Looks like Adam Neely and I had the same idea this week. I shot this last weekend before seeing his video. Editing/graphics/gummies took forever, so just uploading now. But funny to see similarities & differences, almost down to the same jokes... I guess playing in bands together for 10 years will do that. Enjoy this drummer's perspective on the subject!
Honestly, I love Adams videos but this was a really really excellent video and more that just complimenting Adam's it gave a really good insight into the topic
Yall got the same profile picture and edit your videos the same way. I'm on to you sungazer punks. This isn't a coincidence it's a gosh darn dang sundangledgazer conspiracy. You boys are in cahoots and the general public knows it.
damn dude. this is so good! EDIT: to people saying that our TH-cam videos are similar...its almost as if we lived together for 5 years and have played together for over a decade. I've learned a lot from Shawn, and gleefully steal from him at every opportunity I can.
Here are a few video ideas for you 1. Metric modulation 2.Rhythmic displacements 3.Tuplet based swings 4.Microrhythms 5.Indian rhythmic compositions(Tihaia , Korvais etc)
I was so ready for this to be an Adam Neely rip and I’m so glad it’s not. Excellent video - currently living the percussionist’s wet dream of two different polyrhythm videos in one week
Agree. Without hearing the keyboard phrases which inspired the ride polyrhythm, you can see it feels not at all forced or odd, but an added subtle texture on the drum. Not in your face solo. Not filigree (great work). I would use the term texture to describe the new option on the rhythmic palette of the piece. I may seek out the full track at some point, but I get the idea.
Your video was what helped me (a non musician/amateur singer) manage to do a 3:4 polyrhythm with finger snapping hahaha thank you, your channel is really cool!
Agree completely. It's basically a much more complex drunk/Dilla beat. (I think I spelled "Dilla" right.) I also really liked the ostinato he did, too. Also, when I liked your comment it went from 21 to 22. That was too perfect
What I love about your teaching is that you teach in concepts rather than just teaching directly about something. I think that’s what sets you apart so much from other educators.
Shawn. You're absolutely fantastic. Talk about a killer video with fantastic production from a good dude. Now I need to check out more of your stuff. If you choose to become active on this platform with content like this, you'll go FLYING.
I was going to say that people need stop making videos on this but then I realized how valuable each unique perspective is and how it only really helps me gain a better understanding of the concepts to see everybody’s take on it. Good stuff man.
Interesting approach for polyrhytms, I have been multiplying the factors, then hitting on them until I reach the product. Once i get a feel for the rhythm , i can increase the speed.
poly metrics and polyrhythmics are 2 different things. many people can play straight metrics against eachother. not many can play actual involved rhythms against eachother without alot of practice. great vid!
I’ve been trying to get a better grip on timing as a basic guitarist. Never cared much for most of my 68 years. Your awesome videos was like an epiphany to me. Thank you. Btw, loved Zappa when I first heard him in the 70s. Wish he was still with us but his music, black pages and all, always will be.
Oh man this is so good. That last version of 21:22 was right on the edge of my rhythmic comprehension, like I could tell there was a groove but couldn't quite feel it.
Dude this was fantastic. It's given me a much better appreciation of how complex rhythm can be. I'm feeling pretty inspired right now. Also, the quality of your videos is on-point.
Man if you like this listen to some tool. If you're not into that kind of music give it a listen anyway, because the drummer is known for putting complex polyrythyms and syncopation that still sound organic and natural. Try with Triad
So whenever my unison strokes become sloppy and turn into a single stroke roll I need to practice more but whenever Jacob Collier does it its musical genius...
this video just remind me of left turn lane when there are 1 or 2 cars ahead of me and had their signal light on, but due to turn on at a slightly off time and each car model probably flicker at different rate so it looks like they are going in and out of phase. and 2 cars plus mine is in triplet form lol, sometimes I thought of it as two metronome playing at different bpm
Welp, I saw the thumbnail, saw the channel picture, then clicked. I was curious, as I knew Adam’s channel well (been following for years). I then saw the Sungazer link in the desc and realized you were his bandmate! Then, Adam’s comment cleared it up further. I’m so glad I clicked, because now I get my music theory fill twice as much now, with content just as good! Well done Shawn! You gained a new sub, this video was fantastic!
