"In the end, parents know their children best." "I actually very much disagree with that statement. The closer you are in relation to the patient, the more likely that your bias is gonna be at play, and you're not be able to make an objective decision." Love the way he politely disagrees and gives a logical explanation.
That's I respect Dr. Mike. In that situation I would've been "You know as much about your child as the Russians knew about Chernobyl in 1986, how'd that turn out"
@@nhiko999 There was also the whole entire existence of humanity up until the point of the vaccine invention in 1796 to use as an example. I mean so many people died from diseases we can now cure and virtually eradicate. Why would that ever be a bad thing?
@@EOR2742 my favorite argument when discussing with an anti-vaxxer is when they say there were people around before vaccines. Whether that be because they buy in to the doctor conspiricy or to state if humanity was fine without them before then there child doesn't need it now. yes there were people around, but many of them also died.
Very very accurate. Measles can complicate as encephalitis, which has poor prognosis. Smallpox was extremely deadly; there was a reason it was the disease we first developed a successful vaccine against. Anti-vaxers who still claim autism is linked to vaccinations (despite it being disproven several times), how do they prefer polio or permanent damage/death over autism for their kid? There’s a very small group of people who cannot safely receive vaccinations, and rely on herd immunity. In my country, we are discussing not letting anti-vaxers (by choice) put their children in public kindergarten. It’s a tricky discussion with strong opinions on both sides. On a population scale, vaccines save more lives than they take by a ridiculous factor.
No one gets smallpox anymore. My risk for having no immunity to smallpox is zero. You know why? Because vaccines work so goddamn well we eradicated the virus. Smallpox and rinderpest are both completely eradicated.
"Safe-ish" Ok, lady, so are airbags in a car. But if I'm about to slam 70 mph into a wall, I rather trust my life in something that's safe-ish than find to out if my body can live without a head.
B-but you see! My daghter suffrs from an aibag allargy. That's why airbogs should be ellegal! It is a unethical thingy and it interfers with the chemical molecular imbalance of the potassium levels within the ribosome as well as produces frequent anaphylactic reactions within a 5km radius. I'd like to say that this is sarcasm and I actually DO BELIEVE IN AIR BAGS! Also: 1) I do not have a daughter 2) I purposefully put spelling errors in to imitate the breed of anti-vaxxers 3) This is meant to imitate the logic that anti-vaxxers apply to vaccines 4) Have a good day/night!
Chicken Schnitzel Wait are you sure you know what we are talking about? The airbags that inflate if you get in a crash so that you don’t bang your head. What your daughter allergic to?
"it's hard to trust someone who only sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year" No, it's hard to trust someone with 0 medical experience who gets all of their information from Facebook posts and anecdotes
Its so frustrating to see these people not understand how dangerous these disease can be. The great plague, the Smallpox is estimated to have killed billions. The Black Death causes pus and blood and Buboes. Leprosy causing the skin to rot. Yellow Fever causing what the Spanish called "Vomito Nego" Black Vomit. Rabies causing madness, as it eats the brain. As Ebola start to cause all areas of the body to bleed.
Not to mention, wouldn't everyone just love their own private doctor who sees you more than your own boss? Wouldn't that be great? Some people just can't think outside of their own little world.
Tempest that’s not even true. You’re equating stupidity with stubbornness. Smart people can be very stubborn just like how stupid people can be humble or “opened” to new ideas
I am from Bangladesh, which is a third world country. Before WHO and the government stepped in, hundreds of kids used to die from preventable diseases like measles, small pox etc. My own cousin died from small pox at age of 2 because she didn't receive the vaccine on time. Hearing people in the 1st world country saying vaccines are harmful makes me really sad and angry at the same time.
Thank you for your testimony Jafreen. Unfortunately those who have never seen the effects of some of these terrible but preventable illnesses can never grasp the severity of it. They have the power of corrupted hindsight were they did not see the effects and assume all of these illnesses have been eradicated. They are the result of decades fighting preventable, through vaccinations, diseases. I am not a fan of cliche"but those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
I think this is what people need to hear. We used to be just as vulnerable to disease, which is the whole point of these movements to get vaccines to kids all over the world... we were trying to give them what we had, that feeling of security in knowing that diseases that used to ravage communities were now a thing of the past. If such a miracle medicine exists, it's a moral wrong to give only to a few people. So we in the US are pretty amazed, too, that anyone would dismiss that astounding opportunity out of fear of a rare adverse reaction.
I'm sorry about your cousin, and she is one of the many reasons why I will be fully vaccinating my son. I cannot relate to your story, but I know that there are too many out there just like your cousin. Not only do I have the privilege of living in a 1st world country, so I have easy access to vaccines, but I'm Canadian... so they're free. I would be a complete and total moron if I didn't take advantage of that. Sadly, I know people who think that because there are scary sounding ingredients (such as dihydrogen monoxide) in vaccines, that they're unsafe. Even the mercury used in some of them, thimerosal, is less dangerous than the mercury in fish. Now, yes, there's risk associated with vaccines, but there is risk to everything, and an even greater risk when not vaccinating. There are outbreaks of measles in the US and some cases in Canada because people aren't vaccinating.
Completely agree with you. I grew up in a public school where some children was absent during vaccination day in my country and one of them ended up with polio because they didn't get vaccinated (it ran out).
My uncle died of Covid. He had CF and a double lung transplant. His anti rejection medication kept him from being vaccinated. He was who we were trying to protect.
This is what people who are against vaccines don't understand or don't care about. These people exist and their only protection is everyone ELSE getting vaccinated.
The only thing that can be said is he practiced what he preached and paid the price for his views. Sad reality, it happened to my Mom’s cousin who lied to the family about being vaccinated. She died and her husband was left crippled from covid-19. It has been so many years and likely the lessons of Covid will be ignored in the future.
Guess what Polio comes from contaminated water not contact with infected people. My uncle had Polio with 5 other unvaccinated children he guy it from swimming.
@@cracqheadish908 I dont swim in lakes and ponds so my chances of getting it is low anyway. My uncle had Polio he was the only of 6 kids to contract it. I do know that the CDC lies about the risk of vaccines.
I had a bad reaction to a vaccine. My parents didn’t want me to have vaccinations since I was 2. I am now 19 and went to get vaccines due to going into nursing. They told me if I had any worries they would work with an allergist to make sure I wouldn’t have a reaction. Simply talk to your doctor instead of believing they are secretly harming you.
Anela Wright thats what we did with our immunocompromised child. She doesn’t get the vaccines when everyone else does, but with the help of an allergist we’ve figured out the best course for her while still keeping her and others safe.
This annoys me. I got meningococcal septicaemia when I was younger because a vaccination wasn't available. I had all 4 limbs amputated and if a vaccination had been available at the time I wouldn't have had to go through that.
@ArgoLyte you know what sarcastic was not the word I meant to use mainly because english is not my first language. But the dingus part got to me ... I wonder about your tought process. let us have a conversation what lead you to make a second coment? what made you think adding that comment would be a good thing ? I dont click on peoples chanels because most of the time they make a profile just to coment on the videos they liked. Maybe you should also have tought about that.
OOOHH IZZY! I at first read this thinking it sounded like your story and wondered whether you knew of it, then look at the username😂😂 ILYSM! Your channel is super awesome! 💖💖💖
Middle ground is mostly trash, they just get people that cause drama so they can have a good show but they don't care much about the truth behind the topic they put people to discuss
"my child had an adverse reaction to a vaccine, so they can't be vaccinated" So... Shouldn't you be advocating for others to vaccinate to stimulate herd immunity to protect your child?
Honestly that lady seemed like she felt attacked by people attacking anti-vaxxers... Her reasoning is incredibly stupid. She just feels like people judge her child. We don't. We want the other children to get vaccinated to help HER. Wish she doesn't get polio because of other idiotic anti-vaxxers.
thought the same. I also thought that she seemed very attacked or judged. And she maybe also has good reasons for it. I heard a few stories of parents whose children had adverse effects after vaccines and the doctors did not believe them, and I think that must be a horrifying situation. I still believe that you should definitely vaccinate and that the benefits are very high. But I think it is horrifying if doctors downplay issues or if they do not try to search for the cause of problems because they think the patients exaggerate stuff. The one women told her history of visiting many doctors because of her arthrities and no one looked into it enough to help her.
I hear the safety of vaccines all of the time, but when I hear someone say that they cannot take it, but everyone else should. Spells Bull * to safety. Heard immunity is this bull * mentality of others that believe the world is a near-perfect place. When instead, We have plethoras of people that run across the border everyday into the United States, Take international flights and land in the United States with ILLNESSES. COVID-19. bleh. There is a time and a reason for a Vaccine, there also ISNT. Because the law of nature works against us. The illnesses that are going to let us sit and rot in a bed for the rest of our life such as polio. is a GOOD reason to vaccinate. Something absurd such as the FLU, or Hepatitis is a dumb reason. Because we are breading SUPER BUGS.
There’s a saying that goes something like this “Winning an argument against a smart person is hard. Winning an argument against an ignorant person is impossible.”
bruh never heard anything truer in my life. smart, rational people will listen to your points, combat them appropriately, and are always open to be educated. having an argument with a person who is ignorant is like trying to talk to a tree stump - you have to repeat yourself over and over again and they'll never listen to your points. it's incredibly frustrating.
@@ZmZm525 ok boomer.....the new catch cry of the terminally ignorant with no real argument to add to the debate. Let me guess, you think the earth is flat, dont you?
mellissa is right, her child shouldnt get vaccines, but telling others to not get vaccines as well, is wrong. its like saying, oh im allergic to peanuts, so you shouldnt ever eat peanuts because my daughter had a allergic reaction to peanuts. yes your child shouldnt get vaccines since theres a reaction to the body, but telling others, to not take vaccines is not right.
Agreed. Though I wouldn’t use this metaphor with anti-vaxxers. Just because we as a society DO ask other kids at schools not to bring peanut products so the kid with peanut allergies doesnt have a reaction. I understand what your saying, but antivaxxers are very ______, so they can easy get confused.
my younger sister had a kidney reaction to a baby vaccine, and as a result, she had to be hospitalized for a few weeks, and she will not be able to get that specific vaccine again, and others that may have the same outcome. however, my family and I are still on vaccines. if my sister cannot get this vaccine, she is at risk of having this disease, and to avoid this it is necessary that the people who have contact with her have the vaccine. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, and those who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated.
If your child has an autoimmune disorder you should be PRO vaccine, even if it means not vaccinating that child. You need the healthy children around your child to be vaccinated so they don't spread these preventable illnesses to yours
That's not the issue. The controversy isnt about weather a person should or shouldn't get vac instead, it's about weather or not it should be mandated and if people who refuse should lose their job or be jailed or fined into poverty.
@@williampennjr.4448a mandate that is the direct result of the belief that you should be vaccinated and the fact that an overwhelming number of people didn’t want to get a vaccine for a potentially deadly virus that spread via person to person contact. Could you imagine if the number of people who didn’t want the covid vaccine would have been against the polio vaccine? We would have had millions of other people dead or in iron lungs and the virus would still exist and still be infecting people, but thanks to the vaccine and the mandates put in place and followed during its outbreak has literally eliminated the virus in the US. Guess where it isn’t eliminated? In certain 3rd world countries that didn’t have a vaccine and is only being treated and prevented by vaccines provided to them by the CDC as it’s goal is to eliminate the virus globally. Much like the Covid outbreak, polio also caused the government to close schools, public places, and also encouraged social distancing, along with the vaccine having potential side effects that included possible paralysis. Vaccination is nothing new, just as viral infections are nothing new, and the science behind their creation and use is pretty rock solid. Now if people who were unvaccinated couldn’t spread and infect others with the virus then vaccination probably wouldn’t be mandated, but it can and is spread by people so you put others at risk, not just yourself, when you remain unvaccinated during an outbreak of a potentially deadly virus…not sure what’s so difficult about that to understand.
My daughter has a severe egg allergy and many vaccines are suspended in a type of egg protein. I strongly believe in vaccines because I have an autoimmune disease and heart condition. So I as a parent took my daughter to a specialist who did all her vaccines in divided dosages and we stayed in the office for 2 hours after each dosage. She is now a healthy 14 year old and has outgrown the egg allergy and has had ALL of her vaccines 🥰
My dad got into a really bad car accident and didn’t wear his seat belt. Surprisingly he was completely fine and would’ve died had he been wearing it. That being said, my aunt also didn’t wear a seat belt and her head hit the pavement so hard that she has an inoperable benign tumor in her brain that gives her chronic migraines. It’s much safer to wear one rather than not, my dad was just REALLY lucky
@@Vampirecronicler What you're going to have to do is show some proof here that the >75,000,000 in the US alone that had no jabs are any worse off than those of you that chose to participate . Until then, quite literally all of your talking points are rendered completely debunked and moot. Hope that helps!
bumblerat ;; I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants. Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.
@@martinap2682 "there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe" So in other words, every doctor in the world is wrong, and you are right.
I’m allergic to penicillin. When I was given penicillin I had a really bad reaction. I don’t take penicillin anymore. Other ppl should still take it when needed bc MY experience is not the experience for everyone else. Isn’t that crazy!!!🤪
Evan O'Dwyer I had to the same for the DTP vaccine - I was allergic to the illness Pertussis (whooping cough) to the point of if there is an outbreak I have to be quarantined. I had the rest of my vaccines and the rest of the DTP vaccine separated from the whooping cough bit in the hospital under supervision. But I will never not vaccinate because of my reaction, my kids will be vaccinated under close supervision because there are other people that need the protection just like I do from herd immunity
@@rachaelevans8351 yes! This is how the people who have side effects from vaccines should be. It's okay to not take vaccines for VALID reasons, but they're assuming everyone's like them and telling everyone not to take vaccines. Never mind about coronavirus, these antivaxx people can wipe us out.
This was a little too funny because I’m actually legitimately allergic to amoxicillin (they don’t give me penicillin because they’re like sister drugs, very similar) 😂
Yah. So many people fall asleep and never wake up so we should never sleep. When she said “Safe-ish” It drove me up the wall. Everything human’s do is “safe-ish” sleeping, eat, drinking, breathing, and even your heart beating. Glad to see other people agree with me that her way or thinking is flawed.
Physician of 40 years here. During my residency in the early 80s I saw deaths due to epiglottis. I saw deaths from sepsis. I saw deaths from meningitis. All these were caused by haemophilus Influenza. In addition, I saw kids who survived haemophilus influenza but were left blind, deaf and not infrequently neurodevelopmentally impaired (what we once called mental retardation). The h flu vaccine was introduced in 85 and almost overnight we didn’t see invasive haemophilus disease. It seemed miraculous. In addition, I grew up where my best friend had a serious gait abnormality and the lady down the street had to spend 16 hours a day in an iron lung, both due to polio. My best buddy got polio the same year the vaccine became available - 1955/56 which was the same year the lady in the iron lung contracted it. After the polio vaccination polio essentially vanished.
@@MariaKiran1 with all due respect to Dr. Mike, these people have chose to believe their own "research" over scientific medical opinion. I don't think the doctor's words would knock sense into them.
With all due respect once you are an antivaxxer and you know the truth it doesnt matter who is in the video. Once you know the truth, you never go back. There are thousands of doctors that are also anti vax so your theory that our opinion is less medically valid than yours is pure fantasy. In reality provaccine science is corrupted science. Apparently a lot of people are comfortable with hearing this because they never dig any deeper than main stream medias stories to find out. If it were my kids life on the line, i would be concerned with the possibility of there being some truth to what antivax parents are saying. I would want to be positive before doing that to my kids . antivaxxer will never be provax again because they KNOW that pharmacuetical companies are liars and doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US and unfortunately most of all, many of us found out first hand what I said is absolutely true. BUT you go ahead and trust them, your choice and your right to at least we know, we tried to warn you.
What I don't understand is if your child cannot be vaccinated due to adverse affects, why would you then advocate for anti vaccination? Your child is now a part of the group that relies on herd immunity...advocating for anti-vax just puts your own child at even more of a risk...🤦🏾♀️
To speak on a personal item regarding vaccinations, when I was in the Army prior to deployment to certain locations on the planet, the Small Pox vaccine is administered to deploying service members. I was given an indefinite medical exemption based upon certain and specific criteria; it became exceptionally important that everyone else in my unit carry an immunological response if that were ever introduced to the environment. In that regard, all of their immune systems had my immune system's back when we were deployed.
Kabir Basu both are useful, it depends on the audience that you are talking to, with these people talking about medicine with a bunch of big fancy words using personal anecdotes are useful. If you are talking about more down to earth, less big words, topics than stats are a lot more helpful.
@@riserevelation8471 Yep yep, most people are more convinced by anecdotes, especially if they can evoke emotion. But as soon as someone starts to use emotion to try to convince me of something, I lose interest real quick, untill they start using data. Of course this doesn't mean I've never been convinced by anecdotes in the moment, but if given the time to think about the arguments, I'd almost always be more convinced by the data.
Kabir Basu i agree with you, there is a fine amount of emotion that should be used when making an anecdotal argument, if the entire argument is ruled by emotion than people will just tune it out.
