Ranking your polyrhythms

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  • @AdamNeely
    @AdamNeely  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1682

    lol, apparently 21:37 is a poland meme, we didn't know that. we just thought somebody was listing large numbers to be an idiot. Sorry poland

    • @whitemeadowsounds7198
      @whitemeadowsounds7198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      Tbh it is a pretty trash meme. But we love it anyway. You have to forgive us this one!

    • @EriFluff
      @EriFluff 3 ปีที่แล้ว +205

      21:37 symbolizes time when Pope John Paul II died, but our nation is wierd and we meme it

    • @DamianDrummer
      @DamianDrummer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      It deserves F tier anyway

    • @Malkovith2
      @Malkovith2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      @@EriFluff Pope memes used to trigger polish people to extraordinary measures (doxing, death threats), so it became a popular meme. At this point it kind of has the Rick Roll status - not as a prank perhaps, but rather as something obviously very old and overused but still gets you every time.

    • @wilkw3
      @wilkw3 3 ปีที่แล้ว +127

      For those who are interested: 21:37 (9:37pm) is the time Pope John Paul 2 died. Because he is being worshiped like crazy in Poland, the internet counterculture started to mock him to troll people and 2137 is one of the most popular pope meme out there

  • @BlackWhiteCloud
    @BlackWhiteCloud 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3352

    So Shawn really is the one person to use %100 of his brain to count time signatures...

    • @JoseIgnacioZapata
      @JoseIgnacioZapata 3 ปีที่แล้ว +108

      I Think it's more like he has additional brains just to process what his limbs do, like octopuses

    • @hansdumbf7608
      @hansdumbf7608 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      Well, he's a Drummer... So i am pretty sure he needs 100% of his brain to count.

    • @tomvesely4008
      @tomvesely4008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Gavin Harrison actually has this 'cpu' analogy to playing: if you need to use 100% of your cpu, you need to simplify. When you have the skill down, you are able to focus on other things: dynamics, locking in with other musicians and so on.

    • @juicedelemon
      @juicedelemon 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah only 25% brain is enough to count them

    • @joelkulesha8284
      @joelkulesha8284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I gurantee I'm the only person to use -100% of my brain to count.

  • @Syffsy
    @Syffsy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +802

    imo a lot of polyrhythms sound more musical when they're "flipped", so the two rhythms meet on the backbeat instead of the downbeat.

    • @ethanbrink2957
      @ethanbrink2957 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      I've never thought of that. Interesting

    • @perpetualgrimace
      @perpetualgrimace 3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Oh that sounds cool. Any examples of this in music off the top of your head?

    • @noslowerdna
      @noslowerdna 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Good idea

    • @sega.milkis
      @sega.milkis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Whooooa, I gotta try thattt

    • @hugohaande6711
      @hugohaande6711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@perpetualgrimace 10.000 days by tool is a good example of a flipped 3:2 polyrhythm

  • @kel9490
    @kel9490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1660

    Playing polyrhythms on the drums is so impressive it’s so cool that he can do that

    • @Henrix1998
      @Henrix1998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      I'd argue playing polyrhythms with guitar or piano is much harder

    • @steamedbryce
      @steamedbryce 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

      @@Henrix1998 Still impressive regardless of instrument

    • @theyescapedtheweightofdarkness
      @theyescapedtheweightofdarkness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@Henrix1998 depends on how you play it

    • @kel9490
      @kel9490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Henrix1998 yeah you’re probably right but it’s still really impressive

    • @netiosys4677
      @netiosys4677 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Read it as if you were being sarcastic

  • @graf
    @graf 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1989

    21:37 is the one polyrhythm you cannot slander

    • @Malkovith2
      @Malkovith2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +267

      I don't think Adam realizes the significance of this polyrhythm

    • @ktowietenzna
      @ktowietenzna 3 ปีที่แล้ว +138

      Adam should ask John Paul II. He knows about it a lot!

