Adam, you should just put piezo triggers* on your strings, kick on E, hihat on A, snare on D, and ride on G (imagine swinging!), and make epic drum'n'bass battles with Shawn. I would love to see that on tour in Europe *Or just do this ableton midi magic - I am a drummer I only understand triggers:)
You’ve got to check out the nularseq for ableton: th-cam.com/video/B4BySZmZ99o/w-d-xo.html it’s a new ableton device to play whole compositions on drums by triggering midi sequences. You’ll love it :D
Shawn, I've been a professor at Berklee College of Music in Boston for over 30 years. I've had a successful career as a guitarist and educator. Ever since you did this video, I've been out of a job. So thank you for that. Shawn knows I'm joking, but a more casual observer might not. I'm joking! By the way I have a gig two months from now! Still joking! Shawn rocks!
If you wanna hear a drummer who centres around stuff like this, id recommend checking out adam betts (the drummer in colossal squid and three trapped tigers). He uses triggers all the time and it makes for some pretty unique songs that I think people who like this would enjoy
Thanks again for making the tour happen. I know you and Adam took a real hit financially on it and I'm sorry. The PDX show was great. Given all the hard breaks, it's extra cool you picked up a Revival Drum Shop hoodie. I know Jose, Jake and Keary really appreciate it. Hope to see you again down the road, might even have a custom snare drum for you.
Just FYI, in Adam's video on it, he went into how it still wound up being a huge success even with the amount they spent. Doesn't sound like they took a hit so much as rolled the dice and wanted people to realize what musicians are sacrificing to bring music to them.
i had no idea simon mixed your guys' album! that shocked me when you said that, now it makes so much sense why it sounded like something else i love!!!
If you weren't already aware, Impact Soundworks has some really good Kontakt instruments of various guitars. They are a lot more complicated than any of the Submission Audio stuff, but if you really want to be a one man djent band, I think getting Shreddage 3 Hydra working with Grove Bass is the only way, lol.
It is... Currently the roadblock i am facing is its mundane... But soon will fix that. Working on this ever since this video came out and now i use umanzki bass shreddage 3 and neurals along with addictive drums Its fun af ❤️
The first time I heard something similar was in 1998 on the Space Groove album by ProjeKct Two. Adrian Belew was playing the Roland V-drums on it and he was triggering the bass notes on the kick. It was only three or four notes in total and every time he he hit the pedal, the next note would be triggered. And then Robert Fripp and Trey Gunn just improvised over it.
as a DRUMMER/BASSIST i say AMEN - have had working quick&dirty prototype for this exact setup loitering but life has been focusing on other dimensions since prototype
Bro that coffee cup is gonna "trigger" so many people... and now I'm realizing as I type this the fractal levels of puns built into this video... Nice.
Man ! what you did with Ableton is super interesting, especially the different slap strokes!! Great food for thoughts, thanks for sharing it I! Did you figure it out by yourself or did you find some Ableton tutorials ?
the velocity threshold on the snare for ghost notes, that's real clever. how about some kind of pressure sensor under your left foot that modulates note length based on hihat pressure? and below a certain threshold letting notes ring out so opening the hats behaves like a sustain pedal? would be a bit trickier to pull off but should be possible...
Hey Shawn, could you make a video explaining how you count the outro/climax of cytherean? The part right before you go back to the intro drums with the odd hits. Thanks keep it up man!
Impressive!!! At the end you played a sweet little pinch of "Bleed". Can you show how you might program the bending of the notes, with the setup you have there?? Pretty please.....
wow that sounds way too real. I couldn't tell if there's another person playing or just shawn with my eyes closed lmao (you guys were awesome in berlin ♡)
1:32 is that a periphery sucks mug lmao. Also joshua de la victoria is great 3:29 did u sample tosin abasi here? Sounds like his thumping bit from the woven web. Simon grove and plini are great as well
@@iwanttwoscoops Actually during their song Marigold, you might have heard the quote during a calm. That's a well-known conservative quote, and why I don't listen to them.
Is it possible for the kick to follow pre programmed chords according to the song? That way we can totally mimic a bass guitar during live gigs? That way the bassist and drummer are always locked in
I mentioned NularSeq in another thread, which accomplishes this task elegantly. The creator, NularMusic, is a finger drummer who performs solos with it here on TH-cam, you should be able to find NularSeq videos by searching for the name.