It's good you understand the data and statistics. As a scientist, I want to know those. But I grew up with all the family stories of relatives suffering and dying of now preventable diseases. Those are facts, too. It's good to have true individual stories to tell that supplement stats for those who don't understand them. Most people don't know anybody who has had a preventable disease. It hits home when you've witnessed the fear of you or your child being infected with something horrible.
@サイレントボイス did you read the beginning of the comment? The serious ones. Also the site lists the common side effects, if people are risking not only their lives but the lives of others because of those then they need to get their priorities in order.
When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didn’t want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, don’t feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.
Food is just part of a big conspiracy from the big food chains and the government (which is in reality composed of big, gluttonous panda bears disguised as politicians). Your body doesn't need food, I read it from some random guy's blog online, and I trust him. Now I'm anti-food. Get informed, sheep!
Every time I get a tetanus shot, I get really bad aches and a fever for a couple days, but I still get one every 10 years because I'm not an idiot. I'll take the crappy couple days for something that could save my life
I haven't had a tetanus shot in about 30 years, never had tetanus. It's a bogus vaccine that you don't need unless you're constantly surrounded by rusty metal. Kinda like how they give newborns hepatitis vaccines that are only really received from sexual intercourse and needle sharing. Must suck to be so fucking brainwashed.
onetimeontheriver dealer the baby could get hepatitis from family who unknowingly have hepatitis and it doesn’t have to be from sex. It’s protecting the child. Even if the likelihood is low , why not try to protect your kid if you can, it’s not 100% but it’s better than risking something preventable
@@onetimeontheriverdealer4405 all these fake illnesses are invented by evil corporations so they can sell us more vaccines and medicines. Think about it have you ever seen bacteria? no because they don't exist. oh and don't forget all the mind control agents they put in vaccines. Some people even believe we went to the moon. do you even anti-vax bro?
@@adrienne2838 Because the odds are so unfuckingbelievably low that it's actual insanity. Maybe if the baby was born into a family that lives in a crack house you might have a point but otherwise no. Even if they were to come into contact with someone that had the disease, even then the odds of it actually being transmitted to the baby are astronomically low.
onetimeontheriver dealer and the odds of something life threatening happening from a vaccine are also low so why not, and in adulthood the human may be in greater risk than in infancy, either way it’s gonna be a good idea to get it at some point
Since vaccination has put vaccine preventable diseases at the verge of elimination, the fear of such diseases has also decreased. So, people are undermining the importance of Vaccination.
all that was on the decline cdc evidence suggest through statistics because of natural herd immunity before vaccines. the measles? where you have a less that one percent of one percent chance of dying, almost the same with the mumps and rubella. you have a better chance of dying from the common flu, cold, pneumonia, medication, or just staying in the hospital from nurses not following the seven rights for medication. pharmaceutical drug related deaths average almost 380k a year. . and why does a baby need a hep B shot if the mother of father didn't carry, hep B is only transferred through sex and bodily fluids, polio was common but fear mongering was used just like the H1N1, Ebola. it isn't necessary, think about it you only here about something political, medical and terror thereats when theirs an agenda after its goal is accomplished you dont here it again and the media focuses on something new, all these things existed before and will after but its not really serious in comparison to other REAL threats. do your home work not be sheeple like the rest of Americans.
don't stand on her grave like that to make a statement bro , look up all the case of children dying who still got vaccinated and died because of a reaction . and majority of the time other than immigrants its those who carry the antigen who spread it to others and also contract it themselves. im not anti medicine but honestly some doesn't work and scientist along with GOV need to go back to the drawing board instead of using 30 year old methods that still raise questions in health and safety. im pro group, not select individuals. plus get the full story cause she might of been already sick then contracted it then died due to the result of an already compromised immune system. remember less that 1% or 1% die. thousand used to get it but less than 1% of 1%.
@U bro its called google and due diligence. like most sheeple , after being provided with evidence and links and having lengthy conversations all you guys do is bait people in and waste their time. cause yall pretend to be interested then HEAR the person to reply but Not LISTEN to understand. so and like most even if evidence was right before you, the lack or mental mechanics, intellectual understanding of statistics and graphs and scientific literature is hard when most cant be unbiased, objective, and without prejudice to even begin to hold a unique in influenced thought. plus most cant overcome their EGO. that why most listen to educated fools like some doctors who never studied about vaccines but tell you there safe.
@U because politics is what passes bills that approve of these practices and also provide funding and tax cuts to big pharma. but dont pick apart the convo. its seem like your a little kid trolln on here now cause by the lack of understanding and the false sense of understanding.....like a cloak of competency. this rebuttal is really getting old and your lacking common sense right now. peace sheep.
@U yeah 0.0001% of Americans have it now. WOW! the flu has killed more just this year but theirs not a single main media outlet that would say it. hummmm. agenda , agenda, fake news!
My mom almost decided against vaccinating me. She only changed her mind when the doctor looked her in the eyes and said “the saddest thing I’ve ever seen was an infant with whooping cough. We couldn’t explain what was happening and they just kept crying. I don’t want you to see that.”
I don't know why this reminded me of this but it did so I'll share. My mother was having a hard time giving birth to me so they called in a specialist. She (according to the story) didn't acknowledge my father and walked up to my mother and grabbed her hand. She said something like "we're going to do a C-section. Ok?" And my mom said yes or some variant. It saved both my life and hers. It's good to be educated especially when you have time, but folks doctors know what they're doing and most if not all want to help you. Educate yourself, but you need to trust your pediatrician and any other medical professional before you see them, as in you need to know you can rely on them to do what's best.
@@skylarj3374 yeah from what I heard it was dope. It's one of the main reasons I trust medical professionals, because no matter how much we think we know our bodies, in the end 9/10 the doc knows best.
5:40 The problem with this topic is, it is very hard to really become responsibly informed. I noticed this while researching vaccines for my kids - I just wanted a good overview of ingredirnts, potential risks and adverse effects vs. benefits. And as soon as you try to just inform yourself (which I believe is incredibly important before putting something in your body and is understood when talking about foods), you get sucked into anti-vaxer world. Why is that? Because there arent enough doctors and professionals appropriately reacting to valid questions. If yiu ask question, you are immediately dismissed instead of taken seriously. And there ARE potential aide effects, especially for people with preexisting conditions or physical specificalities. If these concerns were met with actual seriousness and acknowledegment instead of "you must be crazy, it's safe" , and people got actual answers and information, more "anti-vaxers" may have made a different decision because they did have all the facts: ackbiwledegement that adverse effects are indeed real and posible, but that in most cases the potential benefits heavily outweigh the potenital risks. All many people want is to be taken seriously and having questiins answered concerning a complex field they may not be versed in.
It amazes me how these people think their sample size of one (without controls, data, analysis etc.) is greater evidence than 3 clinical study phases involving thousands... not to mention post-licensure monitoring of vaccine safety. They mention risk-benefit analysis but yet seem unable to perform such even when faced with expert opinion and evidence. Protecting kids from vaccinations is like telling a kid not to wear a seatbelt because it may cause bruising in an accident.
Summer Joy also, fuck children growing old! Wait... that’s not right. Fuck anti-vaxxers and their misinformed, uneducated view point that is actively killing children
Sadly, however, they don’t just endanger themselves and die out but also endanger their young kids who don’t know better or others and deplete herd immunity. Fucking selfish ideology.
So true I wanted to hear more from the pro-vaccine More and the anti a LOT less but of course they got to interrupt and say “no,no” when they disagree and then go into a big rant of “oh your numbers are off” and “well I have arthritis now” do you even have proof that, that happened due to the vaccine you had or just spouting whatever you feel because you couldn’t find the source? Utter nonsense. Also what happens to the kids with auto-immune disease who get polio and measles? Gonna blame that on other kids who get their vaccines? Shouldn’t you want your kids protected from a early death due to stupid decisions?
@@JustAmenty They do, actually. Blame kids with the vaccines, I mean. I had a discussion on Quora with an anti-vaxxer who was absolutely convinced her son had gotten the flu from his friend who had just gotten the flu vaccine. Because "He was shedding the virus and also got sick".
I think understanding the compassion here has helped me a lot. I think I previously fell into the camp of believing that all anti-vaxxers were simply ignorant or misled, but seeing that there can be the statistical unlikelyhoods that affect them so personally, I can see why this would become an emotionally charged issue for them that would lead them to believe differently than what statistics would show. I think understanding their perspective can help people like me to understand why throwing statistics at them doesn't help, and how compassion is the real way to connect with real people.
I "understand" a mass-murderer has a psychotic personality and perhaps incurred abuse as a child = yet they are still a murderer........ "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. _Cause & Effect_ still applies here.........
What did you think about the discriminations, human right violations, about the violently forced human experiment vaccinations, about all the threatenings and suppression hundreds of millions of unvaccinated people had to face in the last few years globally? How on earth could you people accept that other people were harassed, suppressed, threatened and discriminated by armed police forces payed by public money, by your corrupted nazi politicians, by your medical 'professionals'..: Did you really think it is OK ? Man.....
@@varyolla435 "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. Cause & Effect still applies here........." WTF are you suggesting provaxers fanatic zealot? Do you compare innocent, unvaccinated people who resist your crazy religion and human experiments to murderes and psychos? Man, obviously not all provaxers are the same. But the real provaxers, the aggressive ones are the worst kind of monsters, the real successors of Hitler.
The issue is the research most of them are referring to are anecdotal evidence of similar cases.. For eg the lady attributing her arthritis to vaccines.. How do we determine that attribution is correct. . Vaccines are being made better in terms of efficacy and side effects every day.. The problem is their research doesn't actually include scientific papers...
Holy F im cringing every time she say "Investigating vaccines". We all know her investigation is sitting on google finding the most ridiculous information that human race came up with
Doctor Mike is right. I strongly disagree with the woman who said it's hard to trust a doctor who only sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year. Let me tell you why. I go to a specialist twice a year for my allergies. When she saw me, she noticed I looked very pale and tired. My mom, who is a nurse, didn't notice, even I myself didn't. The doctor did a blood test and it turned out I had anemia due to severe blood loss in my stomach, due to an inflammation. SHE SAVED MY LIFE! In the 10 minutes she saw me, only twice a year.
It's fine to question your doctor and discuss options. But I do trust my doctors too. If you don't trust your doctors.. find new doctors. I'm glad you're okay!
My new doc found out my allergies too and thought I WAS TOO WHITE the second she saw me which others didnt think. Turns out I had a massively-severe vitamin D deficiency affecting my teeth and my immune system. Now without cavities and no more sneezing everyday! Now leading a way better quality of life without having to chug antihistamines like candy :) She was more expensive than my other docs but I actually spent way less money and time with her than other docs.
My eye specialist immediately saw that I had a squint eye that somehow no one ever noticed? Just after the doctor said it everyone was like: ooh now that I look for it I can see you have a squint eye. Doctors now what to look for, they studied the human body, they meet tons of people everyday that with the same or similar symptoms. They should anticipate how the body of your child reacts to something based on the medical history etc. It is not like every child is so special that somehow all that knowledge they have doesn't apply to them anymore and doctors become absolutely clueless.
It's true! I was having stomach pains and the second I walked through the door my doctor said "You have appendicitis, you're walking slightly bent to the right", made me get an ultrasound to confirm it and I was taken to the OR immediately to get an appendectomy. She saved my life🤷🏻♀️ and she knew it the second I walked in.
Becoming a parent doesn’t grant you a medical degree or make you a therapist. You’re well-intentioned but to say that you know what will or won’t hurt your child from a medical standpoint better than someone who has spent their life studying medicine…no, you don’t. Respectfully, you don’t.
Dr. Robert Malone, the creator of the mRNA vaccine, also had serious concerns about its use as a Covid vaccine. Respectfully - I tell you that maybe you should have been listening to what he had to say - along with the long list of experts who weren't "anti-vaxx" but who had serious concerns about this particular one: you should also ask yourself why on earth were they never allowed air time to voice those concerns?
@@jackspring7709respectfully, I’ll trust the other thousands of doctors who say otherwise :) also, he didn’t “invent” the mRNA vaccine, he was a minor contributor among hundreds of other scientists, though I don’t blame you for this one, because research literacy is a very niche skill.
@@Aplaxta you’ll be the one crying after your child gets a decease from another unvaccinated child, not us (I really hope that it will not happen to your child, but you yourself make it more likely to happen)
It is truly sad that so many people have been led to believe that Drs are the know all end all. It doesnt take a genius to realize anyone can learn anything with the information that is readily available if you look for it. When youre blind to all the doctors that disagree with the main stream propaganda, its real easy to make arrogant and ignorant comments such as yours. When the medical profession is the third leading cause of death, you would think a lot more people would become aware maybe they arent as smart as you have been led to believe!!! Why are so many people dying at the hands of the medical proffession? You think your making jokes but maybe you might want to take it a little more seriously because someday you or someone you love might be one of those statistics. Will it still be funny?
The mom who says that vaccines are safe-ish shouldn't use any medication I guess... ALL drugs have adverse effects even the most used medication so what's her point?
Caroline Deghilage Exactly! I was taking a medication called Lamotrigine that gave me Steven Johnson’s Syndrome. I was told it was a very RARE side effect of that medication and a statistical anomaly, but somehow I still ended up with a rash that would very quickly become necrotic. SJS is a terrifying rash that causes widespread necrosis and was incredibly scary to deal with as a teenager. Does that mean I don’t take medications when I’m prescribed them? Hell no. ALL medications come with side effects and we as a populous take them because the benefits outweigh the side effects.
Isn’t it funny how these people that don’t trust doctors will run to the emergency room for broken bones and surgery 🤔 they don’t trust vaccines that their doctors support but trust them to fix their broken bones 🤔
I feel like listening to any anti-vaxxer is BEYOND frustrating when you are from a third world country, rejecting vaccines comes from their privilege of living in a developed country that we most certainly don't have
People from third world countries know better than anyone how dangerous vaccines are since pharma loves to use them as guinea pigs. See, Im pretty sure they have caught on , and Im sure Africa probably doesnt appreciate Bill Gates giving them polio What a prick giving them the oral polio vaccine when we discontinued it here because it causes polio. More cases of vaccines der1ived polio exists today than the wild polio. So what is actually beyond frustrating is all of you just regurgitating the same old fake vaccine stories you have been told all your life and never looking yourself to see if there is any truth to what we say at all. But hey, dont listen to us. Millions of us are all just delusional parents. Ha ha
So you die later guaranteed while in pain or you take the risk of living longer without the pain/dying on the table while already knocked out..........I’ll take my chances of dying on the table. Unless circumstances state otherwise.
This is such a good example of why I want to be an educator and why I value education so much. I love that you emphasized how important that growth of knowledge is, especially in the medical field. 🙌🏻 You have a fantastic channel.
maplebob23 Educator. I would hope I’d have better morals than to cling to something without sufficient evidence or reason. If that became the case in any scenario, not just within this debate, I’d have to reasonably adjust my worldview. However, I do believe that at this point in time vaccinations are easily the best way to protect all people against preventable and widely catastrophic diseases when they’re properly researched and implemented. :)
@@iamf6641 people strongly recomend you dont smoke, yet a great percentage smoke as teens, hiding by the fact that at most it will kill them when they are 70, which we all know it is not true and yet people are against that fact and still smoke... So is that recomandation Indoctrination or Education to you
In India, a large act was passed and doctors were sent to Pre-primary schools and homes of parents whose children were less than 5 year old and giving free polio vaccines to those who haven't got it yet and now Polio has been eradicated from India. I was one of the many children who benefited from it and I'm proud to say I'm pro-vaccine.
@@rishabbomma9361 yeah but they are way too less almost negligible my mom is a immunizations she told me that they only faced anti vaccine people during mmr vaccine they were mostly a small group of Muslims who were against modi but when they were clearly explained about the vaccine they changed their minds
What I want to know is how prevalent are these diseases that you're getting vaccinated for? If there is a 1 in 3000 chance of getting an adverse reaction but a 1 in 10000 chance of getting the disease, then I think that changes the discussion. No one talks about how common or rare the disease is when asking about vaccines. I have never had a doctor who wanted to discuss vaccinations. If you ask a pediatrician any question about the vaccine, he or she will hand you a yellow single-print slip of paper and often times say "it's your choice but if you don't want the shot, take your kid out of my office." Ive never had any doctor actually give me any useful information that I could use to make an informed decision
Superficial logic......... Question: how do viral infectious diseases spread?? Answer: vulnerable people who become infected to then infect others. Moral of the story: the *ONLY* reason a vaccine-preventable infectious disease might not be very prevalent as you say is owing to = existing herd immunity keeping it in check - herd immunity created largely in part from mass vaccination. When people refuse to vaccinate however because they as you try to do here erroneously deduce their risk is not very high = that opens the door for increased incidence - which subsequently increases that risk of exposure. Thus there are no such things as "unnecessary vaccines". Vaccines were created in response to infectious diseases and thus = "risk" already exists. Vaccines help to reduce that incidence which drives your risk of exposure/infection. Methinks you should leave science to those who understand it. "You" are not the arbiter of public health policies I'm afraid.