    • @jakubszwarc1916
      @jakubszwarc1916 3 ปีที่แล้ว +310

      21:37, also known as the ''yellow'' interval

    • @tacocatpoopracecarpooptacocat
      @tacocatpoopracecarpooptacocat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +556

      i really was stupid enough to click the timestamp

    • @hamza12ism
      @hamza12ism 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@tacocatpoopracecarpooptacocat lol me too

  • @scraps7624
    @scraps7624 3 ปีที่แล้ว +241

    Man Shawn is like a rhythm cyborg, I can't even begin to imagine how much practice he has put into his craft

    • @alldud13
      @alldud13 ปีที่แล้ว

      ask any drummer most of it is feeling the rhythm

  • @lovedeluxe2154
    @lovedeluxe2154 3 ปีที่แล้ว +547

    6:47, ah, so now I can have BESPOKE POLYRHYTHMS to go alongside my PRO LEVEL CHORDS

    • @stephendonovan9084
      @stephendonovan9084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      would you like to buy 6:9?

    • @thescarymoosh
      @thescarymoosh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      You are now A D V A N C E D

    • @iamathousandapples
      @iamathousandapples 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      i like the way the man kicked the ball

    • @janmelantu7490
      @janmelantu7490 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@stephendonovan9084 not nearly as PRO LEVEL as 18:27

    • @stephendonovan9084
      @stephendonovan9084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@janmelantu7490 sorry m’lord my contribution was junior-level at most
      i think what you are doing is great

  • @rasmusn.e.m1064
    @rasmusn.e.m1064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +749

    Polyrhythms to me are what polymers are also to me. The things that stopped me from getting good at music and biochemistry.

    • @esser7678
      @esser7678 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      th-cam.com/video/EMtX-P8EuEw/w-d-xo.html simple like inca inca momma

    • @rishabsrivatsa8919
      @rishabsrivatsa8919 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ok

    • @RepentInReprise
      @RepentInReprise 2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      The same can then be said about polynomials in mathematics!

    • @rishabsrivatsa8919
      @rishabsrivatsa8919 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RepentInReprise polynomials and polymers are completely different from polyrhythms, do you not realise this

    • @DatHombre
      @DatHombre 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@rishabsrivatsa8919 Do you even English?

  • @HofTheStage
    @HofTheStage 3 ปีที่แล้ว +385

    Because of this video I'm looking for a home to buy, thanks guys

  • @seandaly2211
    @seandaly2211 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I saw this video a month ago and didn't realize until just rewatching it now that I was the one to recommend 5:7 at 1:47! Super stoked to be part of the vid! Keep doing what ur doing Adam and Shawn!

  • @michaelmckinnie
    @michaelmckinnie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I was eating breakfast and looked up right at 10:11 and saw you both staring directly into my soul. Thanks as always for another great video!

  • @MattyPanda
    @MattyPanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    Shawn's 13:12 example is basically a Purdie shuffle with a little extra spice to keep you on your toes, which I dig.

    • @wids
      @wids 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      I clicked this 3 times trying to skip to the segment lol

    • @sausas8209
      @sausas8209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      1312 = ACAB

    • @fittogan
      @fittogan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      @@sausas8209 based polyrhythm?!?

    • @hedgechasing
      @hedgechasing 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      actual time stamp is 5:54 for the record

    • @jwaj
      @jwaj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hedgechasing thanks mom

  • @DorianDeLuca
    @DorianDeLuca 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    These guys have so much charisma. The seemingly nearly effortless way that Crowder intuits so many of what are, to me, preposterously complex polyrhythms is such a joy to watch.

  • @TheHadMatters
    @TheHadMatters 3 ปีที่แล้ว +162

    I can guarantee everyone who watched this would have liked the samples to be 400% longer. Just my 2c for any similar future videos with a similar elementary subject matter where a lot of different categories of the same thing get listed.

    • @nicktomato7
      @nicktomato7 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      yeah, it’s super hard for me to get a feel for an unfamiliar rhythm when there’s only 1 or maybe 2 cycles of it

  • @sihplak
    @sihplak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    I personally like 5:11 (the polyrhythm not the timestamp) a lot because it feels like the super-particular 5:6, but you delay when it moves forward a beat by one beat.