You could probably get away with a wireless radio trigger of some sort, but to minimize latency below the threshold of perception (especially for the ear of a discerning drummer) it wouldn’t be utilizing any current implementation of Bluetooth that I am aware of. That said, I wonder if a wireless setup could be accomplished by wiring a trigger module up to the radio slave systems that photographers use to trigger strobes. They rely on very tight timing. I don’t think the drum kit is going anywhere, though :p
Great stuff. Now try it the other way! I played around once with gates on guitar triggering various drum samples so your 000 chugs would trigger the kick, and then octave up for snare etc.
Shawn, so basically you can turn any audio source into a drum trigger? I know I am reversing things up a bit. So if you already have drum kit sounds that you are tired of triggering with a midi keyboard or running into the limitations of what a midi keyboard can do for drum parts, a drum stick, some crude form of drum head, a mic and the Ableton effects to sense the audio to trigger the midi - wam you have a drum trigger device. By the way I am primarily a keyboard player and do not have nor ever used a real drum kit. Great video, thanks for sharing and sparking new ideas.
Soo cool! Can You make kick drum triggering more notes? Likie 3 notes from some scale played with random fashion? Like one note played randomly with 70 percent of probability, second with 20 and third with 5 percent? Does logic pro also have this felxibility?
Shawn, how long does it take to master a new timing system? By rough estimation of course, because every groove is different. Also, how do you know if you are practising right or just memorizing inaccurate moves?
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excellent
Protip: make sure the bass and the volume-sensitive MIDI triggers are in the same key!
Makes me want to pull out some Squarepusher for a bassist that has replaced a drummer.
Adam, you should just put piezo triggers* on your strings, kick on E, hihat on A, snare on D, and ride on G (imagine swinging!), and make epic drum'n'bass battles with Shawn. I would love to see that on tour in Europe
*Or just do this ableton midi magic - I am a drummer I only understand triggers:)
Excellent but better somehow
he's trying to replace you...
Now drummers can play both guitar and drums in "Bleed". Nice, Shawn!
10:15
You’ve got to check out the nularseq for ableton: th-cam.com/video/B4BySZmZ99o/w-d-xo.html
it’s a new ableton device to play whole compositions on drums by triggering midi sequences. You’ll love it :D
Now hes putting meshuggah out of business too
😭
@@anttikinnunen7904 meshuggah is the one putting meshuggah out of business
3:29 lol nice Woven Web sample!
I thought it was!
Guitarists everywhere: *"I can't believe you've done this."*
Ah fuck.
Tbh people be doing this for a long time...
He just made it perfect 🔥
Shawn, I've been a professor at Berklee College of Music in Boston for over 30 years. I've had a successful career as a guitarist and educator. Ever since you did this video, I've been out of a job. So thank you for that. Shawn knows I'm joking, but a more casual observer might not. I'm joking! By the way I have a gig two months from now! Still joking! Shawn rocks!
Long time no see, Jon! Hope we have a chance to catch up soon (now that you're unemployed) :)
Have you checked out Dennis Martensson's procedurally generated Djent? He made both drums and guitar obsolete!
I was gonna say this.
I was also gonna say this lol
Procedurally djenerated
Obsolete in djent I don't think it would work very well with other genres like blues etc... Djent is all about being tight and technical!
I wasn't gonna say this lol
If you wanna hear a drummer who centres around stuff like this, id recommend checking out adam betts (the drummer in colossal squid and three trapped tigers). He uses triggers all the time and it makes for some pretty unique songs that I think people who like this would enjoy
Thanks again for making the tour happen. I know you and Adam took a real hit financially on it and I'm sorry. The PDX show was great. Given all the hard breaks, it's extra cool you picked up a Revival Drum Shop hoodie. I know Jose, Jake and Keary really appreciate it. Hope to see you again down the road, might even have a custom snare drum for you.
Just FYI, in Adam's video on it, he went into how it still wound up being a huge success even with the amount they spent.
Doesn't sound like they took a hit so much as rolled the dice and wanted people to realize what musicians are sacrificing to bring music to them.
Those animations for the midi trigger routing are awesome! So clear and intuitive.
i had no idea simon mixed your guys' album! that shocked me when you said that, now it makes so much sense why it sounded like something else i love!!!
It's inspiring to see what other things you guys achieve with Sungazer, keep on crushin it bro, hope to see ya in person soon!
If you weren't already aware, Impact Soundworks has some really good Kontakt instruments of various guitars. They are a lot more complicated than any of the Submission Audio stuff, but if you really want to be a one man djent band, I think getting Shreddage 3 Hydra working with Grove Bass is the only way, lol.