@varyolla435 I didn't say I was the arbiter of public health policies. I said no one wants to even have the discussion, they want you to either choose vaccines or get out, and your response to that was to insult and degrade me as a form of trying to change my mind. It's hard to make an informed decision that affects my personal health when no one will discuss the matter in an open and understanding way. I like Dr Mike's approach, being understanding and sympathetic, and answering questions without bias. I don't think my question about weighing risk and reward is poor logic. Every medical decision you make comes down to weighing risk and reward. You don't just get a CT scan every so often to make sure you have don't have brain tumors, that wouldn't be beneficial because the risk (and the cost) of doing so outweigh the benefit. You get a CT scan when you show signs of a potential brain injury. If a disease is incredibly rare to begin with, why risk injury from a vaccine to protect against something that's unlikely to affect you? I don't take antivenom as a preventative to getting a snake bite. And saying "you're not a scientist so shut up" is not going to convince me otherwise. All I'm asking for is a compassionate discussion and useful information that isn't rife with insults and derision.
@@kelseymardlin2375 *INFECTIOUS* diseases......... = let that sink in and marinate a bit. Then work on your reading skills. So one more time as it is not exactly rocket science. The *ONLY* reason a vaccine-preventable illness might have "low incidence" is because of = herd immunity as noted. What drives herd immunity you say??? Answer: *VACCINATION* is the main contributor....... Hence the more people who refuse to vaccinate = the greater the incidence. Your argument therefore is self-defeating.
@@kelseymardlin2375 You bring up fair points but my question to you is what vaccines are routinely given that have a greater likelihood of you having an adverse reaction to the vaccine, than the likelihood of you contracting the disease the vaccine is supposed to cover?
I love the way you're educating us. Without judging, explaining every argument in a scientific way. Do what you do, because you're very inspiring and amazing!
I have to completely disagree with your statement. Doctor Mike appears to be the very reasons you find employee elevators in the hospital reminding doctors and nurses to be human towards patients. I have to go to work, and plan on responding and saying more in about 4- 5 hours. Science has its cult following. Science is a tool...psst, a tool. Not doctrine. I am not religious in the slightest. My kid has all her vaccines. Yes, Im gearing for a fight...this is years of douche VAXXERS shoveling sh!t around and they can't even hear the other side...so goes the juvenile two sided discussion. Doctor Mike does not seek to empower parents in the right direction. He repeatable hints at controlling and subjugating parents.
@@markstewart4501 I don't think, that you understood what I meant to say. I just wanted to thank Dr. Mike for educating me in a very hot topic- vaccines, and support him in doing so. As Family Guy wrote, I might use the word informing, but I found this video educating for me, so I don't see it as a mistake. I'm glad, that your child has all her vaccines , but I still don't see why you sort of attacked me, and had to completely disagree with my statement, which I didn't show in my comment. I haven't wrote, that vaccines are great or not. I just wanted to support Mike in what he does and I don't know how or why my comment irritated you so much.
@@SoulAlis Interesting. If I used simple words and suggested compulsion with out proper justification upon millions you wouldn't see that as aggressive?
Bob Sears, the anti-vaccine pediatrician, got his license suspended after causing an outbreak of a preventable disease in the city he lives. You can look it up.
Yup. Measles outbreak in Southern California. 100% preventable. The thing that sucks is that it's not directly affecting the people who make the decision to not vaccinate your kid.
Man I'm so glad there's nuanced videos like this out there! Not only cause I can't imagine a better way to appeal to the anti-vaxxers and possibly change their minds than what you did here, but also because you set the right example for pro-vaxxers to treat the anti with respect and understanding, just so wholesome I love it
At the end of the day, Anti vaxxers are still retarded and basing their values/belief on very very very rare exceptions. Which is fallacious and retarded.
I mean they did clarify that was for anaphylactic shock and that other side effects are more common. Ofc the reasor that is a seizure isnt as impactful as the disease so the main thing being to anaphylactic shock to not getting the vaccine
Was anyone annoyed at how arrogant the anti-vax mothers were being? They were told a genuine statistic and opinion and they just shook their heads acting like they’re geniuses.
to be fair the stats are probably exaggerated to some extent, but that doesn't mean they're any less valid and worth considering (like I think Dr. Mike said 1/3000 or so instead)
I was irritated after the beginning when the redhead said a vaccine gave her arthritis because she was "too young to develop it", made me want to grab the woman and yell at her, "Explain that to me at 17 when I hadn't had a vaccine in over 2 years, Karen!" (That was when I was officially diagnosed with arthritis.) But the willingness to ignore than specialists story, too, about the child who had to lose all of his limbs to a preventable disease, also just irritated me further. How far does your head have to be up your ass to just ignore something like that, or statistics?
the doctor in the video was arguing not to give accurate statistics but to make up stories to sell vaccines. The moment they believe in this voodoo they think they are doing the right thing to cover up an injury etc and when a whole cult does that their statistics are completely unreliable and very far off.
Hello Dr Mike ! I was hoping that you can talk about birth control. I’ve heard that there isn’t many long term studies about birth control which worries me because people claim that it is very unnatural and eventually will harm your body.
"In the end parents know their children best" This statement floored me when the mom said it. Sure, personality wise that's correct. A mom knows her daughter's personality and her likes and dislikes better than anyone. But if that kid becomes very ill or has a nasty fall off her bike and breaks her arm......knowing her favourite band-aid color or, favourite flavor of soup won't matter. These doctors have dedicated years of their life to knowing how to handle these situations.
I agree, but also on more than just what the child likes or not. I myself went through a rough faze in school where I would have headaches, stomach aches, feel nauseous and often thought i was either sick or something was chronically wrong with me. My mother brushed this off because "she was my mother and knew me best". She told me that i would be fine and should stop focusing so much on it because i was fueling it. Not long after i found out that i had depression though my doctor and that affected my eating habits as well as hydrating myself and sleeping properly. The fact that my mom brushed it off because she was used to knowing me best annoys me and could have saved me a lot of self-destructive behavior without knowing.
A parent knows their child best-always trust a parent when they say something about their child is different. But a parent can't know why the child is acting so different and how to fix it-that's where the doctors come in.
As someone who works with children, there aren't many parents left who even know their children on a social level. Or for that matter even care. Some (not all) of these same parents who claim to be anti-vaccination because they love their children and want what's best for them certainly have no problem dumping them off at daycare all day, even if they're sick, and couldn't tell you a damn thing about their child. While there are certainly individuals who are against vaccinations for their own valid reasons, there are just as many who do it because it's "trendy."
That's the argument they shreik from the rooftops. "I know my child best!" I had an antivaxxer tell me that and pissed them off pretty badly by replying "cool. You know what coffin color they will want then."
Parents know them well enough to know that there is something wrong and get them to the ER. Drs don't check in to see if you have appendicitis. Even if the Dr was the kid's Aunt, she still wouldn't call and ask for symptoms every day. But mom's do - 'Hey, how are you doing today?'
Aside from the fact that, that sentiment was supposed to be about personality rather than internal workings of biology, I never understood it anyways. No, you don't. In fact, on average - especially over the course of years, parents know their children the LEAST. Yes, if your child is a whee little baby who you carry in your arms then you are likely the person who knows their personality (or whatever little there is of it at this stage) the best, but that's ALL. and all of that completely disappears once the child grows up and has friends, goes to school. In fact, for most people their close friends know them best.
If that sentiment were true, the only time a parent would take a child to the hospital would be to get a prescription; and even then, the parent would tell the doctor "Timmy needs 400mg of Blahblahblah for the next week. Be a dear and write that up for me." No offense to my mother, but if she told me one thing and a doctor told me another (in the context of health), I'm going with the doctor. As much as I love her, Mom didn't go to medical school. And you know what? She could be right and the doctor could be wrong. But I know what has the better chance of happening.
@@emilykelly2815 that's totally missing the point. the implication of the quote is that parents always know the best course of action for their kids. no, doctors are not omnipresent omniscient miracle workers. but they know how to prevent, diagnose, and treat illness, and refusing to listen to their advice is almost always a terrible idea.
I remember around Covid time I started having a really bad cough, coughing up phlegm, mind you I am UNVACCINATED. Everybody kept saying you probably having a reaction to that Covid shot, you got vaccinated didn’t you, blah blah blah. Come to find out it was gluten, I have a gluten allergy! lol so yes sometimes those “vaccine adverse reactions” are just that, a coincidence.
What annoys me the most is that Melissa is anti-vax because her daughter can't get vaccinated so her daughter actually relies on herd immunity to not get seriously sick. Yes there are certain cases where vaccines are bad for a specific person but in my opinion I believe that this is all the more reason to be pro-vax because then you rely on herd-immunity to survive.
Precisely! I am a huge advocate for vaccination because I cannot be vaccinated. I have allergies but went to the great effort and expense to be desensitised. I have since been diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder that means I don't develop immunity. I rely on other people to keep me safe and unfortunately people are increasingly making decisions that put me and people like me at risk.
This is such a 1st world problem. I live in Kenya where there is no question to not getting vaccinations. You can still see people who have been afflicted by polio. The government have polio programs where public health officials go around giving oral vaccination for polio. I teach Biology at a school and when I teach about vaccination and bring up anti vaxxers my students think they are crazy.
Dean Randolf we’re not saying you’re not allowed to do it, we’re just using our first amendment rights to point out that you were being kinda unnecessarily rude
@@drakedespain9924 , I wasn't telling you not to say it. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Besides, you catch more flies with honey... People are more open to hearing your side of things when you aren't cursing at them anyways, but you do you lol
@@drakedespain9924 "It's not a first world problem fuckhead." Failed to follow up your assertion there, waste of characters. "Just because a country makes more money than another doesnt mean that that richer country arent allowed to have problems." Off-topic, OP never said otherwise. "If you make a million a year you still have problems, they're different problems, but everyone always has their own issues." Great, it's a first-world problem, glad you now agree with OP. You don't socialize much do you? "First amendment right", you're a product of failed parenting and excessive internet usage.
I am unable to take the flu vaccine without having a dangerous reaction to it. I have contracted H1N1 flu virus. It was the sickest I have ever been in my life. It took me months to get back to full health. To everyone who recieves a flu vaccine each year I extend a huge thank you. I appriciate every person who gets vaccinated and helps lower my chances of catching the flu again. I have been able to be vaccinated for everything else required in my life and my children have all been vaccinated without any issues. We all need to do our part in helping each other stay healthy and safe. Blessed be and good health to all of you.
I still can’t get over them saying “ in my research” when trying to argue w people who went to med school... which in this case does make them more knowledgeable lmao
Biased easy-to-read articles are not on the same level as unbiased, real science research and medical journals. Ofc I don't expect Karens to understand the scientific language used in medical journals ... Karens don't understand what the concept of actual scientific research is, their definition of research are google searches and facebook posts.... It's hard to argue with someone who is blissfully ignorant imo
"Their research" is exactly this below, ( Confirmation Bias ), because they are not looking for info that discredits their anti-vaccine belief.. they only look for info that confirms it. Confirmation Bias Definition: To seek out and favor evidence that confirms one’s pre-existing beliefs or views. May also include the cognitive tendency to resist or disfavor evidence that is contrary to one’s pre-existing beliefs.
I had a story end up in the news and it was about my autoimmune disease. Several comments on the article said I must have got my condition from vaccines. Not true, I've had the disease for years. But even if it was caused by a vaccine, I'd still choose my disease rather than an infecfious disease that also causes harm.
I think that irritates me the most. They imply my doctor promotes vaccines for the money. They don't know my doctor, he is one of the most caring people I know. He always asks how we are doing and often checks on things we have being dealing with in the past (I don't always remember and he has to remind me). It can be anything from the last thing we saw him for to something we mentioned in conversation like how our soccer season went. He isn't some nefarious snake oil salesman.
I LOVE all the comments on this thread laughing at soccer moms. We soccer moms are total dingbats, right? LOL.....and you're not being a bigoted idiot WHATSOEVER!
@@PS-qn4oz Depends on what kind of soccer mom you are. Do you tell pediatricians their decades of schooling and practice are no match for your google skills? Do you brag all over facebook about how your child only eats organic foods when nobody asked? Do you tell your children's teachers they're the bullies if they tell you your child has been acting like a brat to the other children? Do you walk into stores and restaurants wearing sunglasses, cropped pants, and a "sensible" haircut and demand to speak to the manager because they wouldn't accept your expired coupons? If so, then yes, you are a dingbat. If not, carry on, this conversation had nothing to do with you and you are getting offended for no reason.
It's kind of annoying how the two anti-vax mom's can't seem to shut up long enough to let anyone else talk, or are constantly talking over them or interrupting them, telling them they're wrong. Like if you're having a debate, and you have to constantly interrupter and talk over your opponent, and you're clearly not listening to what they have to say even though I think that the pro-vaccine people seem to be listening to the anti-vaxxer's concerns before responding to them, then your argument probably isn't as valid, and "right" as you think it is.
The other anti-vax person is worse. The doctor believes in a alternative vax schedule that is viewed as unsafe by the CDC. Because of this he is responsible for a massive outbreak of measles “In 2008, Sears' "intentionally undervaccinated" seven-year-old patient was identified as the index patient who started a measles epidemic in 2008, an epidemic which was the largest outbreak in San Diego since 1991. The epidemic "resulted in 839 exposed persons, 11 additional cases (all in unvaccinated children), and the hospitalization of an infant too young to be vaccinated.
Kind of annoying that pro-vaccine propagandists diminish my plight. They don't know anybody with autism, they think it's how it's portrayed on TV and in movies. Not even close!
@@kedricktheheadtripMusic I know myself fairly well and I sure as **** am not this way because of vaccines. And you know what neither are you. Sorry but science is not subject to any subjective reality neither yours nor mine, and there's no scientific proof whatsoever of any link, nor even any correlation, between autism and vaccines.
That doctor that told the personal story about his daughter is the most respectable person in the whole video. He was calm and collected, and deescalated the conversation.
From what I gathered, he works in intensive care. Those doctors are perhaps some of the most calm and collected people I have seen in my entire life, second to maybe anesthetists.
I agree that he was calm and collected, but I would encourage you to watch the whole video, because several people (on both sides) worked to keep things calm throughout the stages of discussion.
That’s it! Where I live, there is no anti-vax vs pro-vax but when I see these lucky people who live in countries where they have easy access to vaccines turn their backs on them and play the victims... like so many countries and children would give anything to have their luck! It frustrates me so bad
Nelson Mandela (2002 Vaccine Conference) --“Giving children a healthy start in life, no matter where they are born or the circumstances of their birth, is the moral obligation of every one of us. I find it heartbreaking that 3 million people, most of them children, die each year from diseases that we can prevent with simple, inexpensive vaccines. "
@@Blondybeastfit I wish they knew how good they have it! Do they know the reason most of them are alive is because of the the same very vaccines they're denying their children!?
"In the end, parents know their children best." Alright, Sharon, next time Timmy breaks his spine, you can just do the surgery to fix it yourself, okay?"
earthpet yes but the thing is docters will use right sources and not google and if they find out they were misinformed they come back on their statements not the anti vax moms and their “autism caused by vaccines” statement for a start - the man who made the study apologized for it and said he was wrong If the facts change they change their conclusions
Most Doctors are not the objective scientists they pretend to be. The vast majority simply regurgitate what they've been taught just like those from any other profession. This doctor is clearly among the majority and needs to try harder. "It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries... Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. " --- 1952, Bertrand Arthur William Russell, 3rd Earl Russell (1872-1970) British Internationalist, among other things. If you have a grasp of history, the dumbing-down that has taken place in recent decades is undeniable. Likewise the ill effects of vaccines are also undeniable if you've done good and objective homework on the subject.
Elysse you may be interested in the 9 hour testimony of Stanley Plotkin who is a consultant and vaccine developer. The whole thing is available here on TH-cam. I can’t vouch for every link to say none have been edited. Here’s a little of what he said. Dr. Plotkin was asked by the attorney, “If you don’t know whether DTaP or Tdap cause autism, shouldn’t you wait until you do know, until you have the science to support it to then say vaccine don’t cause autism?” Dr. Plotkin responded: “Do I wait? No. I have to take into account the health of the child.” The attorney then posed the question, “And so for that reason, you are okay telling the parent that DTaP, Tdap does not cause autism even though the science isn’t there yet to support that claim.” Dr. Plotkin answered: “Absolutely.”
"I know my kid better than someone who sees them twice a year for 10 minutes" K Story time When I was 16, I had something wrong with me illness-wise. My family just played it off as a fever, even though I had red spots all over my body afterwards. My family finally brought me to the doctor because I literally got kicked out of school at that point. My family and I after lots of internet searching, couldn't find anything. In the hospital, my doctor, who only sees my for 10 minutes twice a year, within 2 minutes: "You have Scarlet Fever." The doctor I see twice a year for ten minutes saved me from a potentially lethal disease that my family couldn't do anything about for days.
