.
@@rabeaw6646 almost ^^ the first 2 months of Elternzeit can´t be split in half for the person who gave birth so the longest that parent can take is 22 months with pay but you can take more time without pay
Joe Rogan is a complete idiot. He just doesn't want to learn by example because he thinks it shows weakness somehow. It's really incredible how stupid a person can be while thinking that they're clever. The guy takes steroids in his 50s; he puts his own life in danger ignoring what middle-age steroidal use does to the heart. The only thing really incredible about the man is how incredibly fragile his ego is.
LOL! I guess it depends on what is important to you. I have many friends from other countries and have talked with different clients of mine who would never go back to Europe or their home country. I love America and do believe it’s the best. Definitely not perfect but I love being free
No. Nobody does think that. America looks so good in the media. Then I did a road trip and saw all the poverty there and learnt that the poor are very poor and the rich are very rich.
I have to say I am highly grateful to live in Washington state. Which I honestly NEVER thought I would say until this year when my husband and I welcomed our very first little one into our family. If you’ve worked in the state for more then 820 hours you are eligible to get 12 weeks paid parental leave at 90% of what you were making prior. My cousin had her baby 2 weeks before me and lives in Oregon and they have absolutely no paid parental leave, she had to work up to the day of having her baby. She works 12 hour standing shifts as a security guard. And she had to go back to work almost instantly after having her baby. She was severely injured giving birth to her son and I just can’t imagine having to do what she is having to do. It breaks my heart that our country doesn’t take more consideration for new parents
When did that start? I had four babies in Washington state and never saw a cent of paid leave. I had to go back to work within a couple weeks of giving birth because we couldn't afford otherwise. It's ridiculous.
The US has spent so long kneecapping its own government that many people cannot fathom social policy like this. Rogan really acted like parental leave was coming from his own bank account. He talks like a man who has never changed a diaper in his life (and that is an insult to any real man). Medical recovery and a birthing partner aside, taking care of a newborn is a full time job. You can't put the baby on snooze while you do your american duty of suffering at work on no sleep.
My husband and I had our firstborn during our last semester of university; he graduated on time and I took a lighter course load and finished 8 weeks later after summer classes. When summer classes started, our baby was 2 months old. I went back to my federal job for my 20 hour week. My husband *lost* his job (for dumb reasons that eventually lead to unemployment). He couldn't find another quickly as we already knew we were moving for his career the day my classes finished. So he did all the housework and nearly all of the childcare while his wife worked and took advanced math classes. He held me as I cried because it was so hard and I was so tired. He was PROUD to be a stay-at-home dad and house husband. He was proud of me for juggling what was unfortunately needed. Diapers were just part of the responsibility of having a baby. Three kids later and he's still that way. Thank goodness, because I couldn't stay married to someone like Rogan.
This really hits home. Three children and I never had paid parental leave. It was hard. I worked as a nurse literally up to the day of birth and then I was back to work as soon as I could, which was six weeks maximum. Those six weeks were mentally and emotionally painful. My husband and I had to worry about finances while I went without pay, but I also only had six weeks to physically recover and learn how to be a mom to my new baby. It made what should have been a wonderful time, very stressful. I’ll never get that time back, but I can only hope that we get it right in the future for others.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that :( so sad, but yes, let’s hope for better future. There are some good businesses that offer some paid maternity leave - hats off to them
@@drakecarter1780 it’s not about her doing any research, she just said what it was like for her personally. It is a huge problem to take a mother from a little baby. First 4 years of a child are crucial in its psychological development so the more time the baby has with family, the better. When there is a problem, it should be fixed, not keep to the status quo at all costs. Just because America is an average country now in many aspects doesn’t mean it shouldn’t try to become better. And btw, in Europe, this leave is not paid fully by the employer but also by the state because you pay taxes so in Europe you get at least some benefits. (If you weren’t employed before - didn’t contribute with taxes - you won’t have the same benefits) Happy and rested employees are more effective, soooo ... that’s all I’m gonna say. Do some more research into this and you will change your opinion pretty fast 😆
@@lenkajf7816 the US cannot afford to spend additional money on something so trivial. You want to have a kid? Then make sure you are financially stable to do so before hand. That is not the employer problem, it's wrong to overwork the staff that the new parent works at because they will be absent long term and possibly not come back at all. The employer owes you NOTHING in this regard. More entitlement. Happier employees? Who? The one new parent? What about the rest of the team? Doesn't matter I guess.
@@drakecarter1780 I wonder how come it works in so many countries then .... if you didn’t pay taxes, then ok, don’t demand anything, but you do, so .... and all those other employees will have children themselves at some point, so all people benefit. I feel sorry for mothers who go to work while paying 70% of the pay for childcare. Again, just because your system is broken, doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed. Make America great 😂 😛 😆
The “This is America this is better” argument from Joe made me cringe and laugh at the same time. As someone from Europe I want to tell him he is wrong. In the Netherlands we just recently got paid parental leave and it works beter for everyone. Man are really important when it comes to creating a stable, loved and safe environment. And let’s not forget that those children are the future of your country. So give those fathers time to grow into the best support system ever.
Also Europen here, from Croatia 🙋♀️ You are talking about paid leave for fathers which is rather new also in Europe, but the way I understood is that in the US women also don't get paid leave which is unimaginable in European countries. Blows my mind 🤯
@@anikakozica6306 You are correct. Women in the US do not get paid maternity leave from her government at all. A small percentage of US women do get some paid maternity leave but only if their employer provides it or they pay for short term disability insurance on their own to cover a percentage of their income while they’re off. If you are a full time employee and work for an employer with at least 50 employees, you qualify for family medical leave of absence so that you don’t lose your job while you’re off for a few weeks giving birth but it is not paid by anyone. Not the government nor the employer. It’s incredibly frustrating. I got 60% of my pay for 6 weeks when I gave birth in 2017 because I paid for a short term disability insurance policy. Then I also had to pay $10,000 out of pocket for the birth AFTER my private paid insurance paid their part 😑
There are plenty of good things about the US, but there also tons of good things about other countries. Americans are so overwhelmed by "America is the best!!!" messaging that some can't understand why anyone would choose to live differently or elsewhere.
I just recently left a job where they would make horrible comments about one of the guys taking off when his wife gave birth, they also questioned when she went into labor if she was actually in labor. I am happy to have left such a horrible place. Currently I work for a big company and if I decide to have a child I will be able to take maternity leave, my fiancé works for an even larger company and they offer paternity leave, he also has the ability to work from home so even after his leave ends he could be home if he wanted to. Why is this country so backwards.
As a dad who raised many children, Joe is off his rocker. It's a lot of work taking care of a child. Not only that she needs to recover from the birth. Letting her get rest is one of the best things you can do. Joe is getting farther and farther to the right. The right can say literally anything and their supporters lap it up.
Also my mind went to the cases of single dads... what if something happens to the mother and dad has to take care of the baby. If men cant get leave then it leaves any men in that situation in an impossible situation. Or what aboutnif the mother gets severe post natal mental health issues and needs her husband around to not only help with the baby but also help her be stable.
@@Alice-si8uzRight? And Mom might not even know if she's acting mentally unstable and needs help. Mom's physical and mental health needs to be observed too.
As an American, I want the rest of the world to know that there are a lot of us who support paid parental leave, and universal Healthcare, and so many other things, and it's so frustrating that these assholes are the loudest voices, and they're making ALL the decisions. I'm sickened and terrified at the state of my own country, the supposed "greatest nation in the world". I would love to be able to leave, and go to a place that values human life, but circumstance keeps me here.
@@pixelgirl843 I recall a story I heard of someone actually moving to Germany (I think) from the USA. They loved it, and never want to live in the USA again... Joe going on saying JuSt MovE tO gERManY like it's a shithole and America is awesome... saying falsehoods like facts. What an asshole.
I'm so happy not to be an American or live in the US. I get horrified every time I hear about the living conditions in your country. Hope Things get better someday. But yes sadly people like him are the ones who shout the loudest.
It wasn’t mentioned much, but I’d like to point out that Rogan’s insane argument just automatically assumes that every child is born into a two parent household. However, he hasn’t ever let reality or a lack of knowledge on the subject matter get in the way when he speaks.
Does it matter not like Joe Rogan's fans take his word like the gospel and know he has lack of knowledge therefore they should find qualified personal to speak on these issues right?
I’m pretty sure what he said was if you are a man in that two-parent household you are looked down on for wanting to stay home with your newborn... which is true for most in the US. I do not get where you get that he assumed every child is born into a two-parent household. He is saying how the United States generally views paid parental leave. Not saying that it is right or wrong but that is our society.
@@nikkyk.k1705 He did argue that as well. My opinion is that it’s not okay to look down on men (single or in a relationship) for taking paternity leave, but that stems from a culture of toxic masculinity (the current embodiment of which is Hawley). But he also talked about how in heterosexual couples, only one needs to stay home (the woman, in his mind). It’s possible I missed it, but I don’t think he mentioned single parent households at all.
And because in this little abstract that Dr. Jones decided to use in her video, he didn’t explicitly talk about others (because their situation didn’t apply at the current moment in the conversation) he must assume all children are only born to two-person households? His show can last hours, he could’ve mentioned it in a different part of that show that we didn’t see because it was not relevant to what Dr. Jones wanted to say in her video. You are making assumptions about him (saying he doesn’t let reality or lack of knowledge stop him when he speaks) based on a snippet that was cherry-picked by Dr. Jones to make her point. I agree with you that it is not okay to look down on men for taking paternity leave and I don’t think he was necessarily against it because he said “what are you talking about” like he’d give an opening to have the conversation for it. I think he was merely saying that generally, most people in this society do not understand the concept. If you frame it in a way to say it is beneficial to child development that fathers take paternity leave, he’d probably be all for it. Joe Rogan is actually very involved in raising his daughter (I think he just has the one kid but I don’t know) and commonly recognizes that coupling up is important to humans on his show. But I think it is very much a part of his image that men’s and women's roles are separate and men should be protectors and providers while women handle the nurturing which plays into the maternity leave vs paternity leave issue. To him the idea is we couple up because someone has gotta be the protector and provider and people have to work to make that happen. And it is well known that single parents don’t seem to provide as well as two-parent couples do, which might just be part of our misogynistic society.
Thank you for this. As an adopted person I have heard that my mom didn't need maternity leave cause she wasn't breastfeeding. This is beyond insulting especially since the mid 60's did not feel the same about breastfeeding as we do now
A lot of people in the USA do not seem to realize how bad things are in your country. Honestly, you could pay me to live over there, I would not do it. Your health care system, your education system, your legal system, your media, your politics... everything is so messed up. Not that everything is perfect in Europe or Germany. But damn, whenever I feel depressed about flaws in our systems, I look at the US and think: Well at least it's not that bad. When I'm sick, I stay home (with full pay and no worries to get fired), I go to the doctor or the hospital, if I need to and not if my wallet allows it. If I'm having a child, my partner and me are supported in many ways (maternity leave, parental leave, parental pay...), cause it just makes sense as it is better for everyone (families, society, economy, the health care system...look at the freaking research). And btw., there is still much room for improvement and people here are fighting to improve these systems even further. And our economy is quite well (except for the pandemic thing). Also also, all these arguments that this or that measure could "hurt" the economy... you do realize, that the economy should serve the people, not the other way round. What good is a "thriving" economy when people living in it are miserable? We have "social capitalism", so there are checks and balances to make sure, that capitalism can do it's magic but still serves the people and does not go crazy (as it's doing in the US). So yeah, if you can't imagine all this "socialist" stuff working, come and live+work here for a while. You'll be amazed ;)
Actually, things in the U.S. are just fine outside of liberal shitholes like California and New York. Of course, if you are used to Socialism (which it seems like you are), most of the U.S. is not for you. We believe in supporting ourselves without government help and high taxes
@@jamesholden6142 if you can afford it yeah, but we all know not all Americans can afford medical care, housing and education, some of which are considered basic rights in socialist Germany. Btw, GDP of Germany is way up there hence the economy is not fucked. People need to do a bit of data analysis 🧐! You won’t find people with rotting mouth in socialist Germany because they are too broke to go to the dentist
@Dee Dee you just simply don't understand. People can go get care if they can't afford it and with zero wait time. The thing is, people simply don't want to. There are systems in place to take care of the less fortunate. People here are free to make their own decisions and live life they way they want to. It doessn't have to make sense to you or look pretty. America has some of the best medical care in the world. That is why people come here from all over the world for care. You're welcome, by the way, for the covid vaccines.
This makes me so grateful to be Canadian. I am currently on month 7 of my maternity leave and will be going back when my son is one year but my job is protected for 18 months if I wanted. I get paid about $2000/month after taxes from the government, but my employer topped me up to 100% of my regular pay for the first 8 weeks. I could not imagine having to go back so soon after giving birth! I’m easily able to breastfeed full time, bond with my baby, give myself time to heal, be able to go to the numerous appointments in those first few months and enjoy motherhood. I will go back to work ready and refreshed which makes me a better employee!
On month 9 of 12 here 🇨🇦 sharing the 18 with my partner. He took 3 this past summer while I was off and will do another 3 when I go back in Feb. Very thankful to have this time here. Hard enough to leave my baby at a year, can’t imagine leaving after a few weeks. Would break my heart. Plus the point about healthy habits, I have been able to work out and not only heal properly postpartum but am now feeling stronger than before.
Wow what a blessing :( my baby is 11 weeks and I had to return after 6 weeks in order for us to financially make it. But I am very grateful to have a clean space to pump several times during my shift
I really want to blame Trump for pulling shit out of the air or his ass and stating what is said as fact but the reality is politicians and business owners have been doing it for centuries to manipulate the masses and will continue to do so until we stop allowing it.
I live here in the US and thankfully my husband’s job gives him 4 weeks off. He took this time off when I had our first and it was so extremely helpful to have him there to support and help me. I definitely think every dad deserves to have time off if they want it
In Lithuanian maternity leave is 126 days, after that you have child rearing"holiday" for two years (not a holiday if you ask any parents ;) paid at approx 70% at first year and 40% second year). These are always taxes funded, so no businesses suffer financially, and it is customary to hire temp workers too for 2 years. You also get three years job security. Side note - very often temp workers later become full time employees. They way most see it- everyone wins, esp babies.
Mentioning the temp workers being a normal practice is really encouraging. I always wondered who would do someone’s job if mat/paternity leave was longer than a few weeks.
Almost the same in Bulgaria and all the formal Soviet Union countries I think. You can have a third unpaid year maternity leave while your employer is paying your health and pension benefits. Also you are not allowed to work night shits if you child is under a certain age.
The personal is political. As a woman of colour I feel that my entire existence is a political issue. Keep up the important content. I watch much of it with my 8 year old daughter to help explain things that i think she needs to know so we can have open honest discussions
I so agree with your statement. Being apolitical isn't a possibility when your existence is constantly politicised. As a queer woman from a low-income, single-parent household, I never had the luxury to not worry about politics. The personal absolutely IS political for a large number - I'd even dare to say a majority - of people!
Women of color truly have the highest impact with this issue in specific as infant mortality rates due to the lack of general available care. I remember doing research for a college paper on how specifically black women are the most gravely affected by the general lack of available care for pregnancy they are the most high risk group in the United States for death during childbirth and their child dying because there's a large amount of these women not receiving job insurance that want to cover the costs of necessary post birth testing and doctors visits that catch things like ectopic pregnancy. Generally the United States healthcare system and job related insurance availability doesn't cover surgeries or alot of necessary healthcare as many people have some kind of disability and the statistics on people developing mental health disorders generally is increasing. I specifically know this struggle greatly as I am autistic and generally I have a multitude of mental health issues because how my brain is. I have every common disorder relating to autism such as adhd, depression, ocd, generalized anxiety disorder. No job I have ever had has offered mental healthcare. Even as a supervisor of a pharmacy. I do not receive medical availability to mental health related treatment. You'd think that working as management in a medical related field I'd get that but I do not. I am very passionate on the fact I want health care for all I want nothing more than for everyone to feel that they can go to the doctor I feel terrified to go because of the cost even as a pharmacy supervisor. I'm so mad at the insurance system and big pharma not a single one of my coworkers doesn't hate big pharma as pharmacists we hate these companies we see the emotions and the pain people feel when they can't afford their medication everyday.
@@beetlebob4675 - No, anybody that can't handle an opposing opinion should remove themselves from any sort of public discourse. Facts don't care about your feelings, but more importantly neither do other people. Your feelings are your problem and body else's, they're also not a barometer for or an accurate reflection of reality - I might not be of colour, but I am LGBT and 'Personal is Political' just perpetuates and weaponises victimhood, in demographics that don't want to let go of issues they no longer face.
I legitimately believe that our country has the highest concentration of ignorant people, out of every country in the world. It's just so embarrassing how behind we are and how awful our citizens are treated.
Pretty much yes... when I was a teen, I had a few friends that went for 1 year to the US on those student interchange programs. Aside from the usual ignorance about geography or even biology (not knowing where what countries are there in EU, what are chestnuts, prunes, figs or even how fish look like when not packaged), two of them were asked if: - We could see the Moon from here - Women also menstruated here When I started using internet in the late 90's, mostly in college and started meeting from other countries on a daily basis, that perception of americans being poorly educated in general, dissipated a bit actually, but then, most people only had internet access in higher education facilities such as colleges and universities. Since 2010's I've seen a big decline when it comes to discourse over the internet with people in general, and specifically from US citizens, and with that, the perception that most americans are not the brightest bunch out there. Trump managing to get elected completely shattered the ceilling on that regard, to the point I expect nothing but the worst from the US. Also... the strangest americans I meet online (many of which with very loose moral and ethical values), end up being from Florida ... that is a weird, weird place! 1/10, will not recommend to visit! LOL
@@VectorPlexus The only good things in Florida are Disney World and similar attractions, and the beaches. I do enjoy visiting just for those things but otherwise yeah Florida is...not the greatest
As a Canadian watching this shitshow from the outside, I have to agree. It's not just that you have a lot of ignorant people, but that in a lot of cases, that ignorance is voluntary. Republicans in particular refuse to be corrected, ESPECIALLY when it's a "political" issue that really ought to just be a matter of scientific fact.
This attitude is SO incredibly frustrating!! So glad I'm in Australia, where we have healthcare and parental leave! And our kids can go to school without fear of being shot.
I’m in Australia and just had my 5th and my husband being home after I had the baby (he has had time off with every child I’ve had) had just been invaluable. He was able to help me rest and recover. He helped look after older kids, do cooking and cleaning and spend some valuable time bonding with his new baby. He cherishes the time he gets off when we have a new baby. To think some people don’t get that, for even the mothers, blows my mind.
We all can create this for ourselves and don't need an employer to make that decision for us. Good god, 5 kids, you know what will also make things easier...birth control!