    • @user-et3xn2jm1u
      @user-et3xn2jm1u 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I generally like, if it's going to get into higher numbers, to have one number significantly smaller than the other. 7/2 better than 7/4, 11/5 better than something like 13/12. Idk, it feels like you have more room for expression in the gaps.

    • @sihplak
      @sihplak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@user-et3xn2jm1u I agree; I think it's because you get rhythmic interest in the contrast of density. With lower super-particular relations, e.g. 3:2, 5:4, each number is, from a human perspective, of a more tangibly different scale, whereas with larger cases like 13:12 it's not so much the case, and especially with super-particular cases that get above, say, probably around 17 where the difference is ~5%. or less.
      But anyways, with larger distances between numbers when one side is fairly sizable, you do get a marked contrast that creates a more interesting sound. I like 5:11 a lot especially insofar as it's basically just a more complex 5:3. If you're playing each metronomically, to go from 5:3 to 5:6, you play every other beat of the group of 5. From there, if you just delay every time you come in with the beats in the group of 5 by one beat from the group of 6, the group of 6 becomes a group of 11, and I think this works out because 11 is one greater than a multiple of 5, or in other words, is a super-particular of a multiple of 5 (being 10). As such, there's a really clear and intuitive pattern going on that forms the polyrhythmic idea, which I think ends up feeling really satisfying.

    • @marshallgrey2159
      @marshallgrey2159 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      "musically that might be interesting, right?"

    • @valentinasanchez5757
      @valentinasanchez5757 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do you know if Radiohead uses polyrythm in some of their songs?

    • @sihplak
      @sihplak 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@valentinasanchez5757 They use polymeters in some of their songs; Let Down and Lotus Flower both has a prominent group of 5 played in songs that are otherwise in 4/4. Let Down's electric guitar pattern is in 5/8 but the song is in 4/4, and in Lotus Flower the clapping pattern at the start is also (primarily) in 5/8 while the rest of the music is in 4/4. I can't think of polyrhythms specifically though.

  • @linksysKOW
    @linksysKOW 3 ปีที่แล้ว +282

    I think it's gonna be lost on a lot of people how good of a drummer this guy is.

    • @blaiseutube
      @blaiseutube 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Yes, most of us assume he's an Android.

    • @martifingers
      @martifingers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      You think? As a non-drummer these skills, so casually exercised, seem almost impossible.

    • @mmmanutd
      @mmmanutd 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      No, not at all lmao. Anyone who knows anything about music knows how hard it is to play two different time signatures at once

    • @jwlsiee
      @jwlsiee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i mean not to the audience of this channel

    • @anonymousposter6461
      @anonymousposter6461 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mmmanutd it's not really two entire time signatures, just two beats. still fucking hard though lol

  • @serrisdaylor1015
    @serrisdaylor1015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'd just assumed the person submitting 13:12 was making an ACAB reference lol, but it sounded pretty legit! I'm still getting a hang of basic polyrhythms, but I really like 7:3

  • @TommyMaqueenie
    @TommyMaqueenie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Love the chill chaotic energy of this video

  • @YannSelka
    @YannSelka 3 ปีที่แล้ว +320

    The coolest thing about 6:5:4:3:2:1 is when you speed it up, you get a major chord :) Although that's also true for 5:3:1 or some other combination

    • @AustralopithecineXen
      @AustralopithecineXen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      I agree with you on that one. Really any polyrhythm can be also interpreted as a JI chord or dyad. In a lot of ways, the consonance of a chord/dyad in just intonation corresponds to the ease of interpretation of a polyrhythm expressed with the same ratio. For instance, 3:2 can express both the perfect fifth and the most easily appreciated of the polyrhythms.

    • @amitshakhar7575
      @amitshakhar7575 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      בואנה יאן

    • @Akiak7
      @Akiak7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Among Sus

    • @thenix0389
      @thenix0389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Someone here watched that Jacob Collier's short

    • @thornels
      @thornels 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ok jacob collier 🙂

  • @spencerj
    @spencerj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I absolutely love this celebration and hyper focus on polyrhythms. Ranking them definitely feels like rating keys, but I still really love this whole video

  • @whoawtf7419
    @whoawtf7419 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Would love to see more tier lists like this, awesome idea.