Wow! My brother had scarlet fever when he was little and it was really scary, and also because I had just had strep throat so I had a really high chance of getting it too and then we’re allergic to the main medicine that’s used to treat it
Let me tell you a story. I went to a doctor to get tested for Strep Throat. The doctor said I had no strep throat. Every kid who sat next to me in class got strep throat.
My son is not vaccinated but I'm not anti-vax. We dealt with a lot of medical problems with him as a newborn. When we brought up his father's serious allergies to several vaccines (he almost died due to his reactions) with my son's doctor we decided as a team to not vaccinate. I worry about this decision a lot. It was a huge struggle for us as parents. We had a baby who was already very very sick, often in the hospital, and very vulnerable. I will always remain pro-vax, despite my son's specific circumstances.
Your son's health & the child of the anti-women in this video are why I, someone who has had no adverse health affects or family history of them, will always get my vaccines!
Personally(And Im no doctor) as long as you teach and practice good hygiene,and don't visit and 3rd world/developing countries Im sure your son will live a healthy life.
Don't they have tests for allergies? It seems that there are many different vaccines available with different ingredients. If they test for and are aware of your son's allergies, it shouldn't be a problem figuring out which vaccines he would react to and which that he would not, right? Obviously there's a huge risk to injecting a vaccine with unknown ingredients into a kid with unknown allergies. Probably an allergy panel should be performed on all children before they are vaccinated to avoid this situation that your son's father experienced. It seems to be the smart thing to do. And if there is no vaccine available that someone would not react to, then obviously they should not have to be exposed to that vaccine.
As someone who can't have most vaccines due to anaphylaxis, I am completely for Vaccines. Herd Immunity is the only thing that will protect me and thousands of others
Well according to anti-vaxxers, you're not as valuable as their own kids OR consider you a lucky one since you won't catch the autism. It's an insulting notion either way. Just overly emotional hateful people.
6:27 How was that a “disservice” to the conversation? He basically spoke to the fundamental logic behind vaccines. So is there anything that you can say to be pro-vaccine that is a service to the conversation?
she’s telling a doctor, who literally went to school to study medicinal science and who has done research about the best and safest medical treatments to help people and to prevent possibly fatal illnesses/diseases from forming, that he is wrong about the possible side effects of vaccines..
exactly ! as medical student a lot of her statements made me cringe ... I see a lot of anti-vaccine people saying they don't understand why a vaccine would be a better option ... then go study biology for a few years and you'll be able to understand perfectly !
I was so mad at the woman who said that a 10-minute visit to the doctor can't make up for how well a parent knows their child... Guess what almost 10 years of education in the field of medicine make up for it when it comes to MEDICAL DECISIONS, online research isn't a medical degree and it is part of the job and responsibilities of a doctor to be able to think of what's best for each individual patient of theirs, otherwise everyone who had the same illness or symptoms would be treated the exact same so like what's even her point??
As important as education is also EXPERIENCE. Doctors see tens, hundreds, thousands of the most common cases, so yeah, a 10 min visit can be 9 too many. I'm sure she knows something because of experience, a noise in the house or a "tell" on one of her kids that she knows from experience what it means, well then add 10 years of studying and you get doctors.
Yeah, I was like "what does that even MEAN?" So every parent knows their kid well enough to be absolutely certain that it will or will not get a dangerous disease? That's beyond ridiculous.
It's not bad to look at things online so you have a basis to start the conversation with your doctor (i.e. knowing which symptoms to document). However, you should only get insistent if they are completely blowing you off. That's when it's time for a second opinion.
The internet is pretty useful. I caught onto the fact that I was deficient in vitamin b12, and that my body doesn't store it properly 3 months before my doctor did. All she did was confirm it with a blood test. You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't how to relate that information to your patient or coax it out of them, it's useless.
C' thulu for real though you are right, those moms sat there and told an educated doctor, of sorts I personally don’t know what kind of schooling he went though but it had to be a few years in medical at least, that he was wrong because she did her own “research” which was probably a few artical readings from biased websites, again I don’t know personally what they’ve done.
You mean this is what happens when all the information in the world is now accessible to everyone instead of just those who can afford it? And that information is finally not being presented in the way that only benefits the industry that controls that information? The "anti-vaccine" movement was started by doctors who realized they weren't being allowed to conduct legitimate safety studies and kept getting different results than their financiers wanted. Vaccine awareness is the result of information that comes directly from the CDC and HHS. People are taking the statistics from the official agencies that keep them and are independently conducting the studies that the industries refuse to do. This is progress and the pro-vaccine movement is trying to keep everyone in the past where we trust the industry no matter what and don't ask for any legitimate science behind it.
Dr. Mike, that paediatrician Bob Sears was being very careful in sharing his opinions. He is on 35 month probation for his unsafe practices. The county he practices in is significantly less vaccinated compared to others in the area. Anti-vax parents talk about him like he's a superhero.
Sorry but arthritis can effect any age it’s uncommon in younger years but does happen, there were several people in my secondary that had arthritis to varying degrees
Douglas Adams I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants. Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.
Martina P As much as food and teeth equates to medical degrees. I wasn’t saying there are no adverse reactions to vaccines (quite the opposite in fact). What I’m saying is in the large majority of anti- vax claims, there is no tangible proof that having the vaccines caused the reactions. Anaphylaxis and seizures of course, but there is no proof or medical studies that show a link between vaccines and autism or arthritis. Even with the worst of negative reactions caused by vaccines (and again I know they do exist) it is my personal believe that the good of vaccines greatly out way the negative (of which there are). We tend to forgot that vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands, even millions of life’s. I would rather have the adverse reactions of a few on my conscience. Than subjecting future generations to measles or mumps, or having healthy children lose cognitive function or go deaf because of meningitis. Life is about making informed decisions, even if both sides have negatives, not just pointing fingers.
Martina P my grandma never had much education, but she saw something you have never saw: whole villages, FRIENDS, FAMILY and CHILDREN-DYING from illness in the worst possible way. You say that sometimes vaccines aren’t safe. Back before vaccines, it wasn’t sometimes, it was almost guaranteed that AT LEAST one of your kids wouldn’t make it. They would get measles one day and shrivel up in your arms and you could do nothing. You would pray, pray that god would spare your other kids, pray for any way to keep them from getting sick. Two of my grandma’s siblings died from illness. Then vaccines became available. All of her children made it. That was a miracle.
This was not a fair or accurate representation of the vaccine-skeptical community. If it were, Dr Mike would have his backside handed to him. Ask pretty-boy Mike to host Dr Paul Thomas or Del Bigtree.. Then, you people might just learn something useful.
Santiago Yes, that’s right. Just like the majority of the other vaccine skeptics who mostly come from highly educated & high socioeconomic subgroups in the population 🙄🤦♀️. www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-10/sydney-wealthiest-suburbs-among-lowest-vaccination-rates/9534878
You’re the first Dr I’ve ever heard that’s pro vax but also say that there are some cases where it’s dangerous to vaccinate some kids for health reasons. I wish the drs in my area had more humanity and empathy in their speech as you do. God bless you with continued guidance.
You assume the doctors you alluded to do not know what Mike does = which is a poor assumption. Any physician prescribing a vaccine will have considered any possible risks against benefits and the health history of the individual = whether they openly state this or not.
"In the end, parents know their children best."
"I actually very much disagree with that statement. The closer you are in relation to the patient, the more likely that your bias is gonna be at play, and you're not be able to make an objective decision."
Love the way he politely disagrees and gives a logical explanation.
That's I respect Dr. Mike. In that situation I would've been "You know as much about your child as the Russians knew about Chernobyl in 1986, how'd that turn out"
Sam Shim My doctor knows me better than my parents
🥺so admirable
@@donnyshields4450 just curious, but what's your reason? 😶😊
@@donnyshields4450 yeah that makes sense too! Thaaaaaaankss 😁
"You're downplaying the risks of vaccines."
As opposed to downplaying the risks of measles, polio, smallpox, etc?
Exactly. There was a french doctor that showed what those diseases actually do... This is beyond frightening...
@@nhiko999 There was also the whole entire existence of humanity up until the point of the vaccine invention in 1796 to use as an example. I mean so many people died from diseases we can now cure and virtually eradicate. Why would that ever be a bad thing?
@@EOR2742 my favorite argument when discussing with an anti-vaxxer is when they say there were people around before vaccines. Whether that be because they buy in to the doctor conspiricy or to state if humanity was fine without them before then there child doesn't need it now. yes there were people around, but many of them also died.
Very very accurate. Measles can complicate as encephalitis, which has poor prognosis. Smallpox was extremely deadly; there was a reason it was the disease we first developed a successful vaccine against. Anti-vaxers who still claim autism is linked to vaccinations (despite it being disproven several times), how do they prefer polio or permanent damage/death over autism for their kid? There’s a very small group of people who cannot safely receive vaccinations, and rely on herd immunity. In my country, we are discussing not letting anti-vaxers (by choice) put their children in public kindergarten. It’s a tricky discussion with strong opinions on both sides. On a population scale, vaccines save more lives than they take by a ridiculous factor.
No one gets smallpox anymore. My risk for having no immunity to smallpox is zero. You know why? Because vaccines work so goddamn well we eradicated the virus. Smallpox and rinderpest are both completely eradicated.
"Safe-ish"
Ok, lady, so are airbags in a car. But if I'm about to slam 70 mph into a wall, I rather trust my life in something that's safe-ish than find to out if my body can live without a head.
Seat belts can cause injury but they do more good than harm!
Good fucking point
Amazing way to put it. Puts her reasonings to shame
B-but you see! My daghter suffrs from an aibag allargy. That's why airbogs should be ellegal! It is a unethical thingy and it interfers with the chemical molecular imbalance of the potassium levels within the ribosome as well as produces frequent anaphylactic reactions within a 5km radius.
I'd like to say that this is sarcasm and I actually DO BELIEVE IN AIR BAGS! Also:
1) I do not have a daughter
2) I purposefully put spelling errors in to imitate the breed of anti-vaxxers
3) This is meant to imitate the logic that anti-vaxxers apply to vaccines
4) Have a good day/night!
Chicken Schnitzel Wait are you sure you know what we are talking about? The airbags that inflate if you get in a crash so that you don’t bang your head. What your daughter allergic to?
"it's hard to trust someone who only sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year"
No, it's hard to trust someone with 0 medical experience who gets all of their information from Facebook posts and anecdotes
I think you mean "research." 🙄
Its so frustrating to see these people not understand how dangerous these disease can be. The great plague, the Smallpox is estimated to have killed billions. The Black Death causes pus and blood and Buboes. Leprosy causing the skin to rot. Yellow Fever causing what the Spanish called "Vomito Nego" Black Vomit. Rabies causing madness, as it eats the brain. As Ebola start to cause all areas of the body to bleed.
Have you truly never heard of Dr Robert Malone? Of course you haven't because anyone with a different viewpoint got censored
@@georgiadonald1588 people are supposed to just know random doctors?
Not to mention, wouldn't everyone just love their own private doctor who sees you more than your own boss? Wouldn't that be great? Some people just can't think outside of their own little world.
It's difficult to win an argument against a smart person but it's even harder to win an argument against a stupid person.
That is 100% true.
Tempest once a stupid person has made up their mind, they ain't going back
Fool. The point is not to "win." The point is to get to the truth what you and the other person is aware of, OPENMINDEDLY.
replace stupid with stubnorn or closed ear
Tempest that’s not even true. You’re equating stupidity with stubbornness. Smart people can be very stubborn just like how stupid people can be humble or “opened” to new ideas
I am from Bangladesh, which is a third world country. Before WHO and the government stepped in, hundreds of kids used to die from preventable diseases like measles, small pox etc. My own cousin died from small pox at age of 2 because she didn't receive the vaccine on time. Hearing people in the 1st world country saying vaccines are harmful makes me really sad and angry at the same time.
Thank you for your testimony Jafreen. Unfortunately those who have never seen the effects of some of these terrible but preventable illnesses can never grasp the severity of it. They have the power of corrupted hindsight were they did not see the effects and assume all of these illnesses have been eradicated. They are the result of decades fighting preventable, through vaccinations, diseases.
I am not a fan of cliche"but those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it."
I think this is what people need to hear. We used to be just as vulnerable to disease, which is the whole point of these movements to get vaccines to kids all over the world... we were trying to give them what we had, that feeling of security in knowing that diseases that used to ravage communities were now a thing of the past. If such a miracle medicine exists, it's a moral wrong to give only to a few people. So we in the US are pretty amazed, too, that anyone would dismiss that astounding opportunity out of fear of a rare adverse reaction.
I'm sorry about your cousin, and she is one of the many reasons why I will be fully vaccinating my son. I cannot relate to your story, but I know that there are too many out there just like your cousin.
Not only do I have the privilege of living in a 1st world country, so I have easy access to vaccines, but I'm Canadian... so they're free. I would be a complete and total moron if I didn't take advantage of that. Sadly, I know people who think that because there are scary sounding ingredients (such as dihydrogen monoxide) in vaccines, that they're unsafe. Even the mercury used in some of them, thimerosal, is less dangerous than the mercury in fish.
Now, yes, there's risk associated with vaccines, but there is risk to everything, and an even greater risk when not vaccinating. There are outbreaks of measles in the US and some cases in Canada because people aren't vaccinating.
Completely agree with you. I grew up in a public school where some children was absent during vaccination day in my country and one of them ended up with polio because they didn't get vaccinated (it ran out).
I'm sorry u lost someone... Believe me... U can't reason with antivax people. It's just... Idk
Anti-vax mom: We know our kids best
Every teen ever: Loud typing of LMAO
My druggie deadbeat tried to stop me getting vacinated 😂 he forgot he had 0 custody
LMAO
@@arthurmorgan9449 bro that made me die from laughter honestly
Yep. 99% of parents don’t see their kids realistically at all.
LMAO
My uncle died of Covid. He had CF and a double lung transplant. His anti rejection medication kept him from being vaccinated. He was who we were trying to protect.
So sorry for your loss.
This is what people who are against vaccines don't understand or don't care about. These people exist and their only protection is everyone ELSE getting vaccinated.
Same. My uncle was in a similar situation with a weak heart and didn’t get vaccinated and died of Covid. 💔
I’m sorry for your loss
The only thing that can be said is he practiced what he preached and paid the price for his views.
Sad reality, it happened to my Mom’s cousin who lied to the family about being vaccinated. She died and her husband was left crippled from covid-19. It has been so many years and likely the lessons of Covid will be ignored in the future.
“I don’t want my kids to have arthritis”
**Kid gets polio**
“Well at least he doesn’t have arthritis”
SebastianTheGreat AHAHAHHAHAHA
Guess what Polio comes from contaminated water not contact with infected people. My uncle had Polio with 5 other unvaccinated children he guy it from swimming.
@@tomarasmith4459 Yeah, but if you had a Polio vaccine, the chances of getting would be WAY lower.
@@cracqheadish908 I dont swim in lakes and ponds so my chances of getting it is low anyway. My uncle had Polio he was the only of 6 kids to contract it. I do know that the CDC lies about the risk of vaccines.
“vaccines cause autism 😡”
*gets measles and dies*
“at least he doesn’t have autism”
I had a bad reaction to a vaccine.
My parents didn’t want me to have vaccinations since I was 2. I am now 19 and went to get vaccines due to going into nursing. They told me if I had any worries they would work with an allergist to make sure I wouldn’t have a reaction. Simply talk to your doctor instead of believing they are secretly harming you.
Anela Wright thats what we did with our immunocompromised child. She doesn’t get the vaccines when everyone else does, but with the help of an allergist we’ve figured out the best course for her while still keeping her and others safe.
EXACTLY
Anything medical is stupid and makes the problems worse
Ben Lewis
What?
Im not
This annoys me. I got meningococcal septicaemia when I was younger because a vaccination wasn't available. I had all 4 limbs amputated and if a vaccination had been available at the time I wouldn't have had to go through that.
Your voice should be heard in the whole world
You are a strong beautiful lady, love from México.
how are you typing?
@ArgoLyte its supposed to be sarcastic ya woosh
@ArgoLyte you know what sarcastic was not the word I meant to use mainly because english is not my first language. But the dingus part got to me ... I wonder about your tought process. let us have a conversation what lead you to make a second coment? what made you think adding that comment would be a good thing ? I dont click on peoples chanels because most of the time they make a profile just to coment on the videos they liked. Maybe you should also have tought about that.
OOOHH IZZY! I at first read this thinking it sounded like your story and wondered whether you knew of it, then look at the username😂😂 ILYSM! Your channel is super awesome! 💖💖💖
When you have someone stating falsehoods and someone stating facts, middle ground is half truth.
I just might steal that. Thanks!
Thank you!
Middle ground is mostly trash, they just get people that cause drama so they can have a good show but they don't care much about the truth behind the topic they put people to discuss
This
yes. this isnt the same as social and political issues. its objective claims versus subjective claims.
"my child had an adverse reaction to a vaccine, so they can't be vaccinated"
So... Shouldn't you be advocating for others to vaccinate to stimulate herd immunity to protect your child?
Caseh honestly though I feel you. Like why in the world would you want your child at more risk.