When policy effects people’s health, it makes total sense for a doctor to talk about it. I appreciate Mama Doctor Jones shedding some science on the situation.
@@nikkyk.k1705 Of course everyone is biased. But I'd still rather listen to people who have knowledge of what they're talking about than someone who is basing their bias on wild speculation and emotion.
His whole argument just shoes how insidious and pervasive the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" attitude is I the country. His entire argument was balking in disbelief that people could be successful without grinding away the best years of their life and spitting in the faces of their family's wants and needs beyond financial support.
Well, I suppose this attitude is instilled for a reason since otherwise no one would manage in that system. And then you start feeling pride for pulling through all that.
The bootstrap angle was a segregationist angle from Jim Crow and Civil Rights era. The fact it’s so widespread that it now applies to anymore who isn’t raking in millions shows American media is pushing a narrative without a finish line. It’s like they ran out of races to pick on so naturally attacking those who want quality life at home is the new target. It’s a shitshow that will implode so fast, even Rogan will be impacted. America is a 3rd world country in so many ways…
My husband and I have always been for maternity/paternity leave but this video is so informative!! Thank you for bringing up actual stats! Could you make a video about sleep safety for infants? I know there are a lot of videos on this already but I think we'd all really appreciate it if it comes from you because the information would be more up to date and reliable
Here in Portugal, maternity leave is MANDATORY for the first 6 weeks with an extra of 24 weeks (before and/or after delivery). Paternity leave is 20 week day. For both, 100% of their salary. They can take an extra of 3 months each, but for 25% I had no idea that the US didn't had paternity leave... I'm shocked...
I know our country has its problems but thank goodness we have the basic healthcare guaranteed! I honestly have no idea why people think the US are such a great country if they cant even look out for newborns and their parents, how sad!!
My husband staying home those first few weeks was incredibly helpful. He helped me take care of my c section incision site, he helped me take care of our child, he bonded with our child, he went to the store so I wouldn’t have to take our child out (she was born a week before the Covid shutdown), he gave me time to rest, etc. My husband being able to have the parental leave he had helped me, our child, and himself.
I live in Canada. I'm a father of two. I LOVE parental leave and the fact that I get up to 8 WEEKS on TOP of my wife's 18 months paid leave. Love being with my kids!
Full year of slightly reduced pay for either parent, it is good for everyone in society to do this. Begin in a good way and all the days which follow will be better. Canadian teacher- unions and decisions based on well done long term studies lead to better lives.
Honestly, people like Rogan need to have a masculinity crisis induced by another guy manshaming them for NOT agreeing to stay home with a child for any amount of time. Or if they are staying childless, the same thing for not agreeing with other guys taking paternal leave. Maybe we should just start emasculating Americans for the ridiculous things they are in the minority for but have the audacity to feel superior over. No, Joe, you're not being a big manly dude guy for shaming men for taking part in their own families. You're being a little btch for fearing the collapse of society when a dad has the balls for the immense emotional and physical trial of be a present father for their own children. (For disclaimer, I don't actually agree with using toxicity to fight against toxicity, I'm just saying americans need to realize the thigns they glorify their own power for are in many cases marks of cowardice in the eyes of everybody else.)
I find it super weird that people think it’s weird for the dad to take parental leave. I have been in the United States Air Force for the past 10 years and have taken leave after the birth of each of my three kids. The best part was that it’s none chargeable leave, I still got to keep my normal leave time plus getting this “free” time off to bond with my newborns. If the government can figure out how to budget it with the military I think we can figure it out for everyone else too. I relies this is a all order to ask our elected officials to figure out a budget but I would love to see tax dollars spend on actually providing a service to its citizens.
This was so painful to watch. My husband works at a small liberal arts college in MN. They give everyone 6 weeks paid parental leave. My husband got 6 weeks with my son and I after I gave birth and I truly don't believe we could have done without it. Not only was it absolutely necessary for my mental and physical recovery (like not sure we both would have stayed alive without it) but my son was able to bond with my husband too, which was the most amazing, beautiful thing to watch. To this day they have a really unique bond and it just means so much, to my husband especially as he had wanted to be a dad for so long. Parents getting time with their babies is so important!
Yep. My husband only got 2 weeks paternity leave, but added some annual leave to make it almost a month off work. He cooked, cleaned, took our older child to and from school, and generally kept everything running while I physically recovered. Without that time I'm sure I would have ended up with PPD (again!). He also built a great bond with the youngest and reinforced his bond with the oldest. This was 5 years ago, and he still says he wishes he could have had more time at home.
This is amazing! My husband got about a week off with my first and only got the weekend off with my second baby (gave birth on a Thursday he was back at work Monday). It was the most stressful experience of my life and I had to give up breastfeeding within two weeks because I couldn’t manage two kids alone that early. It was hard, but something had to give and that was the only thing I could make “easier”. It’s just him and his dad at the business so they have no options for replacement people or financial ability to pay for not working. Our family would have really benefited from some program like this. Two years later and I had to put my career on hold because we couldn’t find reliable child care and I was expected to go back full time after 12 weeks(app but two or three unpaid after sick leave ran out).
@@shaelaann that sounds hard!❤ I really hope our country will quickly get to the point where families are offered sufficient support to help in these types of situations.
God i absolutely love you. “That’s not why you had your baby in a pick up truck.” Yesss. And why is a woman who doesn’t know the difference between maternity and paternity deciding our policies.
These politicians INFURIATED me in such a big scale. 1. I’m Mexican, I never saw the level of mental illness in parents there that I see in parents here. Mx offers 3 months PAID leave. 2. The option to have the father taking paid leave impacts the mom and baby mental health and development. Can you imagine having a knee replacement surgery and being sent home with a baby that you have to take care ALONE while you’re recovering from your surgery???? Man the level of privilege bias in these people blows my mind!! 3. USA is a very individualist country, you guys don’t have the tribe support where grandparents and sister and brothers of the parents help with the kid, that’s EXHAUSTING for parents of a new born this nuclear family concept. 4. Not to mention that with all this stress also comes the ridiculous prices for child care.
Thank you for mentioning the child care issues in the US. In the States, we're openly hostile to paid parental leave. We've gutted the social safety net. And childcare (especially for infants) is expensive if you can even get it. There's this undercurrent of shaming for any household that doesn't (for whatever reason) follow the Leave It To Beaver model.
@@Saezimmerman what i dont understand in us, they scream AAH TRIBALS we cant let them make a tribe , lol . how can you not be individual and still have benefits , you can still have everything without sacrificing your freedom xD it really is amazing.
@@andrear7181 maybe not but you don’t need a visa to go to Mexico and at the moment, an unprecedented number of US citizens are moving to Mexico for various reasons.
My husband has had 12 weeks of paternity leave with our last 2 kids and it has been so amazing. My mental health and my ability to bond with my newborn is so much better. The first 2 kids he was military and got no leave. Paternity leave is important. Both parents should have time to bond with their baby and adjest to the life change, and dads need to be there to help their partners recover.
“Is the argument that rich mothers should only be able to stay home with their babies?” Yes that is 100% their take. I’m sure that has absolutely zero societal consequences we’d pay for later.
This reminds me of the “don’t have kids if you can’t afford it” bs I have to hear constantly. And yet… our bodies are built to make babies most efficiently (this is not to say women can’t have babies later in life, it just gets more difficult) at an age that most people don’t have a lot of disposable income so… how about we just let our species die out?
@@sweetlittlebubbles How selfish are you that your want to have a child outweighs the needs of that child? A child deserves a good life outside of the hardships of poverty, so yes, you shouldn't have children if you can't afford to. Why would you willingly put another human through the hardships of being unable to afford food, clothes or other basic necessities. If someone can barely afford their own expenses, bringing a child into this world they certainly won't be able to afford to care for is a cruel action to take. Our species isn't going to die out if people wait until they have enough income to have children.
I love how he's like "We are not in Europe, we are in America, this is better!" As a European, when I read this from Americans (or "America is the best country") I ask "ok what is better, but please provide actual data to prove that it is objectively better / the best, not just subjective (which means just "for you")", they never can. Just concepts like "but muh freedom" (dude we got freedom) and such. Any kind of statistics that indicate quality of life / public health / education etc. don't have America at the top. I am sure there are some areas where America is absolutely great (like your elite universities are probably top of the world, research in a lot of areas is very good), but it's far from the best in everything. I would frankly never consider a move to the US.
@@IvySorh you missed her point, her point is that the tab should be picked up by the society that is lying when pretending they wouldn't be benefitting from the birth instead of forcing non-rich families to have their kids when the woman is older and when complication risk is higher. Otherwise they are essentially saying that only rich women deserve youthful lower risk pregnancies and are encouraging golddigging for those women that are not born into wealth
@@IvySorh the US seems to be built as a resource extraction device these days. As a society income inequality means if monetary security was the yardstick for whether you have children, there would be almost no children in this country.
I’m Canadian, I can’t imagine not being able to go on mat leave when I have kids one day. It’s wild that the US is supposedly a “developed” country but doesn’t have something as basic as paid parental leave.
The usa is truly a third world country with a face of a first world country. I find it astonishing how much they lack in healthcare, housing and employment. Yet they believe the continent of Africa is undeveloped and a third world continent as a whole.
"It's not just to bond with the kid." But isn't that an important thing for parent(s) and the kid(s)? I mean, say a group of people felt that families were important, valued one might even say, wouldn't solid bonds between parents and children be important?
Bonding with your baby provides the cornerstone of brain development and leads to effective social and emotional development (pro social behaviour etc) if you don't have the opportunity to develop that, and add in the stress and poverty of trying to work, recover from birth, all on micro 45min chunks of sleep 🥴 the recipe for a horrendous and toxic life is there. It's a wonder that anyone has kids there in the USA... Oh yeh abortion is banned in texas and really weak access to contraceptives
Babies are cherished and important and precious and must be protected! When they're still in the womb that is. Afterward, they don't deserve to have their parents be there for them, according to these people.
Yes. But I don’t think that was the point. Being a mother, i know it’s really important to be there for her and not just the baby. I felt so supported while pregnant but then as soon as I gave birth everyone just wanted to see the baby… That lasted about two weeks and then people just seem to forget about you. If we were financially stable enough for my husband to stay home, that would’ve kept me from a lot of postpartum depression. So no. It’s not “just” to bond with the baby. It’s also to support your partner. So that no one feels alone during that time.
Bonding with your child is absolutely important its one of the most important things for that baby as far as brain development goes idk the full science behind it but kids who don't have that bonding time are often underdeveloped in social skills I am paraphrasing so a few details might be incorrect
@@estherrodriguez2054 Absolutely. And physically, having a partner there to do things like cook for you, get you things, change the baby etc so you can rest and recover is so important. Especially if something happens, like you have a c-section, have a second child that you can't actually lift but is still in diapers.. phew. Support is important in so many ways.
I live in Brazil and I am appalled to know that indeed. We have 3 months of paid mathernal leave for new moms (even when it comes to adoption) and paternity leave is now in discussion. Oh! And we get paid full salary😊
I'm 35, applying to grad school, and am hoping to get pregnant at least once before I'm 40. Because the US has no paid parental leave, people have told me it's better to give birth during grad school than after starting a new job which is bananas! We've gotta do better!
This is true! I got pregnant in my last year of my M.S. in Psychology. I had my daughter in the same month I graduated. It worked well, I had solid student insurance. And, I got to take 3 months off to spend with her... which is still squat compared to other countries but great in terms of what we get in the States.
I had my first baby 6 months ago, I'm a 5th year PhD student. It's incredibly difficult, but my supervisor is so amazing. I honestly couldn't be doing this without his support.
I'm in this position right now and being pregnant while studying is SO HARD. We made the choice to get pregnant now for this very reason. I will have about 9 months before I get back into the work force and I'm not at all comfortable putting a 9mo old in daycare 😩
My unplanned pregnancy happens to line up with me finishing grad school while still on maternity leave. I have never been so thankful to not have to do school, work & baby at the same time. It’s so unfortunate that was even an issue to consider.
I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but in addition to parental leave being a great idea full stop, in the case of the Buttigieg's they really needed it. Pete and Chasten did not find out till the day before that it was twins and not a singleton, AND the babies were born premature. So they had a lot of last minute prep (to double all their supplies!) and the babies needed a lot of extra care. (Especially little Gus, who has been in and out of the pediatric ICU in recent days.) Babies are a big adjustment, two babies are a really huge adjustment, and two preemies -- those dads have their hands very very full!
Me and my twin brother were born in the late 70s. We were 1 till an ultrasound 15 days before birth, but nevermind they told them just my brother will make it ( I was too weak). We were premature, we spent a month in the ICU. My mom will leave late at night drive 60 miles to our house, wash the clothed diapers. She'll have dinner with my dad who had been out to work from 6 in the morning till 8 at night. Woke up next morning and go to the hospital with fresh diapers. When we were discharge we had to spend another month isolated from the outside. Thankfully my mom count with 4 grandparents and a group of family and friends to help them. But a parental leave would have been great for my dad.
Extra detail on the Swedish parental leave: The moment the mom goes into labor, the dad/partner get 10 days parental leave immediately (like "Oh crap, she's in labor, I gotta go!" kinda type of immediately 😁) to be able to support her during that first difficult time.
54 working days for dad in Finland, 1-18 working days he can stay at home together with mom. The length of stay increases if a family had more than 1 child . Maternity leave lasts for 105 working days and then parents are able to be on parental leave for 158 working days , either the mother or the father can take it.
I’m a Republican but I absolutely support parental leave! I agree with you outcomes are better for families. I am to old to have babies now but this would have helped me when I had my kids. Plus most daycares do not accept babies under 3 months. I agree with you on this issue 💯
Thank you for addressing this. So infuriating when people tout "family first" rhetoric, but never put their money where their mouth is. Parents having time to spend with their children of all ages affects society at large on so many levels. We need more people talking about this.
We need more people being responsible and not asking other people to pay for them! I got 5 kids I'm a housekeeper and I dont need the government to pay for my kids! I'm their mother and i should be the one responsible for them. O dont understand why people always think the government should pay for everything 🤭
exactly! This should be a conservative talking point! They're all so full of 'family values', but as soon as they think it would cost them money, they are ready to drop (poor) families at the drop of a hat, because 'the economy'. For which it wouldn't even be much of a problem... But of course, they subsequently blame those parents for their lack of parenting... Now, I kind of get it, employment in the US is a lot of dog eat dog, if you even stay out for a few weeks to recover, you might well be replaced by the time you return. But if you want people to have families, and that definitely is a conservative talking point, you should allow them to do exactly that, and not price them out of it.
These same parents should also get back to work so people with aging parents can take time to take their parents to appointments and such. Funny how so many parents who tout family first to employers aren't willing to cover shifts, because they have kids. Yet they want all this paid maternity, and paternity leave, shifts which childless people cover. I'm so tired of the whining.
This makes me so sad. I am from New Zealand, and I could not imagine my partner not being with me at least a few weeks after giving birth. Sleep deprivation alone would make it unsafe for him to drive to work. Babies are not robots or commodities, they are tiny people that need love and attention all the time. One person cannot do everything all the time and be mentally okay. It truly takes a village.
This is honestly infuriating. America is backwards in so many ways. Honestly I hate living in America and my long term goal is to move out of this country. Every single person should get paid time off when having a child. I had my first child in 2020, and I was grateful for having my fiance (now husband) there for the first 12 weeks(fmla). I honestly don't know what I would have done without him.
Agreed, the more I look around I realize how unsafe and unsustainable life is in America. I'd love to go anywhere else bc honestly how could I reasonably have a family in a country that could give zero shits about me?
Agreed. I had my 1st March 2020. I ended up needing an emergency c-section and was in the hospital for a week total. My husband had to use his PTO for that week and then he only had 3 days of paternity leave. We live in NJ and I had to have my mom come up from FL to help us out because he had to back to work and I just had major abdominal surgery. We were so lucky she was able to come help out with the baby because I dont know what I would've done otherwise
I gave birth to a son in march of 2020 and my husband got 6 weeks of paid paternity leave through his job but he was wanting a promotion so he went back at 4 weeks and i was really stressed and not ready for him to go back. His work took forever to get around to promotions bc of covid and I hated that we lost out on those last 2 weeks.
My cousin and his wife had a baby a while back, and because he wasn’t offered paid paternal leave, he had to work his ass off to save up the money leading up to the due date. He saved enough to squeeze like 3-4 months of time at home with his wife and son, but I know he would’ve spent more time with his family if he could’ve. I appreciate him as a human.
Oh man, Joe and Lauren’s heads would explode if they heard my husband will be taking 18 months off when we have a baby. I’m self-employed so do not have mat leave. Husband has access to 18 months paternity leave, and you can guarantee he will be taking every single day of it.
I’m a student midwife in Germany and the first thing our professors said on the first day of class was that there is no way to depoliticize this job. Reproductive healthcare, especially for people with vaginas and people who can become pregnant, is always going to be a political issue and I frankly think it’s irresponsible to try to depoliticize it. Anyone who thinks parents don’t deserve universal paid leave after the birth of a child by default believe those children don’t deserve to have the best infancy and childhood possible.
Girl you could have just said women, and not "people with vaginas" and "people who can become pregnant", because there are only men and women -nothing in between. This type of wokeness is literally insanity! especially coming from someone who is a medical personal. And no, this isn't me being insensitive or all the other tags woke people like to use, it's basic human biology, basic science and basic logic.
@@jennybelinson8191 I feel like if you understood basic human biology, you‘d be very surprised by how incorrect you are. I know men who have given birth and you probably wouldn’t call them women if you met them on street. Have a great day! Try not to invalidate trans people too much!
Fair warning: I voted for Buttigieg so I'm partial It's really sad that none of these people even bothered to mention that his babies were premature and one has been in the hospital. Of course there are photos in the hospital, these poor babies have spent so much time in the hospital. And of course he needed extended parental leave, the needs of premature babies are a lot. That's why parental leave is so important for both parents. Not every birth is one healthy kid. Sometimes things go wrong and even if you planned to be back in 2 weeks that may not happen because of things out of your control. The birth mother may have needed emergency surgery so the other parent may be needed around the house and with the baby. The baby might be sick. You never know. It's gross that people just assume that childbirth is "Hey I laid down and had a baby and in 2 days I'm up and about and everything is great" Let alone the whole bonding part which is also important.
Well I voted for Bernie Sanders, and I agree with everything you said! I didn't much like Pete but you bet I defended him when Tucker Carlson and his chorus of copycats made those disgusting comments! Homophobia isn't okay, period! And I was even more pissed at Carlson because he was making me defend Pete Buttigieg! ;-) And as for paid parental leave, we may disagree on Pete, but we're totally in agreement on this! It's the right thing, it's good for the health of the babies and the mothers, it's good for families, and anyone who claims they're "pro-life" or "pro-family" should support it.