I must do a comment! For 2 reasons first of course you did a perfect balance video between emphaty and teaching and secondly by consequence you won a new subscriber. Hope as soon as possible that your channel raise fast! Thanks!
That beat around the ten minute mark sounded more musical with the click, and actually provided a context, rather than just sounding like awkward flams or something.
It's cool seeing videos like this crop up.....I was experimenting with similar concepts over a decade ago. Even compiled a long list of one-level nested tuplets. I think there is a strong future in music with "fragmented" durations, but as always there will have to be commonly used tropes (cliches) to become culturally significant on a larger scale
This video is actually really accessible and informational for something that seems pretty high faluting. I'm a dumb guitar player and I learned a lot.
You could definitely spin out the slow back beat 11-tuplet into a live version of Drunk! Also, playing Bird on the Wing is tripping me out, especially by the left foot!
For me the best way of doing polyrhythms is by spreading them across multiple instruments, each playing different subdivisions, and drums being the instrument which merges these clashing parts together
this is amazing. your effort and production value should earn you well over a million subs! how you're at 10k is beyond me. awesome job, liked and subscribed
Holy shit Shawn I'm freaking out. This is so cool and has my heart doing polyrhythms out of sheer excitement. Thank you so much, I love this kind of thorough explanation. Thank you. Thank you.
there's train tracks going through our city (that i've lived in my whole life), with 2 bells that play just like this whenever a train's passing by... interesting how it all comes back around to this, i guess you could say that was my first experience with polyrhythms :D
I think Jacob started out with a 7͏:11 polyrhythm and subdivided the 7's into triplets and the 11's into double time. So it's like doing 7:͏11 but with a nested 3:͏2 or smth like that.
just being a hobby table drummer for years i can say that i randomly made higher n, n/n-1 beats, of course with errors. and i can agree on the concept that the delay between both increases, reaches a maximum where you have simply double your inital bpm, then the delay decreases until they match another again.
Hello I’m your friendly neighborhood saxophone player! I’ve been watching Adam Neely for a while now and now I’m subbed to you (whether or not you make an AN but drums channel). Keep up the good work and keep inspiring younger musicians!
I've done stuff like this before in the shower. My phone would play music, and I would beat box another beat to it but then go out of beat and eventually catch up the song on my phone. 7:15 Good explanation!
Nice stuff man. I'd love to hear about your practice routine, as a drummer whos into similar stuff as you but not at your level yet obviously. Stuff like what you do to keep your hands in shape, coordination stuff, and bass drum technique, drummers to transcribe. Okay I guess ill go practice now
1. Do you recommend Bounce Metronome to help learn and internalise polyrhythms? ( wondering if it’s worth purchasing) 2. I may have misunderstood you , but in my experience, it seems like a person could be able to focus on 2 distinct rhythms at the same time , or - perhaps more accurately ( experientially ) - that you ( ie overarching consciousness ) can notice / perceive both respective distinct rhythmical awarenesses. I mean here ( hear ) - play 3 against 2 . Ok . 1. You ( overarching awareness dude ) can perceive the whole unique 3:2 sound pattern and sound { ‘one two and three } 2. You can switch back and forth and focus on the 2 and then on the 3 or 3. Over time , you can touch the consciousness of both consciousnesses .
I've only managed to learn 2:3 and 3:4 because both have been used everywhere since forever. But other than that I never could learn any polyrhythm. Thanks for the video!