  • @olivierpeartnoy
    @olivierpeartnoy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    7:6 was my favorite actually. Some of the others are too weird for me but that one is the perfect blend between complicated and groovy.

  • @piotrnowacki9687
    @piotrnowacki9687 3 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    Adam casually disrespecting the nation of Poland by putting 21:37 in the trash tier.

    • @brbt7282
      @brbt7282 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yeah, they should play whole track in 21:37 as an apology.

    • @villentretenmerth11
      @villentretenmerth11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Jazz Barka in 21:37

  • @infinitygasmask
    @infinitygasmask 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Huge fan I’m a 17 year old drummer from LA and you helped me a lot
    Thank you so much

  • @magulloff3577
    @magulloff3577 3 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    2:54 the Polish reference Adam did not get xD

    • @kofiLjunggren
      @kofiLjunggren 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Explain pls

    • @tentacles3851
      @tentacles3851 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@kofiLjunggren 21:37 is the hour when pope John Paul II died. it became a meme because Polish people really, REALLY worship him (there's a John Paul II street and school in most cities, and there are around 800 statues of him) so people wanted to make fun of that by making pope memes, 21:37 being one of them. eventually, it stopped annoying most people, but people are making fun of him to this day

    • @MichaeloStarzioni
      @MichaeloStarzioni 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@kofiLjunggren it's a very old meme dating back to old polish imageboard karachan (it was like a Polish 4Chan)
      It was a way to comment on the mindless cult Pope John Paul II has in Poland to this day. Images and videos with his face tinted yellow ("żółta morda" - "the yellow face") and the hour of his death 21:37 caused outrage time and time again and became the perfect trolling material.

  • @whitemeadowsounds7198
    @whitemeadowsounds7198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    I mean, 21:37 polyrythm is just a way of paying respect to a brilliant man, polish pope, Jovano Paulo Secundo

    • @JacobLukasiewicz
      @JacobLukasiewicz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeaaaa, all Polish people knows that numbers, better than their birthdate xd

    • @brbt7282
      @brbt7282 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The biggest of the poles

    • @ApexHerbivore
      @ApexHerbivore 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If Polish then should say Jan Paweł drugi

    • @whitemeadowsounds7198
      @whitemeadowsounds7198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@ApexHerbivore Jan Paweł Drugi was ready to boogie

    • @ApexHerbivore
      @ApexHerbivore 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whitemeadowsounds7198 lol yeah he was

  • @guillaumepreudhomme4800
    @guillaumepreudhomme4800 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    13 16 is not only the best polyrhythms but also a phenomenal time signature

  • @internetic2496
    @internetic2496 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I did not expect to see this video today

  • @dj_laundry_list
    @dj_laundry_list 3 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    5:7 is technically the septimal tritone, or septimal diminished 5th. Not to be confused with the 12-tone equal tempered tritone (√2)

    • @dj_laundry_list
      @dj_laundry_list 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The latter is the only one that's truly satanic, IMO

    • @enderkoregameing8090
      @enderkoregameing8090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I knew it sounded not exactly correct when adam called it that

    • @jamesuMusic
      @jamesuMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Thanks, I was looking for the "nerdier than adam" thread

    • @diegovillacrez8349
      @diegovillacrez8349 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Everyone knows a tri tone is an augmented 4th not a diminished 5th.

    • @klovexthewolf
      @klovexthewolf 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@diegovillacrez8349 or maybe just maybe a tritone is a tritone wow insane mindblowing 🤯🤯🤯🤯

  • @1kayo
    @1kayo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My favorite polyrhythms of all time are
    2-3
    4-3
    They're just so energetic and bouncy

  • @rile7648
    @rile7648 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    7:20 this guy knows how to pick a good profile pic

  • @tothefinlandstation
    @tothefinlandstation 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I'd be curious to see an analysis of how accurately human musicians can play various polyrhythms. I'd bet there's a point of complexity where there's rapidly diminishing accuracy for even the best musicians.