A healthy birth, where nothing goes wrong is traumatic to the body, I can't imagine having to go back to work like nothing happened. Now let's add the trauma to the body when everything doesn't go well... yeah that's not resolved in 2 weeks...
@@Celebriel82 I've had many employees show back up 2 days later for physical work like nothing happened trying to work without a release from their doctor 🇺🇲 these are employees with STD benefits so they don't *have* to work but they feel like they do. Because🇺🇲
I was born a month premature, breach, with a laundry list of health issues and complications, during a war. My dad was fighting and my mom had a second child at home (my older sibling is just shy of 12 months older than me) so she was going back and forth between her kids in a war zone because I spent two months in N-ICU while they finished developing my lungs and tried to fix my kinked tear ducts and more. Paid parental leave for both would have been a godsend so one could stay home with the older child while the other was at the hospital with me. My parents deserve medals for what they endured when I was born.
In Romania, you can take up to 2 years for each child, paid 80% of your income for the previous 12 months. Parents can go back to work after 1 year, if they want. One month of that total period is for the parent who did not take the main parental leave (it's usually for the father, but roles can be switched). If the baby has a handicap, parental leave can be up to 3 years.
What is awesome is that this time can be taken by any of the parents. After I had my baby, her dad took leave and I went back to work because I had a better paid more flexible schedule. So more often than not we were both home for two whole years. My kid has been so healthy and happy because of this. And we were able to learn all about raising her because otherwise we had no support
@@shebajohn9122 Of course not. You'd be on leave, raising a child, that is enough of a job. The position is normally filled by a temporary employee for that period of time.
I find it 'interesting' that Joe was like 'we aren't in Europe' and I'm like ummm 'what about Canada?' Canada hasn't crumbled to the ground last time I checked lol
Also, why is the argument for something that works in another country always, "Well, this isn't that country, this is America!" - like no shit Joe! the whole point is to take examples from these countries that are able to do it and learn from it. So much arrogance from a person whose country doesn't even have universal healthcare.
I would have loved to have been able to take leave so I could have helped my fiance during both of our pregnancies. She dealt with preclampsia, depression, and high blood pressure while caring for two babies.
Thank God we have educated strong women like you in this world. I applaud you for getting through this. So sick of Joe Rogan’s toxic masculinity and uneducated opinions 😡😡
@@christinajones6500 ... did you not watch the video? It's chock full of Joe Rogan advocating for toxic practices and attitudes like men not bonding with their newborns in order to get "small business" owners like Joe more $$$$$
@@jd0604 so like him taking ivermectin, I listened.to.him, that wasn't devils advocate, that was against..stop trying to soften his bullshit attitude. He makes his money off appealing to the lowest common denominator. Joe is out for Joe.
@@jd0604 LOL he doesnt give a fuck about anyone but Joe. I went back and listened, he didnt walk back on it, he said it was an interesting conversation and went back to shitting on Germany because they give 9 months. No one has ever said it should be out of the pockets of business, but he was pushing some pretty toxic bullshit of one parent being in charge of the kids etc....hes toxic AF pushing misinformation that people like you lap up.
@@jd0604 dude, no disrespect, you're welcome to like whatever show you like, but everything he said about this topic is so sexist against men, it's ridiculous... That's why it's toxic. No matter how you feel about the overuse of the phrase 'toxic masculinity,' that doesn't change the fact that so many men, like Rogan, are just hurting other men by holding literally every single one of them to the same standard stereotype. These men are just as bad as the self sabotaging, hypocritical woman who hysterically demands to have her pov respected and listened to, while she laughs in a man's face and cuts him down when he shows any kind of real emotion and belittles his problems, and makes rational women generally look like fools because we get lumped in with them. Thats why dudes like Rogan present a problem. Joe totally has fuck you money, that's why he gets behind a mic every podcast and basically tells us 'Fuck you, I'm Joe Rogan, and I can do whatever the fuck I want, consequences be damned as long as I get my limelight.' He doesn't stand up for anyone, he just likes having a huge platform to preach his drug induced, fear based ignorance. He's fried his brain on DMT, weed, and God only knows what else, so I dont understand why potentially intelligent young men look up to an uneducated burn out who seems to clearly be using his audience's feelings of vulnerability and their genuine concerns or fears against them to fulfill his million dollar contract on a Spotify deal. He's insidious because he makes men think he understands how they feel and is speaking up for them, but he doesn't have any right to do that. Most men I know who are simple welders or forklift drivers are lightyears smarter than Rogan, so I don't understand how he, with his millions of dollars and Hollywood lifestyle, speaks for any of the regular men who tune in. Just my opinion, I know it ain't worth a damn, but I simply don't understand this cult of personality. Rogan should stick to discussing UFC and Jiu Jitsu because he knows that shit like the back of his hand, and he's great at it, but on medical and political topics, he's an uneducated/unqualified, megaphone and he's old enough to know that it's potentially harmful to talk that much into a megaphone for that long to that big of an audience when youre not qualified to talk about it with such vehemence. He's a great stand up comic, and I honestly don't understand why hes trying to be a gym bro/supplement selling version of George Carlin by getting more and more political as years go on. He's sowing discontent just like the leftist shit stirrers in this country for him and his supermodel wife to profit directly from. Two sides of the same coin to me. Nobody should be letting anyone else do the thinking or the speaking for them and this is where I feel like he's toxic. He thinks he has authority. In actuality, he does not. He only has the authority that people lend him. The pack mentality for humans, especially the alpha beta theory, is an outdated and disproven concept that Joe keeps perpetually extolling as the root cause of mens' feeling of displacement and insecurity in the modern world, but it's people like this who are actively feeding those fears and insecurities because either he's directly profiting from it or perhaps feels those fears himself and is looking to the big group for validation of those anxieties. Again, no disrespect meant to you, I'm just genuinely confused why so many people seem drawn to this particular person outside of his stand up shows.
Joe Rogan reminds me of my Dad's boss when I was a young. One of us kids was sick, and it was my Dad who called in because his day was easier to drop than my Mom's, due to the nature of their jobs. His boss gave him flak about 'being the breadwinner' and why wasn't Mom staying home? Even way back then, my Dad told him Mom is his partner, and just where he could stick his opinion of our family's parenting choices.
I'm the stay at the stay at home carer. One day I'd gone shopping, but had forgotten my phone. School had to call my husband to collect our child as they had fallen asleep in their calm corner. He doesn't drive so cycled to collect and bring them home. He has also taken time off to help care when the same child was sick and I was volunteering at the youngest's preschool setting, and when I had medical appointments and wouldn't be able to get to collect them from school.
"You shouldn't have to take it if you don't want to." Germany has 8 weeks mandatory, paid parental leave for any parent who gives birth, miscarries after a certain point, or adopts a child. German has three types of parental leave, but the first one, which translates roughly to 'mother protection time' is non-negotiable. It's to avoid injury to someone who did something very physically and mentally strenuous, and to encourage bonding with the baby, if there is a baby, or get time to grieve if there is not. The one strange hiccup about this is, if you adopt a school-aged child, you still have to take the eight weeks' leave. Your child, however, is not allowed to miss school unless there is a medical reason, and having to bond with your new parent does not count. Edit: The two other kinds of parental leave, which I always mix up the names of, are there to let parents adjust to a major life change without it affecting their work performance (not having workers running on two hours of sleep is generally seen as good business practice) and to be present for milestones of their child. It is also a way to take strain off Germany's ridiculously limited daycare and kindergarten system, which has too few free spaces, not enough staff, and is generally only open during business hours or less.
I can see the benefits of taking the 8 weeks for the new adopted school age child. Some reasons I can see: -Adjusting to a new pattern -Being able to take time to new run errands that resulted from having a new kid -make changes to the house -be completely free to be with the kid after school I understand why in the last one you woukd argue that they can do that while still attending work. But that's not always the case. For example I sometimes come home from work but still have documents to review before the next day. And it takes time sometimes until bedtime. If the parents is not working they wont have work to distract them from being able to dedicate all after-school time with them. Plus not all kids are adopted during school season. Some are adopted during school breaks and that would allow for a lot of bonding time that would be missed if the parent had to work.
What many don't seem to take into account is a) childbirth is physically traumatic and the mother NEEDS time to recover/heal; b) caring for a baby is a 24/7 job unpaid job.
I can tell you as an American it is because it has been ingrained in us to believe that we are first workhorses for the business. Americans tend to sadly view poor people or the less fortunate as leeches on society… which is so sad.
@@Pinelo-pie no it has more to do with if they were born and live there and like those policies than they don’t have the room to comment on the policies in the US. And yes that is what we call ourselves in the US is American, confusing I know but what else are we supposed to say, it is the United States of America so we call ourselves American, which we are. You are only able to speak from your perspective and, as someone who is born/lives not in the US, I don’t expect you to understand how lucky it is to be American and not be forced to pay for social programs such as parental leave.
As a mother with poor health and having had post-partum depression with *each* child, in the poverty bracket, I can say that paid paternity leave would have meant the WORLD to me and my family's health. Every day and night was such a *struggle!* Clawing my way through each hour trying to care for my precious, glorious children while trying to maintain my own mental and physical health was the hardest task of my life. I've had to stop at two children because my health simply cannot bear another round of it again even though I yearn for more children. We wanted to at least have a daughter. The day America realizes how vastly important for our own benefit maternity and paternity leave is, the BETTER!
But things aren't so good in these other countries. You mention poverty. People in these other countries pay a lot more in taxes. A LOT more. Most in the USA get some sort of refund at tax time. Dream on in these other countries. No such thing.
@@lorainefleeman6011 I'm from Germany and yes we do have poverty like everywhere else but to say there is no tax returns in other countries is clearly misinformed. Of course we get tax returns. I don't know whether or not we pay more taxes but I like the feeling it comes back to us in form of free healthcare and paied paternity leave amongst others.
@@jenna3472 Many countries don't do tax returns, and many do pay a lot more. I have aunts, cousins, etc., in Germany, and it's really no better there than it is in the USA. Some things better than in the USA, and some things worse, but overall, it's about the same. Our cost of living in the USA is cheaper than in many other countries. Instead of paying higher taxes, we pay insurance premiums, so I don't see the difference there. We do have free and sliding fee clinics(which is very cheap for low income). Most homeless people where I live are on disability, medicaid, Medicare, some even tricare(for veterans), etc. People in Canada tell me that yes, they get free healthcare, but if they need a specialist, they need to come to the USA. All of my cousins that grew up in Canada all moved to the USA as adults, so it can't be all bad here.
@@lorainefleeman6011 I live in Sweden and we also have tax refunds IF we paid to much tax the year before. And I also don't think we pay to much tax in Sweden because of what you get for it.
@@camillalundblad6274 Yeah. Most people in the USA get refunds. Sometimes we have to pay in, but usually not. That's the average citizen. Businesses and business owners are different.
Both of the clips here highlight one of the huge issues in the US: this blatant idolization of the “American way” (put in quotations because obvious the US is not America in its entirety). No, I don’t mean patriotism - if someone is patriotic, they’re also willing to put forth the effort to make a country better. This is pure idolization: putting this rose colored glasses version of a country on a pedestal, insisting it is the best and most amazing methodology and everyone is just begging to be here and everyone else is just jealous that they’re doing it wrong, when in reality we’re at the bottom of nearly every list. Of first world countries we have the worst infant mortality, we have the worst education system, we have the worst crime rates and rates of people who commit crimes once they’re finally let out of prison. And yet any attempt to fight it or change it or push for something better is shut down by people hypnotized by this idolized “American way.” Are the other countries perfect? No. Perfection is superfluous and outright impossible. But there are so many things better than this, if we were willing to work towards it. And before someone says it: no, I’m not going to move elsewhere because I don’t like it. Because like I said, pursuing change and progress and better for the country you live in is a good thing
You're right. It also feels like such an archaic way of thinking - that the father is supposed to work and the mother should take care of the baby at home. As if both parents wanting to stay home to be with THEIR newborn is so outrageous. Just because one doesn't birth their child, doesn't mean they don't deserve to spend time with them. Parental leave is a right, just like healthcare. I don't get why some people just cannot wrap their heads around that.
YES. This. So much this. I am patriotic to my core, but this country I love has some messed up stuff that needs to change. I'm gonna keep working on the change instead of abandoning the problem to those less able to make change happen.
If you're from outside the US, what does your country offer for paid parental leave?
In Canada, the standard is 12 months but can be extended to up to 18 months. This can be shared between both parents.
I truely believe that if I was offered paid maternity leave my third daughter wouldn’t have passed away because I would have been with her and noticing her issues faster than When I was at work, I would have noticed her episodes of not breathing earlier
Slovakia- 7 months full paid and next months up to 3 years approx 50% of minimal wage
In Mexico you get 12 weeks full paid maternity leave, and 5 days full paid paternity leave.
6 months full paid + 6 months half pay, divided by the couple as they choose
As a childless person who doesn't plan on having kids... I will fight tooth and nail for paid parental leave. I get so f***ing fired up over this issue, it still blows my mind how people can STILL be so against paid parental leave. I want the community and country that I live in to be at it's best. Because I care about other people but also because I want a nice place to live out my life. That means supporting policies and programs that don't necessarily apply to me and may not ever apply to me. Not directly anyway.
How wonderful are you!!!! Thank you.
Childless also because I can't afford a child. I never expected someone else to pay for me to have a family.
Same girl. Same.
If youre so passionate about it why not find a pregnant woman and say hey take a few months offi got you.
@@patrickbeard5922 because that's not their job
I think that not only should paid parental leave should be offered, it should be mandatory for both Moms and Dads. I cannot hide the fact that I am a woman of reproductive age and this will always be held against me professionally. Whenever I go into a job interview, the fact that I could get pregnant and go on leave will always make me a less desirable candidate than a man. If people of all genders have to go on leave, the playing field will be closer to even.
Yes!!!! 1000 times yes!!!!!!
Ooh, spicy take! I like it!
Yes, exactly my thoughts on this! Men should need to to stay with their children as long as women do.
This is a really intriguing thought and as you say your proposal would even the playing field and probably be usually beneficial for family harmony and the child's health and bonding with their parents. Something that should really be considered!
Paternity leave in Spain obliges the second parent to take leave for six weeks after delivery. For the reason you comment, also to block the pressure in the work environment towards parents who want to use it, the mother's recovery is better and because it has been shown that visits to the doctor and routines often fall on the caregiver who has performed the most. tasks in the first months which creates disparity in the distribution of care.
I'm a Swedish physician pregnant with my first child. Me and the dad are taking 6 months off each to take care of the child, which is what a lot of people do here, all of my male friends with children took out paternity leave. I honestly can't even imagine the stress of taking care of a newborn while both partners are working 100%. And why shame a father for prioritizing his baby over work?
How much both of you are entitled to? Is those 6 months your personal choice? Im really curious
@@merythg79 late comment, but you get 480 days of parental leave for each child in Sweden. You can split 300 of those days however you want, but you each get 90 days that you can't give away to the other parent, ear marking days for each parent is a way to have parents divide the time equally. You can take parental leave days up until the child turns 12, but you can only save 96 days after the child turns 4.
Sweden is a completely different culture and political system. I think it is great that Sweden offers these things and that the government has it as a matter of policy. The United States founding documents place pretty strict limits on what our central government can and cannot force on the citizens as a matter of policy. Our limited government makes it questionable whether this policy would be constitutional. I tend to side with that too. No one is telling employers-employees they cannot give or take parental leave, we are just saying that the government cannot force private employers to sacrifice their labor force for the benefit of employee outcomes as a matter of public policy. It isn’t our federal governments role. It’s role is to respect and enforce agreements between private parties. If the government wants to offer this benefit to federal employees than it can, but cannot force this on private employees.
@@thomascharlton7325 the government isn't forcing anyone to sacrifice their labor force, the one on parental leave is paid by the governmental social insurance agency, and the employer usually hires someone else to work instead of the employee that's on leave. The amount of money/day depends on your working salary, but even someone who's not working, unemployed people and students for example, is eligible for it.
Leaving the if or how long they offer parental leave up to each individual employer will obviously mean that a lot of people won't be allowed to take parental leave, only having a few weeks, and/or it being unpaid. I can't see how that would be a good thing, especially since seeing just how young a six week old baby is, it's still a newborn, it's not ready to be left in daycare or with a nanny. It's just inhumane to me, but I'm used to seeing people being home with their babies for a year, at least.
A lot of US society is still stuck on the idea that men should work and provide financially, while women stay home and care for the home and children.
As someone with a bachelors in marriage and family studies I would like to say that not only is maternity leave important for the health and attachment of the mother and baby, but paternity leave is also extremely important for the baby to develop an attachment and bond to the father. It’s something that we are starting to study more and see the affects of in recent years (there is a lot of research done on mothers but little on fathers in comparison but that, thankfully, has begun to change).
Bachelors in Family & marriage...yet families and marriage failing in the west
@@nzeadidnazi8410 Better than being in unhappy, arranged marriages. Like divorce isn't a bad thing if the alternative is an unhappy marriage.
@@DM-nw5lu I didn't know being unmarried and without children to carry the name & legacy of your ancestors/family is a thing of joy for white people like u.
Romantic love is white Disney manufactured culture.
@@nzeadidnazi8410 I don't carer about my family name or legacy. Not all of us are narcissists like you. And as someone who is romantically in love I'd beg to differ.
@@DM-nw5lu I have excessive interest in my family you have excessive interest in yourself...wise people have love foolish people search for it.
As a German I feel offended by Joe. He doens't know sh*t. I'm so glad that we have paid parental leave and my husband and I used it for both of our children. It was the best time of our lives. I'm sorry for all Americans who can't experience the special first months/years because they gotta work and have no other choice. If people want to work and not take time off that's fine. It's their decision. But you gotta give them a choice.
Not German, but I felt you when he said that. Most countries would be thankful for Germany’s economy! All managed with a good social security net that helps people when they need it, so they’re at their best when they work.
Not German but Canadian anc it’s similar here so I was offended too. He doesn’t know sh** about most things. It’s insane that he has such a massive platform. I legit don’t understand how he’s doing so well. He’s an utter moron.
As an American I’m offended by Joe….So I feel ya.
It's just sad a lot of men think spending time with their kids is effeminate! What awful parents!
German as well here. Joe is an ignorant, arrogant a$$hole.
Germany easily outpaces the US regularly in export SURPLUS, whereas the USA always has an export deficit.
That means, that the USA is always currently spending more than it earns. How is that a viable long term economic survival strategy.
Germany's Mittelstand / small to medium sized companies are alive and thriving.
That dads want to bond with their kids as well as mothers is not something that Joe Rogan obviously can't understand.
Bonding needs time.
Google is a COMMUNIST empire?!? WHAT?!?