I absolutely LOVE what you said at 08:14. What do we do with this? Should we implement this? HOW should we implement this? I say that it should NOT be implemented, but if someone does have a little heart set on implementing anything beyond what is easily managed physically, then electronic instruments, multitracks, and the like, should be used. Composers like John Cage have introduced MUCH, MUCH easier clock-based ways of executing unconventional successions of notes. There are better ways to spend one's time than pursuing the physical playing of such ridiculously subtle rhythmic activity. Good composers and arrangers will NEVER run out of interesting things to do with just seven diatonic notes and simple rhythms, because there are MANY, MANY THINGS that can be done melodically and harmonically. We needn't feel that unconventional successions of notes occurring over the course of time t is a necessary pursuit to keeping music interesting.
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Looks like Adam Neely and I had the same idea this week. I shot this last weekend before seeing his video. Editing/graphics/gummies took forever, so just uploading now. But funny to see similarities & differences, almost down to the same jokes... I guess playing in bands together for 10 years will do that. Enjoy this drummer's perspective on the subject!
Best TH-cam couple
You even use the same fonts
Honestly, I love Adams videos but this was a really really excellent video and more that just complimenting Adam's it gave a really good insight into the topic
Yall got the same profile picture and edit your videos the same way. I'm on to you sungazer punks. This isn't a coincidence it's a gosh darn dang sundangledgazer conspiracy. You boys are in cahoots and the general public knows it.
You two make a great tuplet :)
Content: 10/10
Explanation: 10/10
Skills: 10/10
Notes: 21/22
Nice joke
More like 22/21.
And a Ben levin and justice cow
Well done man, you made me laugh out loud alone in front of my computer, which very rarely happens! :D
Agreed, wasn't quite there
damn dude. this is so good!
EDIT: to people saying that our TH-cam videos are similar...its almost as if we lived together for 5 years and have played together for over a decade.
I've learned a lot from Shawn, and gleefully steal from him at every opportunity I can.
Sorry, Adam. I’m leaving you for your bandmate💔
Sawyer Smith his drumming and TH-cam game is too strong.
Don’t worry, I’ll still come back for occasional late night flings with your videos
Better than yours no offense
Alessandro Cavallaro Alright lets take a step back now
I can't wait for Sungazer Vol 3 with its 99:100 polyrhythm and Ben Levin M&M solo
I need a Ben Levin M&M composition now.
Would you care for a budget version
The timing of the upload just looks like you saw a bassist talk about rhythm and went "Oh, that's adorable".
Nyuu3 I laughed for too long at this
Anki Be nice. Bassists are people too.
OMG. best comment. :)
Bob o'Brien no we’re not!
im a bassist myself and i find this funny
99 against 100 sounds like my begginer drummer friend trying to play fast singles
I don't even play drums but once i played 24 against 79.
I was drunk also.
How about that?
asmo deus proof?
Since we've re-classified this type of playing as advanced polyrhythms, your friend is a virtuoso now!
Here are a few video ideas for you
1. Metric modulation
2.Rhythmic displacements
3.Tuplet based swings
4.Microrhythms
5.Indian rhythmic compositions(Tihaia , Korvais etc)
Yes,
Yes,
Yes,
Yes,
Yes
And when you bend the pitch, but adjust the tempo in the other direction.
@@noslowerdna Metal does this quite often. The pitch bends down, the tempo speeds up.
I was so ready for this to be an Adam Neely rip and I’m so glad it’s not. Excellent video - currently living the percussionist’s wet dream of two different polyrhythm videos in one week
That groove on the ride is perfect for Sungazer
Aidan Xavier actually waiting a song with that beat
Agree. Without hearing the keyboard phrases which inspired the ride polyrhythm, you can see it feels not at all forced or odd, but an added subtle texture on the drum. Not in your face solo. Not filigree (great work). I would use the term texture to describe the new option on the rhythmic palette of the piece. I may seek out the full track at some point, but I get the idea.
This is an amazing video, thank you and excellent work!
Your video was what helped me (a non musician/amateur singer) manage to do a 3:4 polyrhythm with finger snapping hahaha thank you, your channel is really cool!
YES to Shawn Crowder making this kind of content!
I rate this 99/100
or 100/99?
The third way to conceptualize 21:22 (and the ending 99:100 especially) sounds a lot like phasing
yep! it's basically the same thing.