    • @hatebreeder999
      @hatebreeder999 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Rapidly diminishing accuracy does occur thats why we have no polyrhythms like 29:31

  • @bartekbarwicki9276
    @bartekbarwicki9276 3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    21:37, also known as "JP2GMD polyrhythm" is actually a very well known one in traditional Polish music. It's named after Jan Paweł 2, famous Polish raper

    • @RedHair651
      @RedHair651 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lmao

    • @icecold5707
      @icecold5707 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lmao

    • @InventorZahran
      @InventorZahran 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      *raPPer. The second P is very important.

    • @gretchentruscott4274
      @gretchentruscott4274 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      aka JP2GMDMafia

    • @anwahwah7223
      @anwahwah7223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@InventorZahran I think the single p may have been intentional in this rappers case

  • @matthewbertrand4139
    @matthewbertrand4139 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    well i can't play the polyrhythm with you staring at me like that

  • @met-shuggah3845
    @met-shuggah3845 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Loving the lick in all those different polyrhythms

    • @JakeJMusic
      @JakeJMusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Had to scroll too far to see someone mention the lick lmao so good

  • @Audiojack_
    @Audiojack_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You guys should do more videos like this, I admire the combined musical skill, knowledge and understanding that you guys have.

  • @cranburiedsaul7239
    @cranburiedsaul7239 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    That’s the premium content TH-cam should be all about.

  • @brunonif4328
    @brunonif4328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Licc in the transitions got me laughing lmao

  • @AndyChamberlainMusic
    @AndyChamberlainMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    this is the best polyrhythm tier list I've seen in the past 72 hours

    • @leonwaves
      @leonwaves 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Is it the only one?

    • @AndyChamberlainMusic
      @AndyChamberlainMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@leonwaves as far as I know its the only one I've ever seen in my life
      but the last 72 hours are a part of my life

  • @argenteus8314
    @argenteus8314 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    14:9 (or 1:14:9) has a dark, tense sort of sound that would work well for horror (sci-fi horror especially, I feel like), with the right context (try putting a comb filter over it). On the weirder side, 3:Pi is interesting, although it would probably be difficult (though still possible) to really use it in a musical context, especially given that I'm not sure how well a human could perform it.

  • @mattkaz9604
    @mattkaz9604 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I can't believe you can just give this guy any numbers and he can play them without pausing to think. I'd cry trying to drum some of these weird ones.

  • @jonahdement4379
    @jonahdement4379 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:20 This talk about 13/12 showcases my favorite use of complex polyrhythms, the phasing effect. The band Leprous uses this a lot.

  • @hicalebih8902
    @hicalebih8902 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Everyone’s talking about the polyrhythms but no one’s talking about how smooth the transition was to their sponsor

  • @rhythmatician4411
    @rhythmatician4411 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The 6:5:4:3:2:1 polymeter (not polyrhythm) is a huge theme in Tool's Rosetta Stone for. Basically most of the 2nd half of the song is using this motiff.

  • @MaTTheWish
    @MaTTheWish ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My God! Shawn has those crazy polyrhythms in his back pocket.
    Insane..Master

  • @figloalds
    @figloalds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This tier list reminds me of Danny Carey 4-way polyrhythm in Pneuma, idk what it is, but it sounds great.

  • @qwerty_and_azerty
    @qwerty_and_azerty 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Shawn’s playing: god tier

  • @capabartz7380
    @capabartz7380 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Never thought I’d see Shawn playing the Purdie shuffle.

  • @Djacob_
    @Djacob_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr.Crowder will always be one of my favorite drummers. He truly has his own voice and I love his grooves.

  • @flamshiz
    @flamshiz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm amazed he can hear a polyrhythm he's not played before and just go "ok yeah"

  • @gabrielcarneiro7174
    @gabrielcarneiro7174 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    this video was so wholesome! Very nice to see you just chatting!!

  • @evanbelcher
    @evanbelcher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just nasty that Shawn can pull all of these off

    • @TRTSMTT
      @TRTSMTT 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's his thing. He does polyrhythms for a living.