What an asshole!
Not only do we have the highest infant mortality rate, we have the highest maternal mortality rate of OECD nations. It's insane. I'm a sophomore nursing student doing a research paper about maternal mortality in the US and how the current system is causing those, thank you for talking about this!
We are 33 out of 36 for OECD nations, but highest for developed, rich nations for sure.
We have one of the highest rates of obesity so that probably contributes to deaths
@@christinajones6500 it contributes for sure, but day care for infants and decreased breastfeeding because of returning to work and stress, also contribute to infant death. Most developed countries have extended parental leave because of those factors in addition to others.
@@MiracleFound decreased breastfeeding…? Uh no that does not contribute to infant death wtf?? Tons of babies eat formula including mine.
@@christinajones6500 babies get antibodies from their mother when they breastfeed. Formula is fine, but the biggest reason most women don't breastfeed is because it isn't compatible with working. I had preemie twins and breastfed them for the first year even though I was working 30 hours a week. I was lucky because I produced plenty of milk and with help of family, my husband and I worked opposite shifts so that they didn't have to be in daycare. So many other mothers have to return to work in as little as a week after giving birth because they can't afford to take off. Formula feeding is the best option for a lot of moms, but some babies, especially preemies do better on breastmilk.
This is why when I had an american boyfriend I told him that yes, I can move to the US to be with you. But the SECOND a baby is involved I'm moving back to Norway, with or without you. I am NOT having a child in the US.
seriously! How can americans think their way is "better" somehow is beyond me. They'll have nothing and be proud of it...
@@allister.trudel It's just the American way, unfortunately.
@@hannahm.9881 Hopefully one day we can get paid parental leave. It would help so many people out.
Norway is well known for gender equality
I had an opportunity to have a job long term in the US, but I already had a cancer scare before. I was not ready to choose between my health and my financial situation. (plus a job in the Midwest wasn't exciting) So I went back to France.
As a german its difficult for me to even comprehend how much harder it must be in the US to become parents. From medical bills a german citizens never even sees because of our mandatory self insurance, to paid parental leave and our monthly child benefit it seems so much easier to have kids here. I'm pregnant myself at the moment and thanks to a job that is seen as risky for the health of an unborn child, I am at home since May, but getting paid my full salary and of course my job is save for the next years. I dont even want to think about how much more stressful this pregnancy would be if no one cared about my well beeing and just wanted me to perform at work, no matter what that means for me or my child.
The component missing from EVERY comment in this video is the discussion of CLASS, and for good reason.
Under the European model, the stratification of classes is less extreme. The tops and bottoms are crunched together into a happy medium. And I say happy, but that's really a class perspective. I know Europeans who have moved to the US because they can transcend the middle classes of Europe, because they are highly skilled tech workers or entrepreneurs.
There is a certain kind of person who desires to climb way up the heiarchy, because they are extremely ambitious. This is very much the culture in the US, 'get rich or die trying". Everyone here goes through a stint of, "I'm gonna get in my grind, work super hard and become rich". Until they burn out fighting against the steep competition, which involves every other super ambitious person willing to engage in cutthroat behavior.
The contradiction is that you then have a lot of poor people who have this culture enforced upon them. In Europe, they would be middle class, but since they live in the US they are just poor. Poor people in the US would jump up a class by moving to Germany, Sweden or Norway. So, the comments are going to reflect a person's current status.
If you've "made it", why would you want to pay taxes to poor people to make them less needy? But, if you're poor and needy, why would you NOT want the taxes on rich people? In the US, there is very little middle class raining, if you look at the graph of wealth distribution, it's like an extreme exponential function.
The US plays a very dirty game, and we can see how the culture alone impacts the minds of people like Rogan, who can afford to vacation for life but still believe they can tell other people how to live. This is how the wealthy elite run this country. If you're poor, you want to live on Europe, but if you're rich you want to retire to a place where labor is cheap and people will degrade themselves for cash. And since the US has so many rich people, they like the idea of poor people being docile, even if they don't fully understand the broader ramifications.
The US cannot escape it rich vs poor dichotomy, because it's rich have gained way too much political, economic and cultural power. This is why I've come to see putting the wealthy into "chains" as a good thing. Whatever upsets them is probably good for society, because they take the inverse bet where they demand everyone else be poor and service their needs.
Being too rich is poison for society. In school I was raised to believe that having a middle class was the correct way to run a society. Now, it's entirely shifted. You're either rich or you're poor, for the most part. You're either good to go, or you're just fucking desperate. I guess my overall point is that your class position determined your perspective, and how you're going to perceive the benefits of various sociopolitical decisions.
@@MichelleHellanother fucked up thing is that while the rich avoid taxes they still write things if as business expenses and the tax payers pay those write offs.
@@MichelleHellcompletely agree
Bud joe said Germany sucks, the country that sucks isn't Germany. Joe is rich so he doesn't need it. Joe stay In your lane ufo's , leave the tough stuff , the employees are payed by government not the business owner
@@MichelleHellwhy would I want to pay for poor people? Uhm compassion? I want the government to help people who are in need. And I will happily pay my taxes so I don't see the crippling poverty in europe that I've seen in the us.
Honestly, a person saying that they think both parents having time off to care for a new born baby is 'weird' or 'excessive' really says more about them then they can imagine.
A new born human infant is a lot of work. They're one of THE most helpless creature on this planet. Just because one person CAN look after an infant, doesn't mean one person SHOULD be alone in looking after an infant.
Absolutely!
And why should a father not bond with his newborn baby as much as the person who carried the baby?
I am beyond shocked whenever I hear mothers saying that they told their husband to go back to work the day after the baby was born because, "They shouldn't have to stay home with us. It's not like they're recovering."
@@pinds83 splitting it up is the most commen whay to do it, like if you have 30 days for instance gets 15 eatch or other whays.
@@pinds83 why do you call ome parent father but the other not mother
@@pelindoganay2863 Because "father" is the only term that makes sense in this context.
pa·ter·ni·ty
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noun
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(especially in legal contexts) the state of being someone's father.
@@pinds83 why is the other not mother
Joe just explained to everyone what kind of parent and husband he is without realizing it.
Exactly what I was thinking.
And what kind of employer.
FACTSSS
Sadly the female willing to lay down with him will be the same.
@@epterror There's plenty of women that's stuck with men that they don't agree with tho, so not necessarily.
I was a single father that raised two boys and a daughter by myself for the vast majority of their lives. I never understood why people were amazed I would do that or tried to say how proud they were of me. They’re my children, of course I’m going to raise them. It’s the same mind set with paternity leave, manly men don’t do women’s work and I can’t stand it. If I could have taken leave when my kids were born to stay home with them I would have done it in a heartbeat.
Great message! Parents need to take care of their children, regardless of anyone’s gender. Parents are partners and share their talents and skills to raise children. Single parents have it rougher, but it can be done. Having communties of people who support each other are important…I hope you had some support somewhere!
I bet you got asked, "You babysitting today?" a lot
@@steveneptun7580 doesn’t that drive you absolutely insane? It’s your child: it’s not babysitting. I will say that once my last boss’s daughter got married, all of that crap went away with him. Clients, particularly older ones, who are by and large still in the 1950s mindset, still made those insipid jokes. Kids get sick, partners get sick too, and sometimes both get sick and you have to stay home to take care of a kid or both of them. It’s called being parent and a spouse.
My father was way more maternal than my mother and a better nurturer and I do believe that's just inherent all the males that in my family are way more nurturing!
Guess that all depends how you define "manly", but I get your point. I do think that attitude is changing; the men I work with want to take time off, but are limited to what the employer offers. I've listened to them strategize, and it's just said they can't be with their wives/SOs and children during this time.
As a nurse midwife, growing up and living in Sweden until late 30’s, I came over to the states with the goal of continue this path. I did not take me long to pick up on the hostile environment women has to endure, including the time of pregnancy and child birth. I got burnt out on trying to advocate and did not even want to stay in the field. I have not seen the data on postpartum depression in relation to leave, would love to see some! I love your channel, it gives me hope for the future.
What were the differences you noticed in the attitude towards mothers?
Why did you move to the USA from Sweden?
This guy seriously said that one of the most thriving economies in the EU (Germany) is going bad? I can’t believe it
He's a grifter, his entire job is lying.
Right? Shows how he actually has no idea what he’s talking about.
German-based - economy looks fine to me, even without Joe's approval :)
And feeling bad about the US govt not ensuring healthcare, parental leave, etc is up to standards.
Germans - nortoriously lazy /sarcasm
@@sydt7104 Lmao that one was funny
A father who does not want to be with his child, I would question his suitability to be a father. Parental leave is not only for the mother and the child but also for the father. Absolutely sick that you do not have parental leave in the United States. Overall, you should be able to have it so damn much better, you who are such a rich country, you let a few become completely absurdly rich, whose money if they had to pay more in taxes could benefit everyone.
I also think parental leave should be the same for all parents regardless of the sex or how the child was born, this way you avoid making hiring a man more convenient than hiring a woman because they both get the same (obviously with the mother being the meter of how long the leave should be). Also I don't understand, if the government is paying for it why are employers so fussy about it.... Just for the trouble of looking for a replacement for a few months? Confusion....
As an American, I just started realizing a few years ago how f'd up this country really is, now. I started paying more attention to this when the former Demander in Chief took office.
I think it's the Republicans who don't seem to want to make this country better because they want all the money to go to a few rich people who already have more than they need.
I am Non Partisan, but it seems pretty apparent to me that the Republicans don't REALLY care about this country anymore, only what they can get from it for themselves. 😞
They really do not care about the American people. 😢
And Joe Rogan, here's a big F YOU.
@@JediLoreen the sad thing is that I bet Joe Rogan is rich enough to take all the unpaid time off he wanted to be with a newborn child, but I don't think he would because it sounds like he loves his money more than his children
That's what pretty much institutionalized ignorance and allowing money in politics will do
(well openly allowing it, money will always find its way into politics or more specifically into politicians) and probably bcs of the first one most of you Americans won't even understand what I mean by the second one
it's all very sad really, it's like seeing someone squabbling away so much of their potential and their possibility of Actually being something great
@@Design____ByS Mind you, we have temp agencies! I used to love working as a temp, except it was low-paying and had no health benefits. The temp agency didn't know how good they had it. Anything to do with a desk, I could do.
I find it oddly heartwarming how Lauren believes Pete can single-handedly save the world and the only reason America is in flames is because he decided to spend some time with his new family.
She basically thinks we’re living in an avengers movie
They have preemie twins….I had a preemie and luckily when he was finally released from the hospital I was pretty much unemployed. Having to rely on WIC and fourteen dollars a month in food stamps was the only reason we kept our head above water.
@@marylhere The fact that you had to rely on food stamps just because you had a child is infuriating. I'm so sorry.
Well Boebert, if there's a fire and an extra bucket, how about lending a hand puttin' out that fire?
Isn't she the clown who posted the "family" picture of her and her sons with a lot of guns, people like her have absolute no business in judging other people's families
As a german citizen this is just wild to me 😅 i am currently pregnant and I will take two years maternity leave and my husband will take some time off as well. I think thats normal and should be available everywhere 😊
Wtf 2 years 3 months or 6 months understandable but 2 yrs it's pure wastage of taxpayers money
@@veerswami7175 there is NO taxpayers Money 🙃 i will be home with 65% pay for 8 weeks after birth, and then we are on our own. Everybody can do what they see fit, but I dont have a child to be working after 6 months and leave it with strangers🤷♀️
@@veerswami7175 You mean the money that she and her husband paid into the system for many years already and in which she will pay into after her leave for decades?
@@veerswami7175you are a perfect example of a modern slave, always worry about the master.
@@veerswami7175typical 🙄 American answer
I live in Norway.
When i was pregnant and i got pregnancy leave( 100% pay like you would be working, completely free Healthcare, great treatment) , later i switch into mama leave, and I stay home with my baby for almost a year, and my husband gets 3 months after me to take care for baby ( than kindergarten).
Also we get a lot of special days for our families.
Family goes first and that's a clear and obvious thing here.. Should be everywhere really.
Happy baby, happy parents, gives happy society.
Well said.
I am happy that at least your country got that right. :)
I wanted to move to Norway already, but this just solidified it.
Here in Russia one can have parental leave up to 3 years, although only part of that is paid, and pay is not big, but there is a guarantee that an employer cannot fire a person on parental leave. If someone doesn't want to take 3 years, they may return to work earlier, for example my mom took only a year
Evangelical Christians and Conservatives in the United States would call that communism and an assault on family values. I’m literally not joking.
That’s what wrong with America. Since 1970 there has been breakdown in families. I salute any country that realizes family is everything if you want a healthy society.
People often forget that opinions that are seen as "liberal" in the US are often more conservative in other countries. Other countries are literally so far ahead that it's kind of absurd the attitude some people have. There's literally no excuse not to have paid parental leave. None.
our overton window is so far to the right that anything remotely helpful to people is seen as communism....
Honestly, this isn't even a conservative vs liberal thing. I think it's common people against stupid politicians. Any person that I have ever talked to about the fact that my husband's employer asked him to come in to work the day our twins were borns because my mom was in town for 2 weeks to help know that that is ridiculous. He wasn't asking them to pay him, though we did need the money, the time off was more important. Then a few weeks later I called him asking him to come home because I felt sick and one of his supervisors flipped out and tried to get him fired for going home to help me because it was unplanned sick time. How do you plan a sick day?! Anyways, everyone with any common sense knows both parents need parental leave. Politicians are just stupid or rich enough to be able to oat people to raise their children. Sorry, I'd rather raise my own children, that's why I had them. So I'm just gonna be broke until my kids are old enough that I can figure out how to make money alongside my husband. Most of the people I know are conservative.
Edit: luckily my husband's current boss is a good guy. Still a small business so he can't afford to pay us for time off, but when my morning sickness was really bad the other week I asked my husband to come home early and his boss called him to make sure everything was okay. Such a nice change from last time.
@@ThatOneLadyOverHere That's great that he has a good boss now. The old boss is a good example of why so many are quitting jobs these days.
19:34 "Most people, when this happens, if they make enough money, the wife will not work and the father will work, and then the wife take care of the child, and this is normal" -> Hm OK 19th century
@@ThatOneLadyOverHere aw I cried at the last part after reading the rest. Crazy how basic human decency is such a big deal. But it is. And I’m so happy for you guys
Me as a Dutchie, could never even imagine shaming a parent for taking parental leave… WHAT IS WRONG WITH SOME PEOPLE?!?
Conservative people and politicians in the U.S think that any program that helps people, especially children is seen as socialism or communism because they are suspicious about it.
We're talking about people who think women can "hold in" a period like when you hold your bladder. It's alot wrong in America
I agree. The U.S. has a strange outlook on parenting.
Well, in Germany some „conservatives“ still think paid paternal leave is wrong and show their „appreciation“ when they are your boss. But most people here would agree with you.
Parental leave (especially paid) is one of the greatest achievements in a modern society I can think of. It shows that your society actually values children and parents and doesn’t just say they do.
Please know most US people hate Lauren Boebert and the people like this
I had my youngest March 19, 2020 and it was extremely scary in the hospital at the beginning of a pandemic but when we got home it was a magical time for our family! I will never forget it! I am so sorry to all the families that lost loved ones and I’m not happy Covid happened but I am forever grateful for the time our family got together. My husband was home with us for almost 4 months and he has this incredibly strong deep bond w our daughter. He got to do skin to skin, help me get through my postpartum and got to see some of her firsts. We were in our own bubble and I can’t explain how much that time meant to us. It’s truly truly sad it took a whole pandemic for us to have that experience. I never thought about paternity leave or it’s importance before this but I truly believe it’s just as important as maternity leave. ❤
You guys criminalize abortion and then don't give parental leave. What's the point of being a developed country then?
PREACH
We are not a developed country, unfortunately. We are a scared racist country… meaning that if we provide paid leave that it would be for everyone including black and brown people. Some of the white people in the United States cannot bear to see black and brown people treated as humans with rights. So they would rather go without before seeing a black or brown person gets the same treatment.
We’re NOT 😂 America claims “the best” but really they’re wearing a fake Gucci belt
A number of people also don't like women working outside the home but refuse to support a livable wage for parents trying to support their family on a single income
We the Americans don't get it either 🙃🥴
I'm from Bulgaria, we're the poorest country in the EU, basically, and even here you get 2 years of paid maternity leave and 15 days of paid paternity leave, the concept of not having that at all is absolutely insane to me!
Does this apply to all businesses, regardless of their size?
@@sabeanah2560 yes
Schrödinger's USA- simultaneously the strongest, richest, best country in the world, and also too poor to provide their citizens with realistic maternity leave, let alone paternity leave, which pretty much every country everywhere else manages just fine. It's a true fundamental Christian miracle I suppose.
@@sabeanah2560 you still do not understand how paid maternity leave works :) it is not the employer who pays, it is the State/budget
@babazalya In Australia some employers pay but you can get parental subsidies until the kid turns 5 (or starts school).
As an Australian, It's so bizarre to me how the US doesn't have paid both maternal and paternal leave. Yet American seem to think they are the elite country in the world. Australia has paid paternal leave for 18 weeks for both biological and adopted children
Edit: sorry for the misinformation, as I don't have any kids yet I wasnt aware that the 18 weeks paid paternity leave is on-top of what your employer provides for you. Thank you to the lovely commenter for correcting me.
The smart ones of us know we’re not all that. I don’t even consider us elite. Especially not after what the last potus did.
@@mindyschocolate I'm sorry for generalising, of course not all Americans but unfortunately the loudest and most obnoxious ones are those that give America a bad image
yeah...they really start the "greatest country in the world" propaganda before we can even talk...
Bizarre to me as well as a South African. Why is it even a discussion
Those of us who travel know better, but many people are so ignorant that they believe this and will instantly say if you don’t like it leave *as if* it’s that easy to move to a better country. I would be out the door if I could get a Visa that easily.
I am from India, we get 6 months of fully paid maternity leave. For fathers there are no specific paid leaves, but many companies will allow them to take some time off. Here most of the post birth support is provided by the extended families, so fathers can usually go back to work sooner. For adoption also we get fully paid leaves.
It's just bonkers; this pretending by politicians to care about children (being born) and then be so vehemently against caring for them once they are here. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Yup, exactly. Pro-fetus, but not pro-child or pro-family. Family values a thing or not? Which is it?
They're not even pro-fetus. They just want to control and impart their values on others. It's only about control.
right bc theyre pro choice until the baby is actually born
As the great George Carlin stated. Politicians care about you before you're born. Once you're out and breathing you're screwed until you're old enough to fight in the military
That’s what gets me is they claim to be pro-family values, but yet they vote against EVERY. SINGLE. PIECE of legislation that would help American families.