It is... Currently the roadblock i am facing is its mundane... But soon will fix that. Working on this ever since this video came out and now i use umanzki bass shreddage 3 and neurals along with addictive drums
Its fun af ❤️
Cant wait to watch this video again in a year and see everything that went over my head now
The first time I heard something similar was in 1998 on the Space Groove album by ProjeKct Two. Adrian Belew was playing the Roland V-drums on it and he was triggering the bass notes on the kick. It was only three or four notes in total and every time he he hit the pedal, the next note would be triggered. And then Robert Fripp and Trey Gunn just improvised over it.
th-cam.com/video/ikYm6Y8u6eU/w-d-xo.html
Using the guitar notes from The Woven Web breakdown at 3:28 was hilarious man
As a guitarist/drummer I not only approve, but I can't wait to experiment with something like this.
I WILL CONTROL ALL OF THE GROOVE.
as a DRUMMER/BASSIST i say AMEN - have had working quick&dirty prototype for this exact setup loitering but life has been focusing on other dimensions since prototype
The technology is cool as hell for sure, but how you actually set it up to make music is next level!
Kudos, Shawn!!!
Ben dancing was the best part of this video :D
Having Bleed 5 seconds before the end of the video is not what we deserved, but it is what we wanted
Am I the only one who'd gladly sit through a whole album of Shawn's drumming + auto-djent?
I think this is gonna blow in the drummer comunity. This is an amzing content!
3:30 samples from Animals as Leaders’ song “Physical Education.”
I needed this and I didn't know it
no this is good. teaching guitarists to learn drum patterns will make us grow up big and strong
Brilliant
Ben dancing to djent is my favorite video from now on
Maaaaan the production value if this vid is just beyond 💯🔥🔥
Fantastic mug by the way... 1:31
haha adding Bleed at the end there was the cherry on top. This video was so entertaining and informative. A+...D+?
Reminds me of Colossal Squid (Three Trapped Tigers drummer solo project) doing some amazing stuff with drum triggers
Bro that coffee cup is gonna "trigger" so many people... and now I'm realizing as I type this the fractal levels of puns built into this video...
Nice.
I actually like Periphery a lot, it's their merch 😂
I had no idea! I like them too, just too broke to buy merch 🤣
Brilliant content and awesome editing ! I love the record
I like your style. Nothing should be taken as seriously as having fun.
This is awesome. So excited to see you guys in London!
Can't wait for you guys in Oslo, and hearing this live
Man ! what you did with Ableton is super interesting, especially the different slap strokes!! Great food for thoughts, thanks for sharing it I! Did you figure it out by yourself or did you find some Ableton tutorials ?
Zach Danziger did this before anyone. Lots of TH-cam tutorials & experimenting helped too.
@@ShawnCrowder thanks for the reply, I will check him out ! Keep on rocking 🤘
I was the Denver concert! Y'all were awesome :D
I love the new way the instrument are think about, they need to adapt to thrives.
bro this is so friggin cool!
Wahhh great video man, very clever, very musical, very funny!!!
1:30 "Let's get Djenty." Pulls out periphery sucks cup🤣
the velocity threshold on the snare for ghost notes, that's real clever. how about some kind of pressure sensor under your left foot that modulates note length based on hihat pressure? and below a certain threshold letting notes ring out so opening the hats behaves like a sustain pedal? would be a bit trickier to pull off but should be possible...
As a guitarist I never thought it would be drummers that took over the world
Soo freaking cool man, Thanks for making this video
Hey Shawn, could you make a video explaining how you count the outro/climax of cytherean? The part right before you go back to the intro drums with the odd hits. Thanks keep it up man!
Alesis Strike has a preset kit with metal drums and guitar written striking the drums.
Definitely gonna try this! Thanks for sharing!
this video should be called how to be animals as leaders
Sick!!!! Love it!!
As a drummer and ableton user, I am very happy right now
Impressive!!! At the end you played a sweet little pinch of "Bleed". Can you show how you might program the bending of the notes, with the setup you have there?? Pretty please.....
This is such a cool idea
it's settled then, next meshuggah album is gonna be just Tomas playing with drum triggers
This video is extremely informative! Thank you very much
wow that sounds way too real. I couldn't tell if there's another person playing or just shawn with my eyes closed lmao
(you guys were awesome in berlin ♡)
@ShawnCrowder. bruh
Adam sounds so happy at 1:10
1:32 is that a periphery sucks mug lmao. Also joshua de la victoria is great 3:29 did u sample tosin abasi here? Sounds like his thumping bit from the woven web. Simon grove and plini are great as well
Yeah that bended note triggered on the tom makes me 100% sure it's from The Woven Web.
whattt what's wrong with periphery? might have to unsub lmao
@@iwanttwoscoops Don't worry haha, it's Periphery merch that Periphery themselves sell that says "periphery sucks" as a joke
@@iwanttwoscoops Actually during their song Marigold, you might have heard the quote during a calm. That's a well-known conservative quote, and why I don't listen to them.