Came here to say this. On a big enough scale, you're basically Steve Reich'ing it... 😁
Since this is an adam neely for drums kind of channel, you need some audio tags saying ... "Drums!" at the end.
More like "Drum!", since "BASS!" is mainly a call to act
*BEATS!*
"DONK"
A vocoded snare drum.
I think "Go music!" is already perfect.
The groove you came up with (@9:40) is great! Very musical. 👍
Agree completely. It's basically a much more complex drunk/Dilla beat. (I think I spelled "Dilla" right.) I also really liked the ostinato he did, too.
Also, when I liked your comment it went from 21 to 22. That was too perfect
What I love about your teaching is that you teach in concepts rather than just teaching directly about something. I think that’s what sets you apart so much from other educators.
I actually really enjoy you aping Adam's style and giving it your own subtle spin. Very nice continuity between the two channels.
It was accidental. He said he shot the video last weekend before he saw Adam's.
@@BigDaddyWes Serendipitous, then. They should still continue it.
I think the 21 22 grooves you played were fucking awesome. Seriously. I want this shit in music. Like actual songs I can listen to.
Shawn. You're absolutely fantastic. Talk about a killer video with fantastic production from a good dude. Now I need to check out more of your stuff.
If you choose to become active on this platform with content like this, you'll go FLYING.
I was going to say that people need stop making videos on this but then I realized how valuable each unique perspective is and how it only really helps me gain a better understanding of the concepts to see everybody’s take on it. Good stuff man.
1 minute in and I already love this video style. You earned a sub!
Interesting approach for polyrhytms, I have been multiplying the factors, then hitting on them until I reach the product. Once i get a feel for the rhythm , i can increase the speed.
poly metrics and polyrhythmics are 2 different things. many people can play straight metrics against eachother. not many can play actual involved rhythms against eachother without alot of practice. great vid!
I'm sensing a trend here.
Ben Levin is basically clickbait you shoulda put him in the thumbnail
I’ve been trying to get a better grip on timing as a basic guitarist. Never cared much for most of my 68 years. Your awesome videos was like an epiphany to me. Thank you. Btw, loved Zappa when I first heard him in the 70s. Wish he was still with us but his music, black pages and all, always will be.
He still is, hologram concerts and unreleased demos are keeping his dream alive
The way you presented with candy and the drum sticks was quite brilliant. Very well done.
your 21/22 rhythm in the 9min is actually awesome
See Shawn Crowder teaching Shawn Crowder = Instant subscribe
....that accent ride shit is so easy to think of, but absolutely killer to watch you execute it. Wonderful vid, my friend.
I love the red dot next to Rec is blinking in time
Oh man this is so good. That last version of 21:22 was right on the edge of my rhythmic comprehension, like I could tell there was a groove but couldn't quite feel it.
Dude this was fantastic. It's given me a much better appreciation of how complex rhythm can be. I'm feeling pretty inspired right now.
Also, the quality of your videos is on-point.
Man if you like this listen to some tool. If you're not into that kind of music give it a listen anyway, because the drummer is known for putting complex polyrythyms and syncopation that still sound organic and natural.
Try with Triad
@@asmodeus9075 I've been an avid Tool fan for years. They're pretty amazing.
So whenever my unison strokes become sloppy and turn into a single stroke roll I need to practice more but whenever Jacob Collier does it its musical genius...
i taught myself how to play a 2:4:5 polyrhythm on one hand, and i think this video is very informative
nice to see a drummers view on this... its cool to see the drummer and bassist give differne vies on this!
Great video. During your play of the 21 against 22 I could hear a big ole trombone or something brassy kinda like that blasting thru. yeah daddiooo.
...stumbled upon this...couldn't subscribe to Shawn's channel fast enough... brain bomb material...so kindly broken down... epic Mike Mangini photage!
That first musical example is a phat beat! Super nice!
I was going to suggest playing whatever ratio your like to dislike was but it's honestly too much at this point. loved this!