Life is inherently political because everything revolves around POLICY. People are so confident in their wrongness; it’s infuriating.
Thank you! I never know the words to counteract that statement.
Everything revolves around policy with human society because we built societies. Humanity is not the only life on this planet. Am I wrong for not wanting to support global overpopulation? I don’t think this issue is all that black and white.
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Jess! I didn't know you watched this channel, small world. 🤣 jk, I think you are the reason I started watching her videos tbh.
It shocks me that parental leave still isn’t available in the US. It’s so damaging for children. I’m from the UK, I had attachment issues growing up because my mum went back to work so quickly after giving birth to me and paternity leave was not a thing at the time. There are several studies that look at the impact on children’s mental health if they do not have required time to bond with a parental figure and the effects last years into the future.
Most of the US.
Some states and DC do have paid parental/family leave.
New York’s paid family leave is only 12 weeks, but it isn’t just for parents (other family members can take leave and it can also be used for caring for sick family members) and it also applies for part time employees (which FMLA doesn’t cover part time employees).
You had attachment issues cause your mom went to work when you were a baby? What? Y’all people need serious mental health help! Not cause mommy worked tho!
Maternal leave tends to get most of the attention when it comes to parental leave. Paternal leave tends to get demonized as if work is supposed to take precedence or that being a provider takes precedence over being an available father
@@That_Brett_Guy Yeah, I'm gonna need you to educate yourself.
@@nananinanana656 naw…. Your guys issues might rub off on me
I recently heard a story about a father who was forced to go back to work instead of staying to care for his epileptic infant because he’d used all of his vacation days a few months ago to help support his wife through her labor and the first couple weeks with the baby.
Paid parental leave deserves to be extended to fathers and non-pregnant partners, too. It’s not a vacation, it’s a necessity.
in Spain, each parent has 16 weeks of parental leave (32 weeks in total), which are paid 100% and without taxes (so you're given more money those months). In addition, until the baby is none months old, you have 1 hour a day, which is called "feeding hour" and is for both the biological mother and the other parent (the father of the relationship is heterosexual). This hour can be "accumulated" in two more weeks of paid parental leave.
Usually, both the biological mother and the other parent take the first six weeks together (for the mother to recover well postpartum), then the mother stays with the baby for the next 12 weeks (rest of maternity leave + feeding), and then she comes back to work and the other parent takes care of the baby until he/she is 9 months old.
It is also illegal to get fired during pregnancy and until a year after your parental leave.
Regarding unpaid leave, there is also a three year unpaid leave for both parents (your job is protected) and you can also reduce your working hours (up to 50%) and your employer cannot refuse.
In addition, kindergartens are public and their price depends on your income.
They also need to separate paid leave so we are not using out "vacation time" to recover from some illness or sickness that's got us bedridden. Idk ya'll but laying in bed throwing up or going in and out of sleep isn't a fun vacation for me lol.
lol.. Nobody is forced to work... they can always quit and leave
@@Manikanta-hh7wp oh course, because money is not necessary to live. They can choose to be with their children and without anything to eat, for example
@@Manikanta-hh7wp Yeah I’m sure that quitting and cutting off your source of income works real well when you’re facing massive medical bills on top of your usual living expenses. Perfect time to be out of a job.
As a German, I literally can’t imagine not staying at home with my baby for the first year (or longer) of it’s life. I feel really bad for all American moms who have to spend that precious time away from their child and probably can’t breastfeed them full-time.
I also couldn’t imagine not having my partner be at home with me to take care of his (!) child. It’s pretty insulting how Joe pretended like dads never take care of their babies, but are more “inferior” parents or sth.
Shout out to all American parents who make that work somehow. I don’t know how you do it.
PS: My boy Joe clearly doesn’t know anything about Germany lmao. The economy is fine, the people are fine (apart from the GLOBAL pandemic); it’s a pretty chill country to live and work in.
In the US, mom's usually take the burden of caring for the baby. Many have to cut back to part time, quit their job or rely on family members.
Daycare usually is too $$ to afford.
Yeah our country sucks. It's not as great as many want to pretend it is
My husband and I want to move to Germany. This just makes me more adamant about it 😅
@@blablubb3479 as a Finnish mom of soon two kids, I second this. Hospital stay is not expensive in Finland either. 😅
@@blablubb3479 . We couldn't afford to lose and income and even if I got paid then turn into leave 10,000 help take care of the kid for the next 18 years and honestly neither of us make enough money on our own to be able to afford a one income household with kids. We don't want to put all of our money into kids because that'll leave us being pretty miserable. Money is Joe I could actually afford to have kids but we can't and that makes us really not want them
It’s very sad that joe cares more about capitalism and the economy than people’s health and well-being.
A true American man
Yo Joe, no one can work or buy anything in your capitalist dystopia if we all fucking die from lack of medical care.
The current supply chain crisis impacts the health and well-being of a significant amount of people in this country.
Capitalism and maternity/paternity leave are not inherently at odds. There are many conservatives who support both (such as myself) on conservative grounds. Just throwing that out there. It's as frustrating for me to hear this nonsense as it probably is for you.
Did you know that untill 2014 Disney Land minimum wage shifted 8 to 10 dollars. I also have a vague recall about worker protest when Disney Land decided to cancel their workers health insurance, when worker wage was like 7 dollar.
Now Disney been making hundreds of millions dollar purchase left and right. Capitalism at it's finest right?
I'm a university student in Denmark and I'm gonna go on maternity leave later this year, and as such I am getting 52 weeks of additional government subsidies. My husband, who is self employed, will get 36 weeks of paid paternity leave. After my maternity leave, I'll be able to pick up my studies where I left off 🙏 We're looking forward to spending time with our newborn and getting to know him and make sure he gets the best start to his new life ❤️
This makes me want to cry in American patriot bald eagle tears. 😅
194 countries: "Fathers should care about their children"
Joe Rogan: "Why would fathers care about their children?"
Sad really. Joe grew up without a father figure, I guess. To the point where even having a dad who loves him is a strange concept to him.
Well why would his mother care about him then?
His dad probably thought him that.
Tbh I don't know much about Rogan's life growing up (I lost interest in his podcast a couple of years ago; before that I was just a casual listener when he had an interesting guest so the conversation wouldn't center around him)...but I do know about his life now, which is that of a very privileged celebrity who absolutely can and does take whatever time-off he can for whatever reason, like having a kid. What I find grating is that he's attempting to speak for the rest of us with bosses and 9-to-5 jobs, something which hasn't been his life for a while.
@@SweetJeopardy Plus, he has three daughters; daughters who need their father.
@@-._.-KRiS-._.- and I bet he takes all the quality time he needs or wants to be with them daily, or take 'em on a months-long vacation without having to worry about losing his job or a pay cut. He has the privilege of not missing any of their events, sports matches, graduations, school shows, etc yet thinks the rest of us should.
As a woman, I see paternity leave as a way to bond with the baby, the mother and adjusting to the new life. But also very importantly, as a help to the mother. If you're tired due to stressed of giving birth, sleepless nights, maybe even postpartum depression, you have someone at your side who can notice this and help you or get you help. Just because the dad doesn't give birth or breastfeed doesn't mean he's not an important part of the family! Paternity leave is equally beneficial to both parents.
Yes! Recovering from birth can take up to 12 weeks! I'm due in February and I keep joking that I'm the baby's primary care giver and my husband will be my primary care giver.
P.S. because sadly it's relevant, I'm in Australia so my husband gets paid leave from his work as the non birthing partner.
I used to teach Dad's Boot Camp at baby class, and one thing I'd always point out: you hear those stories of women who have been in labor for 30 hours (see Rita Rudner). Just remember, after going though labor for 30 hours, the result is now there is a baby to take care of! So it's not over after 30 hours of labor (which is work, right? That's why it's called "labor"), it's just beginning. And there is no time to recover.
You darn right mom is going to need a lot of help. How long does it take to recover from 30 hours of labor if you have to wake up every 3 hours to breastfeed? This is going to take weeks, even with someone there to help.
I got up all the time with my wife to do everything I could so she didn't have to. She needed to recover.
By the way, I should add, you don't even need an exhausted mom to justify paternity leave. "To help take care of your baby" is more than enough justification. I'm a father, I have a responsibility. As MDJ notes, it benefits society when the baby is taken care of.
@@flowingafterglow629 Definitely! I should also add that I am so excited to have my husband be able to spend time with our kiddo and bond with them, not just to support me in my recovery. And I know he is too.
@@misssweetnothings5094 I loved taking care of the kids when they were babies!
The one thing to always remember: the key to parenting is not to think alike, but to think together.
My wife and I had very different approaches when it came to caring for the kids. We tried to keep the same schedule as well as we could, but we did a lot of things differently. And that's ok. She had her way, and I had my way. But we had the same goal, and it worked.
The second thing to remember (this from Amy Tutuer): Don't sweat the small stuff. And most of it is small stuff.
Enjoy the ride!
There's a tiktok meme about all the "pandemic babies" in the USA learning to move and talk faster than earlier children. It's almost like spending time with your children in a 1:1 ratio is more beneficial than a 1:8 ratio they have in daycare 🤦♀️.
I'm lucky to be in Sweden, where my partner stayed with our baby for 6 weeks, and is still working 3 days a week with the rest paid by the social benefits
Exactly right. They develop so much better when home with family and get individual attention...even more than 1:1..they often had a house of people in quarantine to give that baby attention anytime baby was awake. And it did wonders for development. If only the babies could get that kind of attention for 3 years. I swear you'd see a drop in ADHD and all these other strange diagnoses and behavior issues you keep saying in school age children.
@@HadassaMoon144 For the first year I am totally on you side! For the first 3 year not so much. In Germany, exspecially in the former DDR-states it is pretty common to give you child into day care when they are around 1 year old ( like 1 to 1,5 years). For most of the children it is beneficiall to spend a lot of time with other children and you as parent have to that you need like 6 , 7-9 or (sadly) more then 9 hours daycare for your child. I think what is most important for the development of a child is the way/intensity the time is spend with that child.
What is most insane for me, as an European, that in America there is no time for the mother to recover! We have courses where you learn which exercises you should do dayly to recover the best from your pregnancy and the brith etc. It must be utterly stressful to not have that, exspecially if something goes wrong. E.g. it took me allmost 6 weeks to have a walk for an hour because my blood pressure was so low after my c-section. Thankfully my husband was this whole time (8 weeks in total) at home to take are of our baby an me. That helped enormously!
@@HadassaMoon144 I stayed at home with my kids and two of them are are the autism spectrum. I believe by being at home & noticing their differences I could get them the early intervention that made all the difference in helping them develop.
@@HadassaMoon144 I was gonna agree with you, but ADHD and other neurodiverse conditions aren't "strange diagnoses" and they don't just stop occurring because kids have more support.
@@Nephlita There's a quote from "Pushed" by Jennifer Block (published 2007, so somewhat outdated by now). Women were talking about their post-natal care, or lack thereof. One of them said "They send you home with a 7-pound baby and tell you not to lift anything heavy" pretty much sums up their attitude - figure it out yourself.
You know how people are like, "Why are people waiting longer and longer till they're way older to have kids?!" This is yet another reason why. We have to wait until we have a job stable enough that pays us enough to be able to afford to take unpaid time off in order to stay at home with a baby if they don't offer paid parental leave.
My planned baby daddy works from home and he'll be able to take care of the baby when I go back to work afterward, because once my maternity leave is up (and I still don't know how long that is, I have to investigate), we can't afford for me to take FMLA (which is unpaid for those who don't know) because while we make enough together to support ourselves no problem, a child will mean a lot more expenses and he can't afford it on his salary alone. I won't be able to be a stay at home mom for any amount of time because we need my income to pay for children. The older I get, the more I want to be a stay at home mom at least until my kids are school age, but the more I know that I will never be able to afford to do that.
Ok, tradwife!
@@silverstarlight9395 you can want to be a stay at home mom without being a trad wife. I love video games, I enjoy cosplay, I am the only person in my friend group that even wants kids. But I hate the idea of being under someone else's control, I despise cooking, I clean only when I can't take it anymore, and I definitely don't follow the standard religious values.
I'm not wanting to stay at home forever, I'd get bored. But it would be nice if I could stay home to raise my kids till they're old enough for preschool and then proper school. I don't think it's that big of a request to give us the necessary time and financial support to let that be common.
What is wrong with being a trad wife if that's what a person wants? Sounds like something someone would say who is proud of being none judgmental but doesn't see how freaking judgemental they really are.
@@Kra-ri6fd I didn't mean to imply that being a trad wife is a bad thing. It's just not what I want, and I wanted to point out that being a stay at home mom does not necessarily equal being a trad wife. I honestly have nothing against trad wives as long as I'm not forced to be one.
@@roselover411 My response was really towards the one who "called you out" for "being" a trad wife. That was pretty rude of them. I am an ex Navy sailor female. Raised two boys as mostly a single mom (now 16 and 18 years old). I missed most of their upbringing while struggling to take any extra hour I could at work (civilian job) and to keep a roof over our heads. I now have the pleasure of being married again and am pregnant with a little girl due this week. I am so freaking excited to be a "trad wife" this time around because it's a privilege I couldn't afford the first time around. I feel I missed so much of my children's lives just trying to survive. They turned out to be great men but I missed it...well, I feel I did. I mean kids are only kids once! You can't get that time back. But I've encountered the trad wife bashing and find it really pretty uneducated. Children have a huge advantage if one parent is able to stay at home with them their whole lives. That's not to shame anyone who can't do so. Like I said, I've been there. But those who bash it really need to question if they really are open to others follow their hearts in how to live their lives. To each their own, you know? Anyway, sorry. I'm not bashing you. That comment was just an uncalled for response to your comment IMO.
About the small business thing - I'm french, and I know someone who's a farmer. For parental leave, he was sent an employee to do farm work in his stead, for nearly a month. Like, it's possible to set up systems to take care of people, even in situations that americans think are impossible. Plus, as someone who's recently graduated, replacing someone on maternity leave for a few months is a lot of my peers first work experiences. That's just really great for everyone.
It would definitely be better than an unpaid internship, which is usually what graduates here in the States get, because they "get paid in experience." 🙄
Wow I had never heard that possibility...I am a self employed in Mauritius and as all self employed, no paid leave whatsoever- no sick leave, no maternity leave..
@@vp5134 Wow I haven't thought of how self-employed persons would be able to get maternity leave! I'm assuming that you'd have to apply for the same assistance to get some help, but what do you do if you're the business?? That's rough :(
that's pretty awesome! :)
I love that
"In America, we have to work."
The US is the 10th "hardest working" country on Earth meaning that 9 countries work more hours on average according to the OECD.
Mexico (my country of origin) sits at #1 and they offer six weeks of paid maternity leave and five days of paid paternity leave (which is still not enough but I digress) paid for by social security.
The myth that Americans are somehow more "hard working" than other nations is a lie and an excuse for politicians to cut benefits and to make workers feel bad for asking for the bare essentials that every human should be entitled to.
Conservatives really believe that the US in #1 in the world in everything, and I think us being the most "hardworking" just helps them feel better about themselves and being patriotic to their great country.
THISSS!!
Honestly outrageous. I have lost all respect for joe rogan. He now will be known as a complete knob in my opinion.
@@jennyli7749 I never had any respect for Joe Rogan lol...
From the US here, when I was in middle school I had a male teacher who took paternity leave. He would come in once a week to teach us and then for the rest of the week we had a sub. I though it was so cool that he was doing this, my thoughts were "Wow what a caring loving person who want to spend time with his family and make sure his wife is ok"
And I'm sure that also set a wonderful example of what a good man should be to a lot of the boys in his class too. Which is so, so, so important at that age. But also to the girls on how they SHOULD be treated.
Part of the reason I took so long to watch this was that people like Lauren and Joe just make my anxiety go up by simply listening to their stupidity/malice.. Even watching it now, I’m taking breaks to relax every few minutes because it’s a lot! I really appreciate you making this video and explaining the medical side of things.
Girl, same! I'm a reasonably relaxed and happy person, but as soon as I hear any of these far right people speak I become so irritated and angry at how awful they are. 😣
I used to listen to this garbage when I was in my early 20s. I don't know what was wrong with me. Probably thought I was edgy or something.
@@mantrajojo4163 this might be garbage but your advantage is that you KNOW what they're saying and what people who listen to them hear, you're not totally disconnected from the group. as much as it can hurt mentally, everyone should dab a bit into all political spheres just to get a good grasp of their rhetorics and be aware of what other people think/believe in
Incoming facts from Germany:
We do have two different systems for maternity leave.
Six weeks prior to the estimated birthdate and eight weeks after the actual birth there is what we call Mutterschutz (Protection of Mothers). In this time period it is forbidden to work. This is, partly, to keep employers from pressuring women to work earlier. The salary is paid by the employer, and the Health insurance reimburses the cost. In case of twins, triplets or premature birth the time period after birth can be prolonged to 12 weeks.
After the Mutterschutz and for fathers, there is the concept of Elternzeit, which more closely translates to parental leave. This is optional, and paid directly by the government. Employers have to save the job for later return of the parent. There are even part time models, where you can work for half a day and prolong the duration of the Elternzeit.
I live in America and had my baby about 2 years ago and let me tell you I was not fully healed from the birth 6 weeks after. Thankfully I was able to do a 12 week UNPAID leave. Yes it was hard and money was extremely tight but there’s just no way you can go back to work after literally tearing apart to deliver a child and that’s what they expect here if you don’t want to be homeless. I only pulled through because I had the support of my family.
I can add to this that if the workplace is not safe during pregnancy or breastfeeding women a be forbidden to continue working there and continue getting their full salary (reimbursed by heath insurance) if necessary as early as the pregnancy is known. Same applies in chase of complications during pregnancy that make it impossible to continue working.
During parental leave parents get 2/3 of their previous income for 14 months, but one person can only take up to 12 months so fathers are incentivised to take some time off as well.
Sry but you messed up "elternzeit" (parental leave) and "elterngeld" (parental money)
"Elternzeit" is the time your employer has to save your job for you. That is up to 3 years per parent anf per child. That is unpaid.
If you are on "elternzeit" you can recive "elterngeld" that is 66% of your income and is paid for up to 14 month. You can split those with your partner as you please. Restrictions beeing that you "only" can take 12 month max. And need to take at least 2 to be able to recive it. And you can split it so you can get 33% for 24 month.
@@rabeaw6646 almost ^^
the first 2 months of Elternzeit can´t be split in half for the person who gave birth
so the longest that parent can take is 22 months with pay
but you can take more time without pay
thank you for this!
When Joe said that "we are not in Europe, we are in America, this is better" I spit out my coffee.
Lol. Literally, nobody thinks that.