  • @principals16842
    @principals16842 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man, I'm so late to this video. One of the trickier polyrhythms I have ever seen in music is near the end the first of the Trois Danses by Jehan Alain (a brilliant French organist who was killed in WWII at age 29 by German soldiers). There is a 7:3 polyrhythm between the RH and LH, then a few duplets and 16ths thrown into the LH, then a 5:7:3 polyrhythm between the RH:LH:Pedal, and finally 5:14:6 (basically a 5:6:7 polyrhythm with the 7-lets double-timed). I'm not sure how accurately anybody can really play it, though Shawn probably could, if he took up organ! I think you have to get outside your head, make sure you push through enough notes on all your appendages, and line things up where you can. I won't post a direct link, but if you search on "Jehan Alain" and "Trois Danses" and "score", you can go to 6m 26s to see the sheet music and listen to the fun.

  • @Iwatoda_Dorm
    @Iwatoda_Dorm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hmm… i never thought about this kind of music theory before, guess this is what makes the math rock genre?

    • @chromaticswing9199
      @chromaticswing9199 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      These things make up the more proggy/jazz inspired side of the subgenre. Most straight ahead math rock simply cut or lengthen phrases to make them sound cool. Prog tends to sound sophisticated and cerebral whereas math rock tends to sound visceral and passionate imho
      In other words, prog rock is like a classical or jazz musician dad making rock, whereas math rock is like a punk kid trying to emulate their dad with their little garage band.

    • @markop.1994
      @markop.1994 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Different genres use different polyrhythm/polymeters. 3:2 is used in classical all the time, as well as rock, metal and pop (carol of the bells). Same with 3:4 (Kashmir- led zeppelin).
      I dont know of any pop or rock music that uses 5:3 i wouldnt put it past math rock or the djent-ers.
      If im not mistaken Swarm by Meshuggah does a 6:9 thing (alongside other polymeters)
      I know there are traditional African rhythms that utilize many that i havnt mentioned (7:3 for example)
      The major hangup is that only the composers or theorist should prolly be thinkin about the ratios, for example 3:2
      On paper usually is dotted quarter notes against quarter notes in 6/8, altho the ratio can be used many ways.

  • @bmprrr
    @bmprrr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    MORE SUCH SUNGAZER NERDY CONTENT!!! actually it's really hard to follow it sometimes but it's really exciting

  • @leonwaves
    @leonwaves 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Project JDM’s first name is actually Project, not Jairo

  • @tompw3141
    @tompw3141 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Shawn's abilities are S tier

  • @Tricker1266
    @Tricker1266 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    99:100 polyrhythm actually makes me think of Sofi Needs A Ladder by Deadmau5. If you listen to the synth lead in the beginning you can hear it. It's probably not actually 99:100, but it sounds very similar and is actually a really cool intro.

    • @darwinwatterson4568
      @darwinwatterson4568 ปีที่แล้ว

      holy shoot i havent actually listened to this before so thank you :O

  • @nopetellingnothing45
    @nopetellingnothing45 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    that transition to the ad was golden

  • @pyrokinetikrlz
    @pyrokinetikrlz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I saw this video first in Nebula, which is a better platform for content creators than youtube. Great polyrhythms!

  • @willmakesfilms
    @willmakesfilms 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the coordinated "ay" for 6:9 and the staring at the camera at the end make this vid great

  • @dvdroshin
    @dvdroshin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hey Adam, I'm so so curious since It's not exactly in your wheelhouse... would love to see analysis on the use of dissonance as the main compositional device in some "dissodeath" bands, namely Gorguts, Ulcerate, Pyrrhon, Flourishing, and Ad Nauseam. Maybe even Jute Gyte if you're willing to dive into the microtonal world.

    • @lt3880
      @lt3880 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      If youre not already subscribed to Metal Music Theory's channel you should be

  • @pikardy
    @pikardy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Cool party tricks that you can’t actually do anything with” says Sungazer

  • @Hababa2
    @Hababa2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:4 will always be my favorite, like 2:3 it's very versatile but I feel like 3:4 is just better.

  • @posic3073
    @posic3073 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perfectly got caught into an inescapable ad at the end. The suspense was too good

  • @stitch3163
    @stitch3163 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Shawn always blows me away with his ability.