Ever since i found out about Sungazer i cant stop listening. You are truly an awesome inspiration to practice my techniques and get my chops up!
You don't need to make an Adam Neely for drums channel. You're rocking your own thing and I hope you keep it up.
Missed an opportunity by not making the video 21:22 long
I still subbed though
Now this was INTENSE
This channel needs more subscribers. So many more
so cool that both adam and you talk about this stuff, so I can understand sungazer's songs
This is amazing, this guy needs like 1 more million subs
this video just remind me of left turn lane when there are 1 or 2 cars ahead of me and had their signal light on, but due to turn on at a slightly off time and each car model probably flicker at different rate so it looks like they are going in and out of phase. and 2 cars plus mine is in triplet form lol,
sometimes I thought of it as two metronome playing at different bpm
Child custody ended with Adam Neely
Now Shawn Crowder is my TH-cam dad
Bro I've been in love with Adam Neely for years but this is the first video of yours I've ever seen and I'm fuckin converted.
Love it
Welp, I saw the thumbnail, saw the channel picture, then clicked. I was curious, as I knew Adam’s channel well (been following for years). I then saw the Sungazer link in the desc and realized you were his bandmate! Then, Adam’s comment cleared it up further. I’m so glad I clicked, because now I get my music theory fill twice as much now, with content just as good!
Well done Shawn! You gained a new sub, this video was fantastic!
I must do a comment! For 2 reasons first of course you did a perfect balance video between emphaty and teaching and secondly by consequence you won a new subscriber. Hope as soon as possible that your channel raise fast!
Thanks!
That beat around the ten minute mark sounded more musical with the click, and actually provided a context, rather than just sounding like awkward flams or something.
Well explained, and a solid example of balancing music with music theory
Takes shit to the next level, best youtube music week
It's cool seeing videos like this crop up.....I was experimenting with similar concepts over a decade ago. Even compiled a long list of one-level nested tuplets. I think there is a strong future in music with "fragmented" durations, but as always there will have to be commonly used tropes (cliches) to become culturally significant on a larger scale
Holy FUCK, that slower drum beat you came up with towards end is so sick. Subscribed and swoon.
This video is actually really accessible and informational for something that seems pretty high faluting. I'm a dumb guitar player and I learned a lot.
I absolutely love your videos.
You do a really great job of showing the actual process of learning music.
Great vid Shawn! You can really see you and Adam influence eachother in terms of editing and explaining.
Love your content and drumming so much, Shawn! You're a huge inspiration to me!
i think it's important to mention the guy from mexico city playing 7 against 11 at 7:11 on 7/11 outside a 7-11
You could definitely spin out the slow back beat 11-tuplet into a live version of Drunk! Also, playing Bird on the Wing is tripping me out, especially by the left foot!
that's a really good video!! musically speaking, but also entertaining, well produced, well explained. congrats!!!
Dude are you kidding me? This video is so well made
For me the best way of doing polyrhythms is by spreading them across multiple instruments, each playing different subdivisions, and drums being the instrument which merges these clashing parts together
this is amazing. your effort and production value should earn you well over a million subs! how you're at 10k is beyond me. awesome job, liked and subscribed
I love how you explain these cool rhythmic ideas!! Very cool video!!👍👍👍
I was literally thinking of this exact video and then it showed up in my feed. TH-cam is reading my mind.
I was taught the breakdown how to learn polyrhythms but without candy. Damn it!
that first example where you filled the gaps with 16th note double kicks. It's ideal for a prog deathcore outro in a breakdown form.
Now I understand the "Under The Pressure" intro by The War On Drugs!
Holy shit Shawn I'm freaking out. This is so cool and has my heart doing polyrhythms out of sheer excitement. Thank you so much, I love this kind of thorough explanation. Thank you. Thank you.
there's train tracks going through our city (that i've lived in my whole life), with 2 bells that play just like this whenever a train's passing by... interesting how it all comes back around to this, i guess you could say that was my first experience with polyrhythms :D
I love how in this version of dream of mahjong has a lot more drums in it
this is super useful to know nobody can intuitively subdivide these on the fly, I was using methods like in the video and assumed I was cheating
Well-explained, excellently produced, informative, non-pretentious video! You have gained a subscriber and fan! Cheers from Savannah! 👍👍🍻
Thanks for being so clear on how it's impossible to hear both at once! Maybe I can finally start believing I've mastered 4:3, at least...