Can't agree more lol
Joe Rogan is a complete idiot. He just doesn't want to learn by example because he thinks it shows weakness somehow. It's really incredible how stupid a person can be while thinking that they're clever. The guy takes steroids in his 50s; he puts his own life in danger ignoring what middle-age steroidal use does to the heart. The only thing really incredible about the man is how incredibly fragile his ego is.
Right?! He’s clearly never lived in Europe where the lifestyle is so much better than the US!
LOL! I guess it depends on what is important to you. I have many friends from other countries and have talked with different clients of mine who would never go back to Europe or their home country. I love America and do believe it’s the best. Definitely not perfect but I love being free
No. Nobody does think that. America looks so good in the media. Then I did a road trip and saw all the poverty there and learnt that the poor are very poor and the rich are very rich.
Joe would be the kind of father who's proud of never having changed a diaper in his life.
Yeah he's probably never had to do that kind of thing because that's his wife's job 👏👏👏
Totally agree.
In my opinion joe rogan is a complete knob. His comments are so outrageous. I’m just so shocked .
@@jennyli7749 I'm not shocked because I never had any respect for him in the first place.
He basically just admitted that he's nothing but a sperm donor
I have to say I am highly grateful to live in Washington state. Which I honestly NEVER thought I would say until this year when my husband and I welcomed our very first little one into our family. If you’ve worked in the state for more then 820 hours you are eligible to get 12 weeks paid parental leave at 90% of what you were making prior.
My cousin had her baby 2 weeks before me and lives in Oregon and they have absolutely no paid parental leave, she had to work up to the day of having her baby. She works 12 hour standing shifts as a security guard. And she had to go back to work almost instantly after having her baby. She was severely injured giving birth to her son and I just can’t imagine having to do what she is having to do. It breaks my heart that our country doesn’t take more consideration for new parents
When did that start? I had four babies in Washington state and never saw a cent of paid leave. I had to go back to work within a couple weeks of giving birth because we couldn't afford otherwise. It's ridiculous.
@@beckaandkids the bill went into vote in 2019 and got approved in either 2020 or 2021
I had my kids in Washington State and would have loved paid parental leave. I'm glad it's available for parents now.
The US has spent so long kneecapping its own government that many people cannot fathom social policy like this. Rogan really acted like parental leave was coming from his own bank account. He talks like a man who has never changed a diaper in his life (and that is an insult to any real man). Medical recovery and a birthing partner aside, taking care of a newborn is a full time job. You can't put the baby on snooze while you do your american duty of suffering at work on no sleep.
My husband and I had our firstborn during our last semester of university; he graduated on time and I took a lighter course load and finished 8 weeks later after summer classes.
When summer classes started, our baby was 2 months old. I went back to my federal job for my 20 hour week. My husband *lost* his job (for dumb reasons that eventually lead to unemployment). He couldn't find another quickly as we already knew we were moving for his career the day my classes finished.
So he did all the housework and nearly all of the childcare while his wife worked and took advanced math classes. He held me as I cried because it was so hard and I was so tired. He was PROUD to be a stay-at-home dad and house husband. He was proud of me for juggling what was unfortunately needed. Diapers were just part of the responsibility of having a baby.
Three kids later and he's still that way. Thank goodness, because I couldn't stay married to someone like Rogan.
This really hits home. Three children and I never had paid parental leave. It was hard. I worked as a nurse literally up to the day of birth and then I was back to work as soon as I could, which was six weeks maximum. Those six weeks were mentally and emotionally painful. My husband and I had to worry about finances while I went without pay, but I also only had six weeks to physically recover and learn how to be a mom to my new baby. It made what should have been a wonderful time, very stressful. I’ll never get that time back, but I can only hope that we get it right in the future for others.
I’m so sorry you had to go through that :( so sad, but yes, let’s hope for better future. There are some good businesses that offer some paid maternity leave - hats off to them
How is it the employers problem that you decided to have a kid? Should have done your research before hand.
@@drakecarter1780 it’s not about her doing any research, she just said what it was like for her personally. It is a huge problem to take a mother from a little baby. First 4 years of a child are crucial in its psychological development so the more time the baby has with family, the better. When there is a problem, it should be fixed, not keep to the status quo at all costs. Just because America is an average country now in many aspects doesn’t mean it shouldn’t try to become better. And btw, in Europe, this leave is not paid fully by the employer but also by the state because you pay taxes so in Europe you get at least some benefits. (If you weren’t employed before - didn’t contribute with taxes - you won’t have the same benefits) Happy and rested employees are more effective, soooo ... that’s all I’m gonna say. Do some more research into this and you will change your opinion pretty fast 😆
@@lenkajf7816 the US cannot afford to spend additional money on something so trivial. You want to have a kid? Then make sure you are financially stable to do so before hand. That is not the employer problem, it's wrong to overwork the staff that the new parent works at because they will be absent long term and possibly not come back at all. The employer owes you NOTHING in this regard. More entitlement. Happier employees? Who? The one new parent? What about the rest of the team? Doesn't matter I guess.
@@drakecarter1780 I wonder how come it works in so many countries then .... if you didn’t pay taxes, then ok, don’t demand anything, but you do, so .... and all those other employees will have children themselves at some point, so all people benefit. I feel sorry for mothers who go to work while paying 70% of the pay for childcare. Again, just because your system is broken, doesn’t mean it can’t be fixed. Make America great 😂 😛 😆
The “This is America this is better” argument from Joe made me cringe and laugh at the same time. As someone from Europe I want to tell him he is wrong.
In the Netherlands we just recently got paid parental leave and it works beter for everyone. Man are really important when it comes to creating a stable, loved and safe environment. And let’s not forget that those children are the future of your country. So give those fathers time to grow into the best support system ever.
Gekoloniseerd!!
Also Europen here, from Croatia 🙋♀️ You are talking about paid leave for fathers which is rather new also in Europe, but the way I understood is that in the US women also don't get paid leave which is unimaginable in European countries. Blows my mind 🤯
@@anikakozica6306 You are correct. Women in the US do not get paid maternity leave from her government at all. A small percentage of US women do get some paid maternity leave but only if their employer provides it or they pay for short term disability insurance on their own to cover a percentage of their income while they’re off. If you are a full time employee and work for an employer with at least 50 employees, you qualify for family medical leave of absence so that you don’t lose your job while you’re off for a few weeks giving birth but it is not paid by anyone. Not the government nor the employer. It’s incredibly frustrating. I got 60% of my pay for 6 weeks when I gave birth in 2017 because I paid for a short term disability insurance policy. Then I also had to pay $10,000 out of pocket for the birth AFTER my private paid insurance paid their part 😑
There are plenty of good things about the US, but there also tons of good things about other countries. Americans are so overwhelmed by "America is the best!!!" messaging that some can't understand why anyone would choose to live differently or elsewhere.
@@Jasmine01Nicole oh my God....10 000 USD just to give birth even if you have private health insurance? that blows my mind..
I just recently left a job where they would make horrible comments about one of the guys taking off when his wife gave birth, they also questioned when she went into labor if she was actually in labor. I am happy to have left such a horrible place. Currently I work for a big company and if I decide to have a child I will be able to take maternity leave, my fiancé works for an even larger company and they offer paternity leave, he also has the ability to work from home so even after his leave ends he could be home if he wanted to. Why is this country so backwards.
As a dad who raised many children, Joe is off his rocker. It's a lot of work taking care of a child. Not only that she needs to recover from the birth. Letting her get rest is one of the best things you can do. Joe is getting farther and farther to the right. The right can say literally anything and their supporters lap it up.
Also my mind went to the cases of single dads... what if something happens to the mother and dad has to take care of the baby. If men cant get leave then it leaves any men in that situation in an impossible situation. Or what aboutnif the mother gets severe post natal mental health issues and needs her husband around to not only help with the baby but also help her be stable.
@@Alice-si8uzRight? And Mom might not even know if she's acting mentally unstable and needs help. Mom's physical and mental health needs to be observed too.
@@Alice-si8uzgiven our horrible maternal mortality rate... spot on
@@Alice-si8uzmost of these people can’t even imagine a dad being as involved in their children’s lives as a mom.
Rogan isn't one of the first stops on the alt-right radicalisation pipeline for nothing.
As an American, I want the rest of the world to know that there are a lot of us who support paid parental leave, and universal Healthcare, and so many other things, and it's so frustrating that these assholes are the loudest voices, and they're making ALL the decisions. I'm sickened and terrified at the state of my own country, the supposed "greatest nation in the world". I would love to be able to leave, and go to a place that values human life, but circumstance keeps me here.
Right- "Just go live in Germany." I know someone who has. I also have a German friend and damned I would go join him if I could.
@@pixelgirl843 I recall a story I heard of someone actually moving to Germany (I think) from the USA. They loved it, and never want to live in the USA again...
Joe going on saying JuSt MovE tO gERManY like it's a shithole and America is awesome... saying falsehoods like facts. What an asshole.
Me too, Sarah, me too.
I'm so happy not to be an American or live in the US. I get horrified every time I hear about the living conditions in your country. Hope Things get better someday. But yes sadly people like him are the ones who shout the loudest.
So I guess by “value human life” you mean that they give you a bunch of “free” stuff? 🙄
It wasn’t mentioned much, but I’d like to point out that Rogan’s insane argument just automatically assumes that every child is born into a two parent household. However, he hasn’t ever let reality or a lack of knowledge on the subject matter get in the way when he speaks.
And assumes no complications that would make recovery and caring for a child even harder.
Does it matter not like Joe Rogan's fans take his word like the gospel and know he has lack of knowledge therefore they should find qualified personal to speak on these issues right?
I’m pretty sure what he said was if you are a man in that two-parent household you are looked down on for wanting to stay home with your newborn... which is true for most in the US. I do not get where you get that he assumed every child is born into a two-parent household. He is saying how the United States generally views paid parental leave. Not saying that it is right or wrong but that is our society.
@@nikkyk.k1705 He did argue that as well. My opinion is that it’s not okay to look down on men (single or in a relationship) for taking paternity leave, but that stems from a culture of toxic masculinity (the current embodiment of which is Hawley).
But he also talked about how in heterosexual couples, only one needs to stay home (the woman, in his mind).
It’s possible I missed it, but I don’t think he mentioned single parent households at all.
And because in this little abstract that Dr. Jones decided to use in her video, he didn’t explicitly talk about others (because their situation didn’t apply at the current moment in the conversation) he must assume all children are only born to two-person households? His show can last hours, he could’ve mentioned it in a different part of that show that we didn’t see because it was not relevant to what Dr. Jones wanted to say in her video. You are making assumptions about him (saying he doesn’t let reality or lack of knowledge stop him when he speaks) based on a snippet that was cherry-picked by Dr. Jones to make her point. I agree with you that it is not okay to look down on men for taking paternity leave and I don’t think he was necessarily against it because he said “what are you talking about” like he’d give an opening to have the conversation for it. I think he was merely saying that generally, most people in this society do not understand the concept. If you frame it in a way to say it is beneficial to child development that fathers take paternity leave, he’d probably be all for it. Joe Rogan is actually very involved in raising his daughter (I think he just has the one kid but I don’t know) and commonly recognizes that coupling up is important to humans on his show. But I think it is very much a part of his image that men’s and women's roles are separate and men should be protectors and providers while women handle the nurturing which plays into the maternity leave vs paternity leave issue. To him the idea is we couple up because someone has gotta be the protector and provider and people have to work to make that happen. And it is well known that single parents don’t seem to provide as well as two-parent couples do, which might just be part of our misogynistic society.
Thank you for this. As an adopted person I have heard that my mom didn't need maternity leave cause she wasn't breastfeeding. This is beyond insulting especially since the mid 60's did not feel the same about breastfeeding as we do now
Thats so goofy, like she needed time to bond with the brand new child also. The US pretty much sucks for the citizenry, unless they're already wealthy
A lot of people in the USA do not seem to realize how bad things are in your country. Honestly, you could pay me to live over there, I would not do it. Your health care system, your education system, your legal system, your media, your politics... everything is so messed up. Not that everything is perfect in Europe or Germany. But damn, whenever I feel depressed about flaws in our systems, I look at the US and think: Well at least it's not that bad. When I'm sick, I stay home (with full pay and no worries to get fired), I go to the doctor or the hospital, if I need to and not if my wallet allows it. If I'm having a child, my partner and me are supported in many ways (maternity leave, parental leave, parental pay...), cause it just makes sense as it is better for everyone (families, society, economy, the health care system...look at the freaking research). And btw., there is still much room for improvement and people here are fighting to improve these systems even further. And our economy is quite well (except for the pandemic thing). Also also, all these arguments that this or that measure could "hurt" the economy... you do realize, that the economy should serve the people, not the other way round. What good is a "thriving" economy when people living in it are miserable? We have "social capitalism", so there are checks and balances to make sure, that capitalism can do it's magic but still serves the people and does not go crazy (as it's doing in the US). So yeah, if you can't imagine all this "socialist" stuff working, come and live+work here for a while. You'll be amazed ;)
Sounds amazing
oh my gosh i hate living here
Actually, things in the U.S. are just fine outside of liberal shitholes like California and New York. Of course, if you are used to Socialism (which it seems like you are), most of the U.S. is not for you. We believe in supporting ourselves without government help and high taxes
@@jamesholden6142 if you can afford it yeah, but we all know not all Americans can afford medical care, housing and education, some of which are considered basic rights in socialist Germany. Btw, GDP of Germany is way up there hence the economy is not fucked. People need to do a bit of data analysis 🧐! You won’t find people with rotting mouth in socialist Germany because they are too broke to go to the dentist
@Dee Dee you just simply don't understand. People can go get care if they can't afford it and with zero wait time. The thing is, people simply don't want to. There are systems in place to take care of the less fortunate. People here are free to make their own decisions and live life they way they want to. It doessn't have to make sense to you or look pretty. America has some of the best medical care in the world. That is why people come here from all over the world for care. You're welcome, by the way, for the covid vaccines.
This makes me so grateful to be Canadian. I am currently on month 7 of my maternity leave and will be going back when my son is one year but my job is protected for 18 months if I wanted. I get paid about $2000/month after taxes from the government, but my employer topped me up to 100% of my regular pay for the first 8 weeks. I could not imagine having to go back so soon after giving birth! I’m easily able to breastfeed full time, bond with my baby, give myself time to heal, be able to go to the numerous appointments in those first few months and enjoy motherhood. I will go back to work ready and refreshed which makes me a better employee!
I'm 7 months in too!👶
On month 9 of 12 here 🇨🇦 sharing the 18 with my partner. He took 3 this past summer while I was off and will do another 3 when I go back in Feb. Very thankful to have this time here. Hard enough to leave my baby at a year, can’t imagine leaving after a few weeks. Would break my heart. Plus the point about healthy habits, I have been able to work out and not only heal properly postpartum but am now feeling stronger than before.
Wow what a blessing :( my baby is 11 weeks and I had to return after 6 weeks in order for us to financially make it. But I am very grateful to have a clean space to pump several times during my shift
@@TheCoExister 😞 i can’t imagine. Hopefully this conversation will gain momentum and make some much needed changes ❤️
So thankful to be Canadian!! I just went back 4 months early because I was going stir crazy at home but I couldn’t imagine not having the choice!
“When did it become acceptable to just pull sh!t out of the air, and pretend like it’s a fact” my favorite quote from the entire video ❤️
not being policitical Im an Australian but the "alternate facts" moment in a Trump presser springs to mind
Since November 2016.
well...fox has been doing that since the 80s....but yeah...since 2015 i really became a whole new monster...
I really want to blame Trump for pulling shit out of the air or his ass and stating what is said as fact but the reality is politicians and business owners have been doing it for centuries to manipulate the masses and will continue to do so until we stop allowing it.
I live here in the US and thankfully my husband’s job gives him 4 weeks off. He took this time off when I had our first and it was so extremely helpful to have him there to support and help me. I definitely think every dad deserves to have time off if they want it
In Lithuanian maternity leave is 126 days, after that you have child rearing"holiday" for two years (not a holiday if you ask any parents ;) paid at approx 70% at first year and 40% second year). These are always taxes funded, so no businesses suffer financially, and it is customary to hire temp workers too for 2 years. You also get three years job security. Side note - very often temp workers later become full time employees. They way most see it- everyone wins, esp babies.
Mentioning the temp workers being a normal practice is really encouraging. I always wondered who would do someone’s job if mat/paternity leave was longer than a few weeks.
Just to correct the numbers it is 54% for first year and 31% for second. 78% in case parent takes one year only.
Almost the same in Bulgaria and all the formal Soviet Union countries I think. You can have a third unpaid year maternity leave while your employer is paying your health and pension benefits. Also you are not allowed to work night shits if you child is under a certain age.
@@Repoboba i think it was definitely more 6 years ago when i was on maternity leave..
@@il42 I am on maternity leave now, these are more recent numbers. I think it is still pretty good.
The personal is political. As a woman of colour I feel that my entire existence is a political issue. Keep up the important content. I watch much of it with my 8 year old daughter to help explain things that i think she needs to know so we can have open honest discussions
I so agree with your statement. Being apolitical isn't a possibility when your existence is constantly politicised. As a queer woman from a low-income, single-parent household, I never had the luxury to not worry about politics. The personal absolutely IS political for a large number - I'd even dare to say a majority - of people!
Women of color truly have the highest impact with this issue in specific as infant mortality rates due to the lack of general available care. I remember doing research for a college paper on how specifically black women are the most gravely affected by the general lack of available care for pregnancy they are the most high risk group in the United States for death during childbirth and their child dying because there's a large amount of these women not receiving job insurance that want to cover the costs of necessary post birth testing and doctors visits that catch things like ectopic pregnancy. Generally the United States healthcare system and job related insurance availability doesn't cover surgeries or alot of necessary healthcare as many people have some kind of disability and the statistics on people developing mental health disorders generally is increasing. I specifically know this struggle greatly as I am autistic and generally I have a multitude of mental health issues because how my brain is. I have every common disorder relating to autism such as adhd, depression, ocd, generalized anxiety disorder. No job I have ever had has offered mental healthcare. Even as a supervisor of a pharmacy. I do not receive medical availability to mental health related treatment. You'd think that working as management in a medical related field I'd get that but I do not. I am very passionate on the fact I want health care for all I want nothing more than for everyone to feel that they can go to the doctor I feel terrified to go because of the cost even as a pharmacy supervisor. I'm so mad at the insurance system and big pharma not a single one of my coworkers doesn't hate big pharma as pharmacists we hate these companies we see the emotions and the pain people feel when they can't afford their medication everyday.
Just because you feel something doesn't make it real, it just makes you a good little sheep that never asks questions.
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Go away and leave us alone
@@beetlebob4675 - No, anybody that can't handle an opposing opinion should remove themselves from any sort of public discourse.