  • @jerrythealien93
    @jerrythealien93 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the prolonged eye contact at the end really made this one foe me

  • @crimsonhawk52
    @crimsonhawk52 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    3:5 is in debussy's isle of joy, pretty dope there

  • @danielmcelroy4505
    @danielmcelroy4505 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The profound statement into the ad break was genuinely funny

  • @AndyChamberlainMusic
    @AndyChamberlainMusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    project jdm is indeed the one

    • @leonwaves
      @leonwaves 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes he is

  • @qwgar
    @qwgar 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video feels like musical standup comedians adlibing. Theres something absurd about this video and i love it

  • @John_Fman
    @John_Fman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    me when incognito mode 5:45

    • @helloolleh4861
      @helloolleh4861 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought I was the only one lmfao

  • @jessekaw409
    @jessekaw409 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't understand a word you're saying, but I enjoy you talking about music. Thanks for the vid!

  • @wickethewok
    @wickethewok 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Question for Adam and Shawn in a similar vein... how do people learn to play something with phasing, like Steve Reich's "Drumming"? It seems impossible to play at only a SLIGHTLY different tempo than other performers.

    • @ashlyy1341
      @ashlyy1341 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      i think that depends on how your brain is wired. some people can actively listen to someone they're able to offset themselves from (via lots of practice) and others need to /not/ listen to their fellow performer to get the phasing right

    • @ponsoroponsoro2431
      @ponsoroponsoro2431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I learned Drumming by ear, which is also how it was conceived. I found it was not as hard as it seemed, but of course requires practice. For me it was slightly more difficult to ”stay” than to ”phase”. A lot of fun to play, to be sure. And as for listening or not, I had to listen a lot to my phasing partner, or rather intently listen to the sum of our playing to the point where I sometimes was not sure which hands were making what sound.

    • @wickethewok
      @wickethewok 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ponsoroponsoro2431 Neat! Playing together but not knowing which of the sounds are yours sounds very trippy

    • @ponsoroponsoro2431
      @ponsoroponsoro2431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wickethewok Trippy is correct, in the second part (marimbas and voices) a friend of mine kept hearing what he referred to as ”singing gnomes”.
      th-cam.com/video/Qg3otbM2vGg/w-d-xo.html Here’s a rendition of Part 1 that we recorded. I’m not phasing, my excellent former colleagues are. The first phasing occurs between 1.30-2.17 and is very smooth and consistant if you ask me. The hardest part in this first phasing is imho to resist the temptation to ”snap” to the next beat too quickly after passing the middle (middle being where the beats fall perfectly in between each other).

  • @440vocalizaciones3
    @440vocalizaciones3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow!!! Thanks for the video!!! Guau!! Gracias por el video!!!! Excelentes explicaciones!!! Saludos.

  • @Redphantom77
    @Redphantom77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Que show cara. Obrigado Deus por esse canal. Que eu posso ser uma esponja para isso tudo.

  • @Roxanneredpanda
    @Roxanneredpanda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "licc bass, not boots" is an amazing twitter name

  • @mickjager
    @mickjager 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The deal with the Jacob Collier 2:3:4:5:6 is that it's a slowed down major chord. Pretty neat stuff

    • @MarioAtheonio
      @MarioAtheonio 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’d expect Adam to notice this

    • @mickjager
      @mickjager 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MarioAtheonio one can only hope

  • @GeldarionTFS
    @GeldarionTFS 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That may be the best segue into an ad I've ever seen

  • @adrianocroci6599
    @adrianocroci6599 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    no one has watched this video entirely yet

  • @MCistheOG
    @MCistheOG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Shawn has such an amazing skill when it comes to working with time signatures. I am not a percussionist, unless you count piano (I consider it a string instrument but ig it technically could be both), but there's something so cool and special about the drums. It's the backbone of the rythem and the fact that thus mf is like "oh yeah I can do that"
    When my 10 years of music theory brain is like ".... HUH?!"
    I think I'll start learning percussion because I feel like this is a skill that percussionist can more easily master.

  • @tomvesely4008
    @tomvesely4008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    How does Shawn decide which part of the polyrythm to play where (hi hat, tom, ride etc.)? Is it an arbitrary choice, a choice based on the arrangement of a particular song, or are we supposed to feel one of the numbers as the 'foundation' - therefore played on bass drum?
    Great video!