Honestly that lady seemed like she felt attacked by people attacking anti-vaxxers... Her reasoning is incredibly stupid. She just feels like people judge her child. We don't. We want the other children to get vaccinated to help HER. Wish she doesn't get polio because of other idiotic anti-vaxxers.
thought the same.
I also thought that she seemed very attacked or judged. And she maybe also has good reasons for it. I heard a few stories of parents whose children had adverse effects after vaccines and the doctors did not believe them, and I think that must be a horrifying situation. I still believe that you should definitely vaccinate and that the benefits are very high.
But I think it is horrifying if doctors downplay issues or if they do not try to search for the cause of problems because they think the patients exaggerate stuff. The one women told her history of visiting many doctors because of her arthrities and no one looked into it enough to help her.
Well that sounds way too logical
I hear the safety of vaccines all of the time, but when I hear someone say that they cannot take it, but everyone else should. Spells Bull * to safety. Heard immunity is this bull * mentality of others that believe the world is a near-perfect place. When instead, We have plethoras of people that run across the border everyday into the United States, Take international flights and land in the United States with ILLNESSES. COVID-19. bleh. There is a time and a reason for a Vaccine, there also ISNT. Because the law of nature works against us. The illnesses that are going to let us sit and rot in a bed for the rest of our life such as polio. is a GOOD reason to vaccinate. Something absurd such as the FLU, or Hepatitis is a dumb reason. Because we are breading SUPER BUGS.
There’s a saying that goes something like this “Winning an argument against a smart person is hard. Winning an argument against an ignorant person is impossible.”
ok boomer
I agree with you. At least a smart person is rational.
bruh never heard anything truer in my life. smart, rational people will listen to your points, combat them appropriately, and are always open to be educated. having an argument with a person who is ignorant is like trying to talk to a tree stump - you have to repeat yourself over and over again and they'll never listen to your points. it's incredibly frustrating.
@@ZmZm525 ok boomer.....the new catch cry of the terminally ignorant with no real argument to add to the debate. Let me guess, you think the earth is flat, dont you?
@@heatherrowles2580 It's a misplaced reply. It doesn't apply to this situation but it is a valid response.
mellissa is right, her child shouldnt get vaccines, but telling others to not get vaccines as well, is wrong. its like saying, oh im allergic to peanuts, so you shouldnt ever eat peanuts because my daughter had a allergic reaction to peanuts. yes your child shouldnt get vaccines since theres a reaction to the body, but telling others, to not take vaccines is not right.
Agree people shouldn’t prevent others because of personal experiences
Agreed. Though I wouldn’t use this metaphor with anti-vaxxers. Just because we as a society DO ask other kids at schools not to bring peanut products so the kid with peanut allergies doesnt have a reaction.
I understand what your saying, but antivaxxers are very ______, so they can easy get confused.
my younger sister had a kidney reaction to a baby vaccine, and as a result, she had to be hospitalized for a few weeks, and she will not be able to get that specific vaccine again, and others that may have the same outcome. however, my family and I are still on vaccines. if my sister cannot get this vaccine, she is at risk of having this disease, and to avoid this it is necessary that the people who have contact with her have the vaccine. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, and those who for health reasons cannot be vaccinated.
took the words right outta my mouth 💯
Also, if anything, shouldn't she be encouraging others to get vaccines to create that herd immunity since her child couldn't get vaccines?
If your child has an autoimmune disorder you should be PRO vaccine, even if it means not vaccinating that child. You need the healthy children around your child to be vaccinated so they don't spread these preventable illnesses to yours
That's not the issue. The controversy isnt about weather a person should or shouldn't get vac instead, it's about weather or not it should be mandated and if people who refuse should lose their job or be jailed or fined into poverty.
calling an mrna gene delivery system a vaccine is the biggest misinformation.
everyone would be anti mrna gene delivery systemer
My best friend’s wife has Fibromyalgia and is anti - vaccine.
@@williampennjr.4448a mandate that is the direct result of the belief that you should be vaccinated and the fact that an overwhelming number of people didn’t want to get a vaccine for a potentially deadly virus that spread via person to person contact. Could you imagine if the number of people who didn’t want the covid vaccine would have been against the polio vaccine? We would have had millions of other people dead or in iron lungs and the virus would still exist and still be infecting people, but thanks to the vaccine and the mandates put in place and followed during its outbreak has literally eliminated the virus in the US. Guess where it isn’t eliminated? In certain 3rd world countries that didn’t have a vaccine and is only being treated and prevented by vaccines provided to them by the CDC as it’s goal is to eliminate the virus globally. Much like the Covid outbreak, polio also caused the government to close schools, public places, and also encouraged social distancing, along with the vaccine having potential side effects that included possible paralysis. Vaccination is nothing new, just as viral infections are nothing new, and the science behind their creation and use is pretty rock solid. Now if people who were unvaccinated couldn’t spread and infect others with the virus then vaccination probably wouldn’t be mandated, but it can and is spread by people so you put others at risk, not just yourself, when you remain unvaccinated during an outbreak of a potentially deadly virus…not sure what’s so difficult about that to understand.
Unless you study the information connecting the ingredients in vaccines and autoimmune issues.
mom who goes “parents know their child best” gives me bad “can i speak to your manager” vibes
Internet Comment Etiquette: Grayson I wouldn’t be surprised if her name was Karen.
People in the comments of that video were calling her Karen lmao 😂
"Can I speak"? I think it's more like... " *I DEMAND to speak to the manager here!* "
My name is Karen. And you are? 😒
Lol
I feel like the 2 anti vaccine moms were not listening, they were just waiting to talk.
I feel like (not to assume) that’s the problem of why they are so “ignorant” it’s because they don’t listen as much as they should
Zahir Datoo that has nothing to do with being American 😐
Zahir Datoo nope
Zahir Datoo everything you just said was wrong
Zahir Datoo anyone can be what you described, which is what you are
My daughter has a severe egg allergy and many vaccines are suspended in a type of egg protein. I strongly believe in vaccines because I have an autoimmune disease and heart condition. So I as a parent took my daughter to a specialist who did all her vaccines in divided dosages and we stayed in the office for 2 hours after each dosage. She is now a healthy 14 year old and has outgrown the egg allergy and has had ALL of her vaccines 🥰
My sisters kid has a severe egg allergy. She's waiting for it to die off before vaccinating her child. She's not antivax, she's just waiting to vax.
Good for her, but, I’ve never heard of an egg allergy.
@@nomila7297 It can be just as severe as a peanut allergy. Look it up
Dee
That’s one thing I learned today
Nice!
No different from someone saying they won't wear a seat belt because once every blue moon someone is saved by being thrown from the car.
My dad got into a really bad car accident and didn’t wear his seat belt. Surprisingly he was completely fine and would’ve died had he been wearing it. That being said, my aunt also didn’t wear a seat belt and her head hit the pavement so hard that she has an inoperable benign tumor in her brain that gives her chronic migraines. It’s much safer to wear one rather than not, my dad was just REALLY lucky
Id argue it's more like "i don't wear my seatbelt, because if my car gets trapped underwater, I don't wanna get stuck"
@@Vampirecronicler What you're going to have to do is show some proof here that the >75,000,000 in the US alone that had no jabs are any worse off than those of you that chose to participate .
Until then, quite literally all of your talking points are rendered completely debunked and moot.
Hope that helps!
doctor mike is extremely well-spoken. he's scientific enough to be factual, but relatable enough to be understood by all. well done!
bumblerat ;; I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am
a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants.
Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.
@@martinap2682 "there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe"
So in other words, every doctor in the world is wrong, and you are right.
Martina P weird flex but ok
@@martinap2682 r/iamverysmart
I’m allergic to penicillin. When I was given penicillin I had a really bad reaction. I don’t take penicillin anymore. Other ppl should still take it when needed bc MY experience is not the experience for everyone else. Isn’t that crazy!!!🤪
Same
Evan O'Dwyer I had to the same for the DTP vaccine - I was allergic to the illness Pertussis (whooping cough) to the point of if there is an outbreak I have to be quarantined. I had the rest of my vaccines and the rest of the DTP vaccine separated from the whooping cough bit in the hospital under supervision. But I will never not vaccinate because of my reaction, my kids will be vaccinated under close supervision because there are other people that need the protection just like I do from herd immunity
Im also allerguc to penicillin
@@rachaelevans8351 yes! This is how the people who have side effects from vaccines should be. It's okay to not take vaccines for VALID reasons, but they're assuming everyone's like them and telling everyone not to take vaccines. Never mind about coronavirus, these antivaxx people can wipe us out.
This was a little too funny because I’m actually legitimately allergic to amoxicillin (they don’t give me penicillin because they’re like sister drugs, very similar) 😂
“This bridge is only 99% safe so we should just swim in the shark infested water”
Wow thats a really good one!
I like this.
Yah. So many people fall asleep and never wake up so we should never sleep. When she said “Safe-ish” It drove me up the wall. Everything human’s do is “safe-ish” sleeping, eat, drinking, breathing, and even your heart beating. Glad to see other people agree with me that her way or thinking is flawed.
10/10 analogy
Well coud we exchange scharks with crokodiles?
Physician of 40 years here. During my residency in the early 80s I saw deaths due to epiglottis. I saw deaths from sepsis. I saw deaths from meningitis. All these were caused by haemophilus Influenza. In addition, I saw kids who survived haemophilus influenza but were left blind, deaf and not infrequently neurodevelopmentally impaired (what we once called mental retardation). The h flu vaccine was introduced in 85 and almost overnight we didn’t see invasive haemophilus disease. It seemed miraculous. In addition, I grew up where my best friend had a serious gait abnormality and the lady down the street had to spend 16 hours a day in an iron lung, both due to polio. My best buddy got polio the same year the vaccine became available - 1955/56 which was the same year the lady in the iron lung contracted it. After the polio vaccination polio essentially vanished.
They should've had Dr. Mike be apart of that video. I think it would've had a bigger impact on the anti-vaxxers.
TBH
Very true
@@MariaKiran1 with all due respect to Dr. Mike, these people have chose to believe their own "research" over scientific medical opinion. I don't think the doctor's words would knock sense into them.
@@sibinsamthomas4719 true.
With all due respect once you are an antivaxxer and you know the truth it doesnt matter who is in the video. Once you know the truth, you never go back. There are thousands of doctors that are also anti vax so your theory that our opinion is less medically valid than yours is pure fantasy. In reality provaccine science is corrupted science. Apparently a lot of people are comfortable with hearing this because they never dig any deeper than main stream medias stories to find out. If it were my kids life on the line, i would be concerned with the possibility of there being some truth to what antivax parents are saying. I would want to be positive before doing that to my kids . antivaxxer will never be provax again because they KNOW that pharmacuetical companies are liars and doctors are the 3rd leading cause of death in the US and unfortunately most of all, many of us found out first hand what I said is absolutely true. BUT you go ahead and trust them, your choice and your right to at least we know, we tried to warn you.
You're a good doctor, Mike. Thanks for putting this out there.
Daniel Thrasher love you’re vids man
Surprised to see you here, love
omg hi daniel💀
Why do i see you everywhere
hey its the piano man.
What I don't understand is if your child cannot be vaccinated due to adverse affects, why would you then advocate for anti vaccination? Your child is now a part of the group that relies on herd immunity...advocating for anti-vax just puts your own child at even more of a risk...🤦🏾♀️
Their making everything the same so they are not left out.
It's so hard to get rid of your kid without people judging you these days
Becky Cepeda thinking that through the entire video
Because they care less about their child than they do about being considered an idiot.
I commented this once and an anti vaxxer told me herd immunity isn’t a thing and that vaccines don’t in fact work...they’re so deluded
To speak on a personal item regarding vaccinations, when I was in the Army prior to deployment to certain locations on the planet, the Small Pox vaccine is administered to deploying service members. I was given an indefinite medical exemption based upon certain and specific criteria; it became exceptionally important that everyone else in my unit carry an immunological response if that were ever introduced to the environment. In that regard, all of their immune systems had my immune system's back when we were deployed.
For me personally I'd be far more convinced by a person who presents data than a person who presents personal anecdotes.
Kabir Basu both are useful, it depends on the audience that you are talking to, with these people talking about medicine with a bunch of big fancy words using personal anecdotes are useful. If you are talking about more down to earth, less big words, topics than stats are a lot more helpful.
@@riserevelation8471 Yep yep, most people are more convinced by anecdotes, especially if they can evoke emotion.
But as soon as someone starts to use emotion to try to convince me of something, I lose interest real quick, untill they start using data.
Of course this doesn't mean I've never been convinced by anecdotes in the moment, but if given the time to think about the arguments, I'd almost always be more convinced by the data.
Kabir Basu i agree with you, there is a fine amount of emotion that should be used when making an anecdotal argument, if the entire argument is ruled by emotion than people will just tune it out.
@@riserevelation8471 Yep, totally agree.
It's good you understand the data and statistics. As a scientist, I want to know those.
But I grew up with all the family stories of relatives suffering and dying of now preventable diseases. Those are facts, too. It's good to have true individual stories to tell that supplement stats for those who don't understand them. Most people don't know anybody who has had a preventable disease. It hits home when you've witnessed the fear of you or your child being infected with something horrible.
"The one in a million is not a real number"
"It is. It's publis -"
"No. It's not."
Actually depends on which side effect we're talking about.
Funny and sad at the same time
@@pinkmillk how about serious side effects?
www.vaccines.gov/basics/safety/side_effects
Looks like he made a good guess too, 1 in a million.
@サイレントボイス did you read the beginning of the comment? The serious ones. Also the site lists the common side effects, if people are risking not only their lives but the lives of others because of those then they need to get their priorities in order.
@@jackmerry1972 nahhh
When I was 13, I choked on food. I stopped eating as I didn’t want to increase my risk of choking again. Join me and stop eating, don’t feed your children either, as they might choke aswell.
Comment so good it doesn't need anymore replies.
I am now anti-food
Food is just part of a big conspiracy from the big food chains and the government (which is in reality composed of big, gluttonous panda bears disguised as politicians). Your body doesn't need food, I read it from some random guy's blog online, and I trust him. Now I'm anti-food. Get informed, sheep!
I once almost drowned, so now I won’t let me or my kids drink liquid.
I agree 100% of people who eat food die regardless of choking.
Appreciate you for not waffling, risking losing a few subscribers, and making a definitive stand.
Every time I get a tetanus shot, I get really bad aches and a fever for a couple days, but I still get one every 10 years because I'm not an idiot. I'll take the crappy couple days for something that could save my life
I haven't had a tetanus shot in about 30 years, never had tetanus. It's a bogus vaccine that you don't need unless you're constantly surrounded by rusty metal. Kinda like how they give newborns hepatitis vaccines that are only really received from sexual intercourse and needle sharing. Must suck to be so fucking brainwashed.
onetimeontheriver dealer the baby could get hepatitis from family who unknowingly have hepatitis and it doesn’t have to be from sex. It’s protecting the child. Even if the likelihood is low , why not try to protect your kid if you can, it’s not 100% but it’s better than risking something preventable
@@onetimeontheriverdealer4405 all these fake illnesses are invented by evil corporations so they can sell us more vaccines and medicines. Think about it have you ever seen bacteria? no because they don't exist. oh and don't forget all the mind control agents they put in vaccines. Some people even believe we went to the moon. do you even anti-vax bro?
@@adrienne2838 Because the odds are so unfuckingbelievably low that it's actual insanity. Maybe if the baby was born into a family that lives in a crack house you might have a point but otherwise no. Even if they were to come into contact with someone that had the disease, even then the odds of it actually being transmitted to the baby are astronomically low.
onetimeontheriver dealer and the odds of something life threatening happening from a vaccine are also low so why not, and in adulthood the human may be in greater risk than in infancy, either way it’s gonna be a good idea to get it at some point
Since vaccination has put vaccine preventable diseases at the verge of elimination, the fear of such diseases has also decreased. So, people are undermining the importance of Vaccination.
all that was on the decline cdc evidence suggest through statistics because of natural herd immunity before vaccines. the measles? where you have a less that one percent of one percent chance of dying, almost the same with the mumps and rubella. you have a better chance of dying from the common flu, cold, pneumonia, medication, or just staying in the hospital from nurses not following the seven rights for medication. pharmaceutical drug related deaths average almost 380k a year. . and why does a baby need a hep B shot if the mother of father didn't carry, hep B is only transferred through sex and bodily fluids, polio was common but fear mongering was used just like the H1N1, Ebola. it isn't necessary, think about it you only here about something political, medical and terror thereats when theirs an agenda after its goal is accomplished you dont here it again and the media focuses on something new, all these things existed before and will after but its not really serious in comparison to other REAL threats. do your home work not be sheeple like the rest of Americans.
don't stand on her grave like that to make a statement bro , look up all the case of children dying who still got vaccinated and died because of a reaction . and majority of the time other than immigrants its those who carry the antigen who spread it to others and also contract it themselves. im not anti medicine but honestly some doesn't work and scientist along with GOV need to go back to the drawing board instead of using 30 year old methods that still raise questions in health and safety. im pro group, not select individuals. plus get the full story cause she might of been already sick then contracted it then died due to the result of an already compromised immune system. remember less that 1% or 1% die. thousand used to get it but less than 1% of 1%.