Facts don't care about your feelings, but more importantly neither do other people. Your feelings are your problem and body else's, they're also not a barometer for or an accurate reflection of reality - I might not be of colour, but I am LGBT and 'Personal is Political' just perpetuates and weaponises victimhood, in demographics that don't want to let go of issues they no longer face.
I legitimately believe that our country has the highest concentration of ignorant people, out of every country in the world. It's just so embarrassing how behind we are and how awful our citizens are treated.
Pretty much yes... when I was a teen, I had a few friends that went for 1 year to the US on those student interchange programs. Aside from the usual ignorance about geography or even biology (not knowing where what countries are there in EU, what are chestnuts, prunes, figs or even how fish look like when not packaged), two of them were asked if:
- We could see the Moon from here
- Women also menstruated here
When I started using internet in the late 90's, mostly in college and started meeting from other countries on a daily basis, that perception of americans being poorly educated in general, dissipated a bit actually, but then, most people only had internet access in higher education facilities such as colleges and universities. Since 2010's I've seen a big decline when it comes to discourse over the internet with people in general, and specifically from US citizens, and with that, the perception that most americans are not the brightest bunch out there. Trump managing to get elected completely shattered the ceilling on that regard, to the point I expect nothing but the worst from the US.
Also... the strangest americans I meet online (many of which with very loose moral and ethical values), end up being from Florida ... that is a weird, weird place! 1/10, will not recommend to visit! LOL
@@VectorPlexus The only good things in Florida are Disney World and similar attractions, and the beaches. I do enjoy visiting just for those things but otherwise yeah Florida is...not the greatest
I have questions though why American are so bad at geography? Do you not have that subject?
@@maryamalhammadi588 We learn basic geography in like...middle school. But that's about it.
As a Canadian watching this shitshow from the outside, I have to agree. It's not just that you have a lot of ignorant people, but that in a lot of cases, that ignorance is voluntary. Republicans in particular refuse to be corrected, ESPECIALLY when it's a "political" issue that really ought to just be a matter of scientific fact.
This attitude is SO incredibly frustrating!! So glad I'm in Australia, where we have healthcare and parental leave! And our kids can go to school without fear of being shot.
I’m in Australia and just had my 5th and my husband being home after I had the baby (he has had time off with every child I’ve had) had just been invaluable. He was able to help me rest and recover. He helped look after older kids, do cooking and cleaning and spend some valuable time bonding with his new baby. He cherishes the time he gets off when we have a new baby. To think some people don’t get that, for even the mothers, blows my mind.
It bothers my mind the level of authority your government enforces over you.
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@@AnDr3w066 🤣🤣🤣🤣 lol
We all can create this for ourselves and don't need an employer to make that decision for us. Good god, 5 kids, you know what will also make things easier...birth control!
@@AnDr3w066 don't worry about us. We are just fine. Literally, like not hundreds of thousands of dead citizens.
When policy effects people’s health, it makes total sense for a doctor to talk about it. I appreciate Mama Doctor Jones shedding some science on the situation.
Yeah, it makes sense for an OBGYN to talk about it but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a bias and bias is exactly the opposite of science.
@@nikkyk.k1705 Of course everyone is biased. But I'd still rather listen to people who have knowledge of what they're talking about than someone who is basing their bias on wild speculation and emotion.
His whole argument just shoes how insidious and pervasive the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" attitude is I the country. His entire argument was balking in disbelief that people could be successful without grinding away the best years of their life and spitting in the faces of their family's wants and needs beyond financial support.
That is the attitude of this country but someone has to work otherwise you wouldn’t have things like TH-cam and content like this.
@@nikkyk.k1705 I dont work and idk TH-cam's is still here
Well, I suppose this attitude is instilled for a reason since otherwise no one would manage in that system. And then you start feeling pride for pulling through all that.
The bootstrap angle was a segregationist angle from Jim Crow and Civil Rights era. The fact it’s so widespread that it now applies to anymore who isn’t raking in millions shows American media is pushing a narrative without a finish line. It’s like they ran out of races to pick on so naturally attacking those who want quality life at home is the new target. It’s a shitshow that will implode so fast, even Rogan will be impacted. America is a 3rd world country in so many ways…
@@elizabethfrohn-hengst296 because someone did. Which is why that person is filthy rich. You create value and you get it back. Pretty simple
My husband and I have always been for maternity/paternity leave but this video is so informative!! Thank you for bringing up actual stats! Could you make a video about sleep safety for infants? I know there are a lot of videos on this already but I think we'd all really appreciate it if it comes from you because the information would be more up to date and reliable
Here in Portugal, maternity leave is MANDATORY for the first 6 weeks with an extra of 24 weeks (before and/or after delivery). Paternity leave is 20 week day. For both, 100% of their salary.
They can take an extra of 3 months each, but for 25%
I had no idea that the US didn't had paternity leave... I'm shocked...
We suffer
Those 20 days of paternity leave are also mandatory. If the leave is shared - 150 days with 100% pay or 180 days with 83% pay.
I know our country has its problems but thank goodness we have the basic healthcare guaranteed! I honestly have no idea why people think the US are such a great country if they cant even look out for newborns and their parents, how sad!!
My husband staying home those first few weeks was incredibly helpful. He helped me take care of my c section incision site, he helped me take care of our child, he bonded with our child, he went to the store so I wouldn’t have to take our child out (she was born a week before the Covid shutdown), he gave me time to rest, etc. My husband being able to have the parental leave he had helped me, our child, and himself.
I live in Canada. I'm a father of two. I LOVE parental leave and the fact that I get up to 8 WEEKS on TOP of my wife's 18 months paid leave. Love being with my kids!
Thats so good, most countries is 2 weeks ❤️ In my opinion should be both the same time ❤️
Full year of slightly reduced pay for either parent, it is good for everyone in society to do this. Begin in a good way and all the days which follow will be better. Canadian teacher- unions and decisions based on well done long term studies lead to better lives.
Honestly, people like Rogan need to have a masculinity crisis induced by another guy manshaming them for NOT agreeing to stay home with a child for any amount of time. Or if they are staying childless, the same thing for not agreeing with other guys taking paternal leave. Maybe we should just start emasculating Americans for the ridiculous things they are in the minority for but have the audacity to feel superior over. No, Joe, you're not being a big manly dude guy for shaming men for taking part in their own families. You're being a little btch for fearing the collapse of society when a dad has the balls for the immense emotional and physical trial of be a present father for their own children.
(For disclaimer, I don't actually agree with using toxicity to fight against toxicity, I'm just saying americans need to realize the thigns they glorify their own power for are in many cases marks of cowardice in the eyes of everybody else.)
As a Canadian man, with almost zero interest in raising a family... I salute you!
I find it super weird that people think it’s weird for the dad to take parental leave. I have been in the United States Air Force for the past 10 years and have taken leave after the birth of each of my three kids. The best part was that it’s none chargeable leave, I still got to keep my normal leave time plus getting this “free” time off to bond with my newborns. If the government can figure out how to budget it with the military I think we can figure it out for everyone else too. I relies this is a all order to ask our elected officials to figure out a budget but I would love to see tax dollars spend on actually providing a service to its citizens.
This was so painful to watch. My husband works at a small liberal arts college in MN. They give everyone 6 weeks paid parental leave. My husband got 6 weeks with my son and I after I gave birth and I truly don't believe we could have done without it. Not only was it absolutely necessary for my mental and physical recovery (like not sure we both would have stayed alive without it) but my son was able to bond with my husband too, which was the most amazing, beautiful thing to watch. To this day they have a really unique bond and it just means so much, to my husband especially as he had wanted to be a dad for so long. Parents getting time with their babies is so important!
Yep. My husband only got 2 weeks paternity leave, but added some annual leave to make it almost a month off work. He cooked, cleaned, took our older child to and from school, and generally kept everything running while I physically recovered. Without that time I'm sure I would have ended up with PPD (again!). He also built a great bond with the youngest and reinforced his bond with the oldest. This was 5 years ago, and he still says he wishes he could have had more time at home.
This is amazing! My husband got about a week off with my first and only got the weekend off with my second baby (gave birth on a Thursday he was back at work Monday). It was the most stressful experience of my life and I had to give up breastfeeding within two weeks because I couldn’t manage two kids alone that early. It was hard, but something had to give and that was the only thing I could make “easier”. It’s just him and his dad at the business so they have no options for replacement people or financial ability to pay for not working. Our family would have really benefited from some program like this. Two years later and I had to put my career on hold because we couldn’t find reliable child care and I was expected to go back full time after 12 weeks(app but two or three unpaid after sick leave ran out).
@@shaelaann that sounds hard!❤ I really hope our country will quickly get to the point where families are offered sufficient support to help in these types of situations.
Any chance you work at Carleton?
God i absolutely love you. “That’s not why you had your baby in a pick up truck.” Yesss. And why is a woman who doesn’t know the difference between maternity and paternity deciding our policies.
Yes!!! Especially on parental leave! I'm willing to bet "the help" is raising their kids.
These politicians INFURIATED me in such a big scale.
1. I’m Mexican, I never saw the level of mental illness in parents there that I see in parents here. Mx offers 3 months PAID leave.
2. The option to have the father taking paid leave impacts the mom and baby mental health and development. Can you imagine having a knee replacement surgery and being sent home with a baby that you have to take care ALONE while you’re recovering from your surgery???? Man the level of privilege bias in these people blows my mind!!
3. USA is a very individualist country, you guys don’t have the tribe support where grandparents and sister and brothers of the parents help with the kid, that’s EXHAUSTING for parents of a new born this nuclear family concept.
4. Not to mention that with all this stress also comes the ridiculous prices for child care.
Thank you for mentioning the child care issues in the US.
In the States, we're openly hostile to paid parental leave. We've gutted the social safety net. And childcare (especially for infants) is expensive if you can even get it.
There's this undercurrent of shaming for any household that doesn't (for whatever reason) follow the Leave It To Beaver model.
@@Saezimmerman what i dont understand in us, they scream AAH TRIBALS we cant let them make a tribe , lol . how can you not be individual and still have benefits , you can still have everything without sacrificing your freedom xD it really is amazing.
And still I don't see thousends of americans paying money to inmigrate illegally to México.
@@andrear7181 Probably because in-migrating is not a thing.
@@andrear7181 maybe not but you don’t need a visa to go to Mexico and at the moment, an unprecedented number of US citizens are moving to Mexico for various reasons.
My husband has had 12 weeks of paternity leave with our last 2 kids and it has been so amazing. My mental health and my ability to bond with my newborn is so much better. The first 2 kids he was military and got no leave. Paternity leave is important. Both parents should have time to bond with their baby and adjest to the life change, and dads need to be there to help their partners recover.
“Is the argument that rich mothers should only be able to stay home with their babies?” Yes that is 100% their take. I’m sure that has absolutely zero societal consequences we’d pay for later.
This reminds me of the “don’t have kids if you can’t afford it” bs I have to hear constantly. And yet… our bodies are built to make babies most efficiently (this is not to say women can’t have babies later in life, it just gets more difficult) at an age that most people don’t have a lot of disposable income so… how about we just let our species die out?
@@sweetlittlebubbles How selfish are you that your want to have a child outweighs the needs of that child? A child deserves a good life outside of the hardships of poverty, so yes, you shouldn't have children if you can't afford to. Why would you willingly put another human through the hardships of being unable to afford food, clothes or other basic necessities. If someone can barely afford their own expenses, bringing a child into this world they certainly won't be able to afford to care for is a cruel action to take. Our species isn't going to die out if people wait until they have enough income to have children.
I love how he's like "We are not in Europe, we are in America, this is better!" As a European, when I read this from Americans (or "America is the best country") I ask "ok what is better, but please provide actual data to prove that it is objectively better / the best, not just subjective (which means just "for you")", they never can. Just concepts like "but muh freedom" (dude we got freedom) and such. Any kind of statistics that indicate quality of life / public health / education etc. don't have America at the top. I am sure there are some areas where America is absolutely great (like your elite universities are probably top of the world, research in a lot of areas is very good), but it's far from the best in everything. I would frankly never consider a move to the US.
@@IvySorh you missed her point, her point is that the tab should be picked up by the society that is lying when pretending they wouldn't be benefitting from the birth instead of forcing non-rich families to have their kids when the woman is older and when complication risk is higher. Otherwise they are essentially saying that only rich women deserve youthful lower risk pregnancies and are encouraging golddigging for those women that are not born into wealth
@@IvySorh the US seems to be built as a resource extraction device these days. As a society income inequality means if monetary security was the yardstick for whether you have children, there would be almost no children in this country.
I’m Canadian, I can’t imagine not being able to go on mat leave when I have kids one day. It’s wild that the US is supposedly a “developed” country but doesn’t have something as basic as paid parental leave.
Because they have guns and that makes them the best apparently lol
The usa is truly a third world country with a face of a first world country. I find it astonishing how much they lack in healthcare, housing and employment. Yet they believe the continent of Africa is undeveloped and a third world continent as a whole.
@@Katrina0567 100% agree with you! I'm the neighbor to the North and you couldn't pay me enough money to live in the US.
Canada has bigger problems believe me.
I came across a quote of Facebook that I thought was spot on
"America is just a third world country with rich people"
"It's not just to bond with the kid." But isn't that an important thing for parent(s) and the kid(s)? I mean, say a group of people felt that families were important, valued one might even say, wouldn't solid bonds between parents and children be important?
Bonding with your baby provides the cornerstone of brain development and leads to effective social and emotional development (pro social behaviour etc) if you don't have the opportunity to develop that, and add in the stress and poverty of trying to work, recover from birth, all on micro 45min chunks of sleep 🥴 the recipe for a horrendous and toxic life is there. It's a wonder that anyone has kids there in the USA... Oh yeh abortion is banned in texas and really weak access to contraceptives
Babies are cherished and important and precious and must be protected! When they're still in the womb that is. Afterward, they don't deserve to have their parents be there for them, according to these people.
Yes. But I don’t think that was the point. Being a mother, i know it’s really important to be there for her and not just the baby. I felt so supported while pregnant but then as soon as I gave birth everyone just wanted to see the baby… That lasted about two weeks and then people just seem to forget about you. If we were financially stable enough for my husband to stay home, that would’ve kept me from a lot of postpartum depression. So no. It’s not “just” to bond with the baby. It’s also to support your partner. So that no one feels alone during that time.
Bonding with your child is absolutely important its one of the most important things for that baby as far as brain development goes idk the full science behind it but kids who don't have that bonding time are often underdeveloped in social skills I am paraphrasing so a few details might be incorrect
@@estherrodriguez2054 Absolutely. And physically, having a partner there to do things like cook for you, get you things, change the baby etc so you can rest and recover is so important. Especially if something happens, like you have a c-section, have a second child that you can't actually lift but is still in diapers.. phew. Support is important in so many ways.
I live in Brazil and I am appalled to know that indeed. We have 3 months of paid mathernal leave for new moms (even when it comes to adoption) and paternity leave is now in discussion.
Oh! And we get paid full salary😊
I'm 35, applying to grad school, and am hoping to get pregnant at least once before I'm 40. Because the US has no paid parental leave, people have told me it's better to give birth during grad school than after starting a new job which is bananas! We've gotta do better!
OMG I've been told that too! But graduate school is a full time job!
This is true! I got pregnant in my last year of my M.S. in Psychology. I had my daughter in the same month I graduated. It worked well, I had solid student insurance. And, I got to take 3 months off to spend with her... which is still squat compared to other countries but great in terms of what we get in the States.
I had my first baby 6 months ago, I'm a 5th year PhD student. It's incredibly difficult, but my supervisor is so amazing. I honestly couldn't be doing this without his support.
I'm in this position right now and being pregnant while studying is SO HARD. We made the choice to get pregnant now for this very reason. I will have about 9 months before I get back into the work force and I'm not at all comfortable putting a 9mo old in daycare 😩
My unplanned pregnancy happens to line up with me finishing grad school while still on maternity leave. I have never been so thankful to not have to do school, work & baby at the same time. It’s so unfortunate that was even an issue to consider.
I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but in addition to parental leave being a great idea full stop, in the case of the Buttigieg's they really needed it. Pete and Chasten did not find out till the day before that it was twins and not a singleton, AND the babies were born premature. So they had a lot of last minute prep (to double all their supplies!) and the babies needed a lot of extra care. (Especially little Gus, who has been in and out of the pediatric ICU in recent days.) Babies are a big adjustment, two babies are a really huge adjustment, and two preemies -- those dads have their hands very very full!
For real! They need more than two adults for twins! Hope the dads have local family & friends to help out. It’s so exhausting.
@@edvh88 babies increase difficulty exponentially, they're not to be taken lightly!
This!!! I feel like it’s common sense to understand this. I don’t get why people don’t. 🤦🏻♀️
Me and my twin brother were born in the late 70s. We were 1 till an ultrasound 15 days before birth, but nevermind they told them just my brother will make it ( I was too weak). We were premature, we spent a month in the ICU. My mom will leave late at night drive 60 miles to our house, wash the clothed diapers. She'll have dinner with my dad who had been out to work from 6 in the morning till 8 at night. Woke up next morning and go to the hospital with fresh diapers. When we were discharge we had to spend another month isolated from the outside. Thankfully my mom count with 4 grandparents and a group of family and friends to help them. But a parental leave would have been great for my dad.
Argh! 🤦🏻♀️
Extra detail on the Swedish parental leave: The moment the mom goes into labor, the dad/partner get 10 days parental leave immediately (like "Oh crap, she's in labor, I gotta go!" kinda type of immediately 😁) to be able to support her during that first difficult time.
My husband got 3 weeks off 😃
@@kathilisi3019
In total?
No, he took 1 month of leave later on but he got the first 3 weeks off right from the birth of our baby.
54 working days for dad in Finland, 1-18 working days he can stay at home together with mom. The length of stay increases if a family had more than 1 child . Maternity leave lasts for 105 working days and then parents are able to be on parental leave for 158 working days , either the mother or the father can take it.
That's so nice!
I’m a Republican but I absolutely support parental leave! I agree with you outcomes are better for families. I am to old to have babies now but this would have helped me when I had my kids. Plus most daycares do not accept babies under 3 months. I agree with you on this issue 💯
Thank you for your compassion!
If you're compassionate enough to understand that, why are you even in the Republican party?
"I absolutely support parental leave, but not at the ballot box!"
why are you bragging about being a republican lmao
@@ericdugdale8585Has paid parental leave come up for a national vote referendum style? If not, how can you support it at the ballot box?
Thank you for addressing this. So infuriating when people tout "family first" rhetoric, but never put their money where their mouth is. Parents having time to spend with their children of all ages affects society at large on so many levels. We need more people talking about this.