    • @qwertpoiuy430
      @qwertpoiuy430 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah it doesn’t matter, they usually do two different parts so you can hear the different rhythms, but there is nothing stopping you from doing it on the same one.

    • @rmanami
      @rmanami 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      For the most part its the subdivisions, far as Im aware. For example, you could split 9 into three parts of 2 and one of 3, and each subdivision can function as sort of an up or downbeat for that segment.
      A fun part of this is that you can change the position of the 3 to have a different feel, so (2,2,2,3), (2,2,3,2), (2,3,2,2) or (3,2,2,2). You can also vary how you split the subdivisions, say, for 9 you could do three 3s or a 5 and a 4 and swap em around mid song. Sungazer does it in quite a few tracks
      For the more common superparticular polyrhythms you often have the even number be the grid, and then you swing it by splitting the odd number in half the best you can (3:2 for a 5tuplet, 4:3 for a 7tuplet, etc) and treat each "half" equally
      More complicated stuff its kinda... whatever the hell youre feeling

    • @opposumness3107
      @opposumness3107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Short answer. He has played around with them and found a way to play it.
      Don't get me wrong, he has practiced, but it's intuition/feel. The question "which hand do you start with" is very similar to yours and both those questions have the same answer.

  • @j.lindback
    @j.lindback 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    6:13 sounds a bit like "Rosanna" after Toto having raided the minibar^^ Well done! :)

  • @najrenchelf2751
    @najrenchelf2751 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    He can really play them just like that, huh... 👀

    • @TRTSMTT
      @TRTSMTT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no, he's basically a polyrhythm geek. That's just what he does.

  • @streetos
    @streetos 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was the best transition to a sponsor I've ever seen.

  • @Hennu_TRM
    @Hennu_TRM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good list, but 99:100 is definitely D tier.

  • @NothingFunnyAboutTheseCarpets
    @NothingFunnyAboutTheseCarpets 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    “Something about “against 4” that rubs me the wrong way” is the most relatable thing I heard today

  • @parsleyara758
    @parsleyara758 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2:52 they dont know

  • @TheManuelpuerta
    @TheManuelpuerta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    shawn: is it really about the numbers that matter or is it what you do with them. also shawn: 99:100

  • @jonathancapps1103
    @jonathancapps1103 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    There are a few bits in Tool songs that I feel as 8/11. In reality it's something like every third 16th note accented over 2 bars, but it gives a strong 8/11 feel.
    I notice this in Third Eye, Rosetta Stoned, and The Pot. There are probably other examples.

    • @borogove
      @borogove 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I also feel it like this in Third Eye.

  • @SimGunther
    @SimGunther 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Classic polyrhythm: playing 7 : 11 rhythm at 7:11 in a 7/11 on July 7th for 7 minutes and 11 minutes

  • @amnongravenmur9024
    @amnongravenmur9024 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Congradualtion Shawn! Your ability to play this rythems has given me severe depression!

  • @JasmineFellows
    @JasmineFellows ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is some seriously cool maths

  • @montanajoe4636
    @montanajoe4636 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I think they summed it up great at the end, polymeters/rhythms are all well and good but it needs to actually sound good and not be just for the sake of being impressive and elitist.

    • @velvetsteele
      @velvetsteele 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah. And it very rarely happens.

  • @bjrnthorness1151
    @bjrnthorness1151 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    glad to see Brotherly getting some love.

  • @gunuin
    @gunuin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    "7/11 - yeah classic" that's exactly what I was thinking, 7/11, play it all the time, just naturally....Shawn's ability to just bust these out speaks to so many hours of practice.

  • @MrYoloNolo
    @MrYoloNolo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like numbers so much. Thank you for this content.

  • @mxmstrj
    @mxmstrj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude I just started listening to you guys a lot.. saw stargazer in that one screenshot and my mind was blown.. subscribed

  • @Domitianvs
    @Domitianvs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Man, this is going to be on THE INTERNET!"
    Adam Neely 2022

  • @mrjmrj7646
    @mrjmrj7646 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Adam, you're prob the best music youtuber of all time