@U bro its called google and due diligence. like most sheeple , after being provided with evidence and links and having lengthy conversations all you guys do is bait people in and waste their time. cause yall pretend to be interested then HEAR the person to reply but Not LISTEN to understand. so and like most even if evidence was right before you, the lack or mental mechanics, intellectual understanding of statistics and graphs and scientific literature is hard when most cant be unbiased, objective, and without prejudice to even begin to hold a unique in influenced thought. plus most cant overcome their EGO. that why most listen to educated fools like some doctors who never studied about vaccines but tell you there safe.
@U because politics is what passes bills that approve of these practices and also provide funding and tax cuts to big pharma. but dont pick apart the convo. its seem like your a little kid trolln on here now cause by the lack of understanding and the false sense of understanding.....like a cloak of competency. this rebuttal is really getting old and your lacking common sense right now. peace sheep.
@U yeah 0.0001% of Americans have it now. WOW! the flu has killed more just this year but theirs not a single main media outlet that would say it. hummmm. agenda , agenda, fake news!
My mom almost decided against vaccinating me. She only changed her mind when the doctor looked her in the eyes and said “the saddest thing I’ve ever seen was an infant with whooping cough. We couldn’t explain what was happening and they just kept crying. I don’t want you to see that.”
10/10 from your doctor
you mom loves you huh
luckily the doctor allowed her to make the right decision at the time
I don't know why this reminded me of this but it did so I'll share. My mother was having a hard time giving birth to me so they called in a specialist. She (according to the story) didn't acknowledge my father and walked up to my mother and grabbed her hand. She said something like "we're going to do a C-section. Ok?" And my mom said yes or some variant. It saved both my life and hers. It's good to be educated especially when you have time, but folks doctors know what they're doing and most if not all want to help you. Educate yourself, but you need to trust your pediatrician and any other medical professional before you see them, as in you need to know you can rely on them to do what's best.
Radiator Bacon that’s an awesome story, your mom and that specialist are incredible
@@skylarj3374 yeah from what I heard it was dope. It's one of the main reasons I trust medical professionals, because no matter how much we think we know our bodies, in the end 9/10 the doc knows best.
5:40 The problem with this topic is, it is very hard to really become responsibly informed. I noticed this while researching vaccines for my kids - I just wanted a good overview of ingredirnts, potential risks and adverse effects vs. benefits. And as soon as you try to just inform yourself (which I believe is incredibly important before putting something in your body and is understood when talking about foods), you get sucked into anti-vaxer world. Why is that? Because there arent enough doctors and professionals appropriately reacting to valid questions. If yiu ask question, you are immediately dismissed instead of taken seriously. And there ARE potential aide effects, especially for people with preexisting conditions or physical specificalities. If these concerns were met with actual seriousness and acknowledegment instead of "you must be crazy, it's safe" , and people got actual answers and information, more "anti-vaxers" may have made a different decision because they did have all the facts: ackbiwledegement that adverse effects are indeed real and posible, but that in most cases the potential benefits heavily outweigh the potenital risks. All many people want is to be taken seriously and having questiins answered concerning a complex field they may not be versed in.
These "moms" take a personal specific case and think it can be applied to all cases.
It amazes me how these people think their sample size of one (without controls, data, analysis etc.) is greater evidence than 3 clinical study phases involving thousands... not to mention post-licensure monitoring of vaccine safety. They mention risk-benefit analysis but yet seem unable to perform such even when faced with expert opinion and evidence. Protecting kids from vaccinations is like telling a kid not to wear a seatbelt because it may cause bruising in an accident.
yes they have a bad effect to vaccines they think vaccine=bad
Wait I agree with your argument but the use of quotes around moms has me very confused
@@sashat3632 I presume it's to denot sarcasm and his personal opinion that they're not qualified to be parents.
Honestly I didn't believe for a second that woman has arthritis. Problem with their little anecdotes is how utterly vague they are
"Don't confuse your google search to my medical degree" -The to many memes I have i seen
Your sentence is unintelligible and I bet you gave yourself a thumb's up. Fuck the filth that are vaccines and fuck shills.
Summer Joy also, fuck children growing old! Wait... that’s not right.
Fuck anti-vaxxers and their misinformed, uneducated view point that is actively killing children
@@summerjoy6849 his sentence is perfectly legible , you've just shown yourself to be dumb right there
@@summerjoy6849 His sentence is legible and vaccines are good
@@rainbowroxgirl6091 Anti-Vaxxers are secretly people who fight overpopulation of the world
It really frustrates me that the antivaxxers got way more time to speak and just ignored literally everything the doctor said
This is why we just let them Have it their way, let them and their kids drop dead like flies and just continue informing the uninformed
Sadly, however, they don’t just endanger themselves and die out but also endanger their young kids who don’t know better or others and deplete herd immunity. Fucking selfish ideology.
So true I wanted to hear more from the pro-vaccine More and the anti a LOT less but of course they got to interrupt and say “no,no” when they disagree and then go into a big rant of “oh your numbers are off” and “well I have arthritis now” do you even have proof that, that happened due to the vaccine you had or just spouting whatever you feel because you couldn’t find the source? Utter nonsense. Also what happens to the kids with auto-immune disease who get polio and measles? Gonna blame that on other kids who get their vaccines? Shouldn’t you want your kids protected from a early death due to stupid decisions?
Edan But that’s not fair to their children 🙁
@@JustAmenty They do, actually. Blame kids with the vaccines, I mean. I had a discussion on Quora with an anti-vaxxer who was absolutely convinced her son had gotten the flu from his friend who had just gotten the flu vaccine. Because "He was shedding the virus and also got sick".
I think understanding the compassion here has helped me a lot. I think I previously fell into the camp of believing that all anti-vaxxers were simply ignorant or misled, but seeing that there can be the statistical unlikelyhoods that affect them so personally, I can see why this would become an emotionally charged issue for them that would lead them to believe differently than what statistics would show. I think understanding their perspective can help people like me to understand why throwing statistics at them doesn't help, and how compassion is the real way to connect with real people.
I "understand" a mass-murderer has a psychotic personality and perhaps incurred abuse as a child = yet they are still a murderer........ "Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. _Cause & Effect_ still applies here.........
What did you think about the discriminations, human right violations, about the violently forced human experiment vaccinations, about all the threatenings and suppression hundreds of millions of unvaccinated people had to face in the last few years globally?
How on earth could you people accept that other people were harassed, suppressed, threatened and discriminated by armed police forces payed by public money, by your corrupted nazi politicians, by your medical 'professionals'..:
Did you really think it is OK ?
Man.....
@@varyolla435
"Empathy" only goes so far. We still have to confront the real world impact of vaccine resistance and what it facilitates. Cause & Effect still applies here........."
WTF are you suggesting provaxers fanatic zealot?
Do you compare innocent, unvaccinated people who resist your crazy religion and human experiments to murderes and psychos?
Man, obviously not all provaxers are the same. But the real provaxers, the aggressive ones are the worst kind of monsters, the real successors of Hitler.
The issue is the research most of them are referring to are anecdotal evidence of similar cases.. For eg the lady attributing her arthritis to vaccines.. How do we determine that attribution is correct. .
Vaccines are being made better in terms of efficacy and side effects every day.. The problem is their research doesn't actually include scientific papers...
Holy F im cringing every time she say "Investigating vaccines". We all know her investigation is sitting on google finding the most ridiculous information that human race came up with
Betting it's not even google, it's just random opinions of moms on facebook lmao
@@Duskitten Even better lol
Exactly !!! This couldn’t be more annoying
Just waiting for a wild Karen to come.
probably yahoo search tbh
If I'm allergic to peanut doesn't mean that peanut will kill everyone I won't become an antipeanut activist
@@prudence8808 i bet they cant understand this peanut analogy either
Takuya V they won’t 😹
@@vreep7497 They can hear you but they won't, they look for trouble while others don't
@@prudence8808 I'm anti mandatory vaccines, but these comments are killing me! Comedy Gold!
A humanist potato INTO THE UNKOWNNNNNNNNN
Doctor Mike is right. I strongly disagree with the woman who said it's hard to trust a doctor who only sees your child for 10 minutes twice a year. Let me tell you why. I go to a specialist twice a year for my allergies. When she saw me, she noticed I looked very pale and tired. My mom, who is a nurse, didn't notice, even I myself didn't. The doctor did a blood test and it turned out I had anemia due to severe blood loss in my stomach, due to an inflammation. SHE SAVED MY LIFE! In the 10 minutes she saw me, only twice a year.
It's fine to question your doctor and discuss options. But I do trust my doctors too. If you don't trust your doctors.. find new doctors. I'm glad you're okay!
My new doc found out my allergies too and thought I WAS TOO WHITE the second she saw me which others didnt think.
Turns out I had a massively-severe vitamin D deficiency affecting my teeth and my immune system. Now without cavities and no more sneezing everyday! Now leading a way better quality of life without having to chug antihistamines like candy :)
She was more expensive than my other docs but I actually spent way less money and time with her than other docs.
My eye specialist immediately saw that I had a squint eye that somehow no one ever noticed? Just after the doctor said it everyone was like: ooh now that I look for it I can see you have a squint eye.
Doctors now what to look for, they studied the human body, they meet tons of people everyday that with the same or similar symptoms. They should anticipate how the body of your child reacts to something based on the medical history etc. It is not like every child is so special that somehow all that knowledge they have doesn't apply to them anymore and doctors become absolutely clueless.
It's true! I was having stomach pains and the second I walked through the door my doctor said "You have appendicitis, you're walking slightly bent to the right", made me get an ultrasound to confirm it and I was taken to the OR immediately to get an appendectomy. She saved my life🤷🏻♀️ and she knew it the second I walked in.
You posted this on the other video
Becoming a parent doesn’t grant you a medical degree or make you a therapist. You’re well-intentioned but to say that you know what will or won’t hurt your child from a medical standpoint better than someone who has spent their life studying medicine…no, you don’t. Respectfully, you don’t.
Dr. Robert Malone, the creator of the mRNA vaccine, also had serious concerns about its use as a Covid vaccine. Respectfully - I tell you that maybe you should have been listening to what he had to say - along with the long list of experts who weren't "anti-vaxx" but who had serious concerns about this particular one: you should also ask yourself why on earth were they never allowed air time to voice those concerns?
@@jackspring7709respectfully, I’ll trust the other thousands of doctors who say otherwise :) also, he didn’t “invent” the mRNA vaccine, he was a minor contributor among hundreds of other scientists, though I don’t blame you for this one, because research literacy is a very niche skill.
@jackspring7709 being skeptical about a single vaccine should not make someone an anti vaxxer though
Respectfully, I will decide what gets injected into my child. I will say no to shots. Cry about it
@@Aplaxta you’ll be the one crying after your child gets a decease from another unvaccinated child, not us
(I really hope that it will not happen to your child, but you yourself make it more likely to happen)
Medical professional: here are the facts
Professional googlers: no, no, no
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Best comment ever 😂
It is truly sad that so many people have been led to believe that Drs are the know all end all. It doesnt take a genius to realize anyone can learn anything with the information that is readily available if you look for it. When youre blind to all the doctors that disagree with the main stream propaganda, its real easy to make arrogant and ignorant comments such as yours. When the medical profession is the third leading cause of death, you would think a lot more people would become aware maybe they arent as smart as you have been led to believe!!! Why are so many people dying at the hands of the medical proffession? You think your making jokes but maybe you might want to take it a little more seriously because someday you or someone you love might be one of those statistics. Will it still be funny?
The mom who says that vaccines are safe-ish shouldn't use any medication I guess... ALL drugs have adverse effects even the most used medication so what's her point?
Caroline Deghilage Exactly! I was taking a medication called Lamotrigine that gave me Steven Johnson’s Syndrome. I was told it was a very RARE side effect of that medication and a statistical anomaly, but somehow I still ended up with a rash that would very quickly become necrotic. SJS is a terrifying rash that causes widespread necrosis and was incredibly scary to deal with as a teenager. Does that mean I don’t take medications when I’m prescribed them? Hell no. ALL medications come with side effects and we as a populous take them because the benefits outweigh the side effects.
This is so true.
Pretty much shouldn’t eat nor drink too
Driving or flying is also safe-ish. Maybe she should just keep herself and children locked away in the bunker for life.
Isn’t it funny how these people that don’t trust doctors will run to the emergency room for broken bones and surgery 🤔 they don’t trust vaccines that their doctors support but trust them to fix their broken bones 🤔
I feel like listening to any anti-vaxxer is BEYOND frustrating when you are from a third world country, rejecting vaccines comes from their privilege of living in a developed country that we most certainly don't have
People from third world countries know better than anyone how dangerous vaccines are since pharma loves to use them as guinea pigs. See, Im pretty sure they have caught on , and Im sure Africa probably doesnt appreciate Bill Gates giving them polio What a prick giving them the oral polio vaccine when we discontinued it here because it causes polio. More cases of vaccines der1ived polio exists today than the wild polio. So what is actually beyond frustrating is all of you just regurgitating the same old
fake vaccine stories you have been told all your life and never looking yourself to see if there is any truth to what we say at all. But hey, dont listen to us. Millions of us are all just delusional parents. Ha ha
@@dawn1568 yes you are who thinks earth is flat.
@@dawn1568 Nope, I'm from a third world country and we get all our vaccines here.
@@dawn1568 Polio cases have jumped off a cliff in India since the Pulse Polio Program. Shoo, condescending snowflake.
@@dawn1568 you are talking about unethical testing. But the topic here is whether vaccines (after due procedures or testing) is important or not.
“I did my own research”
“Source?”
“Moms net”
It's like being anti-surgery because there's a death rate for every operation.
Good point I am now anti-surgery
So you die later guaranteed while in pain or you take the risk of living longer without the pain/dying on the table while already knocked out..........I’ll take my chances of dying on the table. Unless circumstances state otherwise.
Azure Blaze To each there own!
That's such a great point.😄😂
0x39 no. It's like doing a cost/benefit analysis before EACH INDIVIDUAL surgery.
Too bad we don't do that.
Oh wait...
This is such a good example of why I want to be an educator and why I value education so much. I love that you emphasized how important that growth of knowledge is, especially in the medical field. 🙌🏻 You have a fantastic channel.
Educator or indoctrinator?
@@maplebob23 What you call it depends on your level of Education, or Indoctrination.
maplebob23 Educator. I would hope I’d have better morals than to cling to something without sufficient evidence or reason. If that became the case in any scenario, not just within this debate, I’d have to reasonably adjust my worldview. However, I do believe that at this point in time vaccinations are easily the best way to protect all people against preventable and widely catastrophic diseases when they’re properly researched and implemented. :)
@@iamf6641 people strongly recomend you dont smoke, yet a great percentage smoke as teens, hiding by the fact that at most it will kill them when they are 70, which we all know it is not true and yet people are against that fact and still smoke... So is that recomandation Indoctrination or Education to you
@@serxhio9 what smoke?
In India, a large act was passed and doctors were sent to Pre-primary schools and homes of parents whose children were less than 5 year old and giving free polio vaccines to those who haven't got it yet and now Polio has been eradicated from India. I was one of the many children who benefited from it and I'm proud to say I'm pro-vaccine.
In the US scince 1980 all cases of polio have originates outside the country too. Thankfully we still have a 90% polio vaccination rate
Bro most of our people are pro vaccine and a few how are anti vax also believe that vaccination works but they don't want it
are there people in India who are anti vaccine
@@rishabbomma9361 yeah but they are way too less almost negligible my mom is a immunizations she told me that they only faced anti vaccine people during mmr vaccine they were mostly a small group of Muslims who were against modi but when they were clearly explained about the vaccine they changed their minds
the same thing was done in bangladesh with a disease called Rubela :D im also pro vaccine.
What I want to know is how prevalent are these diseases that you're getting vaccinated for? If there is a 1 in 3000 chance of getting an adverse reaction but a 1 in 10000 chance of getting the disease, then I think that changes the discussion. No one talks about how common or rare the disease is when asking about vaccines. I have never had a doctor who wanted to discuss vaccinations. If you ask a pediatrician any question about the vaccine, he or she will hand you a yellow single-print slip of paper and often times say "it's your choice but if you don't want the shot, take your kid out of my office." Ive never had any doctor actually give me any useful information that I could use to make an informed decision
Superficial logic......... Question: how do viral infectious diseases spread?? Answer: vulnerable people who become infected to then infect others.
Moral of the story: the *ONLY* reason a vaccine-preventable infectious disease might not be very prevalent as you say is owing to = existing herd immunity keeping it in check - herd immunity created largely in part from mass vaccination.
When people refuse to vaccinate however because they as you try to do here erroneously deduce their risk is not very high = that opens the door for increased incidence - which subsequently increases that risk of exposure.
Thus there are no such things as "unnecessary vaccines". Vaccines were created in response to infectious diseases and thus = "risk" already exists. Vaccines help to reduce that incidence which drives your risk of exposure/infection. Methinks you should leave science to those who understand it. "You" are not the arbiter of public health policies I'm afraid.