We need more people being responsible and not asking other people to pay for them! I got 5 kids I'm a housekeeper and I dont need the government to pay for my kids! I'm their mother and i should be the one responsible for them. O dont understand why people always think the government should pay for everything 🤭
@@heidination126 what does housekeeper mean? Housewife? Or some kind of job?
exactly! This should be a conservative talking point! They're all so full of 'family values', but as soon as they think it would cost them money, they are ready to drop (poor) families at the drop of a hat, because 'the economy'. For which it wouldn't even be much of a problem... But of course, they subsequently blame those parents for their lack of parenting...
Now, I kind of get it, employment in the US is a lot of dog eat dog, if you even stay out for a few weeks to recover, you might well be replaced by the time you return. But if you want people to have families, and that definitely is a conservative talking point, you should allow them to do exactly that, and not price them out of it.
It's because they don't mean "families doing well first", they mean "women being exploited and expected to do unpaid care work first".
These same parents should also get back to work so people with aging parents can take time to take their parents to appointments and such. Funny how so many parents who tout family first to employers aren't willing to cover shifts, because they have kids. Yet they want all this paid maternity, and paternity leave, shifts which childless people cover. I'm so tired of the whining.
This makes me so sad. I am from New Zealand, and I could not imagine my partner not being with me at least a few weeks after giving birth. Sleep deprivation alone would make it unsafe for him to drive to work. Babies are not robots or commodities, they are tiny people that need love and attention all the time. One person cannot do everything all the time and be mentally okay. It truly takes a village.
This is honestly infuriating. America is backwards in so many ways. Honestly I hate living in America and my long term goal is to move out of this country. Every single person should get paid time off when having a child. I had my first child in 2020, and I was grateful for having my fiance (now husband) there for the first 12 weeks(fmla). I honestly don't know what I would have done without him.
Agreed, the more I look around I realize how unsafe and unsustainable life is in America. I'd love to go anywhere else bc honestly how could I reasonably have a family in a country that could give zero shits about me?
Couldn’t agree more! I’ve said these same words many times myself! It’s absolutely insane!
Agreed. I had my 1st March 2020. I ended up needing an emergency c-section and was in the hospital for a week total. My husband had to use his PTO for that week and then he only had 3 days of paternity leave. We live in NJ and I had to have my mom come up from FL to help us out because he had to back to work and I just had major abdominal surgery. We were so lucky she was able to come help out with the baby because I dont know what I would've done otherwise
Hey go ahead and leave, good luck.
I gave birth to a son in march of 2020 and my husband got 6 weeks of paid paternity leave through his job but he was wanting a promotion so he went back at 4 weeks and i was really stressed and not ready for him to go back. His work took forever to get around to promotions bc of covid and I hated that we lost out on those last 2 weeks.
My cousin and his wife had a baby a while back, and because he wasn’t offered paid paternal leave, he had to work his ass off to save up the money leading up to the due date. He saved enough to squeeze like 3-4 months of time at home with his wife and son, but I know he would’ve spent more time with his family if he could’ve. I appreciate him as a human.
Oh man, Joe and Lauren’s heads would explode if they heard my husband will be taking 18 months off when we have a baby. I’m self-employed so do not have mat leave. Husband has access to 18 months paternity leave, and you can guarantee he will be taking every single day of it.
Aw, that's really sweet. If you already have your kid now, I hope them and your husband are doing okay :)
I hope they did find out in that case
I’m a student midwife in Germany and the first thing our professors said on the first day of class was that there is no way to depoliticize this job. Reproductive healthcare, especially for people with vaginas and people who can become pregnant, is always going to be a political issue and I frankly think it’s irresponsible to try to depoliticize it. Anyone who thinks parents don’t deserve universal paid leave after the birth of a child by default believe those children don’t deserve to have the best infancy and childhood possible.
Girl you could have just said women, and not "people with vaginas" and "people who can become pregnant", because there are only men and women -nothing in between. This type of wokeness is literally insanity! especially coming from someone who is a medical personal. And no, this isn't me being insensitive or all the other tags woke people like to use, it's basic human biology, basic science and basic logic.
@@jennybelinson8191 I feel like if you understood basic human biology, you‘d be very surprised by how incorrect you are. I know men who have given birth and you probably wouldn’t call them women if you met them on street. Have a great day! Try not to invalidate trans people too much!
@@jennybelinson8191 um....there are trans men and nonbinary folk hat do give birth...and they are...wait for it....not women....
@@Butterflier00 Quick check of their DNA says otherwise.
@@Butterflier00 they were born female and still are females. Females give birth.
Fair warning: I voted for Buttigieg so I'm partial
It's really sad that none of these people even bothered to mention that his babies were premature and one has been in the hospital. Of course there are photos in the hospital, these poor babies have spent so much time in the hospital.
And of course he needed extended parental leave, the needs of premature babies are a lot. That's why parental leave is so important for both parents. Not every birth is one healthy kid. Sometimes things go wrong and even if you planned to be back in 2 weeks that may not happen because of things out of your control.
The birth mother may have needed emergency surgery so the other parent may be needed around the house and with the baby. The baby might be sick. You never know.
It's gross that people just assume that childbirth is "Hey I laid down and had a baby and in 2 days I'm up and about and everything is great"
Let alone the whole bonding part which is also important.
Well I voted for Bernie Sanders, and I agree with everything you said!
I didn't much like Pete but you bet I defended him when Tucker Carlson and his chorus of copycats made those disgusting comments! Homophobia isn't okay, period!
And I was even more pissed at Carlson because he was making me defend Pete Buttigieg! ;-)
And as for paid parental leave, we may disagree on Pete, but we're totally in agreement on this!
It's the right thing, it's good for the health of the babies and the mothers, it's good for families, and anyone who claims they're "pro-life" or "pro-family" should support it.
A healthy birth, where nothing goes wrong is traumatic to the body, I can't imagine having to go back to work like nothing happened. Now let's add the trauma to the body when everything doesn't go well... yeah that's not resolved in 2 weeks...
@@Celebriel82 I've had many employees show back up 2 days later for physical work like nothing happened trying to work without a release from their doctor 🇺🇲 these are employees with STD benefits so they don't *have* to work but they feel like they do. Because🇺🇲
I was born a month premature, breach, with a laundry list of health issues and complications, during a war. My dad was fighting and my mom had a second child at home (my older sibling is just shy of 12 months older than me) so she was going back and forth between her kids in a war zone because I spent two months in N-ICU while they finished developing my lungs and tried to fix my kinked tear ducts and more. Paid parental leave for both would have been a godsend so one could stay home with the older child while the other was at the hospital with me. My parents deserve medals for what they endured when I was born.
"We have a world to save!" ...By neglecting our children???
In Romania, you can take up to 2 years for each child, paid 80% of your income for the previous 12 months. Parents can go back to work after 1 year, if they want. One month of that total period is for the parent who did not take the main parental leave (it's usually for the father, but roles can be switched). If the baby has a handicap, parental leave can be up to 3 years.
I believe this is the same in Moldova, where I lived for two years. As an American I was so surprised by it initially.
Same in Bulgaria
That is incredible! Go Romania 🇷🇴
What is awesome is that this time can be taken by any of the parents. After I had my baby, her dad took leave and I went back to work because I had a better paid more flexible schedule. So more often than not we were both home for two whole years. My kid has been so healthy and happy because of this. And we were able to learn all about raising her because otherwise we had no support
@@shebajohn9122 Of course not. You'd be on leave, raising a child, that is enough of a job. The position is normally filled by a temporary employee for that period of time.
I find it 'interesting' that Joe was like 'we aren't in Europe' and I'm like ummm 'what about Canada?' Canada hasn't crumbled to the ground last time I checked lol
We always get ignored
@@Mama_Bear524 right!!!! Lol
Also, why is the argument for something that works in another country always, "Well, this isn't that country, this is America!" - like no shit Joe! the whole point is to take examples from these countries that are able to do it and learn from it. So much arrogance from a person whose country doesn't even have universal healthcare.
Canada, which is also in America...
@@jessicas8778 are you saying that Canada is in America? 😂
Why is this “family values” woman so proud of not taking maternity leave.
I would have loved to have been able to take leave so I could have helped my fiance during both of our pregnancies. She dealt with preclampsia, depression, and high blood pressure while caring for two babies.
Thank God we have educated strong women like you in this world. I applaud you for getting through this. So sick of Joe Rogan’s toxic masculinity and uneducated opinions 😡😡
Give an example of his toxic masculinity?
@@christinajones6500 ... did you not watch the video? It's chock full of Joe Rogan advocating for toxic practices and attitudes like men not bonding with their newborns in order to get "small business" owners like Joe more $$$$$
@@jd0604 so like him taking ivermectin, I listened.to.him, that wasn't devils advocate, that was against..stop trying to soften his bullshit attitude. He makes his money off appealing to the lowest common denominator. Joe is out for Joe.
@@jd0604 LOL he doesnt give a fuck about anyone but Joe. I went back and listened, he didnt walk back on it, he said it was an interesting conversation and went back to shitting on Germany because they give 9 months. No one has ever said it should be out of the pockets of business, but he was pushing some pretty toxic bullshit of one parent being in charge of the kids etc....hes toxic AF pushing misinformation that people like you lap up.
@@jd0604 dude, no disrespect, you're welcome to like whatever show you like, but everything he said about this topic is so sexist against men, it's ridiculous... That's why it's toxic. No matter how you feel about the overuse of the phrase 'toxic masculinity,' that doesn't change the fact that so many men, like Rogan, are just hurting other men by holding literally every single one of them to the same standard stereotype. These men are just as bad as the self sabotaging, hypocritical woman who hysterically demands to have her pov respected and listened to, while she laughs in a man's face and cuts him down when he shows any kind of real emotion and belittles his problems, and makes rational women generally look like fools because we get lumped in with them. Thats why dudes like Rogan present a problem.
Joe totally has fuck you money, that's why he gets behind a mic every podcast and basically tells us 'Fuck you, I'm Joe Rogan, and I can do whatever the fuck I want, consequences be damned as long as I get my limelight.' He doesn't stand up for anyone, he just likes having a huge platform to preach his drug induced, fear based ignorance. He's fried his brain on DMT, weed, and God only knows what else, so I dont understand why potentially intelligent young men look up to an uneducated burn out who seems to clearly be using his audience's feelings of vulnerability and their genuine concerns or fears against them to fulfill his million dollar contract on a Spotify deal. He's insidious because he makes men think he understands how they feel and is speaking up for them, but he doesn't have any right to do that. Most men I know who are simple welders or forklift drivers are lightyears smarter than Rogan, so I don't understand how he, with his millions of dollars and Hollywood lifestyle, speaks for any of the regular men who tune in.
Just my opinion, I know it ain't worth a damn, but I simply don't understand this cult of personality. Rogan should stick to discussing UFC and Jiu Jitsu because he knows that shit like the back of his hand, and he's great at it, but on medical and political topics, he's an uneducated/unqualified, megaphone and he's old enough to know that it's potentially harmful to talk that much into a megaphone for that long to that big of an audience when youre not qualified to talk about it with such vehemence. He's a great stand up comic, and I honestly don't understand why hes trying to be a gym bro/supplement selling version of George Carlin by getting more and more political as years go on. He's sowing discontent just like the leftist shit stirrers in this country for him and his supermodel wife to profit directly from. Two sides of the same coin to me. Nobody should be letting anyone else do the thinking or the speaking for them and this is where I feel like he's toxic. He thinks he has authority. In actuality, he does not. He only has the authority that people lend him. The pack mentality for humans, especially the alpha beta theory, is an outdated and disproven concept that Joe keeps perpetually extolling as the root cause of mens' feeling of displacement and insecurity in the modern world, but it's people like this who are actively feeding those fears and insecurities because either he's directly profiting from it or perhaps feels those fears himself and is looking to the big group for validation of those anxieties.
Again, no disrespect meant to you, I'm just genuinely confused why so many people seem drawn to this particular person outside of his stand up shows.
Joe Rogan reminds me of my Dad's boss when I was a young. One of us kids was sick, and it was my Dad who called in because his day was easier to drop than my Mom's, due to the nature of their jobs. His boss gave him flak about 'being the breadwinner' and why wasn't Mom staying home? Even way back then, my Dad told him Mom is his partner, and just where he could stick his opinion of our family's parenting choices.
Love him for that
Yay Dad!
I'm the stay at the stay at home carer. One day I'd gone shopping, but had forgotten my phone. School had to call my husband to collect our child as they had fallen asleep in their calm corner. He doesn't drive so cycled to collect and bring them home. He has also taken time off to help care when the same child was sick and I was volunteering at the youngest's preschool setting, and when I had medical appointments and wouldn't be able to get to collect them from school.
"You shouldn't have to take it if you don't want to."
Germany has 8 weeks mandatory, paid parental leave for any parent who gives birth, miscarries after a certain point, or adopts a child. German has three types of parental leave, but the first one, which translates roughly to 'mother protection time' is non-negotiable. It's to avoid injury to someone who did something very physically and mentally strenuous, and to encourage bonding with the baby, if there is a baby, or get time to grieve if there is not.
The one strange hiccup about this is, if you adopt a school-aged child, you still have to take the eight weeks' leave. Your child, however, is not allowed to miss school unless there is a medical reason, and having to bond with your new parent does not count.
Edit: The two other kinds of parental leave, which I always mix up the names of, are there to let parents adjust to a major life change without it affecting their work performance (not having workers running on two hours of sleep is generally seen as good business practice) and to be present for milestones of their child. It is also a way to take strain off Germany's ridiculously limited daycare and kindergarten system, which has too few free spaces, not enough staff, and is generally only open during business hours or less.
I can see the benefits of taking the 8 weeks for the new adopted school age child.
Some reasons I can see:
-Adjusting to a new pattern
-Being able to take time to new run errands that resulted from having a new kid
-make changes to the house
-be completely free to be with the kid after school
I understand why in the last one you woukd argue that they can do that while still attending work. But that's not always the case. For example I sometimes come home from work but still have documents to review before the next day. And it takes time sometimes until bedtime. If the parents is not working they wont have work to distract them from being able to dedicate all after-school time with them.
Plus not all kids are adopted during school season. Some are adopted during school breaks and that would allow for a lot of bonding time that would be missed if the parent had to work.
You also have to take 6 weeks before term, if you are giving birth, so the mandatory maternal leave is actually 14 weeks
What many don't seem to take into account is a) childbirth is physically traumatic and the mother NEEDS time to recover/heal; b) caring for a baby is a 24/7 job unpaid job.
As a Finn, I am appalled how ANYONE can be against parental leave.
As a German, I second this! 👏
I can tell you as an American it is because it has been ingrained in us to believe that we are first workhorses for the business. Americans tend to sadly view poor people or the less fortunate as leeches on society… which is so sad.
That is why you are “FINN” and not American.
@@nikkyk.k1705 No, it has more to do with where someone was born and/or lives. They were lucky to not have been born and raised in the US (I assume) 🤪
@@Pinelo-pie no it has more to do with if they were born and live there and like those policies than they don’t have the room to comment on the policies in the US. And yes that is what we call ourselves in the US is American, confusing I know but what else are we supposed to say, it is the United States of America so we call ourselves American, which we are. You are only able to speak from your perspective and, as someone who is born/lives not in the US, I don’t expect you to understand how lucky it is to be American and not be forced to pay for social programs such as parental leave.
As a mother with poor health and having had post-partum depression with *each* child, in the poverty bracket, I can say that paid paternity leave would have meant the WORLD to me and my family's health. Every day and night was such a *struggle!* Clawing my way through each hour trying to care for my precious, glorious children while trying to maintain my own mental and physical health was the hardest task of my life. I've had to stop at two children because my health simply cannot bear another round of it again even though I yearn for more children. We wanted to at least have a daughter. The day America realizes how vastly important for our own benefit maternity and paternity leave is, the BETTER!
But things aren't so good in these other countries. You mention poverty. People in these other countries pay a lot more in taxes. A LOT more. Most in the USA get some sort of refund at tax time. Dream on in these other countries. No such thing.
@@lorainefleeman6011 I'm from Germany and yes we do have poverty like everywhere else but to say there is no tax returns in other countries is clearly misinformed. Of course we get tax returns.
I don't know whether or not we pay more taxes but I like the feeling it comes back to us in form of free healthcare and paied paternity leave amongst others.
@@jenna3472 Many countries don't do tax returns, and many do pay a lot more. I have aunts, cousins, etc., in Germany, and it's really no better there than it is in the USA. Some things better than in the USA, and some things worse, but overall, it's about the same. Our cost of living in the USA is cheaper than in many other countries. Instead of paying higher taxes, we pay insurance premiums, so I don't see the difference there. We do have free and sliding fee clinics(which is very cheap for low income). Most homeless people where I live are on disability, medicaid, Medicare, some even tricare(for veterans), etc. People in Canada tell me that yes, they get free healthcare, but if they need a specialist, they need to come to the USA. All of my cousins that grew up in Canada all moved to the USA as adults, so it can't be all bad here.
@@lorainefleeman6011 I live in Sweden and we also have tax refunds IF we paid to much tax the year before. And I also don't think we pay to much tax in Sweden because of what you get for it.
@@camillalundblad6274 Yeah. Most people in the USA get refunds. Sometimes we have to pay in, but usually not. That's the average citizen. Businesses and business owners are different.
Both of the clips here highlight one of the huge issues in the US: this blatant idolization of the “American way” (put in quotations because obvious the US is not America in its entirety). No, I don’t mean patriotism - if someone is patriotic, they’re also willing to put forth the effort to make a country better. This is pure idolization: putting this rose colored glasses version of a country on a pedestal, insisting it is the best and most amazing methodology and everyone is just begging to be here and everyone else is just jealous that they’re doing it wrong, when in reality we’re at the bottom of nearly every list. Of first world countries we have the worst infant mortality, we have the worst education system, we have the worst crime rates and rates of people who commit crimes once they’re finally let out of prison. And yet any attempt to fight it or change it or push for something better is shut down by people hypnotized by this idolized “American way.”
Are the other countries perfect? No. Perfection is superfluous and outright impossible. But there are so many things better than this, if we were willing to work towards it.
And before someone says it: no, I’m not going to move elsewhere because I don’t like it. Because like I said, pursuing change and progress and better for the country you live in is a good thing
It's straight up Nationalism, really. Very well worded and straight to the point as well.
The American Way is to work yourself to death to keep a billionaire from becoming a millionaire
You're right. It also feels like such an archaic way of thinking - that the father is supposed to work and the mother should take care of the baby at home. As if both parents wanting to stay home to be with THEIR newborn is so outrageous. Just because one doesn't birth their child, doesn't mean they don't deserve to spend time with them. Parental leave is a right, just like healthcare. I don't get why some people just cannot wrap their heads around that.
YES. This. So much this.
I am patriotic to my core, but this country I love has some messed up stuff that needs to change. I'm gonna keep working on the change instead of abandoning the problem to those less able to make change happen.