@@mr.goldfish1530 what?
Truc de ouf !!!! Bravo !
mind blowing, so clever, fresh
Oh this is so cool!
You’re a mad man Shawn 👏
You can also do some clever automation to control drum samples with guitar strums. Fits more for slam, but hey.
That's exactly how I'd do it, but with another DAW. Neat!
Is it possible for the kick to follow pre programmed chords according to the song? That way we can totally mimic a bass guitar during live gigs?
That way the bassist and drummer are always locked in
Yes he showed it, you just change the global pitch of the setup via automation.
I mentioned NularSeq in another thread, which accomplishes this task elegantly. The creator, NularMusic, is a finger drummer who performs solos with it here on TH-cam, you should be able to find NularSeq videos by searching for the name.
Here is Nular’s newest performance video as of this writing - th-cam.com/video/JZVY78oi5Cw/w-d-xo.html
3:35 - is this bass tom sample from AAL "The Woven Web"? I'd recognize this out of a thousand...
This is just cool as hell.
Really liked the inside//outside project album, reconsider pls an EP or something if you have the time
3:29 bro just sampled the woven web, I know that bend anywhere
Now add midi note transposition, procedurally generated growls, ai cover art and tshirt design, etc...
This is so cool!
Would a wireless bluetooth midi drum trigger be of use? Just attach to the rim and bluetooth straight to abelton...
In theory, yeah. If latency can be solved and no issues staying connected. Honestly sounds terrifying with today’s tech, but maybe one day!
@@ShawnCrowder hmmmmmm, I'll have a play - let you know if it's possible 🥁
You could probably get away with a wireless radio trigger of some sort, but to minimize latency below the threshold of perception (especially for the ear of a discerning drummer) it wouldn’t be utilizing any current implementation of Bluetooth that I am aware of.
That said, I wonder if a wireless setup could be accomplished by wiring a trigger module up to the radio slave systems that photographers use to trigger strobes. They rely on very tight timing.
I don’t think the drum kit is going anywhere, though :p
Great toturial :)
00:08 could EASILY be an Animas As Leaders song lol
That's rad!
The Drum Djenerator
Great stuff. Now try it the other way! I played around once with gates on guitar triggering various drum samples so your 000 chugs would trigger the kick, and then octave up for snare etc.
during the section with the LA show, i'm the one wearing the cowboy bebop bucket hat and green and black mask
This is pretty neat
I mean…. Locking the different instruments in such a mechanical way sounds cool and makes parents angry so… massive success?
Now you need to get three drummers so you could have a full band lol
Shawn, so basically you can turn any audio source into a drum trigger? I know I am reversing things up a bit. So if you already have drum kit sounds that you are tired of triggering with a midi keyboard or running into the limitations of what a midi keyboard can do for drum parts, a drum stick, some crude form of drum head, a mic and the Ableton effects to sense the audio to trigger the midi - wam you have a drum trigger device. By the way I am primarily a keyboard player and do not have nor ever used a real drum kit. Great video, thanks for sharing and sparking new ideas.
Soo cool! Can You make kick drum triggering more notes? Likie 3 notes from some scale played with random fashion? Like one note played randomly with 70 percent of probability, second with 20 and third with 5 percent? Does logic pro also have this felxibility?
not even the actual guitar sounds in this video actually sound like someone playing a guitar lmao
This is amazing
1:41 Think about how many more people would pay to see Ben Levin with Sungazer now!!!!
This video is amazing. Replayability x 5
Actually goated
Drummer: Fine, i do it myself
Love the mug
making a bassist redundant, in a bass feature band. genius.
This just means its time for bands with two bass players just like how metal bands have two guitarisrs.
nOrmAl People: "I'll program the drums and then play the guitar over it..."
Shawn: 😈
Haha, this is brilliant. All you need to know about "Djent". 😄
Those 8 string thumping samples were totally from animals as leaders "joy of motion."
Love to hear a full Animals as Leaders rework
Oh haha that mug 😂😂, Peri will feel hurt eventually
haha it's a joke, I like them
Shawn, how long does it take to master a new timing system? By rough estimation of course, because every groove is different. Also, how do you know if you are practising right or just memorizing inaccurate moves?
feckin' YES
the Johnny part is hilarious
Just melt my brain why don't ya
Just a word: AMAZING!
So inspiring!
What trigger module do you use?