@varyolla435 I didn't say I was the arbiter of public health policies. I said no one wants to even have the discussion, they want you to either choose vaccines or get out, and your response to that was to insult and degrade me as a form of trying to change my mind. It's hard to make an informed decision that affects my personal health when no one will discuss the matter in an open and understanding way. I like Dr Mike's approach, being understanding and sympathetic, and answering questions without bias. I don't think my question about weighing risk and reward is poor logic. Every medical decision you make comes down to weighing risk and reward. You don't just get a CT scan every so often to make sure you have don't have brain tumors, that wouldn't be beneficial because the risk (and the cost) of doing so outweigh the benefit. You get a CT scan when you show signs of a potential brain injury. If a disease is incredibly rare to begin with, why risk injury from a vaccine to protect against something that's unlikely to affect you? I don't take antivenom as a preventative to getting a snake bite. And saying "you're not a scientist so shut up" is not going to convince me otherwise. All I'm asking for is a compassionate discussion and useful information that isn't rife with insults and derision.
@@kelseymardlin2375 *INFECTIOUS* diseases......... = let that sink in and marinate a bit. Then work on your reading skills.
So one more time as it is not exactly rocket science. The *ONLY* reason a vaccine-preventable illness might have "low incidence" is because of = herd immunity as noted. What drives herd immunity you say??? Answer: *VACCINATION* is the main contributor.......
Hence the more people who refuse to vaccinate = the greater the incidence. Your argument therefore is self-defeating.
@@kelseymardlin2375 You bring up fair points but my question to you is what vaccines are routinely given that have a greater likelihood of you having an adverse reaction to the vaccine, than the likelihood of you contracting the disease the vaccine is supposed to cover?
I love the way you're educating us. Without judging, explaining every argument in a scientific way. Do what you do, because you're very inspiring and amazing!
I have to completely disagree with your statement. Doctor Mike appears to be the very reasons you find employee elevators in the hospital reminding doctors and nurses to be human towards patients. I have to go to work, and plan on responding and saying more in about 4- 5 hours. Science has its cult following. Science is a tool...psst, a tool. Not doctrine. I am not religious in the slightest. My kid has all her vaccines. Yes, Im gearing for a fight...this is years of douche VAXXERS shoveling sh!t around and they can't even hear the other side...so goes the juvenile two sided discussion. Doctor Mike does not seek to empower parents in the right direction. He repeatable hints at controlling and subjugating parents.
"Educating us "might be a little too much to say.
Informing is better.
@@markstewart4501 that's rather agressive towards a rather passive comment.
@@markstewart4501 I don't think, that you understood what I meant to say. I just wanted to thank Dr. Mike for educating me in a very hot topic- vaccines, and support him in doing so. As Family Guy wrote, I might use the word informing, but I found this video educating for me, so I don't see it as a mistake. I'm glad, that your child has all her vaccines , but I still don't see why you sort of attacked me, and had to completely disagree with my statement, which I didn't show in my comment. I haven't wrote, that vaccines are great or not. I just wanted to support Mike in what he does and I don't know how or why my comment irritated you so much.
@@SoulAlis Interesting. If I used simple words and suggested compulsion with out proper justification upon millions you wouldn't see that as aggressive?
Bob Sears, the anti-vaccine pediatrician, got his license suspended after causing an outbreak of a preventable disease in the city he lives. You can look it up.
Nice
Yup. Measles outbreak in Southern California. 100% preventable.
The thing that sucks is that it's not directly affecting the people who make the decision to not vaccinate your kid.
Holy shit, your right. Jubilee needs to get some better people.
Meli Rayne shit your right
respectfulinsolence.com/2018/06/29/dr-bob-sears-finally-faces-discipline/
Man I'm so glad there's nuanced videos like this out there! Not only cause I can't imagine a better way to appeal to the anti-vaxxers and possibly change their minds than what you did here, but also because you set the right example for pro-vaxxers to treat the anti with respect and understanding, just so wholesome I love it
Luuk
At the end of the day, Anti vaxxers are still retarded and basing their values/belief on very very very rare exceptions. Which is fallacious and retarded.
Anti vaxx activists really need to be treated hostilely. Their openly insane and hoping to diminish our protections from disease.
@@Ishiinrue you are the worst sort of person.
@@Ishiinrue you should watch Jeff Holliday's videos on TH-cam. He is great at explaining how vaccines work and debunks that Vaxxed movie
5:20 she's unknowingly explaining why vaccinating the majority of children is important.
Doctor: “The side effects are like 1 in a million”
Mom: “No”
Mom “I know its not because I did my research on safari”
medical degrees dont count
JB Studio wikipedia is the true source of knowledge
ashton kutcher which articles can be edited by uneducated people
JB Studio everything was done on Wikipedia
We all know real doctors use Internet Explorer!
Trained doctor: "The side effects are one in a million"
Internet mom: "no"
Internet mom: I disagree
I mean they did clarify that was for anaphylactic shock and that other side effects are more common. Ofc the reasor that is a seizure isnt as impactful as the disease so the main thing being to anaphylactic shock to not getting the vaccine
that made me so FUCKING MAD
Internet mom: I like my opinion better than your facts
"That's not a real number"
Dr. Mike is really smart! This video should be viewed nationwide.
Nationwide is on your side
Agreed
as are all doctors....being smart...you know..because they're doctors..
Worldwide...
@@barrendrum7748 😂
As a scientist I don't want the emotional personal anecdotes, I want the data, the pie charts, the statistics, and the clinical trials.
Was anyone annoyed at how arrogant the anti-vax mothers were being? They were told a genuine statistic and opinion and they just shook their heads acting like they’re geniuses.
to be fair the stats are probably exaggerated to some extent, but that doesn't mean they're any less valid and worth considering (like I think Dr. Mike said 1/3000 or so instead)
I was irritated after the beginning when the redhead said a vaccine gave her arthritis because she was "too young to develop it", made me want to grab the woman and yell at her, "Explain that to me at 17 when I hadn't had a vaccine in over 2 years, Karen!" (That was when I was officially diagnosed with arthritis.) But the willingness to ignore than specialists story, too, about the child who had to lose all of his limbs to a preventable disease, also just irritated me further. How far does your head have to be up your ass to just ignore something like that, or statistics?
Trust the doctors....they went to school for four years or long just for this kind of stuff. YOU DIDN’T YOU WENT TO GOOGLE
I mean the anti vaxxers did not specifically you Tristian DR
the doctor in the video was arguing not to give accurate statistics but to make up stories to sell vaccines. The moment they believe in this voodoo they think they are doing the right thing to cover up an injury etc and when a whole cult does that their statistics are completely unreliable and very far off.
Pro vax: I saw a child have 4 limbs amputated.
Anti vax: BUT I HAD ARTHRITIS :(
YOU WOULD’INT HAVE ARTHRITIS IF YOUR ARMS WERE CHOPPED OFF fingers? Hand?
Man those doctors had infinite patients. If it were me, I would have knocked her out.
She says that arthritis doesn't occur at that age
One of my good friends mom has arthritis at twenty
In fact it can occur to anyone
slapp bass yea literally had a kid in my year 3 class with it ???
@Naomi Roxanne Dijs Did you at all listen to doctor mike?
Hello Dr Mike ! I was hoping that you can talk about birth control. I’ve heard that there isn’t many long term studies about birth control which worries me because people claim that it is very unnatural and eventually will harm your body.
Seriously. My mom thinks my uterus is dying because I have a Mirena and don't get periods. Ugh!
I would like him to talk about this as well!
@@MsMSB2012 I don't think it will rot your uterus lol. But doctors suggest to at least have your period every 3 months when on birth control.
This is a great suggestion!
Yes! Please
You have such a good attitude Dr Mike
The fact is that your videos are better than what I learn at school.
Guuuurl❤
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@@BR-x64 true
@@severin8285 @bradleyryan you guys are just mad because she's got noticed😂
@Korean Cactus ?? Bruh I’m not mad I’m just saying
"In the end parents know their children best"
This statement floored me when the mom said it. Sure, personality wise that's correct. A mom knows her daughter's personality and her likes and dislikes better than anyone. But if that kid becomes very ill or has a nasty fall off her bike and breaks her arm......knowing her favourite band-aid color or, favourite flavor of soup won't matter. These doctors have dedicated years of their life to knowing how to handle these situations.
wow, you put your words so well together.
I agree, but also on more than just what the child likes or not. I myself went through a rough faze in school where I would have headaches, stomach aches, feel nauseous and often thought i was either sick or something was chronically wrong with me. My mother brushed this off because "she was my mother and knew me best". She told me that i would be fine and should stop focusing so much on it because i was fueling it. Not long after i found out that i had depression though my doctor and that affected my eating habits as well as hydrating myself and sleeping properly. The fact that my mom brushed it off because she was used to knowing me best annoys me and could have saved me a lot of self-destructive behavior without knowing.
A parent knows their child best-always trust a parent when they say something about their child is different. But a parent can't know why the child is acting so different and how to fix it-that's where the doctors come in.
As someone who works with children, there aren't many parents left who even know their children on a social level. Or for that matter even care. Some (not all) of these same parents who claim to be anti-vaccination because they love their children and want what's best for them certainly have no problem dumping them off at daycare all day, even if they're sick, and couldn't tell you a damn thing about their child. While there are certainly individuals who are against vaccinations for their own valid reasons, there are just as many who do it because it's "trendy."
That's the argument they shreik from the rooftops. "I know my child best!"
I had an antivaxxer tell me that and pissed them off pretty badly by replying "cool. You know what coffin color they will want then."
“Parents know their children the best.”
Well okay then, how about next time your kid gets appendicitis you can do the surgery :D
Parents know them well enough to know that there is something wrong and get them to the ER. Drs don't check in to see if you have appendicitis. Even if the Dr was the kid's Aunt, she still wouldn't call and ask for symptoms every day. But mom's do - 'Hey, how are you doing today?'
Aside from the fact that, that sentiment was supposed to be about personality rather than internal workings of biology, I never understood it anyways. No, you don't. In fact, on average - especially over the course of years, parents know their children the LEAST. Yes, if your child is a whee little baby who you carry in your arms then you are likely the person who knows their personality (or whatever little there is of it at this stage) the best, but that's ALL. and all of that completely disappears once the child grows up and has friends, goes to school. In fact, for most people their close friends know them best.
If that sentiment were true, the only time a parent would take a child to the hospital would be to get a prescription; and even then, the parent would tell the doctor "Timmy needs 400mg of Blahblahblah for the next week. Be a dear and write that up for me."
No offense to my mother, but if she told me one thing and a doctor told me another (in the context of health), I'm going with the doctor. As much as I love her, Mom didn't go to medical school. And you know what? She could be right and the doctor could be wrong. But I know what has the better chance of happening.
Oh snap
@@emilykelly2815 that's totally missing the point. the implication of the quote is that parents always know the best course of action for their kids. no, doctors are not omnipresent omniscient miracle workers. but they know how to prevent, diagnose, and treat illness, and refusing to listen to their advice is almost always a terrible idea.
I remember around Covid time I started having a really bad cough, coughing up phlegm, mind you I am UNVACCINATED. Everybody kept saying you probably having a reaction to that Covid shot, you got vaccinated didn’t you, blah blah blah. Come to find out it was gluten, I have a gluten allergy! lol so yes sometimes those “vaccine adverse reactions” are just that, a coincidence.
What annoys me the most is that Melissa is anti-vax because her daughter can't get vaccinated so her daughter actually relies on herd immunity to not get seriously sick. Yes there are certain cases where vaccines are bad for a specific person but in my opinion I believe that this is all the more reason to be pro-vax because then you rely on herd-immunity to survive.
Caroline Borham finally someone said it🙌
Precisely! I am a huge advocate for vaccination because I cannot be vaccinated. I have allergies but went to the great effort and expense to be desensitised. I have since been diagnosed with an autoimmune disorder that means I don't develop immunity. I rely on other people to keep me safe and unfortunately people are increasingly making decisions that put me and people like me at risk.
🙌🙌
Caroline Borham Some people believe herd immunity doesn't exist.
Exactly!! I couldn't understand why she's Anti-Vaxx when it'll only benefit her child
This is such a 1st world problem. I live in Kenya where there is no question to not getting vaccinations. You can still see people who have been afflicted by polio. The government have polio programs where public health officials go around giving oral vaccination for polio. I teach Biology at a school and when I teach about vaccination and bring up anti vaxxers my students think they are crazy.
Just a side note. Oral polio, was causing actual polio outbreaks, people were shedding it. Therefore USA stopped giving it. Now they give ipv..
@@drakedespain9924 , was it necessary to immediately start cursing at someone because you disagree with their wording? Gear down there, big rig >.>;
Dean Randolf we’re not saying you’re not allowed to do it, we’re just using our first amendment rights to point out that you were being kinda unnecessarily rude
@@drakedespain9924 , I wasn't telling you not to say it. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should do it. Besides, you catch more flies with honey... People are more open to hearing your side of things when you aren't cursing at them anyways, but you do you lol
@@drakedespain9924 "It's not a first world problem fuckhead." Failed to follow up your assertion there, waste of characters.
"Just because a country makes more money than another doesnt mean that that richer country arent allowed to have problems." Off-topic, OP never said otherwise.
"If you make a million a year you still have problems, they're different problems, but everyone always has their own issues." Great, it's a first-world problem, glad you now agree with OP.
You don't socialize much do you? "First amendment right", you're a product of failed parenting and excessive internet usage.
"parents know their children best" my parents didnt know I had ADHD, a mood disorder, or Ehlers-Danlos until a doctor informed them.
I am unable to take the flu vaccine without having a dangerous reaction to it. I have contracted H1N1 flu virus. It was the sickest I have ever been in my life. It took me months to get back to full health.
To everyone who recieves a flu vaccine each year I extend a huge thank you. I appriciate every person who gets vaccinated and helps lower my chances of catching the flu again.
I have been able to be vaccinated for everything else required in my life and my children have all been vaccinated without any issues. We all need to do our part in helping each other stay healthy and safe.
Blessed be and good health to all of you.
@@mareikeho7425 you have copied this comment from someone. I saw this comment.
@@naveennidhurshan6939 Yeah I saw it too
you had the eric the midget disease
My parents didnt know I had tongue tied until I was 10/11. Not as serious as the poster but hey they both have something wrong with speech.
From a doctor to another, I highly praise your comments in this subject. Bravo!
**antis talking about pros downplaying something while completely downplaying all the benefits of vaccines**
They're such hypocrites
And downplaying just how bad things like polio, measles, ect. are.
One lady said just bc she doesn’t have “Dr” in front of her name doesn’t make her less informed… ID BEG TO DIFFER
I made a remix of anti vaxxers
While creating mass fear and hysteria by exaggerating the side effects of vaccines and other conditions that aren't even related such as arthritis.
Trained Doctor: Not vaccinating your kids is a bigger risk than vaccinating them.
Internet Mom: Can I speak to your manager?
I still can’t get over them saying “ in my research” when trying to argue w people who went to med school... which in this case does make them more knowledgeable lmao
I dont think they know what research is
Dasha UwU it’s what Betty from their Facebook group has to say LOL
Biased easy-to-read articles are not on the same level as unbiased, real science research and medical journals. Ofc I don't expect Karens to understand the scientific language used in medical journals ... Karens don't understand what the concept of actual scientific research is, their definition of research are google searches and facebook posts.... It's hard to argue with someone who is blissfully ignorant imo
"Their research" is exactly this below, ( Confirmation Bias ), because they are not looking for info that discredits their anti-vaccine belief.. they only look for info that confirms it.
Confirmation Bias
Definition: To seek out and favor evidence that confirms one’s pre-existing beliefs or views. May also include the cognitive tendency to resist or disfavor evidence that is contrary to one’s pre-existing beliefs.
Katheryn Dutchess YES THIS.
The moment real facts come out, Karen’s be like
Ima just not see that
I had a story end up in the news and it was about my autoimmune disease. Several comments on the article said I must have got my condition from vaccines. Not true, I've had the disease for years. But even if it was caused by a vaccine, I'd still choose my disease rather than an infecfious disease that also causes harm.
Yea, that pediatrician? He is on probation, and was filed for multiple counts of negligence by the Californian health board, for being anti-vax.
Do you know his name?
@@ribbon-kitten7577 Dr. Bob Sears.
Boost tf out of this ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻
Niiiiiice
Wow, that's sad. Filed just for being anti-vax?
A soccer mom telling a pediatrician that he's wrong.
*Confidence: 9000*
I think that irritates me the most. They imply my doctor promotes vaccines for the money. They don't know my doctor, he is one of the most caring people I know. He always asks how we are doing and often checks on things we have being dealing with in the past (I don't always remember and he has to remind me). It can be anything from the last thing we saw him for to something we mentioned in conversation like how our soccer season went. He isn't some nefarious snake oil salesman.
@@melanieszelong4664 Preach sister.
@@melanieszelong4664 yeah they say doctors are in it for the money meanwhile pedalling essential oils, the hypocrisy kills me
I LOVE all the comments on this thread laughing at soccer moms. We soccer moms are total dingbats, right? LOL.....and you're not being a bigoted idiot WHATSOEVER!