I think Jacob started out with a 7͏:11 polyrhythm and subdivided the 7's into triplets and the 11's into double time.
So it's like doing 7:͏11 but with a nested 3:͏2 or smth like that.
Ends up sounding just like Trilok Gurtu! Cool
The editing on this is glorious !
just being a hobby table drummer for years i can say that i randomly made higher n, n/n-1 beats, of course with errors. and i can agree on the concept that the delay between both increases, reaches a maximum where you have simply double your inital bpm, then the delay decreases until they match another again.
Hello I’m your friendly neighborhood saxophone player! I’ve been watching Adam Neely for a while now and now I’m subbed to you (whether or not you make an AN but drums channel). Keep up the good work and keep inspiring younger musicians!
I've done stuff like this before in the shower. My phone would play music, and I would beat box another beat to it but then go out of beat and eventually catch up the song on my phone.
7:15 Good explanation!
Great video shawn. Thank you for making this awesome video.
Church bells! It sounds like bells going in and out of phase with each other.
this video is GREAT thank you ♥ especially becouse i've been looking into this theme A LOT this last couple of months
God damn man! 😀 Just the sheer effort of playing all of this 😂😂😂 mad props! 🙌
Nice stuff man. I'd love to hear about your practice routine, as a drummer whos into similar stuff as you but not at your level yet obviously. Stuff like what you do to keep your hands in shape, coordination stuff, and bass drum technique, drummers to transcribe. Okay I guess ill go practice now
1. Do you recommend Bounce Metronome to help learn and internalise polyrhythms? ( wondering if it’s worth purchasing)
2. I may have misunderstood you , but in my experience, it seems like a person could be able to focus on 2 distinct rhythms at the same time , or - perhaps more accurately ( experientially ) - that you ( ie overarching consciousness ) can notice / perceive both respective distinct rhythmical awarenesses. I mean here ( hear ) - play 3 against 2 . Ok . 1. You ( overarching awareness dude ) can perceive the whole unique 3:2 sound pattern and sound { ‘one two and three }
2. You can switch back and forth and focus on the 2 and then on the 3
or
3. Over time , you can touch the consciousness of both consciousnesses .
Literally learnt 5:3 and 7:5 (omw to 7:11 nice) in a matter of two weeks thanks to this video
A guest in and NO ONE has mentioned polyrhythms are the IRL application of lowest common multiples?!
Great explanation with gummies and candy too.
Japanese in a year is in my recommendations this time with a different channel. Nice!
Holy shitbags. You're killing it. Great demo! Sounds so cool. Thank you. Steve.
You are freaking great man. Thank you for the videos.
I've only managed to learn 2:3 and 3:4 because both have been used everywhere since forever. But other than that I never could learn any polyrhythm. Thanks for the video!
This is awesome, I'd love to see more of this kind of content
I absolutely LOVE what you said at 08:14. What do we do with this? Should we implement this? HOW should we implement this? I say that it should NOT be implemented, but if someone does have a little heart set on implementing anything beyond what is easily managed physically, then electronic instruments, multitracks, and the like, should be used. Composers like John Cage have introduced MUCH, MUCH easier clock-based ways of executing unconventional successions of notes. There are better ways to spend one's time than pursuing the physical playing of such ridiculously subtle rhythmic activity. Good composers and arrangers will NEVER run out of interesting things to do with just seven diatonic notes and simple rhythms, because there are MANY, MANY THINGS that can be done melodically and harmonically. We needn't feel that unconventional successions of notes occurring over the course of time t is a necessary pursuit to keeping music interesting.
Loved the ostinato example
This crossover made me so happy hahahaha