@@PS-qn4oz Depends on what kind of soccer mom you are. Do you tell pediatricians their decades of schooling and practice are no match for your google skills? Do you brag all over facebook about how your child only eats organic foods when nobody asked? Do you tell your children's teachers they're the bullies if they tell you your child has been acting like a brat to the other children? Do you walk into stores and restaurants wearing sunglasses, cropped pants, and a "sensible" haircut and demand to speak to the manager because they wouldn't accept your expired coupons? If so, then yes, you are a dingbat. If not, carry on, this conversation had nothing to do with you and you are getting offended for no reason.
It's kind of annoying how the two anti-vax mom's can't seem to shut up long enough to let anyone else talk, or are constantly talking over them or interrupting them, telling them they're wrong. Like if you're having a debate, and you have to constantly interrupter and talk over your opponent, and you're clearly not listening to what they have to say even though I think that the pro-vaccine people seem to be listening to the anti-vaxxer's concerns before responding to them, then your argument probably isn't as valid, and "right" as you think it is.
Jessica Lee so true
The other anti-vax person is worse. The doctor believes in a alternative vax schedule that is viewed as unsafe by the CDC. Because of this he is responsible for a massive outbreak of measles “In 2008, Sears' "intentionally undervaccinated" seven-year-old patient was identified as the index patient who started a measles epidemic in 2008, an epidemic which was the largest outbreak in San Diego since 1991. The epidemic "resulted in 839 exposed persons, 11 additional cases (all in unvaccinated children), and the hospitalization of an infant too young to be vaccinated.
That's because I already get a strong feeling that this movie is antivaxxer propaganda. Someone's cut it this way.
Kind of annoying that pro-vaccine propagandists diminish my plight. They don't know anybody with autism, they think it's how it's portrayed on TV and in movies. Not even close!
@@kedricktheheadtripMusic I know myself fairly well and I sure as **** am not this way because of vaccines. And you know what neither are you. Sorry but science is not subject to any subjective reality neither yours nor mine, and there's no scientific proof whatsoever of any link, nor even any correlation, between autism and vaccines.
I am loving this response as this shows Doctor Mike is willing to listen to people and be understanding.
That doctor that told the personal story about his daughter is the most respectable person in the whole video. He was calm and collected, and deescalated the conversation.
From what I gathered, he works in intensive care. Those doctors are perhaps some of the most calm and collected people I have seen in my entire life, second to maybe anesthetists.
I agree that he was calm and collected, but I would encourage you to watch the whole video, because several people (on both sides) worked to keep things calm throughout the stages of discussion.
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SwagUhLit hello?is this the local edgelord
Just remember to hurt yourself on that edge too much you degenerate filth of a weeb
Help, I have fallen victim of one of the many side effects of vaccines.
Adulthood.
Sir Homie Nice One LOL 😂
@Sir Homie your life is practically over
@@Nek0oo0o Are you ready for Persona 5 R?
😂🤣😂
PFFFF-
The Melissa lady has the "can I speak to your manager" haircut.
*wearing a mohawk* I am the manager.
she has crazy eyes
"As a mother..." *talks about something she has no qualifications in, but expects you to treat her like an expert*
Midnight star at least her name wasn’t Karen (my name is Karen and the amount of Karen memes are absurd)
Uh excuse me but this comment offended me, I would like to speak to your manager please.
I don’t usually comment on yt but dr mike I love watching your videos on my pharmacy break !
Please bring those vaccines to Africa, specifically Kenya. I know so many children who would really appreciate them.
That’s it! Where I live, there is no anti-vax vs pro-vax but when I see these lucky people who live in countries where they have easy access to vaccines turn their backs on them and play the victims... like so many countries and children would give anything to have their luck! It frustrates me so bad
@@Blondybeastfit agreed man. People don't understand how lucky they are unless it is taken away.
Nelson Mandela (2002 Vaccine Conference) --“Giving children a healthy start in life, no matter where they are born or the circumstances of their birth, is the moral obligation of every one of us. I find it heartbreaking that 3 million people, most of them children, die each year from diseases that we can prevent with simple, inexpensive vaccines. "
Don't Google 'free birth' you'll only get mad. These privileged Western parents have no idea how lucky they are.
@@Blondybeastfit I wish they knew how good they have it! Do they know the reason most of them are alive is because of the the same very vaccines they're denying their children!?
"In the end, parents know their children best."
Alright, Sharon, next time Timmy breaks his spine, you can just do the surgery to fix it yourself, okay?"
LOL
XD
Make sense
no need for surgery lmao. we have essential oils 😪
The example/context she gave was correct though
Alternative title: Doctor tries to explain science to mom who did internet “research”
Alternative comment: Doctors do this every day. Doctors can also be uninformed, misinformed, and/or incorrect.
earthpet yes but the thing is docters will use right sources and not google and if they find out they were misinformed they come back on their statements not the anti vax moms and their “autism caused by vaccines” statement for a start - the man who made the study apologized for it and said he was wrong
If the facts change they change their conclusions
@@elysse5983 What you are saying about doctors is how it "ideally" should work.
Most Doctors are not the objective scientists they pretend to be. The vast majority simply regurgitate what they've been taught just like those from any other profession. This doctor is clearly among the majority and needs to try harder.
"It is to be expected that advances in physiology and psychology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have even in totalitarian countries... Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
" --- 1952, Bertrand Arthur William Russell, 3rd Earl Russell (1872-1970) British Internationalist, among other things.
If you have a grasp of history, the dumbing-down that has taken place in recent decades is undeniable. Likewise the ill effects of vaccines are also undeniable if you've done good and objective homework on the subject.
Elysse you may be interested in the 9 hour testimony of Stanley Plotkin who is a consultant and vaccine developer. The whole thing is available here on TH-cam. I can’t vouch for every link to say none have been edited. Here’s a little of what he said.
Dr. Plotkin was asked by the attorney, “If you don’t know whether DTaP or Tdap cause autism, shouldn’t you wait until you do know, until you have the science to support it to then say vaccine don’t cause autism?”
Dr. Plotkin responded:
“Do I wait? No. I have to take into account the health of the child.”
The attorney then posed the question, “And so for that reason, you are okay telling the parent that DTaP, Tdap does not cause autism even though the science isn’t there yet to support that claim.”
Dr. Plotkin answered:
“Absolutely.”
I’d LOVE to see you on a panel like this Doctor Mike! 😊
"I know my kid better than someone who sees them twice a year for 10 minutes"
K Story time
When I was 16, I had something wrong with me illness-wise. My family just played it off as a fever, even though I had red spots all over my body afterwards. My family finally brought me to the doctor because I literally got kicked out of school at that point. My family and I after lots of internet searching, couldn't find anything. In the hospital, my doctor, who only sees my for 10 minutes twice a year, within 2 minutes: "You have Scarlet Fever." The doctor I see twice a year for ten minutes saved me from a potentially lethal disease that my family couldn't do anything about for days.
Three cheers for that doctor!
Wow! My brother had scarlet fever when he was little and it was really scary, and also because I had just had strep throat so I had a really high chance of getting it too and then we’re allergic to the main medicine that’s used to treat it
@@ellan1664 Do you know hat he was put on?
Let me tell you a story. I went to a doctor to get tested for Strep Throat. The doctor said I had no strep throat. Every kid who sat next to me in class got strep throat.
@Ha Ha Ha Ha I agree. Parents aren't doctors for a reason.
My son is not vaccinated but I'm not anti-vax. We dealt with a lot of medical problems with him as a newborn. When we brought up his father's serious allergies to several vaccines (he almost died due to his reactions) with my son's doctor we decided as a team to not vaccinate. I worry about this decision a lot. It was a huge struggle for us as parents. We had a baby who was already very very sick, often in the hospital, and very vulnerable. I will always remain pro-vax, despite my son's specific circumstances.
Your son's health & the child of the anti-women in this video are why I, someone who has had no adverse health affects or family history of them, will always get my vaccines!
Your children is the reason I will always vaccinate ❤ You're right not to vaccinate at that point. Do what you need to do mama bear.
Personally(And Im no doctor) as long as you teach and practice good hygiene,and don't visit and 3rd world/developing countries Im sure your son will live a healthy life.
Don't they have tests for allergies? It seems that there are many different vaccines available with different ingredients. If they test for and are aware of your son's allergies, it shouldn't be a problem figuring out which vaccines he would react to and which that he would not, right?
Obviously there's a huge risk to injecting a vaccine with unknown ingredients into a kid with unknown allergies. Probably an allergy panel should be performed on all children before they are vaccinated to avoid this situation that your son's father experienced. It seems to be the smart thing to do. And if there is no vaccine available that someone would not react to, then obviously they should not have to be exposed to that vaccine.
That’s valid, it’s exactly why others are expected to be vaccinated. I guess these anti-vaxxers don’t understand that
As someone who can't have most vaccines due to anaphylaxis, I am completely for Vaccines. Herd Immunity is the only thing that will protect me and thousands of others
Luke Hedlund 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Luke Hedlund what you just said is exactly why i don’t understand why people are anti vax just because they or their children had a reaction.
Well according to anti-vaxxers, you're not as valuable as their own kids OR consider you a lucky one since you won't catch the autism. It's an insulting notion either way. Just overly emotional hateful people.
Luke Hedlund
You're welcome!
@@adrianasantosribeiro8777 Thank You!
6:27 How was that a “disservice” to the conversation? He basically spoke to the fundamental logic behind vaccines. So is there anything that you can say to be pro-vaccine that is a service to the conversation?
she’s telling a doctor, who literally went to school to study medicinal science and who has done research about the best and safest medical treatments to help people and to prevent possibly fatal illnesses/diseases from forming, that he is wrong about the possible side effects of vaccines..
exactly ! as medical student a lot of her statements made me cringe ... I see a lot of anti-vaccine people saying they don't understand why a vaccine would be a better option ... then go study biology for a few years and you'll be able to understand perfectly !
But she did research on the internet! so of course she knows what she is talking about.... :P
@@kinagrill exactly 🙄😂
@@kinagrill Probably quotes Vaxxed as a legitimate source of information.
It's like marketers telling computer scientist they don't know how computer works
I was so mad at the woman who said that a 10-minute visit to the doctor can't make up for how well a parent knows their child... Guess what almost 10 years of education in the field of medicine make up for it when it comes to MEDICAL DECISIONS, online research isn't a medical degree and it is part of the job and responsibilities of a doctor to be able to think of what's best for each individual patient of theirs, otherwise everyone who had the same illness or symptoms would be treated the exact same so like what's even her point??
As important as education is also EXPERIENCE. Doctors see tens, hundreds, thousands of the most common cases, so yeah, a 10 min visit can be 9 too many. I'm sure she knows something because of experience, a noise in the house or a "tell" on one of her kids that she knows from experience what it means, well then add 10 years of studying and you get doctors.
Yeah, I was like "what does that even MEAN?" So every parent knows their kid well enough to be absolutely certain that it will or will not get a dangerous disease? That's beyond ridiculous.
It's not bad to look at things online so you have a basis to start the conversation with your doctor (i.e. knowing which symptoms to document). However, you should only get insistent if they are completely blowing you off. That's when it's time for a second opinion.
The internet is pretty useful. I caught onto the fact that I was deficient in vitamin b12, and that my body doesn't store it properly 3 months before my doctor did. All she did was confirm it with a blood test. You can have all the knowledge in the world, but if you don't how to relate that information to your patient or coax it out of them, it's useless.
@Kevin Prima not all doctors are pro Vaccine XD
This is what happens when Googling stuff is put on the same level as a decade of schooling and hundreds of years of medical technological progress.
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C' thulu for real though you are right, those moms sat there and told an educated doctor, of sorts I personally don’t know what kind of schooling he went though but it had to be a few years in medical at least, that he was wrong because she did her own “research” which was probably a few artical readings from biased websites, again I don’t know personally what they’ve done.
You mean this is what happens when all the information in the world is now accessible to everyone instead of just those who can afford it? And that information is finally not being presented in the way that only benefits the industry that controls that information?
The "anti-vaccine" movement was started by doctors who realized they weren't being allowed to conduct legitimate safety studies and kept getting different results than their financiers wanted.
Vaccine awareness is the result of information that comes directly from the CDC and HHS. People are taking the statistics from the official agencies that keep them and are independently conducting the studies that the industries refuse to do. This is progress and the pro-vaccine movement is trying to keep everyone in the past where we trust the industry no matter what and don't ask for any legitimate science behind it.
This is a really good point.
It’s really dangerous how easy it is to convince someone that people telling them they’re wrong means that they are right
Dr. Mike, that paediatrician Bob Sears was being very careful in sharing his opinions. He is on 35 month probation for his unsafe practices. The county he practices in is significantly less vaccinated compared to others in the area. Anti-vax parents talk about him like he's a superhero.
phEW
Oof
I heard of his name in some article about a kid falling into septic shock from an infection
I knew that guy looked familiar.
Lol I knew he was shady
Sorry but arthritis can effect any age it’s uncommon in younger years but does happen, there were several people in my secondary that had arthritis to varying degrees
Douglas Adams I have a Bachelor Degree in Science, Cell and Molecular Biology; I am a former teacher (in my home country) of Human Anatomy and Physiology as well as Chemistry. I am a former Licensed Dietitian and I also have a degree and currently practice as a Doctor of Dental Surgery. I have taken several mandatory as well as elective courses in immunology, bacteriology, virology, biochemistry, histology, microbiology, genetics and alike. I am
a former research and teaching assistant at a graduate department of Neurogenetics at one of top US universities. I have spent 22 years of my life at school 9 years of which was university level. I am sad to report that when it came to vaccines they only taught us the vaccine schedule and literally nothing in regards to mechanism of action, the types and role of adjuvants, nor adverse reactions. I trusted that vaccines are safe and effective just like you. However, for reasons irrelevant to this discussion, I did my own research namely reviewing primary research literature published in JAMA, JADA, PubMed, etc as well as CDC’s website and their own research published there and I state in confidence that the truth is hidden in plain site and there is absolutely positively no chance that after researching vaccine ingredients you could still claim vaccines are safe. No chance. And by the way, to date, I have not been able to locate a single randomized, double-blind placebo study with a statistically significant sample size that would prove safety of any single vaccine not to mention when they are administered in combination or multiplicity at one seating thus completely disregarding any possible synergistic toxicity of such adjuvants.
Don’t be a sheep and do your own research.
Martina P As much as food and teeth equates to medical degrees. I wasn’t saying there are no adverse reactions to vaccines (quite the opposite in fact). What I’m saying is in the large majority of anti- vax claims, there is no tangible proof that having the vaccines caused the reactions. Anaphylaxis and seizures of course, but there is no proof or medical studies that show a link between vaccines and autism or arthritis. Even with the worst of negative reactions caused by vaccines (and again I know they do exist) it is my personal believe that the good of vaccines greatly out way the negative (of which there are). We tend to forgot that vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands, even millions of life’s. I would rather have the adverse reactions of a few on my conscience. Than subjecting future generations to measles or mumps, or having healthy children lose cognitive function or go deaf because of meningitis.
Life is about making informed decisions, even if both sides have negatives, not just pointing fingers.
Martina P my grandma never had much education, but she saw something you have never saw: whole villages, FRIENDS, FAMILY and CHILDREN-DYING from illness in the worst possible way. You say that sometimes vaccines aren’t safe. Back before vaccines, it wasn’t sometimes, it was almost guaranteed that AT LEAST one of your kids wouldn’t make it. They would get measles one day and shrivel up in your arms and you could do nothing. You would pray, pray that god would spare your other kids, pray for any way to keep them from getting sick. Two of my grandma’s siblings died from illness. Then vaccines became available. All of her children made it. That was a miracle.
A summary please?
@@martinap2682 can you stop spaming the same text in every comment of this video? Pls?
Mike: innocently watches video
also mike: demolishes the anti-vax community
*Y O U H A V E B E E N C H O S E N T O T E L L T H E T R U T H*
It helps to be properly educated and have a high level of critical thinking.
This was not a fair or accurate representation of the vaccine-skeptical community. If it were, Dr Mike would have his backside handed to him. Ask pretty-boy Mike to host Dr Paul Thomas or Del Bigtree.. Then, you people might just learn something useful.
@@Vanessa-jy4ky and i guess you think the earth is flat no?
Santiago Yes, that’s right. Just like the majority of the other vaccine skeptics who mostly come from highly educated & high socioeconomic subgroups in the population 🙄🤦♀️.
www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-10/sydney-wealthiest-suburbs-among-lowest-vaccination-rates/9534878
You’re the first Dr I’ve ever heard that’s pro vax but also say that there are some cases where it’s dangerous to vaccinate some kids for health reasons. I wish the drs in my area had more humanity and empathy in their speech as you do. God bless you with continued guidance.
You assume the doctors you alluded to do not know what Mike does = which is a poor assumption. Any physician prescribing a vaccine will have considered any possible risks against benefits and the health history of the individual = whether they openly state this or not.
@@varyolla435 thanks!